June 14, 2024 • 31 mins
Join host Taf in a vibrant conversation with the electrifying rapper Fuse. Delve into Fuse's journey through the world of hip-hop, from early influences to defining moments in their career. Discover the inspirations behind Fuse's lyrics and the creative process that shapes their music. Gain insights into the challenges and triumphs of navigating the rap scene as an emerging artist. Whether you're a dedicated fan or new to Fuse's beats, this episode promises to illuminate the passion and artistry driving one of today's most dynamic voices in rap music.
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the episode good morning, good afternoon, good evening, spending where you are?
My name is chaff Back, likeI never left and with me today,
Ladies and gentlemen. I'm extremely excited, mainly because this is probably when
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it comes to lyrical content and flow, this is the best rapperends. Then
I'm sorry if you're offended, butthat's my opinion. This is the best
rapperens. Then it's just extremely ridiculouslyunderrated. It's painful. I have Fuse,
ladies, jirl, I have Fuse. What's happening in Fuse? What's
good? You are chilling, chillingman. I've been looking forward to this
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so soon as I sent you them, damn. And then I was like,
oh shit, my guys, truehave you too? Dog and I'll
be looking forward to still coll Lass. So I'm gonna get right into the
music because you ever wanted to talkabout it for a minute, Gone Too
Soon? That's your latest single,am I? Right? Yeah, that's
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the latest single that's just released anddid Literally when it played, everyone was
like, you know, who's this? Who is this? Because I'm currently
based on the States, like theKindrick drop like that, there's not even
Kendrick Like it's giving kin Drick shoutsvibes and all that. So walk me
through the process. How did itcome to you, what inspired it,
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and how long did it take tomake? All? Right, Well,
first of all, thanks for havingme, bro, this is this is
a big look for me. Butyeah, so basically, yeah, I
was just I was in my yardchilling. I was actually about to go
for work. Funny enough really thenyeah, so I'm I'm justcping through beats
on YouTube, right how I do? And I find this beat literally cold,
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Gone too Soon? And I literallyclicked playing the instrumental played about like
five ten seconds and I immediately hadthe hook right there and then immediately yeah,
I just remember making the hook likeI just recorded like young voice voice
not voice note on my on myphone, but I didn't have time to
like work on the verse anything.So that's all I had for the first
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day, and I just remember playingit on my way to work. I
like, yeah, I think Ithink I got one store. I think
we have one. So listen anotherway to work. You're like, get
home and killed this ship as soonas I got home, got to work,
got the first foot, and thenafter the first verse. Yeah,
everything just flowed from there. SoI worked like with the YouTube bits hey
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hey, hey, take live onit anyway, work with the YouTube like
do you do you ask? Doyou have to like dm the guy who
posted it? Do you play them? Or what is that? What happened
with that? So basically, producershave their own channels where they just posted
beats, so if you find abeat you like, you can least the
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beat from them. So they usuallyhave like a separate website where you go
pay for the lease, so theleases aren't too expensive, like most leases
around twenty bucks. So yeah,this one was around twenty So this I
think a lot of people actually don'tknow that there are a lot of very
talented producers on YouTube. This particularguy who made the gone Too student,
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he just recently. He just recentlygot a placement with Push Your Tea.
Really yeah, so funny enough actuallystanding the song after I've made it and
he was like, yo, bro, this is one of the best joints
that's been sent to me. AndI was like, yo, that was
a big look for me, especiallyknowing that he's working with people Push the
Tea. To know someone like thatactually was actually going to partically you're working
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with push it. If we're beinglegit, yeah, I am drinking to
a guy who was well, yeah, but yeah, man, process was
just natural, you know, whichis how when you're making music you never
want to force anything. You never, I don't know, try and be
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something that you know, which wasone of the motivation songs, Like I
noticed it. There wasn't there weren'tmany people doing that, you know,
funky so for yeah, right upmy lane. Like most of my influences
are like Anderson Pack, Mac Miller, Kendrick. I actually want to say
that I want to Anderson peg withKendrick and tell the vibe for like a
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seconds. So let's go to thelyrics. It seems like you're cyndric or,
which is the reason why, Likejust for the people listening, we'll
use for the first sort of themental health that were launching. We used
going too Soon for it because wefelt like it was like in line with
what we were talking about, andit was also it had like we saw
like a funky vibe. We're talkingabout something serious, and when it comes
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to mental health, many people it'smore serious. People like or everyone is
like it's a very sad topic perse. But then the way we want
to do it and the way thatevery devibe your song was giving but we
want to talk about it was somethingthat differently needs to be talked about,
but at the same time, wedon't need to make it a sad situation.
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Yeah, bro, you get nailright on the dot. So basically,
like with the title of the song, as soon as I saw the
title of the beat, I'm like, gone to soon? What can I
make that be about? So youknow, the chorus goes, I don't
want to be gone too soon?So I live. You know, I
got much more to give basically,So it's basically just like knowing that you
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have so much potential within you thatyou don't want to see it go to
waste. You know. That's that'sone of my biggest fears, like knowing
that I have this gift and thenjust not doing anything with it, or
you know, looking more seriously,maybe I could die tomorrow. I could
die. You know, I haveto live for today. I have to
live go after what I want toachieve right now, because you know,
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tomorrow is promise to anyone. Youknow, there was a part I want
to ask the three parts of thesong that I want like a lion.
So like at the beginning, whenyou're like, waitun til I c I
E. You can see all thepain in my ei ees see. So
when you're talking about the pain inyour eyes, which obviously which I like,
by the way, that's all spellingit out, actually added to the
floor and I was like, withstep Mother, I'm fan going on right
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now the song. I was reallyenjoying it. But when you're talking about
the pain are you mainly what painare you talking about? In this particular
case. I just think it's likethe pain of being a human. I
know. That's like, okay,go on. I like that. I
like it, like the general statement. It's just like talking about those feelings
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that we all get, you know, when you go through grief, when
you go through portrayal, heartbreak,frustration, like for the past two or
three years. I'm sure anyone who'sanyone who knows me has noticed that I
hadn't dropped music for like two years. Yeah, we actually need to discuss
that you left us out your hangingbro. So basically the backdrop to the
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story is I get to UNI rightand immediately I try to find the studio
to a court and can't find anywhere, literally anywhere. It was just one
place in Amsterdam. That quote tome, the price of like five hundred
years for a five dollars session onefive is insane and I'm like, are
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you are you serious? So Ilook online and then I see that there's
people who've made their own home studiosfor like for this price, like five
hundred years, they bought all theequipment and everything. So I'm like,
my friend group, I've noticed aguy who makes music, you know,
and it's kind of messed up tobe the guy who doesn't have any music.
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Like people hit me up like yo, what's the new music world?
And I'm like, I don't haveanything to like some Bamias voice. It's
just not it's not a good lookat all. So I'm like, you
know what, now, let melet me buy my own equipment, let
me learn how to make music myself. And I thought, Okay, once
I get the equipment, it's helplike I'm back in the game. And
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for some strange reason, once Ibought the equipment, I don't know,
it made me feel like my dreamjust got more real than it was before.
Like before I got the equipment,I'm like, maybe this is just
a pipe tree. Maybe I'm justnot meant to do this, you know,
all these sorts just your head.But I'm like, nah, this
is what I love to do.I have to I have to do this.
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So it was literally like this pastyear in Lockdown, where I just
like knuckled down and really locked inand you know, focused on just perfecting
my craft or level where I wascomfortable sharing it out with the world,
you know. Like that, andthe fact that it's also going to branch
into the next part of the songthat also asked but like when you're saying
I think you're saying all summer along, I'll split along the couch, my
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mother could vouch that I was justtrying to find my way out. I
think you said the beasts belly orsome of it. They said the beast
billy and then you found yeah,trying to find my way out the belly
of the beast. Basically, yeah, like a high school I was.
I was a guy who just didenough to get back. Like a trade,
a student, you just matter yourown business, did I just did
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my own thing. But like,I come from a family where excellence is
expected, So I always felt likethat pressure to achieve. But I didn't
feel like I had something you know, you know, that was mine that
I could be, Like, Yo, if I really knuckle down and do
this, I could really I couldreally be something that was that wasn't until
I found music, you know.That way, you didn't go and say,
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and I feel like I'm under siege, Like stay out of that,
get out of the belly of thebeast. You're like, I feel like
I'm at the siege. Would thesiege be the pishures that you were experiencing
from the families? Yeah, basicallythe pressure from family, basically pressure from
friends, from society, you know, blow up, you know what I
mean? So when I say whensummers in the college, that was literally
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me like most summers, I'll justbe cabins, doing nothing, chilling when
I could have been working, whenI could have been, you know,
socializing more, going out more,which is one thing I think I should
have done more in high school.But just looking back now, it's like
being okay with being average just becameunacceptable for me. Like I was like,
no, if I really want toachieve what I want to achieve,
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Like, there has to be awork ethic, there has to be like
a standard of excellence that I needto aspire to to reach. So that
was literally like the motivation. That'sbeen the motivation for the past year and
a half. You know, itwas funny, but I'm sorry, this
is but saying I was I didn'twant to at some point being comfortable simple
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because the next bar to ask iswhen you say you don't believe us you
are all low achievers, haven't alwaysbeen the most eager of the Oh,
like you like everything you say,Like the philosophical consistency in your trak is
showing even with the way you thinkand speak, which is insane. Yeah,
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so I'm literally just like giving you, giving you me, giving my
feelings, Like yo, this ishow I felt. But I realized the
way I was going about this wrongand I need to I need to change.
Like the last line was like Ihad a wadmit I needed some help.
It was that for my dreams inthe shelf, I couldn't do it.
I couldn't do it. Sorry,I don't think you understand this each
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time, Like all right, obviouslyin the last year, you you and
I know the people in our circleswho know about three people who have died
by suits the love in the box, Yeah, which is crazy, like
it got it meant so it justread my mind has beat by thirty percent
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in the last ten years. Soobviously watching it and it hits different people
that you know, like closer tohome. So obviously, like I was,
we have with the church b weneed to do something because I so
a conversation with a conversation that needsto be had. And I was like
I was like really stuck, likehow am I going to do this?
Well? What what what is theodor of episodes that I'm going to do?
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Like how am I going to startit? And then you drop the
song and I just clicked like onyour bio download it on my phone.
It just never got to dinner andlisten to the one that was driving home,
Like just then it comes on,I'm like, wait to pull up,
and it's not so mellow. Itsounds like the opening of IF if
it's for family type thing, youknow, it's like really like said,
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and then the song drops, I'mlike, oh shit. And it's also
talking about going too soon, whichhit home, which hit differently considered what
had happened, and going into thewoods, and then right out of the
song, You're exactly what I wasgonna do with metal. So that's how
I'm like really focusing on this songthat I really want to know what happened,
and now that I know, it'slike really sad, it's fun to
be honest, and for me personally, I can't speak for everyone else.
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I'm never gonna say thank you forreleasing that shit because that was actually hot,
that's for sure. For mind,I appreciate it, Bro, I
appreciate it. So the first songyou released IF, I'm not sure if
it was, but that was thefirst song I heard from you. I
trod on SoundCloud. I think Iwas twenty sixteen. I think it's twenty
seventeen, twenty seventeen, twenty seventeen. Yeah, yeah, is that was
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that like your first song that youreleased or yeah, that was that was
my first on the song. Iremember, I remember writing it and I
remember the studio session. M hm, like I thought it was the greatest
song ever released. I remember.I actually DM like every celebrity you can
think of, I'm like, yo, we learned to listen to this,
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y'all got to listen to this,bro like we lived in the talk.
But like I still, like I'veseen like a lot of people like delete
their old songs from their profiles becauselike you know, it wasn't up to
scratch to what they are now.But like for me, I just keep
them up there because it's like motivationand it's just a reminder for me of
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like how far I've come with mysong from those days to now. It's
like Madden Day, you know whatI mean. But the thing is,
that's the thing you're saying, likehow far have come? But you've been
like fire from the start, likefrom the time you drobted first. I
didn't say it to you, butlike I was, remember I was talking
to Think Jordan, like one ofthe time before you guys made this song,
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I was like, I don't know, who can know Kenny makes music,
but those guys onto something and theworst not is you like drop the
song and you wouldn't even station.We don't even tell anybody. He was
just dropping right and now listen,I'm like, now this guy's onto something.
And then like I'm going to andthen you drop another song with Jordan
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the Free Start. It was prettyfire again. But I also like to
know is when you drop the firstsong when you knew you want to do
something in music or that's more ofyou knew for a while and took courage
to drop the first one. Yeah, Like literally, I've wanted to make
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music since I was like twelve.I remember, I actually remember me and
Daryl Ghanna were now grade seven whatdo you call it? We had like
we had like before zim sake exams. We're like we had like study sessions
and our teachers, teachers Kevin SoI remember telling him one day like,
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YO, want a wrap this niggalooked at me like what do you mean?
Yeah? Cool? And you know, like your grade seven like anybody,
like if I was to ask youwhat you wanted to be in grade
seven, like niggas wanted to beSuperman, you know what? I mean,
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yeah, lawyers and digital stuff.So like grade seven, I used
to just send my whole means likewraps I make on my phone. Those
days, you just send them overtext, like literally the worst raps,
the most cheesy wraps. It willbe like across the street wearing Ja's called
it Jay walk. Yeah, bro, like like back in the day,
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Wheezy was my guy, Like Wheezyyay Drake, Like those are like the
ghosts to me, like even thoughstill even though Kanye hasn't dropped off the
nigga but anyways, but yeah,from those days, and you wanted to
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wrap, but then for me,it was still kind of like a hobby.
Was like semi seriously, I didn'tknow if I was really gonna wrap.
And then I remember, I thinkit was formed two. I had
to hold me a tage who cameto me just randomly came to me with
like this freestyle that he made andI remember here style, and in my
mind, I was like, Yo, that shit's fire. But I was
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just like, I'm like, youthink you can wrap, wait, let
me go Calvins and I'll end yourwhole career started. It was even started.
So yeah, I go home andI just make like an eight bar
wrap. I don't know if Istill remember the lines, but like his
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reaction, his like facial reaction,just let me know, like, oh,
okay, maybe I'm onto something.So I remember that week I went
home and then I did a remixof pound Cake by Drake, sent it
to another one whom Hei's and he'slike, he was like, bro,
I would lie. I thought thiswas going to be absolutely terrible, but
nah, you've actually got something.So it was just that encouragement early on,
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let me know, Okay, maybeI could I could do this for
really you know. So, butit was seven you say this was for
this was now in Form two,wasn't it? Yeah? Form two for
two for two. That's like alittle fourteen years so from fourteen and you
only dropped in. And if youonly dropped in twenty seventeen, twenty seventeen,
you're eighteen, So it took youfour years to drop your first song.
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Why take you so long? Ithink it was just like access to
like studios. Basically I didn't knowlike where to record, where to find
the studio. It was actually Darylwho who told me where he recorded,
which is where I went to recordmy first song, first impression. So
if I had access to like equipmentearlier on then then then I probably would
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have dropped. But just it wasjust a question of like having the resources
at the time, you know whatI mean. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
definitely. Like from what I'm hearing, it seems like you've actually been
onto something for a while now,and it's just it's just I don't know
if it's fortunate or unfortunate that peoplejust don't know that you're out there yet.
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But literally, for me, whatis it. I'm like, is
there a reason why you don't marketextra or you just want it to be
more authentic and natural? No,the marketing side, I do admit that's
that's an area where I need toimprove. Like that's not lost on me.
Like for me, the marketing teamis like two thirds of the rule
with this music thing, Like it'salright, being good, but if no
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one knows, then what's the point. So in the coming months and years,
that's one thing that I do needto improve on. It's just that
maybe earlier on, like if thiswas two or three years ago, I
would be like, nah, Idon't mean you need to do our marketing
thing. I'm really into ig likethat, I just do need you know
what I mean. But now,like music is basically it's basically like entrep
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inertship. It is. Yeah,so I'm saying it's basically basically like entrepreneurship.
With a major label behind you,you're the one who has to market
yourself. You're the one who hasto find other artists to work with.
You know, you really need topush your own sound otherwise you know,
there's no one else to do itfor you. So yeah, that's that's
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But like I said earlier, likeI'm not really worried about my lack of
a following right now because I doappreciate the fact that I do have,
and I just know, like themore I work, the more I grow,
Like it's just a matter of time. You know, There's no point
in me being envious of other peoplehaving more followers, more likes, more
clicks on the songs, you know, because everyone deserves the success that they've
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had because people have worked for it. So if you haven't worked for that
sense, how can you expect tohave that success? You know, it's
actually refreshing to hear that you're alot of I'm mainly like in a rush
to get to the top and endup like and what I also like what
I was the reason I also likeif I'm being on as well, what
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actually maybe like turn me into likea few signs like real, it's a
lot of like them artists. Wehave a lot of talent in them,
I'm sure if you see, likea lot of guys are very good,
but they get many more success likeminimal success, minimal like a little bit
of for lack of a better term, clubs and the right assume that they've
arrived and now they start acting likeyou know, like big like decide like
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little babies, like you have toyou have to go through for my people
to be able to get to me, or you try to read them,
like try to give them like loveand like you meet them in person and
they're all too cool and film,which is like, yeah, obviously you're
that's the type of person you wantto be in the long term. But
then you're losing fans at a youngwhen you when your career is still and
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as as a toddler, your careeris never a toddler. It's an infant,
and you're really losing like people tocare for it, and like like
an infant. If it doesn't andanyone to take it's not going to make
it very so definitely like refreshing tohear that you one you actually one of
the artists was because you've seen thechallenge, you understand the work, and
you appreciated it. That's also verynice to listen. But I also want
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to them touch on you said somestruggles. You're saying like you have to
do everything. What would you saythe biggest challenge being as independent artists not
sign to label one and part thesecond part of that question is what are
the other challenges you face? Giventhat you are as ambolburant artists based in
the Midlens and most of the otherartists that you know also are from zim
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so linking and connecting and all that, what are what are the challenges that
you face? I think the biggestchallenge is probably capital. Most people don't
want to admit it, but money. Money is a big factor in listening,
especially in the music game. Alot the majority of songs that you
see on the billboards are there becausethe labels are there backing it with major
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major investments. I'm talking like hundredsof thousands of dollars to make sure that
it's in the right playlist's on theright radio stations. The marketing has to
be on point. They'll they'll giveyou a budget for music videos full thiss
so being a student in the Netherlandsor a student budget, you know,
now paying for high quality like bro. On top of that you have to
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pay bills, like it's a struggle. He is a struggle. But that's
when that's when you that's when yourlove. That's really like with any career,
if you really say that you you'repassionate about something like that, passion
will test you to the limit,to the absolute limit, and we'll see,
like who really wants to do thisand who really doesn't want to do
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it? You know. But aboutyour second question, like linking with other
artists, I think the within itand social media maybe a lot easier than
it would have been five six yearsago because you can send iles remotely,
Like recently, I've been working withGreat Caz, who for me is the
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best records. I know you gaveme that title, but I have to
I have to give it to Ray. Ray. Ray is just he's about
the species man. Like some ofthe songs he sent me Bro. People
actually do not understand just how greatthis guy is. And we were actually
having a conversation a few days backabout having the platform. The platform is
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the only thing listening. Like alot of the artists that we know today,
we think, oh, this guysnew, like he's the new thing
on the block, like who isthis But then you don't actually realize that
this guy's being doing it. Youlook at people like the baby. The
babies ain't doing this thing. It'sjust that the eyes weren't on him until
recently, you know. So theonly thing is the platform. That's the
struggle for ZIM artists as well,because with small fish in the big ass
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pond, you know, we haveto commit with with with artists in the
first world who already have the resources, who already have the access to the
industry to we have to work twiceas hard as debut and like Joe Lords
to protect their music, like youdon't have like one get the song and
everyone shared it on But I likethat because we're actually like one of one
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of our team, one of ourother team members was actually is the interviewing
Raycaz right now as we speak,Like I know I'm not changing my order,
like right now for me, ifI'll give you top five rapers with
no particular order, but this ismy top five rappers Zim right now would
be you obviously the chief. Sheheard of him, Raycaz pend Fresco also
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Pana Frasco. I like, Ilike Street. These covers are crazy,
His covers are crazy. His musicis crazy. He just needs to He
needs more of his music than hiscovers. Although his music is that's but
that he's got. He's onto something. He's onto something, He's onto something.
Definitely, Fresco is the star.Like he's he's seen an opportunity to
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you with that TikTok thing and he'sjust gone straight through. You know,
he's created the whole market for himself. I can say personally, he wouldn't
wouldn't have been something that I wouldhave seen and I would have done.
But he saw wants to show hispersonality and his work for you know,
it's work wonders, you know,so wonderful for sure, and Demon DENNI
was for sure. Dinner was forsure that that kid. Yeah, that
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kid can the way he can justslit from front of to English to friends
and his his his breath control.His is like you can put, he
can like make like eight balls,you can like drop, he can do
like a sixteen ball track. Right, but you're gonna think you dropped at
least thirty two and that he's goingto be great. There's something honorable mentions
obviously got King Pharaoh and Nba NbaNbas. He's coming up, He's coming
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up. Oh yeah, definitely,definitely. How about you. Let's we're
on your end. Just as you'regetting closer to the end, what would
be your top five rappers? Topfive rappids not include myself, probably Ray
cass Uh Sun, Denim Woods,Ray cast On, Denwood's Fresco and number
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five would have to be how canI forget Holy ten? Like it has?
Can we? How can I forgetHoly t? You're actually how can
we forget? That's right right there? Dog. Yeah. So we're coming
closer to the end of the pickand I'm gonna I'm just gonna answer you
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two more questions. First of one, big, so what's coming, what's
what's mixed? Refused? What shouldbe looking? Should we keep an eye
for what? What? What doyou have in for the remaindow of the
year? And two, and yeah, you know, for the rest of
you have more tracks on the way, more singles, currently working on a
debut project. There's no time.I don't want to put a time score
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on it right now because it's stilla work in progress. But I think
probably next year we can we canexpect that to come. So yeah,
for the rest of the year,I just keep dropping more bangings. I'm
here for, keep expanding my son, keep working on my crafts and yeah,
man, twenty twenty two were takingover love. Yeah, so what
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AP is coming? Is it?Is it EPE coming or album coming?
You know? Bro? Like,for me, these titles don't make sense
because I'll see like EPs with liketen fifteen tracks. I'm like, so,
what the fuck is then EP?What is an album? I have?
But I was just gonna even standfor like legit? What does it
stand for? I think it standsfor extended playlists? Yeah, so it's
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an extended blterly is it's definitely goingto back in ten fifteen songs. You're
right, I've actually seen EP liketen fifteen twelve song EP is probably like
five six songs usually, So yeah, right now, I don't know,
probably will be a mixtape I thinkif I was going to call it anything,
I'll probably call it a mixed tip. But yeah, first, on
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Ladies and gentlemen. I'm extremely excited, mainly because this is probably when
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so soon as I sent you them, damn. And then I was like,
oh shit, my guys, truehave you too? Dog and I'll
be looking forward to still coll Lass. So I'm gonna get right into the
music because you ever wanted to talkabout it for a minute, Gone Too
Soon? That's your latest single,am I? Right? Yeah, that's
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the latest single that's just released anddid Literally when it played, everyone was
like, you know, who's this? Who is this? Because I'm currently
based on the States, like theKindrick drop like that, there's not even
Kendrick Like it's giving kin Drick shoutsvibes and all that. So walk me
through the process. How did itcome to you, what inspired it,
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and how long did it take tomake? All? Right, Well,
first of all, thanks for havingme, bro, this is this is
a big look for me. Butyeah, so basically, yeah, I
was just I was in my yardchilling. I was actually about to go
for work. Funny enough really thenyeah, so I'm I'm justcping through beats
on YouTube, right how I do? And I find this beat literally cold,
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Gone too Soon? And I literallyclicked playing the instrumental played about like
five ten seconds and I immediately hadthe hook right there and then immediately yeah,
I just remember making the hook likeI just recorded like young voice voice
not voice note on my on myphone, but I didn't have time to
like work on the verse anything.So that's all I had for the first
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day, and I just remember playingit on my way to work. I
like, yeah, I think Ithink I got one store. I think
we have one. So listen anotherway to work. You're like, get
home and killed this ship as soonas I got home, got to work,
got the first foot, and thenafter the first verse. Yeah,
everything just flowed from there. SoI worked like with the YouTube bits hey
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hey, hey, take live onit anyway, work with the YouTube like
do you do you ask? Doyou have to like dm the guy who
posted it? Do you play them? Or what is that? What happened
with that? So basically, producershave their own channels where they just posted
beats, so if you find abeat you like, you can least the
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beat from them. So they usuallyhave like a separate website where you go
pay for the lease, so theleases aren't too expensive, like most leases
around twenty bucks. So yeah,this one was around twenty So this I
think a lot of people actually don'tknow that there are a lot of very
talented producers on YouTube. This particularguy who made the gone Too student,
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he just recently. He just recentlygot a placement with Push Your Tea.
Really yeah, so funny enough actuallystanding the song after I've made it and
he was like, yo, bro, this is one of the best joints
that's been sent to me. AndI was like, yo, that was
a big look for me, especiallyknowing that he's working with people Push the
Tea. To know someone like thatactually was actually going to partically you're working
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with push it. If we're beinglegit, yeah, I am drinking to
a guy who was well, yeah, but yeah, man, process was
just natural, you know, whichis how when you're making music you never
want to force anything. You never, I don't know, try and be
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something that you know, which wasone of the motivation songs, Like I
noticed it. There wasn't there weren'tmany people doing that, you know,
funky so for yeah, right upmy lane. Like most of my influences
are like Anderson Pack, Mac Miller, Kendrick. I actually want to say
that I want to Anderson peg withKendrick and tell the vibe for like a
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seconds. So let's go to thelyrics. It seems like you're cyndric or,
which is the reason why, Likejust for the people listening, we'll
use for the first sort of themental health that were launching. We used
going too Soon for it because wefelt like it was like in line with
what we were talking about, andit was also it had like we saw
like a funky vibe. We're talkingabout something serious, and when it comes
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to mental health, many people it'smore serious. People like or everyone is
like it's a very sad topic perse. But then the way we want
to do it and the way thatevery devibe your song was giving but we
want to talk about it was somethingthat differently needs to be talked about,
but at the same time, wedon't need to make it a sad situation.
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Yeah, bro, you get nailright on the dot. So basically,
like with the title of the song, as soon as I saw the
title of the beat, I'm like, gone to soon? What can I
make that be about? So youknow, the chorus goes, I don't
want to be gone too soon?So I live. You know, I
got much more to give basically,So it's basically just like knowing that you
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have so much potential within you thatyou don't want to see it go to
waste. You know. That's that'sone of my biggest fears, like knowing
that I have this gift and thenjust not doing anything with it, or
you know, looking more seriously,maybe I could die tomorrow. I could
die. You know, I haveto live for today. I have to
live go after what I want toachieve right now, because you know,
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tomorrow is promise to anyone. Youknow, there was a part I want
to ask the three parts of thesong that I want like a lion.
So like at the beginning, whenyou're like, waitun til I c I
E. You can see all thepain in my ei ees see. So
when you're talking about the pain inyour eyes, which obviously which I like,
by the way, that's all spellingit out, actually added to the
floor and I was like, withstep Mother, I'm fan going on right
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now the song. I was reallyenjoying it. But when you're talking about
the pain are you mainly what painare you talking about? In this particular
case. I just think it's likethe pain of being a human. I
know. That's like, okay,go on. I like that. I
like it, like the general statement. It's just like talking about those feelings
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that we all get, you know, when you go through grief, when
you go through portrayal, heartbreak,frustration, like for the past two or
three years. I'm sure anyone who'sanyone who knows me has noticed that I
hadn't dropped music for like two years. Yeah, we actually need to discuss
that you left us out your hangingbro. So basically the backdrop to the
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story is I get to UNI rightand immediately I try to find the studio
to a court and can't find anywhere, literally anywhere. It was just one
place in Amsterdam. That quote tome, the price of like five hundred
years for a five dollars session onefive is insane and I'm like, are
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you are you serious? So Ilook online and then I see that there's
people who've made their own home studiosfor like for this price, like five
hundred years, they bought all theequipment and everything. So I'm like,
my friend group, I've noticed aguy who makes music, you know,
and it's kind of messed up tobe the guy who doesn't have any music.
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Like people hit me up like yo, what's the new music world?
And I'm like, I don't haveanything to like some Bamias voice. It's
just not it's not a good lookat all. So I'm like, you
know what, now, let melet me buy my own equipment, let
me learn how to make music myself. And I thought, Okay, once
I get the equipment, it's helplike I'm back in the game. And
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for some strange reason, once Ibought the equipment, I don't know,
it made me feel like my dreamjust got more real than it was before.
Like before I got the equipment,I'm like, maybe this is just
a pipe tree. Maybe I'm justnot meant to do this, you know,
all these sorts just your head.But I'm like, nah, this
is what I love to do.I have to I have to do this.
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So it was literally like this pastyear in Lockdown, where I just
like knuckled down and really locked inand you know, focused on just perfecting
my craft or level where I wascomfortable sharing it out with the world,
you know. Like that, andthe fact that it's also going to branch
into the next part of the songthat also asked but like when you're saying
I think you're saying all summer along, I'll split along the couch, my
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mother could vouch that I was justtrying to find my way out. I
think you said the beasts belly orsome of it. They said the beast
billy and then you found yeah,trying to find my way out the belly
of the beast. Basically, yeah, like a high school I was.
I was a guy who just didenough to get back. Like a trade,
a student, you just matter yourown business, did I just did
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my own thing. But like,I come from a family where excellence is
expected, So I always felt likethat pressure to achieve. But I didn't
feel like I had something you know, you know, that was mine that
I could be, Like, Yo, if I really knuckle down and do
this, I could really I couldreally be something that was that wasn't until
I found music, you know.That way, you didn't go and say,
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and I feel like I'm under siege, Like stay out of that,
get out of the belly of thebeast. You're like, I feel like
I'm at the siege. Would thesiege be the pishures that you were experiencing
from the families? Yeah, basicallythe pressure from family, basically pressure from
friends, from society, you know, blow up, you know what I
mean? So when I say whensummers in the college, that was literally
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me like most summers, I'll justbe cabins, doing nothing, chilling when
I could have been working, whenI could have been, you know,
socializing more, going out more,which is one thing I think I should
have done more in high school.But just looking back now, it's like
being okay with being average just becameunacceptable for me. Like I was like,
no, if I really want toachieve what I want to achieve,
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Like, there has to be awork ethic, there has to be like
a standard of excellence that I needto aspire to to reach. So that
was literally like the motivation. That'sbeen the motivation for the past year and
a half. You know, itwas funny, but I'm sorry, this
is but saying I was I didn'twant to at some point being comfortable simple
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because the next bar to ask iswhen you say you don't believe us you
are all low achievers, haven't alwaysbeen the most eager of the Oh,
like you like everything you say,Like the philosophical consistency in your trak is
showing even with the way you thinkand speak, which is insane. Yeah,
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so I'm literally just like giving you, giving you me, giving my
feelings, Like yo, this ishow I felt. But I realized the
way I was going about this wrongand I need to I need to change.
Like the last line was like Ihad a wadmit I needed some help.
It was that for my dreams inthe shelf, I couldn't do it.
I couldn't do it. Sorry,I don't think you understand this each
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time, Like all right, obviouslyin the last year, you you and
I know the people in our circleswho know about three people who have died
by suits the love in the box, Yeah, which is crazy, like
it got it meant so it justread my mind has beat by thirty percent
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in the last ten years. Soobviously watching it and it hits different people
that you know, like closer tohome. So obviously, like I was,
we have with the church b weneed to do something because I so
a conversation with a conversation that needsto be had. And I was like
I was like really stuck, likehow am I going to do this?
Well? What what what is theodor of episodes that I'm going to do?
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Like how am I going to startit? And then you drop the
song and I just clicked like onyour bio download it on my phone.
It just never got to dinner andlisten to the one that was driving home,
Like just then it comes on,I'm like, wait to pull up,
and it's not so mellow. Itsounds like the opening of IF if
it's for family type thing, youknow, it's like really like said,
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and then the song drops, I'mlike, oh shit. And it's also
talking about going too soon, whichhit home, which hit differently considered what
had happened, and going into thewoods, and then right out of the
song, You're exactly what I wasgonna do with metal. So that's how
I'm like really focusing on this songthat I really want to know what happened,
and now that I know, it'slike really sad, it's fun to
be honest, and for me personally, I can't speak for everyone else.
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I'm never gonna say thank you forreleasing that shit because that was actually hot,
that's for sure. For mind,I appreciate it, Bro, I
appreciate it. So the first songyou released IF, I'm not sure if
it was, but that was thefirst song I heard from you. I
trod on SoundCloud. I think Iwas twenty sixteen. I think it's twenty
seventeen, twenty seventeen, twenty seventeen. Yeah, yeah, is that was
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that like your first song that youreleased or yeah, that was that was
my first on the song. Iremember, I remember writing it and I
remember the studio session. M hm, like I thought it was the greatest
song ever released. I remember.I actually DM like every celebrity you can
think of, I'm like, yo, we learned to listen to this,
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y'all got to listen to this,bro like we lived in the talk.
But like I still, like I'veseen like a lot of people like delete
their old songs from their profiles becauselike you know, it wasn't up to
scratch to what they are now.But like for me, I just keep
them up there because it's like motivationand it's just a reminder for me of
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like how far I've come with mysong from those days to now. It's
like Madden Day, you know whatI mean. But the thing is,
that's the thing you're saying, likehow far have come? But you've been
like fire from the start, likefrom the time you drobted first. I
didn't say it to you, butlike I was, remember I was talking
to Think Jordan, like one ofthe time before you guys made this song,
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I was like, I don't know, who can know Kenny makes music,
but those guys onto something and theworst not is you like drop the
song and you wouldn't even station.We don't even tell anybody. He was
just dropping right and now listen,I'm like, now this guy's onto something.
And then like I'm going to andthen you drop another song with Jordan
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the Free Start. It was prettyfire again. But I also like to
know is when you drop the firstsong when you knew you want to do
something in music or that's more ofyou knew for a while and took courage
to drop the first one. Yeah, Like literally, I've wanted to make
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music since I was like twelve.I remember, I actually remember me and
Daryl Ghanna were now grade seven whatdo you call it? We had like
we had like before zim sake exams. We're like we had like study sessions
and our teachers, teachers Kevin SoI remember telling him one day like,
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YO, want a wrap this niggalooked at me like what do you mean?
Yeah? Cool? And you know, like your grade seven like anybody,
like if I was to ask youwhat you wanted to be in grade
seven, like niggas wanted to beSuperman, you know what? I mean,
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yeah, lawyers and digital stuff.So like grade seven, I used
to just send my whole means likewraps I make on my phone. Those
days, you just send them overtext, like literally the worst raps,
the most cheesy wraps. It willbe like across the street wearing Ja's called
it Jay walk. Yeah, bro, like like back in the day,
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Wheezy was my guy, Like Wheezyyay Drake, Like those are like the
ghosts to me, like even thoughstill even though Kanye hasn't dropped off the
nigga but anyways, but yeah,from those days, and you wanted to
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wrap, but then for me,it was still kind of like a hobby.
Was like semi seriously, I didn'tknow if I was really gonna wrap.
And then I remember, I thinkit was formed two. I had
to hold me a tage who cameto me just randomly came to me with
like this freestyle that he made andI remember here style, and in my
mind, I was like, Yo, that shit's fire. But I was
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just like, I'm like, youthink you can wrap, wait, let
me go Calvins and I'll end yourwhole career started. It was even started.
So yeah, I go home andI just make like an eight bar
wrap. I don't know if Istill remember the lines, but like his
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reaction, his like facial reaction,just let me know, like, oh,
okay, maybe I'm onto something.So I remember that week I went
home and then I did a remixof pound Cake by Drake, sent it
to another one whom Hei's and he'slike, he was like, bro,
I would lie. I thought thiswas going to be absolutely terrible, but
nah, you've actually got something.So it was just that encouragement early on,
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let me know, Okay, maybeI could I could do this for
really you know. So, butit was seven you say this was for
this was now in Form two,wasn't it? Yeah? Form two for
two for two. That's like alittle fourteen years so from fourteen and you
only dropped in. And if youonly dropped in twenty seventeen, twenty seventeen,
you're eighteen, So it took youfour years to drop your first song.
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Why take you so long? Ithink it was just like access to
like studios. Basically I didn't knowlike where to record, where to find
the studio. It was actually Darylwho who told me where he recorded,
which is where I went to recordmy first song, first impression. So
if I had access to like equipmentearlier on then then then I probably would
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have dropped. But just it wasjust a question of like having the resources
at the time, you know whatI mean. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
definitely. Like from what I'm hearing, it seems like you've actually been
onto something for a while now,and it's just it's just I don't know
if it's fortunate or unfortunate that peoplejust don't know that you're out there yet.
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But literally, for me, whatis it. I'm like, is
there a reason why you don't marketextra or you just want it to be
more authentic and natural? No,the marketing side, I do admit that's
that's an area where I need toimprove. Like that's not lost on me.
Like for me, the marketing teamis like two thirds of the rule
with this music thing, Like it'salright, being good, but if no
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one knows, then what's the point. So in the coming months and years,
that's one thing that I do needto improve on. It's just that
maybe earlier on, like if thiswas two or three years ago, I
would be like, nah, Idon't mean you need to do our marketing
thing. I'm really into ig likethat, I just do need you know
what I mean. But now,like music is basically it's basically like entrep
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inertship. It is. Yeah,so I'm saying it's basically basically like entrepreneurship.
With a major label behind you,you're the one who has to market
yourself. You're the one who hasto find other artists to work with.
You know, you really need topush your own sound otherwise you know,
there's no one else to do itfor you. So yeah, that's that's
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But like I said earlier, likeI'm not really worried about my lack of
a following right now because I doappreciate the fact that I do have,
and I just know, like themore I work, the more I grow,
Like it's just a matter of time. You know, There's no point
in me being envious of other peoplehaving more followers, more likes, more
clicks on the songs, you know, because everyone deserves the success that they've
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had because people have worked for it. So if you haven't worked for that
sense, how can you expect tohave that success? You know, it's
actually refreshing to hear that you're alot of I'm mainly like in a rush
to get to the top and endup like and what I also like what
I was the reason I also likeif I'm being on as well, what
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actually maybe like turn me into likea few signs like real, it's a
lot of like them artists. Wehave a lot of talent in them,
I'm sure if you see, likea lot of guys are very good,
but they get many more success likeminimal success, minimal like a little bit
of for lack of a better term, clubs and the right assume that they've
arrived and now they start acting likeyou know, like big like decide like
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little babies, like you have toyou have to go through for my people
to be able to get to me, or you try to read them,
like try to give them like loveand like you meet them in person and
they're all too cool and film,which is like, yeah, obviously you're
that's the type of person you wantto be in the long term. But
then you're losing fans at a youngwhen you when your career is still and
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as as a toddler, your careeris never a toddler. It's an infant,
and you're really losing like people tocare for it, and like like
an infant. If it doesn't andanyone to take it's not going to make
it very so definitely like refreshing tohear that you one you actually one of
the artists was because you've seen thechallenge, you understand the work, and
you appreciated it. That's also verynice to listen. But I also want
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to them touch on you said somestruggles. You're saying like you have to
do everything. What would you saythe biggest challenge being as independent artists not
sign to label one and part thesecond part of that question is what are
the other challenges you face? Giventhat you are as ambolburant artists based in
the Midlens and most of the otherartists that you know also are from zim
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so linking and connecting and all that, what are what are the challenges that
you face? I think the biggestchallenge is probably capital. Most people don't
want to admit it, but money. Money is a big factor in listening,
especially in the music game. Alot the majority of songs that you
see on the billboards are there becausethe labels are there backing it with major
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major investments. I'm talking like hundredsof thousands of dollars to make sure that
it's in the right playlist's on theright radio stations. The marketing has to
be on point. They'll they'll giveyou a budget for music videos full thiss
so being a student in the Netherlandsor a student budget, you know,
now paying for high quality like bro. On top of that you have to
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pay bills, like it's a struggle. He is a struggle. But that's
when that's when you that's when yourlove. That's really like with any career,
if you really say that you you'repassionate about something like that, passion
will test you to the limit,to the absolute limit, and we'll see,
like who really wants to do thisand who really doesn't want to do
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it? You know. But aboutyour second question, like linking with other
artists, I think the within itand social media maybe a lot easier than
it would have been five six yearsago because you can send iles remotely,
Like recently, I've been working withGreat Caz, who for me is the
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best records. I know you gaveme that title, but I have to
I have to give it to Ray. Ray. Ray is just he's about
the species man. Like some ofthe songs he sent me Bro. People
actually do not understand just how greatthis guy is. And we were actually
having a conversation a few days backabout having the platform. The platform is
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the only thing listening. Like alot of the artists that we know today,
we think, oh, this guysnew, like he's the new thing
on the block, like who isthis But then you don't actually realize that
this guy's being doing it. Youlook at people like the baby. The
babies ain't doing this thing. It'sjust that the eyes weren't on him until
recently, you know. So theonly thing is the platform. That's the
struggle for ZIM artists as well,because with small fish in the big ass
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pond, you know, we haveto commit with with with artists in the
first world who already have the resources, who already have the access to the
industry to we have to work twiceas hard as debut and like Joe Lords
to protect their music, like youdon't have like one get the song and
everyone shared it on But I likethat because we're actually like one of one
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of our team, one of ourother team members was actually is the interviewing
Raycaz right now as we speak,Like I know I'm not changing my order,
like right now for me, ifI'll give you top five rapers with
no particular order, but this ismy top five rappers Zim right now would
be you obviously the chief. Sheheard of him, Raycaz pend Fresco also
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Pana Frasco. I like, Ilike Street. These covers are crazy,
His covers are crazy. His musicis crazy. He just needs to He
needs more of his music than hiscovers. Although his music is that's but
that he's got. He's onto something. He's onto something, He's onto something.
Definitely, Fresco is the star.Like he's he's seen an opportunity to
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you with that TikTok thing and he'sjust gone straight through. You know,
he's created the whole market for himself. I can say personally, he wouldn't
wouldn't have been something that I wouldhave seen and I would have done.
But he saw wants to show hispersonality and his work for you know,
it's work wonders, you know,so wonderful for sure, and Demon DENNI
was for sure. Dinner was forsure that that kid. Yeah, that
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kid can the way he can justslit from front of to English to friends
and his his his breath control.His is like you can put, he
can like make like eight balls,you can like drop, he can do
like a sixteen ball track. Right, but you're gonna think you dropped at
least thirty two and that he's goingto be great. There's something honorable mentions
obviously got King Pharaoh and Nba NbaNbas. He's coming up, He's coming
(26:48):
up. Oh yeah, definitely,definitely. How about you. Let's we're
on your end. Just as you'regetting closer to the end, what would
be your top five rappers? Topfive rappids not include myself, probably Ray
cass Uh Sun, Denim Woods,Ray cast On, Denwood's Fresco and number
(27:14):
five would have to be how canI forget Holy ten? Like it has?
Can we? How can I forgetHoly t? You're actually how can
we forget? That's right right there? Dog. Yeah. So we're coming
closer to the end of the pickand I'm gonna I'm just gonna answer you
(27:37):
two more questions. First of one, big, so what's coming, what's
what's mixed? Refused? What shouldbe looking? Should we keep an eye
for what? What? What doyou have in for the remaindow of the
year? And two, and yeah, you know, for the rest of
you have more tracks on the way, more singles, currently working on a
debut project. There's no time.I don't want to put a time score
(28:00):
on it right now because it's stilla work in progress. But I think
probably next year we can we canexpect that to come. So yeah,
for the rest of the year,I just keep dropping more bangings. I'm
here for, keep expanding my son, keep working on my crafts and yeah,
man, twenty twenty two were takingover love. Yeah, so what
(28:22):
AP is coming? Is it?Is it EPE coming or album coming?
You know? Bro? Like,for me, these titles don't make sense
because I'll see like EPs with liketen fifteen tracks. I'm like, so,
what the fuck is then EP?What is an album? I have?
But I was just gonna even standfor like legit? What does it
stand for? I think it standsfor extended playlists? Yeah, so it's
(28:45):
an extended blterly is it's definitely goingto back in ten fifteen songs. You're
right, I've actually seen EP liketen fifteen twelve song EP is probably like
five six songs usually, So yeah, right now, I don't know,
probably will be a mixtape I thinkif I was going to call it anything,
I'll probably call it a mixed tip. But yeah, first, on
(29:07):
the chat Room, let's make thatclear. Chatroom was the first to get
the exclusive from Feuds on this trackand the fact that Mixed Up is coming.
Thanks for joining, man, appreciateyou. We're definitely looking forward to
what's coming up, and I wishyou nothing but the best of luck in
this music industry. And on theoff of the chatroom, I generally want
you to actually make it not onlyfor us, but for you too,
(29:30):
like people need to hear your music, bro, Like people need to Thanks
now, sup, we're taking over, But yeah, thank you for having
me. It's been it's been anhonor. You guys are doing your thing,
like you guys have created a wholenew market with this podcasting, and
it's just been so refreshing. LikeI even forgot to say, like I've
(29:51):
been tuning in to the episodes.You guys cover so many topics and it's
so interesting and so refreshing because it'sone thing that I've I've been thinking about,
like why do we have enough podcasts? Like why don't we have people
actually talking about real issues that matter? But that's why we have That's why
we have you. That's why wehave to you know you guys, that
means a lot. It's a lotof closed doors in the podcast industry.
(30:15):
We're coming from business in podcast alot of closed doors that you literally have
to like force open. I'm inthe area from you. Appreciate that now,
so love, Thank you for hoppingon and to our listeners, we
who have fuses links, all thelinks, I'm gonna drop these links Instagram,
Twitter, it's my space. Y'allneed to hear this man, so
we're gonna starve in the description andalso stay tuned to more episodes coming.
(30:38):
Like I mentioned earlier, Raycaz shouldbe dropping, should have all by the
time. By the time this isy'all heard him last week, so go
back listen to that. Listen toFuse and Mental Heart. Series will be
on YouTube and on all podcasts andon all podcasts platforms on the first of
September. That's when the first episodeis dropping. And thank you for tuning
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