The Truth About Being an Indie Band in 2025 | Sandra’s Wedding Interview - Sounds From The Dockside

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Speaker 1 (00:24):
I was going down. I started hearing the engine room, mate,
give us a good drive. Yeah, became the become the
bottom ware. I didn't go over the bridge all right.
It was six or one after another. I think there
was two minutes in it. So I came. I came
via one eighty. Yeah. Way, I've only been over a
bridge twice.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Really.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
First time I went over was last year.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Yeah, really, thirty four years old. You've been over the bridges.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
I've never been over it.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
I've been it on bridges or something.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
It's weird. It's weird, but you know, like when something
becomes a thing. I've not been over it until I
was thirty four. So I think I just kind of thought, right,
I've come this far, but I had to go. I
had to go over it. Last year we were going
to Camon Boy. It was history. I think it was
for some reason we had to go that way.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
Yeah, so yeah, that was only last year when I
first went over. I'm saving it for special occasions.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
Now, impressive, four years time, you'll do another crossing. So
let's get straight into the name is Sandra's wedding. It
raises some eyebrows. Where did it come from?

Speaker 1 (01:26):
I'm going to say the same thing that I always
say to people, which is really an exciting story about it.
We've had we've had kind of like fake origin stories
that we've come up with. Then the Artic Monkeys were
the same, weren't because there was that rumor that it
came from the drummer's granddad's band and stuff, and I

(01:46):
think it was there. They were coming up with a
little little stories that they could weave into it. But
Sandra's wedding was well, initially it was going to be
the band from Sandra's wedding and obviously that's just an
absolute mouthful and it's a it's a bit too much,

(02:08):
so then it just got trimmed down.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
But it's weird because it was stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
I can't I can't even remember like how it came
about and stuff, genuinely, genuinely. Yeah, it's just because the
other thing is I kind of started the band as
just me before other people got involved, so it weren't
even like that thing of sitting around the table chucking
ideas around. It was literally just coming up with an

(02:33):
idea to start doing music as a band again, and
and it just came. I can't where it came from
a count nowhere, but I'd not been doing music for
a long time up to that point. When I went
to away to university and stuff, I didn't pick a
guitar up for ages, so so I learned how to play,
did a little bit of band stuff, really DIY stuff

(02:53):
with some friends, and then I went to where to
university where I thought I'm going to be the next
big poweat. I got really into poetry, and that's what.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
Was you doing? Spoken word and things when he was
at the university, Then was your performing poetry.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
I didn't perform poetry apart from it was weird because
I had like a crossing of streams. So like I
was really into poetry. I was writing poetry and studying
it all that kind of jazz. But I also started
doing stand up all right, So I went to adding
with fringe one year as well, like with a side

(03:27):
at Uni. So I was doing stand up, and I
started weaving a little bit of the poetry into the
stand up. But it was like jokes as a means
to be a part of a character.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
Basically, do you.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
Know Tim Key, He's a comedian and that's basically his
act is you know, like sort of off the wall
kind of failing poet. Yeah, not failing, but there's.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
A few like that, like to mention spring Spring, yeah
a bit of a poet. Absolutely comedy is me, he
does it really well? Absolutely absolutely so yeah. I was
doing that for a bit and then stand up. The
stand up world is just I mean, music's bad enough,
but stand up's ridiculous, brutal. It's not so much brutal,
but I just hated the way that everything just got

(04:16):
over analyzed so much. Like I initially thought that it's
just a case of if you're funny, you'll get up
and you'll do but you know the amount of politics
and like you'll do something and like another cominging'll be
like obvious a bit hack that isn't it or it's
like you know.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
It's a bit. It's just a bit of fluff that
and like in a way that you won't get that
with music, Like you wouldn't come off stage in someone
well some people if they were a bit of a knob,
but like no one's just gonna go oh sure about this,
wen't sure about that. But it's it's a really weird world.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
I think the difference between comedy and music is like,
even if you do a ship performance, you still filled
the room with some sort of sound.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
If you go on stage as a comedian, your new bottom. Yeah,
you are so vulnerable.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
Absolutely, and I've a silent rain.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
I done it. I have done it. I have done it.
The thing with the bombing is one thing that is
interesting about the comedians, the stand up thing is it's
such a big part of it, where like I think,
if you go into it thinking there's going to be
so many nights away, literally you just want to crawl
off stage and just go away. That's a healthy way
to approach it because we hear comedians talking about it

(05:22):
and like I say, there's just so many times when
nobody laughs, and that's like, it's such a such a
weird situation to be in.

Speaker 4 (05:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
I watch a live comedy show every week on YouTube
called Kill Tony. I don't know if you be Yeah
I ever do? Yeah, Yeah, Tony Hinchcliff. It's it's an
amazing show. Me and missus look forward to watching it
every week.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
Basically, for those who don't know, the premise of the
show is comedians get sixty seconds, Yeah, an uninterrupted minute
and yeah, usually the most savage comedians in America and
people bomb every week, not only at the bomb, but
they also just get attacked by the panel afterwards as well.
I'll say it makes it a good show. But yeah,

(06:02):
you say, vulnerable art you on stage as a comedian
if your material doesn't go down, I couldn't do it.
I consider myself a funny chart but absolutely I couldn't
apply myself in that sense on stage.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
Do you know what I mean, I'll be I'll be
completely amissed.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
I think that a lot of people who are naturally
funny aren't comedians.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
Yeah yeah, oh thanks mate, shoot me down.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
No, but no, but in terms of proving the point.
But I mean what I mean by that is loads
of comedians are funny. The good comedians are the ones
that are genuinely, like naturally funny, but they can do
the craft as well.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yeah yeah, yeah, absolutely to learn you've got to learn
the set up.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
Absolutely absolutely.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
But there's so many comedians where and I'm not knocking them,
but that if you were out with them having a pint,
they wouldn't necessarily be funny. They're just really good at
putting together an act and writing because that's a massive
part of it as well as writing. I mean, there's
been some genius in past where they can walk on
stagioout anything and they can just make people laugh. That's
that's genius. That's like that's a different board game. But

(07:01):
a lot of comedians it's a lot about like they
respect to the craft so much that they that's the
that's the way that they approach it. And I think
I I didn't love stand up enough to want put
that much effort in, do you know what I mean? Ye,
Like it's really it's really technically hard, and like it's
the admiration I've got for people who do stand up

(07:22):
after you know, dipping my toe in it. And I
mean I'm not I wasn't a good stand up or
I wasn't in that world for long.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
But it's it's.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
Tough and there's a lot more preparation behind the scenes
with it. Kind of similar to music. I think in
sense that this well, this point is more about like
how much you value your time as a performer. So
like when someone's booking you for a fee, they don't
see the years of time that it's taken you to

(07:50):
get to that point. I think some people just say
it's like a bricky or and I mean they're still
off to train obviously and like working like they don't
see all the overads like yeah, and that's not expecting
Yeah saying that, I'm saying brickie, I'm not knocking anyone
in trades all like that. But my point being is
like they maybe wouldn't they would well, basically they wouldn't
treat a musician the same they would have tradesman, Like

(08:12):
they wouldn't assume that they're going to do it for
a pittance because they wouldn't insult a tradesmen that way,
would they. And I think, yeah, it's it's interesting how Yeah,
there's just there's just always a million things. I don't
even know we're got on to this. I was talking
about stand up one minute, and now I'm doing that
thing where I start going on about what musicians get

(08:33):
paid because.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
That's the beauty of a podcast.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
Yeah, but with some people listening to this laughing, because
I've just got a bit of a thing at the
moment where I always try and lean from other bands
and stuff like, oh what are you getting paid for this?
Another because I think because there's an a murder about it,
people end up getting ripped off. And I don't think
it's because anyone's doing anything underhand or they're trying they're

(08:58):
trying to.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
You know, scam.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
People or you know, scam amount of whatever, whether it's
time or money and stuff. But I think bands don't
really talk about that kind of thing. Did They much
keep it closer to the Yeah. And I think even
because I was whether we come on to it. Obviously
you guys have been recording. I was just genuinely interested,
like what the day rate is there? And I thought,

(09:23):
but it's kind of rude to just sort of say,
I'm not rude, but you know what I mean. Don't
you be kind of thinking you don't really want to
like give.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
So much away, do you? Because the other thing with
music is.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
We're more than happy to the studio right, happy to
share that. We'll come on to that and a bit
that if you like, mate, of course we can.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
But I think I always kind of in my earning
path it is like, say the band's discussing like money
or whatever. I was, like, we've paid X amounts of
go and record here or there, whatever, if you're investing
a lot of your own money into it, which we
haven't passed and all the money that we make as
a band, I was into the projects and everything, so it.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
Wipes it so nuts.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
So then my my why sort of worry about, probably
wrongly is sometimes if we've done a runner vinyl or
we've gone to recorded here and every when people think well,
it's going to be a couple of grand in it,
which it is, and then I kind of think, are
they sort of thinking, well, where's this money coming from?
Where's this money? You know, like and not that you've
been bankrolled as such, but like, yeah, they start thinking

(10:24):
there must be on some sort of gravy training doing
in this.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
Day in Asia, you can create a huge illusion that
you're actually absolutely more than you can. I mean, if
you team around you the same as you we invest,
We reinvest everything we can and you know there's some
gigs where we gauge it and you know, if it's
if we think, oh, they're going to be selling a
lot of tickets for this and making a lot of money,
we'll try and get a fee that kind of represents

(10:46):
more closest where we want to be.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
Absolutely the gigs.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
To get thrown at you, but like for us and
we want to start playing more sitters, you know, and
want to build up a bigger following places like Sheffield
and stuff like that. We know we're going to have
to do.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
Some really really Oh yeah absolutely.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
The gigs for it is absolutely But if you say
yes and you want to build you know, if you
want to build up that reputation of the places, you've
got to do it, haven't ye oh yeah, I mean
around yere I'd be reluctant to play a gig for
not a lot of money now, you know, because I
think you're petitioned quite well locally, absolutely well out of
town mate would would cover a fuel, will pay.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
It's a weird one really because I think what you
kind of hit the nail and the like. You've come
to that conclusion about playing local gigs and fees and
stuff because you've done the work the years in terms
of you've got to the point where you shouldn't really
be turning up and getting nothing or learning or pittance. Yeah,
and I think that'd be my advice to band starting
out was like, it's a really rubbish thing to say,

(11:40):
but when you are just starting out and you're trying
to develop a following and stuff, is you are going
to have to do some rubbish gigs and you're going
to have to do them for not much money. And
I think I'd be worried if I was in a back,
say if I was a new band starting out and
there was another band men that were saying, no, we're

(12:01):
worth this, we should be getting this, that and other,
and you start precluding yourself from gigs because you think
you should be getting more. Absolutely right, in an ideal world,
you'd be getting it and you should be getting it.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
Yeah, but it doesn't work like that, does it.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
I think I think you've got to. I think it's
two way though, you know it's I think it's a
great thing to measure your self worth, But then I
think you've you've maybe got to look inwardly and think,
well is the product I'm offering?

Speaker 1 (12:25):
Well? Round the product?

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Absolutely, yeah, I'm worth more than this, absolutely actually offering,
because I think it's not enough to just put our
good records or just have a good live performance. So
I think you've got to do everything, do you know
what I mean? And they're the bands that are deservant
of the breaks. Definitely, I think you've got to You've
got to do everything and and be humble at the
same time, you know, and accept that to get somewhere

(12:47):
you're gonna have to through some ship mate.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
Absolutely, you know, And I wouldn't change what we've done
in terms of gigs and stuff. We don't enjoyed them,
you know, I'm not knocking again. It's not to suggest
that gigs have done it past have been good. You know,
It's been really rare that we've ever done a gig
where we've been like, my god, what that was? You know,
for whatever reason that was ridiculous or whatever. You know,
we've been and done them and we've enjoyed it. We've

(13:09):
met some great people. And I mean, the flip side
of it, I don't know if you'll agree, is sometimes
the dynamic between like you get some promoters in inverted
commas put things on and like, yeah, fair enough. You
want to be a promoter. You want to do that job,
but they don't want to do any promoting. Yeah, and
you look at it anything, well, you've got to go.
That's what you want to do. That's the world that

(13:31):
you're in. It's like they want to be a promoter,
but they want to be like, well that so many tickets?
Can you get more? Tickets sold then, And I get
it because obviously any effort in themselves, absolutely well, there
is an element of the band's responsibility.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
I completely get that. I'm not started going.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
I want to turn up on a throne and you know,
like there's all these fans there. You know, you've got
to take your own fans along. But I think people
pick up on when you smell blood in the water,
don't when bands are like begging people to please, please
please for weeks and weeks and weeks and months and
we've done it. But then you think, is the promoter

(14:06):
putting the same working here? Like are they actually you know,
developing as well?

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Like you know the hospitality industry is, it's under a
lot of pressure with them in it. Yeah, I know
absolutely a lot of people have that disposable income to
the wall. Do there? A lot's changed certainly over the
last sort of fifteen twenty years of hospitality, hasn't it,
And absolutely the culture around going out. But at the
same time, if you can't afford to put acts on,
which is the ultimately the thing that bringing people into

(14:33):
your venue, maybe you need to look to diversify, maybe
do something a bit different in it. We but a
lot of artists do allow themselves to be undervalued, and
because some people can manage to book gigs by paying
next to nothing literally preaching or you're doing it for
the exposure, you know, I hate that term, and the
promoter says, you're doing it for the exposure. Yeah, they

(14:54):
need taking around the fucking back of the building and
shooting me.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
It's a funny one because the times when it's been
worth gigs for the exposure, that hasn't been the reason
why we've done them, Like you know, like you pick
up fans in weird places, don't you. That's why I
generally don't like saying no to gigs. And to be fair,
I'm talking we're talking about fees and stuff. I mean
a lot of the time I wait it up and
I think, is it going to be worth it for
whatever reason, like say, it's going to be new people

(15:19):
there that can hear me as an act, you know,
having some other good acts on where I think, you know,
if they're going to watch them, then 'll maybe being
to what we're doing. Or is it a new venuee
it'd be nice to get a foot in the door
there kind of thing the way up.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
Against all that stuff.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
And I suppose my point with that is, especially when
you're really starting out, is if you're only thinking about
the fee you can, you'd you'd maybe mean that you
maybe missed out on a couple of bits where you
think it was maybe worth going for a couple of hours.
And like I think, for it's taken me. I mean,

(15:57):
we started in twenty sixteen. It's taken me to well
now to even think about the money being somewhere where
I can go back and say, you know, it's not
really that much as it. So it's it's taken me
this long, and there's a band this long to start going.
Like you said, I think I don't think it's enough
for us to come play really yeah, And I think

(16:19):
it's it's actually quite a skill to be able to
do that, yeah, and to do it without sounding like
I've just done there, like you almost apologizing like.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
Yeah, well it's I think you've got to look at
it in terms like a strategy an'tue, you know. And
I think, like like with Healer, we're kind of at
the point where we're not pretentious, do you know what
I mean. We'll play gigs that come to us, but
they do they fit in with where we're at at
the minute. Do you know what I mean? Like we're
trying to position ourselves in a certain place. Playing certain
types of gigs is going to water down what we

(16:48):
want to do, you know what I mean in that sense.
So it's like, it's not it's not like we're trying
to be pretentious. You won't get a Premier League football
player during a Sunday League team, do you know what
I mean? You want to you want to mix with
the people that you aspire to be, the people who
are at the same level as you don't. Yeah, And
I think some some venues can hinderrect, you know, like

(17:09):
having your name against certain things and certain festivals and
things like that. I think you've got to be careful
in that respect, and that's kind of our way going.
But like I said, but humble, we're not trying to
be pretentious with it. We will take any gigs that
come out. Yeah, they've got to work for us. We're
not just going to jump at any gig because it's
it's come out a way. Absolutely, and we've turned down
some pretty decent gigs, especially locally, because we thought, well

(17:32):
we're actually doing that other gig A bit down the
road when we want to maximizing pat so let's not
bother doing that, you know, and we've turned bits away
doing that, but we feel like it's necessary almost.

Speaker 4 (17:42):
You know.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
It's interesting now you know essentially that the same conversation
that we've been having. Really yeah, And like you said,
I think you come to a point when just hit
it naturally the way starts taking yourself a bit more seriously.
I certainly do in terms of writing and the art
of it. And I mean I'd never call myself a
singer songwriter. I'd never walked around doing that.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
I don't do that, not because I don't once, but
just because.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
I don't feel that comfortable because I could.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
You know, I say, I come from the town like
go way away from Like they aren't a huge creative scene.
It's not like a place where you rub shoulders with
artists off. I mean, there's some there, and they're very talented.
And it's a small it's only twenty thousand, you know.
The town I actually looks populations compared to Grimsby. I
think it's great. Grim has being it's quite a big area,
but I think it's a two hundred and thousand I
think around here.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
To be honest, I wouldn't would have said it was
that much.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
I think, but I think that incorporates a lot of
like the village, you know, like all the area around it.
I think if you could one hundred and eight.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
If you google that or anything down while we're on there.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
But pull it up Jamie, his name is not James Dane,
so I'd made that mistake as well.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
It's to be fair, this is a milestone in the
podcast because I've never actually broke before for the first time. Yeah,
I never broke the fourth wall and asked today something
I believe or not. We do have someone behind the
camera on this eighty thousand doing bets eighty six hundred thousand.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know why I had that head.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
I bet I bet Grimsby Cleethorpes and.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
Two four six.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
Yeah, it's probably you know, oh yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
But so yeah. So to my point is, you know,
the size of it's like one one slice of you know,
this bigger area that you've got here, and I think
the face of a lot of the same challenges even obviously
came in obviously talking about the docks and stuff. Is
that me saying, you know, I don't want to walk
around saying I'm a singing songwriter and stuff is it's

(19:43):
not a place where there's terms of that kind of
thing going on. So you're almost like always like a
bit like, yeah, yeah, we're doing this thing.

Speaker 3 (19:52):
It's yeah, it's it's all right, it's good, it's.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
You know, we're enjoying it, you know, But it's never
I don't think for young people it's seen as a career.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
And imagine it's the same here as well.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
You know, it's a bit of an odd one around.
Yet it seems that there's a really good music scene
at the minute.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
Yeah. I was listening to the other recent probably I
can't remember his name, of the guys from Half and
Boy were talking about saying all about all the bands
that are knocking around, and I was thinking.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
Yeah, there are some good some bands are absolute smashing
it around here at the minute, particularly particularly young bands
Bank called Revivalry, young free piece, not long out of school.
I think they have school last year, but I think
they've got a deal.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
We've played with him at Docs Academy. I think yeah,
they're supporting the Poula Junction.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
Oh right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, last year. Yeah, I
think it was them more than likely. Yeah, three really
young lads, Yeah, really young.

Speaker 3 (20:43):
They were jumping about. It was jumping on bar a lot.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
Yeah yeah, they go for it. Yeah. And then there's
another young band called Ever. They've just been over to
l a recording. Three young lads, you know, yeah, grim
It's it's a bit of a weird one because we're
but we're a small town. Well we're a big town,
but we're not a city. But I haven't got any
cities nearby. It's kind of like you in a sense. Yeah,

(21:07):
it's like your own thing. You can't yeah, you know,
you can't tag onto any city scene or anything. It's
like you exist in your own pocket and it just
happens in Grimsby. The pocket's absolutely booming at the minute. Yeah,
but not you know, there's always room for improvement, but
very certainly over the past five years or so, with
the introduction of Docs Academy and things like that, there's

(21:29):
just so much going on.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
I love it. It's one of the reasons I started
all this, do you know what I mean for there's
so much going on that's platform at about that about
it in a different way. You know, and promote it
in a different way.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
It's interesting you're saying that though, because, like you said,
I've asked you sort of questions off grid, you know,
Like I remember when you first asked me to do this.
I was looking into it and I was like, I
wonder they've got off ground and like you know what
the what the mechanics of it are, and like I
was got involved with it because I'd love to get
something started in Gold. Yeah, obviously it Beguals Eyes and

(22:00):
the Goal scope, and you don't want it to be
like too focused on where you'rerom because obviously I'm here now,
I'm not from Grimsby. So it's good what you're doing
in terms of your platform, but you're also like bringing
people in artis from outside. Yeah, and I think and
I think that's what they could do with in Goool
is having the platform there for other original artists to
come in and play, which is what we are trying

(22:21):
to do. Did one event other month was like a
debut for my thirty thirty fifth birthday, Like well that
was back in March. Goal so just call it Gould
Shipyard because like that was a big part of the
town d work there.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
Yeah, family, you know, my family works there.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
Your family from Gold sort of generationally.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
Yeah yeah, yeah, for a good for a good long time. Yeah,
sort of big, big families on both sides, like mum
and dads as well.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
Yeah. So there's always a hint of Goal. Then you
touch on a lot of the themes dated from the
history of Gold in your songwriter and I've noticed.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I enjoy doing that. I enjoy doing that,
but it's weird with doing that, And I was thinking
about this today.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
Actually, I like.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
Because there's in tons of stuff going on and go
and coming out of Goal, we we get called like
the Gold band, and I love it in the sense that,
you know, I'm really proud of I'm I'm a big
fan of it. I think it's a great place. I
think people live there. It's like anyway a bit saying,
you know, people live there and make out that it's

(23:27):
the worst place on earth. You know, it's this out
and the other. But I think they don't realize. Sometimes
I'll look at the air because some of the people
are brilliant, and you know, there is some good stuff.
It could have been better, yeah, absolutely could And that's
why on the music side. I'd love to just get
something going a bit similar to this and try to
start getting some more bands coming in and.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
Stuff I can, I mean, anything I could do so
we get off the grounds. Let's now, Yeah, I will
do quite lucky in the sense I've managed to go
all this off the ground with very little investment really,
and it's mainly down to the support of ad from
Creative Start.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
In the building that I mean, yeah, they've I mean
it's been you know two whey. I've been helping them
kind of build up some sort of music presence and
get me the tools and the time and the space
to do it. And it's working really well. But way
more than happy to sort of share knowledge or anything
like that and gets brillianked up.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
I really appreciate that doing.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
A live event or even a podcast if you wanted, I.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
Really appreciate that. As I say, there's tons of places
similar to this sing goal, like say old shipping offices
and admin buildings and you know offices and stuff, so
there's definitely scope for it. And I think it's like
turning an oil tanker really in the sense that if
we do get something going, it'll be it'll be a

(24:43):
while until young people in town start feeling like there
is something going on. You know, if you're into music
and stuff, and I mean even that you can't change
the world with it. But what I do think is
that if young people in the town, in the wider
area sort of go, oh, yeah, you're in a band,
aid did that And there's these nights every month, sim
much to what you're doing here where you can go
and see abandoned stuff. The exposure is a big part

(25:05):
of it, I think, And it's.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
A yeah, I think the sound needs something, do you
know what I mean? Yeah, it's just some remnants of
a scene. And it'd be a shame if this place
is out there where there isn't any remnants of a scene,
because what's that doing for absolutely creativity in terms of
music in that area. You know that that's the sad
thing about a lot of services that have disappeared, and

(25:27):
you know, coming yet as like kids used to be
able to do so much, like used to be able
to do so much growing up. You know, there was
so much to do as a kid after school to
get you into things, different sports. They're being eroded and
you know, I hope there's no places in the UK
where they ain't got any remnants of the music scenecause
that would be so sad.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
Well, I mean, i'd be honest. I mean, you're in that,
you're in that situation really in good at the moment, and.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
You say that, but you guys are working well, I mean, yeah,
that's what I mean.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
So, I mean a lot of.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Five albums, two EPs, what was a single?

Speaker 1 (26:00):
Yeah, the Sex. But I suppose my point with that
being is that, as I say, I almost feel a
bit of a responsibility and I was try and get
something going that's.

Speaker 3 (26:09):
Off the back of that.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
That's beautiful.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
But what I also, you know, would say is, you
know there's some really really good bands in the town
that do covers and stuff. You know, they're absolutely absolutely
rocking it in terms of you know, like they fill
the pubs and what they're doing for the town in
terms of the venues and stuff is brilliant. And I
think my thing is like stepping back, I was like,

(26:32):
these guys are all absolutely fantastic. You know, they're doing
a really good thing with it. And I don't think
it's because people don't want to listen to music. It's
because how do you get the original music into town.
And because none of these places are established doing original music,
we can be a bit of a conduit. Like we
can get in touch with you guys and say, look,
going back to fees and stuff, we're trying to get

(26:52):
this thing going and go. We can give you X
amount of money. It's not much. Because there's that personal connection.
We can almost beak you for a little bit to
get things going. And you know, and I appreciate it
doesn't sound great as like you know, a fellow band
kind of thing, but let's be honest. I mean we've
we've both been and played places where it's a big
city and it's a big promoter and stuff, and you
don't you don't necessarily come away with hundreds and hundreds

(27:15):
of pounds.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
Yeah, a lot of the big promoters pay don't pay
a lot until you've got your foot in the door.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
No, absolutely, And I'm not with them having absolutely and.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
I'm not knocking. I'm worry now people are going to
think that I'm obsessed with money and.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
Stuff, this feeling, and that they must get absolutely spammed
with requests. Oh yeah, definitely, so I get it, you know,
they've got a but.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
Yeah, I mean to me, point is like, obviously, because
we've met so many good people going around and we
call a lot of bands our friends now, is that
we can be a good conduit for bringing them in.
Because if it was up to just like the pubs
going like, oh how do we get these original bands in?
Where do you start? And that's where you can end
up getting scammed. But that's where you can end up
being like ringing an agency or a promoter and saying, oh,

(27:55):
you know, I want some bands to come down here.
And I would be worried that, like, because of the
reputation as as a place and not everyone knows where
it is. Is like people think, oh good, we'll just
we'll just toss it off, we'll just do whatever. Well,
and I think, because we've got a genuine love of
the place and we care about it, it's going to
mean that.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
You'd be the perfect people to pioneer that they make.
That's like anything in it, you've got to be consistent,
you know. Yeah, definitely, I'm quite lucky around here starting
something like this because there's a wealth of talent to
sort of draw up on it. Yeah, it's like quite
a dedicated music scene around here. Yeah, albeit not very big,
but it's having that consistency in it, Like I eventually
want to make the podcast in the Saber Sessions kind

(28:34):
of like you know, like kind of like the New
Adelphia is a stop on everyone's top.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
Yeah, do you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (28:40):
Like that sort of thing, Like you can get a
little bit of a quirky package, a little content package.
That's the way I see it. But I'll only achieve
that by being consistent and enough bands and artists posting
about it to make it relevant to the people to
want to come. So you just got to chip away here.
But like you said, it's probably going to be painful
to begin with.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
Oh yeah, but you've got to do it.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
Yeah, you'll be getting an emat, you'll be getting.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
A considered as well. It's them, them young you know,
boys and girls were doing covers around Gold and what that.
They might they might be fucking itching to that journey.
There's a band around here. I won't mention the name
because it's not fair on them, but been giving them
a little bit of advice, you know, chatting to him
here and there. And they started off as a covers
band and they're really talented, but they had the confidence

(29:22):
come up towards at a gig and say, we really
want to fucking start doing originals, but you know, we
want to write original music, but we wouldn't know how
to start get a gig as an original band. Yeah,
so they had all the intentions, but we had a
good chat for ab a gig in the green room
and said, you need to ring fenure covers. You need
to start a whole new identity as an originals band.

(29:42):
You need to start writing original music. Don't water down
your original music. Push. And then a couple of months later,
I was like, right, we've changed the name to this,
We're doing this like that. They've just been in the
studio recorded a couple of tracks and but so then yeah,
the boys girls, they might they might need that forum
where there's people playing original music, have that kind of
believe to ask and explore playing original music. It's very

(30:05):
easy to play covers in that, you know, it's very
easy to get a bar going.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
It's weird with covers though, because I think even with covers,
I think there's like there's people that are good at them,
and there's people that are really good at them, and
I think the people that are really good at them
to admire it because I think there's a I like
people that put their own spin on stuff, you know,
like not not like changing it to like scar or whatever.
If it's like whatever, you know, like not that much,
it can work. But if to put their own little

(30:30):
spin on it and stuff it can be it can
be a good way to get into it. But to
your point, I mean that advice that you've given that
young band, you know, that's that's the invaluable bit. And
that's the bit where if you've got some kind of
ecosystem where there are some young bands doing originals in
goal what's called lodged in life and the others called counterproducts,
and they're really young, both of them. But even we're

(30:52):
doing this, I thought, it's the worst thing in the
world is that, you know, we put a year's worth
of gigs on, give them the chance to play locally.
We get other bands from out of town to come
and play, see how it goes, and we'll go from there.
But there are young people that are interested in music,
and I kind of think it almost feels like it

(31:13):
would be a bit neglectful of myself to we've got
to this position where we're lucky in the sense that
we worked hard for it, but you know, we get around.
We sell enough records to pay for recording. You know,
we're really lucky. The guys on the streets session brilliant.
You know, we're able to go over and play there,

(31:33):
get us on there. They've been brilliant. I mean, because
we from Google as well, we're kind of like wandering
nomads a little bit. So the fact that in Hold
has been really receptive and as in obviously and like
you've said, Groomsby's only really popped up in the last
few years and it really is as a destination more
so than it was before in terms of the things
that have cropped the.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
Past five years or so. It's really sort of taken
absolutely seriously again.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
And so even with that, like I say, we've gone
to whole lot we calls probably like one of our
bases really in terms of you know that the fans
of the people that follow us, there's a lot in hole.
The more times we come to Grimsby, ufully, you know,
more people start listening to it there. But it's it's
a bit weird being where we're from for the reasons
our outline there, but also just because kind of in

(32:18):
a bit of a Norman's Land there. You're not close
enough to lead to be a Leeds band, You're not
close enough to hold to be a whole band.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
That's what I was saying. Just a satellite art. Yeah,
you ain't got anyone else that's seem to slot into. Yeah,
so you've got to push it on your own. Luckily
in Grimsby. But like awpen Boy, they really put beyond
the map a few years age.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
Really well, I think I think they've done well for
other bands. We're trying to do something from Grimsby. Yeah, absolutely,
it's like, well hopefully one day Healer.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
You know, I was trying to remember the first time
that we that we met in terms of playing.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
I can remember the session, the whole social there was
you and Jackson d on the bell.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
I do remember that night. Then. Yeah, it had not
been open long or it only just opened, I think,
and its social.

Speaker 3 (33:13):
It was through on it for obviously.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
Years yeah, and then and then it reopened as as
a social, and I think it might have been around
when they opened it, you know, I remember now it.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
Was a decent night.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
I remember it being all right.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
I seem to remember it was you win, yeah, actually
I remember now because yeah, I remember.

Speaker 4 (33:28):
Being I can't think if there's anything else I thought
seen your pissed up once outside of pub in like
fucking cotting and the Summits, do you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (33:38):
But we didn't, we didn't know you were. We just
went for Sondra's wedding and he was like, that was
a completely random interaction.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
May it doesn't sound like me.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
It was definitely no.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
Yeah, but being on the Sober Sessions, that's that's a
good that's a good a good sign. But it's interesting
actually because even on that side of things, obviously from
the podcast, I've picked up that you know you're involved
with this because you've got the passion related to the
fact that you know the sober lifestyle, and.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
We're very passionate about the Creative Start project that you know.
For those who don't know have not listened before, it
it aims to get people through recovery by empowering them
with art projects and things like that. Yeah, it's it's
it's something called a live experience recovery organizations. To the
people who are providing that sort of recovery care and
that advice and guidance are people who have lived experience

(34:34):
of it. Yeah, and I just think it's great some
of the things they do for the town and for
the recovery community and whatnot. And that's that's where my
passion comes into it, you know, about that that project
through this, you know, and as you know yourself, there's
a lot of people who in music who do have
problems with definitely substances and whatnot, and with olcohol. So

(34:54):
absolutely there's a lot of crossover. And if we can
share some stories of wisdom of people have got through that,
and he was creating a sort of healing, then why
not platform that, you know, why not?

Speaker 1 (35:06):
It's becoming a lot more common for people to knock
it on the head. I mean, like saying, my best
friend he just woke up one morning and was like,
I'm not having a drink anymore. Not in a really
dramatic way, you want, like for any particular reason, like
he wanted. He didn't wake up after you know, some
horrible event or anything like that. It was just just
add enough, just literally just drunk enough. Then he just said,

(35:28):
I'm not I don't want anymore. Yeah, he says, like
he's not militant about it in a sense, he's not
like saying he's never going to have a drink again,
But I do admire it. I've had periods where not
drinking I thought, Yeah, I get the benefit of it.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
Yeah, I don't have many redeeming qualities, does it. He's
done then being like a social lubric Yeah, but I
mean I still have the odd drink, but I've probably
had less than ten pints this year, do you know
what I mean? And it's if I didn't play gigs,
I'll probably never have a drink.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
Yeah, that's the thing.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
And that is it the same for you? Do you
feel like like you say, I'm sensible? I hate I
hate feeling rough after a drink.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
I don't like being pissed either, do you know what
I mean? Yeah, I can't remember the last time I
drunk I got pissed. You know, I'm kind of like that.
I'm a I'm a pub man in the sense that
I just loved being in pubs. So obviously being in
a band, you're in a lot of pubs. If Sandra's
wedding was a pub, what sort of pub woul it'd be?

Speaker 1 (36:28):
It'd be it'd be a bit like white locks in
Leeds do you know White Locks, you know, the really
old one down the ginnel. It'd be a bit like
White Locks, old old style, but like what would have
years ago been like a proper working pub, like a
lot of traffic coming through, people having a few pints.
I'm not into I'm not into like trendy bars and stuff.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
As such, gentrified venues.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
I'm not one of them. That's like camera real ale
kind of like, oh no, I'm never going to place like,
it's not like that. It's just I just, yeah, there's
a certain fact almost that vibe.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
Quint essentially, you know, I just love pubs.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
Yeah, pubs, just proper pubs. Yeah, like that thing of
my my film said, don't get it because she didn't
grow up in pubs and she's not really like bothered
like for me going to pub it's just it's the
experience in itself. And I was actually thinking about obviously
relationship with alcohol and stuff obviously coming on here because

(37:27):
I thought potentially it might come up. So I was
just sort of like as I was walking with round
with Pram, and I was thinking, I think one of
the reasons that one of the best things for me
about drinking is the idea of that first pint. Yeah,
like going out and thinking where's it gonna be, what's

(37:47):
it going to be?

Speaker 2 (37:48):
You know, like when tradition of like the routine of that.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
Yeah. Well, it's like when I think about drinking, because
I know that you've discussed it on other podcasts with
other people, is like, I've never drunk or I like
you said, to get drunk, you know, like that oblivion thing.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
It's never really been my thing. Obviously when you're younger
it happens to it.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
But the thing is I did it that much? Yeah, yes,
when it is that, it just it gets to a
point where I'm like, so you wouldn't qualities for that,
do you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (38:12):
It's so there would have been a period like when
it was just a means to an end to just
like blackout kind of like like that.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
I grew up on one of the most socially deprived Yeah. Yeah, yeah,
it's like you're a product of your environment growing up. Yeah,
as a kid in a place like this, do you
know what I mean? It's just like no fault of anyone's. Yes,
Like I grew up fucking going. I can't wait till
I'm eighteen. I can't wait to go out and do
you know what I mean? It's sad really, and a
lot of kids are like that growing up. And I
do get it, you know. It's it's because it's taboo,

(38:39):
isn't it. It's like it's like golden egg you chasing
and you can't have it till you're eighteen, you know.
So I do get it. But I just went that
hard bay when I was younger, particularly like I was
in the army for a bit and fucking culture in
the army and stuff like, yeah, initiations and stuff, and
the initiation is just boredom, do you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (38:57):
What do you do downtime?

Speaker 2 (38:58):
Just get piste? Yeah, you know, you live with a
bunch of animals, mate, Everyone's trying to fucking testosterone each
other out there. But yeah, I've done it off and
you know it's it's not good for you. I feel
like shits every time we have a drink. But gigs, mate,
gigs are the problem. You think, oh, just fucking just
one or two. I have one and I'll get a
bit looser on the stage and whatnot, you know what

(39:19):
I mean. But I've done several gigs ober, you know,
I can do it without.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
It's weird in it.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
Get gremlin that, yeah, it's weird in it because, like
you say, I not, it's not a trademark as such,
but like I will often just have a pint at
my feet on stage, and you know, I think about
that in terms of sometimes I think I use it
as a bit of a crutch in the sense that
I think if I take a pint on stage, people
think he's not he's kind of it's kind of loose

(39:50):
with it. Yeah, we'll let him off. He's not because
he's drunk, but because he's obviously like in a comfortable situation.
You know, he's having a beer and you want to
get across like not an every man kind of vibe
with it, but like I just think I imagine it
being away for an audience to think, oh right, yeah,
he's having a pint.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
Something to connect with and it's not even that I don't.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
Know it's weird because they've been thinking about it.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
You feel like it's almost like a bit of a
safety net for you.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
Yeah, potentially you.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
Almost have a bit more leeway to to be well.
It kind of makes you more comfortable with the idea
of maybe.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
Going wrong perhaps, Yeah, potentially think oh.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Well I've kind of got over fail because they might
just go, oh yeah, there is maybe an that's a
bit of a safety net sort of thing potentially.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
Absolutely, same like people like some singers prefer having a
mic stand because they feel like it's a natural bad yeah, crowded,
it just gives them that little bit of extra conslation
on stage. But it's interesting about people's little you know.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
I've done I've done some of gig sober though, and
it's never been I'm not.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
I'm not like if I'm doing a gig sober, I'm
not like sort of started stage like, oh my god,
I'm not going to do it.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
I'm gonna do it out the beer.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
It's not not like that. It's just I'm a bit
like if there's one available, I'll probably have it. You know,
like say when you go into gigs and stuff, and
like you say, anyway you're playing, inevitably there's there's alcohol
in there. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Yeah, that's your office and and it's room for the Yeah,
people are usually.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
Absolutely, But yeah, in terms of even like you're talking
about obviously your background and obviously the fact that when
you're younger, a lot of drinking was quite disruptive.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
I mean again, even with that, i'd be quite I
suppose it'll look really that. You know. My upbringing one
is such where I've had a relationship with alcohol where
I imagine it's horrible, you know, to drink to just
like switch off fully, like just be like right, I'm
shutting down. You know, I'm going to drink. It's like
for me, it's like it's a out in pubs in
company hitting a level. And I mean I love like

(41:49):
low strength beer, you know, just drink it all day,
but like to the point where you go home in
an evening and you yeah, you're a bit fuzzy and whatever,
but you're not. I think it sounds it must be
hard to have that reallyship alcohol weight. And again I'm
lucky because I don't know about yourself. When I drink,
my personality don't really change, and I've been around people

(42:11):
where it does, and I just think that must be
really really draining.

Speaker 3 (42:15):
You know, Like I mean, I'm like a jackal and
I kind of thing in it.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
Yeah, I mean I'm a pretty like do you know.
I wouldn't say that over the confidence, but I like,
you know, I never take anything too seriously. I've always
and stuff. I always have a laugh of stuff, and
that's elevated when I've had a drink and I can
get a bit fucking obnoxious with it. Do you know
what I mean with that? But it's one of them.
It's like if I drink to get paste, you know,

(42:40):
if if I'm drunk, of course I'm going to be
a dickhead. Do you know I've got no inhibitions. Do
you know when when I'm like a cocky sort of
funny you know, trying to make a laugh of everything. Anyway,
take that filter away, mate, I'm fucking dangerous, you know.
But but yeah, gone on the days of that.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
You know a lot of young people are drinking now.
That's interesting.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
I think it's becoming more and more distasteful to people,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (43:10):
Yeah, I can see why.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
Yeah, yeah, but I think that's with everything. Like, I
wouldn't be surprised if you know how there's like a
vape for smoking cigarette. Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if
they don't bring out some like because I feel like
the alcohol industry has got to evolve, An't there more
people putting the drink down they've got to give them
a healthy that's going to getting sucked up there, And

(43:32):
that sounds daft, don't it. Like they've got to give
them a whole they alternative to getting sucked up. Yeah,
but that unfortunately, that's that's advertising. Absolutely, they're still going
to want to sustain themselves somehow. They're going to want
to make it attractive to young people.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
There are some drinks out there that have got like
these natural stimulants and and stuff like. But they call
it like a buzz, don't they. Whether it's not. It's
not like caffeine or like that. It's literally I don't
know what it is, but it's some some melement that's
some synthetic thing done where they say like if you
have two you get the same kind of light little

(44:06):
kick that you get if you have you know, a
couple of couple of pints somewherever. But as I said,
I think context is key for me with drinking. Like
say you're in a lot of pubs with the band,
and then when we get mixes back, you know, like
when you're recording obviously you've been recording recently, when you
getting mixes back and listening to him just love sitting
it pubably headphones on. Just yeah, that's where I do it. Yeah, yeah,

(44:28):
writing as well lyrics. Sometimes I just feel comfortable in it,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
And there's nothing against that, no, it is, it is
against and I think, I mean, you're very lucky in
the sense that like, like like me in the sense
you know, yeah, you've got a good relationship with it. Yeah,
you know, I'm always looking in the sense that there's
been times when I've drunk excessively, but I've never been
an alcoholic. Yeah, yeah, it's never grabbed me. And I
have a very addictive personality. But I'm very lucky in
the sense that alcohol I've always been like, for drink

(44:55):
too much, boots, I'm going to stink and I'm going
to feel awful. Oh yeah, I mean so that that's
always been like, yeah, we're so lucky because for a
lot of people.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
Absolutely, you know.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
I mean I'm kind of saying now thinking like I said,
I've come with a podcasts basically going I drink. It's brilliant.

Speaker 3 (45:11):
It's not.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
It's not It's not that I'm not here to preach no, no,
I'm not here to push it on anyone. I'm here
to try and have about it when it comes up.
If you know what I mean to say.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
I I I kind of know that I drink too
much in the sense that you know, any amount is
too much really in it. But I do I do
sometimes sit and think, you know, we're just having a
younger and stuff as well. He's I don't know if
i'd want him to have the same relationship with alcoholic

(45:42):
I've got in the sense that I know, I know
for a fat my fans because again she's not a
big lover of pubs and all that kind of thing.
So he's not going to be sat around like I am,
you know, like going through a few pints on the
afternoon and stuff. He just won't be. And I just think, yeah, absolutely,
And I mean he's only like one and a half,
so I mean it's to be different again by the
time he's sort of old enough. And I mean, I'm

(46:05):
sure that you'll agree as well with this is I
think the one thing about the what replaces it is
pubs are a great community space. Yeah, and that's going
to be a big thing that people have to wrestle
with in terms of you know, retrofitting these places and what.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
You're doing here.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
You're answering the question, really, are you of what you
can do where people don't have to go and have
a beer? Yea, and think there can be music and
they can be you know, culture and creativity and stuff.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
When we've got a rougher building open across the way,
we're going to lean into a bit of a dry bar. Yeah,
because people do use aerober cent alcohol as a tool
to get sober. Yeah, and having his aerobsent beer behind
the batter might be the difference between someone taking that
first step, do you know what I mean? Yeah, somebody
who goes, I can't go to a gig graat beer. Well,

(46:52):
you can go to a gig and you can have
his aerobsent beer. Yeah, you have a great time.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
Some of the zeros are quite good.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
And there's a bit of a there's a bit of
a culture around it as well. It's becoming a bit
of a trendy thing. And I'm not saying we don't
want to get to a point where we're promoting zero
per cent alcohol, but we want we want people to
use that as a tool that our events should they
need it. Because at the end of the the way,
I see it is if you're putting on an event,
if you can put on a zero persent beer and

(47:19):
someone like you know, me or you or someone who
would usually go to a drink and have a beer
and usually go to a gig and have a beer,
they can come to one of our events and have
a zero percent alcohol bea yeah, you know. I see
that as like a little winning that rise, you know,
recovery project. Absolutely, and it's normalizing that experience for people
as well, and it's you know, opening more people up

(47:41):
to the idea of it.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
Absolutely. I do think one thing that's changed recently is
the stigma of even in my time, drinking or someone
comes out and says I'm not drinking the pastor have
been a bit of light you want to get just
get hammered until they just had because they think it's
not worth it. I'm just getting so much stick, you

(48:05):
know if I'm not having a beer. Whereas now, I
think people are a bit more tuned in and a
bit more chere with it. I think. So I say
someone in a friendship group says I'm not drinking, I
don't think they'd be the same amount. I mean, some
people are looking in the sense you know I'm talking.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
It's that like mental health conversation.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
I think I think there's a big part of that. Yeah, absolutely, that's.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
What's come to when when you mentioned that. For maybe
it's because people are like heading up a bit more
about about stuff, and it's especially men's mental health.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
Absolutely feel like.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
The stigmas slowly starting to lift on mental health. But
it's just I think it's an age thing as well.
And do you know what I mean, Like when you're young,
like everyone's just fucking trying to out out for everyone
and everyone is like everyone's stuck in that silent mindset
of you know, when we can binge drink and like

(48:52):
that there. But like thinking back, I've definitely been that
person in the past. It has been like, oh, you dick,
can't have a drink, do you know.

Speaker 3 (48:58):
What I mean? Yeah, but we all have.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
You know, I'm thinking back now, like therese a fucking
bit of a sour taste in your mouth, don't it going?
So if I've been that, I've been trying to fucking
force someone to have a bed, do you know what
I mean?

Speaker 1 (49:10):
Souly, I think I think the other thing you realize
when you get I mean like turning thirty five is
a lot's changed since we started going I'm drinking. Yeah,
the world was a different place, you know in two
thousand and six, seven, eight, Yeah it was. Yeah, you
look at stuff that was on and it's ridiculous because
it's the same thing as saying early two thousands, looking
back to like late seventies, early eighties, you'd have gone,

(49:33):
it's a different world, and it's it's only the same jump.
And I think it's weird our relationship with time and
like things, how things change, and I think now the
world changes.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
Well that is what you're describing, is it is no,
because I feel the same. I'm thirty two, so I'm
a little bit younger than Yeah, I'm gonna be thirty
three this year, but I feel like I'm on that
precipice of style.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
See, modern the modern day is a bit like fucking
like that our day.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
I mean, like my mum was a bar maid growing
up for years at the Royal Navy Club in Cleefes,
and my dad was like my dad's ex Navy is
like involved with the association things, So I'd like this
really deep connection to this.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
Yeah, this pub basically was.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
A club do you know growing up in that, you know,
like fucking my mum would be working eight hour shifts
and me and my brother would be in there all day,
playing pool, fucking climbing on stuff, do you know what
I mean, trying to trick the punters into giving us
coins so we could go to the shop and things
like that.

Speaker 1 (50:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
Yeah, people smoking or ful ashtrays. People would frown upon
that nowadays, just a normality for us, weren't it, do
you know what I mean? You couldn't imagine a child
in today's day and age growing up in a pub
that was full of smokers and old veterans and there,
do you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (50:47):
Absolutely? Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
I thought about that past as well, just in terms
of like taking kids in pubs in general. Yeah, I mean,
like you say, you just used to get put in
a corner and are about a coke and stuff, and
it's you can say that and like some people may
be gone it should they should have don't matter.

Speaker 3 (51:06):
Yeah, but that's just what That's just what it was.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
It's just normal, and it's just the.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
Way things were swayed with Claster.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
Because I've thought about this as well, how in the
place like gol or Greensby and home stuff. Like a
lot of the pubs where the community pubs are, you know,
people using them are not the most affluent and stuff
is people probably say, for example, someone did take the
kids in the pub, maybe would be a bit of
that kind of should be doing that noways you go
to these gentrified places in London and laid and stuff,

(51:35):
there's a couples ago they're going pub for hours and
hours and hours with the kids and they'll leave him
in a bram and stuff because they're not in a
flat roof pub in Grimsby or yeah, goal whatever.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
It's someone going to look at it and go I
don't know if she'd be doing that.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
I know it's not a direct comparison and stuff, but
in terms of its yeah, it is what it is.
But yeah, I've thought about that. I mean, let's say
it's not like a like for light kind of thing
or anything.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
But it's an interesting one. Pub culture though, isn't it?
Because it is. I think it is something that really
defines British culture and in some ways, like growing up
I always saw pubs is like it's almost like the
town's square, do you know what I mean? A place
where like my dad was going and fucking sussing out
the world with his mates. Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (52:25):
Yeah, I think.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
There's not a lot of that anymore, do you know
what I mean? There's not a lot of that anymore.
Like men used to go and meet up in the
pub and put the world to rights. Didn't there and
they don't anymore, So say men men go out and
get fucked up when they go to the pub. Really
that social thing anymore? But well, from my experience anyway,
people think to get to get messed up.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
I think a big part of that is and I
never realized it, but you didn't start getting high strength
lags and stuff until like mid nineties, late nineties into
two thousands years and year. When people used to go
to the pub, you'd been drinking stuff that you need
to drink twelve points of it to get.

Speaker 3 (53:04):
Piste, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
And that's where as you say you'd have you'd spend
all this time with people and you'd have all these conversations.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
And don't get me wrong, people used to get steaming.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
I mean it's alf whiskey and yeah, you know all
that stuff on the back on the back shelf, top shelf.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
But yeah, I do, I do. I mean it can
sound a bit kind of like.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
Rose tinted about it, but I'd love to go back
to pubs years ago and just see what it was like. Yeah,
I bet, I bet they were just as horrible and
they were full of just as many horrible people and stuff.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
But I feel like going down on our high street,
Freeman Street, it's like a little look into the past.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
Mate.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
I've never really done Graumsby, never really done grooms.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
I reckon you'd love, You'd love going for a few
pints down Freeman Street. I bet it's right your street.
It's a Freeman Street. Just you know, if you look
down Freeman Street at the end of it's the dock
tower on the docks. Yeah, yeah, I mean it is
the is the street where the fishermen would come off
the boats. Yeah, you know three day millionaires week millionaires
would go out the woman Eyes gamble pubs. And there

(54:04):
used to be I can't remember there's a really We'll
have to try and find that and if I can
put it up in the podcast right now, I'll put
it up. But it was there was an insane amount
of pubs within like a square mile of Grimmsby Docks.
Back in the day, there's.

Speaker 3 (54:16):
Still quite a lot.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
There's a decent street, but now a lot of them
have been closed down now and you know things like that.
There used to be a couple on here as well.
But you go down Freeman Street and it's one of
them where all the boozeres. Yeah, this is some lad
to come off the docks and the straight in there shift,
you know then proper old school, Yeah, class boozers.

Speaker 3 (54:37):
Is there something that ha been there for a long
time then, but something.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
Been there a very long time? Yeah, yeah, yeah, but
the Wellington Arms that's where Grimsby Time Football Club sort
of had its inception, you know what I mean? So
that that that pub's over one hundred years old with
really really old place here.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
He was gim was it nineteen eight?

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Not sure? Not sure?

Speaker 1 (54:54):
Dane?

Speaker 2 (54:55):
When I google that.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
Bringing up Jamie as if Joe Rogan had ever asked
Jamie when was Grimsby Town founded?

Speaker 2 (55:04):
It's andy having you know, it's good and do you
know what I feel like I've got a bit more freedom.

Speaker 3 (55:09):
Well, you know, because it's my first podcast.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
I did, I did, I was going to I was
going to do it as a joke anyway, because I've
always wanted to do the off camera thing.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
Eighteen seventy eight was way off.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
Yeah, yeah, been way off twice time. It was only
about thirty years off.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
Yeah. Well, I said, that's not absolutely that long, is it?
Blinking of an eye? Blinking of an eye? Yeah. It
was funny because after I've been to pick that shirt
up that we're using tonight, I was walking down a
light street and there was a guy walking down in
the grooms By Town shirt. But it was like a
it must have been like ninety two ninety three. Yeah, yeah,
because the sponsor on there, the Europe's foot Town.

Speaker 3 (55:49):
I was I did it.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
I was like I saw it on it must have
been I think there was it sponsor like in ninety
five ninety six when Deer Door kit.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
But anyway, yeah, it was definitely a night as early
night as Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
I was looking at I think in Europe's Food Town,
What on earth does that mean? And then like say,
I mentioned it to you and he said, obviously you
know the amount of sort of freshwasher fishing and stuff.
But I bet they used to export a lot to Mediterranean.
They're like a huge you know it.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
Would have gone out from everywhere. Yeah, yeah, yeah, got
out everywhere. This the Docs were on now is fucking massive, mate.
I'll take you through the rest of the building and
there's some pictures up around the building of what the
Docs was like in its prime, and I'd have loved
to have seen what this place was like it it's
prime because you look out on the pond too now
and it's there's nothing there. Yeah, you look at the

(56:38):
old pictures and it is stacked full of fish, stacked
full of geese. Yes, you know, hard men and women,
you know, with rough hands, callous hands, absolutely stitching nets,
moving kits of fish about time. You know, the town
had a lot of hate back then. Yeah, there's a
lot of industry, but there's not a lot of industry now.
There's a bit, but you know, nothing compared to what

(56:58):
it was.

Speaker 3 (56:59):
Being able to go. I can see it.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
I mean, like say, my dad worked on shipyard, my
family going back to Granded works on dogs and stuff.
And then it's another thing about that connection to place
and you're roll in an area and like what you
bring to your community and stuff, because you know, I
look at mysel sometimes and I think he's going to
look at his dad and go, what did you do?

(57:21):
And it's like, I don't know. I had a lanyard
for a bit and I had an office job, and
you know what is that like? Is he going to
be proud of that?

Speaker 3 (57:31):
Is he going to be how do you how do
you place yourself within that?

Speaker 1 (57:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (57:34):
But I mean like, really, do you think it's the
case you're shaping your kid's perspective? Really?

Speaker 1 (57:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (57:38):
Absolutely?

Speaker 2 (57:39):
And I think like I'm a dad. I've got an
eight year old and he's good having a job and
that in it and having all that and whatnot. But
I want to to grow up thinking my dad's like
the fucking kindest, most supportive, happiest. I can trust him
with anything, do you know what I mean? Well, everything
else is secondary. And yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
I suppose with the mental health thing that that kind
of outlook, you wouldn't you wouldn't have heard a lot
of people of spousing things like that even thirty four
years ago, in my opinion, in the sense that you know,
people would have lived their lives like that and they
would have you know, they love you know, your family
and everyone in it. Yeah, but I think it's a

(58:22):
lot more common for people to talk about that kind
of thing in it and to to sort of outwards
to say, you know, like this is how I'm gonna
raise my kids, and these are my values and stuff,
and this is what we do because, like you say,
things used to be behind closed doors, didn't they like
in terms of like you never used to really know,
but a lot about like what families were like or.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
Yeah, and I think there was I think there was
more clearly defined gender roles as well. Yeah, you know
what I mean, like whether it's correct or not, do
you know what I mean? It's traditionally the men went
out to work and the women were children and in
families kind of aford to do that. Families could afford
to have three, four five children while the dad was

(59:05):
pretty absolutely and affording it. But obviously you can't do
that nowadays, can you. But definitely more clearly defined gender
roles back in the day, where the man would go
out to work, you know, and the woman would. I
don't how do we get onto that? I think we
podcast is a massive tangent, mate. I think I've asked
you about one of my nights.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
And now I'm word because I'm sort of thinking. I've
basically said I hate being in a band, and I've
come on a sober podcast and said I love going
to the pub.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
That's the highlight right there. Mate, that's it. But we
have got such on some sand. But I want to
get into your new album. So you've got five albums
thus far. Yea Hopeful Boy Replacement Service being the last one.

Speaker 3 (59:48):
Yeah, correct, twenty twenty three.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
Three, Yeah, yeah, I love the artwork for that. By
the way, that that was that chat GPT. No, No,
I'm so glad you said we've.

Speaker 3 (59:59):
Never tell a lie. We'd never use the eye.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
We've only used it once and it was for a
single cover and I feel bad about that. I feel
bad about doing that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
Yeah, we talked about this.

Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
Yeah, we dipsa So it was before it was a while.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
I think it had been about twenty twenty one when
it was really early in terms of the stuff that
you can use online for three. Yeah, we did a
single cover with it, but it won't even a full cover.
It was an element of it. But anyway, yeah, the
slight tangent again. But the the artist who did that
cover is called Peter Scott and he's from gould Yeah. Yeah,
it's really good, Peter. Yeah, brilliant artist. He's yeah, he's

(01:00:42):
he's done books and he does a lot of commissions
and stuff for children's books, and it does a lot
of wildlife painting. So yeah, you should see the Facebook
message that I sent him explaining what exactly I wanted
on the on the on the painting busy. There's a
lot of stuff going on there. Yeah, but yeah that's

(01:01:04):
flown as well. Twenty twenty three.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
Good album, mate, good album. My favorite song is is
the Hopeful Boy replace opening track. I think it's brilliant. Yeah, yeah,
I really like the video as as well. You know,
the stock footage sort of yeah, old timey clips of
you and Johnny and Mottnart.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
So that was that was again, that was called in
a bit of a favor from a mate, Dave video.
He lives in London. He's one of them. Yeah on
to London with his laptop and yeah yeah yeah yeah,
oh yeah kids, Yeah he will be well, he'll be there, Yeah,
he'll be there hours and hours an end then no, no,

(01:01:43):
everyone will just be going yeah why not brilliant? Do
have some friends in London to do that, But I'm
not I'm not gonna I'm not gonna name names, but
it was the same. Yeah, the artwork, another video, the editing. Yeah,
they mate of ours called He's from God but he
lives in London. No, he helps us out. He helps

(01:02:06):
us out a bit doing that. But honestly, mate, don't
you I don't know if you agree, but do not
find all that stuff, all that side of being in
a band quite draining?

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
What everything of them playing music? Yeah, I wish it
wasn't necessary, but because it is, I try and enjoy it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
Yeah, maybe draining is the wrong word.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
It is cumbersome and a I think cumbersome might be
the correct Yeah, yeah, you're right right. We had a
plan in meet and yesterday obviously just go out of
the studio. We're putting recording four track EP, so we've
got to record, release some singles and put the EP out.
So we had a planning meeting yesterday. We've got a
list of jobs together for single one. It was fucking
thirty six jobs on that list. Video ideas, all sorts

(01:02:51):
of mate, I mean, video was just one thing on
that list that was one. I am all thirty five
outs was like we need to update bios when he
cover photo. We need fucking this ePK, send out to bloggers,
we need send to radio stations, need to uplead to
BBC introduced the amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
You know, yeah, do you do all that stuff?

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
Didn't have to do all that? I wish you could
just put a record out and your record, yeah, success
based on the merit of the product. But unfortunately you've
got to do everything else. You're right, Yeah, I want
a good stab at it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
I've had a similar conversation with a singer from Scotland
it's called Sylvie Good Artist playing with her in July,
just saying the same thing about like it's a real
catch twenty two in it because all the stuff you
don't want to do, you've got to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
You've got to do it well.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
And then and then the music you finish it and anything.
I've really enjoyed that and I'm really proud of this.
Now I've got to hang off all these emails and
I've got to do this. And let's say, there's worse
things in the world and than sending emails and doing
all that kind of thing. But it can be a
bit and especially if you're really proud of someone and

(01:03:57):
you do do all that stuff, and then you still
think I feel like more people could have heard this.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
Yeah, yeah, you never know how it's going to land.
But I mean, and it's it's one of them. We
we've paid for PR on songs.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
You know, we've done that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
You know it's not cheat mate, you know, and we
might as well we've done that. We've had more successful
campaigns doing our own thing.

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
We might as well have taken suitcases of cash out
in Garden and Burnham or compared to paying for PR
and stuff. Yeah, yeah, that's just another thing i'd say
to a young band'styde. What we said about the PR thing,
the paying for it, and I don't know if you
had a similar mindset was until we do it, we're
not going to know if it's the swizz that I

(01:04:41):
think it is. So we did it in quite a
positive mindset. We We didn't do it thinking we're going
to be absolute top of the pops here. You know
we're going to get this kind of a but you
get unindicated with all that stuff though, You're like, you
know we can do this, we can do that, and
you know we've we have done it in past, not
not a smaller money either. I've spoke to so many

(01:05:02):
bands I've done it, you know, and there's people just
sat laughing we paid you know X amount of money.
You know, you're getting an email back, however long six
weeks later, or the track's been played on like East
Anglia Coastal bedroom radio and they go, well, I'm not
knocking it. That's brilliant, but I don't know if it

(01:05:26):
was worth that much money. But the thing is, anyone
who's doing that pr has the perfect out and it's
the perfect way to make money. Is praying again, I
keep using language and I don't want it to come
across like but praying on bands in the sense that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:43):
You pay for it for them to promote this.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
Song or album, and if it's not getting the traction
that you think it should because you love it, they
can just say it's not everyone's cup of tea. I
don't think people are really picking it up. And you
can't then surround and go well that's rubbish because it's brilliant.

Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
You're in a real bind.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
When you're looking at like that. There's a bit of
a fucking it's a bit of a flawed way to
do things. And yeah, well it's kind of like insurance
in it like loads of money. You might need it,
you might not need it. Yeah, you know, in it's
own PR like give him loads of money. Absolutely, it
might work, it might not work.

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
There might be there might be PR people that use
this model. But I thought about it before and saying
if you if you put the cash in like escrow,
so it's not gone anywhere, and you say, right, results based, Yeah,
you get stuff that's good that he's gonna You're gonna
get it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:36):
You're gonna get him.

Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
Yeah. All I mean, but there'll be people who are
in that world listening to this going well, what do
you know about it?

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
And I get it because it is it's a different world.
And I'm not I've.

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
Said it a few times because I've come to this
podcasts like just mourning about everything. But it's not the case.
It's like, I'm not like this didn't mean knocking any
element of like the music, music industry, the people involved.
There's loads of really good people, but I just think
it is that handful of people that are just not
that just make me think, Yeah, the amount of times
we've said as a band, so we've made this record

(01:07:06):
and it feels like everyone has been paid apart from
us in terms of what you recouping. You know, you've
paid for pr you've paid for this, you've paid for distribution,
you've paid for But like we said, all the money
we make goes back into band anyway. So yeah, you
know it's not and we're looking at we're looking and
unlocky in the sense that we've got jobs, so you know,
the music is passionate outside. I feel for people who've

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taken the plunge and they do it, you know, it's
their income because it's a big yeah risk, it's a
big jump you risk.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
Yeah, yeah, it'd have to be. I'd have to have
some guarantees. Yeah, I mean, which is a shame. Absolutely
do that. But there's just a next support out there
for creatives really as a what thererate is, but you've
really got to look for it. And even then it's
only to sustain certain projects or certain development opportunities. There's
nothing where it's like, oh, you're a good creative, let's

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just give you some funding so you can do more
of that and put more of that into the universe.
Two ideas sticking.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
So if anyone's listening, I want to give us a
couple of J's Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
Yeah, I'd be happy with two g G get us
back in the studio.

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
Yeah, I mean obviously, once we've covered admin costs everything,
there'd be about three hundred left foot music.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
Yeah. So artist racks. That's a new album out from Yeahs.
When can people expect that to drop? Where we're at
with that?

Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
We we're recording at Young Thugs again in York with
Johnny Hooker Patients of a Saint. To be fair, we're
quite good at recording, and I mean that in the
sense that we were looking I'm lucky in the sense
that the guys in't man a good musicians. You know,
we don't. We don't really have many issues with recording.

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It's more creative. We enjoy it because we can just
be creative with it. But next Wednesday we've got the
string quartet that's not being cheap nice. So again, because
it fits the vibe, I've just thought, let's just do it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:13):
I've always wanted to have live strings on an album.

Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
Maybe, but I wish I could tell you, but I can't.
But I I wholeheardly agree.

Speaker 1 (01:09:23):
I feel like I'm picking up on that. I'm reading between.

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
The lines from ship going on. Yeah, maybe reminiscent of
what you're doing.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
That's good.

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
That's all I can say.

Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
But so we both have both bands been I've been flaced,
not Fleece, not Flace. But you've we've we've made a
we've made an investment in the sound.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
We haven't made an investment, We've made a relationship.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
That's good.

Speaker 3 (01:09:51):
It sounds like you've done it right. I'm trying to
work more about that screen. Yeah, I'm working.

Speaker 1 (01:09:56):
I think I think I think I've worked it out
and I think that that that sounds good though.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
That it will be fun. Yeah, so is that You've
got sites like getting excited start you're thinking.

Speaker 3 (01:10:05):
About you're doing the you're doing for EP.

Speaker 2 (01:10:09):
We've just done an e P.

Speaker 1 (01:10:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
Yeah, so we was at Chapel Studios for those and
that's just just South of Love. It's got some great credits.

Speaker 1 (01:10:17):
That place look earlier.

Speaker 2 (01:10:19):
It was in there the week before we were It
was in the before sorry slow dive.

Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
Oh yeah yeah, yeah, yes.

Speaker 2 (01:10:25):
I think Actic Monkey's first album. Whatever people say, and
that's what I'm not. I think that was famous to recorded.

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
Yeah, Catfish in.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
The Bottom and have been there, got some really good credits.

Speaker 3 (01:10:35):
It was the is it one guy who does a
producer a few that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
Yes, we well we didn't. We didn't have a producer
as such. We had an engineer with us, yea called
called Peter Lovely Lad growing quite close over the studio time.
Really nice. Is he affiliated with the studio, Yes, he
works for Chapel Studio. Yeah, he lives in Leeds, but
he goes and lives at the studio when this project's on,
you know, things like that. But one of that, he

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was an engineer, but he really really got our sounds
straight away, and we even began producing some elements by
the end of it. But it was a two way relationship.
I don't think he would have done it unless he
thought he was comfortable doing it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
Well, by the end of it we was. We was
a good fucking team. So it was like having a
six band member in the room mate, which when you're
in that studio environment, Yeah, somebody who fully gets it it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:27):
It makes the job a lot easier when the woever's
doing it with you is into it. Yeah. Like I say,
even with that dynamic in the past, if it's just
a job to someone and it it always a job,
but if they're getting into it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:41):
Yeah, it gives you a bit of a lift on it, and.

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
It means that you're you're hoping that they're getting a
bit more out of it than just plugging in and twisting.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
And you know, today, for example, he was mixing. Mixing
was on Wednesday. Yeah, mixing day was Wednesday. It's a
few days ago. Today he's sending updated mixers going on.
I've been listening to him on headphones and I've had
this idea. I've put a mix in there in the folder.
Let me know what you think. And though the song
sounded perfect anyway, go in and listen to it. And then

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I'm like, the sound even better with his suggestions, and
he's just like when when I didn't think I had
any room to get any better, he just you know,
but that's because he's sad at him listening to the
music best as possible, you know. But it's a special record.
I'm so excited. Have you got done your artwork? We

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haven't yet.

Speaker 3 (01:12:35):
Now how does that work in bands?

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
Is that? Do you lack of one? Who want? One
of you? Guys? And I think we should do this
as well.

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
We've sucked about a little bit with AI back in
the day but we've decided, we've kind of made a
consensus that it needs to be a high quality photo.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:53):
I think I think everyone's using AI spit cheap in it,
do you know what I mean? And you can you
can kind of tell.

Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
Get Dan Dan take it. He's been on pod on it.
Did you have him on Dan Baker?

Speaker 3 (01:13:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
Yeah, he said interaction with you guys.

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
Did he tell you about the Yeah, yeah, that there
when honestly we were talking about afterwards and I was
like ended.

Speaker 2 (01:13:16):
Up getting on the Country's Best Street Photographers.

Speaker 3 (01:13:20):
Did he tell you the story?

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
Yeah? We did. Yeah, yeah, he said. You just kind
of called him and went, oh, mate, you've you've got
a camera?

Speaker 1 (01:13:25):
He was what he was.

Speaker 3 (01:13:27):
He was just on the street in Cleethorpes.

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
Yeah, and I was walking, we were walking towards beach
because we were just going to get a rubbish picture
on the phone or whatever, and he had the he
had a little yeah, his camera around his neck.

Speaker 3 (01:13:42):
Yeah, and I just like I just saw him.

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
When I thought I'm just going to ask, I just went,
is that digital? And I don't even know why I
asked that, because like why would it matter? And he
was like this analogue his film, was like, oh no,
it might have been digital. Actually he had his he
had a film camera with him with that was digital.
And I was like, look, we're going to go to
beach and take a couple of pictures. We're in a band.
If you want to come and take something, that'd be brilliant.

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He was like.

Speaker 3 (01:14:11):
Singing these pictures and I shared. I said, I'll.

Speaker 1 (01:14:14):
Send you a few quid a bit of beer money,
you know, thanks for doing that. Cheers, mate, give me
a thing. And then I went on his profile. It
was like yeah, one hundred and of thousand followers and stuff,
and I was.

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
Like, well, thirty k following.

Speaker 1 (01:14:25):
I always embellished things.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
Don't today though, I was like, you got fifty k
followers on you.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
He was like he's a really nice guy.

Speaker 2 (01:14:32):
I was like, well it's you, honest mate, really nice then, yeah,
lovely bloke. Yeah. First time I met him when he
when we had been in the studio the other day. Yeah,
it was a really nice guy. Yeah. I mean we
didn't plan it, but we wanted a team photo because
I'm very mindful that there's day and there's another guy, Connor,
who do a lot of work on this behind the scenes. Yeah,
and I feel like they don't get enough sort of accreditation,

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do you know what I mean? But I want to
preach about we're a team. It's not just me. I'm
on camera, but we are a team.

Speaker 1 (01:14:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
It was in the other night and Day was like, oh,
you're going to ask him to get a photo? You know,
It's like can you get a photo on your phone? Mate?
And he was like, I've got my camera. So we
went outside and we got some fulling portraits that look good,
didn't theyre off his little camera?

Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
But when I think I wait to get him.

Speaker 3 (01:15:15):
Yeah, when I think about.

Speaker 1 (01:15:16):
That moment now, just cringe because I just think he
must have thought he must know who I am.

Speaker 3 (01:15:24):
I didn't have a clue.

Speaker 2 (01:15:24):
He was a very humble guy.

Speaker 1 (01:15:26):
Mate.

Speaker 2 (01:15:26):
I don't think he would have.

Speaker 1 (01:15:28):
It's good. But the other thing that's funny about is
his styles really kind of like candid in it, like
Martin Power, you know, like that kind of the moment
kind of thing. And obviously like they're going, right, how
shall we pause?

Speaker 3 (01:15:41):
Where do you want us?

Speaker 1 (01:15:42):
And we were like sort of standing on beach and stuff,
and it's not his bag, is it? I mean, he
he was it was really cool about it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:48):
But yeah, he was with us, mate, he was having
fun with us. Jazz hands. I was doing jazz hands
was what the doing them was like. Stop telling me
to do ship mate, I'll do it absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:15:58):
I do really love his stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
Should just use one of his candid ones so you
cover would be good.

Speaker 2 (01:16:07):
Yeah, rolling planning. We're trying to be a bit trying
to be a bit secret squirrel and if you know
what I mean, the final mixers are like guarded lock
and key. You know, when you're up in together purity,
there's dogs there, there's so we're we've done four tracks.

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We're going to release three singles over the next probably
twelve to fifteen weeks, complete with videos and everything each
individual campaign. Then so four or five weeks after the
last single goes out, we'll release the EP as a
whole with the fourth single on it. I can't wait, man,
I'm so excited. It's the best, it's our best body

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of work. Yeah, you get stuff mastered. Yeah, we will
be getting mastered.

Speaker 1 (01:16:53):
Yeah. Yeah, we we normally send it off. It's another
expense in it and it's worth it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:57):
You need it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:58):
Yeah. We just's like sometimes people have speaking behind the
curtain a little bit like saying, well, just just put
it through a mastering chain on thinking or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:17:08):
It's just runs it through loads of limitters. Yeah, you've
want to play with We're actually just going to go
with someone who's come on recommendation from from Chapel Studios
this time, because we did have a guy who'd done
mastering for Nor Gallagher and things like that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:22):
You know, we won't mention names, but we not not
that he's not wrong, but I think it might be.

Speaker 2 (01:17:27):
We used Robert Schmidt, right, so it's smart.

Speaker 1 (01:17:30):
So that's the guy who you've used in past.

Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
Yeah, that's what we're used in the past. But the
new guy were using his common recommendation and basically he
who's just engineered music. He showed us some of his
previous works engineered for a band called Wargasm and to
believe that it's the same master and engineer, and the
mixes was incredible, really odd sounding band with a lot
of different sonic elements, but the mixes sound fucking so clear.

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We're just saying, look, you know he's engineered and to
an extent now produced our material for us. If he's
saying he believes this guy is the best one to
sign his tracks off? Who a week to say different?
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:18:10):
That's good that he's that interested and invested in it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:13):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:18:14):
The is the mastering engineers E call Pete.

Speaker 2 (01:18:18):
The mastering engineer. Now I don't know his name, but
we've basically made a query for a website and we're
waiting to wear prices back. That's where we're at with
this masterine engineer. But but he's come on, you know,
we've name drop pet and he's common recommendation and that
so very good, but very excited. It's we've not we've
not put a release out in over a year now either, haven't.

Speaker 1 (01:18:40):
No, it'll be getting on for us as well, to
be fair.

Speaker 2 (01:18:42):
Yeah yeah, so but we're coming back with a fucking
bang name single number one. It's we've never played it live.
It's completely brand new. I like doing that, you know,
completely brand new. It's first time we've done it, really
stating something and it's going to be good now. Putting
a lot of time and effort into the releases and whatnot,
and the song's deserve.

Speaker 1 (01:18:59):
Its very good, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:19:01):
Very excited. It's going to be a very exciting rest
of the earth for us in terms of releases.

Speaker 1 (01:19:05):
And things for tearing it like so we I wish.

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
I could just show everyone just itching too.

Speaker 1 (01:19:11):
It's the worst bit in it. I love recording. I
prefer recording to playing life. I must say, I just
prefer being in the studio.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
I love the process.

Speaker 1 (01:19:19):
Yeah, so said, yeah, so we got strings next Wednesday,
and then we should be more or less done a
couple of touches. Similar process makes mastered, and then I
was his ten tracks. We'll pick one or two singles,
two or maybe one two three boxing videos together. Similar
process to. We're just in that part now where we're

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trying to nail down details about which is going to
be first track, which is going to be you know,
what we're going to do with this, what video is
going to be for that. It's it's I like that.
I don't I don't dislike it. I just wish, like
you say, it would just be great if someone just
do it for you on it, yeah, or even not

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do it, if they just if you just had someone
who sort of stuff they just said, look, just turn
up in this field at this time and we'll do
a video and then go home.

Speaker 2 (01:20:07):
We've got a very very talented videographer and our band.
Oh really, so we've got that to draw up on. Yeah,
but where where we've done sort of conventional music videos
up until this point, Yeah, I mean, like cinematic with
not a lot of narrative or band shots that type,
whereas we're trying to think a bit more abstract and

(01:20:28):
a bit more out there with these. And that's as
far as I'm going to go. But we kind of
want our videos to kind of be like.

Speaker 1 (01:20:34):
I think I just watched yeah to be fair with
stuff like that as well, you get more leeway with
it because they're in there's no defined kind of like
thread or whatever, And I think it makes it a
little bit easier in a way, not in terms of
like the effort you put in, but like more in
like you don't get in the weeds of like oh

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that don't make sense, or like what does that cut
make sense?

Speaker 3 (01:20:59):
Or oh I don't really like that bit?

Speaker 1 (01:21:01):
Or you remove all that, don't you, because then you're
just a lot more free form, are you? And just
we've done it passwords and stuff we just said.

Speaker 3 (01:21:07):
Just stick, just just do it, not because you don't
want to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:11):
But because we've done conventional ones in past as well,
where it's like a couple of a couple of cameras
pick up shots and stuff and you're playing the song. Yeah,
I mean, it's all right, it's fair enough, But then.

Speaker 2 (01:21:22):
It serves a purpose, doesn't it. Yeah, we we just
we want to just stay on an upward trajectory, do
you know what I mean, Like learn from what we've
done in previous releases, and you know, but try and
stay true and starting trying and staying that upward curve,
you know what I mean, Like a good just trying
to get better every time, do you know, every release,

(01:21:44):
everything we do like stronger songs, Yeah, you know, stronger
brand identity, Like we're really trying to This is the
first body of work we've put out, so we're really
trying to release it as a concept rather than just
a piece of music, if that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (01:22:01):
So the the thematically.

Speaker 2 (01:22:04):
The song is unintentional initially, but it's got a really
nice theme, you know. The record.

Speaker 1 (01:22:15):
Cool, it's a bit of.

Speaker 2 (01:22:16):
A it's kind of a homage to this conversation we've
kind of had today, you know what I mean. One
of the songs in particular, it's about how sort of
London's got England captured? Do you know what I mean?
But there's a lot of people making a lot of noise,
but can you even hear us? That's the kind of
theme of that.

Speaker 1 (01:22:35):
That's cool.

Speaker 2 (01:22:37):
We explore some other themes about like sort of disconnect
and just the general where we feel the world's out.

Speaker 1 (01:22:42):
Of the minute.

Speaker 2 (01:22:43):
We really want to try and home that and capture
that with our visuals for for the records and for
the EP as a whole, and we've tried to do that,
but this is we're sat on the best work now,
do you know what I mean? And we want to
We want to put it out there with the best
attempt we can, if you know what I mean, and
even if it flops, at least we can get to

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better than I thinking, well, we fucking worked hard on that.
We're proud of that, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:23:08):
It's weird when it because I won't even I don't
know what you mean because I ID do similar terminology.
But like I think, when you're at the you mentioned
the football in the football pyramid a lot of music.
I feel like I would say that you guys are
above us, but you know when you're down there. Not
down there, but you know what I mean, like we're

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not we're not in Premier League, you know, in terms
of like where we're at in terms of we're doing
it all.

Speaker 3 (01:23:33):
We're doing it all ourselves. But it's what I mean,
we're doing it no no league.

Speaker 1 (01:23:38):
We always use that analogy though in terms of like music,
because you've got Premier League or championship, you've got League one.
I would say we're probably you are to say you're
probably a low championship. We're probably like up League one
kind of thing. And that's just a way for me
to compartmentalize it in my head is because you've got
you know, you sell out decent well, big size venues.
You know, you've got a good following, and we do

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all right around here.

Speaker 3 (01:24:01):
That's what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:24:01):
And I think that when you say flop, going back
to the point is I don't think it can because
I think your fans, your fans will love it and
they'll get into it, and you're only gonna in my opinion,
you're only going to go on. There's only gonna be
more people who listen to you off the back of it.
And it sounds like it's going to be really exciting.

Speaker 2 (01:24:19):
So it's almost like I've kind of you know, I'm selfish.
I've got everything I want from it, you know. Yeah, absolutely, yeah,
I've written that. Yeah, I performed that. I've recorded that. Yeah, absolutely,
I fucking put that out into the universe with a
really nice video, and you know, everything's visually stimulating. And
then so I've got my fullfilment, you know what I mean,

(01:24:41):
And it's kind of like that point where we just
go again, do you know, let's let's do it all
over again.

Speaker 1 (01:24:46):
I'm already I'm already thinking about the album that we're
doing after this one.

Speaker 3 (01:24:49):
We even finished the.

Speaker 2 (01:24:51):
Studio, and so when we're looking at the album, you know, yeah,
it's it's crazy because we're not recorded in a while. Yeah,
three of the songs were recorded are sort of established songs,
and one of them is brand new. But then we're
already sat on a fucking it could be an EP
in itself and another sort of EPs worth of brand

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new material. Yeah that's really really strong, you know that
we really love. So we're so we've not even got
through this first EP and we're already like I think, yeah,
I think on the precipice of that chapter, you know,
in them songs, and yeah, I hope it never stops,
so you know, yeah, But I was.

Speaker 1 (01:25:31):
Just going to say, I think when you're in that
mindset and when you're thinking like that, it's not because
you don't care about what you're doing at the time,
because like someone listening to me and then I think, well,
does that mean that you're really paying all the attention
to what you're doing now, which is finishing off this record.
But it's like I'm a passenger seat now they're gonna
put the strings on next week. I mean, I'm not conducting.
I'm just going to enjoy it. So once that's done, mixed, mastered,

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you know, that's gone, it's out my hands.

Speaker 3 (01:25:59):
Then it's a thing of its.

Speaker 1 (01:26:01):
Own in it. And it's similar to mindset to yours.
What you just said there is because this album that
we're finishing now is quite personal to me in the
sense that it's got a lot of it's about becoming
a dad over the last year and a half and whatever.
It's not I wouldn't say it's schmoltzy. I don't like that.
It's not like overly like on the on the sleeve

(01:26:21):
like you know, m hm, but there's there's lots of
that stuff in there. Is Like you say, I couldn't
care less whether anyone yeah likes I'm sure that they
will because it sounds.

Speaker 2 (01:26:38):
Like it's if it resonates.

Speaker 1 (01:26:40):
Yeah, absolutely, it sounds like us. It sounds slightly different
in sense that we've tried to get a certain vibe
going on it. We try to be a bit more organic,
a bit more. Johnny's played a few more acoustics on it.
You know, we haven't brought the drums down as such,
but we've you know, we've tried to make it not

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as in your face terms are like a mix or
like when you put it on, it's it's quite We
wanted to have a bit of depth and obviously with
the strings, give them a bit of room at the top,
swirl around the piano, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:27:12):
Acoustic.

Speaker 1 (01:27:13):
I mean, I've been on acoustics since we started, and
even that next album, I'm just gonna get an electric
and just just get the most just get the most
horrible tone you've ever heard of it in your life,
and just do because the good thing is for us
is we can achieve a really new sound just by
me playing electric because we've sat on an acoustic for
getting on for ten years. It'll be back time that

(01:27:34):
you know, around to doing another album. And another thing
I one hundred percent want to do for the next
one is just so that it's done, rehearse the songs,
get them nailed down, and just record them live in
whether it's in a studio or we do a gig
where we record it live. I just want to do
something like because the last few projects we've done have
been quite because people work full time. You can't just go,

(01:27:55):
oh yeah, we're off to some and so studios for
two weeks. We're gonna you know, we're gonna do this record.

Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
Its staggered, broken off.

Speaker 3 (01:28:01):
It's just broken up.

Speaker 2 (01:28:02):
And I always you lose something that way, don't. Yeah.
We we just lived lived, you know. We woke up
in the morning and we went in the fucking studio.

Speaker 3 (01:28:13):
I was gonna ask if you stayed over.

Speaker 1 (01:28:14):
Yeah, yeah, how long we were there?

Speaker 2 (01:28:16):
Five days?

Speaker 3 (01:28:16):
Yeah, brilliant.

Speaker 2 (01:28:18):
It's only half an hour away. So people was dipping
in an out. Yeah yeah, but but we was we
were bull bus was together five days.

Speaker 1 (01:28:26):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
We was finishing a session at one a m. Yeah,
up till two am planning the next morning. Next morning
we're up, you know. Yeah, I've put piano down for
the first time on a song in my life, do
you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:28:39):
That was fun.

Speaker 2 (01:28:40):
I really got some time to work on some BB's
with some backing vocals, you know, for the EP and
that as well, which was really nice. It's just great,
just our greatest creative expression. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:28:52):
I can tell that.

Speaker 1 (01:28:53):
Yeah, I can tell that you're excited about it, which
is always a good sign.

Speaker 2 (01:28:56):
It wasn't about it. I was so excited about and
I said, even if even if no one else says it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:00):
It's just like yeah, yeah, selfish, Well, anyone watching, anyone
watching or listening to this podcast, I am also excited
about what God but it maybe it maybe doesn't look
like it and be it maybe don't sound like it,
but I am genuinely like it's it's going to come out.
It's going to come out good. I'm excited about it
in the sense that it's familiar enough where people get it,

(01:29:23):
but you know, there are some turns on there and
sounds and stuff where it's a bit a bit different.
I mean, just to touch on what we've also talked
about is could our demeanors be because I'm drinking and
it's making me feel a bit drained. Maybe, so that's
maybe the advertisement for maybe trying album without that sober sessions. Yeah,

(01:29:47):
but now I'm making it sound like I'm just on
the sauce twenty four seven.

Speaker 3 (01:29:51):
That's not the case. But but no, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:29:55):
It's it's interesting. Now we've obviously both sat down. It
sounds like both the bands are in a similar place
in terms of what you want, what we want out
of the band, and now we perceive ourselves and also
like to say, we're just at this point where we're
both finishing what is the work off record?

Speaker 2 (01:30:12):
EP always most exciting time though in it for a
band like Yeah, I love performing live, I love that,
but I love the studio process. I love that creative process.
And it's I really really love putting something out into
the universe because you can play a song and rehearse
and perform it and that, but until you've put it
down in its best iteration. Yeah, and you've and you've

(01:30:33):
put it out there, do you know, like I fucking
love that idea? Yeah, I mean that that could be
there long afterward, dead and better.

Speaker 3 (01:30:40):
Absolutely, I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:30:41):
But we still put it out there. That's like a
piece of buss that exists forever.

Speaker 1 (01:30:44):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:30:46):
I really love that anyway, I really love that idea.

Speaker 1 (01:30:48):
Do you know what?

Speaker 2 (01:30:49):
Yeah, it's magical. Well it is, isn't it.

Speaker 1 (01:30:51):
And I think as much as we moaned about modern
music in the industry and everything, the really good thing
about bands of our sizes you've got a lot more
freedom and a lot more ability to get things out
than you did in the past. It's double sided because
sometimes people come up to me and say, I love

(01:31:13):
your band, brilliant, absolutely brilliant. I listened to you on
Spotify all the time. I think it's amazing. It'd be
great if you bought a little record. And you don't
want to say that to him, But like, we're not
going to get out of streaming, because that's just absolute,
just in terms of about But like that can be
a bit of a weird conversations because you think you
love the fact that they love it. Yeah, But I

(01:31:36):
always equated to if we were bakers and we just
walked around just going, oh, do you want some do
you want some bread? Made this beautiful bread, and the
people just eating it and going lovely, this isn't it?

Speaker 3 (01:31:47):
Do you want this quarter of a penny?

Speaker 1 (01:31:50):
Like, oh yeah, just like stood in front of you,
just eating.

Speaker 2 (01:31:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:31:54):
But it's true, it's true.

Speaker 2 (01:31:56):
It's like you can analogy.

Speaker 1 (01:31:57):
You just give the world this stuff because you love it,
and then people just fill the boots with it.

Speaker 3 (01:32:02):
And that's absolutely fair enough.

Speaker 2 (01:32:04):
Fucking napster, fucking nap.

Speaker 1 (01:32:06):
But what's the other point I'm going to make is well,
and I'm sure you guys are the same as well. Looky,
we've got a little and it is a little group
of people that buy everything we do. And but that
group mean that we know we can put some out
and it and it's going to keep the wheel turning.

Speaker 2 (01:32:23):
And it just keep getting biger mate, And that's it.
And you keep consistency, mate, You got to keep grinding.

Speaker 3 (01:32:29):
Absolutely, we're going to have to.

Speaker 2 (01:32:32):
We're going to cut off their mates some prep today
for tonight, an't we? But any any final points?

Speaker 1 (01:32:37):
Well, I was just going to say, because we have
been rabbiting on, aren't we? I was trying to work
out then I'm wondering how long have we been talking here?

Speaker 2 (01:32:45):
I ain't got a cloth donety minutes? That's not a
boy going, is it about it?

Speaker 1 (01:32:51):
What's the longest one you've done so far? Was it?

Speaker 2 (01:32:55):
But I reckon we could beat that, mate, I reckon
we're going to have forget well what I was going
to have to come back Johnny and the other lads. Yeah, yeah,
we'll do it and we'll have them. I mean, it's
it's been lovely talking today, mate, But it'd be nice
to have a bit of you know, get into the
weeds about Sandra's wedding. Obviously got nearly a decade of
decade of experience to draw upon, and yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:33:13):
Yeah, that'd be fun. Yeah. Again, it's a bit weird
because like obviously, like you say, I think it'd have
been a bit indulgent for me to get really into
bang because I'm kinda I'm only one bit of.

Speaker 2 (01:33:29):
It the podcast, mate.

Speaker 3 (01:33:32):
Yeah. Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:33:33):
I come with notes and when I if I come
away without using any of them, I think they're the
most organic ones.

Speaker 1 (01:33:39):
I've really enjoyed that. It's a bit of a skill
in itself in it to be able to do things
like this and to talk and be candy because I mean,
people pick up on it, but you do start sort
of second guessing yourself in terms of you saying stuff
and you're thinking, oh god, am I going to create
a storm here by saying something not that so controversial.

(01:34:00):
But like even just in terms of like saying stuff
is just like a bit late. I have thought about that.
It was a bit like therapy really because I've said
some stuff and I thought I really thought about that before.

Speaker 2 (01:34:10):
It's good, hash An, it's going.

Speaker 3 (01:34:12):
I've enjoyed. It's been really good. I've really genuinely.

Speaker 2 (01:34:14):
Enjoyed noticing is across you know, various people I'm interviewing,
and that is there's a creative A lot of people
have the same problems, mate, a lot of people have
the same hurdles, a lot of people have the same
you know, me and Dan was talking about creativity blocks
and it's crazy the same things you do to get
over so much crossover. I'm really enjoying that absolutely, podcasting

(01:34:35):
you're doing a good thing. Yeah, it's fun, mate, it's fun.
And then if it stops being fun, now I'll suck
it off. But alas it remains fun, let's crack on.

Speaker 1 (01:34:44):
Honestly, Yeah, genuinely, you should be really proud about what
you're doing because thank you. Yeah, grooms to be lucky
to have you and the guys that do the you
know the club and you know the community element of it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:55):
Our creative start creat startle.

Speaker 1 (01:34:57):
That's the one.

Speaker 2 (01:34:58):
Yeah, but but yeah, thanks game mate, lovely having you
on and any closing.

Speaker 1 (01:35:03):
Words, Jimmy, could you pull up the could you put up?

Speaker 3 (01:35:09):
Could you pull up the year that sunny Light was
launched in the UK? I'm gonna joke and.

Speaker 2 (01:35:14):
If you like what you heard, I can subscribe. Thanks everyone,

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