July 3, 2024 • 39 mins
Kudzai is joined by Gugulethu on the first episode of the year. The pair discuss the impact of technology, globalization, and socio-political changes on the Zimbabwean music scene.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
And we are live and live, we're recording. Yes, we
are live recording. The listeners are going to catch that.
But hello everybody, and welcome to the chat room. It
is twenty twenty four and I am so happy to
say that we are back and we are cracking today.
(00:28):
I am doing something that I have never done before,
but I am so excited. I am collaborating with another podcast,
the competition.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Such thing as competition, Oh, it's just the concepts of
the mind.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Competition. Competition is the concept of the mind. Yeah, wise
words from Google it to Welcome to the churt room.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
We were talking about how Apple is doing this weird
thing of releasing another phone but technically it's the same phone,
right Yeah, And I just thought we should talk about
the music industry and change. Right, So I am thinking
(01:17):
that we try to see why our music industry is behind.
One of the factors that I have seen personally is
that we are not accustomed to change. You find English rappers,
English artists in Zimbabwe, right, they do not get as
much support simply because of the language they use. It.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, but I guess like with that, I think you'd
have to look at colonization, right, colonization, Yeah, colonization and
the way our history has progressed. Okay, right, so you
have a you have a very small portion of the
(02:02):
population who are going to relate to westernized music.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Okay, you get me.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
So I think support the pool that's already small.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
But within that pool, I think we just don't appreciate
ourselves and our scene at the limit on like our
engagement on this music or this circle music. And is
our engagement low because of the quality of that music
or is it low because we're just obsessed with elsewhere?
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Personally, I would say engagement is low. We definitely have
the quality. Okay, so it's not a quality it's not
a quality issue. We definitely have the quality. I think
right now I'm excited for the creative not just music,
but the creative side of things because people are slowly
(02:58):
beginning to appret it's still the young generation, and I
generally would wish that the older generation would understand that
we are. I mean, okay, we talk about wristernized stuff.
What are we watching on television? All our channels are
not symbolving. It's ready to find someone that literally s
(03:21):
as home and watches it BC. From a young age,
I've been watching home alones and stuff like that. That's
wsternized television. So what are we taking in I'd.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Say, like, even though we're consuming a lot of it,
and say you were in a very privileged position to
be able to afford to consume so much Western okay television,
I think when you say engagement with westernized stuff, right.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
I don't think that's everyone all right.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
So I'm saying different people relate to different things, and
the majority of our country, because of our taps and
our living situations, can relate to a certain situation because
they've spent their lives consuming local music. But also within
our lives, we don't pay enough attention to art in
general in this country. Okay, That's why there's I think
(04:17):
a lot of underinvestment. You don't have a proper industry.
These things aren't necessarily looked at as ways to help,
I don't know, appreciate cultural awareness in a country. So
I'd say it is a quality issue because you wouldn't
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watch it BC because you'd have the kind of like
crinkles in the tape and the picture quality is not evolving.
And I think, yeah, because it was not investors or
not into so of course if you want something ye.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Sorry to interject, but that's the change I'm talking about.
Is we need the creative and the art to be
invested in, yes, but the people with the money the
other that's dark. So I mean, like, ah, fair, what
can artists do as a creative yourself? I mean, you're
(05:21):
not just in podcasting? Yeah, but today I found something
I'm not gonna say ooray, I'm going to keep it
to myself. Okay, you're a creative yourself, and what are
you not doing to reach out to consumers of our
age and the people that can actually invest in you,
(05:41):
because that's the reality. You need someone that is established
and that's knows Yeah, that's about forties and above, and
you're not capturing their attention. So like, ah, I mean, yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
What I think is that? Okay?
Speaker 2 (06:03):
For me, it's I'm gonna be honest, a lack of
willingness to put myself out there. Okay, but that's a
personal that's a personal issue. That's a personal issue. I'd
say the wider issue is that we ourselves are not
willing to engage with material that way.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Uh material And let's see, like.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Our local creative scene. We like borrowing, I think in
zim because if you think about it, like what's really
popular in a club?
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Yeos?
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Okay, yeah, so I'm not hating.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Because real moterfight.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
No no no, no, no, no no no, I'm not
hating for me, I allow you.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
I'm gonna appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
I oh wait, but what's the word?
Speaker 3 (07:01):
I listened to us.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
A lot when I was away, you need because it
reminded me of But that's it's south problem.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Yeah, that's my point.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
And also I'll take accountability.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
I wasn't like looking out for that, a sort of
respite in the local music scene, even though you know
you listen to your.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Jaw praisers yea, and.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Yeah, your jaw praisers and your winkids and your Holy Tans.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
I took a picture with Holy Tan.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
That is so cool. Yeah, Holy if you're listening to this,
you need to come on the chat. Dream just putting
it out.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
But it was.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
It was at the Nasty S Thing. I don't know
if I should say this, but we snuck into VIP.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
All right listening to this.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
No no, no, like this was before, and we just
walked in like the trick.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
You took a chance, and you got a chance and.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
Like life rewarded me.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
So we were sitting there and everyone is like coming
to like sit, like we were so close to NASTC
And I was fangerling but like within because I was.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Like I should act like.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
A composure composure.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
Soldier, like yeah, gangster. But yeah. We took a.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Picture of him and he's like, no, can we just
like stand side by side so that.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
Like I'm married, I have a wife. I was like, wow,
this is actually.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
A thing's wife. If you're listening to this. He's a
real real lawyer nigger. Wow wow.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
But yeah, and the pictures were so cool and I thought, wow.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Well done, well done.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
It was a win for me.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
And we don't see we don't see a lot of
that in them, you know, like I would you say that. No,
My point is there isn't enough support. Okay, okay, right
now that you've mentioned Holy Tane, right, yeah, the kind
(09:20):
of music Holy Taine is making relatable right, yes to
all the involvements, yes, right, yes, yes, that is something
that I don't know how he's done that. I'm not
gonna lie, I don't know how he's done that. But
(09:41):
he's done that and he's rapping.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
Can I say how he's done that? Okay, I think
he's done that.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
A he chooses to rap in mostly right, which I
feel like the majority of the population can understand and
relate to that. Also, it's like, for example, if you
compare like the Shan and japraiser uses and Latin, this
(10:11):
is like simple dilution.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
You know, Yeah, You've now got.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Something that everyone can kind of understand or relates to there.
And then I think also the timbre of his voice
is divisire.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
It's like that guy. You know that guy, you know
that guy who sounds like that, You get me?
Speaker 2 (10:30):
And then the beats and the music are very like
it's a drill, like, so you have that Western quality
which someone else listening to might relate to just because
of the beat.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Can I can I do something? I don't know if
this is gonna work. I'm gonna play a song, okay,
all right, and it's gonna be a wasternized. So I'm
not gonna deny that it is wasternized, yes, but I
need you to tell me if it is relatable, because
(11:04):
I feel like at the end of the day, as
a country, we missed the point. It's about the like,
am I relating to this picture? Am I relating to
the way this person is playing the drums, you know,
the way they're singing the vocals the words right, we
(11:27):
say Seanna boom, and that's that's what catches our She
had to change the just to fit in, and it's crazy,
but I feel like.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
It took her artistry to another level. Like she really
fair for me, Like she accepted the flow. And I
think I think she's so smart.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
She's so smart.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
She knows her market. Yeah, and she has managed to
explore and be a creative within a space which like
maybe some yeah, somebody who looks like her would never
have been the face of that. Like I like this
that genre way, that particular genre. It's like really but yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Hm hmm. So the song is on listeners. I hope
you'll be able to hear this, but.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
They won't because it's a dynamic mic.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Oh okay, so you will not be able to hear this,
So I'm gonna edit it out and then when that's done,
continued the conversation. Away.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Perfect, I'm glad you're editing.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Oh my word, water track, water track. We were listening
to the boy Ray care to interview who we are
going to interview and who the listeners are familiar with
as well. So I'm actually excited about that. And Cazzi, Cazzi.
(13:11):
We were listening to Nobella, right, and for me, Nobella
is probably one of the base tracks ever simply because
it talks about every single facet of life. It's a
I think the song is about seven minutes seven minutes
(13:34):
of pure facts and it's relating to each and every
single facet an area of life. But because it's westernized
in quotations, right, that song is not It hasn't blown
up as much as it should have. You didn't even
(13:55):
know the song.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
That's one hundred percent correct. That's one hundred percent correct.
Is it on Spotify?
Speaker 1 (14:02):
It is on every social media? I hy dog, I
feel like you should pay me some cash for marketing,
but no, it is on every single I'm just joking.
It's on every single platform. And that's the beauty of it.
Like the music is available to every single person, the
(14:23):
art is available to every single person. I mean, I
was I was looking at some pictures like I'm the
ones that they saw on the road along Second Street, right,
and I asked him how much is it, and he said, like,
this one is twenty bucks, this one is forty bucks.
And I'm looking at the picture and I'm like, dog,
(14:44):
you're so unlucky, bro, because had you been in America,
that picture is probably selling for a thousand, two thousand,
two thousands. So the talent is there.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
I think it's the lack of investment from the community.
I think that's fair because everyone's like on a survival mentality.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
All right, So as a creative right or do we
change that?
Speaker 4 (15:12):
I think.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
For me, it needs to be an awakening at a
higher level. But an awakening is stirred from beneath, right, so.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
It starts with us.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
Issues starts with us.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
So I think if you create and invest in your
creations and the community that surrounds you starts investing in
your creation, a beautiful thing can happen where like, you
(15:53):
make enough movement for the right person to pay attention,
which is like a la hopeful shit, but uh it's there,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
You have artists who are wisdomized in quotations like a
batter word having to switch to shana music, having to
make beats that are zimbabwe in quotation right, and they're
losing their art. I I'm not gonna lie to you.
(16:33):
I have artists that I personally listened to amazing as
soon as they started trying to check in Shana, and
it hasn't been a part of them with the previous music. Right.
For me, it's like, that's not a evolution, bro, that's
(16:54):
that's change. That's a complete.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Maybe be like, what do you mean maybe you want to.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Slow a process into that, because I believe that artistically
it does like give you a benefit to explore making
something a profusion or something that you can relate to
or something that like, like let's say.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
For me, I relate to like a lot of hymns.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
So like if I hear like this is old methodism,
I don't know if it's old, but Knach.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Catlic He, Purple e, Purple.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
Pumpty Chico, the Chuco sure Jesus.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
So if like.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
The contrast, you're singing listening to your world.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
But yeah, it's like if you do something that related
to how you related to music some stage or at
at some point in your life, that's beautiful. It's an
artistic exploration that you can maybe untap an element of
yourself that you didn't think you could otherwise.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
So I have a question right to you, and what
makes a good artist? And by the way, just this
is purely subjective, right, because the question is very vague. Yeah,
it really is subjective for you? What makes a perfect artist?
Speaker 4 (18:39):
What makes a perfect artist?
Speaker 1 (18:42):
M M?
Speaker 2 (18:45):
I think what makes Okay a perfect artist. Perfection is
a concept that only exists within our minds.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
Right, And like I heard this, Like this lady was saying, how.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
We only perceive imperfection because we have not absorbed the
imperfection in our concept of perfection, and when that returns
to you, you become whole imperfect okay. So in saying
that in a roundabout way, it's like you accepting the
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imperfection in your creation and trusting the process.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Allowing it to.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
Exist on its own.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
So I think, yeah, that's a perfect artist to me,
someone who's able to balance the imperfection and perfection.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Oh wait, so what I was actually asking, right was
as a listener. Oh right, But thank you for actually
bringing the artists perspective, because like, no one ever thinks
about the artists, it's always about the consumer. The consumer,
(20:16):
the consumer, the consumer. Everything you're now doing is for
the consumer. And that's why my problem is is that
you find an artist that comes in with their art right,
does it for himself by the way, right, because that
first song definitely is for yourself on a fan base,
you haven't released right, So slowly it becomes about I
(20:43):
need to adjust to what people are listening to so
that my music can sell and so that I can
make money. Right, flip it. You have America. You'll be
surprised how many artists may make money in America. And
we don't even know. We don't even know that world
(21:07):
Star is a perfect place, Losy. You know, before he
became mainstream, a man was on World Star. Bro think
it was. I saw him like years before making his
money before he became mainstream. So for me, that's the problem.
M hmm. You know, like it is the line that thin,
(21:28):
you know, making music for yourself, making it for consumers.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
I'd say, yeah, it is that then, because it's that
then unless you have that like wild thing to do
it for yourself.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Funnily enough, a Western person and I think has achieved
this is Drake because he just does shit for him.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
So yeah, but.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
He has a formula which he knows will work each time.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
He's just gonna like I.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Think that guy everyone's like it's music has become less.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
But he's doing he's humor. You know, like I was
on Twitter, right, I was on X just in case
you know someone is listening to my podcast. You know,
ask you listening to the podcast someone on X who
did something crazy? Right? So Drake he plays the bait
(22:38):
on on some UFC fight, right, and then he placed
the bit against some South African UFC person right, and
the fight, funny enough, wasn't Canada, right and it was
seven hundred thousand to his d bro lost the pit.
(22:59):
And then when the mendum was shocking out the UFC
guy head, they're playing God's Plans. But anyway, funny on
the comments because you know the commentsation is why we
really on its right. This menton is like, yo, people
(23:21):
don't realize that Drake is just doing ship because he's funny,
Like this is funny. Now he's training, he is training
for something so stupid.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Yeah no, yeah, life, I think, yeah, he just doesn't.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
He doesn't.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
He doesn't give a ship and when he does.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
It's like he'll just be petty in music and it's like,
oh no, this is him.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
He's not trying to change or like, you know.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Trying to change for nobody, nobody, And that's been Drake.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Since, you know, crying over something, you know, like.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Man, I actually wonder what goes through that man's life,
like the woman that he needs.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
I feel like there's so many and like.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
I think the problem is he probably falls in love
too fast.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
You think so, I don't think so. And do you
know what, No, no, I think. Do you know know
why he's always bleeding? Is that I feel like like
he doesn't mind stirring up a five based on one's
because it's like, Okay, I don't really like this is
(24:38):
just how I feel.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
And yes, maybe I might have wronged.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
You and this that or this, but.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
There's always a bud.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
But this is how I feel and I can't shade it.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
And I'm just telling you, okay.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
So it's like I think that's the energy that it
comes with. I don't think it's falling in love too quickly.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
I just think he emotionally, he has a lot of
emotional energy.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
He has a lot of love to get.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Wait, fair enough, Yeah, And that's why it's good he
as a kid.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
Now, I think hmm.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Also actually happened to AKA funny enough like love of
boyfood day he got it good made him better artistically
as well or ip. But getting back to the conversation, right,
I think at the end of the day, it's just tough.
(25:36):
I think being an artist and being a creative is
a tough industry because I mean, you have to be creative, man.
You have to find a way to attract people towards
your art. And sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't.
(25:57):
But my advice is always guys. I mean people are
telling to dog, yeah they are, and I'm really I'm
ready to hear it. I'm here, I'm ready to see it.
And trust me, beautiful come around.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Enough.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
And then the song is actually about that do you
believe in? Like none of the song that's playing in
the background, but like do you believe in? The stars
are lining?
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Yeah, yeah, you didn't mention the handle.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
And I feel like even if you look, let me
sure you one of my podcasts that it's the Astrology Podcast.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
How many broadcasts, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Well some are downloaded. I haven't, but like these episodes
are long. This is like because I feel like now
I have a diploma and this.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Stuff you've got a high concentration.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
And it's like funny, not funny.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
That is like his teens.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
No, when I get into something, I get into it,
but it's like I delve in for like a moment brief.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
I'll be like wowful turddle in.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Go and then you run out of guys there, I'm like, yeah, okay,
let me break, do something else, find something else.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Yeah. You know, that's why I don't understand people that
binge watch.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Actually, you know, I don't know how people don't like
just finish.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
No, but like, don't you need a break from whatever
you're watching? Because I made the worst mistake ever. I
had never watched Rings, and oh I was twenty three
years old, so I decided I'm a binge watch friends.
Binge watch I did, and I hated Ross so fucking much.
(27:53):
And it's because I was constantly watching him for a
period of time and his character is very annoying. Wow yeah,
And apparently everyone says wow when I say I do
not like Ross. Even now if I see him in
the movies, I'm like, fuck Ross.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
No, Okay, Like for me binge watching, I'll expend it too.
From the perspective of I don't mind hating. I don't
mind hating. I don't mind Oh wait, I don't mind it.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Like it's part of the process.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
It's part of the process. It's part of the okay.
Like I don't mind getting absorbed into a show if
it's that, but if it's worthy of that much attention,
Like there was a phase. I just like stories, great stories,
I'd say if I'm picking a show, so I don't
(28:55):
mind where that story comes from. There's this Indian show
that I found.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
For More Shots Placed.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
It's on Amazon, and I don't have an Amazon Prime account,
so like every time I watch it, it's like a happy
coincidence with the stars line and I have access to
that material or an account. But I watched like the
first season, the second season, I think they were out
(29:24):
at the same time. Yeah, in one night, and then
I slept and woke up and started it all over again.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
I loved I loved it that You're one of those
that repeat.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
I repeat, and I don't mind.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
No, but like I get you a movie that I
repeat every December, and I don't know if I'm trying
to meet this a tradition. It is a tradition, but
like I watch home alone, really home alone. One to fight.
I watch it every single done that for as long
(30:04):
as I know. I know the words, I know what
he's gonna do. I know that he's gonna win. But
it's that good. Do you have an artist in zim
that's that good.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
That I'll listen to?
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Be honest, If you don't have, it's fine, I do
kind of black Wow. I've actually never listened to the music.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
I think it's like I like, I like her exploration.
It's like I even see her on TikTok and I'm.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Like, yo, I listen to you, bro, she's.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
In this somebody who I didn't enjoy?
Speaker 2 (30:43):
You know that maybe this is yeah, oh Who's I
just didn't like the lyrics. I didn't like how no shame.
I feel like that somebody's creative. Like I also hate
shitting on things.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
I'll blip it out, okay, being.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
So I'm gonna shit on it. O. Do I think
looks matter?
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (31:07):
Six cells?
Speaker 1 (31:10):
I know I know so I not say that, but.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
It does sound.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
It definitely matters, Like Okay, sometimes it doesn't matter in
certain circumstances.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
With the talent is so overwhelming, you can't even tonight.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
You just have to be like you because one in
person is good.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Yes, I think it matters less for.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Men, Yeah, definitely. Now, I mean it doesn't matter if
you Yeah, if people think you're ugly or whatever.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Yeah, you can still be famous.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
So Christian, do you think Uncle Waffles is famous because
of her looks?
Speaker 4 (31:58):
And I think she's having woman. I think she's a
talented woman and I'm happy for her and her success.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
I think she's also beautiful and that helps mm hmm.
But like I feel like even like when I listen.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
To her mixes, I appreciate them.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Dog, let me tell you the truth. I think that
girl sucks.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Do you think she sucks?
Speaker 1 (32:25):
I think the only track that she she has and
I only think it got that much higher because it
was her first trick, n the peacock item that tries
let me show you.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
I'm gonna what's the word.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
What would it be on?
Speaker 1 (32:52):
You're gonna counter my point?
Speaker 2 (32:54):
I'm gonna counter with a song or like, you can
put it on and tell me what you think.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
But it would have just made mind there. I'm that
like I.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Can just do that.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
That was like saying to me. So it's like.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
It's not even ready just helping me.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
It's about me.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Right now, and like I don't want.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
I can do this.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
It's an extant right, I think like niggas are like that. Yeah,
I feel like niggas, like human beings are like that.
How like when you are doing shit, you are always
thinking about how it benefits you always, But I'm willing
(33:46):
to hear you prove me wrong.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
I must to be up to me to prove here.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Well, I think that's how we've been bred to be.
So when you step outside of how you've been bred
to be, you start looking at your community and you
can better them.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
So, Charles is it Charles Darwin Dickens? Which one is it?
To one of those charusers? The survival Charles Darwin, survival
of the theater? Do you think in our way the
world as it is? We may not be physically fighting, but.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
I feel yes, it's survival of.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
On an individual level. Like does it reach to that level.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
On an individual level? I feel like, look at what's
you feel like?
Speaker 3 (34:42):
That's capitalism?
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Yeah, I'm sorry, Oh yeah, that's just capitalism.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
We think like that because we.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Are inherently wanting to go forward, and we think we
find performance in these ways. You finally reach a place
and you are empty because you haven't looked beyond yourself.
And I think looking beyond yourself as a human being takes.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
A lot of self love to do.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
If you are consistently working on how you are perceived
to survive, you become isolated from the essence of who
you are and the portrayal of you in let's say
getting ahead, because I think ultimately getting ahead in our
(35:31):
society is not community basis. Like I need to drive
a GA Wagon. I would like to drive a g wagon.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
What color black? Black?
Speaker 4 (35:45):
With black?
Speaker 1 (35:46):
I've noticed something. Yeah, since I've known you. Yeah, black
is your favorite kind, that isn't it? Black?
Speaker 4 (35:53):
And pink?
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Yeah, pink, pink.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
And most of your clothing is actually black.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
That's not true. I don't say that because then Tande
will be like your Google. No, I do wear a
lot of black. Yeah, I've always like black. It's a
good color.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
But I feel like I wear bright colors these days.
I just have black bass.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
It's like, no, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it.
I'm not saying I'm just saying, like I wouldn't say
it's just black. I encompass. I am a lawyer, there is.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
But Anna, for real, I think you I don't have
a favorite.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
You don't What do you mean?
Speaker 3 (36:56):
What do you mean?
Speaker 1 (36:56):
I don't as long as it looks nice, I'm gee,
and I'm not gonna have bright colors because I'm color blind.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
You're color blind for real?
Speaker 3 (37:06):
So you can't see that that's red.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
I knew that was gonna be your first question. But
I can see this is red. So what happens is
some days I see him black and white, and then
some days I see the color. Yo.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
I was like, I didn't know that one was sucking.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
I didn't you wake up a day you see blackness?
Speaker 2 (37:36):
I think then they'd be like in a way, i'm
seeing parents in order. You know that's one? Like you
see him black and white? House, you perceiving ship on
the road, I'm like.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
You dry?
Speaker 3 (37:51):
What the house?
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Oh? My word?
Speaker 3 (37:54):
Consistently?
Speaker 2 (37:56):
No?
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Okay, so you're really color blinds yes I.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Am, but I will explain how it works.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
Okay, you don't.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
I don't see him black and white, and I do
see color. But if you put red and pink, I'm
seeing red, right. But if I do this or bring
it closer, I'm seeing pink. Okay, like sometimes this green
(38:26):
can look a different color. Okay, lime look yellow, yellow
look lime.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Okay, So so they mold into one.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
It's as if I've forgotten my color. It's as if
I don't know this is pink to me, I'm perceiving
it as as pink. But yeah, it's weird, and I've
been toasted so many times. Isn't like my homies are
always toasting me about it? A natural thing.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
M
And we are live and live, we're recording. Yes, we
are live recording. The listeners are going to catch that.
But hello everybody, and welcome to the chat room. It
is twenty twenty four and I am so happy to
say that we are back and we are cracking today.
(00:28):
I am doing something that I have never done before,
but I am so excited. I am collaborating with another podcast,
the competition.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Such thing as competition, Oh, it's just the concepts of
the mind.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Competition. Competition is the concept of the mind. Yeah, wise
words from Google it to Welcome to the churt room.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
We were talking about how Apple is doing this weird
thing of releasing another phone but technically it's the same phone,
right Yeah, And I just thought we should talk about
the music industry and change. Right, So I am thinking
(01:17):
that we try to see why our music industry is behind.
One of the factors that I have seen personally is
that we are not accustomed to change. You find English rappers,
English artists in Zimbabwe, right, they do not get as
much support simply because of the language they use. It.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, but I guess like with that, I think you'd
have to look at colonization, right, colonization, Yeah, colonization and
the way our history has progressed. Okay, right, so you
have a you have a very small portion of the
(02:02):
population who are going to relate to westernized music.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Okay, you get me.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
So I think support the pool that's already small.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
But within that pool, I think we just don't appreciate
ourselves and our scene at the limit on like our
engagement on this music or this circle music. And is
our engagement low because of the quality of that music
or is it low because we're just obsessed with elsewhere?
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Personally, I would say engagement is low. We definitely have
the quality. Okay, so it's not a quality it's not
a quality issue. We definitely have the quality. I think
right now I'm excited for the creative not just music,
but the creative side of things because people are slowly
(02:58):
beginning to appret it's still the young generation, and I
generally would wish that the older generation would understand that
we are. I mean, okay, we talk about wristernized stuff.
What are we watching on television? All our channels are
not symbolving. It's ready to find someone that literally s
(03:21):
as home and watches it BC. From a young age,
I've been watching home alones and stuff like that. That's
wsternized television. So what are we taking in I'd.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Say, like, even though we're consuming a lot of it,
and say you were in a very privileged position to
be able to afford to consume so much Western okay television,
I think when you say engagement with westernized stuff, right.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
I don't think that's everyone all right.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
So I'm saying different people relate to different things, and
the majority of our country, because of our taps and
our living situations, can relate to a certain situation because
they've spent their lives consuming local music. But also within
our lives, we don't pay enough attention to art in
general in this country. Okay, That's why there's I think
(04:17):
a lot of underinvestment. You don't have a proper industry.
These things aren't necessarily looked at as ways to help,
I don't know, appreciate cultural awareness in a country. So
I'd say it is a quality issue because you wouldn't
(04:37):
watch it BC because you'd have the kind of like
crinkles in the tape and the picture quality is not evolving.
And I think, yeah, because it was not investors or
not into so of course if you want something ye.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Sorry to interject, but that's the change I'm talking about.
Is we need the creative and the art to be
invested in, yes, but the people with the money the
other that's dark. So I mean, like, ah, fair, what
can artists do as a creative yourself? I mean, you're
(05:21):
not just in podcasting? Yeah, but today I found something
I'm not gonna say ooray, I'm going to keep it
to myself. Okay, you're a creative yourself, and what are
you not doing to reach out to consumers of our
age and the people that can actually invest in you,
(05:41):
because that's the reality. You need someone that is established
and that's knows Yeah, that's about forties and above, and
you're not capturing their attention. So like, ah, I mean, yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
What I think is that? Okay?
Speaker 2 (06:03):
For me, it's I'm gonna be honest, a lack of
willingness to put myself out there. Okay, but that's a
personal that's a personal issue. That's a personal issue. I'd
say the wider issue is that we ourselves are not
willing to engage with material that way.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Uh material And let's see, like.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Our local creative scene. We like borrowing, I think in
zim because if you think about it, like what's really
popular in a club?
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Yeos?
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Okay, yeah, so I'm not hating.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Because real moterfight.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
No no no, no, no, no no no, I'm not
hating for me, I allow you.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
I'm gonna appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
I oh wait, but what's the word?
Speaker 3 (07:01):
I listened to us.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
A lot when I was away, you need because it
reminded me of But that's it's south problem.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Yeah, that's my point.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
And also I'll take accountability.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
I wasn't like looking out for that, a sort of
respite in the local music scene, even though you know
you listen to your.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Jaw praisers yea, and.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Yeah, your jaw praisers and your winkids and your Holy Tans.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
I took a picture with Holy Tan.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
That is so cool. Yeah, Holy if you're listening to this,
you need to come on the chat. Dream just putting
it out.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
But it was.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
It was at the Nasty S Thing. I don't know
if I should say this, but we snuck into VIP.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
All right listening to this.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
No no, no, like this was before, and we just
walked in like the trick.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
You took a chance, and you got a chance and.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
Like life rewarded me.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
So we were sitting there and everyone is like coming
to like sit, like we were so close to NASTC
And I was fangerling but like within because I was.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Like I should act like.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
A composure composure.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
Soldier, like yeah, gangster. But yeah. We took a.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Picture of him and he's like, no, can we just
like stand side by side so that.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
Like I'm married, I have a wife. I was like, wow,
this is actually.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
A thing's wife. If you're listening to this. He's a
real real lawyer nigger. Wow wow.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
But yeah, and the pictures were so cool and I thought, wow.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Well done, well done.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
It was a win for me.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
And we don't see we don't see a lot of
that in them, you know, like I would you say that. No,
My point is there isn't enough support. Okay, okay, right
now that you've mentioned Holy Tane, right, yeah, the kind
(09:20):
of music Holy Taine is making relatable right, yes to
all the involvements, yes, right, yes, yes, that is something
that I don't know how he's done that. I'm not
gonna lie, I don't know how he's done that. But
(09:41):
he's done that and he's rapping.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
Can I say how he's done that? Okay, I think
he's done that.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
A he chooses to rap in mostly right, which I
feel like the majority of the population can understand and
relate to that. Also, it's like, for example, if you
compare like the Shan and japraiser uses and Latin, this
(10:11):
is like simple dilution.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
You know, Yeah, You've now got.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Something that everyone can kind of understand or relates to there.
And then I think also the timbre of his voice
is divisire.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
It's like that guy. You know that guy, you know
that guy who sounds like that, You get me?
Speaker 2 (10:30):
And then the beats and the music are very like
it's a drill, like, so you have that Western quality
which someone else listening to might relate to just because
of the beat.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Can I can I do something? I don't know if
this is gonna work. I'm gonna play a song, okay,
all right, and it's gonna be a wasternized. So I'm
not gonna deny that it is wasternized, yes, but I
need you to tell me if it is relatable, because
(11:04):
I feel like at the end of the day, as
a country, we missed the point. It's about the like,
am I relating to this picture? Am I relating to
the way this person is playing the drums, you know,
the way they're singing the vocals the words right, we
(11:27):
say Seanna boom, and that's that's what catches our She
had to change the just to fit in, and it's crazy,
but I feel like.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
It took her artistry to another level. Like she really
fair for me, Like she accepted the flow. And I
think I think she's so smart.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
She's so smart.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
She knows her market. Yeah, and she has managed to
explore and be a creative within a space which like
maybe some yeah, somebody who looks like her would never
have been the face of that. Like I like this
that genre way, that particular genre. It's like really but yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Hm hmm. So the song is on listeners. I hope
you'll be able to hear this, but.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
They won't because it's a dynamic mic.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Oh okay, so you will not be able to hear this,
So I'm gonna edit it out and then when that's done,
continued the conversation. Away.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Perfect, I'm glad you're editing.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Oh my word, water track, water track. We were listening
to the boy Ray care to interview who we are
going to interview and who the listeners are familiar with
as well. So I'm actually excited about that. And Cazzi, Cazzi.
(13:11):
We were listening to Nobella, right, and for me, Nobella
is probably one of the base tracks ever simply because
it talks about every single facet of life. It's a
I think the song is about seven minutes seven minutes
(13:34):
of pure facts and it's relating to each and every
single facet an area of life. But because it's westernized
in quotations, right, that song is not It hasn't blown
up as much as it should have. You didn't even
(13:55):
know the song.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
That's one hundred percent correct. That's one hundred percent correct.
Is it on Spotify?
Speaker 1 (14:02):
It is on every social media? I hy dog, I
feel like you should pay me some cash for marketing,
but no, it is on every single I'm just joking.
It's on every single platform. And that's the beauty of it.
Like the music is available to every single person, the
(14:23):
art is available to every single person. I mean, I
was I was looking at some pictures like I'm the
ones that they saw on the road along Second Street, right,
and I asked him how much is it, and he said, like,
this one is twenty bucks, this one is forty bucks.
And I'm looking at the picture and I'm like, dog,
(14:44):
you're so unlucky, bro, because had you been in America,
that picture is probably selling for a thousand, two thousand,
two thousands. So the talent is there.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
I think it's the lack of investment from the community.
I think that's fair because everyone's like on a survival mentality.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
All right, So as a creative right or do we
change that?
Speaker 4 (15:12):
I think.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
For me, it needs to be an awakening at a
higher level. But an awakening is stirred from beneath, right, so.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
It starts with us.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
Issues starts with us.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
So I think if you create and invest in your
creations and the community that surrounds you starts investing in
your creation, a beautiful thing can happen where like, you
(15:53):
make enough movement for the right person to pay attention,
which is like a la hopeful shit, but uh it's there,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
You have artists who are wisdomized in quotations like a
batter word having to switch to shana music, having to
make beats that are zimbabwe in quotation right, and they're
losing their art. I I'm not gonna lie to you.
(16:33):
I have artists that I personally listened to amazing as
soon as they started trying to check in Shana, and
it hasn't been a part of them with the previous music. Right.
For me, it's like, that's not a evolution, bro, that's
(16:54):
that's change. That's a complete.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Maybe be like, what do you mean maybe you want to.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Slow a process into that, because I believe that artistically
it does like give you a benefit to explore making
something a profusion or something that you can relate to
or something that like, like let's say.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
For me, I relate to like a lot of hymns.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
So like if I hear like this is old methodism,
I don't know if it's old, but Knach.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Catlic He, Purple e, Purple.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
Pumpty Chico, the Chuco sure Jesus.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
So if like.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
The contrast, you're singing listening to your world.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
But yeah, it's like if you do something that related
to how you related to music some stage or at
at some point in your life, that's beautiful. It's an
artistic exploration that you can maybe untap an element of
yourself that you didn't think you could otherwise.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
So I have a question right to you, and what
makes a good artist? And by the way, just this
is purely subjective, right, because the question is very vague. Yeah,
it really is subjective for you? What makes a perfect artist?
Speaker 4 (18:39):
What makes a perfect artist?
Speaker 1 (18:42):
M M?
Speaker 2 (18:45):
I think what makes Okay a perfect artist. Perfection is
a concept that only exists within our minds.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
Right, And like I heard this, Like this lady was saying, how.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
We only perceive imperfection because we have not absorbed the
imperfection in our concept of perfection, and when that returns
to you, you become whole imperfect okay. So in saying
that in a roundabout way, it's like you accepting the
(19:28):
imperfection in your creation and trusting the process.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Allowing it to.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
Exist on its own.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
So I think, yeah, that's a perfect artist to me,
someone who's able to balance the imperfection and perfection.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Oh wait, so what I was actually asking, right was
as a listener. Oh right, But thank you for actually
bringing the artists perspective, because like, no one ever thinks
about the artists, it's always about the consumer. The consumer,
(20:16):
the consumer, the consumer. Everything you're now doing is for
the consumer. And that's why my problem is is that
you find an artist that comes in with their art right,
does it for himself by the way, right, because that
first song definitely is for yourself on a fan base,
you haven't released right, So slowly it becomes about I
(20:43):
need to adjust to what people are listening to so
that my music can sell and so that I can
make money. Right, flip it. You have America. You'll be
surprised how many artists may make money in America. And
we don't even know. We don't even know that world
(21:07):
Star is a perfect place, Losy. You know, before he
became mainstream, a man was on World Star. Bro think
it was. I saw him like years before making his
money before he became mainstream. So for me, that's the problem.
M hmm. You know, like it is the line that thin,
(21:28):
you know, making music for yourself, making it for consumers.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
I'd say, yeah, it is that then, because it's that
then unless you have that like wild thing to do
it for yourself.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Funnily enough, a Western person and I think has achieved
this is Drake because he just does shit for him.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
So yeah, but.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
He has a formula which he knows will work each time.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
He's just gonna like I.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Think that guy everyone's like it's music has become less.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
But he's doing he's humor. You know, like I was
on Twitter, right, I was on X just in case
you know someone is listening to my podcast. You know,
ask you listening to the podcast someone on X who
did something crazy? Right? So Drake he plays the bait
(22:38):
on on some UFC fight, right, and then he placed
the bit against some South African UFC person right, and
the fight, funny enough, wasn't Canada, right and it was
seven hundred thousand to his d bro lost the pit.
(22:59):
And then when the mendum was shocking out the UFC
guy head, they're playing God's Plans. But anyway, funny on
the comments because you know the commentsation is why we
really on its right. This menton is like, yo, people
(23:21):
don't realize that Drake is just doing ship because he's funny,
Like this is funny. Now he's training, he is training
for something so stupid.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Yeah no, yeah, life, I think, yeah, he just doesn't.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
He doesn't.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
He doesn't give a ship and when he does.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
It's like he'll just be petty in music and it's like,
oh no, this is him.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
He's not trying to change or like, you know.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Trying to change for nobody, nobody, And that's been Drake.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Since, you know, crying over something, you know, like.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Man, I actually wonder what goes through that man's life,
like the woman that he needs.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
I feel like there's so many and like.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
I think the problem is he probably falls in love
too fast.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
You think so, I don't think so. And do you
know what, No, no, I think. Do you know know
why he's always bleeding? Is that I feel like like
he doesn't mind stirring up a five based on one's
because it's like, Okay, I don't really like this is
(24:38):
just how I feel.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
And yes, maybe I might have wronged.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
You and this that or this, but.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
There's always a bud.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
But this is how I feel and I can't shade it.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
And I'm just telling you, okay.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
So it's like I think that's the energy that it
comes with. I don't think it's falling in love too quickly.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
I just think he emotionally, he has a lot of
emotional energy.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
He has a lot of love to get.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Wait, fair enough, Yeah, And that's why it's good he
as a kid.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
Now, I think hmm.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Also actually happened to AKA funny enough like love of
boyfood day he got it good made him better artistically
as well or ip. But getting back to the conversation, right,
I think at the end of the day, it's just tough.
(25:36):
I think being an artist and being a creative is
a tough industry because I mean, you have to be creative, man.
You have to find a way to attract people towards
your art. And sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't.
(25:57):
But my advice is always guys. I mean people are
telling to dog, yeah they are, and I'm really I'm
ready to hear it. I'm here, I'm ready to see it.
And trust me, beautiful come around.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Enough.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
And then the song is actually about that do you
believe in? Like none of the song that's playing in
the background, but like do you believe in? The stars
are lining?
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Yeah, yeah, you didn't mention the handle.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
And I feel like even if you look, let me
sure you one of my podcasts that it's the Astrology Podcast.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
How many broadcasts, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Well some are downloaded. I haven't, but like these episodes
are long. This is like because I feel like now
I have a diploma and this.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Stuff you've got a high concentration.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
And it's like funny, not funny.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
That is like his teens.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
No, when I get into something, I get into it,
but it's like I delve in for like a moment brief.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
I'll be like wowful turddle in.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Go and then you run out of guys there, I'm like, yeah, okay,
let me break, do something else, find something else.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Yeah. You know, that's why I don't understand people that
binge watch.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Actually, you know, I don't know how people don't like
just finish.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
No, but like, don't you need a break from whatever
you're watching? Because I made the worst mistake ever. I
had never watched Rings, and oh I was twenty three
years old, so I decided I'm a binge watch friends.
Binge watch I did, and I hated Ross so fucking much.
(27:53):
And it's because I was constantly watching him for a
period of time and his character is very annoying. Wow yeah,
And apparently everyone says wow when I say I do
not like Ross. Even now if I see him in
the movies, I'm like, fuck Ross.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
No, Okay, Like for me binge watching, I'll expend it too.
From the perspective of I don't mind hating. I don't
mind hating. I don't mind Oh wait, I don't mind it.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Like it's part of the process.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
It's part of the process. It's part of the okay.
Like I don't mind getting absorbed into a show if
it's that, but if it's worthy of that much attention,
Like there was a phase. I just like stories, great stories,
I'd say if I'm picking a show, so I don't
(28:55):
mind where that story comes from. There's this Indian show
that I found.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
For More Shots Placed.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
It's on Amazon, and I don't have an Amazon Prime account,
so like every time I watch it, it's like a happy
coincidence with the stars line and I have access to
that material or an account. But I watched like the
first season, the second season, I think they were out
(29:24):
at the same time. Yeah, in one night, and then
I slept and woke up and started it all over again.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
I loved I loved it that You're one of those
that repeat.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
I repeat, and I don't mind.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
No, but like I get you a movie that I
repeat every December, and I don't know if I'm trying
to meet this a tradition. It is a tradition, but
like I watch home alone, really home alone. One to fight.
I watch it every single done that for as long
(30:04):
as I know. I know the words, I know what
he's gonna do. I know that he's gonna win. But
it's that good. Do you have an artist in zim
that's that good.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
That I'll listen to?
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Be honest, If you don't have, it's fine, I do
kind of black Wow. I've actually never listened to the music.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
I think it's like I like, I like her exploration.
It's like I even see her on TikTok and I'm.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Like, yo, I listen to you, bro, she's.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
In this somebody who I didn't enjoy?
Speaker 2 (30:43):
You know that maybe this is yeah, oh Who's I
just didn't like the lyrics. I didn't like how no shame.
I feel like that somebody's creative. Like I also hate
shitting on things.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
I'll blip it out, okay, being.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
So I'm gonna shit on it. O. Do I think
looks matter?
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (31:07):
Six cells?
Speaker 1 (31:10):
I know I know so I not say that, but.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
It does sound.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
It definitely matters, Like Okay, sometimes it doesn't matter in
certain circumstances.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
With the talent is so overwhelming, you can't even tonight.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
You just have to be like you because one in
person is good.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Yes, I think it matters less for.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Men, Yeah, definitely. Now, I mean it doesn't matter if
you Yeah, if people think you're ugly or whatever.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Yeah, you can still be famous.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
So Christian, do you think Uncle Waffles is famous because
of her looks?
Speaker 4 (31:58):
And I think she's having woman. I think she's a
talented woman and I'm happy for her and her success.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
I think she's also beautiful and that helps mm hmm.
But like I feel like even like when I listen.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
To her mixes, I appreciate them.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Dog, let me tell you the truth. I think that
girl sucks.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Do you think she sucks?
Speaker 1 (32:25):
I think the only track that she she has and
I only think it got that much higher because it
was her first trick, n the peacock item that tries
let me show you.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
I'm gonna what's the word.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
What would it be on?
Speaker 1 (32:52):
You're gonna counter my point?
Speaker 2 (32:54):
I'm gonna counter with a song or like, you can
put it on and tell me what you think.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
But it would have just made mind there. I'm that
like I.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Can just do that.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
That was like saying to me. So it's like.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
It's not even ready just helping me.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
It's about me.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Right now, and like I don't want.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
I can do this.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
It's an extant right, I think like niggas are like that. Yeah,
I feel like niggas, like human beings are like that.
How like when you are doing shit, you are always
thinking about how it benefits you always, But I'm willing
(33:46):
to hear you prove me wrong.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
I must to be up to me to prove here.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Well, I think that's how we've been bred to be.
So when you step outside of how you've been bred
to be, you start looking at your community and you
can better them.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
So, Charles is it Charles Darwin Dickens? Which one is it?
To one of those charusers? The survival Charles Darwin, survival
of the theater? Do you think in our way the
world as it is? We may not be physically fighting, but.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
I feel yes, it's survival of.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
On an individual level. Like does it reach to that level.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
On an individual level? I feel like, look at what's
you feel like?
Speaker 3 (34:42):
That's capitalism?
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Yeah, I'm sorry, Oh yeah, that's just capitalism.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
We think like that because we.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Are inherently wanting to go forward, and we think we
find performance in these ways. You finally reach a place
and you are empty because you haven't looked beyond yourself.
And I think looking beyond yourself as a human being takes.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
A lot of self love to do.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
If you are consistently working on how you are perceived
to survive, you become isolated from the essence of who
you are and the portrayal of you in let's say
getting ahead, because I think ultimately getting ahead in our
(35:31):
society is not community basis. Like I need to drive
a GA Wagon. I would like to drive a g wagon.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
What color black? Black?
Speaker 4 (35:45):
With black?
Speaker 1 (35:46):
I've noticed something. Yeah, since I've known you. Yeah, black
is your favorite kind, that isn't it? Black?
Speaker 4 (35:53):
And pink?
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Yeah, pink, pink.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
And most of your clothing is actually black.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
That's not true. I don't say that because then Tande
will be like your Google. No, I do wear a
lot of black. Yeah, I've always like black. It's a
good color.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
But I feel like I wear bright colors these days.
I just have black bass.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
It's like, no, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it.
I'm not saying I'm just saying, like I wouldn't say
it's just black. I encompass. I am a lawyer, there is.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
But Anna, for real, I think you I don't have
a favorite.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
You don't What do you mean?
Speaker 3 (36:56):
What do you mean?
Speaker 1 (36:56):
I don't as long as it looks nice, I'm gee,
and I'm not gonna have bright colors because I'm color blind.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
You're color blind for real?
Speaker 3 (37:06):
So you can't see that that's red.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
I knew that was gonna be your first question. But
I can see this is red. So what happens is
some days I see him black and white, and then
some days I see the color. Yo.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
I was like, I didn't know that one was sucking.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
I didn't you wake up a day you see blackness?
Speaker 2 (37:36):
I think then they'd be like in a way, i'm
seeing parents in order. You know that's one? Like you
see him black and white? House, you perceiving ship on
the road, I'm like.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
You dry?
Speaker 3 (37:51):
What the house?
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Oh? My word?
Speaker 3 (37:54):
Consistently?
Speaker 2 (37:56):
No?
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Okay, so you're really color blinds yes I.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Am, but I will explain how it works.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
Okay, you don't.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
I don't see him black and white, and I do
see color. But if you put red and pink, I'm
seeing red, right. But if I do this or bring
it closer, I'm seeing pink. Okay, like sometimes this green
(38:26):
can look a different color. Okay, lime look yellow, yellow
look lime.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Okay, So so they mold into one.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
It's as if I've forgotten my color. It's as if
I don't know this is pink to me, I'm perceiving
it as as pink. But yeah, it's weird, and I've
been toasted so many times. Isn't like my homies are
always toasting me about it? A natural thing.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
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