August 5, 2025 • 51 mins
It's been a minute since the Chicago-based exploits of Riri Williams and others on Ironheart wrapped up its season on Disney+, but Hayley and Brian are here to review it and compare it to the Dark Reign: The Hood comics that were read as a primer. It's sure to have some crazy plot twists, like the show had!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Right now on Source Pages. It's time to go to
Brian's hometown, meet re Ray Williams, Dodge the Hood, and
talk about iron Heart on Disney Plus. But first it's
(00:31):
time for the podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Welcome Back by fellow high Tech Criminals. I'm Brian V. Klein,
I'm Male Hobbes, and I hope we're actually not high
tech criminals, but that just had to do with the show.
But anyway, this is Source Pages where we read comics
or books and watch TV shows for your geeky TV
shows and movies that are coming out as primers, continuations,
whatever you want to call it, it's what we do here.
And like Hayley said, this week, we are going to
(00:55):
review and compare the iron Heart series. Yeah, we're a
little bit behind because all of a sudden, we had
a not much happening and then all of a sudden,
bam bam, bam, bam bam all things, all the things
we would have done our Superman review in comparison. But
there's one problem. I can't do a review of it
because I had not seen the movie yet.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
It gives me time to maybe see it again, so
I think it's fortuitous.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
I was planning on doing it on Saturday because I
had a little bit of time after I got done
working before the showing of it, and and Liz and
the kids were taken. She took them out because she
needed to just get them out of the house to
oh No, she had a birthday party and they weren't
going to be back until about six. So I was
gonna go to the four thirty showing. So I'm working
on my new vehicle. I've got the stereo in the
(01:43):
vehicle playing while I'm working in it, not thinking that
it wasn't on the auxiliary mode. It was in that
little mode before you started, and I drained the battery
and so I had to wait, and I couldn't go
get a they've got. It's like a portable charge unit,
only about a hundred bucks and you could just cook
(02:03):
it up to your positive cable ground it starts up
your vehicle. Well, I had to spend one hundred bucks
to get a guy to come in and jump in,
and then by that time it was six to something
and I was just like, you know what, forget it.
So I'll probably end up seeing it this weekend, barring
you know, anything, doesn't change it. My work, I work
(02:25):
for the postal service, and it is not in a
global thing. Our unit, our town is just going through.
Some people are leaving the job for a multiple of reasons.
One person passed away she had cancer, and one person
quit because she I won't go into that, but yeah,
(02:47):
so I've been working a lot. The paychecks are nice,
and the thing is that it's sort of like, it's
not I've learned to be able to control how it
affects my body because sometimes it's like I wake up
in the morning and it's feels like I got ran
over by a steamroller. But I've gotten better. I drink
a lot of fluids and protein and stuff now and
(03:07):
it's just sort of like, oh, it's not too bad.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
So anyway, physical labor, yeah, it was.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
It's I love the job because once you're it's it's
the only job I've ever had where and I think
we probably talked about this. There is no downtime or
as we call it, f around time, because you get there,
you do what you need to do, You hit the road,
you do what you need to do, you get back,
You're done. There's no like waiting an hour for like
break time or this. It's just and if I get
(03:35):
done early, I still get paid to my certain amount
of time. If I roll over it, then nowadays I
get paid overtime, So yay boring. But that's just my
life now. So which is why I haven't been able
to do anything. I haven't even watched any of the
episodes for the second and the bonus episode of Sandman
yet because every time I go to sit there to
(03:56):
watch it, I fall asleep. I'm like three weeks behind
some of my animate shows I'm watching. I was doing
a Firefly rewatch and I'm stuck on episode eight because
by the time when I get done, you know me,
and we've talked to you, and I have personally talked
about this where I can go, go, go, go, go
four hours to sleep, I'm fine, but once I stop
(04:16):
and it's about five minutes in, my body is like, okay,
you're stopping now, Okay, turn it off, and it's just
like I'm out. I mean, I can't watch TV at
nine o'clock anymore because it's just I have to either
be up or even sometimes i'm sitting there with Liz,
she'll like elbow me or hit me. She's like, you're
I can hear you're like breathing heavy because you're falling
(04:38):
a seat.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
It's like, I'm sorry, so study breathing of a sleeper.
I was watching poker Face this weekend with Natasha Leone.
It's pretty all right, pretty.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
All right, she's in She's in Fantastic four. Right, Yes,
we discussed it, Okay. I'm trying to think. There's some
people that I get confused who they are. The voice, no,
I know, but that she has the look of a
couple other actresses I know, sort of like how you think, like.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
What does she look like?
Speaker 2 (05:07):
That's why I can't think of the names right now.
But you know the person that Sasha Baron Cohen was
married to.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
A redhead is.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Fisher, looks like like Isla Fisher looks like the one
that played Lewis Lane in the Old Superman. She was
on the Office Amy Amy Adams, Yea, they do. If
you look at this the spiral, Well, it's just that
there's certain actresses when you look at them, you go, oh.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
My god, any of those three women look like No.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
No, it was it was a I could have said
Zoeida Channel and Katie Perry, which people bring up and
it's like.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
I actually shy and dark hair.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
It's the bangs, you know, although there's that thing where
they show like Zoe Channel without the bangs or the glasses,
and they're like, this is why Superman can get away
with becoming Clark Kent because you look at you go,
oh my god, that's seyh. Now that's a new girl.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
And his perception classes.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yes, well, if that's something from the new movie, yeah,
but I.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Think that's in comics too, isn't it some of it?
He's sure, I've read. I think that.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
I think that always throws it off as a little
curly cue that falls down from his hair, which I
get a lot nowadays because of the I got my
hair shorter but the tops longer, but it falls down
and then it just does THEO.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
So, well, what do you talking about that next week?
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Maybe hopefully if we don't, then it's gonna be reviewing
comparison for probably sand me I I forget to do it,
or maybe even Dared Well, I think we might get chances.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
We're never doing that, Daredevil. Don't act like we're gonna
do that. That's gonna be the new thing. We're just
not doing that.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
It's gonna be like Matt Damon always getting like bumped
from Jimmie Kimmel or something.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Like that, like like why well, there's no reason happening.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
And then like in twenty two when he ate, we're
gonna be like a review in comparison for season one.
We've already done seasons two and three of darwd Delbow,
but here's season.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
One of the Netflix show. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
So anyways, iron hard iron. Besides that, though, I'm just
saying right now, as far as famous people go across
the world, listen to me, stop dying, jim. I know
it's a hard thing to do, but like Lennie Anderson
died yesterday, and for me as the seventies and eighties kid,
I mean, I love w Kerpian since Lennie Anderson. She
(07:32):
was married to Burt Reynolds. She was the star on
w KP in Cincinnati. She was in like Kennemall Run
and other stuff. If you saw her big blonde hair, poof,
she kinda has a certain seventies She looked a lot
like Dolly Parton as far as like the hair and
the facial features and stuff like that. But between I mean,
(07:52):
last week was tough with Ozzie and just Ryan Samberg
was the big one. I mean, he was my favorite
baseball player all the time, and then he I thought
something might have been up because he and here's the
funny part, not funny, but ironic. He was diagnosed the
same day as the person who I worked with, Lisa,
(08:12):
was diagnosed with cancer. And then they both died last Monday.
It's like, that's just the coincidence. Is just like Woo.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
And Ryan and all the people, everybody.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Everybody ri ip baby so but not ri I P
two iron hard.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
It's like, what did you think? I'm curious.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
I enjoyed it. I thought the first okay, the first
episode when Liz and I watched it, we watched it
the first night, just the first episode, and it didn't
It was interesting, but it wasn't just like, oh my god,
I want to watch the second episode right away. But
we it took us a couple of days to get
into it because it time wise. But then once we did,
we did two, and then we did three. And then
(09:00):
the next week when they dropped four or five and six,
we watched I think we watched four and five. We
watched four or five and six all like in a
row on a Saturday like that Saturday Night or something
like that. So I enjoyed it. I think they went
away with ree Rey Williams. I didn't think they were
(09:22):
going to. And at first it was kind of like,
is this really what they're gonna do with this character
because I've never seen her like this in any of
the comics. But then it ended up being there was
a reason for it, and it worked and I liked it.
And you know, the one thing beforehand I was spoiled
for was it was like the Day After Entertainment Weekly,
(09:44):
which I don't even subscribe to you on Facebook, there
was a pogorithm. Yeah, but it just says Sasha Baron
Cohen joins the MCU as a character, as a character
that there's been teased since the first w As soon
as they laid it all out, I'm like, son of
a bitch, he's Mephisto. So Mephisto. So I did like
(10:09):
the reveal though, where she was just like, am I
supposed to know who you are?
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Because they all thought it was going to be their
Mamu because of the didn't they wasn't it sort of
like in the comics too, where they thought it was
ther Mamu because of the the cloak and the resonance
or something. Yeah. Yeah, because when they did that flips
the flip to the upside down place, that was like
the magic place, and I was like, what the hell
is going on here?
Speaker 1 (10:32):
I loved that.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Yeah, that was cool. I'm like, there's so many characters
I think are going to be able to be used
going forward if Kevin Figy does it, you know, if
they're not one of those people that now, like Kevin
Figy said, oh, we might not see Charley's Thorne's character
anywhere in the future. We may not see this person's character.
Although I did see that say that. No, he said we.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
May or may not, right, he didn't see like do
you want to see.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Them specifically those characters. So now that they introduced because
I think another one was Hercules, it's like, we might
not be able to see him because he might not
fit into what we're doing. But I'm trying to think
of Yeah, so I did see that they're finally using
on set for the New Spider Man that Scorpion's going
(11:21):
to be in it, which they teased at the end
of Spider Man Homecoming. Oh yeah, same actor and everything.
So anyways, Yeah, I really dug Ironheart. So what did
you think, Hayley, I really.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Dug it too. I don't understand the flak. I really
really liked it. Anthony Ramos, I will just say up
at the top was the worst part. Like he just
there's something about the way he plays his character of
the Hood that I was like, I don't like this.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
He's not believable, I think as a too bad guy. Yeah, yeah,
he doesn't come across. Although I don't think he was
trying to be. It was a little bit more. I mean,
the I hate the side with their what they were doing,
the whole robin Hood aspect of it, so that the
(12:13):
victimless crimes, but the people that are getting you know,
he was basically blackmailing people, yeah, and basically just being like,
we're gonna put out of his payroll. But then they
kept just like up and I thought when he did
the thing where they were on the payroll for the
one dude and they're just like just stop there, right,
you didn't need to go any bigger. But they're just
you know, greed just keeps get going. And then you.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Know, I just don't think he's a very good actor.
Like I just don't. I mean, I won't go any further.
I just don't think he's very good act you know,
look at him and Twisters. Hamilton is one thing, because
that's different. But I just I just don't think he's great.
So anyway, ham aside, I thought the show was great.
(12:55):
I think that re Rai's motivations all made complete sense
to me. I saw a lot of people talk about
her decision making, and it's like, if you were a
young black woman from the South Side of Chicago who
has had to fight for everything she's ever had in
her life and has had these like tremendous losses, you
too would probably make these decisions because you're trying to
(13:16):
like do everything you can't provide and hold on to
what you have. And so I disagreed with people who
thought her decision making was bad. And I'm like, she's
also really young. I think she's only supposed to be
like nineteen. I mean she's young, right.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
She was in college when she was like in her
like fourteen figues right, because.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
She's genius, like Tony Stark level genius. So I just
disagreed with that discourse, and I thought it made sense,
and I think it's not like I can relate to that,
but I can understand it, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
But what was the catalyst on which, by the way,
it took me a good thirty seconds to go holy shit,
that's han solo oh longer than that, because I sat
there and I was like going like, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
But I was like I seemed so familiar.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Then it was just like I looked at Liz at
both at the same time, I'm like, do you know
who that is? And it both clicked, were like, what
was the what was the catalyst? Because she kept failing
when she was at school at MIT to do what
she needed to do with all this funding, but that
you went black market? Was it the black market tech
that that all the Aaron Rights character had that allowed
(14:29):
her to do it? And I T didn't have it.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
I don't think she failed, m I T. I think
she succeeded, but she caused too many problems on their
minds and she destroyed too many things.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
But wasn't Part of the side of that was that
they weren't getting the results they thought they should be
getting from her at that time. It's sort of like
the said, I think yes, the cost, the cost, yeah,
balance wasn't correct, I.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
See what you're saying. Yes, but I think I think
it was more like like her suit was working, but
she wasn't like being able to mass produce it. Basically,
I think was kind of the you know, you're not
making something we can now sell to make back all
this grant money we gave you or whatever. But wasn't
(15:14):
she getting the Tony Stark grant too? Yes, so yeah,
I think I think that was an excuse for them
just to kick her out. Though I don't think that
was a found because like people who do research don't
produce results for a really long time, Like that's not unusual,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
No, and also thinks I mean that was perfect casting
at the beginning for the professor. The dean that kicked
her out of there was Jim Rash, who was Dean
feulnt Non Community for the whole time. It's just like
there's certain people that when you see them, it's sort
of like, oh, that's this person is here in a
capacity of doing this because he was recently on a
(15:56):
couple episodes of Abbed Elementary as like a person from
the district who was overseeing some of the money they
had It's like he basically is every day should.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Play a college faculty member.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
He's supposed to be. Yeah, he's like a high up
education supervising person type yeah person. Although he'd also did
he won an Academy Award for Writing for Best Screenplay
for uh for Oh the Descendance Oh Cool? So yeah,
he won an Academy Award for that, like fifteen years ago.
(16:31):
It's like, oh my god, de felt good on you man.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
So but I love the whole melding of magic and technology.
I got very excited when they introduced Zelma because Zelma
is a big character and I think it's Jason Aaron's
doctor Strange Run and I was like, oh Zelma. I
was like, I know who that is. I was like,
I get that, understood that reference. And she was so
cute and funny, and I really loved that little actress
(16:55):
that played her. She was just perfectly cast. I thought,
I like, I just I liked all of the actors
except Anthony Ralmos, because I just thought they were all
seemed like they were having fun with it and it
made me have fun with it. And when they were
like poking fun at the things in the story that
we're silly that we're going, yeah, this is totally ridiculous.
You're wearing this cape and you're like blah blah blah.
(17:17):
Like I was like, that's funny, Like I get into
that kind of humor. So the Zeke Stayin stuff got
a little you know, rushed and convoluted there in the end,
and didn't love it, but it wasn't like a deal
breaker for me. And then I was so funny when
I was watching when Sasha Baron Cone comes out, I'm like,
I'd forgotten they cast him, and I was like, that
(17:39):
looks like Sasha Baron Is that Sasha Baron Cone. That's
not Sasha, Like my mind just couldn't come to grips
with that was him, right, And then he did such
a good job.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
I think cause he's he's he reminds me a lot
of early days of Gary Oldman, where they their chameleons
is at sometimes where you don't know it's them. Yeah. Actually,
piggybacking on what you were saying about actors you don't like,
I know exactly what the reason why. In the first
episode I was kind of questioning it. I am not
(18:15):
a fan of Eric Andre. He's the guy that played
rampage and luckily they killed them off right away. Yeah,
because it seemed like he was on I really liked
that Two Broke Girls show on ten years ago, and
then he came on like the third season and his
character destroyed it. And then he did something else on
another show and his character destroyed it for me. So
(18:35):
every time I see him, Plus I tried watching it
if he had his own show on Comedy Central or
it's called The Eric Henery Show, which was like the
weirdest like someone would beginning interviewed like a regular actor
and some guy would come and just like come and
stick their genitals in their face, like but naked. It
was like it was the weirdest thing. And I'm watching,
(18:58):
like Tim and me and Eric can do this, but
not that Eric. But it's it's but it's not weird.
It's weird, but it's interesting. This was just weird and like,
what is wrong with you?
Speaker 1 (19:09):
So I think once that once kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Right, he tried to be so as soon as I
saw him come on on the screen and I'm like,
hopefully this is the guy that gets killed that we
have to go to the place, and it was we
don't see much of him. Sorry if anyone likes out there.
Another thing that's kind of cool too is the actress
who played Zelma's mom, Madeline and Crese Summer. She's also
(19:39):
on Abbed Elementary and she was also on a Different
World all those years ago as one of the that
was like the Cosby Show offshoot that Bristin Time came
out of and Lisa Burnet and I'm like, I'm like,
oh my god, she looks pretty much the same as
she did, you.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Know, their little candy shop, magic shop. That's so funny.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
And the fact that they knew each other because she
was also friends with.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Because Mary's mom is into the Woo Wu stuff too,
which was fun, right. Yeah, it was just such a
fun way to put those two things together. And they're
the things that shouldn't go together, but they and really
they didn't by the end of it, like it didn't
work because it killed the Natalie AI and Ruy was like, no, no, no,
I want her back. I want her back. And so
(20:26):
did you think did you think that she a had
gone through with the deal with Mephisto And then did
you think until she hugged her that Natalie was still Ai?
Because I was totally gotten sold on it.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
That threw me off, and then it also was just
like y oh no, no.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Yeah shit. So it's kind of the one more day thing,
but it's just it's Ironheart instead of spiders, right.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
But I think it's also too because she should have
gauged people's reactions from Natalie's, you know, like her was it.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
But that's what I'm saying, like a nineteen year old
who just misses their best friend, who just feels very alone,
Like that's what you're gonna do. You're gonna be like, yeah,
I want her back, And she thought that she was ai.
I think she didn't know that he would bring her
back as a person.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Maybe he's doing this sort of like it's it's like
if if he continue on for another ten minutes, it's
sort of like, this is what you could have, and
she's just like, no, it's not worth the price that
it's going to cost, because I know that she has
She is very She does a lot of critical thinking
(21:38):
from the heart, which sometimes you can't do that because
you can't let emotions be involved. A lot of times
with critical thinking.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Well, she makes impulsive decisions from the heart.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Right, so she doesn't think about it, same thing with
like at first glance too, Storm's decision not to you know,
we can find a way around it. But if at
the end of the day, if it was like coalactives,
is nothing else you gotta do the one doubt wait
or what's a the needs of the many outweigh the
needs of the few type thing. Yes, that's what's gonna happen.
(22:09):
But another thing I thought of now is that fight
scene they had between re Re and all the different
members of the group afterwards, when they were fighting like
in the white Castle White Castle and stuff like that.
I think a lot of that was just it. That's
(22:30):
not how it would have played out unless the people
that were on the other side that were her former
teammates are sort of pulling their punches because I think
we would have gotten she should have gotten destroyed. She
should have gotten they should have Actually, it should have
been a lot sooner finished than it was. I know,
it's TV and stuff, and there's there's a certain amount
(22:50):
of you know, suspension of disbelief. But it's just like,
were they really that close that quickly that were able
to like to to I can't think of the names now,
but the two people that siblings. Yeah, where they were
just like they could have literally when she didn't have
the suit, like killed her in one punch.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
I mean, it does kind of seem like all of
them didn't really want to do.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
It, right, But Clown was sort of like really like Clown.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
I love Clown. She was so funny. But she's the
one who really has said check into Rampage's death, like
look into it because something's not up. And so I
think that's part of why she was. I mean, they
were going after each other, but I don't know. I
mean that she sees Zeke let her go and she's like, okay,
(23:41):
and then she confronts Uhod about it.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
So oh no, because John was already dead, which, by
the way, he was the character that was just like
he had no at any point during the show, because
even like Slug or Clown or any of those, I mean,
Slug was pretty much who was the Slug was the hacker, right, yeah,
he she was like they they were just like business,
(24:06):
that's it, you know. And then but then when but
not at.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
The sacrifice of the team, because all because that's the
thing is they're all the misfits, right, it's the island
of misfit toys and then once what's his name? Once
the parker turns on them, they're like, oh, nah, like
you brought us here under a different pretense, like we're
not here for this, Well.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Didn't they if? I'm like, they went after re Read
because they showed that she was the one responsible for
John's death at that hest, he told them, he told
them because miss Fisto showed him the yeah, the time
frame type stuff. So that's when they were all just
like okay, right, and then followed him because yeah, they
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knew her, they knew him a lot longer, they had
had the kind of bond with re Read. But still
at that same time, it was sort of just like
some of the people's I would just say motivations at
the end was just like I guess we're just gonna
follow wherever it's gonna be most beneficialist to keep making
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more money.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
And no, I mean at the end they walk away.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
No, I mean at the end when at the end,
before you know, when they realized what was going on,
they were just sort of like, okay, we're going to
follow up, well, yeah, after him. And then when they
finally did, it was just like they didn't ask, you know,
I don't know, I think never.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
I think they've never had cause to question him, you
know what I mean. It's like he's this charismatic leader,
and then once there was actual evidence of him doing
something against you know, whatever kind of code they've come
up with as a team, they were like, we're out.
And I mean he attacks slug like and he attacks
(25:51):
clown and that's when they're for sure like, nope, we're
not doing this.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I say, I think I found the character I hate
the most was Zeke's neighbor.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Oh. I love when he went over there and started snipping.
There were some really good editing moments in this show.
Like I mean, I'm not I know, I'm defending. I
just really liked it. I thought was fun and there
are some parts of it that are just not super great,
and I get that, but like, some of that editing
is very good and I'm gonna see him. That's Ryan
(26:24):
Coogler's touch on it since he was an executive producer.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Oh yeah, I think that whole scene too, because what
was funny was is that they did a very good
job of uh portraying Chicago the way it was. Because
the neighborhood that they were in. I don't know if
it was Highland Park or it was in north Shore.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
No, they were in.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Oh Norbrook.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
No, Oh, where she lives?
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Where? No? Where, I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Oh, if you say it, all know excactly what it is.
It's another town. It's a whole other town because she
has to take the train out there. And now I
can't remember. I want to say Valparaiso, and I know
that's in Indiana. That's absolutely.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Evanston. Evanston is an upper class That's where Northwestern University
is located, and it is very much filled with Okay,
right north of Evanston is Highland Park, and Highland Park
is where like Michael Jordan's thirty million dollar estate is.
You know, it's that's where it's it's called it's called
(27:43):
the North south Side. No, it's the north Shore, which
is called the Gold Coast, which is the reason why. Yeah,
and she's on the south So from the timeframe, I
remember a couple of times because they were talking about it.
If you jump on a train from the South Side
to Evanston is probably going to take you about forty
five minutes to an hour.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
If he drove it in no traffic on Lakeshore Drive,
it would probably take you forty five minutes to an
hour because it's.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Always everywhere it's for They were very good at the
fact that driving in the city at certain times, if
you're on the Dan Ryan, eisen or the Dan Ryan,
you're not going to move at all.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
But if you get on Lakeshore Drive or you get
on the Eisenhower to go into the suburbs, it can
move depending on the time of day. So but yeah,
it's if you're in the in the city there, you
take the Metra or the l and just go from there.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
So I love when she crashed lands and the one
lady is like you all right, you need a band
aid or something. It's just like, oh, I love that,
Like it just felt so good. I MVP is the
kid with the wagon. He was so funny.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Oh yeah, I love that kid.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
He hustle.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Yeah, because then he ended up when they turned the
old shop into like their new shop. He was like
hey and around there to like working on it, and
it was just.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Like everyone's like, hey, I got you coffees, like I
got you juice. I was like, this is like I
just love the little community she had come together. I
thought it was very believable, very nice. The drive bypart
was rough, like that was hard to watch, you know, that's.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Yeah, that's true. And also I got to give a
shout out to what was Danny's brother's name, Xavier. Yeah,
he his his character. I think I felt I empathized
with a lot because of especially when he saw the
(29:41):
AI That's what I was saying with the A I
T and He's just sort of like no, no, no
no no no no no, no, not okay, No, this
is not okay. I also thought it was kind of
a little I don't know what the backstory is, but
from what you just see him just on screen, their
romance might be a little like okay, because it's obviously
(30:02):
he's older and she was his younger sister's friend, and
I think there might be a pretty decent sized age gap.
I think that's a lot to overcome when it's just like,
I mean, can you just imagine knowing like if I
had a sister who was six years younger than me,
and then all of a sudden, once she beat the
sister became friends, became like old enough. It was just
(30:23):
sort of like, hey, what's going on?
Speaker 1 (30:24):
You know, I felt it's probably not as big of
an age gap as.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
You know, but it felt it felt to me a
little like that cringe well maybe cringey.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Yeah, Oh I didn't get I thought he was cool
and nice and respectful. And then yeah, he calls her out,
which I kind of hated it because it's like she
didn't mean to do that. I wasn't in her plan.
It just manifested that way. And then but then she
does a really poor job of explaining it, and Natalie
Ai was right like she should have told him, like
because her mom just accepted it. She was like, Okay,
(30:55):
I'm down, like I can do this. And I think
if she had talked to him instead of hiding it,
never hide things people, you know, might have gone down better.
But yeah, but now she has a real pickle because
now it's Natalie revived in some former fashion, which I
have to imagine it's gonna be Mephisto being like, well,
you didn't word it specifically, right, so what you get?
(31:19):
And too bad with your problems that are going to
come with the deal that you shook my hand on.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
So yeah, speaking about you know, just reveals the fact
that Zeke who was actually we learned at first as
they call them Joey McGillicuddy, which could have been just
Joe mcguffin. I mean serious, the mcguffin. But then when
he's just like, hey, what's when when they're in the house,
(31:45):
which I died laughing at this, So she's like, what's
in this? What's my bag?
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Bag full of rocks?
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Yeah, it's like, that's my dad. And then they put
two and two together and it finds out that his
dad is Obadi a Stain and he's actually elkil Stained.
Just like, oh my god, this is more. This is
a bigger connection to Iron Man than we thought it
was going to be. So this showed this show did
a very good I'm trying to think of the word
(32:23):
like because I don't know, by passing our expectations and
being just like, oh, that's another thing. I always remember
Parker Humboldt Park. That's where they're like hangout. Was that
place is supposed to be like not too far from where,
uh that right fest thing that I go to every year?
So yeah, so it is that?
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Is that Like they did some like on location stuff
in Chicago.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Yeah, there was a lot of stuff, I'm doing it
when they're especially because he was talking about I made
sure like when there was any kind of like time
frame or this, and that it was just like, Okay, okay,
I get that. Okay, yeah, that's right. I think they
do a little bit more homework into that, just because
of the fact that this was the first thing they've had.
It's not like, oh, it's not New York.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Well, and you want it to be right because people
in Chicago would be like, oh no, that's wrong, like
very quickly. So you don't want, you know, you don't
want them being like this is so stupid because they
didn't pay attention to this small detail that matters to
our city like that. And they had Chicago paraphernalia everywhere,
like the city flag, all the sports teams, all of
that stuff.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
I thought it was And the shot when I think
it was it was real when they were on the
lake and you could see where she is. The way
that that's set up with the city was that she
was on the south side. You could tell that because
of the museum district and in the city it the lake,
if the city is a certain distance from if you're
(33:47):
still in the water, and if you're looking at that
way and the lake is even or the city's even
further to the to the east, then you know you're
a little bit further north because the way that the
Lakes coast goes, after you get south of the city,
it cuts in a little bit and then it cuts back.
If you're on the north side, obviously it would be switched,
but you should be able to see different landmarks and
(34:08):
different things like we're navy peers, Like you could see
Navy Pier where it cuts out, and it would be like, Okay,
that's past the museum district where I mean obviously, when
you guys came, that was two years ago, wasn't it.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
I know, a Chicago was.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Three years ago. So when we were at the museum,
there was south That's where it was, south of where
we were at that when we went to the museum district,
Like my soldier field that over there.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
So times in Chicago. I got engaged in Chicago.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
I got That's why I thought was funny when you
guys came to visit us, and I was just like,
I'm doing all the stuff I've never done because I
live here and I don't want to go see the
bean and I don't want to go to the top
of a serious tower. I don't want to do I'm
doing all the touristy stuff, you know, except for you know,
the river. The architectural cruise up and down Chicago River
was really cool.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
It's so cool. Yeah, I could do that every time
go there, because you like, you would get different. Ay,
I go visit Chicago. Great.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Yeah, it's state north of Yeah, say north for like
fifty five. Though, don't go. Don't try to look for
like Reeby Williams. I mean, unless you have family or
something there. It's not always been, but there there's a
reason why certain people, like I'm in Chicago, go too
far south. Check out fucking Fountain and Grant Park, which
is in the mains area.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
But I think in October it's a great time to go.
Avoid the marathon though.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Oh yeah, the marathon.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Or we were there when the marathon is going on,
and we ended up walking like three miles up like
short drive because we couldn't get around because everything was
quartered off. It was so funny. We spent a lot
of time on short Drive.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Although when you get yeah, when you guys, when you
guys came, when you guys came to visit. It was
at the end of July when it was see in
the nineties and hundreds. We did a lot of walking
from the trains to do this, and it was just like, well, hey.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
That's what you do when you travel with Nathan Lee Hobbs.
We walk. No, it's it's a great city. I love Chicago.
I loved that the show was there.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Because, yeah, it gets it a little bit different, you know,
just it's a big city and it has I mean,
that's where the character was based off of in comics anyway,
so may as well keep it to the roots. And
speaking of comics, the we did there was quite a
bit of especially like not like the motivations and like, uh,
(36:34):
the John wasn't quite a as big.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Of a he was, yeah, more like a savior.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Yeah yeah, and in the shruff that like.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
His dad just tossed him out like that. He's like,
I didn't want you, and I was like, damn, that's
that's not like that's mean. So, I mean, you get
why Parker was being the way he was being.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
But yeah, at least in the comic, Jo knew and
was sort of like he was trying his best to
you know, you know, his main thing was that he
was an alcoholic and he was relapsing a lot. But
he knew Parker's secret, and in the show, I mean
it wasn't he knew the secret and he was family
(37:18):
and confidant and stuff like that, but I don't think
he had It didn't seem to me. I just don't.
I didn't like John's character. The acting was fine. When
you don't like a character, it's nothing against it. I
think he fit perfectly, but he had no root to me, hit,
no redeeming qualities whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Well, when he's alive, it's kind of like they're good cop,
bad cop, and John's the bad cop, and then once
he's gone, it's like, actually, Parker's probably the bad cop.
He's just been hiding behind John kind of as his
enforcer or whatever. He's been as lacky sort of. I'm
sure he's the one who went to kill rampage and stuff,
and it's just like, oh, actually, you're the one that
sucks more. Although but dude, John getting left behind and
(38:00):
suffocating to death also sucks.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Yeah. I kind of felt bad for him, and that
was the thing, though there was it was re res
you know, the motivations involvement in his death was a
lot more. I mean there was a bit of a
that she has to do it to cover her own bud.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
She's like barely a both. I mean it's the suit.
It's Natalie that like gets her out of there. But
she yeah, yeah, she's super complicit his death, which that's
something I don't think she's come to terms with. And no,
if they keep her character going like I hope they do,
like they that's going to be something I think haunts her, Like.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
That could be something that Mephisto uses as like just
he keeps pushing that you know that button being just
like you know you were involved in John wouldn't have
been killed if it wasn't for you.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
I love that he like slipped in and out of
his British accent when he was trying to entice them,
he was speaking in an American accent. Then when he
was like, what do you want, like I'm busy, he's
speaking in his regular accents. Go Sasha Baron Cohen. I
didn't have that on my Bengo card for being like
you're attractive this year. But you know what, he did
a good job. I'm into it. He did.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
He was He was excellent in it, although there was
a lot of things too where she was just like
to u Zeke, don't worry, don't worry, I'm not gonna hit.
I'm not gonna I need to use this. I'm not
gonna you're you're safe, you're safe. No one's gonna know
what's you. No one's gonna know what to you. And
then that was just like, oh my god, she's gonna
leave it there. And then that's how he gets arrested,
and and then he gets broken out of prison, and
(39:39):
you know, it's just like now he's a fugitive.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Yeah, and was a bit of a mess in this show.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Yeah, so now it's sort.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Of like al she's got her shit together.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
They're like it's gonna have to be like because wasn't
there a was there a mid credit scene with.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Zelma Parker comes into the camp.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
Parker comes into the shop to learn about like.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
You can help with magic, and she's like okay.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Yeah, like who are you don't be charmed by him, girl, No,
I'm smarter than that. Like re recomes in to like
say something or like getting out and sees them like,
oh crap. It's just like, oh, you know, each other
like yeah, we're enemies.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
Yeah, so everybody made you know, Marvel's been doing this more.
I've said it before, like they're keeping the villains and
they're not just you knowing them off and stuff like that,
like people used to complain about. It just leaves all
these loose threads, kind of like you were talking about
with the Kevin Fike thing. But I I want to
see more of this. I really really really enjoyed Iron Heart. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
And like you said with that though, is he's going
to try to keep the shows more street level and
the movies more you know, event level. So and then
they come pulling in and I'm trying to figure out
how we can get some It just seems like the
people and they could do it too, like with We're
by Night and Moonnight and some of those creature type
(40:59):
things are like that that fits in. I think with
they could they could fit into this show now even
with uh man not swamp thing, man thing, man things marble. Yeah, No,
swamp thing is no man thing is man thing. Swamp
thing is DC man thing. It is because it all
has that type of it all has it connects to
(41:20):
each other through Doctor Strange type stuff and you know, Yeah,
Mephisto and gods and magic and this. They could do
a show, because I think did they.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Well, we could do great Likes Avengers. I mean, we
haven't gone down that road, but like, I don't know,
you could get re Rea and I don't know.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
Great Lakes. Avengers was always to be like a joke
because it's it's like a Midwest thing, like whatever happens in.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
The Midwest nothing so anyways, and that's how we like it.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
So yeah, go ahead and go read the comic run
was good. It gives you a little bit more of
a better perspective of at that time too, Parker's Gang
was a lot more known and out there and Bigger.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
Hooked well that was very dark ray and so Norman Osborne,
I wonder if we see some of this pop up
in Spider Man Brand New Day Mephisto.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Maybe maybe Mephisto not directly here, because with it being
in Chicago, you know, it's just like, oh you can't,
you know, how are they gonna get there?
Speaker 1 (42:32):
So well, and her future is like super open right
now because she's just in Chicago doing whatever with her
real dead best friend. Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
That's the thing too. Is like, when we see these
guys again, we're gonna have to get like the Mephisto
of it all taken care of, because they can't just
leave it at that and be like, Okay, well, next
time you see it, it's it's taken care of in
some comic like no, don't do that, and it's separate.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
We Nathan and I saw Fantastic for uh this weekend
because he hadn't seen it yet, and I was like, well,
that was your last and see a movie till Spider
Man next year. And he was like what. I was like, yeah,
He was like, what are you talking about. I was like,
That's what I'm telling you is the truth. And so
I understand them saying like the shows will not have
(43:26):
to directly influence the movies and stuff like that, and
that's fine. I'm fine with that. I just wonder how
are they going to get some of this stuff put
together a little more better, a little more better, a.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
Little more yeah, a little more. I trust Figy, and.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
We don't know what's coming out past freaking wonder Man.
He's he's a wonder Man's coming out this year. So
I take back everything I.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
Think isn't Daredevil's Season two being filmed. Isn't it supposed
to come out? Is that next year or twenty seven?
Speaker 1 (43:57):
I don't know, So there's a lot of anyways, what
are we can right cover? We need a road map, Kevin.
Otherwise we're gonna end up reading the nineteen eighty Secret
Wars and nobody what's that?
Speaker 2 (44:12):
It's actually it's actually pretty. It's a lot but campier
and it deals with a lot more stuff. That's probably
unless they go with the Beyonder as far as.
Speaker 1 (44:19):
Like, oh my god, the Beyonder, the the blonde guy
in his khaki suit. You know what, maybe we should
read it just for fun.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
Well, they'll give us some time too, because it's been
a while since we've had our Secret Wars.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
Yeah, we haven't hit it in a while.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
When was the last we did Secret Wars? Was the
last one was in Rome? April fourteenth? Yeah, I guess
see when you're on the.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
Same thing as yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
Yeah, So anyways, all right, next week we're gonna if
it's not Superman, it may be it's gonna be some
kind of man, either Superman or Sandman or Daredevil Man.
Stop at Ocean Man. We do have a little announcement
(45:08):
for the The Sacred Jedi Texts is that our next
episode will not be covering Fatal Alliance, which is the
next in the like Darth series from the Old Republic,
but we are going to be doing a High Republic
Phase three and like just overall recap of everything that
(45:30):
went down in the High Republic.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
Could be a long episode. Yeah, we also do that
is already planning his ode to Geode.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
Everybody the Geode. If anyone doesn't know, just look up
Geo Republic. It's a.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
Character Todd. He's a rock.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
He's a rock, and he he made a last stand
at his you know, should be put into the Jedi
Temple arch of history. So yeah, he did every I mean,
he basically was a savior for the High Republic series
as far as the storyline goes, because it was like
a sacrifice. Okay, I won't say anything more. Although that
that thing is it's months old and most people reading
(46:17):
it or it might be listening to us anyway.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
So that's going to be on September.
Speaker 2 (46:23):
September, but we might be doing like we could do
a Isowakanda review because it drops today.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
No a drop last Friday. Did they moved it up.
Speaker 2 (46:34):
Oh my god, that's right for Monday. For some reason,
I'm thinking it's like the middle of the week.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
Ready, well, this week's I mean that'd be okay, let's
get this show on the road.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
It's only like four hour or four half hour episodes.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
Yeah, so I buzzed through it pretty fast. What did
you think about Fall Asleep during the second episode.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
I've heard some people complain about the animation.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
I don't love it, but it wasn't It wasn't super
distracting for me.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
It was finne is this Is it a lot like
the What If? Animation?
Speaker 1 (47:07):
No, it's nothing like that. It may may think more
of DreamWorks animation style, like The Prince of Egypt. Then
it's like, because it's twenty twenty five, it's very in
your face if that makes sense. Okay, it's fine, it's fine.
Speaker 2 (47:28):
It's fine.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
Okay, it's not my favorite, so I hope that it's fine.
Speaker 2 (47:32):
Actually, so it'll be like a our upcoming next month
of shows might just be like put on shuffle mode.
We have no idea what it's going to be, but
we'll let you know beforehand if we can. So, yeah,
you know, there's no homework for anyone. Karen likes having
the homework like laid out. We're not going to be
doing any primers or reading for a little bit here
(47:53):
so because we've got a lot of stuff there, review
and compare. So yeah, yes, that's it. So in the meantime,
if people want to get a hold of us, how
can they go about doing that?
Speaker 1 (48:06):
They can follow us on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram. We're
on all three of those platforms. You can email us
your feedback at sparkpodcast at gmail dot com. That's Spark
with a C. And you can check out everything show
wise on the network at Strandedpana dot com.
Speaker 2 (48:22):
And shows are what we like talking about here, which
is our Sparks podcast Buddies, which are some podcasts we
think you should check out because we like them, we
think they're cool, and they are Across the by Frost
and Mighty Thor. Oh, by the way, the links and
the names will be in our show notes, so you
don't have to write this down or you know right now,
it's not homework. So Across the by Frost, the Mighty
(48:45):
thor Dan and Ee and you have questions, commute the
podcast Sigabits, Mocktails of the Cantina. Rebel Forest Radio presents
The bob Ou Freaks, Jack Kirby, So Weird, So Fun,
and the Star Wars Yo Universe, which is hosted by
our James Yoda Hugh Hewings. Yes he is three. The
(49:06):
four of us love Geode for the most part, and
then Todd come around, has come around because it's just
gonna be like he's one apologize.
Speaker 1 (49:17):
Rockets a boulder. I still don't know what that's from.
What is that from? Even I only know that clip
from the Internet.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
I love. The we're saying is like geodlongly looks at
the mountain range. Is he looking like that's where he's from?
Or is it kind of like no, he's like hey,
like like hey, hey, mountain.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
So that's how I interpreted it. We'll talk about it
in September.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
Anyways. Okay, you got anything else before we derail ourselves
a little bit more today.
Speaker 1 (49:48):
No, I'm plenty derailed al right.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
So anyways until next week when we don't know what
we're doing right now, remember two things, text into each
other and never judge a book by.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
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the Hood and talk about Ironheart on Disney Plus after.
But first.
Speaker 2 (50:54):
You gotta start singing. You got to start singing this song.
I gotta find out Ryan goes as the one that
he was saying himself, because we haven't used that in
a while. I got to pull that one out. Anyways,
Hello the
Right now on Source Pages. It's time to go to
Brian's hometown, meet re Ray Williams, Dodge the Hood, and
talk about iron Heart on Disney Plus. But first it's
(00:31):
time for the podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Welcome Back by fellow high Tech Criminals. I'm Brian V. Klein,
I'm Male Hobbes, and I hope we're actually not high
tech criminals, but that just had to do with the show.
But anyway, this is Source Pages where we read comics
or books and watch TV shows for your geeky TV
shows and movies that are coming out as primers, continuations,
whatever you want to call it, it's what we do here.
And like Hayley said, this week, we are going to
(00:55):
review and compare the iron Heart series. Yeah, we're a
little bit behind because all of a sudden, we had
a not much happening and then all of a sudden,
bam bam, bam, bam bam all things, all the things
we would have done our Superman review in comparison. But
there's one problem. I can't do a review of it
because I had not seen the movie yet.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
It gives me time to maybe see it again, so
I think it's fortuitous.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
I was planning on doing it on Saturday because I
had a little bit of time after I got done
working before the showing of it, and and Liz and
the kids were taken. She took them out because she
needed to just get them out of the house to
oh No, she had a birthday party and they weren't
going to be back until about six. So I was
gonna go to the four thirty showing. So I'm working
on my new vehicle. I've got the stereo in the
(01:43):
vehicle playing while I'm working in it, not thinking that
it wasn't on the auxiliary mode. It was in that
little mode before you started, and I drained the battery
and so I had to wait, and I couldn't go
get a they've got. It's like a portable charge unit,
only about a hundred bucks and you could just cook
(02:03):
it up to your positive cable ground it starts up
your vehicle. Well, I had to spend one hundred bucks
to get a guy to come in and jump in,
and then by that time it was six to something
and I was just like, you know what, forget it.
So I'll probably end up seeing it this weekend, barring
you know, anything, doesn't change it. My work, I work
(02:25):
for the postal service, and it is not in a
global thing. Our unit, our town is just going through.
Some people are leaving the job for a multiple of reasons.
One person passed away she had cancer, and one person
quit because she I won't go into that, but yeah,
(02:47):
so I've been working a lot. The paychecks are nice,
and the thing is that it's sort of like, it's
not I've learned to be able to control how it
affects my body because sometimes it's like I wake up
in the morning and it's feels like I got ran
over by a steamroller. But I've gotten better. I drink
a lot of fluids and protein and stuff now and
(03:07):
it's just sort of like, oh, it's not too bad.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
So anyway, physical labor, yeah, it was.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
It's I love the job because once you're it's it's
the only job I've ever had where and I think
we probably talked about this. There is no downtime or
as we call it, f around time, because you get there,
you do what you need to do, You hit the road,
you do what you need to do, you get back,
You're done. There's no like waiting an hour for like
break time or this. It's just and if I get
(03:35):
done early, I still get paid to my certain amount
of time. If I roll over it, then nowadays I
get paid overtime, So yay boring. But that's just my
life now. So which is why I haven't been able
to do anything. I haven't even watched any of the
episodes for the second and the bonus episode of Sandman
yet because every time I go to sit there to
(03:56):
watch it, I fall asleep. I'm like three weeks behind
some of my animate shows I'm watching. I was doing
a Firefly rewatch and I'm stuck on episode eight because
by the time when I get done, you know me,
and we've talked to you, and I have personally talked
about this where I can go, go, go, go, go
four hours to sleep, I'm fine, but once I stop
(04:16):
and it's about five minutes in, my body is like, okay,
you're stopping now, Okay, turn it off, and it's just
like I'm out. I mean, I can't watch TV at
nine o'clock anymore because it's just I have to either
be up or even sometimes i'm sitting there with Liz,
she'll like elbow me or hit me. She's like, you're
I can hear you're like breathing heavy because you're falling
(04:38):
a seat.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
It's like, I'm sorry, so study breathing of a sleeper.
I was watching poker Face this weekend with Natasha Leone.
It's pretty all right, pretty.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
All right, she's in She's in Fantastic four. Right, Yes,
we discussed it, Okay. I'm trying to think. There's some
people that I get confused who they are. The voice, no,
I know, but that she has the look of a
couple other actresses I know, sort of like how you think, like.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
What does she look like?
Speaker 2 (05:07):
That's why I can't think of the names right now.
But you know the person that Sasha Baron Cohen was
married to.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
A redhead is.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Fisher, looks like like Isla Fisher looks like the one
that played Lewis Lane in the Old Superman. She was
on the Office Amy Amy Adams, Yea, they do. If
you look at this the spiral, Well, it's just that
there's certain actresses when you look at them, you go, oh.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
My god, any of those three women look like No.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
No, it was it was a I could have said
Zoeida Channel and Katie Perry, which people bring up and
it's like.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
I actually shy and dark hair.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
It's the bangs, you know, although there's that thing where
they show like Zoe Channel without the bangs or the glasses,
and they're like, this is why Superman can get away
with becoming Clark Kent because you look at you go,
oh my god, that's seyh. Now that's a new girl.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
And his perception classes.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yes, well, if that's something from the new movie, yeah,
but I.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Think that's in comics too, isn't it some of it?
He's sure, I've read. I think that.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
I think that always throws it off as a little
curly cue that falls down from his hair, which I
get a lot nowadays because of the I got my
hair shorter but the tops longer, but it falls down
and then it just does THEO.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
So, well, what do you talking about that next week?
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Maybe hopefully if we don't, then it's gonna be reviewing
comparison for probably sand me I I forget to do it,
or maybe even Dared Well, I think we might get chances.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
We're never doing that, Daredevil. Don't act like we're gonna
do that. That's gonna be the new thing. We're just
not doing that.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
It's gonna be like Matt Damon always getting like bumped
from Jimmie Kimmel or something.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Like that, like like why well, there's no reason happening.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
And then like in twenty two when he ate, we're
gonna be like a review in comparison for season one.
We've already done seasons two and three of darwd Delbow,
but here's season.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
One of the Netflix show. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
So anyways, iron hard iron. Besides that, though, I'm just
saying right now, as far as famous people go across
the world, listen to me, stop dying, jim. I know
it's a hard thing to do, but like Lennie Anderson
died yesterday, and for me as the seventies and eighties kid,
I mean, I love w Kerpian since Lennie Anderson. She
(07:32):
was married to Burt Reynolds. She was the star on
w KP in Cincinnati. She was in like Kennemall Run
and other stuff. If you saw her big blonde hair, poof,
she kinda has a certain seventies She looked a lot
like Dolly Parton as far as like the hair and
the facial features and stuff like that. But between I mean,
(07:52):
last week was tough with Ozzie and just Ryan Samberg
was the big one. I mean, he was my favorite
baseball player all the time, and then he I thought
something might have been up because he and here's the
funny part, not funny, but ironic. He was diagnosed the
same day as the person who I worked with, Lisa,
(08:12):
was diagnosed with cancer. And then they both died last Monday.
It's like, that's just the coincidence. Is just like Woo.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
And Ryan and all the people, everybody.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Everybody ri ip baby so but not ri I P
two iron hard.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
It's like, what did you think? I'm curious.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
I enjoyed it. I thought the first okay, the first
episode when Liz and I watched it, we watched it
the first night, just the first episode, and it didn't
It was interesting, but it wasn't just like, oh my god,
I want to watch the second episode right away. But
we it took us a couple of days to get
into it because it time wise. But then once we did,
we did two, and then we did three. And then
(09:00):
the next week when they dropped four or five and six,
we watched I think we watched four and five. We
watched four or five and six all like in a
row on a Saturday like that Saturday Night or something
like that. So I enjoyed it. I think they went
away with ree Rey Williams. I didn't think they were
(09:22):
going to. And at first it was kind of like,
is this really what they're gonna do with this character
because I've never seen her like this in any of
the comics. But then it ended up being there was
a reason for it, and it worked and I liked it.
And you know, the one thing beforehand I was spoiled
for was it was like the Day After Entertainment Weekly,
(09:44):
which I don't even subscribe to you on Facebook, there
was a pogorithm. Yeah, but it just says Sasha Baron
Cohen joins the MCU as a character, as a character
that there's been teased since the first w As soon
as they laid it all out, I'm like, son of
a bitch, he's Mephisto. So Mephisto. So I did like
(10:09):
the reveal though, where she was just like, am I
supposed to know who you are?
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Because they all thought it was going to be their
Mamu because of the didn't they wasn't it sort of
like in the comics too, where they thought it was
ther Mamu because of the the cloak and the resonance
or something. Yeah. Yeah, because when they did that flips
the flip to the upside down place, that was like
the magic place, and I was like, what the hell
is going on here?
Speaker 1 (10:32):
I loved that.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Yeah, that was cool. I'm like, there's so many characters
I think are going to be able to be used
going forward if Kevin Figy does it, you know, if
they're not one of those people that now, like Kevin
Figy said, oh, we might not see Charley's Thorne's character
anywhere in the future. We may not see this person's character.
Although I did see that say that. No, he said we.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
May or may not, right, he didn't see like do
you want to see.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Them specifically those characters. So now that they introduced because
I think another one was Hercules, it's like, we might
not be able to see him because he might not
fit into what we're doing. But I'm trying to think
of Yeah, so I did see that they're finally using
on set for the New Spider Man that Scorpion's going
(11:21):
to be in it, which they teased at the end
of Spider Man Homecoming. Oh yeah, same actor and everything.
So anyways, Yeah, I really dug Ironheart. So what did
you think, Hayley, I really.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Dug it too. I don't understand the flak. I really
really liked it. Anthony Ramos, I will just say up
at the top was the worst part. Like he just
there's something about the way he plays his character of
the Hood that I was like, I don't like this.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
He's not believable, I think as a too bad guy. Yeah, yeah,
he doesn't come across. Although I don't think he was
trying to be. It was a little bit more. I mean,
the I hate the side with their what they were doing,
the whole robin Hood aspect of it, so that the
(12:13):
victimless crimes, but the people that are getting you know,
he was basically blackmailing people, yeah, and basically just being like,
we're gonna put out of his payroll. But then they
kept just like up and I thought when he did
the thing where they were on the payroll for the
one dude and they're just like just stop there, right,
you didn't need to go any bigger. But they're just
you know, greed just keeps get going. And then you.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Know, I just don't think he's a very good actor.
Like I just don't. I mean, I won't go any further.
I just don't think he's very good act you know,
look at him and Twisters. Hamilton is one thing, because
that's different. But I just I just don't think he's great.
So anyway, ham aside, I thought the show was great.
(12:55):
I think that re Rai's motivations all made complete sense
to me. I saw a lot of people talk about
her decision making, and it's like, if you were a
young black woman from the South Side of Chicago who
has had to fight for everything she's ever had in
her life and has had these like tremendous losses, you
too would probably make these decisions because you're trying to
(13:16):
like do everything you can't provide and hold on to
what you have. And so I disagreed with people who
thought her decision making was bad. And I'm like, she's
also really young. I think she's only supposed to be
like nineteen. I mean she's young, right.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
She was in college when she was like in her
like fourteen figues right, because.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
She's genius, like Tony Stark level genius. So I just
disagreed with that discourse, and I thought it made sense,
and I think it's not like I can relate to that,
but I can understand it, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
But what was the catalyst on which, by the way,
it took me a good thirty seconds to go holy shit,
that's han solo oh longer than that, because I sat
there and I was like going like, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
But I was like I seemed so familiar.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Then it was just like I looked at Liz at
both at the same time, I'm like, do you know
who that is? And it both clicked, were like, what
was the what was the catalyst? Because she kept failing
when she was at school at MIT to do what
she needed to do with all this funding, but that
you went black market? Was it the black market tech
that that all the Aaron Rights character had that allowed
(14:29):
her to do it? And I T didn't have it.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
I don't think she failed, m I T. I think
she succeeded, but she caused too many problems on their
minds and she destroyed too many things.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
But wasn't Part of the side of that was that
they weren't getting the results they thought they should be
getting from her at that time. It's sort of like
the said, I think yes, the cost, the cost, yeah,
balance wasn't correct, I.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
See what you're saying. Yes, but I think I think
it was more like like her suit was working, but
she wasn't like being able to mass produce it. Basically,
I think was kind of the you know, you're not
making something we can now sell to make back all
this grant money we gave you or whatever. But wasn't
(15:14):
she getting the Tony Stark grant too? Yes, so yeah,
I think I think that was an excuse for them
just to kick her out. Though I don't think that
was a found because like people who do research don't
produce results for a really long time, Like that's not unusual,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
No, and also thinks I mean that was perfect casting
at the beginning for the professor. The dean that kicked
her out of there was Jim Rash, who was Dean
feulnt Non Community for the whole time. It's just like
there's certain people that when you see them, it's sort
of like, oh, that's this person is here in a
capacity of doing this because he was recently on a
(15:56):
couple episodes of Abbed Elementary as like a person from
the district who was overseeing some of the money they
had It's like he basically is every day should.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Play a college faculty member.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
He's supposed to be. Yeah, he's like a high up
education supervising person type yeah person. Although he'd also did
he won an Academy Award for Writing for Best Screenplay
for uh for Oh the Descendance Oh Cool? So yeah,
he won an Academy Award for that, like fifteen years ago.
(16:31):
It's like, oh my god, de felt good on you man.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
So but I love the whole melding of magic and technology.
I got very excited when they introduced Zelma because Zelma
is a big character and I think it's Jason Aaron's
doctor Strange Run and I was like, oh Zelma. I
was like, I know who that is. I was like,
I get that, understood that reference. And she was so
cute and funny, and I really loved that little actress
(16:55):
that played her. She was just perfectly cast. I thought,
I like, I just I liked all of the actors
except Anthony Ralmos, because I just thought they were all
seemed like they were having fun with it and it
made me have fun with it. And when they were
like poking fun at the things in the story that
we're silly that we're going, yeah, this is totally ridiculous.
You're wearing this cape and you're like blah blah blah.
(17:17):
Like I was like, that's funny, Like I get into
that kind of humor. So the Zeke Stayin stuff got
a little you know, rushed and convoluted there in the end,
and didn't love it, but it wasn't like a deal
breaker for me. And then I was so funny when
I was watching when Sasha Baron Cone comes out, I'm like,
I'd forgotten they cast him, and I was like, that
(17:39):
looks like Sasha Baron Is that Sasha Baron Cone. That's
not Sasha, Like my mind just couldn't come to grips
with that was him, right, And then he did such
a good job.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
I think cause he's he's he reminds me a lot
of early days of Gary Oldman, where they their chameleons
is at sometimes where you don't know it's them. Yeah. Actually,
piggybacking on what you were saying about actors you don't like,
I know exactly what the reason why. In the first
episode I was kind of questioning it. I am not
(18:15):
a fan of Eric Andre. He's the guy that played
rampage and luckily they killed them off right away. Yeah,
because it seemed like he was on I really liked
that Two Broke Girls show on ten years ago, and
then he came on like the third season and his
character destroyed it. And then he did something else on
another show and his character destroyed it for me. So
(18:35):
every time I see him, Plus I tried watching it
if he had his own show on Comedy Central or
it's called The Eric Henery Show, which was like the
weirdest like someone would beginning interviewed like a regular actor
and some guy would come and just like come and
stick their genitals in their face, like but naked. It
was like it was the weirdest thing. And I'm watching,
(18:58):
like Tim and me and Eric can do this, but
not that Eric. But it's it's but it's not weird.
It's weird, but it's interesting. This was just weird and like,
what is wrong with you?
Speaker 1 (19:09):
So I think once that once kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Right, he tried to be so as soon as I
saw him come on on the screen and I'm like,
hopefully this is the guy that gets killed that we
have to go to the place, and it was we
don't see much of him. Sorry if anyone likes out there.
Another thing that's kind of cool too is the actress
who played Zelma's mom, Madeline and Crese Summer. She's also
(19:39):
on Abbed Elementary and she was also on a Different
World all those years ago as one of the that
was like the Cosby Show offshoot that Bristin Time came
out of and Lisa Burnet and I'm like, I'm like,
oh my god, she looks pretty much the same as
she did, you.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Know, their little candy shop, magic shop. That's so funny.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
And the fact that they knew each other because she
was also friends with.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Because Mary's mom is into the Woo Wu stuff too,
which was fun, right. Yeah, it was just such a
fun way to put those two things together. And they're
the things that shouldn't go together, but they and really
they didn't by the end of it, like it didn't
work because it killed the Natalie AI and Ruy was like, no, no, no,
I want her back. I want her back. And so
(20:26):
did you think did you think that she a had
gone through with the deal with Mephisto And then did
you think until she hugged her that Natalie was still Ai?
Because I was totally gotten sold on it.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
That threw me off, and then it also was just
like y oh no, no.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Yeah shit. So it's kind of the one more day thing,
but it's just it's Ironheart instead of spiders, right.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
But I think it's also too because she should have
gauged people's reactions from Natalie's, you know, like her was it.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
But that's what I'm saying, like a nineteen year old
who just misses their best friend, who just feels very alone,
Like that's what you're gonna do. You're gonna be like, yeah,
I want her back, And she thought that she was ai.
I think she didn't know that he would bring her
back as a person.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Maybe he's doing this sort of like it's it's like
if if he continue on for another ten minutes, it's
sort of like, this is what you could have, and
she's just like, no, it's not worth the price that
it's going to cost, because I know that she has
She is very She does a lot of critical thinking
(21:38):
from the heart, which sometimes you can't do that because
you can't let emotions be involved. A lot of times
with critical thinking.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Well, she makes impulsive decisions from the heart.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Right, so she doesn't think about it, same thing with
like at first glance too, Storm's decision not to you know,
we can find a way around it. But if at
the end of the day, if it was like coalactives,
is nothing else you gotta do the one doubt wait
or what's a the needs of the many outweigh the
needs of the few type thing. Yes, that's what's gonna happen.
(22:09):
But another thing I thought of now is that fight
scene they had between re Re and all the different
members of the group afterwards, when they were fighting like
in the white Castle White Castle and stuff like that.
I think a lot of that was just it. That's
(22:30):
not how it would have played out unless the people
that were on the other side that were her former
teammates are sort of pulling their punches because I think
we would have gotten she should have gotten destroyed. She
should have gotten they should have Actually, it should have
been a lot sooner finished than it was. I know,
it's TV and stuff, and there's there's a certain amount
(22:50):
of you know, suspension of disbelief. But it's just like,
were they really that close that quickly that were able
to like to to I can't think of the names now,
but the two people that siblings. Yeah, where they were
just like they could have literally when she didn't have
the suit, like killed her in one punch.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
I mean, it does kind of seem like all of
them didn't really want to do.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
It, right, But Clown was sort of like really like Clown.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
I love Clown. She was so funny. But she's the
one who really has said check into Rampage's death, like
look into it because something's not up. And so I
think that's part of why she was. I mean, they
were going after each other, but I don't know. I
mean that she sees Zeke let her go and she's like, okay,
(23:41):
and then she confronts Uhod about it.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
So oh no, because John was already dead, which, by
the way, he was the character that was just like
he had no at any point during the show, because
even like Slug or Clown or any of those, I mean,
Slug was pretty much who was the Slug was the hacker, right, yeah,
he she was like they they were just like business,
(24:06):
that's it, you know. And then but then when but
not at.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
The sacrifice of the team, because all because that's the
thing is they're all the misfits, right, it's the island
of misfit toys and then once what's his name? Once
the parker turns on them, they're like, oh, nah, like
you brought us here under a different pretense, like we're
not here for this, Well.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Didn't they if? I'm like, they went after re Read
because they showed that she was the one responsible for
John's death at that hest, he told them, he told
them because miss Fisto showed him the yeah, the time
frame type stuff. So that's when they were all just
like okay, right, and then followed him because yeah, they
(24:49):
knew her, they knew him a lot longer, they had
had the kind of bond with re Read. But still
at that same time, it was sort of just like
some of the people's I would just say motivations at
the end was just like I guess we're just gonna
follow wherever it's gonna be most beneficialist to keep making
(25:10):
more money.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
And no, I mean at the end they walk away.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
No, I mean at the end when at the end,
before you know, when they realized what was going on,
they were just sort of like, okay, we're going to
follow up, well, yeah, after him. And then when they
finally did, it was just like they didn't ask, you know,
I don't know, I think never.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
I think they've never had cause to question him, you
know what I mean. It's like he's this charismatic leader,
and then once there was actual evidence of him doing
something against you know, whatever kind of code they've come
up with as a team, they were like, we're out.
And I mean he attacks slug like and he attacks
(25:51):
clown and that's when they're for sure like, nope, we're
not doing this.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I say, I think I found the character I hate
the most was Zeke's neighbor.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Oh. I love when he went over there and started snipping.
There were some really good editing moments in this show.
Like I mean, I'm not I know, I'm defending. I
just really liked it. I thought was fun and there
are some parts of it that are just not super great,
and I get that, but like, some of that editing
is very good and I'm gonna see him. That's Ryan
(26:24):
Coogler's touch on it since he was an executive producer.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Oh yeah, I think that whole scene too, because what
was funny was is that they did a very good
job of uh portraying Chicago the way it was. Because
the neighborhood that they were in. I don't know if
it was Highland Park or it was in north Shore.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
No, they were in.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Oh Norbrook.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
No, Oh, where she lives?
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Where? No? Where, I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Oh, if you say it, all know excactly what it is.
It's another town. It's a whole other town because she
has to take the train out there. And now I
can't remember. I want to say Valparaiso, and I know
that's in Indiana. That's absolutely.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Evanston. Evanston is an upper class That's where Northwestern University
is located, and it is very much filled with Okay,
right north of Evanston is Highland Park, and Highland Park
is where like Michael Jordan's thirty million dollar estate is.
You know, it's that's where it's it's called it's called
(27:43):
the North south Side. No, it's the north Shore, which
is called the Gold Coast, which is the reason why. Yeah,
and she's on the south So from the timeframe, I
remember a couple of times because they were talking about it.
If you jump on a train from the South Side
to Evanston is probably going to take you about forty
five minutes to an hour.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
If he drove it in no traffic on Lakeshore Drive,
it would probably take you forty five minutes to an
hour because it's.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Always everywhere it's for They were very good at the
fact that driving in the city at certain times, if
you're on the Dan Ryan, eisen or the Dan Ryan,
you're not going to move at all.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
But if you get on Lakeshore Drive or you get
on the Eisenhower to go into the suburbs, it can
move depending on the time of day. So but yeah,
it's if you're in the in the city there, you
take the Metra or the l and just go from there.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
So I love when she crashed lands and the one
lady is like you all right, you need a band
aid or something. It's just like, oh, I love that,
Like it just felt so good. I MVP is the
kid with the wagon. He was so funny.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Oh yeah, I love that kid.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
He hustle.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Yeah, because then he ended up when they turned the
old shop into like their new shop. He was like
hey and around there to like working on it, and
it was just.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Like everyone's like, hey, I got you coffees, like I
got you juice. I was like, this is like I
just love the little community she had come together. I
thought it was very believable, very nice. The drive bypart
was rough, like that was hard to watch, you know, that's.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Yeah, that's true. And also I got to give a
shout out to what was Danny's brother's name, Xavier. Yeah,
he his his character. I think I felt I empathized
with a lot because of especially when he saw the
(29:41):
AI That's what I was saying with the A I
T and He's just sort of like no, no, no
no no no no no, no, not okay, No, this
is not okay. I also thought it was kind of
a little I don't know what the backstory is, but
from what you just see him just on screen, their
romance might be a little like okay, because it's obviously
(30:02):
he's older and she was his younger sister's friend, and
I think there might be a pretty decent sized age gap.
I think that's a lot to overcome when it's just like,
I mean, can you just imagine knowing like if I
had a sister who was six years younger than me,
and then all of a sudden, once she beat the
sister became friends, became like old enough. It was just
(30:23):
sort of like, hey, what's going on?
Speaker 1 (30:24):
You know, I felt it's probably not as big of
an age gap as.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
You know, but it felt it felt to me a
little like that cringe well maybe cringey.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Yeah, Oh I didn't get I thought he was cool
and nice and respectful. And then yeah, he calls her out,
which I kind of hated it because it's like she
didn't mean to do that. I wasn't in her plan.
It just manifested that way. And then but then she
does a really poor job of explaining it, and Natalie
Ai was right like she should have told him, like
because her mom just accepted it. She was like, Okay,
(30:55):
I'm down, like I can do this. And I think
if she had talked to him instead of hiding it,
never hide things people, you know, might have gone down better.
But yeah, but now she has a real pickle because
now it's Natalie revived in some former fashion, which I
have to imagine it's gonna be Mephisto being like, well,
you didn't word it specifically, right, so what you get?
(31:19):
And too bad with your problems that are going to
come with the deal that you shook my hand on.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
So yeah, speaking about you know, just reveals the fact
that Zeke who was actually we learned at first as
they call them Joey McGillicuddy, which could have been just
Joe mcguffin. I mean serious, the mcguffin. But then when
he's just like, hey, what's when when they're in the house,
(31:45):
which I died laughing at this, So she's like, what's
in this? What's my bag?
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Bag full of rocks?
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Yeah, it's like, that's my dad. And then they put
two and two together and it finds out that his
dad is Obadi a Stain and he's actually elkil Stained.
Just like, oh my god, this is more. This is
a bigger connection to Iron Man than we thought it
was going to be. So this showed this show did
a very good I'm trying to think of the word
(32:23):
like because I don't know, by passing our expectations and
being just like, oh, that's another thing. I always remember
Parker Humboldt Park. That's where they're like hangout. Was that
place is supposed to be like not too far from where,
uh that right fest thing that I go to every year?
So yeah, so it is that?
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Is that Like they did some like on location stuff
in Chicago.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Yeah, there was a lot of stuff, I'm doing it
when they're especially because he was talking about I made
sure like when there was any kind of like time
frame or this, and that it was just like, Okay, okay,
I get that. Okay, yeah, that's right. I think they
do a little bit more homework into that, just because
of the fact that this was the first thing they've had.
It's not like, oh, it's not New York.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Well, and you want it to be right because people
in Chicago would be like, oh no, that's wrong, like
very quickly. So you don't want, you know, you don't
want them being like this is so stupid because they
didn't pay attention to this small detail that matters to
our city like that. And they had Chicago paraphernalia everywhere,
like the city flag, all the sports teams, all of
that stuff.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
I thought it was And the shot when I think
it was it was real when they were on the
lake and you could see where she is. The way
that that's set up with the city was that she
was on the south side. You could tell that because
of the museum district and in the city it the lake,
if the city is a certain distance from if you're
(33:47):
still in the water, and if you're looking at that
way and the lake is even or the city's even
further to the to the east, then you know you're
a little bit further north because the way that the
Lakes coast goes, after you get south of the city,
it cuts in a little bit and then it cuts back.
If you're on the north side, obviously it would be switched,
but you should be able to see different landmarks and
(34:08):
different things like we're navy peers, Like you could see
Navy Pier where it cuts out, and it would be like, Okay,
that's past the museum district where I mean obviously, when
you guys came, that was two years ago, wasn't it.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
I know, a Chicago was.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Three years ago. So when we were at the museum,
there was south That's where it was, south of where
we were at that when we went to the museum district,
Like my soldier field that over there.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
So times in Chicago. I got engaged in Chicago.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
I got That's why I thought was funny when you
guys came to visit us, and I was just like,
I'm doing all the stuff I've never done because I
live here and I don't want to go see the
bean and I don't want to go to the top
of a serious tower. I don't want to do I'm
doing all the touristy stuff, you know, except for you know,
the river. The architectural cruise up and down Chicago River
was really cool.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
It's so cool. Yeah, I could do that every time
go there, because you like, you would get different. Ay,
I go visit Chicago. Great.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Yeah, it's state north of Yeah, say north for like
fifty five. Though, don't go. Don't try to look for
like Reeby Williams. I mean, unless you have family or
something there. It's not always been, but there there's a
reason why certain people, like I'm in Chicago, go too
far south. Check out fucking Fountain and Grant Park, which
is in the mains area.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
But I think in October it's a great time to go.
Avoid the marathon though.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Oh yeah, the marathon.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Or we were there when the marathon is going on,
and we ended up walking like three miles up like
short drive because we couldn't get around because everything was
quartered off. It was so funny. We spent a lot
of time on short Drive.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Although when you get yeah, when you guys, when you
guys came, when you guys came to visit. It was
at the end of July when it was see in
the nineties and hundreds. We did a lot of walking
from the trains to do this, and it was just like, well, hey.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
That's what you do when you travel with Nathan Lee Hobbs.
We walk. No, it's it's a great city. I love Chicago.
I loved that the show was there.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Because, yeah, it gets it a little bit different, you know,
just it's a big city and it has I mean,
that's where the character was based off of in comics anyway,
so may as well keep it to the roots. And
speaking of comics, the we did there was quite a
bit of especially like not like the motivations and like, uh,
(36:34):
the John wasn't quite a as big.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Of a he was, yeah, more like a savior.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Yeah yeah, and in the shruff that like.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
His dad just tossed him out like that. He's like,
I didn't want you, and I was like, damn, that's
that's not like that's mean. So, I mean, you get
why Parker was being the way he was being.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
But yeah, at least in the comic, Jo knew and
was sort of like he was trying his best to
you know, you know, his main thing was that he
was an alcoholic and he was relapsing a lot. But
he knew Parker's secret, and in the show, I mean
it wasn't he knew the secret and he was family
(37:18):
and confidant and stuff like that, but I don't think
he had It didn't seem to me. I just don't.
I didn't like John's character. The acting was fine. When
you don't like a character, it's nothing against it. I
think he fit perfectly, but he had no root to me, hit,
no redeeming qualities whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Well, when he's alive, it's kind of like they're good cop,
bad cop, and John's the bad cop, and then once
he's gone, it's like, actually, Parker's probably the bad cop.
He's just been hiding behind John kind of as his
enforcer or whatever. He's been as lacky sort of. I'm
sure he's the one who went to kill rampage and stuff,
and it's just like, oh, actually, you're the one that
sucks more. Although but dude, John getting left behind and
(38:00):
suffocating to death also sucks.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Yeah. I kind of felt bad for him, and that
was the thing, though there was it was re res
you know, the motivations involvement in his death was a
lot more. I mean there was a bit of a
that she has to do it to cover her own bud.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
She's like barely a both. I mean it's the suit.
It's Natalie that like gets her out of there. But
she yeah, yeah, she's super complicit his death, which that's
something I don't think she's come to terms with. And no,
if they keep her character going like I hope they do,
like they that's going to be something I think haunts her, Like.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
That could be something that Mephisto uses as like just
he keeps pushing that you know that button being just
like you know you were involved in John wouldn't have
been killed if it wasn't for you.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
I love that he like slipped in and out of
his British accent when he was trying to entice them,
he was speaking in an American accent. Then when he
was like, what do you want, like I'm busy, he's
speaking in his regular accents. Go Sasha Baron Cohen. I
didn't have that on my Bengo card for being like
you're attractive this year. But you know what, he did
a good job. I'm into it. He did.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
He was He was excellent in it, although there was
a lot of things too where she was just like
to u Zeke, don't worry, don't worry, I'm not gonna hit.
I'm not gonna I need to use this. I'm not
gonna you're you're safe, you're safe. No one's gonna know
what's you. No one's gonna know what to you. And
then that was just like, oh my god, she's gonna
leave it there. And then that's how he gets arrested,
and and then he gets broken out of prison, and
(39:39):
you know, it's just like now he's a fugitive.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Yeah, and was a bit of a mess in this show.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Yeah, so now it's sort.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Of like al she's got her shit together.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
They're like it's gonna have to be like because wasn't
there a was there a mid credit scene with.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Zelma Parker comes into the camp.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
Parker comes into the shop to learn about like.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
You can help with magic, and she's like okay.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Yeah, like who are you don't be charmed by him, girl, No,
I'm smarter than that. Like re recomes in to like
say something or like getting out and sees them like,
oh crap. It's just like, oh, you know, each other
like yeah, we're enemies.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
Yeah, so everybody made you know, Marvel's been doing this more.
I've said it before, like they're keeping the villains and
they're not just you knowing them off and stuff like that,
like people used to complain about. It just leaves all
these loose threads, kind of like you were talking about
with the Kevin Fike thing. But I I want to
see more of this. I really really really enjoyed Iron Heart. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
And like you said with that though, is he's going
to try to keep the shows more street level and
the movies more you know, event level. So and then
they come pulling in and I'm trying to figure out
how we can get some It just seems like the
people and they could do it too, like with We're
by Night and Moonnight and some of those creature type
(40:59):
things are like that that fits in. I think with
they could they could fit into this show now even
with uh man not swamp thing, man thing, man things marble. Yeah, No,
swamp thing is no man thing is man thing. Swamp
thing is DC man thing. It is because it all
has that type of it all has it connects to
(41:20):
each other through Doctor Strange type stuff and you know, Yeah,
Mephisto and gods and magic and this. They could do
a show, because I think did they.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Well, we could do great Likes Avengers. I mean, we
haven't gone down that road, but like, I don't know,
you could get re Rea and I don't know.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
Great Lakes. Avengers was always to be like a joke
because it's it's like a Midwest thing, like whatever happens in.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
The Midwest nothing so anyways, and that's how we like it.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
So yeah, go ahead and go read the comic run
was good. It gives you a little bit more of
a better perspective of at that time too, Parker's Gang
was a lot more known and out there and Bigger.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
Hooked well that was very dark ray and so Norman Osborne,
I wonder if we see some of this pop up
in Spider Man Brand New Day Mephisto.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Maybe maybe Mephisto not directly here, because with it being
in Chicago, you know, it's just like, oh you can't,
you know, how are they gonna get there?
Speaker 1 (42:32):
So well, and her future is like super open right
now because she's just in Chicago doing whatever with her
real dead best friend. Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
That's the thing too. Is like, when we see these
guys again, we're gonna have to get like the Mephisto
of it all taken care of, because they can't just
leave it at that and be like, Okay, well, next
time you see it, it's it's taken care of in
some comic like no, don't do that, and it's separate.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
We Nathan and I saw Fantastic for uh this weekend
because he hadn't seen it yet, and I was like, well,
that was your last and see a movie till Spider
Man next year. And he was like what. I was like, yeah,
He was like, what are you talking about. I was like,
That's what I'm telling you is the truth. And so
I understand them saying like the shows will not have
(43:26):
to directly influence the movies and stuff like that, and
that's fine. I'm fine with that. I just wonder how
are they going to get some of this stuff put
together a little more better, a little more better, a.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
Little more yeah, a little more. I trust Figy, and.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
We don't know what's coming out past freaking wonder Man.
He's he's a wonder Man's coming out this year. So
I take back everything I.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
Think isn't Daredevil's Season two being filmed. Isn't it supposed
to come out? Is that next year or twenty seven?
Speaker 1 (43:57):
I don't know, So there's a lot of anyways, what
are we can right cover? We need a road map, Kevin.
Otherwise we're gonna end up reading the nineteen eighty Secret
Wars and nobody what's that?
Speaker 2 (44:12):
It's actually it's actually pretty. It's a lot but campier
and it deals with a lot more stuff. That's probably
unless they go with the Beyonder as far as.
Speaker 1 (44:19):
Like, oh my god, the Beyonder, the the blonde guy
in his khaki suit. You know what, maybe we should
read it just for fun.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
Well, they'll give us some time too, because it's been
a while since we've had our Secret Wars.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
Yeah, we haven't hit it in a while.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
When was the last we did Secret Wars? Was the
last one was in Rome? April fourteenth? Yeah, I guess
see when you're on the.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
Same thing as yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
Yeah, So anyways, all right, next week we're gonna if
it's not Superman, it may be it's gonna be some
kind of man, either Superman or Sandman or Daredevil Man.
Stop at Ocean Man. We do have a little announcement
(45:08):
for the The Sacred Jedi Texts is that our next
episode will not be covering Fatal Alliance, which is the
next in the like Darth series from the Old Republic,
but we are going to be doing a High Republic
Phase three and like just overall recap of everything that
(45:30):
went down in the High Republic.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
Could be a long episode. Yeah, we also do that
is already planning his ode to Geode.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
Everybody the Geode. If anyone doesn't know, just look up
Geo Republic. It's a.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
Character Todd. He's a rock.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
He's a rock, and he he made a last stand
at his you know, should be put into the Jedi
Temple arch of history. So yeah, he did every I mean,
he basically was a savior for the High Republic series
as far as the storyline goes, because it was like
a sacrifice. Okay, I won't say anything more. Although that
that thing is it's months old and most people reading
(46:17):
it or it might be listening to us anyway.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
So that's going to be on September.
Speaker 2 (46:23):
September, but we might be doing like we could do
a Isowakanda review because it drops today.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
No a drop last Friday. Did they moved it up.
Speaker 2 (46:34):
Oh my god, that's right for Monday. For some reason,
I'm thinking it's like the middle of the week.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
Ready, well, this week's I mean that'd be okay, let's
get this show on the road.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
It's only like four hour or four half hour episodes.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
Yeah, so I buzzed through it pretty fast. What did
you think about Fall Asleep during the second episode.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
I've heard some people complain about the animation.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
I don't love it, but it wasn't It wasn't super
distracting for me.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
It was finne is this Is it a lot like
the What If? Animation?
Speaker 1 (47:07):
No, it's nothing like that. It may may think more
of DreamWorks animation style, like The Prince of Egypt. Then
it's like, because it's twenty twenty five, it's very in
your face if that makes sense. Okay, it's fine, it's fine.
Speaker 2 (47:28):
It's fine.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
Okay, it's not my favorite, so I hope that it's fine.
Speaker 2 (47:32):
Actually, so it'll be like a our upcoming next month
of shows might just be like put on shuffle mode.
We have no idea what it's going to be, but
we'll let you know beforehand if we can. So, yeah,
you know, there's no homework for anyone. Karen likes having
the homework like laid out. We're not going to be
doing any primers or reading for a little bit here
(47:53):
so because we've got a lot of stuff there, review
and compare. So yeah, yes, that's it. So in the meantime,
if people want to get a hold of us, how
can they go about doing that?
Speaker 1 (48:06):
They can follow us on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram. We're
on all three of those platforms. You can email us
your feedback at sparkpodcast at gmail dot com. That's Spark
with a C. And you can check out everything show
wise on the network at Strandedpana dot com.
Speaker 2 (48:22):
And shows are what we like talking about here, which
is our Sparks podcast Buddies, which are some podcasts we
think you should check out because we like them, we
think they're cool, and they are Across the by Frost
and Mighty Thor. Oh, by the way, the links and
the names will be in our show notes, so you
don't have to write this down or you know right now,
it's not homework. So Across the by Frost, the Mighty
(48:45):
thor Dan and Ee and you have questions, commute the
podcast Sigabits, Mocktails of the Cantina. Rebel Forest Radio presents
The bob Ou Freaks, Jack Kirby, So Weird, So Fun,
and the Star Wars Yo Universe, which is hosted by
our James Yoda Hugh Hewings. Yes he is three. The
(49:06):
four of us love Geode for the most part, and
then Todd come around, has come around because it's just
gonna be like he's one apologize.
Speaker 1 (49:17):
Rockets a boulder. I still don't know what that's from.
What is that from? Even I only know that clip
from the Internet.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
I love. The we're saying is like geodlongly looks at
the mountain range. Is he looking like that's where he's from?
Or is it kind of like no, he's like hey,
like like hey, hey, mountain.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
So that's how I interpreted it. We'll talk about it
in September.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
Anyways. Okay, you got anything else before we derail ourselves
a little bit more today.
Speaker 1 (49:48):
No, I'm plenty derailed al right.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
So anyways until next week when we don't know what
we're doing right now, remember two things, text into each
other and never judge a book by.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
Love you three hundred. Thank you for listening to Source
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(50:43):
the Hood and talk about Ironheart on Disney Plus after.
But first.
Speaker 2 (50:54):
You gotta start singing. You got to start singing this song.
I gotta find out Ryan goes as the one that
he was saying himself, because we haven't used that in
a while. I got to pull that one out. Anyways,
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