Lose Yourself to Find Yourself

In this inspiring episode of The Breakthrough Lab, host Giovanny Ramirez sits down with Michael Rosenberg, a transformational coach and speaker who courageously left a 15+ year corporate career to pursue his true calling.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:36):
Welcome to this week's Breakthrough Lab. Your next breakthrough starts
here this week. I have a very i would say,
holistic guest, a person whose energy just matches mine. When
I look at this guy, I see me a more
handsome version of me. And he's a great guy. I've

(00:59):
got this him speak. I've got to hear his story.
And his name is Michael Rosenberg. And let me read
this bio because it's so great. I love it, and
we're going to explore everything he's done since he's made
a pivotal change in his life. So, Michael Rosenberg is
a transformational coach and speaker who helps people reconnect with

(01:23):
their purpose and live more authentically. After spending over fifteen
years in the corporate world, Michael realized that traditional success
left him unfulfilled. In twenty twenty, he made a bold
decision to leave his career, sell nearly everything, including unloading
that four one K and embarking on his four year

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journey of self discovery around the world. How many of
us are jealous that he got to do that? How cool?
Right Through his work, Michael guides individuals to embrace change,
trust their intuition, and create a life align with their
true values. His story is one of courage because I'm
not that courageous reinvention and choosing passion over fear. Michael

(02:13):
Wake up with Mike Rosenberg. Welcome to the Breakthrough Lab, brother, Giovanni.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
Thank you, man. I can hear the crowd applause.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
The crowd of is just the way that.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
You introduced me. Yeah. I need to feel bigger than
life already.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
Nice, brother, I need. I'm gonna have a button here
that does all the clapping like welcome, Welcome, Mike, welcome.
How's your trip here? Brother?

Speaker 2 (02:36):
Thank you so good, so good. I've been watching your
podcast for a while and I always had the thought,
I'm like, I would love to get in the chair
with Giovanni because I feel the same way. We have
such a similar vibe and energy, and any time we
meet it's just it's easy, and it's it's just up there.
So yeah, yeah, man, it feels great to be here.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
Yeah, we're going to create together. Brother. I know it,
I feel it. I know the universe is uniting us
for a reason. So magical things are happening, bro. For sure,
I'll get a high five before the whole podcast starts.
So Mike, my brother, your job sucked, Your job sucked.
What happened though, man? What happened for this pardal moment

(03:18):
where you you know you made such a big change
in your life.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Yeah, it feels good just to say that my job sucked. Okay,
and and it wasn't look it wasn't all terrible. Right.
We have many peaks and valleys in everything that we do.
But even even just feeling the yeah, the the brunt
of that. Right. I was not happy where I was
for a very long time, and that was the fire

(03:45):
for my transformation. So essentially I was the guy that
never knew what he wanted to do when he grew up.
I don't think I'm the only one. There's probably a
lot of people watching that still don't know what they
want to do, including myself sometimes. But I was always
looking for that that that self value, that purpose. Where
can I plug into life? Where where do I fit?
Where can I be passionate about something? And it always

(04:07):
seemed just out of reach. So I was going about
different jobs for about fifteen years, mostly all in traditional
business to business sales, and I learned a lot about myself,
mostly that sales is not for me. I suffered a
lot through that career. I think it just wasn't aligned
with my personality, my values, my energy. But I didn't

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know what else to do. I chose sales out of
narrowing things down that I thought were options based on
the degree I graduated with and what the world made
available to me. And I just said, how can I
make the most money and how can I feel important
and how can I create success? Not even really knowing

(04:52):
what that was, but just what the world in society
had showed me.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
Yeah. Wow, So, yeah, a career in sales. I mean, like,
sales isn't for everyone, you know, And so fifteen years
in the game of sales, that's a long time, man.
So you kudos to you for having the chutzpah, as
they would say, to to take a career in sales
and grow it for that long. And yeah, it's I

(05:18):
almost it's so interesting because that as a career coach,
it's amazing that you were in sales, because you don't
give me that salesy vibes. Right, So tell me how
did sales fall on your lap?

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Right?

Speaker 1 (05:30):
Like, was it like one of the first jobs you
got or was it more like, hey, I got this
degree and and so this might be the next step
or maybe what were it like, Hey, sales has almost
no top and I can make some real cash here.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
Yeah. Man, it was. It was a blend of everything
that you're saying. It's interesting you say I don't come
across sales e. I think that's part of what fell
off within me during that career, is that I saw
a lot of salesiness around me and it just didn't
vibe with me. But essentially, I was living in la
because I secretly wanted to be an actor. I never
told anybody that.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
So I went out there a couple of years to
work with talent agents, to be close to the talents,
and I'm like, oh, I'll work my way in somehow.
I never did that. I burned out in that business.
I was like, these people are crazy and just stressed
and I just don't want it. And I met somebody
at the time was like, hey, I know you want
to get out of this career. And he owned a

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company where we sold luxury showerheads around the country at
home shows, and he invited me into that. It was
like two thousand and eight and I did that for
a year while the economy was going down transitioned from
la to Florida just because I knew a friend there,
and it was because I didn't know what else to
look for. I was an English major in college and
I didn't even I was a horrible speller, horrible at grammar.

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I just did it to get out in four years.
So I never had this thing like, ah, I want
to do that, Ah, I want to go after that.
My dad was in sales, Like you said, you can
make a lot of money and there's no cap that's
the sell on sales. So I was like, this just
seems kind of like the natural path to take and
the only one I could get into with the resume

(07:09):
that I have.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
Yeah, wow, it's do you think that you know, like
the previous generation doesn't definitely influences a lot of our
decision making, So do you think that you know, like,
if you're a doctor, there's a great chance of your
son or daughter might become a doctor, right, So do
you think that that you just felt that that door

(07:30):
was open for you to become a salesperson. If your
dad that was his career of choice as well.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
Well. The interesting thing about that is I didn't think
about this until after the fact, Like a few years in,
I was like, you know what, my dad was in sales,
and so am I how did I end up here?
So I think it was more a subconscious thing that
but I say that it's like, not just a subconscious thing.
Those kind of things are in our programming and I

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probably did choose it from that aspect as well without
even fully knowing it.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
Yeah. Yeah, it's it's interesting how our psyche develops, like
permission structures, but based on what we see not I
don't know. Maybe your dad never pushed you into sales,
didn't know, but because your dad had that, there was
probably a door wide open for you. And you're like, oh,
if he did it, I could do it too, right. Yeah,
So it's interesting. So if your dad had been a doctor,

(08:24):
be a doctor, Mike, Yeah, doctor Mike.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
Maybe maybe burnt out for being a doctor. Maybe you'll
travel the world.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
Yeah, still traveling the world then for more money though
with more money yeah, yeah, it depends how much you
spend all that money out there traveling. So cool, man,
So you're in this career, you're not feeling satisfied. I mean,
I want to know about the moment. Okay, So we're
in the breakthrough lab right, So was it one day?

(08:53):
Was it a week? What was that moment for you
where you set enough and and was it immediately enough?
And I'm going to travel the world and I'm going
to figure out how I'm going to finance this thing.
So like, walk me through that process for someone that's
on the fence, right, for someone who's like feeling like you,

(09:14):
who's like I need something, I need to do something
drastic change right, maybe you could give them that extra
push to be that adventure that you have become, right,
So walk me through that process so unique.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
I'm going to try to keep it cliff notes because
there's multiple things. There's two major cornerstone points, turning points
that I could mention. Overall, it was many months years
of burning out and that definition of insanity doing the
same thing again expecting different results.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
So I kept trying to prove myself in this industry
that's very results driven, reward driven. So when you sold,
it was like you're up here, and then the next
week you're at zero, and if you're not selling, you
feel like you're going to lose your job. So this
much of an emotional roller coaster ride after so long
and still feeling like I wasn't great at it was
taking a toll on my stress. I was depressed. I

(10:09):
was just consumed my life, my dreams, you know. And
it's just like I was always looking for a light
at the end of the tunnel. The main advice that
I would give to someone right off the bat that
I found that if I could save myself time, was
that the move that you're looking for is not going
to come and find you and save you. Necessarily, you

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have to be the one to go and get it.
And what I learned later down the line is that
when you do that, when you go and you meet
your life, the universe where it's at and energetically say
I'm ready for something new, let's go, that's when the
doors meet you and open. Now. I stayed for ten
eleven years there just being like one day it'll happen.

(10:55):
So I got two moments, let's say, can I share
them both?

Speaker 1 (10:58):
Yeah? I mean, like, this is your stage. I'm just here,
you know, letting the universe hear you a beautiful story.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
Yeah all right, it sounds good. Sounds good. Many moments
of burnout, many moments of debt, many moments of knocking
my head against the wall. The harder I worked, the
less it was working out for me.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
Oh my god. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
And so I was my third year anniversary to the
day into this company, a company was called Sintas, actually
a really good company. I was finally making good money.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
There's a great company. Yeah yeah, Oh, you were crushing
it there, I know it. It was a great company.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
Not as much as I hoped I would at first.
It took me a while. When I left, I was
crushing it, yea. But for like the whole career before,
I was not.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
Crushing Ah, you've seen it for a long time and
you're a harvesting But this is this.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
Is an important point you bring up because I want
to share why I started doing well at that point
when I left, and I'll come right around to that.
But this third year anniversary to the day, I'm had
one of those horrible days where I can't even get
myself out of the car and I was given a
referral to go to a restaurant to sell them rental
services for the hygiene products, chemicals, things like that. It

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was an Indian restaurant and they were just opening and
you know, in sales you kind of know if something's
a good fit. And I had this negative mentality. I'm like,
this isn't going to be a good fit. This is
going to be a waste of time. I go into
the restaurant. It's under construction. The owner's talking to all
the contractors. She puts me aside in the corner for
a while. I'm just like in my stuff, like in

(12:25):
a bad mood. Finally she calls me over, you know,
and you're just I'm just like, nothing's working today. She
starts explaining to me in the process of what the
restaurant is about, how it's influenced by India and her
travels there, and all of the special things about India
and the ways that they wanted to bring to the
restaurant culturally to make it's special. And as I'm hearing

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her story about India, she's talking about this pilgrimage that
she went up called Mount Jimu. It's like this mountain
in the high corner of India near Pakistan, and it's
one of these holiest spots in the world. And I
started leaning in on the edge of my chair and
I started getting tingles all over my body. And this
was when I'm my first really like mystical experiences because

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energetically something switched. I lost sight of selling hygiene products.
And just the week before one of my best friends
and I were set to go to Thailand together. We
were going to talk about it this week and confirm it.
I still haven't heard from this guy to this day.
So it's like this opening open. I'm talking to her
and I'm like, she goes, you only go to this

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mountain if you're called, and I leaned in and I said,
how do you know if you're called? And she leans
back in as she goes, sweetheart, you already have been oh.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
Yes. Wow.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
For me, this moment was the moment of just recognizing
the energy of passion and excitement, like I've always wanted
to take a solo spiritual trip versus trying to make
this career of work forever and never feeling that energy.
That led me to go to India the next month
for ten days because that's all I could get off

(14:08):
from work with no hotel reservation, just a backpack and
I played survival. So that was a crazy trip on
its own. I got the other moment. I could either
pause or I could share with you the other moment.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
Let me away. I want to describe the tingles to me. Yeah,
I describe that feeling so that a person out there,
when they meet that moment, when they meet the calling,
they can recognize that feeling. Describe that for.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
The listener, good point. It's like everything kind of slowed down,
And for me it was a warmth and a tinglelyiness
that came into my body. And the most simple way
to put it, everybody, I feel has experienced this, whether
you think you're spiritual or you can have these experiences
or not, Everyone's had at least one moment where your

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attention you just lose your attention on everything around you
because you're you're so hooked in and lost in let's
say the storytelling of another or something that you're interested in,
right like, I want to know more about that. That
sounds intriguing. So it's like the rest of the world
faded out behind me. But for me, I literally felt

(15:17):
an energy in my body going voom, voom voom. And
just like you said, you had tingles on your skin
and the goosebumps. Those are telltale signs, like I just
got to shiver right now as I'm talking. That's a yes.
That's your soul knocking inside saying, follow that feeling. There's
something happening in your reality for you to pay attention to.

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Whether you think it makes sense or not. It's calling
to you.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
Man, that's so beautiful. Let me actually just leave the
audience with that. Guys, Like, honestly, that was a master
class for Mike. Herea we're waking up with Mike. Oh
my god, not even morning time. We had coffee. We're
waking up in the evening right now. And I really
do feel like, really pay attention to what Mike said,

(16:02):
because you know you're gonna whether you feel stuck in life,
whether you whether you just feel like you need to
transform or change, like either the moments the fork in
the roads where you're gonna you're gonna want to make
some good decisions. So identify that call that feeling that tingle,

(16:22):
and I don't know, I think that's gonna be something
there for you. But I want to hang out in
India right now with my boy Mike. So before we
go into the second one, tell us about India because
that must have been like without your first time offshore
in another country.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
I had been to other places, but not in this way.
This trip changed the trajectory of my life. And I
feel I was walking into one door in the restaurant
thinking it was the wrong door, and really I was
walking into the door of my next life. And uh yeah,
because corporate, right, you can only sometimes get a little

(16:59):
time off a week. Two weeks. I had this guy
who wanted to play survival inside, like I always just
wanted to see how I would do on a desert island.
One of those guys. So she inspired me to go
to India. I book the trip by myself. I'm like,
you know what, I'm just going with a backpack, no hotel,
and it was a little bit of a test of faith.
I'm like, God's going to guide me whatever I think

(17:20):
God is at that time. I get to India nine
am in the morning, and it was the most turbulent
day of my entire life. I had never the culture
shock alone walking out of that airport, seeing cows in
the street, traffic that is so loud, it's just overstimulating.
You don't know where you are. I get in a car,

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I'm like, in a taxi, I'm like, take me to
the nicest hotel. Because I was immediately scared they take
me down to the corner that looks like a slum
in New York City or something. If you haven't experienced
Indian culture at all. It's beautiful, but it's also it's raw.
It's very raw. At the same time, I can really
shock you. And I'm seeing people walking around with no

(18:03):
shoes that look homeless, and it doesn't look safe, and
I'm like, no, not here. Take me to a train
station because I didn't know where I was going to go.
I had no plan. I'm like, I'm gonna go to
Mount Jamou, right, yeah, I go to the guy drops
me off at what's the train station. It's a hut
in the middle of nowhere, just a little wooden hut.
Can't read anything, don't know where I am. And for

(18:23):
the first time in my life, I don't know if
I can curse or not here, but I'll do.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
If you need to drop one, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
It's the first time in my life where I had
a true oh shit moment, and I thought I made
a big mistake. How could I have come here with
no plan. I thought I was going to be rob
I thought I was unsafe. People were shoving me around.
I couldn't read anything, I didn't know which way the
train was going or where it was going. This taxi
driver comes out of nowhere and saves me. He draws

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me around for a few hours and he's telling me, like,
where do you want to go? And I say this
Mount Jamu. He's like, I wouldn't go up there. You know.
He just happens to speak enough English. He said, that's
a very dangerous ride on that train. And it's like
twenty hours. Where else do you want to go? I'm like,
I don't know. At the time, I was following a
girl on Instagram, random person who had ten thousand followers,
who was in India and she was in this place

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called Rishikesh and it was like this was beautiful. So
last minute I'm like Rishikesh. I end up on this crazy,
broken down bus, no windows, seven hours north, preachers coming on,
kids screaming like just like I wanted to just go
to sleep in a dark corner on this bus. The
guy lets me out at the end of the night,
and I'm just giving you the cliff notes too. This

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was a rocky den.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
Oh no, this is amazing.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
Brother, Like midnight, I'm the last person on the bus.
He drops me off in the middle of nowhere, in
the dark. And again I'm like, what am I gonna do.
I'm like, dude, I don't even see a light around me.
I got in at nine am. I start walking, walking,
walking around the corner. It's like in all glory, one light.
That's one hotel. It was a guy and his sons

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that ran it. I was the only person that stayed there.
They took me in. I woke up the next morning.
They just happened to have Wi Fi. I'm like, let
me try to shoot this girl a message. Never spoken
to her before, lots of followers. I'm like, hey, I'm
in India. I'm trying to reach Rishikesh. They say, I'm here.
It doesn't look like this. She actually gets right back
to me and says, no, you got to go around
this road down here into the town. I take a

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rickshaw around and then I get into beautiful Rishikesh.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
And at that point, I'm like, I'm staying here for
ten days. I'm not moving. Let's just begin so with India.
To wrap that up. I thought I was going to
go meditate on a mountain and become spiritual. I got
my butt kicked. I got every fear in me tested.
I got the worst food poisoning of my life on

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the last day and came home with it. And I
just want to end this last point. Once I came
back from that trip, I was meditating in my living
room and I fell asleep and I had a dream
and for the first time of my life, the dream,
the dream took me back to India and I was little.
Kids were kicking a ball around. I was sitting right there.
Something physically went into my heart and the dream that

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felt like a love, like a warm, peaceful feeling physically
right in the center of my chest. And I woke
up and the feeling was still there. So for me,
India planted a seed in me that number one, everything
I want to do is possible if I made it
through that Number two, I think it opened me spiritually.
And number three, it just planted that travel seed in

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me that would later have me travel the world.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
Wow, I can't even begin to unpack everything there, the
spiritual journy. You never made it to Mount Mount Jammu.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
We got one day.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
Did you go to Mount Oh my god, dude, something's
there for you, man. But I think you're building up
to that, you know, I've never thought about it. Yeah,
there's probably it's like a video game. Many you're building
up to Mount Jammu, something there for you. So but
but you're going to refeel the calling again.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
And I've always wanted to return, So maybe.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
That's yeah, Mount Jimmu. Man. Wow, if I once, if
I if I see wake up with Mike at Instagram
and I see you on a mountain, I might know
what mountain you're on now from now on.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
It might take you with me. Man, it might take you.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
Ooh, there we go Mount Jamu with Giovanni and wake
up with Mike. Sounds like a radio station, right, wake
up with Mike in the morning. So cool, brother, So
we're so. India was a tremendous experience. Every fear that
you've ever probably that you've never confronted because you were

(22:31):
kind of just doing life but maybe not purposely doing life, right.
It's kind of whatever fell on your lap. It's what
you did. Oh, I have a friend in Florida. You said, oh,
come to Florida. Maybe, so you go to Florida. Oh okay,
no problem, or this job opens up it sounds okay,
let me give that a shout, right, So it sounds

(22:52):
like you're just doing life, but not like taking action
in life, right, Like, is that is that an accurate representation?

Speaker 2 (23:00):
Yeah? I actually, man, I got the chills this whole conversation.
But something just came across me when you said you
weren't purposefully doing life. And what's funny is sometimes I'm
still looking for the words to put to my story,
right because I know what it is and the themes,
but purpose is at the core of it, and that's
just it. I wasn't living purposely because I didn't even

(23:22):
know what that meant or how to start. So it
was always just this guess at what I could grab
on to outside that would get me really to All
I wanted to feel was peace and passion and fulfillment
inside that most of us want to feel.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And you know, you and I are
very spiritual beings. You know, we're living the galactic quantum
realm in some areas of life. And you know, if
you ask me, you were calling, you were calling for
that awakening, like in the middle of the night or
maybe crawling into bed putting the bat sheets over. Maybe

(23:57):
you were like, this is this all? Is this all
there is? And somebody heard that, and they're like, oh no,
there's more like.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
How nap down the rabbit hole you want to go?

Speaker 1 (24:10):
Oh, we can go, we can go deep. Man, you
know we might never come back, preferably, So beautiful journey
had not heard this facet of your life yet, so
I'm not. One of my favorite things is to interview
people I know and get to discover them and rediscover
people at the same time. So that's the moment you

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discover the feeling of love. You had a breakthrough, and
you confronted fears you've never had before, and and you
stayed in this beautiful city in India. What was like
one or two more takeaways from that trip, because I
feel like, you know, you face so many fears, like
did you put some to rest? You feel that that

(24:53):
created the person you are today?

Speaker 2 (24:55):
Yeah, that's a great question. One of my biggest takeaways
is that spirituality is not just feeling enlightened or having
it be all good, you know, and or just even
what I thought it was at that time. I don't
even fully remember. India showed me the totality of the

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full experience of life, the highs, the lows, the moments
you want to pull your hair out and you think
you're gonna die and it's not gonna work, and the
moments where you're like, oh my god, it worked all
inside a one small pocket of time. So looking back,
it was like a microcosm of what life is, and
I saw how each moment had added value to me,

(25:39):
whether that was overcoming a fear or just doing something
I've always wanted to do. A month ago, I was like,
I've always wanted to take a solo spiritual trip and
find out even what that meant and where it would
lead me. And a month later, I'm like, wow, I'm here.
So it was like a drop into my soul saying like,

(26:01):
good job, Mike. You actually went after this huge thing
that didn't even feel possible and you did it. So
what else can you do?

Speaker 1 (26:09):
Yeah? That's so beautiful, man, so beautiful.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
Yeah. Just last thing that's coming to mind is like,
I feel like, in life, as spiritually tapped in as
we want to be or whatever, we need evidence to
show ourselves of what were possible so we can be
that version of ourselves that we want to be. And
I just realized India gave me the evidence that it's
possible I can do that. And I can build on that.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
That's gorgeous. Man, what a beautiful lesson and what a
beautiful calling you had. And thank god, I mean, this
person stepped into your life when you were in a
funk and a couple of words, a couple key words,
and you know something woke up. Mike woke up.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
Mike woke up.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
Now we wake up with Mike.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
We wake up with Mike.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
So cool. So let's get into that second juicy nugget
you want to share with us, because I'm excited now,
Like you already drop bombs on this right, it's amazing,
you know, knowledge and experiences. But like, yeah, number two
sounds like it's going to be even juicier. Well, let's
tender me.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
Let's see. Yeah, I get excited just telling these stories
because because they bring me back. So I mean, I
even appreciate you really asking that there was another pivotal
cornerstone moment that sent me traveling for real. And India
was like twenty sixteen in the beginning. Okay, So over
the next years, I was just partaking in all new practices,

(27:38):
right like reiki and breathwork and meditation and transformational work
and new friend groups, all these things that came into
my life that we're adding to the awakening that were
showing me. On one hand, ah, I'm I'm rediscovering passion
in my life through engaging with what I'm intrigued by,
what my highest excitement is. While I knew this other

(27:59):
world of corporate for me, nothing against corporate, but for
me it was like that was dying and I felt that,
but I still needed a nudge of like where was
I going and what was I doing next? I mean,
I was in Peru in twenty eighteen ayahuasca experience that
added to kind of the awareness of it all. But
the main thing twenty twenty, I get invited to go

(28:21):
on an excursion swimming with wild dolphins in the Bahamas.
I was invited on the same trip two years ago
and we got We got washed out by a hurricane
on the first day. We had to fly back, lost
the whole trip. I was devastated. So my friend last
Minute's like, hey, there's another opening on this trip. You
want to calm I was like, I don't know. I
got work, I don't know if I should all that stuff.
I'm like, all right, let's go follow your yes, Mike.

(28:44):
It feels good, let's do it.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
Okay, Okay, So I go.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
In this trip and dude, I mean they would bring
you out in the ocean seven days straight and you
would track wild dolphins and once you found them, they'd
be like getting get in. You jump in the water
and you just have dozens of wild doll dolphins swimming
around you, just like floating eye to eye this close.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
You're in scuba gear or you're one of those cages,
or you're just swimming with.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
Them snorkel fins and a snorkel. So you're on the
surface of the water. But we could dive down if
we wanted to go fifty sixty feet and give that
a shot. You're still by yourself, like you're in a group,
and you watch these creatures swim under you, around you,
talk to you, wave at you. You're in their pod.

(29:28):
And dolphins are one of the highest conscious creatures on
the planet. Yeah. Yeah, And I've always had an affinity
for dolphins, a big Miami Dolphins football fan. And I
laugh at that, but there is truth to the symbols
that show up in our life and how they're guiding
us on our path. So yes, I might have been
a football Dolphins player. But dolphins showing up in my
life this way was another guide for me to follow

(29:52):
because they're guiding me somewhere.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
By the way. Let me interrupt that a little bit,
like you got dolphin energy, brother.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
You got dolphin energy that is like your spirit animal brother,
Like there's there's a reason why the pattern of the
dolphin came in and and your interaction with the dolphin,
because like I see it, like you just like metaphysically
transformed into like this amazing like great dolphin. You know,
like that's transfers through you know.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
Do you know what I think it is? Bro? Dolphins
represent play? Yeah yeah, And I lost play and fun
in my life for so long. I was in the
dark as many of us are. And play is now
just my main value, almost a staple. If it's not
fun and I can't play like the kid inside me,

(30:43):
it doesn't work. The dolphins, I believe, reinstilled that in
me at like time.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
Re encoded, re encoded.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Baby. So I come back to the shore after this
experience and I'm just looking out at the horizon, sitting
next to one of my best friends, and I'm just
I break into years and for me, I call this
a moment of divine informent, divine interventions. Something just came
over my heart so strongly that it was this joy

(31:10):
and passion pouring out of me. And I'm like, I
want more of this feeling in my life. I want
to see more horizons like the one I'm looking at.
Why have I not allowed myself to do that? And
what makes me think I can't do it? I looked
at my friend and I said, Lisa, I'm done. I'm
not going back to corporate. I said, I don't know
how I'm going to do it, but I'm going to
travel the world. And it took about a year I

(31:33):
went back. I gauged if that feeling got stronger or
if it went away, and it just got stronger and stronger,
and it set me on this path for preparing and
selling everything and selling off the four O one K
and all the things, till a year later I made
the leap and just booked a one way ticket.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
Got it? Got it?

Speaker 2 (31:51):
So?

Speaker 1 (31:51):
How So there's there's life, and there's you're living your life,
and then there's the family pressures right of your parents
that's saying, hey, Mike, what's up with you?

Speaker 2 (32:06):
Right?

Speaker 1 (32:07):
Like, what are you doing with your life, right, did
you have any of those pressures or were your parents
or with your family supportive of this, this this canonical
journey that you decided to embark on, you know, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
Yeah, this is this is an important point and I
feel I was blessed to always have a very supportive family.
I can't say they always understood what I was doing,
and I could feel that at times, even when they
were like, yeah, go for your dreams, but you know,
my dad's like, how are you gonna make money? How
are you gonna make money? You know, and it's it
kind of comes back to that they really supported me

(32:43):
and they do to this day. And a lot of
even friends and things like that, were very inspired by
what I was doing. At the same time, I think
it wasn't always verbalized to me, but I think a
lot of people thought like, what what he's crazy? What's
he doing? That doesn't make any sense. I caught it
a little bit here and there, but the the excitement

(33:05):
of the potential of who I would find myself to
be in that journey was stronger than all of it.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
Yeah. So for one k boom, money's in the bank now, right?

Speaker 2 (33:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (33:16):
And how now I do want to know. Actually, after
you came back from India, right, and even that year
after the dolphin experience, right, Like, how was going back
to work? Like what was your experience? What were the feelings,
because like, now you have this thing that's growing inside

(33:39):
of you, and I can imagine that's that's frustrating or
that's I don't know, it's it's probably not the best
feeling that you're going back to this mundane lifestyle and
also sales, which tends to be aggressive and and uh,
you know sometimes you gotta tell white lies and you
got to play the game, right, How did how did
it feel? Because you were still with scene times at

(34:01):
the time.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
Yeah, I'm glad you asked this question because it brings
me back around at the point I wanted to make
before how I started doing well at sales at the end,
you could call it, you know, I was. I left
when I was thirty seven, and I started doing personal
development work and spiritual introspection work when I was about thirty.
So during this time, it was like all the practices

(34:22):
of turning and looking within and working with my fears
and my shadows and the things I didn't like about
myself and learning to love myself and the whole nine.
The more I did that, the more capacity it opened
up for life to just flow where I didn't feel
like I was gripping and trying to steer it so hard.
And what's wild is that I started becoming so disinterested

(34:47):
in my job that I stopped working almost half as much,
and I was literally sneaking off to like reiki classes
and to work with like spiritual teachers who were helping
me with my energy, and going to friends events and
stuff during work hours that I was almost like hiding
my phone from my boss, and I was like, how
long can I keep this up? And deals just started

(35:10):
falling in my lap out of the blue. And this
was the evidence for me through everything I had been
reading and learning that when we follow our spiritual nature,
we know what that is. It's just everyone's got to
kind of uncover it and feel what that is. You
go inward, you work on yourself, you do all those
right things, the rest starts to just attract to you,

(35:33):
gravitate towards the vibe that you're giving off inside. So
it's like I used to work twice as much, banging
my head against the wall, not making much money. By
time I left my sales job, I was the number
one rep regionally on my sales team, working half as much.
And I could have said, oh, I'll stay here for
the money, but no, I knew that everything had been

(35:55):
building to this direction. So it was just like I
knew a move had to be made, and this one
was just glaring me in the face. And one more
thing I'll say is after I left, I went to Sedona,
Arizona one way ticket. Two weeks into my travels, I
found out my entire division of my company got laid
off nationwide. They closed the division, and I was like, yo,

(36:16):
if that's not divine guidance right on time, that I'm
making the right choices, following the breadcrumb trail rather than
clinging to fear and money in the old things like
than what is? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (36:28):
Yeah, Well, as a career coach, I love that because
now you can just say, if you ever want to
go back, you'd be like, hey, the division got closed down,
doesn't say you quit or anything. So now you have
an excuse.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
You're hilarious. You're hilarious. I'm coming to you for career strategy.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
Strategy. Yeah, so cool, man, man, what a beautiful journey, Mike, Like, honestly,
I just I before we continue, I want to honor
what you've done. It's actually my eyes are watering a
little bit here because you know, we truly have this
one life, right, it's and it's it's a glorious life.

(37:05):
And we go through our ups and downs where we
feel we may feel lost, depressed, not knowing what we're doing.
But not everybody does what you do, and there are
many souls on this planet that never will. And so
I honor your journey and your chitspah to make that
make those decisions. And you know, money isn't everything. Time

(37:31):
is everything because we don't know how much we have
of it, and it's a made up concept that we
can understand the world, right, But I do want to
honor that incredible journey that you've you've had and it's
not even done yet, like there's still so much magic
to happen. So yeah, thank you for inspiring all of
us and inspire me, like I'm going to look for

(37:52):
little more adventures and I trust me, I've been on
adventures and I want I'm going to look for more.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
Man.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
Thank you, Yeah, thank.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
You for that acknowledgement. And you know, I also want
to add for anybody who's listening, who's thinking, how do
I relate to this, because a lot of people can't
do something like that, Like not everyone can drop everything
and go travel the world. People have families, they do
have careers, they're invested in, they do have, you know,
aspects of life that are very valuable to them, and

(38:19):
they might be asking, but what do I do or
how do I get started? Or how can I feel better?
What I'm speaking of are concepts that applies to everybody,
these little nuggets about just going inward and like following
your emotional state and what lights you up and all
the things can be done no matter what the situation is.

(38:41):
You don't need to travel the world to find yourself.
But the things that you might think are out of
your reach are probably more in your reach than you
might believe.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
Yeah, it's so true. And I would add to that
that the universe will take care of you. God will
take care of you, And at least in my life
it's been shown multiple times. And just hearing your journey that,
I mean, who's this random instagrammer that had so many
followers and you said, hey, I need to get to

(39:12):
X and like, gay, sure, I'll proply to you. This
one stranger that's reaching out to me. So very cool,
very cool, And you've been taken care of and you
will continue to Yeah. So if you're on the fence, guys, honestly,
like this is a nice little push from Geo and
Mike that hey, you may need to wake up, sweet brother. Yeah,

(39:34):
so you leave your job. Let's talk about the journey
around the world, Like how many countries? What was your
favorite place? Actually, no, I want to go back, okay,
because you did a lot of work before you made
these trips. There's a reiki energy work, Like, tell me

(39:55):
about these modalities that you explored and what did you
want keam of it? Because you know, something happened, you know,
if you believe in chakras and that alignment, something happened
for Mike who struggled in sales to be number one
in the in the division, right, And so what do
you think what modality do you think impacted you the

(40:18):
most that you were able to make a few shifts there.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
Yeah, there there was many things that played a part
combined overall though I was I know this now, I
was cleaning myself. And what's funny is my job position
at that time was called the deep clean Specialist. I
was cleaning floors for carpet and tylers for the job

(40:42):
I went for. But like symbolically, that's what was happening.
And really life is is about being in touch with
God or whatever you call the higher power, not creating
life from the brain. And yes there's manifestation techniques and
be intentional in all that, but it's really surrendering and
letting go of who we think we are and what

(41:03):
we think we need to control in our lives. And
I was letting go of control all that time for
this new energy, my natural energy, to fill me and
to be to come come alive again. So all these things,
I don't know that I can name one more than others.
Actually I can, and some people will look the plant

(41:27):
medicine for me. Oh okay, psychedelic plant medicine. In twenty sixteen,
I began working with psilocybin, but it was also with
you have breath work and meditation and transformational trainings that
had you look at yourself and your blind spots, every
little thing, even just new friends that supported me in
a new way, aligning with people that we had similar

(41:50):
values and we cared about similar things, and they uplifted
me without me having to do anything. Everything played this
little part in just elevate me and holding me high.
And I think that that was really the key of
it all. And it's like, that's what we're doing on
that path is building energy within and then the game

(42:11):
starts to become more of an attraction game and less
about figuring it out from your mind. So it was
a little bit out of time, and yeah, it just
just happened.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
Yeah, wild man, it's amazing. It's amazing that you had
this intuition that you like, let me seek, let me,
let me take action on this feeling, right, because you
could have said, okay, like maybe there's something here. And
I think before you were like just kind of waiting
for life to unfold. Yeah, but you you took the

(42:41):
steps so life would unfold for you. Yes, almost like
you taking the hand of this unfolded orogambi paper and
you yourself were like, let me unfold this side, Let
me unfold this side, giving you the bigger picture. Yeah,
create that newer version of you.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
I love that because yeah, that's it's like our life
is a puzzle, and our soul has every piece to it,
but our person can't see it. So it is this
piecing everything together, one piece at a time in the unknown,
because that's where we find ourselves. So for me, the
main thing that worked for me was my willingness. If

(43:24):
you're willing makes it able. The pain of where I
was was so much that I wanted to find something
that felt good so badly, and that's what allowed me
to follow my yes, my yes being you know what
this feels like. I want to look into this, even
if it scares me or it feels weird or it's
like maybe not for me, yes, yes, yes, yes, And

(43:47):
I didn't know where all of it was leading, but
it's like it was like stitching together this map that
I could only see a bit at a time, and
each thing built upon the other. I think where a
lot of people get kind to cut off is they
cut themselves off at the door and just kind of say, well,
that doesn't really fit into my beliefs or my psyche
or my world. How can you expect your world to

(44:10):
change if you don't go peek in some new places
and try some new things.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Now it's so cool, so cool, Mike,
I love it. Yeah, what a beautiful journey, you know,
almost a journey that I I'm on too, as I
as I dive deeper into gifts that I've been given
over the past ten years. So it's beautiful to see
where you've gone and and then that has led you

(44:37):
to travel now across the world. As you started your
travel journey, did you did you have a mental map
from a spiritual point of view or was it kind
of like, hey, I'm taking this dart boom boom boom,
you know, here here here, or was there like a

(44:57):
you know, a rhyme or reason for the countries you
decided to go to.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
Yeah, yeah, the whole thing. Kind of liked the dart,
but it was it was a test of faith. It
was a test of the unseen with no plan. And
you touched on this before you said, you know you're
seeking something, and there's this roomy quote right what you
seek is seeking you. And I deeply believed that that
if I kept seeking, even if I didn't know what

(45:21):
it was, it was like I knew there was something
out there, and I knew I was moving closer to it,
but I couldn't define what it was I just pulled
to keep going. So I wrote a letter to the
universe or God at that time, and I said, I
want to fully know what you are. I'm giving my
life to you. I'm going all in into the unknown.

(45:41):
Guide me on this travel journey, turn me inside out.
Please bring in every resource, person, guide, teacher, geographic location,
everything I'm going to need for this journey. And on
the other side of it, please reveal to me my
life's purpose, my calling, what I'm supposed to be doing.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
This is something you said.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
I read it out loud on my first Youtubepea. I
made a YouTube channel to start because I thought I
was going to be of logger and monetize myself and
it didn't work out. I just made videos for fun.
I wrote this letter out that's something, filmed it and
I read it out loud, and I was like, and
so it is.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
Yeah, yeah, I love that because you you were determined
to create something very purposely for you out of this experience,
not let it be to waste. You know, so many
people travel the world for just for the sake of traveling,
maybe an experience, but there was a very core sense

(46:37):
of I want to know who I am and I
want to understand what I came here for.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
Yes, yes, And I had a little philosophy at the
time based off the little spiritual knowledge I had. I'm like,
I know we're vibrational creatures. I know we're just energy.
And I've had this proof in my career of the
higher I vibrate, the better I feel, the more space
I create within, the better life that's attracted to me.
So I said, if I want to find out what

(47:05):
my purpose is, I would think that how can I
get myself into the highest vibrational state where I'm enjoying
myself and allow that to come in. And I said,
that's traveling. And so anyway I started, and I was
just drawn to the idea of different places on the
planet being energetically strong or extra powerful or a tune.

(47:29):
They talk of these portals that change you energetically, portals
that have a lot of ancestral medicine in them. So
I said, I want to go to energy spots. And
I was like, I don't know, Maybe I'll start in Sedona, Arizona.
I always heard about that place. At the same time
that I declared, I was like, two years of travel,
let's see if I can make it. Take out all

(47:51):
my money and we'll go to energy spots. I had
a spiritual teacher I was working with with the plant
medicine at the time. She came to me like two
weeks later, she's like, Mike, I'm creating a mystery school.
These are old schools back thousands of years that all
the masters would go through to learn about universal wisdom
and bring it back to humanity and help all the stages, right,

(48:12):
all those kind of people. She's like, We're going to
do a modern day one online. We're going to learn
about different occult wisdom every couple of weeks through a class,
but we're going to travel over the span of two
and a half years to four very strong places on
the planet and do activations within us to turn our
soul on our DNA. Wow. And I'm like, yo, I
wanted this is exactly what I wanted to do. So

(48:34):
it gave me this infrastructure. I met up with the
group and traveled in between. But so cool. Synchronicity, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
For sure, for sure. Alignment, alignment, alignment, grid work, you
name it. Everything that you needed to happen in your
life had come to be, and it came out of
these declarations that you were making. Yeah, what a beautiful
shift in life.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
Man, you know, thank you.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
Move. My heart is like my heart chocolate has exploding
right now. I love it.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
Yeah. Well you're reflecting back really like, well, what was
going on? Like the alignment? Yeah, you named it. Man,
It's sometimes we don't know what the alignment is until
you just you just feel it and you're like, yes,
is alignment? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (49:19):
Yeah, so beautiful. So you've overall how many countries did
you go to?

Speaker 2 (49:24):
I say thirteen? I say fourteen, including the US because
I spent four months in nature, traveling nature parks.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
There's so much in the US that's just so wonderful.
And people think, oh travel, you think off shore, Like,
there's so many beautiful places in America. You know that,
and you and it'll be inexpensive depending on how you
make it in the and you're not going to be
so fearful of the culture, depending on your skin color maybe,
you know.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, man, so many Our country is
so big, there's so so many beautiful spots. I started
just spending four months hiking national parks in the Midwest
Western United States.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
Yeah, which place I'm curious now, which place energetically left
the most lasting impression, or let's call it encodement, you know.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
Yeah, two of them, Peru and Japan. Peru. I lived
there on and off, two years, on and off, and
it gave me a sense of community like I've never had.
And I felt very connected to indigenous ways in Shamanism,
and that culture lives by the lands. God is in

(50:32):
the nature, the spirits are in the mountains, and the
people live very intentionally with the living world around them.
That's where they gain their power from. And it's a
reciprocal communication, right, It's a giving and receiving the way
you bless you tend to the land. You ask for
permission to do things on the land, and the land
gives you back everything you need to sustain yourself. That

(50:56):
place taught me that a lot of us humans are
missing that connection from nature and have severed it, and
that's what gives us our life worse. So, Peru was
like a place on the planet where I had my home.
I had a dope little house in the mountains and
an awesome like town and market love that Japan and

(51:17):
it would be a whole nother tangent to tell the
whole story. But I know I've lived a past life
in Japan. We could just say that. And when I
arrived there, I always felt this calling to go there,
first place I'd ever been. Whereas the second I stepped
off the plane, this energy filled my body that was
like peace, wow, home, calm, smooth, crystal clear. The whole

(51:42):
time I was there, I felt it, and I fell
so in love with Japan. Couldn't talk to anyone there,
didn't have the community in Peru, didn't know what it was.
It just had my heart. And it's the one place
that since I dearly miss and I can't name why. Wow,
like I need to go back to Japan at some point.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
There is something for you in Japan. Yeah, even I
feel it. Even I feel it, I closed my eyes
and like little, a little glow happens, just thinking about
what's there for you?

Speaker 2 (52:14):
Man?

Speaker 1 (52:15):
You Yeah, and with that feeling, like tell me, what
what did you do in Japan? And like, cause I'm
assuming like with this beautiful feeling that you were having,
like the experience was accentuated, right, there was more that
you got out of? What was something super special that
you you found in Japan? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (52:34):
Man, you know I never went to any country with
a plan. Ever, I went for random reasons that would
guide me there, or an intuition or something that just
you know, showed up through somebody else. How about you girls,
Oh well, yes, there is a story about that that
led me to a relationship that told me a lot

(52:54):
of lessons. Put it that way. Japan. I started in
you know, Tokyo. I did the places that people would
do with the lights in the cities. But I'm not
much of a city guy. I just started venturing down
the coastline and going into nature a bit. And I

(53:14):
my travel is one of the main things was nature
because it taught me how to like melt away the
conditioning and the constant need to be productive and doing
things and all of the wiring and nature carries our
natural residence.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
All you gotta do is be in it. It changes you, right.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
Japan's nature was so beautiful, and I was there in
the fall, which is my favorite season. So the leaves
were just yellow, yellow, orange, orange, red, red. And I
would go to.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
Like those beautiful homes, wooden homes with ther towards the end, Hyeah.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
The architecture is incredible. I would go just like sit
around a lake on a grass looking at Mount Food,
just in this nature, just honestly just feel in the
energy and just like just being grateful that I had
this pocket of time to just really experience. But there
was there was many spots, but okay, so Kyoto is

(54:15):
the big place in Japan with all the temples. There's
like sixteen hundred temples, ancient temples. And although it's one
of the biggest tourist spots, like it's over crowded with tourists,
the detail of these temples just astound in me. They're
just dripping with gold and the lines and that's Japan.

(54:36):
It's detail. It's clean lines, clean energy, clean everything. So
I would sit in these temples and just connect with
these gold Buddhas. And there was some kind of a
couple turbulent things going on in my life at that time,
and I would always use the place that I was
in to help me through that. So I would go
and just sit in an estouement at these temples, and

(54:57):
I was like, ah, I don't even need to read
about the Buddha in my mind. I could sit in
front of the Buddha and just kind of inherit the
qualities of the stillness and focusing on something to help
me out of my mind, that kind of thing that's incredible.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
Yeah, what I'm like, as you're saying you're describing your journey,
I'm like imagining I'm walking your footsteps and just experiencing
these magical moments, you know, like breakthrough moments and moments
that have stayed with you and they'll stay with you
for the rest of your life. And and again some people,

(55:35):
some there's somebody there that will never make that jump,
you know, and they will miss out on these incredible experiences.
You know, this hour is flying by, But I want
to talk because one of the things that has come
out of this is speaking on stages right and inspiring

(55:57):
and motivating others. But you've become a coach as well,
and so talk to me about your coaching practice. But
before that, for anyone that's interested, where can they find you?
Where can people find you? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (56:11):
The best place is my website, wake up with Mike
dot com. And there's a place you can contact me
on there if you just want to ask a question,
or if you're interested in coaching or group coaching or
future retreats. I want to take people to different places
around the world or if we're speaking, and then yeah,
Instagram is also at wake up with Mike.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
Okay, perfect, you heard it, guys, wake up with Mike.
I'm waking up with Mike. I'm gonna go wake up
with Mike somewhere around the world.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
Soon it's maybe it's coming, maybe it's a group.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
It's coming. It's coming. So tell me about your coaching.
Transformational coaching, very life driven, purpose driven coaching, Like, how
did that become a thing for you?

Speaker 2 (56:52):
Yeah, So about three and a half years into my journey, right,
I'm asking, hey, God, I asked for that calling.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
I don't know what.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
I'm supposed to do still, and it was this test
of patients is how I interpreted it, and faith, like
I put it all in the bucket, all on the line.
I know something's coming. And what happened is just at
that moment, a friend invited me to come start hosting
open MIC's storytelling nights at a cafe in Peru, and

(57:21):
she said, I know you've always wanted to speak and
share your story. You could see this thing we want
to create it for the first time. I was like absolutely,
and this experience was wonderful for me. Every other week,
we go down there and give people like a chance
to stand up for fifteen minutes, share a life story,
a lesson. It was fun and I really learned the

(57:42):
power of storytelling and how this relates to everybody, and
it's so necessary for us to share our story, to
share our wisdom through the struggles that we've had in life.
It is not about traveling the world. It's about the
things you've overcome and who you've become through those things.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
Right, So that's what sparked the speaker in me and
desiring a speaking career, And I'm like, this is it,
and speaking is really storytelling. It's the art of storytelling
and transferring emotion and feeling and lessons and learning to

(58:24):
other people in a way that they can see themselves
in your shoes and have breakthroughs in their life. So
this transfer to the coaching, where I've done one on one,
but I'm focusing even more on group programs right now.
My recent program is called the Rhythm of You. So
with my work, I'm creating a space for people to
feel safe and inspired, to tap into that inner rhythm,

(58:47):
that inner aliveness, even if perhaps they don't feel it
or know where to start looking for that, and within
that where we go into different things like emotional intelligence,
tuning into your intuition. How do you listen to your
intuition more as opposed to everybody else right where it
could just get more confusing. Living authentically, like you know,

(59:11):
beyond societal expectations or what your family conditioning was. It's
starting to create awareness around all the pieces that have
maybe made up the person you've been living and uncovering
the person that wants to come through all that time,
you know, And then it's like, yeah, how do you
have fun with that? Like, well, all my work is

(59:32):
it's got to be fun, Like, it doesn't always have
to be this like hard, I gotta work on myself
kind of thing. Sometimes it's a one degree shift to like,
you know what, I'm just gonna be this way because
I've always secretly wanted to be this way.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
Yeah yeah, yeah. Choosing to be right, yeah, choosing to
be out of the fact that you just want to be,
not choosing to be what somebody else is projecting on you.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
Right or because it makes sense or because it's going
to get you somewhere, Yeah exactly, yeah, yeah, which leads
to being more authentic absolutely, and uh and uh, yeah,
it's great coaching practices.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
Do you have a testimony of somebody that's been through
your coaching and how was it for them? How did
how did they bloom right? Where was where was their bud?
And at the end when they went, you know, through
the whole journey six weeks or whatever the coaching program is, like,
how did you see that flower inside of them, like

(01:00:28):
blossom into something more.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
Yeah, there's a few that come to mind. Through the
most recent journey that I did with the Rhythm of You.
One person was able to gain emotional access to themselves
like they never had before because their cultural upbringing was
to not express emotions. And also there was some masculine

(01:00:50):
feminine qualities that played into their cultural upbringing that perhaps
suppressed women a little bit. So that you know, she
had these awarenesses like I can share, I I can
express like I'm meant to do this, and it opened
up so much for her and she's running with it now.
Another person was it was a vulnerability piece. It was

(01:01:11):
allowing herself to be vulnerable to be around safe men.
She had had, you know, trauma with men in her life,
which a lot of women, you know do and just
giving herself the permission to yeah, fully express what it
is that she wants. And a lot of a lot
of the practices I give, I call them heartwork, not homework.
It's like really to kind of get you in touch

(01:01:33):
with the heart more. Some of them are coming to
me months later and being like, you have no idea
how much that did for me, and I'm still working
with it. One buddy of mine who was in the
program just sent me a video of him singing karaoke
on a cruise ship and it had been a lifelong
dream and a fear to sing karaoke, and he created

(01:01:55):
this opportunity for himself to do it and was terrified
of it the video and sent it to our whole
group and came to me after and was like, dude, like,
thank you so much for that space. And it's people
people are going after like what they really want and
starting to separate some of some of the fears and falseness.

(01:02:15):
So it always just warms my heart because you never
know who's watching or how you affect people. And this
is a message for everyone. Yeah, this is why it's
so important to share our stories because you just never
know where Years later, someone's like, you know, I heard
you share that one thing once that I was going through,
and it really gave me the courage to keep going.
And and I think that's you know, what we're up

(01:02:36):
to here.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
Yeah, yeah, so true. And then wow, so uh And
people get to discover their gifts, right, discover their personalities,
things about themselves that have been a mystery to them,
and internal programming, right, internal programming that wasn't serving them.
Yeah yeah, and which we like, Uh, it's you know,

(01:02:57):
the beauty of being an adult is that you got
to you get to find out that you don't know everything,
because in your teens you thought you knew everything. And
then and then the more you don't know, and the
more you think you know, the more you found out
you don't know. And then it's just a beautiful journey
of discovery and uh, discovering who we truly truly are,

(01:03:20):
what we're meant to be. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
I love that you've brought up a few times gifts,
Like you're even discovering your gifts. I think we're all
ongoing discovering our gifts, but most of us are not
even aware that we have gifts or that life is
a gift. Or what a gift is, and we just
you wouldn't be here in a living, breathing body if
you didn't have them, and like, yeah, it's our gifts.

(01:03:43):
Like I just you said it, and it's just I
got stuck on it. I'm like, that's that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
That's it. Yeah, yeah, Yeah, it's a gift. Right, Yeah,
Life's a gift. It really is a gift. Yeah, even
the hardest lives. Like I was watching a young boy
that has like probably the most one of the most
aggressive cancers. They were asking him, you know, what is
life to him? And he's crying and you know, he's

(01:04:08):
in bandages, and I see this young boy of like, wow,
what the courage to live such a life? Right, to
see it through even as a young boy, and if
you believe anything, that you chose to be here, like
that's a journey that he chose to come to to

(01:04:29):
be an example, you know, into into you know, like
what are we complaining for?

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
Right, dude? My my speaking mentor the guy I came
back to train with from Peru, his name is Nick
Santon Nostasso has no legs and one arm and one finger.
He was born that way. And you know, He's one
of the most inspiring people that I've seen turn something
like that into such a gift. And he always reminds us,

(01:04:56):
did you wake up with two hands today? Did you
wake up with two feet today? You're already winning. Yeah,
But the gift of what he was able to make
that experience is just like anything as a gift.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
Yeah, anything and everything is a gift and we have
to choose it. We have to choose the gifts too,
Like we can't just sit here and say like, oh,
I don't have anything like and a lot of times
the gift is right in front of your head, is
what everybody always says, Oh you're good at that. Yeah.
And then and then if you're not paying attention to this,
people already telling you what your gifts are, you know,

(01:05:32):
or like, hey, I saw you did this really good,
Like maybe you should pursue that. Oh it is nothing
right yeah, yeah, yeah. We brush away a lot of times,
we brush away our gifts not knowing that there's something
there for us to amplify. And it's part of the
life journey, right yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
Beautifully yeah, broutiful.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
Mike. Waking up with Mike here Woo on a Tuesday evening.
It's gonna air on Sunday, guys. But Mike, do you
have anything that you want to impart on this beautiful
audience of mind, something that either came from this conversation
or something you've been meaning to say or have on

(01:06:12):
your chest for a while. If so, I could pop
on this camera. If not, well say Nara Japanese style.

Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
A couple things just came to my mind.

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
Let's rock and here camera one, let's go so you
can speak to that white camera right there.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
Okay, now the final messages. You are a gift. Life
is a precious gift every moment, and if you can
train and practice so that you start to really believe
that and take that on in the way that you live,
you will truly feel the gift of life that it

(01:06:50):
is all the time, no matter what the situation is,
and it is always a beautiful time for a fresh
new start, no matter what age, no matter where you
think you are, the God picture is way bigger than that.
You're right where you need to be in every moment.
Embrace it and just trust the flow of life, have faith.

(01:07:13):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
That is beautiful, Mike. Life is a gift, and Mike,
you are a gift.

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
You are a gift.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
Thank you brother, right here in the shake on it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
You know, I would hug a.

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
Love you brother, thank you so much for accepting the invite.
But even talk about your speakership man, But uh, that
just means there's going to be a part two, a
part two of Wake Up with Mike here with Geovanni
on the Breakthrough Lab, and you can find Mike at
wake Up with Mike dot dot com. That's m I

(01:07:47):
k E. Mike, and also at wake Up with Mike
at Instagram, right, got it?

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
Awesome, awesome. So I look forward to all the projects
that you're that are coming to all the beautiful people
that you're gonna mentor and coach into brand new versions
of themselves with all these beautiful gifts and encodements and
all these experiences that you've had across the world. And
I can't wait to see you on more stages, man,

(01:08:14):
you know. And I'm gonna make a stage soon and
I'm have this gentleman on in some way somehow. So
let's rocket baby. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
I feel like we got future things in the works.
And I just want to thank you for sharing your
gift with me here today because you have a magic
for creating these spaces that even allows me to show
up and step into mind. So thank you, thank you,
thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:08:35):
All Right, Mike, I'm gonna shake again just to connect
with you, you beautiful soulio. Awesome guys. Well, thank you.
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Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
After say the versing very