May 20, 2025 • 33 mins
In this episode of Sounds From The Dockside, Yorkshire-based singer-songwriter Sam Scherdel shares his journey from a young music enthusiast in Mexborough to an emerging star in the UK music scene. We explore his early influences, the transition from a stable career as a building surveyor to pursuing music full-time, and the creative processes behind his songwriting. Sam also discusses the dynamics of live performances, offers insights into the current music landscape, and emphasizes the importance of self-confidence and investment in one's craft.
This episode is sponsored by DocksFest—North East Lincolnshire's premier live music festival—taking place on Saturday, 5th July 2025, at the Meridian Showground in Cleethorpes. The festival boasts an impressive line-up, including:
This episode is sponsored by DocksFest—North East Lincolnshire's premier live music festival—taking place on Saturday, 5th July 2025, at the Meridian Showground in Cleethorpes. The festival boasts an impressive line-up, including:
- The Charlatans
Renowned for hits like "The Only One I Know" and "North Country Boy," The Charlatans have cemented their place as one of the UK's most beloved bands. - Ash
This Northern Irish pop-punk band, known for singles such as "Girl From Mars" and "Shining Light," brings their energetic performance to the DocksFest stage. - Maximo Park
With a catalogue including "Apply Some Pressure" and "Books From Boxes," Maximo Park delivers their distinctive alternative rock sound. - Corella
Manchester-based indie-pop band Corella, featuring Immingham's own Joel Smith, offers tropical tones and emotive lyricism. - Coach Party
Hailing from the Isle of Wight, Coach Party blends grunge-pop with witty lyrics, drawing inspiration from bands like Nirvana and Wolf Alice. 6 - EVER
A high-energy alt-rock band from Cleethorpes, EVER has gained a strong fanbase with singles like "Don't Know How to Love." - Last of the Wonder Kids
Grimsby's own, this band mixes fuzzy melodies and garage psych riffs, celebrated for their high-energy live shows.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We started bands when we were sort of twelve thirteen.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
We were dreadful as there's you always are die age.
But I can remember I was actually in a band
with Mike. Came from the horizon. Oh okay, he went
to my second Yeah, yeah, years older than he was.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
He expressed the interesting issue and he played back around
grabbing a racal with with mum's house.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Within that time, I were a building surrena as well.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
It's not like I weren't doing music, but I was
doing music for the wrong read not playing bars, and
I mean we're only quite a lot of money just
playing covers. I can't and I tell people now I
used to do a covers gig and I had this
kind of depression after it. Music was always something that
gone back to, I think, evening away from it, within
(00:46):
the line, I've always gone back to it, and I
think I've accepted now it's got to be a part
part of the existence, and if it's not, I'm not
going to be happy.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
That's what we'd forward to this one mate, me too.
For those listening at home, Today's guest has been making
huge waves in the music scene since twenty twenty two.
You might have seen him at Glastonbury last year or
more recently on tour with Chesney Hawk good Man.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Well, that were good. That were memorable, really memorable.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
It's been branded South Yorkshires Springsteen and I can't wait
to get into it. So welcome Sam. How's it going,
It's good.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
I'm good mate, Yeah, glod to be good.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
So straight into it. I read in an article that
your mum used to play Springsteen's songs around the house
when he was growing up.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
She did, Yeah, among some of the things that Springsteen
ari David Bowie. The Springsteen thing came from a song
that I put out in twenty twenty three, a song
called Balloon and it's still one that we played live
and still one that fans really want.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Joe Burn to run I believe. Yeah, well I said
that in an interview. But it was like the instrumentation
on it and stuff. There were references, but do you
know what I mean? It wasn't as obvious as as
you'd think.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
But yeah, and from that, that's where that kind of
came from.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
And I'm just running down, do you know what?
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Yeah, take us back to the start painting a picture
for uscause you're from Sheffield.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Originally.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
I Yeah, from a town called Mexborough, which is sort
of in between Doncaster and Sheffield.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yeah, it's a junie in Sheffield.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Started doing a lot of open mikes and gigs in
Sheffield in my twenties, but then it kind of tear
off and I was always kind of based Sheffield.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Yeah, let's take it back before the music, So try
and paint a picture for us. What was it like
growing up in xpread in the night's ice shame?
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yeah, expers. I still like to visit my It's full
of characters, do you know what I mean? Work.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
It's a working class town, some great pubs in Mexborough,
and I still like visiting.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Like I said, I've still got a lot of family
here as well. And yeah, I mean pretty normal. There
were there were no nothing really stood out as really
different from a normal working class bring.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
I can remember when I got secondary school.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
I never really enjoyed secondary school, and if anyone ever
asked me about secondary school, it's never a particularly happy
point in my life. But what I can remember about
secondary schoolers there were a youth club in Mexpra and
within that youth club, some guys who were working there
built a recording studio, and I can remember just wanting
(03:45):
to finish school and get to that recording studio.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
And we started bands when we were sort of twelve thirteen.
We were dreadful, as as you always are a die age.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
But I can remember I was actually in a band
with mart Keane from the Horizon, Okay, but he went
to my second Yeah, three.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Years older than he was.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
He expressed the interesting issue and he played back around
grabbing with Matt my mum's house in Mountain Street and Maxworth. Yeah,
I think I must have been twelve a Mat fourteen.
We were in a band called Sthr. He's obviously going
on to do spectacular things.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Well you're well on your way as well. Now, so
was your mom and dad both there growing up?
Speaker 2 (04:28):
No, I grew up with my mum. I still see.
There were no animosity between the wom and dad. They
were all like broke.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Rown just yeah, really close to my dad and his partner.
And Yeah, It's music was always something that I ran
back to, and I think even tried to fear away
from it within the life. I've always gone back to it,
and I think I've accepted now it's got to be
(04:56):
a part part of the existence and if it's not,
I'm not going to be happy.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
I need I need to be around it.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
So, you know, growing up listening to Bowie and listening
to things like Springsteen, what what was the catalyst for
you actually thinking I want I want to pick up
an instrument. I want to start learning and singing for
that matter, as are.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
I mean, while my mum did play them records, that
wasn't the kind of stuff that was into. Like do
you remember when first I grew up and my friends
at school we were into like metal and grunge and
things like that. And I can remember turning into an
hosted teenager thirteen fourteen, and you know Kbaine speaks to
(05:36):
with teenagers and you know what I mean, And it
was it was And I think because when you listen
to Navana and we are now accessible, riffs and things happen.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
They're pretty easy to pick up. And I was.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
I was self taught on self talking guitar and that's
self talk and piano as well.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
But of course of the rifts and stuff with that access, yeah, easy.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
To learn it kind of it won't be along and
give me the encouragement to carry on.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I wouldn't say, I'm a particularly good.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Particularly skilled guitaristorp pianist, but I can do enough.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
To get by.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Yeah, so you needn't look that's it, and it's my
writing comes from a place of melody and really basic chords,
to be honest with you.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
And yeah, it's the Barns just basic, so basic.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
And it resonated with a lot of people. I wonder
if it's because you know that Seattle grunge, like it
rains a lot in Seattle. Yeah, and I wonder if
some of that, if it resonates with us, particularly up
here and the not off, Like, I wonder if there's
an element of that, you know, it's like it's like
especially in the lyrics.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
I'm right now, there's like a determination and stuff that
you could that you can hear in the our vocals
are delivered and the lyrics and stuff like that, like
not going to give a kind of thing. We've been
to Cheese and I Suppo was back to the s.
The broke Springsteen kind of ibe as well.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (07:02):
He's from that working class we'll call the background.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Yeah, definitely, there's links, there's always links within music. Definitely.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
It was a brilliant songwriter and I love Springsteen grown up. Yeah,
thought it was great. So before committing to music, I
read that you as a building surveyor. And if I'm right,
it was twenty twenty two, wasn't it when he decided
he was going to sort of launch a music career,
wasn't it?
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Am I right? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (07:28):
What happened there? Because that correct me? If I'm wrong,
That's considered quite a good job. Isn't it quite quite
a lucrative job? So what what's you know?
Speaker 2 (07:37):
What?
Speaker 3 (07:37):
What was the catalyst for that?
Speaker 2 (07:38):
What made you think? Fuck?
Speaker 3 (07:39):
So I'm going to jump into music head first because
it was clearly the right decision, and you must have
done it with some sort of.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Yeah, there were a lot of moving parts to that decision,
but I think so. When I left school it was
sort of sixteen seventeen, kicked out of six form. So
I went to music college first.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
I went.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
I Can't in Rotherham BRINGI arise on th as well.
The Mail were in the class next to me as well,
from prim Horizon.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
And yeah, I can't.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
I never really got on with it, but I did
learn some fundamentals and pop music in that one year
that I was there, I dropped out. I had no
direction and working as a roof for laborer for a
couple of years, and my uncle decided that I had
a bit of brain on my head and he kind
of put me from college course and I kind of
just fell into the survey. It weren't weren't decision that one. Yeah,
(08:38):
I think I got offered a job that were about
twenty grand or twenty years old, and I felt Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
You know what I mean. But it was but yeah,
I kind of fell into it. And then.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
When I put my mind to something I've always seemed
to do, you know what I mean, If I do
by myself to it, I can.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
I did quite in that company.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
But I did it for about ten years, and then
I think a couple of emotions, and then they turned
around one day and said you're getting reddon.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Some big fut in it. Yeah, And there were a
few things happening in.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
The personal life that worked great, and I just COVID
happened as well, so that you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
There were, like I said, there were a lot of
moving parts and.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Came to a head, all boiled up to a head.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
That's it. And it's like within that time, I were
a building Surrea as well.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
It's not like I weren't doing music, but I was
doing music for the wrong reason, playing bars and yeah,
I mean, we're only quite.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
A lot of money just playing covers.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
I can't And I tell people now, I used to
do a covers gig and I had this kind of
depression after it.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
It just felt wrong with selling yourself.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
It felt awful and it felt I mean it was
great that.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
I mean, I invested some of that money quite wisely,
which has helped me out big time. Now do you
know what I mean in terms of music is not cheap?
Speaker 2 (10:01):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (10:02):
And tell me about the nut I invest. I invest
that wise then it's it's allowed me to do, do
you know what I mean? Spend the money properly, spend
the money on proper producers and give the music. Because
if you if you're going to do your music, people
ask me, watch I'll be spending your money. Your music
is the first thing you need to spend.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Ye. It's like I was speaking to a band the
other day.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
And they said, well, how much I'll be spending on
a single and the Tommy figure, that's just you're not
going to get anywhere with that?
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Do you know what I mean? It's like, if your
songs are that good, invested the money in them. Yeah,
do you know what I mean? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Well, I'm in the studio next week. Well this this
week is starting Saturday at Chapel Studios. Great players can't
wait to go. We're playing five grand. We've got five
days there. But obviously some of that's going to be
for mixing time, and.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
You've got to work with producers as well.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
It's like you can go to a studio and you
compare to hundred and fifty quick and you can work
with an engineer, but an engineer is not a producer,
do you know what I mean? You need to have
a producer in there. My music really started to get
better when I had someday to bounce off music.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
And you locked in with the producer.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Then I worked with.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
I'm the last ep. I worked with two different producers.
So there's tracks by two different producers and I built
really good relationships for them both. The one that I'm
working with, which might touch on later on, is I'm
working with a producer in the Sheffield from June, and
so I'm going to see how that goes, it's a
really big opportunity for us.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
So I'm to see your single balloon touched on it earlier.
I'm all right and thinking the brass section was recorded
over in Nashville. Yes, how did that come about?
Speaker 2 (11:51):
So?
Speaker 1 (11:54):
As I just mentioned so in COVID when just before
I'm kind of planning this this release campaign and to
start releasing me on music. In twenty seventeen, I went
to a studio called steel Works in Shefford and working
with guy called Dada Thompson. He made a band called
Alvarez Kings and they did.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Really well in America, and he moved.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
He met a girl and he moved out there. But
aid him with the first guy that felt really comfortable
working in.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
The studio with.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
And I'd always had like a basic setup at home
with many keyboard and some basic microphones and stuff.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
And I sent him a song one day and I said,
what can you do with this?
Speaker 1 (12:39):
If I recording everything with my own studio, send it
you what can you do?
Speaker 2 (12:44):
And he sent me back.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
First track we did with a track called Early Morning
Rain which is on Spotify. And yeah, we did that
with basic Mida drums, so we didn't have a real
drummer on that, which is Sacleagel and looking back, I
shouldn't put out, but I did. I can't tell of
some of the pro some of the programers now are
they are leave saying yeah, they are genuinely insane what
(13:09):
you can get now? But so we did that, and
then obviously I was planned. I think I released three
songs in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
It we're all.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Just dipping my toy war and seeing what worked, seeing
what didn't and putting stuff online and ad I started
get to anyone that is just starting out is just
put something out.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
I sat on songs for twelve years thinking this is yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
This, and as soon as I did want to like
that way hour off an hour away. And that's the best, definite,
the best bit of advice. Don't be scared and just
put it out. If it's ship, you can put something
else out, do you know, Yeah, you learn from your
mistakes and put the band always turned to me in
(13:57):
the same I love that song.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
And I just I look at settlists. I don't like that.
But yeah balloon, Yeah I've lost the tray of the
phone now.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Sorry, I was just going to get onto what what
was the sort of at first, that's about how did
the brass section think? Oh yeah, I was just going
to ask more more in general, how did that song about?
What was the what was the process for writing that song?
Where did it come from?
Speaker 2 (14:21):
That?
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Was it something you'd been setting for a while or that.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
One came quite quick? And yeah, we're in a bit
of a dark place in my life at that time.
And the line let me float away, there's like references
to to a signing there and.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Stuff like that. That's the song is called bloom float
Away and whatnot.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
And it's like to pause with a really happy song,
but it's like, yeah, two different fever and concurrently you've
got the happy music and the really sadricks.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
And yeah, I've always liked that song.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
When we played that song live, it's remember when we're
doing the brass section, so I could actually see the
brass being recorded, so that the video in it at
the same time like on a live stream were it
were awesome, But yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
The drums were done in Nashville and the brass were done. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Yeah, Would you like to do any more clubs like
that in the future moving forward?
Speaker 1 (15:17):
I would, But I mean, I'm slowly touched with aid
and I'll always will always be a dear friend of
mine because how much you helped me.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
And I almost believing when I first.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Started out, But I don't know. It's I like to
be in a room with somebody having an argument with
somebody about that, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (15:36):
And I think that a good producy you should be
looking on with. Yeah, definitely there should be some friction,
some healthy friction. You do you do.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
You like the process of recording? Enjoy because I really
enjoy it, you know. I enjoy all the elements writing
a song, performed a song, recording a song. But there's
something about really sitting down with something and other trying
different guitars on certain parts and different effects, and really
hashing out with your mates. Is something really, really really
(16:07):
cathartic about that, isn't I?
Speaker 1 (16:09):
It is, And it's kind of I love the writing
process just as much as the recording.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
I mean, I still do exactly what I did with it.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Whereas I'll put the full kind of song together, the drums,
I'll play the pianos, maybe arrange from strings, I'll play
the guitars, I'll put a basic ball down and then
I'll take you to a producer who I can hope
well mm hmm, bring it more to life. Yeah, yeah,
it's I love both processes.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
I mean, been doing it today in Sheffield is Yeah,
That's what I live for, definitely.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
So in one of your songs, boy you Fell to
Earth is a tribute to your son, I believe, isn't that?
So the showcase is a more introspective side of your
songwright And so how do you like to use things
like fatherhood, any other experiences in your life to shape
your song?
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Right?
Speaker 1 (17:18):
And it's the only song that I've done And well,
it were actually we were going to I don't know
or mentioning that was there. I suppose I did try
and launch the career once in twenty seventeen, but I
never really had the right I don't know, the directions stuff,
and he never really got off Brown but.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Blueprint for it kind of thing, I'll tell you what
it were.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
We started a band and we went out of Sam
Still and the Fix, and it kind of made the
mistake of doing it with people who are really close
with and yeah, it didn't work because I were too
familiar with the band and stuff like that, and he
kind of just fizzled.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Out and death.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
But that BOYL fell to work with a track from
those kind of sessions, written very very quickly. It's got
some lovely chords in there. I couldn't tell you what
they are, but I know how to play one.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Do you prefer being sort of the leader of a band?
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Do you?
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Like you said you with some of your songwriting, you'll
map everything out and then take it to the producer.
Is that how you kind of prefer working. You couldn't
see yourself as somebody front in the band. It's more
Sam and his band?
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Is that? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Sounding like a complete blanky Yeah, it's how it is
for some people.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Yes, it's how it is, and it works for some
people like it. My singer turn out and said, I
want to be the leader of this band. It wouldn't
work because we've not set up in that context. But
someone like yourself, you're the singer songwriter at the end
of the day there and it's it's up to you
how you put your songs out.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
I do do a lot of the work initially, so
it's well built, particularly now, extremely good and competent set
of musicians around.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
But I think that there's a couple of the band
that do like.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
To be involved in the sessions as a couple that
aren't really that particularly well.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
But that's not a bad things, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Yeah, that just happened to live and but we had
some Yeah, we've had some good we had the last
song we did, three of us went down. We went
out to Brighten and if We Danced in Celebration Studios.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Great great chain. Yes, yeah that came out in February,
just about to release.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Like the video as well. I like that sort of
no is camera style. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's good, good track,
made good track. I'll link it in the comments.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Thank you very much. Yeah, so it's yeah lost trailer
four again.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Saying you just went to Brighten if we danced?
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Yeah, so yes, so sorry with a with a band
there and the band had a particularly little com guitar
glory involvement. He met up the guitar solo to that
track basically from the spot as well.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
It just came out and home and I think.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
He had an idea for a partner that's coming from
working with a good producer while working with God Modern.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
It was what we added as Rubbert plant. So do
you know what I mean, He's got a good solid CD.
And yes, it's inspiring to be around people like that.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
And they had some amazing gear in Salvation Studios and
some proper good gear.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Yeah, well there's there's a banned local twere that they
actually did the first podcast of mine called kid Spirit,
and they went down and did recorded a LIVP a Salvation.
Really it sounded incredible. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've not been spying.
I'm off myself in May for the first time. So yeah,
looking forward to going down there.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
I'm looking over to leaving by the time I'd been
there three days. It's really it's a bit too crazy,
is there.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Really a so? So, I mean in a short time
since you've been going, you've you've done some impressive stuff,
you know, I mean, off the top of my head.
You've played Revenue Makers, two Door Cinema Club, you did
to two sets of Glasgow last year, the Leadmill as well.
(21:12):
You sold out the Leadmill didn't, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Only the small room.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Well, but anyway, what you know, obviously growing up in
that area must feel pretty mad, going from a you know,
attending gigs at the lead Well and you went to
Glastonbury as well when he was younger.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
I believed, didn't.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
I went went to Glastombury every single year by one
from when ill fourteen. Were fourteen the first time they
went and don't I'd missed one year and yeah too, sorry,
do you want to start?
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Happened to carry on?
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Yeah, so I have been every year since I was fourteen,
and that was a particularly like class moment to go
down there and play. I only did a couple of
solow cool success, but we did the We did some
stuff for the official radio station and stuff like that,
and yeah, it's uh it just maybe one more. You
(22:09):
have these things and then it's like, well I want
to do that again. I rest on your laurels.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Yeah, for their moments. So as a musician, no, yeah,
I've said it a couple of times on the podcast.
But last year played at Bellogium Festival in Scotland, which
is like their their Glastonbury, and we had triple A passes,
so it was just go where everyonet you know, and
the futuredes was playing and I just went and watched
them from the stage side stage. Just little moments like that.
As a musician, you think this is what it's all for,
(22:37):
Just just random a little bits like that. And it
meeting different people.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
And the first time we did that that were at
Ocean Color Scene last year. And then yeah, we had
a bit too much to drink, but like we would
do you know what I mean, stood next to Steve
Kraddock and it were yeah, it were crazy. Yeah, that
were another Yeah, there's been were just what we want
to be out there playing and meeting people, do you
know what I mean? This is what we this is
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what we love.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
What we've got coming up, what you know, gigs in
the near future. Can people look forward too?
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Kind of just finished the tour cycle that so it's
going to be we're going to be announcing another tour
in follow September straw October, and that'll be getting announced
pretty soon. We've got a couple of festivals that we're
doing this year, but this summer's kind of focused on
getting this next TP ready, to getting in chip shape
(23:33):
and starting doing well as I started doing the pre
production signary hour in Rassels all through May and then
in the studio in June and then hopefully start releasing that.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
We only look in September. Yeah, that tour starts.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
If you need if you need a band to support
the tour, mat but I mean I feel like the
music scenes thriving at the moment, you know, I really
think it is particularly like in Yorkshire as well. Bands
like the Ratings absolutely smashing it. Bands like The Rose
and Arcs doing really well. What's your perception on music
(24:09):
at the moment, particularly guitar John were sitting But.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Yeah, it's it's very healthy. But none of these guys
are doing well. We are rafting extremely are It's like
you look at tet the Ross for example.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
I mean they started, they've been going.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Might be wrong, but it's of twenty seventeen and they've
had that resilience to keep going and keep going. And
I think that finally, all these years later, having that
little break through, I think he came a bit quicker
for the ratings. You've got to respect everything they've done
with the marketing and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
Great that John Fry videos.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Yeah, yes, so I went to Hour in the Gym
where the film that.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and we've got a mutual friend called
Jimmy Arrington.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Yeah. When we released the I want to s dropped around.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
But yeah, it's uh yeah that none of it's come
out hard work, but it's all come from that diy
Ethos as well. No one's needed labels. And if you
do it right and you look after your fans, you're
going to remember your fans are the ones and reason
that you're there, you know what I mean. And yeah,
they've done it really well. Just then there's lords doing
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it really well. But the ratings are the Kings.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
The way they've managed to create a fan base, like
people would die on the hard to do that.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
And I've seen I've seen footage from the European tour
and it's like, I know, we know a lot of
the same people. And I told a lot of friends
on when we're all traveling to Paris and traveling around Europe, and.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
I played I played at the New a Delphie last
month for some Mets menu.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Yeah there's an old day.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
It was really good, like called ellis more put on
shout out nice lad but the Rosados was on that
actually yeah, yeah, they close out. But there was a
group of people there. There was a couple of them
was from Grimsby who kind of know of you know,
but they was there with this big group and they've
been following the ratings round. I mean, yeah, yeah, and
(26:25):
I think I think last week or something that was
off like two dates in your rape, you know, looking crazy,
and people traveled following everywhere. It's emerging artists at them
inte that you really like you, you've got your eye on.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
I really like, really like Pablo from.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
All Yeah, Pablo is good and yeah I've.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Known I loo on my radar.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Last year I did an acoustic gig and I can
always remember saying to him, I did that. We did
a lot of gigs early last year and then I
went out with acoustic and I did some like small
bar gigs and has Pablo to support me. It turned
up fucking late and I can't be doing this. Lad,
you need to put your ideas up. And you know,
(27:09):
I think he's I think he's working. Were listening to
you and but I think he's been in studio with
I think he's been in with Miles from the Ross
as well, and really like Well it's single that he
put out, it's far too fucking long, but it's it's excellent.
It's an excellent song. But I did tell him that
it's a great song. It's just too many, is too long.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
But yeah, I've not heard it. But live he likes
to do he uses loops and drum machine and things
like that. He's excited that to the single because I
have said he was doing some full band stuff.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Yeah that the single is a bit more full band.
It's called Somewher Else. It's a really really great song,
really cracking.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Song, and we're actually supporting him, you know, because he's
doing like a big Yeah what.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Is it social?
Speaker 1 (28:00):
So yeah, that's it. Yeah, so the Putters made support
to that, but that would be great. Look that we played.
We supported CVC at that Social week and it's a
great good.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Venue in it.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Yeah, yeah I played it. I don't know if they're
still doing them there, but you know Dannod Marc from
the Sash. Yeah, they was doing pointing on gigs at
the Social one time, but I don't know if they
still are. Maybe under the.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Occasionally they're doing Polar Bear as well.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Is fantastic.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
That's the favorite place that we played on tour. The
whole crowd, it's yeah, that seem to love us. Seem
to get a better responsive more than in South Yorkshire.
But I don't know why that is.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
But yeah, yeah they've done something well, especially it's full
on a Tuesday and it really is full. But you know,
reflecting on your journey from a self self taught guitarist
and musician to playing at Glastonbury and tram lines and
ship mate, like, what, what's some pivotal essense? You know
some things that really stand out from that from the
(29:03):
journey or is that you could share with the listeners.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
I think I touched on it earlier, but definitely just
having that bravery to put someone out and most part
people are quite kind and forgiving, do you know what
I mean, It's like they know that you're bearing your
soul online. You do get the o dickhead like putting
some knaf comments and stuff like that, but just having
(29:29):
that bravery and belief in yourself, That's that's the main
lesson I think. And once you get over that hurdle,
you'll find some kind of confidence that builds inside and
that that happened particularly with me definitely. But and another
lesson is you've got to treat it, got to treat
it seriously. I mean, when we when we first started
(29:49):
and we were first playing some gigs in bars and
stuff like that, we used to get absolutely before gigs
and stuffly.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
And you can't do that.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
We don't do that anymore. It's you've got to be
You've got to be on it. You've got to bring
your air game. And particularly for me my singing style
as well.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
I can't.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
I can't play gigs drunk, do you know what I mean? Yeah,
it doesn't work. I got to be on it. And
you've got to apply that to everything. And yeah, we've
we've probably learned that the hard way. But you've got
to enjoy, enjoy yourself after the gig. That's yeah, definitely, Yeah,
you're dead right. I mean everyone's done. I'm there and played.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Some people. That really works. Yeah, it does.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
And I think you've got that punky kind of punk
kinder edge and stuff like that. I'll be able to
you'll get you'll get away with it, but kind of
stuff that it's kind of I like to be polished,
you know what I mean. I like the music to
be polished. I like the live show to be polished.
And yeah, can't be getting it popped out your face.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Yeah, do you know? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (31:02):
On the part brilliant mate. So what what can people
look forward to in terms of release?
Speaker 2 (31:08):
She said?
Speaker 3 (31:08):
The EP is coming out later on in the So
what what sort of timescale on that.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Well, we've got a single that we're going to put
out first weekend in July, but that's not part of it.
That's kind of just we need to put we want
to put some music out. I tried to keep some
music rolling out there every two or three months and
still sat.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
On a lot.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
But we're going in where Richard All his producer Colin
Elliott Yellow Arch in Sheffield renowned studios. We're going in
there in June and yeah, that's what we're rehearsing for
in May. We're basically going to get everything mapped out
Polish so we can be in and out of that
studio quite quite rappid and really looking forward to that.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Richard All is one of my.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Absolute all time heroes, so to be working with his producer,
it's actually been.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Player as well Collor Yeah, yeah, he plays. He's played
bass form since two thousand and.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Four of it obviously from Sheffield as well. And yeah, yeah,
any any like the collaborations for the EP anything lined.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Up subably, can't say the many, but yeah, there might
be one of tour on the cards.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Yeah, I'd like to hazard a few guests, but their
sim it's it's been great mate before we get off.
If you've got anything you want to shout out.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
No, just keep an eye out for the new music.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
The new single I can tell you is called Color
in My Life and it's coming July the.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
First billion brilliant and I'll link everything yours below. People
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We started bands when we were sort of twelve thirteen.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
We were dreadful as there's you always are die age.
But I can remember I was actually in a band
with Mike. Came from the horizon. Oh okay, he went
to my second Yeah, yeah, years older than he was.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
He expressed the interesting issue and he played back around
grabbing a racal with with mum's house.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Within that time, I were a building surrena as well.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
It's not like I weren't doing music, but I was
doing music for the wrong read not playing bars, and
I mean we're only quite a lot of money just
playing covers. I can't and I tell people now I
used to do a covers gig and I had this
kind of depression after it. Music was always something that
gone back to, I think, evening away from it, within
(00:46):
the line, I've always gone back to it, and I
think I've accepted now it's got to be a part
part of the existence, and if it's not, I'm not
going to be happy.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
That's what we'd forward to this one mate, me too.
For those listening at home, Today's guest has been making
huge waves in the music scene since twenty twenty two.
You might have seen him at Glastonbury last year or
more recently on tour with Chesney Hawk good Man.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Well, that were good. That were memorable, really memorable.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
It's been branded South Yorkshires Springsteen and I can't wait
to get into it. So welcome Sam. How's it going,
It's good.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
I'm good mate, Yeah, glod to be good.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
So straight into it. I read in an article that
your mum used to play Springsteen's songs around the house
when he was growing up.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
She did, Yeah, among some of the things that Springsteen
ari David Bowie. The Springsteen thing came from a song
that I put out in twenty twenty three, a song
called Balloon and it's still one that we played live
and still one that fans really want.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Joe Burn to run I believe. Yeah, well I said
that in an interview. But it was like the instrumentation
on it and stuff. There were references, but do you
know what I mean? It wasn't as obvious as as
you'd think.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
But yeah, and from that, that's where that kind of
came from.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
And I'm just running down, do you know what?
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Yeah, take us back to the start painting a picture
for uscause you're from Sheffield.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Originally.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
I Yeah, from a town called Mexborough, which is sort
of in between Doncaster and Sheffield.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yeah, it's a junie in Sheffield.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Started doing a lot of open mikes and gigs in
Sheffield in my twenties, but then it kind of tear
off and I was always kind of based Sheffield.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Yeah, let's take it back before the music, So try
and paint a picture for us. What was it like
growing up in xpread in the night's ice shame?
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yeah, expers. I still like to visit my It's full
of characters, do you know what I mean? Work.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
It's a working class town, some great pubs in Mexborough,
and I still like visiting.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Like I said, I've still got a lot of family
here as well. And yeah, I mean pretty normal. There
were there were no nothing really stood out as really
different from a normal working class bring.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
I can remember when I got secondary school.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
I never really enjoyed secondary school, and if anyone ever
asked me about secondary school, it's never a particularly happy
point in my life. But what I can remember about
secondary schoolers there were a youth club in Mexpra and
within that youth club, some guys who were working there
built a recording studio, and I can remember just wanting
(03:45):
to finish school and get to that recording studio.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
And we started bands when we were sort of twelve thirteen.
We were dreadful, as as you always are a die age.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
But I can remember I was actually in a band
with mart Keane from the Horizon, Okay, but he went
to my second Yeah, three.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Years older than he was.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
He expressed the interesting issue and he played back around
grabbing with Matt my mum's house in Mountain Street and Maxworth. Yeah,
I think I must have been twelve a Mat fourteen.
We were in a band called Sthr. He's obviously going
on to do spectacular things.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Well you're well on your way as well. Now, so
was your mom and dad both there growing up?
Speaker 2 (04:28):
No, I grew up with my mum. I still see.
There were no animosity between the wom and dad. They
were all like broke.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Rown just yeah, really close to my dad and his partner.
And Yeah, It's music was always something that I ran
back to, and I think even tried to fear away
from it within the life. I've always gone back to it,
and I think I've accepted now it's got to be
(04:56):
a part part of the existence and if it's not,
I'm not going to be happy.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
I need I need to be around it.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
So, you know, growing up listening to Bowie and listening
to things like Springsteen, what what was the catalyst for
you actually thinking I want I want to pick up
an instrument. I want to start learning and singing for
that matter, as are.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
I mean, while my mum did play them records, that
wasn't the kind of stuff that was into. Like do
you remember when first I grew up and my friends
at school we were into like metal and grunge and
things like that. And I can remember turning into an
hosted teenager thirteen fourteen, and you know Kbaine speaks to
(05:36):
with teenagers and you know what I mean, And it
was it was And I think because when you listen
to Navana and we are now accessible, riffs and things happen.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
They're pretty easy to pick up. And I was.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
I was self taught on self talking guitar and that's
self talk and piano as well.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
But of course of the rifts and stuff with that access, yeah, easy.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
To learn it kind of it won't be along and
give me the encouragement to carry on.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I wouldn't say, I'm a particularly good.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Particularly skilled guitaristorp pianist, but I can do enough.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
To get by.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Yeah, so you needn't look that's it, and it's my
writing comes from a place of melody and really basic chords,
to be honest with you.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
And yeah, it's the Barns just basic, so basic.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
And it resonated with a lot of people. I wonder
if it's because you know that Seattle grunge, like it
rains a lot in Seattle. Yeah, and I wonder if
some of that, if it resonates with us, particularly up
here and the not off, Like, I wonder if there's
an element of that, you know, it's like it's like
especially in the lyrics.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
I'm right now, there's like a determination and stuff that
you could that you can hear in the our vocals
are delivered and the lyrics and stuff like that, like
not going to give a kind of thing. We've been
to Cheese and I Suppo was back to the s.
The broke Springsteen kind of ibe as well.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (07:02):
He's from that working class we'll call the background.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Yeah, definitely, there's links, there's always links within music. Definitely.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
It was a brilliant songwriter and I love Springsteen grown up. Yeah,
thought it was great. So before committing to music, I
read that you as a building surveyor. And if I'm right,
it was twenty twenty two, wasn't it when he decided
he was going to sort of launch a music career,
wasn't it?
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Am I right? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (07:28):
What happened there? Because that correct me? If I'm wrong,
That's considered quite a good job. Isn't it quite quite
a lucrative job? So what what's you know?
Speaker 2 (07:37):
What?
Speaker 3 (07:37):
What was the catalyst for that?
Speaker 2 (07:38):
What made you think? Fuck?
Speaker 3 (07:39):
So I'm going to jump into music head first because
it was clearly the right decision, and you must have
done it with some sort of.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Yeah, there were a lot of moving parts to that decision,
but I think so. When I left school it was
sort of sixteen seventeen, kicked out of six form. So
I went to music college first.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
I went.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
I Can't in Rotherham BRINGI arise on th as well.
The Mail were in the class next to me as well,
from prim Horizon.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
And yeah, I can't.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
I never really got on with it, but I did
learn some fundamentals and pop music in that one year
that I was there, I dropped out. I had no
direction and working as a roof for laborer for a
couple of years, and my uncle decided that I had
a bit of brain on my head and he kind
of put me from college course and I kind of
just fell into the survey. It weren't weren't decision that one. Yeah,
(08:38):
I think I got offered a job that were about
twenty grand or twenty years old, and I felt Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
You know what I mean. But it was but yeah,
I kind of fell into it. And then.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
When I put my mind to something I've always seemed
to do, you know what I mean, If I do
by myself to it, I can.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
I did quite in that company.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
But I did it for about ten years, and then
I think a couple of emotions, and then they turned
around one day and said you're getting reddon.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Some big fut in it. Yeah, And there were a
few things happening in.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
The personal life that worked great, and I just COVID
happened as well, so that you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
There were, like I said, there were a lot of
moving parts and.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Came to a head, all boiled up to a head.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
That's it. And it's like within that time, I were
a building Surrea as well.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
It's not like I weren't doing music, but I was
doing music for the wrong reason, playing bars and yeah,
I mean, we're only quite.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
A lot of money just playing covers.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
I can't And I tell people now, I used to
do a covers gig and I had this kind of
depression after it.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
It just felt wrong with selling yourself.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
It felt awful and it felt I mean it was
great that.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
I mean, I invested some of that money quite wisely,
which has helped me out big time. Now do you
know what I mean in terms of music is not cheap?
Speaker 2 (10:01):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (10:02):
And tell me about the nut I invest. I invest
that wise then it's it's allowed me to do, do
you know what I mean? Spend the money properly, spend
the money on proper producers and give the music. Because
if you if you're going to do your music, people
ask me, watch I'll be spending your money. Your music
is the first thing you need to spend.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Ye. It's like I was speaking to a band the
other day.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
And they said, well, how much I'll be spending on
a single and the Tommy figure, that's just you're not
going to get anywhere with that?
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Do you know what I mean? It's like, if your
songs are that good, invested the money in them. Yeah,
do you know what I mean? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Well, I'm in the studio next week. Well this this
week is starting Saturday at Chapel Studios. Great players can't
wait to go. We're playing five grand. We've got five
days there. But obviously some of that's going to be
for mixing time, and.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
You've got to work with producers as well.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
It's like you can go to a studio and you
compare to hundred and fifty quick and you can work
with an engineer, but an engineer is not a producer,
do you know what I mean? You need to have
a producer in there. My music really started to get
better when I had someday to bounce off music.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
And you locked in with the producer.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Then I worked with.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
I'm the last ep. I worked with two different producers.
So there's tracks by two different producers and I built
really good relationships for them both. The one that I'm
working with, which might touch on later on, is I'm
working with a producer in the Sheffield from June, and
so I'm going to see how that goes, it's a
really big opportunity for us.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
So I'm to see your single balloon touched on it earlier.
I'm all right and thinking the brass section was recorded
over in Nashville. Yes, how did that come about?
Speaker 2 (11:51):
So?
Speaker 1 (11:54):
As I just mentioned so in COVID when just before
I'm kind of planning this this release campaign and to
start releasing me on music. In twenty seventeen, I went
to a studio called steel Works in Shefford and working
with guy called Dada Thompson. He made a band called
Alvarez Kings and they did.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Really well in America, and he moved.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
He met a girl and he moved out there. But
aid him with the first guy that felt really comfortable
working in.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
The studio with.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
And I'd always had like a basic setup at home
with many keyboard and some basic microphones and stuff.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
And I sent him a song one day and I said,
what can you do with this?
Speaker 1 (12:39):
If I recording everything with my own studio, send it
you what can you do?
Speaker 2 (12:44):
And he sent me back.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
First track we did with a track called Early Morning
Rain which is on Spotify. And yeah, we did that
with basic Mida drums, so we didn't have a real
drummer on that, which is Sacleagel and looking back, I
shouldn't put out, but I did. I can't tell of
some of the pro some of the programers now are
they are leave saying yeah, they are genuinely insane what
(13:09):
you can get now? But so we did that, and
then obviously I was planned. I think I released three
songs in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
It we're all.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Just dipping my toy war and seeing what worked, seeing
what didn't and putting stuff online and ad I started
get to anyone that is just starting out is just
put something out.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
I sat on songs for twelve years thinking this is yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
This, and as soon as I did want to like
that way hour off an hour away. And that's the best, definite,
the best bit of advice. Don't be scared and just
put it out. If it's ship, you can put something
else out, do you know, Yeah, you learn from your
mistakes and put the band always turned to me in
(13:57):
the same I love that song.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
And I just I look at settlists. I don't like that.
But yeah balloon, Yeah I've lost the tray of the
phone now.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Sorry, I was just going to get onto what what
was the sort of at first, that's about how did
the brass section think? Oh yeah, I was just going
to ask more more in general, how did that song about?
What was the what was the process for writing that song?
Where did it come from?
Speaker 2 (14:21):
That?
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Was it something you'd been setting for a while or that.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
One came quite quick? And yeah, we're in a bit
of a dark place in my life at that time.
And the line let me float away, there's like references
to to a signing there and.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Stuff like that. That's the song is called bloom float
Away and whatnot.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
And it's like to pause with a really happy song,
but it's like, yeah, two different fever and concurrently you've
got the happy music and the really sadricks.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
And yeah, I've always liked that song.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
When we played that song live, it's remember when we're
doing the brass section, so I could actually see the
brass being recorded, so that the video in it at
the same time like on a live stream were it
were awesome, But yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
The drums were done in Nashville and the brass were done. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Yeah, Would you like to do any more clubs like
that in the future moving forward?
Speaker 1 (15:17):
I would, But I mean, I'm slowly touched with aid
and I'll always will always be a dear friend of
mine because how much you helped me.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
And I almost believing when I first.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Started out, But I don't know. It's I like to
be in a room with somebody having an argument with
somebody about that, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (15:36):
And I think that a good producy you should be
looking on with. Yeah, definitely there should be some friction,
some healthy friction. You do you do.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
You like the process of recording? Enjoy because I really
enjoy it, you know. I enjoy all the elements writing
a song, performed a song, recording a song. But there's
something about really sitting down with something and other trying
different guitars on certain parts and different effects, and really
hashing out with your mates. Is something really, really really
(16:07):
cathartic about that, isn't I?
Speaker 1 (16:09):
It is, And it's kind of I love the writing
process just as much as the recording.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
I mean, I still do exactly what I did with it.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Whereas I'll put the full kind of song together, the drums,
I'll play the pianos, maybe arrange from strings, I'll play
the guitars, I'll put a basic ball down and then
I'll take you to a producer who I can hope
well mm hmm, bring it more to life. Yeah, yeah,
it's I love both processes.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
I mean, been doing it today in Sheffield is Yeah,
That's what I live for, definitely.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
So in one of your songs, boy you Fell to
Earth is a tribute to your son, I believe, isn't that?
So the showcase is a more introspective side of your
songwright And so how do you like to use things
like fatherhood, any other experiences in your life to shape
your song?
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Right?
Speaker 1 (17:18):
And it's the only song that I've done And well,
it were actually we were going to I don't know
or mentioning that was there. I suppose I did try
and launch the career once in twenty seventeen, but I
never really had the right I don't know, the directions stuff,
and he never really got off Brown but.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Blueprint for it kind of thing, I'll tell you what
it were.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
We started a band and we went out of Sam
Still and the Fix, and it kind of made the
mistake of doing it with people who are really close
with and yeah, it didn't work because I were too
familiar with the band and stuff like that, and he
kind of just fizzled.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Out and death.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
But that BOYL fell to work with a track from
those kind of sessions, written very very quickly. It's got
some lovely chords in there. I couldn't tell you what
they are, but I know how to play one.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Do you prefer being sort of the leader of a band?
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Do you?
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Like you said you with some of your songwriting, you'll
map everything out and then take it to the producer.
Is that how you kind of prefer working. You couldn't
see yourself as somebody front in the band. It's more
Sam and his band?
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Is that? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Sounding like a complete blanky Yeah, it's how it is
for some people.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Yes, it's how it is, and it works for some
people like it. My singer turn out and said, I
want to be the leader of this band. It wouldn't
work because we've not set up in that context. But
someone like yourself, you're the singer songwriter at the end
of the day there and it's it's up to you
how you put your songs out.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
I do do a lot of the work initially, so
it's well built, particularly now, extremely good and competent set
of musicians around.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
But I think that there's a couple of the band
that do like.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
To be involved in the sessions as a couple that
aren't really that particularly well.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
But that's not a bad things, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Yeah, that just happened to live and but we had
some Yeah, we've had some good we had the last
song we did, three of us went down. We went
out to Brighten and if We Danced in Celebration Studios.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Great great chain. Yes, yeah that came out in February,
just about to release.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Like the video as well. I like that sort of
no is camera style. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's good, good track,
made good track. I'll link it in the comments.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Thank you very much. Yeah, so it's yeah lost trailer
four again.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Saying you just went to Brighten if we danced?
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Yeah, so yes, so sorry with a with a band
there and the band had a particularly little com guitar
glory involvement. He met up the guitar solo to that
track basically from the spot as well.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
It just came out and home and I think.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
He had an idea for a partner that's coming from
working with a good producer while working with God Modern.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
It was what we added as Rubbert plant. So do
you know what I mean, He's got a good solid CD.
And yes, it's inspiring to be around people like that.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
And they had some amazing gear in Salvation Studios and
some proper good gear.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Yeah, well there's there's a banned local twere that they
actually did the first podcast of mine called kid Spirit,
and they went down and did recorded a LIVP a Salvation.
Really it sounded incredible. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've not been spying.
I'm off myself in May for the first time. So yeah,
looking forward to going down there.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
I'm looking over to leaving by the time I'd been
there three days. It's really it's a bit too crazy,
is there.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Really a so? So, I mean in a short time
since you've been going, you've you've done some impressive stuff,
you know, I mean, off the top of my head.
You've played Revenue Makers, two Door Cinema Club, you did
to two sets of Glasgow last year, the Leadmill as well.
(21:12):
You sold out the Leadmill didn't, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Only the small room.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Well, but anyway, what you know, obviously growing up in
that area must feel pretty mad, going from a you know,
attending gigs at the lead Well and you went to
Glastonbury as well when he was younger.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
I believed, didn't.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
I went went to Glastombury every single year by one
from when ill fourteen. Were fourteen the first time they
went and don't I'd missed one year and yeah too, sorry,
do you want to start?
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Happened to carry on?
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Yeah, so I have been every year since I was fourteen,
and that was a particularly like class moment to go
down there and play. I only did a couple of
solow cool success, but we did the We did some
stuff for the official radio station and stuff like that,
and yeah, it's uh it just maybe one more. You
(22:09):
have these things and then it's like, well I want
to do that again. I rest on your laurels.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Yeah, for their moments. So as a musician, no, yeah,
I've said it a couple of times on the podcast.
But last year played at Bellogium Festival in Scotland, which
is like their their Glastonbury, and we had triple A passes,
so it was just go where everyonet you know, and
the futuredes was playing and I just went and watched
them from the stage side stage. Just little moments like that.
As a musician, you think this is what it's all for,
(22:37):
Just just random a little bits like that. And it
meeting different people.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
And the first time we did that that were at
Ocean Color Scene last year. And then yeah, we had
a bit too much to drink, but like we would
do you know what I mean, stood next to Steve
Kraddock and it were yeah, it were crazy. Yeah, that
were another Yeah, there's been were just what we want
to be out there playing and meeting people, do you
know what I mean? This is what we this is
(23:02):
what we love.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
What we've got coming up, what you know, gigs in
the near future. Can people look forward too?
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Kind of just finished the tour cycle that so it's
going to be we're going to be announcing another tour
in follow September straw October, and that'll be getting announced
pretty soon. We've got a couple of festivals that we're
doing this year, but this summer's kind of focused on
getting this next TP ready, to getting in chip shape
(23:33):
and starting doing well as I started doing the pre
production signary hour in Rassels all through May and then
in the studio in June and then hopefully start releasing that.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
We only look in September. Yeah, that tour starts.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
If you need if you need a band to support
the tour, mat but I mean I feel like the
music scenes thriving at the moment, you know, I really
think it is particularly like in Yorkshire as well. Bands
like the Ratings absolutely smashing it. Bands like The Rose
and Arcs doing really well. What's your perception on music
(24:09):
at the moment, particularly guitar John were sitting But.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Yeah, it's it's very healthy. But none of these guys
are doing well. We are rafting extremely are It's like
you look at tet the Ross for example.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
I mean they started, they've been going.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Might be wrong, but it's of twenty seventeen and they've
had that resilience to keep going and keep going. And
I think that finally, all these years later, having that
little break through, I think he came a bit quicker
for the ratings. You've got to respect everything they've done
with the marketing and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
Great that John Fry videos.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Yeah, yes, so I went to Hour in the Gym
where the film that.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and we've got a mutual friend called
Jimmy Arrington.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Yeah. When we released the I want to s dropped around.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
But yeah, it's uh yeah that none of it's come
out hard work, but it's all come from that diy
Ethos as well. No one's needed labels. And if you
do it right and you look after your fans, you're
going to remember your fans are the ones and reason
that you're there, you know what I mean. And yeah,
they've done it really well. Just then there's lords doing
(25:26):
it really well. But the ratings are the Kings.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
The way they've managed to create a fan base, like
people would die on the hard to do that.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
And I've seen I've seen footage from the European tour
and it's like, I know, we know a lot of
the same people. And I told a lot of friends
on when we're all traveling to Paris and traveling around Europe, and.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
I played I played at the New a Delphie last
month for some Mets menu.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Yeah there's an old day.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
It was really good, like called ellis more put on
shout out nice lad but the Rosados was on that
actually yeah, yeah, they close out. But there was a
group of people there. There was a couple of them
was from Grimsby who kind of know of you know,
but they was there with this big group and they've
been following the ratings round. I mean, yeah, yeah, and
(26:25):
I think I think last week or something that was
off like two dates in your rape, you know, looking crazy,
and people traveled following everywhere. It's emerging artists at them
inte that you really like you, you've got your eye on.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
I really like, really like Pablo from.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
All Yeah, Pablo is good and yeah I've.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Known I loo on my radar.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Last year I did an acoustic gig and I can
always remember saying to him, I did that. We did
a lot of gigs early last year and then I
went out with acoustic and I did some like small
bar gigs and has Pablo to support me. It turned
up fucking late and I can't be doing this. Lad,
you need to put your ideas up. And you know,
(27:09):
I think he's I think he's working. Were listening to
you and but I think he's been in studio with
I think he's been in with Miles from the Ross
as well, and really like Well it's single that he
put out, it's far too fucking long, but it's it's excellent.
It's an excellent song. But I did tell him that
it's a great song. It's just too many, is too long.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
But yeah, I've not heard it. But live he likes
to do he uses loops and drum machine and things
like that. He's excited that to the single because I
have said he was doing some full band stuff.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Yeah that the single is a bit more full band.
It's called Somewher Else. It's a really really great song,
really cracking.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Song, and we're actually supporting him, you know, because he's
doing like a big Yeah what.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Is it social?
Speaker 1 (28:00):
So yeah, that's it. Yeah, so the Putters made support
to that, but that would be great. Look that we played.
We supported CVC at that Social week and it's a
great good.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Venue in it.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Yeah, yeah I played it. I don't know if they're
still doing them there, but you know Dannod Marc from
the Sash. Yeah, they was doing pointing on gigs at
the Social one time, but I don't know if they
still are. Maybe under the.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Occasionally they're doing Polar Bear as well.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Is fantastic.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
That's the favorite place that we played on tour. The
whole crowd, it's yeah, that seem to love us. Seem
to get a better responsive more than in South Yorkshire.
But I don't know why that is.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
But yeah, yeah they've done something well, especially it's full
on a Tuesday and it really is full. But you know,
reflecting on your journey from a self self taught guitarist
and musician to playing at Glastonbury and tram lines and
ship mate, like, what, what's some pivotal essense? You know
some things that really stand out from that from the
(29:03):
journey or is that you could share with the listeners.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
I think I touched on it earlier, but definitely just
having that bravery to put someone out and most part
people are quite kind and forgiving, do you know what
I mean, It's like they know that you're bearing your
soul online. You do get the o dickhead like putting
some knaf comments and stuff like that, but just having
(29:29):
that bravery and belief in yourself, That's that's the main
lesson I think. And once you get over that hurdle,
you'll find some kind of confidence that builds inside and
that that happened particularly with me definitely. But and another
lesson is you've got to treat it, got to treat
it seriously. I mean, when we when we first started
(29:49):
and we were first playing some gigs in bars and
stuff like that, we used to get absolutely before gigs
and stuffly.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
And you can't do that.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
We don't do that anymore. It's you've got to be
You've got to be on it. You've got to bring
your air game. And particularly for me my singing style
as well.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
I can't.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
I can't play gigs drunk, do you know what I mean? Yeah,
it doesn't work. I got to be on it. And
you've got to apply that to everything. And yeah, we've
we've probably learned that the hard way. But you've got
to enjoy, enjoy yourself after the gig. That's yeah, definitely, Yeah,
you're dead right. I mean everyone's done. I'm there and played.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Some people. That really works. Yeah, it does.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
And I think you've got that punky kind of punk
kinder edge and stuff like that. I'll be able to
you'll get you'll get away with it, but kind of
stuff that it's kind of I like to be polished,
you know what I mean. I like the music to
be polished. I like the live show to be polished.
And yeah, can't be getting it popped out your face.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Yeah, do you know? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (31:02):
On the part brilliant mate. So what what can people
look forward to in terms of release?
Speaker 2 (31:08):
She said?
Speaker 3 (31:08):
The EP is coming out later on in the So
what what sort of timescale on that.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Well, we've got a single that we're going to put
out first weekend in July, but that's not part of it.
That's kind of just we need to put we want
to put some music out. I tried to keep some
music rolling out there every two or three months and
still sat.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
On a lot.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
But we're going in where Richard All his producer Colin
Elliott Yellow Arch in Sheffield renowned studios. We're going in
there in June and yeah, that's what we're rehearsing for
in May. We're basically going to get everything mapped out
Polish so we can be in and out of that
studio quite quite rappid and really looking forward to that.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Richard All is one of my.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Absolute all time heroes, so to be working with his producer,
it's actually been.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Player as well Collor Yeah, yeah, he plays. He's played
bass form since two thousand and.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Four of it obviously from Sheffield as well. And yeah, yeah,
any any like the collaborations for the EP anything lined.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Up subably, can't say the many, but yeah, there might
be one of tour on the cards.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Yeah, I'd like to hazard a few guests, but their
sim it's it's been great mate before we get off.
If you've got anything you want to shout out.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
No, just keep an eye out for the new music.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
The new single I can tell you is called Color
in My Life and it's coming July the.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
First billion brilliant and I'll link everything yours below. People
know where to check it out. SA people if you've
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