Andor: A Star Wars Story (Disney +) - Season Two Review & Comparison - Source Pages: A Reading Collective

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Right now on Source Pages, we are going back to
the galaxy Far far Away, as we discussed the recently
wrapped and excellent season two of and Or and compare
it to the comic we read, which isn't really relevant,
but it was still a fun read. But we'll get
to that anyway. But first, after these.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Messages, we'll be read.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
It's time for the podcast. Welcome back, my fellow rebels.
I'm Haley Hobbs and I'm Brian V.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
Kline.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
And this is the Source Pages where we read novels
and comics as primers for geeky TV shows and movies,
and then we discuss them after they end, which is
what we're doing today, right.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
And I also just want to make a note that
we were supposed to have our Daredevil First or was
it Born Again First Born a reviewing comparison, but schedules
in life got in the way and by the time
we were able to record it, we weren't able to
record it, and then it was like today, so we go, well, well,

(01:17):
Stu and Or we want to talk about that as well,
and so we'll be doing Daredevil next week, just in
time for season two to arrive, right.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
I mean, I think they're filming it.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
It's been a topical, it's been a while. But it's
like there's so much, so much stuff, so much stuff
coming up. What else is I'm trying to think of anything.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
They dropped the Iron Heart trailer.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
I saw that. Ye yeah, we've got.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
The dropped the Superman trailer and I haven't had time
to watch it.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
I did it, watched it. I can't with a lot
of that stuff too. Sometimes, like when we went and
saw Thunderbolts. They dropped that Fantastic four trailer which has
it had the different version of Silver Surfer, the one
that's in the movie. It's not nouron Rad, And I'm like,
did I not see this tall? Yeah? So I'm like

(02:09):
sometimes it's just like I get to the point where
especially because now again even though I am a funko fanatic,
screw you, funko big spoil. Did you see what the
spoiler was? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (02:22):
But it had already been spoiled, I thought.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
Right, But I don't think they officially, I mean they
didn't name that character. I mean they didn't say anything.
But it was just like, at least wait because back
in the day they used to wait until, Like I
remember the day after or the weekend. The Monday after
the weekend that Infinity were opened, they released a Bruce

(02:45):
banner in Hope Buster popularly coming out of it. If
you would have done that before the movie, it's like,
come on, man, just give us another.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
Little bit keeping their secrets anymore. There's a part of
me that doesn't want to watch the Superman trailer because
I'm like, I mean, I've obviously had time to watch it.
I just haven't because it's just kind of like, I
feel like I've seen everything I need to see from
the teasers, Like why are we releasing a three minute
long full trip? I don't know it, just keep a
little something back people.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
Yeah, it's like even why were They're like, oh, they
showed the here's the first look at what Galactus is?

Speaker 3 (03:20):
Good?

Speaker 1 (03:20):
I don't care.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
Also, if you don't know what Galactus looks like, like,
I'm sorry, people are like I got spoiled for what
Galactus looks like. It's like, you don't know what he
looks like.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
If your only point of reference is Rise of a
Silver Surfer movie from twenty years ago, then shame on you.
A cloud. I'm I'm just kidding. You don't gate keep here.
But seriously, there's been so many. I mean, that's the
only reference point that is that, you know, iteration of galactus. Yeah,
but even that, they're showing a lot of like they've

(03:51):
already released figures and other stuff for that iteration because
that's what galactus looks like. Yeah, you know.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
If they work at your gi get how tall is
the one that you have?

Speaker 1 (04:02):
The Oh that galactus like and three and a half
feet tall? And that wasn't even because remember the one
we brought the I brought the Nashville that one was
only about two feet tall. That was the mini smaller
that was the Yeah, that was the small galactus. The
one that came in from the has lab was like
it was forty one inches tall or something like that.

Speaker 3 (04:22):
Oh it's I remember, Yeah, it's ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
So but madness, man, that's what I've had to cut
back on some of the bigger purchases, especially since I
don't collect the Marvel Legends anymore, because it's just got
to be too much. And I had a paired down
on my collection for a bunch of reasons, especially now
tariff costs or what they're claiming is tariff costs. I
don't know if these tariffs are ever even going to

(04:46):
go through. So, but what they're doing is they were
pre initiating these rise of costs. Were like, you just
did a rise of cost, don't do If this doesn't
then then they'll almost make it like oh, if it
tariffs don't come, then they'll raise it. They'll drop it
back to the regular price.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
Yeah, right, like anybody ever drop their prices?

Speaker 1 (05:07):
No, Well, some of the things too, is like people
I've already seen a bunch of people, Like, I'm out,
And what I'm doing now is like I'm not pre
ordering anything. I'm waiting because there's some stuff I could
have bought. I bought three months ago for a regular
price at like thirteen bucks for some funkos right now
does the sale on Amazon for all eight of them
four bucks each. So I'm like, you know, what all
I do right now is buy them and put them

(05:29):
in my parents' house in the suburbs, where I'm storing
stuff because I the transition between here and the house
we're building, I don't have time to display everything. So
what's the point of me getting stuff early if I'm
just putting it in storage? Anyway?

Speaker 3 (05:40):
So I don't know what is the point.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
I don't know. So that's why I've been doing that
and just being like, Okay, I am just waiting for
the prices to go down, because even if they have
a higher start off retail price, they're always going to
go down in sale times. So yep, no reason to
uh I know.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
That's how I got my uh my catan. I got
her for like two bucks.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
They've got one of the Amazon Wren or Amazon Amazon
Sabin Wren from Ahsoka. This exclusive is like three dollars
right now.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
I think this is the last season of the Clone Wars.
But yeah, she's Dusty my dad.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
Some of the things with funk. But when I can't
look at some of the like the helmeted or helmeted
figures are the worst. The non human figures are a
lot easier to tell the difference between the live action
and the the animated stuff, because there's sometimes where I
looked at like that one or some of my other ones.
I'm like, I don't know if this goes with the

(06:39):
Mandalorian pops or the Clone Wars pops.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
Yeah, twenty twenty one, so I think this was the
last season Clone Wars.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
Yeah, I mean she's got the clean night owls helmet.
So yeah, anyways, okay, well, so anywho's speaking of Star Wars. Yeah,
what a segue. We just got finished watching it. I
officially have watch individually the full season at least twice.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
Well, because Liz and I would wanted to try to
watch them together, so the first Tuesday we couldn't do it.
So I watched them, and then over the course of Tuesday, Wednesday,
Thursday night, I watched them again.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
I guess technically I've done that too for the same reason.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
And then I'd like, I could not wait for this
past the last week last Tuesday because it was just
like the way it didn't end on a cliffhanger, but
we knew what was coming, you know. The cliffhanger was
just basically the way that episode nine and was with
K two being like, I don't point the gun on me,
you know.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
Yeah, but I mean it's not it's hard to have
a cliffhanger in the show in general. But it kept
you wanting more, even though even though we know the
end result, you know, even even though we know exactly
how all these characters in except we don't know how
all of the characters opened, which I love. That's one

(08:00):
thing I loved the most was it's like, oh, my
favorite character made it out, and now there's like room
for more storytelling with that person because we don't know
what happens.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
I can tell you this though. Last week I got
done because the time constraints. I finished watching episode twelve
on Wednesday, and literally right when the credits ended, I
watched through it and it says we suggest you rogue one.
I said, hell yeah, and I watched it right away.
I watched the two hours and I've seen the movie

(08:31):
thirty times. I still think if we discussed as the
Star Wars movie I saw in the theaters the most
was that fifteen, sixteen, seventeen times. But it gives you
such a huge different viewpoint in a sense. I have
a friend that just is up in arms about the

(08:52):
Benjamin Bratt casting, and it's like, oh my god, it's
not what it is. It's no one's fault other than scheduling,
and yeah, that was it.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
Well, and to not have Bail would have been worse
than yes, to have a recast, in my opinion, because
it's an essential figure of the rebellion.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
My friend, part of my French, but my friend's calling
Benjamin Bratt the asshole Bail because he was such a
jerk to them. But he was playing the role not
as much as those other two senators who are in
the rebellion, who are just like whatever, we don't believe you.
And he was sort of just like he came by.
He came that line. I mean, obviously we're doing our

(09:30):
discussion now, but that line that Cassie and said to
him near the end where he goes, I think you
and Luthian would have gotten along well or been good
friends and stuff like that. It was just like it's true,
And the fact is that they spent probably a whole
bunch of time within a ten minute, you know how
her car ride from each other on Cororussant.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
Yeah, and they never saw each other because he was
Mon's person. Well, and you've finished The Mask of Fear now, right,
so I won't spoil that book. But I think that
really the way Benjamin Bratt played the character was very
in keeping with how Bail is portrayed in that book.
And the book shows too how separate everybody's agendas are, like, yes,

(10:16):
they're all working toward this common thing, but everybody's working
within their own silos, and so it's just kind of
like it does make sense that like Lutheran and Clao
Weremn's contacts and Bail was like, I don't need to
ever meet them, and he might have died if he did.
You know. There's just like all this stuff that it's
okay that they didn't meet even though they were on
the same planet.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
And that shows in a way that a lot of
the interactions were in this season. But the rebellion is
that cells and groups don't know each other. We learned
a lot about the way that that works in rebels
in itself that the animated show is that a lot
of these factions are not as connected to the main group.

(10:58):
Like if you don't have like a squadron designation like
Phoenix squadron or blue or whatever, sometimes you might just
be sort of like, okay, we're putting you're almost on
like a I would like to think like a trial basis,
like but even to that point any way, good exactly,
Although Cassian was one right in his in his analysis

(11:25):
of it going to they're the opposite of all. Donnie
was al Donnie was hit and run. This is hit
and stay like, no, you can't do that.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
But before we get one of them so badly.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
Oh, I know they wanted to do something, but it
was just like he was. He was the right point
where he was just like, yeah, this, you know, it's
not gonna work. I don't want anything to do. And
then they went behind his back and it screwed everything up.
And since it got killed anyway, So before we go
any further, I'm just gonna say that this. I didn't
think that season two could be better than season one,

(12:00):
and it was.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
It's, you know, infinitely better. Not the season one is bad,
but it is very much just character work for Cassian,
and that's fine. I mean the show is named after him,
so fair enough. But like just to see all of
the different threads come together the way they did, oh
so good.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
If I know that you're like me in like track,
like the Awards and stuff like that. But for Emmys,
if Freya Man Mathma, Luthan Cassian, they don't get some
kind of nods. Tony Gilroy's got to get or even
I think it's just his brother. I think it's his brother. Yeah,
he wrote and directed a lot of this stuff, but

(12:37):
this thing should runner. This thing should, and especially from
the fact is it's historical. I saw something like no
show in the history of television on IMDb has five
consecutive episodes that have at least two thousand ratings that
have an average of nine point five, eight, nine, ten, eleven,

(12:58):
twelve are all like nine evan now, and it's just like,
like what then, I'm thinking, like, what's wrong? What was
wrong with episode seven?

Speaker 3 (13:05):
The first one?

Speaker 1 (13:06):
And I'm like, Okay, I guess he was sort of
like a building thing. But it was even the first one,
a lot of people were I saw were sort of
hemming and hanging about, like oh the wedding and like,
but the thing is, though, you.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
Have the worst thing in the first arc was Cassie
and stuff.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
Yeah, and even some of the I guess this the
show could have been getting.

Speaker 3 (13:28):
Back to Mina Raw It's fine, but like him with
those idiots in the jungle, I was yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
But if you remember, though, when they were talking about
in season one, when Luthen and Saw were, you know,
discussing if they should give up the Kreeger group because
of them knowing they brought up the men a Route
whatever that group was called, And I think Saw even
call them a bunch of idiots they were, and they

(13:53):
were it was completely I found.

Speaker 3 (13:56):
Like, but we could use this planet though, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
I found it hysterical a way that I mean it
was there was a lot of levity which needed to
be done. You can't have the one thing I'll never
do again. And I love the show The Wire, but
it is so down. Everything's down, down, down, down down.
It's like it doesn't give you a chance to like breathe.

(14:21):
Case in point was like that why I'm saying about
a show like this that whole botched operation when they
finally got Frea and they're coming back hot because communicators
got nacked out and and K two's or was it
what am I saying?

Speaker 3 (14:35):
Clay okay for its Frea from I don't know, from
something okay Claia and K two.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
K two just looks and goes. I planned on telling
them you kidnapped me. I mean he had some of
the lot when especially with the way that episode nine
or ten opened pretty much with them playing Melchie and
Cassian playing cards and him being too like being analytical
and then being drunk on rebnag and just it just

(15:06):
it it needs that because if it doesn't have it
then it makes you It doesn't make you feel good
about yourself if everything is drunk. Yes, we know where
this is going, we don't know where everything is gonna happen.
We didn't know that Clay had was going to end
up having to kill Luthan. We didn't know that. You know,
I still don't understand. I think I sort of get it.
That last scene with Mon's husband and his the her like.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
Mother in law, her daughter's mother in law.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
Yeah, so it's just like, oh, is the guy out
of the picture because out of.

Speaker 3 (15:39):
The Mon went down in flames. Maybe so they I
don't know, but I and I think too, you have
to have the little moments of funny just because it
is still Star Wars at the end of the day.
Like I know, they were trying to make a whole big,
serious thing and they did. I mean the Gorman masker
stuff like really really really got to me both times

(16:01):
that I watched it, And yeah, still you have like
like you have Claia going to euthanize Lutheran and she
steals his alien grandma and yeah, it's like it's funny.
Where are we going? Cla was just like, oh, we'll
be fine, this is funny and it shouldn't pay, but.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
It is.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
Every part.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
Every part had little things like that where some of
the things that were just again, it shows how far
the rebellion has come out. Don't forget this pretty much
takes place concurrently and a little bit after. You don't
see as much as like what Rebels was. We get

(16:43):
to see in Rebels what an actual really functioning group
or I don't really want to call them cells becauseied front.
But even the fact with when we were talking about
the Gorman people, the one guy who is part of
their Gorment front, who wasn't involved in the heist is

(17:04):
the one that screws everything up and ends up getting
sent to killed and not directly because the one idiot
brought the gun when he was he was old a
specifically don't bring any weapons, don't bring any weapons, not no.
But he is like why wasn't he involved in it?
You know, sort of just like they don't have and
then again like what Cassian said, they get all this stuff,

(17:27):
what are they gonna do with it? It's not going,
it's staying in place the whole time though the empire
is going. You guys can have it because we're setting
you up anyway. Yeah, so yes, the one thing that
sort of even though it wasn't funny, but the thing
that took the tension away from that whole thing is

(17:47):
when Cassian has Mara lined up and Cyril comes out
in nowhere and tackles them, and then they had this
fight and then I mean it was just like yeah,
But the thing is, though, that took away from what
was going on with the you know, especially in that

(18:10):
whole episode to start from when Cyril damn near chokes
out Dedra and then when he tells, like, have a
nice life. I'm leaving because my point here was to
find basically, he's like, I've been here this whole time
to find out outside instigation for this garment front, there
really isn't any. And then they're gonna make it look

(18:32):
like it is by the Empire, you know, taking the
first shot killing one of their own guys, making it
look like they started. But then that point too, where
he's beaten the crap. They're beating the crap out of
each other pretty much. Yes, and Cassie and just looks
at Cyril and goes the title of the episode, who
are you like? You know who I am, but I don't.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
What do you do?

Speaker 1 (18:52):
And by that time, yeah, and then at that time,
the guy that was the only smart person in the
Garman front, like they're old, he just puts a bolton
Cerel's head and knocks it. He's dead.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
So I love Cyril's character, not that I think he's
uh not because he's a good person or anything like that,
but I think, you know, when you look at the
cost of war, the people who have to end up
being a patsy, and there's a lot of them.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
That's all that Cereal is.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
That's all he's been his whole life. He's this fool
that gets used over and over again by different systems,
simply because he allows himself to be used, because all
he wants is to attain some level of what he
thinks is greatness. But he's just constantly being used, and
he finally snaps when he realizes she's been using him too,

(19:46):
and it's just it's so good, like it's just such
a good he. I don't know if he has an
arc necessarily, but like his journey as a character, I
don't feel sorry for him. I don't find him to
be tragic or anything like that. I just find him
going to be a delicious character to watch on screen,
because you know, nothing good is waiting for Cyril at

(20:08):
the end of his life. No, but the journey to
get there was so good to watch.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
And I had to pause the show and because I
was confused with my emotions when Mira and Pardiga as
the head of the ISB were having that discussion because
they had already shown so much like the home life
on Corusant with Deddra, Mira and Cyril, and then you
find out that that's just a game they're playing with him,

(20:35):
and I felt bad for Cyril, like, oh man, that.
But then I'm like, why wait, why.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
Don't I feel to work with her? And he's like
this is the greatest day of my life. And she's like, oh,
this idiot like you just like you do that. You
were like, oh, I kind of feel bad for him,
and then you're like, actually, no, I don't, because he's
the worst.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
I mean, you said it right, Patsy. But then even
at that scene where he chokes her out, and then
she's trying to explain herself, she makes is making it
seem like she wants to go back to chorus out
with him as heroes and have this home life that
she never thought she would have. Yeah, they're both sick

(21:13):
in the head, but it was just like, but you
did you fall for your mark or whatever? Because it
was just like I think she thought.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
I mean, she has that confrontation with his mom Edie
and that hilarious dinner scene, him laying on the bed
in a great moment. I think that you know, their
mutual coming to terms is like, oh, well we can
we can both control Cyril, Like that's what Degra wants.
She wants control, and she thought she could control him,
and she mis understood how how he thought like this

(21:48):
trajectory was going to take him, how important that was
to him. She she didn't understand that.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
No, And I think if this the situation on Gorman
resolved itself, say, six months earlier, her mindset might not
have been the same because it seemed like she truly
cared about him, because even like he needs to come
back inside, we don't want him out there when all
this stuff is about to go down, and he's just like,
I'm getting far away from herror as possible because he's

(22:15):
not only I think not only he's pissed off, but
he's embarrassed, he got played.

Speaker 3 (22:21):
And disillusioned.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
Yeah, but even at that time, dedro was sort of
just like, you know, not focusing on what needs to
be done with the you know, whatever you want to
call it. They said, like run to the mission or
the initiative or whatever, but focusing on getting Cyril back
like that shouldn't be priority unless you actually truly have
feelings for him. At the meantime, I'm thinking like hopefully,

(22:45):
I mean, I want to see these guys end up
where they where they ended up, Cyril dead and Dedra
rotten in prison, fine by me, Yeah I did, But
I wanted to see their story play out. Yeah, because
they're such a greatly great written pair of characters, sort

(23:05):
of like Party, Gas, Krenic, all these guys, their characters,
there's such despicable people, but you like, well.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
You like watching, Yeah, we know what's going to happen
to them, Like they're going to get their come up
ins right, and so this in between like part of
gas is ending surprised me. I was not expecting. No,
you know, how you put the pistol on the table,
I was like, huh would he and then you hear
the blaster ball and I was like, oh, wow, they
actually are right, And I feel very conflicted about what

(23:40):
he did. Is he just that much of a coward
or did he actually start to have some some feelings
of oh this was messed up?

Speaker 1 (23:50):
Okay, I think after the second I saw it a
little bit in the first viewing, but the second viewing,
after the way that Krenic reacted and what he did
with Mira Dedra, after the whole botxed luthen Rail, the
confrontation where they arrest or went to a restam. He
tried to kill himself and he was pissed and he

(24:12):
was basically said like, if if this doesn't go, Krenik
tells me Dedra pretty much, you'll be on the continuing
line of the Imperial execution line or something.

Speaker 3 (24:24):
Oh what, it's a good line. I can't remember what
he says, something like.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
That, but.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
Yeah. But the only person that is watching that is
part of GAS. So when party Gas is mission screws
up to get Clea. When they all go away and
they can't find him, the last shot you see of
him is he has this look on his face like
I'm done.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
So then when the other ISP guy, the bald dude,
comes and goes and says, you wanted upstairs. He pretty
much knows that goes.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
I'm I mean, and that's I think that's the face
value for sure. I think that's the true like, but
I also like he's listening to Nimic's manifesto and it's
just interesting, like they they like you were saying, I'm
conflicted how I feel about these characters, and it's like
they did that on purpose, and they did such a
good job of showing on both sides. You know, people

(25:19):
doing despicable things, but you know, the ISB and the Empire,
it's black and white. So this is going to happen
or this is going to happen to you if you
look at like Dedra and Cyril and kind of mirror
Luthen and Clia where they have more of a respectful
relationship and Cleia they're more like equals. It's not like
how Dedra's using Cyril Luthin and you know what I mean,

(25:42):
So like they kind of mirror each other in a
little bit of ways where they're both doing really terrible
things for what they think is right. Uh. Oh, it's good.
It's written so well. I love it.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
I think, Okay, I think part of Gadz was one
of those guys that if it was comes down at
the end and there has to be like a like
if you like at the end of World War Two
with the Germans, he was one of those guys that
would pretty much be like, I'm I was following orders. Yeah,
I don't think a lot of his stuff that he did.
Even though he was the one that said, you know,

(26:17):
he gave to go ahead to start to Gorman and
the Gorman massacre, it wasn't his idea. He was just
the guy that was just like he was too scared
to say no. But I mean he also did he.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
Else didn't want it. He's like, you better take it
to dra like, oh my god, like selling it to
her like this is something that's gonna make you rise
in the ranks because she's a climber, so she's trying
to do anything she can. So she's like, Okay, well
I guess I will take it on. But he didn't.
He didn't really seem to want any part of that. No.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
And the thing was too, is that he he had
a lot of I'm trying to think of the word here.
He got to where he was I'm sure that he
came up to the ISB before it was the New
Republic Intelligence and then it's sort of morphed over and

(27:10):
he got to be in a controlling situation where he's
the head of it. But he especially Okay, So when
I go to look at who the guy the guy's
name who was, I want to call him the person
who ended up being K two's human shield in the
hall when Kerts was getting lamb basted by Krenick about

(27:36):
what they have to do to get that, you know,
the APB out against Claya and party guys. Is just
like she escaped from the hospital with a you know,
a disease.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
He lays out this lie.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
Yeah, and it's the it's the one that would probably
have the less the least amount of what do they
call it? My god, my brain is not working. These
guys are collateral damage.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
Yeah, she's infected.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
So and she's infected, she's not dangerous. Just don't approach
her with her Yeah. Yeah, because Deetzer what was his
name again? Heret h e rt here, who, by the way,
was one guy when he ends up becoming I was
just like that guy was I never liked his character amazing,
especially when he when the whole like got too excited
about the promotion, and part of guys is like, uh.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
Haha.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
He was just like, what should we do? Is she
she's like an escaped to murderer this and that, and
they're like, no, just calm down, make it as easy
as possible. Credit was just like, do whatever. But he already,
you know, ten minutes late of doing this in the
first place.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
Yeah, so the ISB stuff was so good. Ri I
p to Lonnie. I guess we all saw that coming, though.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
Did you catch up on catch the I don't know
if this was fully discussed, but when before Lutheran, you know,
when they had their last meeting and he was talking
about his wife and kid and supposedly the way that
that worked out was that his wife and kid went
to or like a safe house on Aldron.

Speaker 3 (29:14):
Oh yeah, so they were gonna probably die one way
or the.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
Other, right, But it's just I guess that's why I
was saying, like I told I don't know if I
mentioned it here, but was like, my prediction was that
Cyril was going to end up, you know, somehow getting
under the watch of Krenick, and he'd be impressed with
something and then would station him on the Death Star

(29:38):
only to get blued up when it got blowed.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
Up, which is ending is much more fitting for him.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
Yeah. Yeah, and just a quick just you know, like
I said, blaster bolt right to the head, just smirked. Yeah,
so what you're saying about Lannie.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
Oh, just that we knew he was gonna die right, Yeah, he.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
Sort of got. I love the way that the writing
worked with a lot of the stuff. I think a
few things in the last episode were definitely put in
there to have the continuity with Rogue one, especially that
scene with uh, Saw going you have no idea, you
don't know where I'm at. I'm hiding from you guys.

(30:21):
You can't tell who i'med. What are you talking about?
I'm not Don Jetta. So that seemed kind of not
like like fished in there or like it was sort
of like but it it's it was.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
Kind of like, uh oh, and here's where Saw is.
By the way, And this is the.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
Reason why the things that we did at the beginning
of Rugue one had to be done is because we
don't have that contact. What we've seen, I mean pretty
much last thing we saw saw with him getting high
on the those the fuel films. Yeah, so and just
being like, you know, but I love the line where
they said was is that he's insane. He's like, no,
he's not insane, you know, it's that this is just

(31:03):
him now, and so oh yeah, I think that he had.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
You know, like I'm crazy. I am. I'm like, we know,
but we've also had like a lot of Saw throughout
the animated stuff, and so I don't I mean, I
didn't think it was a loss to not have a
ton of him and.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
No, definitely not. And we had about this. We had
the perfect amount of him in it and crenic. Yeah,
because you didn't want to focus it too much. I
can say that the and Or bring into the name
of the show if it would have been called something
along the lines of rebellion or this and that, because
there were times where and Or wasn't the focus. But

(31:41):
I didn't care. That whole episode ten was all about
Luthen and Cliah's, you know, their backstory and the reck.
I love the fact that, like right after that came out,
Tony Gilroy was in Q and A and he's like,
I know that this was a threat from the first season,
but Clia is not Cassian's sister related, and.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
I never thought like I had a fleeting moment, but
then I was like, we don't need that, and it's okay, right,
and we don't need What's the other stupid theory that's
going around the Poe is mean Bix's son. I'm like,
that's terrible and not Cannon because we already know that.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
Yeah, we already know that he was born he was
conceived on end or.

Speaker 3 (32:22):
Yeah, so's I can't remember.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
It doesn't have to be that tight people, No, But
I think the thing that've sort of maybe got people
thinking it was that last episode where Cassian has the
bad dream when when the person that the guy you
don't like is here, and then it was K two
and he had a dream about his sister. So maybe
there sometimes is the foreshadowing or likes just thinking the

(32:47):
best look there was there was a lot of acting
and looks and stuff like this, but the best one
by far Cassian going away on his last mission leave
and he sees the Force Healer and he gives her
an no and she sort of has a like a
non plus look, but then sort of has sort of
like this sourish look, and I'm thinking she knows exactly

(33:09):
what's gonna happen to him, like she knows he's fulfilling
his purpose. But it's just sort of like, I'm never
seeing you again probably, you know. But he does end
up coming back, but he's in the course of because
from from that time the I think that Rogue one
takes five days and this is literally him going to
see Tibbek, which is the first part of Rogue one.

(33:31):
In a week, Cassian's dead. So it's really depressing, Yeah,
but to think about it, but to think that we get,
you know, on screen now the equivalent of like nine
movies with Cassian in it. And he's such a well
written character.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
And Diego Luna just acted the shit out of it.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
Yeah, and he totally I think he totally loved playing
the role too. You saw his interviews at celebration in Japan,
which was going on right when the show. It's so,
you know, it's weird to think that we were just
talking about the stuff what was happening at Celegate Races
in Japan. It was a month ago. She hadn't even

(34:10):
started three weeks. I mean it was four week it
was three I Mean, what I'm just saying is that
we watched it, and we're talking about the equivalent of
four movies. So yeah, I you know, I already apologize
for the fact that there's going to be a lot
of key parts that were happened in the show, maybe
some most of this stuff from I can't even really

(34:31):
remember what the second Group or the second movie, episodes
four through six, what they really focused on.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
It's when he's going to Gorman and evaluating them, and
we get Will a little bit more of Will, and
I think more is like seeing all the new senators
and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
Okay, that's true. There's a lot of that stuff that
and that's building up to. And by the way, the
fact is that a lot of the times in Star
Wars chronology, there really is no zero Bby. So when
it said one Bby, it's pretty much like when year
one started on the calendar, it was year one the
whole time. So this was basically one year. So it

(35:19):
wasn't like everything was going to be a year before
it just it. I saw a couple of people being like,
wait a second, this is one Bby and Rogue one
takes place right before It's like, Rogue one is still
one Bby. Star Wars is still one Bby. It doesn't
change until after it happens, so there's no zero type
year I guess if you want to say like that.

(35:42):
So it's just a transition. It goes from one bby
to like one a b y. So yep, I'm trying
to I just had something in my head too where
I was thinking, like, oh my god, this is just
another example of just a fantastic writing. I did get this,
and I think Liz Scott's kind of gave me a

(36:03):
look like now I can only see that the guy
that was the hotel clerk on Gorman that helped him
looked like mister Bean, a younger mister Bean exactly, Like yeah,
and I'm like, who does that look like like mister Bean?
And then, because we learned already from different shows, don't IMDb,

(36:28):
don't wikipedia a character who you want to see, Because
we get Rune who muse was in Daredevil like the
first episode and you don't find out anything until like
episode seven, we knew who that character was, Like, oh,
I guess that's who it is. So now it's sort
of just like, no, we're not looking because there was
another person that showed up and this is like, what

(36:49):
do we know him for? And then I said and said, oh,
oh my god, how did I not recognize that.

Speaker 3 (36:55):
Universe?

Speaker 1 (36:56):
Yeah, so it's like, don't look up stuff on that
because they put all the thing and that's the thing
is too. On some of these the IMDb is updated
like within if you get done with this stuff, you'll
look up like credits, and it's especially like Wikipedia and
Marvel's Wikipedia page for all their stuff. It is like, seriously,
people get done and all they do is right away

(37:17):
is updated. They like they're the guy that get updated,
like some people have no lives. So no, sometimes it's
helpful because when you go, what's the name of that character?
You know like, oh, that's right, but you look online
and it's already up there.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
So who were you surprised made it out of the show?

Speaker 2 (37:36):
Mm?

Speaker 3 (37:40):
Were you surprised?

Speaker 1 (37:42):
I love the fact that at the last scene was
him playing like tag with another robot. Yeah, oh my god,
because he's like go again or whatever. It's a fact,
and you know, it's like the first thing I saw it,
and when Liz saw it too, was like, oh, Biggs
went back to that planet. And then they showed it's
a slow turn and you could see like a foot

(38:03):
She's like, oh my god, you had to Cane.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
She left that video message and I was like, that
girl is knocked up. Knocked up.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
I think it was a career.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
It was a.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
Her leaving the point where you thought it was. For
the most part was the fact is that she didn't
want to be the reason why Cassie and left, and
she knows that he has a bigger part to play.
The Forced Lady told her. The Forced Lady made it
believe that very strongly.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
Yeah, like was very impactful to Bis.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
I'm surprised Bix made it out.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
I was surprised we saw Bix again. I figured after
she left. I was like, well, it's nice they didn't
kill her because she's been through it already. And I
was like, well, I guess we won't see her again,
which I would have been okay with. I could be like, oh,
she's just living in peace somewhere. But it was nice
that the legacy lives on.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
I guess great because even because of leading up to that,
In that last episode, Bell says to Cassian, do you
ever think about reconnecting with with Fix? And when was
the last time you talked? He's like she's safe somewhere.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
I know.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
Yeah, so they think Bell knew, Yeah, I think. I
think because they had some of those people there were
probably still part because they only had that small group
that went from Ferris to that planet, and one of them,
Will was with them.

Speaker 3 (39:31):
I'm surprised that Will made it out of the show.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
I thought, yeah, for sure, I thought he was going
to succumb to and be part of sas Gorillas, but
he didn't know.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
He stayed away from them, but he maintained some of
that mentality after he left saw.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
That's true. But pretty much all the people that re
main focused in season one, Oh, I know, I cried
the main I s B people, Party guys, Mara, Lannie, Human,
Shield Boy, Deer, It's here's they're all dead, Luthian's dead,

(40:12):
Claiya is alive.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
I love that Clay lived.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
That was my favorite character, she shine, especially because she
was so I'm trying to think of the word and
I was. I still have been thinking about it. I
can't really. It's like when someone is for the most
part she was in season one and even for the
more like the first few episodes in this season was
so like prim and proper, like but it's also stoke,

(40:40):
but it's more of it, like a negative term where
it's like you're so just like you don't you can't
not loose enough, but you're always And it showed that
when when time, when the desperate times, you know, needed
desperate measures, when the whole thing with Luthian went down,

(41:00):
then you saw her get especially in the scene where
she was pounding a hole in the wall to get
that old communicated device and she is pacing it and
she's she's panicking, going, I don't know what to do,
because I don't think we we saw her off planet
like on Chandrilla for the wedding, Yeah, but pretty much

(41:21):
like she was there as the was she like a
folk rum.

Speaker 3 (41:26):
So I mean, I think she was more important than
she was originally portrayed to be, Like she was doing
all of their communications stuff.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
I think one of our discussions before, like predictions were
that like her and Vell were going to like have
a full on like fight, like beat the crap out
of each other, and their own interaction was like empathy.

Speaker 3 (41:49):
Well because by that end there it's like, well there's
Vell and there's Claia.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
Yeah, it's like we're survivors. We survived this, and we've been.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
Through all of this throughout all these years, because by
the time the show's over, it's like it's at least
seven years, if not more.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
I'm trying to think of what Clay's endgame was when
she took the monitors off and was just I mean,
did she just want to walk in the forest because
she'd never done that, or was she going to just
like keep going at Vell didn't stop like find her.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
You know, it's I don't know. I still don't know
what she was. I think she was so I think
she was so shaken from having to kill Luth and
I think her whole world disappeared, right, and now she's
in this alien place where she thinks nobody wants her
to be anyway, and they didn't like her partner at all,

(42:43):
they didn't respect him, and she's like, hey, I have
friends everywhere. I've got you. Like, I thought that was
a really nice moment.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
Yeah, because she basically like when they were on Coruscond
and or Melchie and Cassie and are telling her the plan,
She's like, I'm going there as what like a prisoner?

Speaker 3 (43:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (43:02):
No, Yes, there was a big disconnect and we see
it in that scene where Cassian comes back with the
information going all this stuff and then those two and
I still don't like. I mean, Dave dey put Pary
portrayed their characters the same as they did in Rogue one,
the two senators where they were just like dismissive of everything, like, oh,
this is Luthian's person, and like you got don't realize

(43:25):
and Cassian said it back, you don't realize that without
Luthian there is no ye haven't you don't realize that, yes,
he and Will Will.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
Was like this all exists because of him. Luthen made
this happen.

Speaker 1 (43:36):
Yes he was he did end up. What did Bail
basically said was that his he was so self like
absorbed and that this whole.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
Part he didn't want to share. He didn't want to
collaborate anymore. He was just about what he was doing.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
Yeah, and he wanted in like he thought his way
was right. Yeah, speaking to him, though, I really did
love the interaction when Dedra comes to the shop, He's like,
I walked by this place all the time. I was
just wondering and the whole time you can tell Luthien
on his face is like I'm done because he had

(44:17):
just killed Lannie telling them they're onto you, and he's
in the process of, you know, burning THEO what would it?

Speaker 2 (44:26):
What?

Speaker 1 (44:27):
What actually made him go answer the door?

Speaker 3 (44:32):
I just know that he did. She just came in right.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
No, he went and walked up and opened the door
for her, and he's like, he basically said, well did
his whole introduction, and he was.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
Like like, you're saying, like, I'm done, so I don't
have anything to lose down. I think he was gonna relish,
telling her h kind of like throwing in her face
how stupid he thought she was.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
In a way, Yeah, I've known you the whole time exactly.
That's I was going to say that line where it's
just like I was hiding here in plain sight, but
I've known you this whole time, and we were one
step ahead of you. And I think he even says
that he had like a did he tell him about
Lonnie or basically it was just like we had people

(45:14):
that were, you know, helping us, and it was just
like you guys.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
We just wanted to scare her and make her feel
small because I think he always knew by then he
was gonna be done.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
Yeah, and especially too where there was completely foreshadow where
they saw where they showed the Nonlin death knife or whatever,
which was completely it was a softball pitch by dead
Drum being like, what things in here are possibly? You know,
I think as soon as he said that, he goes
in my mind, I think that thing is one hundred
percent legit.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
But it was.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
It was a weapon. Yeah, he couldn't use that. Did
you see the the gung and skull? There was a
gung and skull in there, a lot of the other
stuff like there's always I think every.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
Things with claws. They look like somebody's hands. Do you
know what I'm talking about?

Speaker 1 (46:03):
Yeah, I don't know what to telling me. Gilroy said
that there was always at least one or two Easter
eggs in there, like there was a lot of the pet.

Speaker 3 (46:13):
Cali Cory.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
Uh oh, yeah, they definitely in that last when you
were walking in with Dedre you saw the Twilight calikor
whatever you wanted to think that. There was a whole
episode of Rebels with her going back to get it
from throw on, because uh.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
There's two episodes about it in Rebels, a good one
and a really sad one.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
The but he goes most of the other stuff was
just that it was antiquities. It was stuff that we
know that we'd love to see the people do the
the the leo heyeh shapping point thing saying like I
know what that is. But then other times it was
just like you could spend hours looking at stuff. It's

(46:54):
not going to relate to anything.

Speaker 3 (46:56):
It was just which is totally realistic, right.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
Because everyone says it's like, oh man, during the whole
original trilogy, if ahsokoes around, why didn't we ever see here?
Because there was the rebellion was so big. There was
things that we don't see any of these characters, but
they're around. You only focus on those big three people
in the story if you really think about it, Like

(47:19):
Empire strikes Back, the main character is Luke is away
from there at the beginning when they leave Hath. They
don't get together again. Like Luke, when he leaves Hath,
he doesn't see Han again until when he's at Javia's
palace in Return of the Jedi. They're gone, they're separated
the whole time, and he doesn't see all those other

(47:39):
people until he gets saved on Bestman. So it's it's
a focus on what you're the focus of those movies
is not about the rebellion in itself, especially Empire strikes back.
It's about those three people. So yes, of course you're
not gonna see in that same sense. And Marakbar has
been around, why don't we see him? Grand Animal Toron's around?

(48:00):
You know this, it's because it doesn't focus on that.
It's also the same thing with Marvel. Why it took
how many movies from the time between Eternals and Captain America,
Brave New World where they did something with that giant
celestial and the ocean, because everything can't focus on everything
all the time, which is great storytelling. I think too,

(48:22):
is because you allude to stuff. Because there was a
lot of illusion in this too. Where they bring something
someone's like, oh yeah, boom, But for the people that
follow all this stuff, it's like, okay, yes, that's perfect.
There was even times when, especially there the in the
in I think it was episode eleven where Krenick comes

(48:43):
and talks to part of Gas and they interview or
they interrogating Dedra, and all part of Gas says is
death Star and then and then he says something about
Emperor Palpatine in that moment I go, oh my god,
that's right. This is Star Wars like it was such
just some spy show. This is it's it's a great

(49:05):
espionage show, but it takes you away. But there's still
enough stuff too.

Speaker 3 (49:09):
And his line is like, I mean, I can't believe
we kept it a secret. This song, so it it
gives you this impact of how secretive the Death Star
project was, which if you want, if you want reading
material on that, you can read Catalysts, which is an
okay novel, but it talks all about that kind of thing,
like I and I never thought Dedra she wouldn't have

(49:32):
known normally except somebody accidentally sent her files that she
wasn't supposed to see. That's the only reason she knew
about what the Death Star was. She was too lowly
to know about something like that. And so like, I
love that because it it is a small part of
the show, but it's like, no, it speaks to this
huge thing that nobody was supposed to know about.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
And in the context of it all, from the time
that anyone outside the groups know about it till the
time it gets blown up in Star Wars is like
two weeks. Yeah, if that, But what you said, too,
is when she was getting grilled by Krenick, and her
response on one thing was like, yes, I'm a scavenger
because I had to. Should I have reported it?

Speaker 3 (50:15):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (50:16):
And the look on her she was another person with
the face actor. I mean, you could tell when she
was mad. It was just like, oh my god, that
is a face that could sink a thousand ships. She
when she finds out that Lonnie had had her her coat,
pass key or whatever for the last year, she was
just like if she if he got it, he could

(50:38):
have stolen it. But then in that meantime, too, I
think the realization came over had like but but the
fact is that everything she knows now was Lonnie knew
who is being basically inferred that he is a spy.
Oh crap, all this stuff is out there, and it's

(50:59):
just again just the level of with him, because too,
you didn't have to know anything. He walks through that room,
she's on the other side. She sees Krenick like put
his like put his head down in his hand up
to her his forehead. I'm pretty sure that's when they
told him that Lutheran Rail was dead. Because she was

(51:20):
even said she even said that like, we will have
our group, will him we got him, And they're like, no,
we'll have information within a week or within a day,
he'll be ready to talk. Yeah, excuse me. Another thing
I thought of, too, what Liz brought up was when
they had the group that was sent to go retrieve
Clea and all of those the ISB or whatever group

(51:43):
military people. She's like, how come not a single one
of them have a helmet on.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
Because they were the rent to cops.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
Yeah, I mean they had hats on. And the first
thing I thought of too is that scene at the
end of Dumb and Dumber where he was talking about
how he had the body shield on and Lloyd's like,
what if he would have shot you in the face? Then,
oh crap. The thing is, though, the Empire, especially when
you realize that in the OT like the tie fighters
had no shields, they had no hyper drive, they were

(52:09):
bare bones. The Empire didn't care about the people that
were doing that work.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
Well, and there's a hierarchy, So the stormtroopers are actually
supposed to be like elite soldiers for the Empire.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
Yeah, they were well good, they were the so and
here's the thing too, is where Obi Wan where he
says that line, only Imperial Stormtroopers are so precise with
their shooting. His last recollection of Stormtroopers were clone troopers
becoming stormtroopers. Clone troopers were when they went out and

(52:40):
recruited people to be Stormtroopers. No, the individual Stormtroopers, then
the death Troopers, the range Troopers, the stuff like that.
Those guys were more specific a stormtroopers, me getting a gun,
putting a shield on, going through two weeks of boot
camp and being like, Okay, I don't think.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
That that's necessar early the case, because otherwise, why wouldn't
you know, why wouldn't they have had them. I think
they had to have different levels of soldier. And these
were literally like the local cops.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
No, I think I think that's they they sent them
there because those were the local guy Because even when
the one Kurts hurts hairt here was at the shop
and they said they'll pick you up out front, and
they just grabbed the local uh cruiser ship and then

(53:31):
went right to the place. Everyone there that was there
was local, but it was still just sort of like,
oh my god. Though that scene where the lady was
getting all like hot and bothered about the the communication
unit that Clay had used, like this is ingenius, and
then she looks up and here it was just like.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
What stop.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
Again? In a matter of this life and death thing,
they have this little part that makes it be so funny,
the tension out. Yeah, you have to. You have to
deflate the tires every once in a while because they're
just gonna be, you know, blown right back up.

Speaker 3 (54:06):
So yeah, my only complaint, My only complaint. When they
went to get Clea, they should have just bagged her
and tagged her and left. I don't know why they
spent all that time talking in that apartment.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
Oh that's true.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
I was like, get out of there.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
Yeah, because they pretty much like got they like spent
the night and.

Speaker 3 (54:28):
The chill and having a long old chit chat in
that kitchen. I was like, you guys need to move
your asses. I'd be like, we're getting out of here asap.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
Oh no, that's right, they got there. Okay, that scene
it started, Hey are you with us with Kato when
he's walking to the bridge and he's like, no, smack,
hey you get here over the phone or over the intercoms, Hey,
any KX security droids in this area. I got called
in nope. And then you just hear the screaming on

(54:56):
the other end because that one dude that was the pilot,
he had this like feed up on the dashboard was
just like chilling and this and that, and then him
just going through the whole thing using here is that
human shield and then him looking at Cassie and and
is just like Cassie and I'm here, I cleared a
path for it. I think some of it too, is

(55:18):
the reason why they didn't leave was is that they
had a convince like.

Speaker 3 (55:22):
Want to go, but I'm just saying, like smack her
upside the head and put her over your shoulder and
let's go.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
Yeah, like we have to get out of here.

Speaker 3 (55:29):
But again because they knew they weren't supposed to leave,
and how they were received when they headed back to
yeav And it was like who are you? And I
was like, first of all, guys, come on, who do
you think it is? Like it's obviously Cassis no, But.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
I think something something did happen they said. I mean,
if you watch second time, is that their communication was
down when they were coming back in and they were
coming in hot again just between the plate. Well, the
thing is they didn't know if someone was in there
with them too, this could have been like did they
come in next thing, you know, a star destroyer shows up.

(56:02):
But the the tension and the just the over Moore
overall drama in the Gorman massacre episode the excursor or
the excursion of mon Mathma from the capt the Senate building,
Oh my god, that was just you know Cassian too,
like how many genibe Vo Riley's facial acting like when

(56:26):
Cassian just kills the driver and she's like, oh yeah,
like he's just randomly killing people.

Speaker 3 (56:32):
She's never seen anybody murdered from.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
And then later on when she was basically like he
was explaining to people like that group, like what I've done,
Like when I was there to bring her here, so yes,
you're welcome. I forgot what my point was. Oh the
just the dramatic, you know tension that the mon Mathma.
I was like sitting on the edge of my couch

(56:55):
going like, I know they're gonna make it out. I
just don't know what the steps were. Same thing too,
They're coming back in the the ewing. It's hot. They've
got the guard of the the two in the front
and one in the back. The X Wing's coming in.
K two just looks over at him in the waves.
He's just like that was right after the like I

(57:16):
plan on telling them you kidnap me. Between that and
the wave it again it cut that tension. But then
as soon as they land, they've got the whole group.
Uh the Draven comes out and it's like, who's in
there with you besides you guys. Kate puts his heads
down and he waves again.

Speaker 3 (57:33):
He's like, I'm here just like because he gets all
the way down like you.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
But the fact is it fits totally perfect because we
know his it's like that dry just humor. But it
does cut that seat. But at that point there was
so much tension and he's getting the like the book
throwning hit him by everybody. But then ten minutes later,
Draven comes to him and he's like, I got a

(57:59):
mission for you. You got to go Tipic will not
stop calling, will only talk to you. And then from
that point they you start piecing things together from Rogue one,
especially with the uh Man I can't think of the
name of the Ring of the Ring of Caffreen. He's
like he's calling from Kraffeen in which we see is
that Double Planet where he ends up, you know, as

(58:21):
soon as he keeps saying Tipic, who, by the way,
could be Will's father for all we know. He looked
that actor looks exactly like I know, I know, I know,
I know, I know, I know. But the actor too,
is like they had that same curly hair and looks
the same. And I was just like, because when I
looked him up, I was like, who is Because we
looked up Tibic when Party Gas was listening to the Manifesto,

(58:45):
and that was that guy's What was that guy's name again? Yeah,
so it sort of sounds the same.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
Where are you going with this?

Speaker 1 (58:54):
I'm just going with the fact is that everything was
starting to little pieces. We're going, Oh, this connects right
here to Rogue one. This is why they did this
in Rugue one. This is why they did this Rogue one.
This is why all these people And if you notice,
like Jennivie Wiley's hair had changed from that pushback like
proper thing to the front cut she had in you're

(59:16):
pretty much see in the rest of the movies. So
and even like the clothing the people, I thought it
was really weird too. The guy who in Rogue one
runs out to tell mon Mathma that they're on scare
Off and there's a the rebels are there starting, and
that's when she has a little smirk on her face.
And then Randa goes to take off. Is the same
guy who runs and tells them something, runs and tells

(59:40):
Draven about another thing from Tibet calling, except for they
didn't bother to change the fact that this dude is
like ten years older now and he.

Speaker 3 (59:47):
Looks like I didn't even notice that.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
Yeah, but it's just like that's the only point that
every other actor, it literally has been like ten years
since they filmed Rogue One. Draven looks the same, Jennifer,
everyone looks the same except for Organic Bale. Organic looks
a little thinner and younger, a little different, a little different.

(01:00:12):
But the fact is that it doesn't to me change,
you know, the story or how it went. So I
love it either way. So that oh no, all right,
So yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
It's great and stuff. We could probably talk for another
hour about it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
I know, it was just sad, like, I don't know
how much we're gonna have to talk about it, but
it's already been.

Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
On the comic that we read.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
Oh yeah, we knew that it wasn't gonna pretty much
that story. They weren't going to be beholden to it,
where they were beholden to a lot of other stuff.
That one shot comic. It was fun and no relevance
to the story and.

Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
The way they met this way, I don't know it
was better.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
Yes, I did think that too, especially with the like, uh,
I would appreciate it if you stop pointing that gun
at me or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
If I have offended you, I'm sorry, yes, so.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
Excuse me. I can't tell you how many times I'm
u to my microphone.

Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
I keep copying in this.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
It's the air out here, man, allergies are killing me.
But anyways, Yeah, people want to get ahold of us.
How can they do it?

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
You can follow us on our socials. We're on Instagram, Twitter,
and Facebook. You can email us your thoughts on and
or season two at Spark Podcast at gmail dot com.
That's Spark with us, and follow all of the shows
over at Stranded Pandela dot com.

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
And speaking of shows, we got our Sparks podcast buddies.
Some shows we think you should go check out their
names and the links are in our show notes and
they are Across the by Frost, Mighty Thoor, Dan and
Ean have Questions Commute the podcast Sega Bits Mocktails from
the Cantina Rebel Force Radio presents The Bob O Freaks,

(01:01:50):
Jack Kirby, So Weird, So Fun, and the Star Wars
Yow Universe, Why ow You Niverse? Yeah Universe always is
a weird way of say yo Universe. It's hosted by
our very own James Hewings, where he talks about, you know,
how Star Wars impacts you every day and how you
live your life revolving around Star Wars. So yes, it

(01:02:14):
is our wheelhouse. So Liz brought that up at by
her page, the eighteen year old, I don't call it
page eighteen year old. She graduated from high school yesterday
and then we had her reception. Yeah, her dad's cousin
came up and I had I have a bunch of
like Hawaiian looking type shirts, if you want to call

(01:02:37):
them like that. But they're tricky that you can't really
tell they're Star Wars, but they are because this one
I had was sort of like orange and red and
it had silhouettes. It was basically the Battle of Scariff
and her Jacob Paige's dad's cousin came up to me
and it was like, I looked, I'm standing here looking
at your shirt and not realizing that that's an ad
at and that's the E wing. And then he's just

(01:02:59):
like I'm like, oh thanks. And Liz is like, well,
Star Wars is his wheelhouse, Like oh my god, I
got you saying it now.

Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
So she's been indoctrinated.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
Yeah, And so we started talking about that about how
this incredible and or is so it does. But the
last thing I wanted to get you guys to think
of is, so it's now Rogue one a prequel sequel
or a sequel prequel, because is it a prequel to
Star Wars or a sequel to and or or.

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
Just you know it's a Star Wars story.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
Yeah. Oh, basically here's the thing too. Next year already
it's going to be December of twenty twenty six is
the ten year anniversary of Rogue one. Tony Gilroy has
already said that he's going to put together a two hour,
two and a half hour and or season two. Most
likely it's going to be like taken from the last

(01:03:51):
three episodes into a theatrical release that you could watch
and then watch Rogue one and then watch Star Wars
in the theater, which again it's makes me think of
you know, hey, if I could sit to three of
the extended versions of the Lord of the Rings trilogy
and the theater thirteen hours, I could do seven.

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
Hours of Star Wars saying power Yeah, and.

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
Especially because that story is literally so linear, like that too,
it's just boom boo boom boo, boom boo boom so marathon.
Look forward to that in eighteen months or whatever it is.
So but until then, like I said, next week, we'll
be talking about Daredevil Born Again. And until then, remember
two things be excellent to each other, and never judge

(01:04:30):
a book by its movie.

Speaker 3 (01:04:31):
Love you three hundred, Thank you for listening to Source Pages,
a reading collective, a proud member of the Stranded Panda Network.
If you would like to contact us, you can email
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(01:04:51):
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