August 19, 2025 • 48 mins
The Endless has seemingly come to an end. Hayley and Brian have watched the 2nd, and final, season of The Sandman on Netflix, and are here to review it and to compare it to the comics/ Audio Drama, Seasons of Mists, that were used in the primer. Can Dream and his siblings ever all gather together for the sake of humanity? What does Lucifer have planned for Dream? Only Destiny knows....
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Right now on Source Pages, we're joining the Endless family
and talking about everything that happened in The Sandman season
two plus part of the comics and graphic novel that
we read to prepare for it. But first, after these messages,
we'll be right back. It's time for the podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Welcome back, my fellow kindly ones. I'm Brian VI Klein
and I'm Hanley Hops And this is Source Pages where
we read and watch and just do all things geeky
as primers and all that good stuff for TV shows
and movies that are coming out and out already, or
just what we do here lately.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Whatever we want. I love when it's a episode and
that's somebody's first one potentially, And what do we do here?
Whatever we want?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Yeah, pretty much lately it's just been a lot of
catchup of we are going to review stuff that we
had primaries for because everything it was just this summer
more than anything. And again we have our Jimmy Kimmel
Matt Damon situation here with the Dareduble Board again reviewing comparison,
(01:26):
which is sort of.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Like the what is the Jimmy Kimmel Matt Damon.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Well, he always he always jokes about how he's gonna
have him on and then he pushes him and keeps
pushing him. And that's why if you've ever seen like
Matt Damon show up on Jimmy Kimmel's hosting like the Oscars,
there's always like this like playful disdain between the two
of them.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
That's funny, but it's.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
It's a bit they do. And so for us talking
about the fact that a show that ended, I mean,
when did it end end? Airing in March or April
and we're still talking to me having.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Yeah, a new lost episode like the one did.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
It's like we haven't even recorded anything on it, but
it's sort of just like we haven't had time to
do it. But it's anyways, so likely this one was
a little more you know, time appropriate, I guess, because
it just dropped the last episode recently.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
And yeah, yeah, that was it.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
So trying to think there was a couple of things
that popped up in the.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
News that Marvel Zombies got pushed up. Yes, we're gonna
read a one shot for that. It'll be fun. Yeah,
it will have nothing to do with the show.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
And if you want to do any kind of primers
on your own watch the episode from season one of
Was there only the one episode from season one of
Marvel Zombies or season two?
Speaker 1 (02:53):
It was a whole thing, wasn't it? It was multiple episodes,
was it was?
Speaker 2 (02:59):
It was like, oh no, it was what if?
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Right?
Speaker 2 (03:02):
But if? Yeah? Oh yeah, that's what I'm trying to think.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
It's like this several years.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
There wasn't actually a one episode I believe so, yeah,
because it was the one where uh, you know they
took the thing from the.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
I just remember scot Lang's head in a jar.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yeah, and if they were used, they were using someone's
body as like uh like food.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
It was Scarlett witch or it was one of the
things eating people for sure. Oh there was it, T'Challa.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
It was one of the it was one of the
who it was in the comics. I think, yeah, I
have to watch the episode again beforehand.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
So and uh yeah, Marvel Zombies. What else? What else happened?
I started watching Peacemaker.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
The first season. Yeah, you don't seem very Uh.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
It's fine, listen, I'm not gonna go all out, but
like I need people to stop over hyping things.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
No, I mean I thought it was I mean, first off,
it has and I'll still stand by it because I
think they're changing it for this the second season. That
opening sequence.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
I didn't like.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Okay, you didn't like the opening sequence with I Know
a whole. Oh my god, it's all of them dancing
in line like it's a whole and then like some
random eighties song. You know. I just loved this.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
I was like, everybody said this was amazing, and it's like, fine.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
You gotta realize that Haley hates on a lot of
stuff that people rather enjoy, so just.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
People over hype things and it's like, Okay, let's not
act like this is the gift to television that everybody's
saying it is. I was fine, it's entertaining. John Cena
is really good in it, but like, let's just all
calm down.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Have you watched any Stranger Things?
Speaker 1 (04:47):
No? And at this point I refuse to.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
I think I think that would be a show that
by the time you got around to watching it, you'll
be like, it wasn't that good, even though.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
I I mean I literally read all of the episode,
it's not because I was like do I want to
watch this? And then at the end I was like, no,
I do not.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Okay, see there we go. There's a certain like niche
of stuff that would just I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
I'm trying to take you out of it, branch out,
but then I just get disappointed. Peacemaker is fine, it's fine.
I'm trying to watch it because if we want to
do something with it, I'm on like episode six, so
you know, I can play it in the background and
do other things and that's nice.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Yeah, it doesn't happen. I mean, I think this season
is gonna be a little bit more connected. I guess
because if you watch the trailer, what's gonna happen? I mean,
don't watch watch the trailer, Okay, then don't because it
sort of gives away a little bit about I mean
because obviously when you're this point in the season, uh,
they already have a clear cut like.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
I like Daniel Brooks on it. I was hoping that
they're doing a lunch in between the shows, and that's
not on the DC app I looked yesterday. But there's
another one shot that we could read if we wanted
to read something.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
The only problem I had with season one is that
when my older brother and I in the eighties were
reading comics really heavily, there was two characters that we loved,
one from d C and one from Marvel that sort
of had the same pretty much backstore, you know how
there's like swamp Thing and man Thing and Acaman and anymore.
(06:29):
While the DC and Marvels two were Punisher and Vigilante
on screen, they could not be any but the polar opposis,
because the Vigilante in Peacemaker is not like Frank Castle,
and he's not like the comic books. He's like, he
means well, but he's a he's a buffoon.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Pretty but he's probably my favorite character at this point.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Oh yeah, he's great. But that took me to the
hardest the law this to get over. The fact is like, Okay,
this is not like how I remember him from the comics.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
But it's fine that we're we could save this for
another week, but we're gonna talk about it now. Well,
we wait for the weather baths so.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
We can We've got no. This is fine because right
now I'm under uh we're hoping that it's not going
to happen here, but I'm under like right now a
severe thunderstorm warning an extra.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
He looks like something I should know. I just can't
place him.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Oh, Oh, the one that plays the.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Place Peacemaker's dad.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
What's his name, Oh, Richard Patrick, Robert Patrick, Robert his dad, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
He was Baker does eagerly. Okay, I've bought in a
little more now.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
The guy that plays his dad he famous for Huh.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
It's not Michael Ricord, somebody else. Oh, Robert Patrick.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
I see Robert Patrick. He came. His first major role
was T two thousand and the terminator, Terminator too.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
He plays the cop.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Yeah, and then he's in a whole bunch of things.
And then he was in a bunch of those like
procedural CBS crime things.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
He looks like that other guy. Mm hmmm, I can't do.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
It, just like I thought up until I looked at
the guy that played Paw Paul Kent was the guy
from Tanis D. But it's the one dude that looks
exactly like Kyle.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Thousand men who looked like that in this country, right.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
But it was like to the point where I'm like,
I can't tell the difference. So anyways, Okay, so that's
peacemaker talk. And I don't know if you could pick
up on that thiss Like my house is rumbling right
now from thunder The Thunderbolts are come in.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Releases on Disney Plus like next week.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
I think, right, yes, yeah, and we can also probably
do something with because you know, there's so much stuff
that dropped or it's going to drop. ISAAA Conda's out,
which I have to watch it. We have we list
in eyes TV. Watching together time is so narrow sometimes
(09:24):
because it all depends on I've got to get up
at like five point forty five for work, so I
try to get to sleep by ten at the latest.
She's got to put the kids to bed, so when
if she comes down at like nine to twenty, we
can't watch one of our hour shows which we liked watching.
We've watched the first two episodes of this season of Wednesday.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
So far, and it's just that's another one I don't
care about.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Yeah, it's no, it's it's really enjoyable. I had to
actually joke and say, I wish he would have brought
Catherine Sander Jones back for the second season because she's
had She looks so much different than the first season,
like between weight loss and plastic surgery and whatever, like,
it doesn't even look like it's the same person. But
(10:11):
we did find a bunch of shows that we started
watching on Apple because it seems like everything on it
comes out on Apple got nominated for every kind of
like Best Comedy or Best Drama. The Studio, which is
video we got. We're three episodes in, so the last
(10:33):
episode we WoT with every episode.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
I cannot wait for you guys to watch the one
episode that is honestly one of the funniest things I've
watched in a very long time.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Well, we thought, first off, the episode two, which was
the one take episode of the one Take in the
movie Yeah, was some of the most nerve wracking comedy
I've ever seen. I loved, and then the Ron Howard
thing with the second movie with the me Mackie being like,
what the hell he's over?
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Oh my god, it's so funny. Now you'll know, you'll
know exactly which episode I'm talking about, and it's I
was in stitches. I wasn't stitches, So.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
We started watching that. We also started watching Uh Slow Horses,
which is on Apple plus Nathan watches that we didn't
realize it's like five seasons in because it's the British
show and I love Gary Oldman and it's sort of like, uh,
we had to go back. Have you have you watched
any of it yet?
Speaker 1 (11:32):
I don't think I'm gonna check that one.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Oh well, the whole premise of what happened with it
was is that some guy messed up. It's an I
five thing, and it was a training scenario that got
like three hundred people killed in the training scenario, not
in real life. And so after we watch it, we're like,
who was right between the two of them? And then
we watch it at the beginning, we're like, oh my god.
The main character who gets demoted to this team that's
(11:54):
run by Gary Oldman, who's sort of like the it's
sort of like the the Suicide Squad where it's all
the people that they want to keep employed they have to,
but they're not giving him anything special because they messed up.
It wasn't his fault, it was the other dude's fault,
who's still in a top position. Well, he got demoted
a little bit too, But it's one of those dramas
that has a lot of funny moments in it too.
(12:15):
So but then again, we have no time to watch it,
so we've just been watching like.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
That's the nice thing about the studio is like twenty
five minutes long.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Well the one we're like, okay, well we got like
twenty minutes. We went to look at the Ron Howard
one and that episode was like thirty nine minutes long.
Then the rest of them are all like shorter, so
plus what like eight episodes in it?
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
But Seth Rogan does play one of the most inept
studio heads because his whole thing is like he wants
all the talent that he grew up admiring to keep
admiring him, even though he's like their boss now so.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
And he's like, I want to be an R tour
and they're like, yeah, make this kool Aid movie.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
A kool Aid movie.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Oh god, it just wait, oh god, it's so funny.
I'm gonna rewatch it.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
That whole scene at the end of the first episode
of where at Charlie's Theon's party and Steve Bushemi's like,
this is so great. They do Greenland this first Scorsese's
last movie ever, and you see him in the background
and he's weeping and everything, and Seth Broken's character is
freaking out going what did I just do? Like I
literally just killed like.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
An American institution I mean, everybody's made really stupid mistakes
at work before, and you know exactly how he felt.
You're like, I've been there, I've done something stupid.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Like that, like Park has car in the driveway when
at the end of the one shot where I'm like,
that's going to come back to butt, and it did.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
When they drive away and he's like, they're gonna get it.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Yeah, yeah, they didn't get it, and then son of
up and then that's the end of the episode. And
it was like, Okay, breathe.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
I love the studio, it's okay, so okay about it.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
What's our episode about today?
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Oh? The season two one of your favorite things ever?
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Well, the first part of it was. But then I
went a look and they literally, I mean they had
to have they This show did a lot of what
do you call it when damage control? That's what it was.
Because that second group of episodes, while it was I
(14:19):
liked it overall, there's a couple of nitpicks I have
and some other things, but they literally cut out like
one hundred up issues of the comics. They went they
had to write, well, yeah, because they were like, our
whole plan.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Had two seasons now.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Right, But that's the whole thing was like, that was
our plan. It's like, no, it wasn't, because you literally
the seasons of mysts is the continuation. It's like issues
that we read in the twenties and this thing went yeah,
and he.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Came out was like no, this is how we always
had it written. And it's like sure, no, because it.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Literally went from that to Okay, now we've got to
find a way to end this. So yeah, okay, before
I go in for what did I mean overall? What
did you think of the second season?
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Overall? I liked it a lot better than the first one.
I thought the storytelling was done better, and I I
just it was less cut up. I mean, I know
it cuts up the story in general from the source material,
but season one I remember feeling like we jump around
a ton just because we're on this journey with Dream
(15:24):
and he's got to get his stuff back and he's
got to reclaim his kingdom. I remember that season feeling
very herky jerky. This felt more seamless overall, and I
will say it felt at the end you feel a
little bit like you have whiplash because you're like, oh,
the endless are so you know, dark and broody and
for voting, and then at the end they're like, hey,
(15:46):
new family member, you know, and it's like, okay, I
guess they just didn't like Dream or something. I don't know,
you know, I mean, but overall I liked a lot better.
I thought it had some beautiful imagery and it was
it was fun.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
I enjoyed it well too, the cutting up of the
whole dinner party thing and making it a little less
as important. I guess in the comics I think we
talked about this another two hundredth Episode two is my
(16:22):
biggest gripe is the way that the transfer to the
angels and the basis of why it was happening was
presented on the show.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
I still won't get over it, because if you know,
in the comics, the angels were there, the two Guardians
I can't remember what their names are, were there to
talk to Dream and they're like, God doesn't want it
to go to anyone. It has to stay for its purpose.
And then God told Dream you have to give it
(16:55):
to these angels and they're going to be in charge
of Hell now. And they were not happy. They were like,
we can't go back to the Golden City. We are
condemned now to be in charge of Hell, in which
they turned it into more of a rehab. They turned
it more into like a rehab facility and then a prison,
(17:16):
which was sort of like what Lucifer was doing right.
But in the TV show, Dream comes up with it
and the angels were like, okay, boom, It's like they
cut out that whole, you know. They were every the
people that were Dreams decision and the angels taking it
(17:37):
were it was out of their hands because God was
just like, this is how you want to do it.
So it made it's like Dream being a little bit
more omnipotent or not omnipotent, but he had more of
the power to be like because the angels could have
been like, what, you can't take us away from God,
you know, the rule and Hell. And then after that
it was just like it's over. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
They gloss over the ending of that episode. Even the
fight with ozaz All it's like, oh, this is gonna
be cool on Epic and it takes like six seconds.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Yeah, and he's just like, don't forget. You're still in
my realm and you have no.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Power and we get no resolution on Nata, which I
thought was a weird choice when it didn't need to
be that way.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Right because in the in the in the comics, they
pretty much just was like, Okay, you're gonna be reincarnated.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Well, he gives her choices, He's like, what do you want?
She's like, I wanted to I want a new life.
I want a life that you didn't steal from me,
which gives her a lot of agency. And in this one,
it's just like she becomes this specter like hunting him,
and I understand why they were doing that for his story,
but I thought it was kind of unfair to hers.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Yeah, because it was also sort of making him when
Delirium comes after like the next storyline with them going
to find Destruction dreams motivations now were like not to
help and find his brother. It was sort of been like,
go see if I can find Natas Hill. Where Yeah,
(19:04):
it was like that was not the table because she
was gone.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
And the Destruction stuff is also could have been cool.
And I loved him and Delirium going on their little
journey together, but where did Discruction go? Where did Distruction go?
Like he poofs into the sky and then he comes
back and he like leaves his dog because he's like,
you can't come with me, and then he comes back
and he's like, oh hey dog, and I'm like, wait
(19:29):
a minute, right, this is irresponsible pet ownership first of all,
which I'm not here for, but that's true.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
But it's also a talking dog too, so it's sort
of like the dog's got a little bit more sentience
than just like your typical no.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
But he didn't want destruction to leave him and it
was sad.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
But how funny was it though, was that that whole
point was, you know, with him trying to the whole
circle of it was that in order for him to
find it, he had to find another seer with to
his Orpheus, his son, but at that point was just
the head because of you can't die right, and then
his you know, him giving Morpheus the location of destruction
(20:12):
that the payment was is that you have to kill me,
which then ends up having getting dream his final blood.
But the destruction was like on the island next to
where Orpheus was. The whole time he was like, they
were just like right, you can just yell loud, and
he had been like, oh.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Crap, period is well because everybody wanted to see Orpheus
except Morpheus right anyway.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
And then all of a sudden you go there in
Destruction was sort of just like, I don't know, I
guess the I always try to link what because obviously
all of the the endless are personifications of human you know,
experience things that start with D because they all start
(20:57):
with D because delirium used to be what the and
now she's delirium And then you've got not depression but despair,
despair but destruction going away meant to me more like
is that in the human terms, is that we still
have wars in the same sense, but we don't have
(21:19):
like before we became more civilized in the last one
hundred and fifty two hundred years, is we were having
wars all the time there was the whole planet was
at war with each other, and it seems to have dissipated.
So Destruction was like, I'm not needing anymore.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Well, his whole thing was they're going to do it
to each other anyway, like because they had developed the
atom bomb, right, and so he's like, I guess I
don't need to be here, like they don't need me.
They've created their own end essentially, which was dark right,
(21:54):
I know, And that's.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
A lot of the the stuff I loved I think
this season more than the first season is they toned
down the It's not like gratuitous violence, but sort of
like even though if you've like read the twenty four
hour Diner from the first season, the comics compared.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
To the visual which I like sometime, but.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
They could have made the episode of the TV show
a lot worse. It was not as graphic as they hear.
So with this being said, is that I don't have
a lot to compare to is because once they did
the season, the miss and then the whole search for
destruction thing, I'm sort of just like was especially in
that second grouping, was like I have no idea what
(22:44):
any of this stuff is with him with the you know,
trying to save himself and going to see mom and
going like they never mentioned before, like but his his
dad is their dad is time and their mom is space. Night. Yeah, night,
And I thought, yeah, because that there's nothing to I
(23:04):
think that's the one thing that sometimes when there's adaptations,
and we talked about it too, is like still my
biggest gripe on doing part two is that they changed
the the ending on the motivations her, motivating her whole.
They made her seem like a weaker character than she
needed to be. And so again, don't judge a book
(23:27):
by its movie. It has to do with that your
source material. If it doesn't, hopefully, it's obviously sam And
there's no way to be able to change anything because
it's done, and I don't think they're going to do
And this is what we got here. It does seem
like it's very truncated, but it doesn't seem like it's
(23:48):
missing anything because it worked together.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Now, I'm sure as time goes on and things happen
and lawsuits are settled and whatever, I'm sure this will
get adopted again. It might be fifteen or twenty years,
but I bet it.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Happens in somewhere or another.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
He wouldn't help themselves.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
The only thing I can't. And I don't know if
it was just me because I was watching it on
like a four K TV, but there was a lot
of times where, like the Dream Morpheus, his skin looked
really weird, like it was very porous and very like
I don't know, if the makeup just didn't look well
on it.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
They him from head to toe This season like he was.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Like maybe he was too tanned and they had it like,
but man does not have a tan.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
He's like me, there's no tan on that body.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
They needed him. They needed to make him like snow,
like stark white. They sed it, but it made his
skin and high death look really weird to him watching it, going,
that just looks like it in my it look better
if it's on like a like a regular ten ADP
or something, but in four K it looked I watched a.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Lot about my iPad, so I actually.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
I didn't notice. Okay, I don't know what because I.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Was in bed. Did you like going downstairs with the TV?
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Did you watch Game of Thrones?
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Nope, I watched five. I watched four and a third episodes.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Okay, because I couldn't. I had to sit there when Daniel, yes,
when he became when he when? When? Okay? So obviously
there's when Morpheus is, when Morpheus dies and Daniel becomes
the New Dream And I'm looking at this sky going
(25:51):
why does he look so damn familiar? And then all
of a sudden, I go, oh my god, that was
Sandworm from Game of Thrones. He was like a eunuch
night like the leader of what's her face is, uh,
Danny's Army. Then there's Turgarian and Ashley.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Has mentioned in life to get me to watch Game
of Thrones, so it'll happen one day.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
You know what. As much as I love Game of Thrones,
I watched the first episode of the House of the
Dragon and I was like, I might watch it one day,
but I was like a die hard eight o'clock on Sundays,
nine o'clock on Sundays, I'm watching this and then I'm
watching it again like the weekend before the next episode.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
I I think it's because that's been my introduction to
the world.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Though has got Matt Smith in it.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
I mean, if you it's good, I don't know. I
like it.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Did you see that?
Speaker 1 (26:45):
That is what was the thing that made me stop
watching Game of Thrones. I think they're about to kill
a horse and I was like, you know what I'm
good for now?
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Yeah? Like they killed.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
So many animals and it's like Yellowstone through two episodes
that show, and I was like, all the animals are dying.
I'm done by Uh.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Speaking of Matt Smith, did you see that he was
named it He's going to be like the big bad
in the Starfighter movie.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
I didn't know that he was supposed to play young
Palpatine and the Skywalker.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
The Skywalker he was good.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
So do you think that's what they're bringing him back
to do or something different?
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Dead stop that r I p Terrence Stamp Yes, before
the Loor.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Yeah, I think he could be a very good He
could be a syth or just like a puppet master.
He has a and I've only seen definitely has warlord vibes.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Right, he has like before every movie I've seen so far.
I've seen the new the trailer for the new movie
with the guy speaking of Dune. I can never think
of the guy's name. Who was the guy wh played Elvis?
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Elvis, Yeah, Austin, But you said Dune. I was like,
what the.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Well he was the he was he was the main
one of the uh he was. Yeah, he's got a
new movie coming.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
In made me read these books Get It Together.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Where he has to watch a house that Matt Smith
plays like a guy, like a like a something. Yeah,
and then Matt Smith's in there and it's just like
he plays a good stereotypical British person too, like the
mohawk punk Like, oh, he might like because he's James,
(28:31):
but he plays a good version of that.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
So he's well, he's a unique looking person, so he
can do a lot of stuff. He's versatile.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Again. Okay, here's another one. Speaking of unique, I actually
found one of my favorite episodes of this season of
Sandman was death the High Cost of Living, which was
the final tagle.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Yes, I didn't like it very much.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
So okay, the guy Morgan who played the whatever his.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
I don't remember what his name was, Sexton.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Third, you may have might have only seen he So
there was a show on back in for five seasons
back in the late hots early teens, Merlin, where he
played the title character.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
He was with Sam Neil.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Yeah, but so he was Merlin and then he was
also if you remember, am I thinking of something else?
Speaker 1 (29:32):
You might be thinking of, what's the one that had Sam?
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Well, it was the episode Merlin, the BBC Merlin. What's
his face? Who was.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
We're talking about the one with young Merlin, right, yeah,
because it was Merlin was young young Merlin.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
And then also, uh my god, Anthony Head played Uther Pendragon.
He is the guy that was the did you watch
Buffy at all?
Speaker 1 (30:01):
I mean a hundred million years ago.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
He was the guy that was the librarian and then
so anyways, do you remember the episode of Doctor Who
Midnight where they're on that planet with It was a
Dave at Tenant episode.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
I remember the episode that terrorized me. Yes, I remember
the episode.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Okay, So he was Colin Morgan was the kid that,
like the younger kid on the the tram whatever. So
he was the one that was sort of antagonizing him too.
But I loved I like, when I see him and stuff,
I get intrigued because I liked him so much as Merlin.
So the only thing confused me about this death episode
(30:40):
was the ending how Death died on Earth. It was like,
was that necessary? She could have just like disappeared.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
I just but okay, first of all, it was also
called Merlin. What I'm talking about? Okay, it was from
nineteen ninety eight because Sam Neil plays Merlin and it's
excellent and I'm sure people listening you know what.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
I'm talking series right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
With Helen A. Bottom Carter.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Yeah, it was a BBC slash like HBO type of thing.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Flipping PBS or something. Who knows, one of the few
channels we had. Yeah, I felt the episode I know
what they were trying to do, but like it just
felt superfluous.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Well that was the whole point was they made in
one episode where they're like, you don't need to see this,
sort of like you didn't need to see those extra
extra episodes from season one that was split between the
cats Animated Cats thing and then the one with Again,
there's a lot of doctor Who people. The one that.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Played you know England, he was he is doctor who
liked their law and order.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
For all the big one, all the characters.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Everybody's been on doctor Arthur, Well.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
It has things that Arthur Darval, the one who was
the actor that played the character who had the Muse.
Because even like the all all of those characters were
at the wake then like Carthur Darval was at the
wake for dream and so was I mean his ex
wife the Muse who was the one that was Yeah,
so all these characters were there. Again, I don't know
(32:17):
how it plays out in the comics, but they made
Lita or Hippolita into like this total like, oh my god,
she went on a rampage for the wrong reasons. The
kindly ones just flat alied to her. It wasn't dreamed.
It took the kid. It was Loki and it was
only Puck who basically was sort of had like a
(32:42):
conscious going yeah, we can't be doing this.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
And then I did like that.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
And she comes to the funeral, I'm like, who invited you? Nobody?
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Because he wants to see her kid. She's I mean
the kid, the kid.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
He's like, I don't really want to see you.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
The kid technically died. When I hate to put it
like this, when yeah, like you threw that.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
That moment was wild. I was like, Oh, what's going
to happen. I was like, oh, we're burning babies.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Yeah. He came back and he still looks like this baby,
But it was everything that was human. That was the
thing that they mentioned, like everything that was human about
him was burnt away. But then the whole time when
he would be like, you're the first human to become
an endless like but you just wait, make up your mind.
Is he human or was he human? And now he's
(33:36):
not because they were like, this is you're the first.
You're the first human to me do this, and then
him having I did love everyone's reactions every time they met,
especially during the UH, like when all the people from
you know the end of the when the wake was happening,
We're coming in and they see the Corinthian there and
(33:58):
they're all.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Like, what I love Corinthian two point Oh Yeah, he was.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Very much just like all the best parts of without
being too violent.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
What a handsome devil.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
But the fact is, again because of Joanna Constantine obviously
another big, huge doctor who referenced there with Jenna Coleman,
how them at the end being like where he's just
totally smitten. He's like putting everything out there, hitting on her,
realizing like she's human, he's.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
A he's polightly flirting with him.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
He was, but then he was also very much putting
out and then at the end she's like, all right,
how's this gonna work?
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Really okay because he has a construct of the dreaming,
but I love it. I was shipping them hard.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
And then he could show up and be in the
real world. We saw that when he left. Yeah, the
whole there was a whole point of that last half
as he's the one was you gotta find Corinthian because
he's killing people bad Corinthian.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Yeah, that was good, going to do what he's told.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
I did think that the did you see that. The
end of episode eight, there was a little like end
credit thing with the ones, just like yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
We're like they're like, well, we're done.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
What's the point of this?
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Just like okay, it was like the it was like
the Doctor Strange Multiverse of Madness final credit scene. It's over.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Yeah, it's like okay, it makes there making it very meta.
It's like okay, it's over, and it's over, so.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
It is over. Period.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
I looked and I didn't ever because Netflix gives you
about two seconds when an episode's over in order to
like stop it from going to the next episode, because
sometimes looking at I want to see like, oh, who
was this actor? Who is this I never once saw
the I never once saw Neil Game's name like pop
(35:55):
up anywhere. Maybe it's hidden in there was at.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
The beginning, in the beginnings.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
So just be even then it's like next episode, boom,
you're thirty five seconds in. So all this stuff they
put the hard work, all the creators. You know, sometimes
it's like, oh, you don't want to skip it, but yeah,
when you're binge and stuff, it's like give me the
next one, give me the next one, give me the
next one.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
No, they did. They did credit him at the beginning.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
So yeah, I did think that in some senses Dreams, Uh,
he was over emoting and over doing the very like
I understand it. He was brooding a lot. That's sort
of his his you know, that's his thing.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
He's broody.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
But then also Lucien and all the other Oh my god,
when Leita killed Fiddler's Green.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
The first time, I was dare you?
Speaker 2 (36:51):
You can't do that.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
But then she brings them, Daniel brings them back. He's like,
how dare you?
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Yeah, and then but his real his uh really or
his reasoning for that was like, oh, that's totally perfect.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
It's like the whole point of the show.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Yeah, it's like you need to do you need to
do this on your own. You need to Yes, you
have your siblings. And of course though that scene where
he walks into the like dinner with all the rest
of his siblings there and they're all just like hey,
my god.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Like, oh, everybody's happy now. Like I guess they didn't
like original dream.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Maybe they realized too, is that some of the the
especially during the eulogies, realized that we they do need
each other more than they thought they did. So now
we got another start because now we could go forward
with it'd be except for Destiny.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
He's always just like, well, you know, he's got the
worst gig of all of them. He is he's a
wat to pretty much with glorious purpose.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Yes he is. He is a watcher. He is the
guy that like he knows everything, but.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
He's sort of just like this sho've gotten Jeffrey, right.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
But yeah, they I think they did realize. Especially Desire
was just like I.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
Think delirium zoology. She's like, you know, he was my
big brother. I thought he was scary and that he
knew everything, and it turns out he was scared and
he didn't know everything. And I think they're all just
kind of like, oh, that's probably all of us at
the end of the day.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Right, because then that's when they realized that, like we
could do better as a group. Yeah, especially because they
harpened the thing where there was like, oh my god,
you haven't shown up in my whatever when he had
those you know, you go to that special room and
then you look in the painting and it's like, oh,
you could talk to him. It's like the galleries, you
haven't been here in two hundred years. Or whatever. It's
(38:52):
just like, you know, they haven't had a family meeting
in forever. People grow apart, right, And was that the
the same motivation for him going to hell? Yes, it
was for him to go uh to uh nalout because
in the comics it was just like they basically like
(39:13):
guilted him and were making fun of him. We're like
you you yeah, damned the human to hell for ten
thousand years and then yeah, so that part pretty much
was like.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
Spotted, did your girlfriend out of Hell?
Speaker 2 (39:26):
And then when they showed up.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Forgive me and she's like no.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
And then he does save her. But the whole time
the same thing where it's like Lucifer again. I mean
so I think half the people on the show were
either in Doctor Who or Game of Thrones. Well you know,
you gotta, we gotta, you gotta, you gotta make money eat,
when Lucifer is just like yep, here you go. And
(39:52):
then it's like I'm going to a beach and I'm
gonna go going.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
To the cold beaches of Dover those cold beaches.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
So yeah, overall, I think the whole thing is a
hole is enjoyable. I'll probably give me a couple of
years when there's something I need to watch and like
I could hit through because there's twenty episodes total and
be like it was. It was very well made. There
wasn't any bad points where you're like, oh my god,
that wig looks terrible.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Oh there was some wiggy moments. There was there Oh yes,
dreams long Wig I could not deal with.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Okay, that just that just looked bad.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
Bringing it back well.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
Because I think they had to show him during his
different like his.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
Different instruction, a terrible beard. In the last I was like, who.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
Oh when he came back, I would love to see
Oh my god, because they obviously.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
And his back in time WIGGI was also terrible. It
looks like a mop.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
When Destruction comes to see the New Dream and they're
walking around and he's just like, I'm showing give me
a tour this place, it's like nemb okay whatever. And
then when he's just like should I let the others
know you were here? And they're like no, because of
the whole fact is that they weren't looking for him. Yeah,
and they found him and then he left. I would
love it with like if they're in the meal and
stuff like that and like, well, destruction. He's like, well,
(41:16):
destruction was shouldn't said anything like that. What it was?
Speaker 1 (41:20):
The destruction stuff I liked, but it was ultimately unsatisfying.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
I think they did a good job in the sense
like he didn't. Could you imagine know if they would
have filmed destruction showing up to the wake walking in
and then all of a sudden like destiny and desire
and stuff like that would have been like, oh my god,
he's here. It would have taken the whole focus off
why everyone was there for the first place. So he
(41:44):
did the thing where he came, He gave his respects,
and he basically I forgot exactly what he told the
New dream.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
It was sort of just like he don't tell him anything.
He's like, what did my brother tell you about this job? Basically,
and he's like nothing, and he's like, well it's gonna
be hard.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Yeah. But because he even say he goes, I basically
went from being an infant to being an endless So
I was like, I have no you know, he didn't
even get to go on like a dream rum springer
or anything like that.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
Well, first he was thrown on the fire. Yeah, yeah,
you know, he's had a rough go of it. Daniel has,
but he seems well adjusted, right, and he's gonna have
to hit because everyone pretty much was just like Lucian
and Matthew.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
And I love that they brought Mervyn back because that's
the when they killed him. It was just like, but
they're all just like, well we were Morpheus's you know,
this is dream but it's not Morpheus. Yeah, So he's
just like he needs to do his own thing here.
So he figures about Corinthian's getting his h you know,
(42:53):
oat soiled and stuff like that now. So basically he's
gonna have to start from you know, make some mistakes.
And I would love to see how in the real
world be like, man, I've had some messed up dreams lately, like, well,
here we go.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
He seemed a little more benevolent.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Yeah, because I think that he, like they said, his
the humanity of it all is going to you know,
take over a little bit more than just the fact
that all those he's the first one. Because it also
made it seem like that the seven that were there
were not the originals like they've had They've had replacements
(43:36):
through time for a few of them, where like yeah,
so it's just like maybe there was a destiny that
we're not destiny. I think destiny is pretty much just
like the first one, and he's always going to be there,
but that other ones have they can be replaced because
they need to. Humanity needs them to, you know, just
(43:56):
keep going. So yeah, anyways, except for destruction, Yeah, because
that's sort of like humans. Humans figured out how to
do that on their own without the help of you know,
they can destroy whatever they want without any help from
anybody else.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
So and they will.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
Yes, So what man, we got a wide open thing
next week. Do we have no idea what we're gonna do?
Speaker 1 (44:22):
No, we don't. It's a surprise.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
Okay, we'll talk about are you talking to me or
are you talking to me or you're talking to everybody?
Like I like to know what we're doing too.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
So anyways, I don't make you anilateral decisions.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
No, that's true.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
Yes, all right, but when you when we do announce
what we're gonna do, you can find out on our socials.
We're on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram, and you can email
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Speaker 2 (45:00):
And we got our list of Sparks podcasts buddies with
our shows that we think that you would enjoy because
we do. And their names and links are in our
show notes, but I'll run down what they are here,
and they are across to Buy Frost the Mighty four,
Dan Any and you have questions, commute the podcast Sega
Bits Cocktails from the Cantina, Rubber First Radio Presents to
Bob bu Freaks, Jack Kirby, so we are so fun.
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And the Star Wars Wild Universe from our very own
James Yoda, Hugh Hewings, and it's all about what Star
Wars means to you in your everyday life and just
in general. So yeah, there we go. I've been bed
in some really good overall consensus for people that followed
the High Republic all the way till the end, and
(45:44):
it reminds them a lot of like the New Jedi
Order and other things where it was like when you
have a long running thing that has some sort of
there was never any inconsistency in it, the second phase
being a you know, a prequel like a throat, like
a flashback. And then I honestly I still haven't finished
(46:06):
the last book yet. I've finished it soon. I just
have time, so I really want to read Sanctuary too.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
So I like Sanctuary.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
It was good bad Batch book.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
Yeah, so Star Wars coming.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
Up, that'll be coming up. We're going to have our
Tie Republic Phase three and overall recap in about a
month's time or so with Totten James. And again, like
you're talking about Marvel's Zombies is coming out. I just
were kind of out.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
Uh, wonder Maker, Peacemaker. We'll talk about stuff I love
aund here, but we'll figure it out.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
No, I'm looking at our list of movies that are
coming out for primers and it's like Supergirl, Worlds Tomorrow,
Armor Wars, Avengers, Doom Day Blade. I'm like, h we
probably can push Blade back because I don't even know
when that's just.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
A list, just everything goes above it. At this point,
we'll probably have to return to the Secret Wars here
in a while as well.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
So, yeah, especially because it's been a while and now
it's actually getting I think we're getting into the actual
battle world part of it, where it's like, instead of
being individual stories of all the different realms, it's going
to be like the Battle Royals.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
We're definitely in the Battle world.
Speaker 2 (47:25):
So alrighty, anything else for loving audience before we head out?
Speaker 1 (47:32):
Yeah, just book adjacent. Ashley and I are rewatching Outlander
and we are about to wrap up the first season
and that'll drop on Friday, the twenty second of August.
So if you enjoy that show, please check out our
rewatch series over there.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
Sounds good. So until next week when we have a
surprise episode for you. Remember two things, be accellent to
each other and never judge a book by its movie.
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Right now on Source Pages, we're joining the Endless family
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Speaker 1 (00:56):
Whatever we want. I love when it's a episode and
that's somebody's first one potentially, And what do we do here?
Whatever we want?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Yeah, pretty much lately it's just been a lot of
catchup of we are going to review stuff that we
had primaries for because everything it was just this summer
more than anything. And again we have our Jimmy Kimmel
Matt Damon situation here with the Dareduble Board again reviewing comparison,
(01:26):
which is sort of.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Like the what is the Jimmy Kimmel Matt Damon.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Well, he always he always jokes about how he's gonna
have him on and then he pushes him and keeps
pushing him. And that's why if you've ever seen like
Matt Damon show up on Jimmy Kimmel's hosting like the Oscars,
there's always like this like playful disdain between the two
of them.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
That's funny, but it's.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
It's a bit they do. And so for us talking
about the fact that a show that ended, I mean,
when did it end end? Airing in March or April
and we're still talking to me having.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Yeah, a new lost episode like the one did.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
It's like we haven't even recorded anything on it, but
it's sort of just like we haven't had time to
do it. But it's anyways, so likely this one was
a little more you know, time appropriate, I guess, because
it just dropped the last episode recently.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
And yeah, yeah, that was it.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
So trying to think there was a couple of things
that popped up in the.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
News that Marvel Zombies got pushed up. Yes, we're gonna
read a one shot for that. It'll be fun. Yeah,
it will have nothing to do with the show.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
And if you want to do any kind of primers
on your own watch the episode from season one of
Was there only the one episode from season one of
Marvel Zombies or season two?
Speaker 1 (02:53):
It was a whole thing, wasn't it? It was multiple episodes,
was it was?
Speaker 2 (02:59):
It was like, oh no, it was what if?
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Right?
Speaker 2 (03:02):
But if? Yeah? Oh yeah, that's what I'm trying to think.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
It's like this several years.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
There wasn't actually a one episode I believe so, yeah,
because it was the one where uh, you know they
took the thing from the.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
I just remember scot Lang's head in a jar.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yeah, and if they were used, they were using someone's
body as like uh like food.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
It was Scarlett witch or it was one of the
things eating people for sure. Oh there was it, T'Challa.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
It was one of the it was one of the
who it was in the comics. I think, yeah, I
have to watch the episode again beforehand.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
So and uh yeah, Marvel Zombies. What else? What else happened?
I started watching Peacemaker.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
The first season. Yeah, you don't seem very Uh.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
It's fine, listen, I'm not gonna go all out, but
like I need people to stop over hyping things.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
No, I mean I thought it was I mean, first off,
it has and I'll still stand by it because I
think they're changing it for this the second season. That
opening sequence.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
I didn't like.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Okay, you didn't like the opening sequence with I Know
a whole. Oh my god, it's all of them dancing
in line like it's a whole and then like some
random eighties song. You know. I just loved this.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
I was like, everybody said this was amazing, and it's like, fine.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
You gotta realize that Haley hates on a lot of
stuff that people rather enjoy, so just.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
People over hype things and it's like, Okay, let's not
act like this is the gift to television that everybody's
saying it is. I was fine, it's entertaining. John Cena
is really good in it, but like, let's just all
calm down.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Have you watched any Stranger Things?
Speaker 1 (04:47):
No? And at this point I refuse to.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
I think I think that would be a show that
by the time you got around to watching it, you'll
be like, it wasn't that good, even though.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
I I mean I literally read all of the episode,
it's not because I was like do I want to
watch this? And then at the end I was like, no,
I do not.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Okay, see there we go. There's a certain like niche
of stuff that would just I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
I'm trying to take you out of it, branch out,
but then I just get disappointed. Peacemaker is fine, it's fine.
I'm trying to watch it because if we want to
do something with it, I'm on like episode six, so
you know, I can play it in the background and
do other things and that's nice.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Yeah, it doesn't happen. I mean, I think this season
is gonna be a little bit more connected. I guess
because if you watch the trailer, what's gonna happen? I mean,
don't watch watch the trailer, Okay, then don't because it
sort of gives away a little bit about I mean
because obviously when you're this point in the season, uh,
they already have a clear cut like.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
I like Daniel Brooks on it. I was hoping that
they're doing a lunch in between the shows, and that's
not on the DC app I looked yesterday. But there's
another one shot that we could read if we wanted
to read something.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
The only problem I had with season one is that
when my older brother and I in the eighties were
reading comics really heavily, there was two characters that we loved,
one from d C and one from Marvel that sort
of had the same pretty much backstore, you know how
there's like swamp Thing and man Thing and Acaman and anymore.
(06:29):
While the DC and Marvels two were Punisher and Vigilante
on screen, they could not be any but the polar opposis,
because the Vigilante in Peacemaker is not like Frank Castle,
and he's not like the comic books. He's like, he
means well, but he's a he's a buffoon.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Pretty but he's probably my favorite character at this point.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Oh yeah, he's great. But that took me to the
hardest the law this to get over. The fact is like, Okay,
this is not like how I remember him from the comics.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
But it's fine that we're we could save this for
another week, but we're gonna talk about it now. Well,
we wait for the weather baths so.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
We can We've got no. This is fine because right
now I'm under uh we're hoping that it's not going
to happen here, but I'm under like right now a
severe thunderstorm warning an extra.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
He looks like something I should know. I just can't
place him.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Oh, Oh, the one that plays the.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Place Peacemaker's dad.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
What's his name, Oh, Richard Patrick, Robert Patrick, Robert his dad, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
He was Baker does eagerly. Okay, I've bought in a
little more now.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
The guy that plays his dad he famous for Huh.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
It's not Michael Ricord, somebody else. Oh, Robert Patrick.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
I see Robert Patrick. He came. His first major role
was T two thousand and the terminator, Terminator too.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
He plays the cop.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Yeah, and then he's in a whole bunch of things.
And then he was in a bunch of those like
procedural CBS crime things.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
He looks like that other guy. Mm hmmm, I can't do.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
It, just like I thought up until I looked at
the guy that played Paw Paul Kent was the guy
from Tanis D. But it's the one dude that looks
exactly like Kyle.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Thousand men who looked like that in this country, right.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
But it was like to the point where I'm like,
I can't tell the difference. So anyways, Okay, so that's
peacemaker talk. And I don't know if you could pick
up on that thiss Like my house is rumbling right
now from thunder The Thunderbolts are come in.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Releases on Disney Plus like next week.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
I think, right, yes, yeah, and we can also probably
do something with because you know, there's so much stuff
that dropped or it's going to drop. ISAAA Conda's out,
which I have to watch it. We have we list
in eyes TV. Watching together time is so narrow sometimes
(09:24):
because it all depends on I've got to get up
at like five point forty five for work, so I
try to get to sleep by ten at the latest.
She's got to put the kids to bed, so when
if she comes down at like nine to twenty, we
can't watch one of our hour shows which we liked watching.
We've watched the first two episodes of this season of Wednesday.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
So far, and it's just that's another one I don't
care about.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Yeah, it's no, it's it's really enjoyable. I had to
actually joke and say, I wish he would have brought
Catherine Sander Jones back for the second season because she's
had She looks so much different than the first season,
like between weight loss and plastic surgery and whatever, like,
it doesn't even look like it's the same person. But
(10:11):
we did find a bunch of shows that we started
watching on Apple because it seems like everything on it
comes out on Apple got nominated for every kind of
like Best Comedy or Best Drama. The Studio, which is
video we got. We're three episodes in, so the last
(10:33):
episode we WoT with every episode.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
I cannot wait for you guys to watch the one
episode that is honestly one of the funniest things I've
watched in a very long time.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Well, we thought, first off, the episode two, which was
the one take episode of the one Take in the
movie Yeah, was some of the most nerve wracking comedy
I've ever seen. I loved, and then the Ron Howard
thing with the second movie with the me Mackie being like,
what the hell he's over?
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Oh my god, it's so funny. Now you'll know, you'll
know exactly which episode I'm talking about, and it's I
was in stitches. I wasn't stitches, So.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
We started watching that. We also started watching Uh Slow Horses,
which is on Apple plus Nathan watches that we didn't
realize it's like five seasons in because it's the British
show and I love Gary Oldman and it's sort of like, uh,
we had to go back. Have you have you watched
any of it yet?
Speaker 1 (11:32):
I don't think I'm gonna check that one.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Oh well, the whole premise of what happened with it
was is that some guy messed up. It's an I
five thing, and it was a training scenario that got
like three hundred people killed in the training scenario, not
in real life. And so after we watch it, we're like,
who was right between the two of them? And then
we watch it at the beginning, we're like, oh my god.
The main character who gets demoted to this team that's
(11:54):
run by Gary Oldman, who's sort of like the it's
sort of like the the Suicide Squad where it's all
the people that they want to keep employed they have to,
but they're not giving him anything special because they messed up.
It wasn't his fault, it was the other dude's fault,
who's still in a top position. Well, he got demoted
a little bit too, But it's one of those dramas
that has a lot of funny moments in it too.
(12:15):
So but then again, we have no time to watch it,
so we've just been watching like.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
That's the nice thing about the studio is like twenty
five minutes long.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Well the one we're like, okay, well we got like
twenty minutes. We went to look at the Ron Howard
one and that episode was like thirty nine minutes long.
Then the rest of them are all like shorter, so
plus what like eight episodes in it?
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
But Seth Rogan does play one of the most inept
studio heads because his whole thing is like he wants
all the talent that he grew up admiring to keep
admiring him, even though he's like their boss now so.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
And he's like, I want to be an R tour
and they're like, yeah, make this kool Aid movie.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
A kool Aid movie.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Oh god, it just wait, oh god, it's so funny.
I'm gonna rewatch it.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
That whole scene at the end of the first episode
of where at Charlie's Theon's party and Steve Bushemi's like,
this is so great. They do Greenland this first Scorsese's
last movie ever, and you see him in the background
and he's weeping and everything, and Seth Broken's character is
freaking out going what did I just do? Like I
literally just killed like.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
An American institution I mean, everybody's made really stupid mistakes
at work before, and you know exactly how he felt.
You're like, I've been there, I've done something stupid.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Like that, like Park has car in the driveway when
at the end of the one shot where I'm like,
that's going to come back to butt, and it did.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
When they drive away and he's like, they're gonna get it.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Yeah, yeah, they didn't get it, and then son of
up and then that's the end of the episode. And
it was like, Okay, breathe.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
I love the studio, it's okay, so okay about it.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
What's our episode about today?
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Oh? The season two one of your favorite things ever?
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Well, the first part of it was. But then I
went a look and they literally, I mean they had
to have they This show did a lot of what
do you call it when damage control? That's what it was.
Because that second group of episodes, while it was I
(14:19):
liked it overall, there's a couple of nitpicks I have
and some other things, but they literally cut out like
one hundred up issues of the comics. They went they
had to write, well, yeah, because they were like, our
whole plan.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Had two seasons now.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Right, But that's the whole thing was like, that was
our plan. It's like, no, it wasn't, because you literally
the seasons of mysts is the continuation. It's like issues
that we read in the twenties and this thing went yeah,
and he.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Came out was like no, this is how we always
had it written. And it's like sure, no, because it.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Literally went from that to Okay, now we've got to
find a way to end this. So yeah, okay, before
I go in for what did I mean overall? What
did you think of the second season?
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Overall? I liked it a lot better than the first one.
I thought the storytelling was done better, and I I
just it was less cut up. I mean, I know
it cuts up the story in general from the source material,
but season one I remember feeling like we jump around
a ton just because we're on this journey with Dream
(15:24):
and he's got to get his stuff back and he's
got to reclaim his kingdom. I remember that season feeling
very herky jerky. This felt more seamless overall, and I
will say it felt at the end you feel a
little bit like you have whiplash because you're like, oh,
the endless are so you know, dark and broody and
for voting, and then at the end they're like, hey,
(15:46):
new family member, you know, and it's like, okay, I
guess they just didn't like Dream or something. I don't know,
you know, I mean, but overall I liked a lot better.
I thought it had some beautiful imagery and it was
it was fun.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
I enjoyed it well too, the cutting up of the
whole dinner party thing and making it a little less
as important. I guess in the comics I think we
talked about this another two hundredth Episode two is my
(16:22):
biggest gripe is the way that the transfer to the
angels and the basis of why it was happening was
presented on the show.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
I still won't get over it, because if you know,
in the comics, the angels were there, the two Guardians
I can't remember what their names are, were there to
talk to Dream and they're like, God doesn't want it
to go to anyone. It has to stay for its purpose.
And then God told Dream you have to give it
(16:55):
to these angels and they're going to be in charge
of Hell now. And they were not happy. They were like,
we can't go back to the Golden City. We are
condemned now to be in charge of Hell, in which
they turned it into more of a rehab. They turned
it more into like a rehab facility and then a prison,
(17:16):
which was sort of like what Lucifer was doing right.
But in the TV show, Dream comes up with it
and the angels were like, okay, boom, It's like they
cut out that whole, you know. They were every the
people that were Dreams decision and the angels taking it
(17:37):
were it was out of their hands because God was
just like, this is how you want to do it.
So it made it's like Dream being a little bit
more omnipotent or not omnipotent, but he had more of
the power to be like because the angels could have
been like, what, you can't take us away from God,
you know, the rule and Hell. And then after that
it was just like it's over. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
They gloss over the ending of that episode. Even the
fight with ozaz All it's like, oh, this is gonna
be cool on Epic and it takes like six seconds.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Yeah, and he's just like, don't forget. You're still in
my realm and you have no.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Power and we get no resolution on Nata, which I
thought was a weird choice when it didn't need to
be that way.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Right because in the in the in the comics, they
pretty much just was like, Okay, you're gonna be reincarnated.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Well, he gives her choices, He's like, what do you want?
She's like, I wanted to I want a new life.
I want a life that you didn't steal from me,
which gives her a lot of agency. And in this one,
it's just like she becomes this specter like hunting him,
and I understand why they were doing that for his story,
but I thought it was kind of unfair to hers.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Yeah, because it was also sort of making him when
Delirium comes after like the next storyline with them going
to find Destruction dreams motivations now were like not to
help and find his brother. It was sort of been like,
go see if I can find Natas Hill. Where Yeah,
(19:04):
it was like that was not the table because she
was gone.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
And the Destruction stuff is also could have been cool.
And I loved him and Delirium going on their little
journey together, but where did Discruction go? Where did Distruction go?
Like he poofs into the sky and then he comes
back and he like leaves his dog because he's like,
you can't come with me, and then he comes back
and he's like, oh hey dog, and I'm like, wait
(19:29):
a minute, right, this is irresponsible pet ownership first of all,
which I'm not here for, but that's true.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
But it's also a talking dog too, so it's sort
of like the dog's got a little bit more sentience
than just like your typical no.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
But he didn't want destruction to leave him and it
was sad.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
But how funny was it though, was that that whole
point was, you know, with him trying to the whole
circle of it was that in order for him to
find it, he had to find another seer with to
his Orpheus, his son, but at that point was just
the head because of you can't die right, and then
his you know, him giving Morpheus the location of destruction
(20:12):
that the payment was is that you have to kill me,
which then ends up having getting dream his final blood.
But the destruction was like on the island next to
where Orpheus was. The whole time he was like, they
were just like right, you can just yell loud, and
he had been like, oh.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Crap, period is well because everybody wanted to see Orpheus
except Morpheus right anyway.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
And then all of a sudden you go there in
Destruction was sort of just like, I don't know, I
guess the I always try to link what because obviously
all of the the endless are personifications of human you know,
experience things that start with D because they all start
(20:57):
with D because delirium used to be what the and
now she's delirium And then you've got not depression but despair,
despair but destruction going away meant to me more like
is that in the human terms, is that we still
have wars in the same sense, but we don't have
(21:19):
like before we became more civilized in the last one
hundred and fifty two hundred years, is we were having
wars all the time there was the whole planet was
at war with each other, and it seems to have dissipated.
So Destruction was like, I'm not needing anymore.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Well, his whole thing was they're going to do it
to each other anyway, like because they had developed the
atom bomb, right, and so he's like, I guess I
don't need to be here, like they don't need me.
They've created their own end essentially, which was dark right,
(21:54):
I know, And that's.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
A lot of the the stuff I loved I think
this season more than the first season is they toned
down the It's not like gratuitous violence, but sort of
like even though if you've like read the twenty four
hour Diner from the first season, the comics compared.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
To the visual which I like sometime, but.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
They could have made the episode of the TV show
a lot worse. It was not as graphic as they hear.
So with this being said, is that I don't have
a lot to compare to is because once they did
the season, the miss and then the whole search for
destruction thing, I'm sort of just like was especially in
that second grouping, was like I have no idea what
(22:44):
any of this stuff is with him with the you know,
trying to save himself and going to see mom and
going like they never mentioned before, like but his his
dad is their dad is time and their mom is space. Night. Yeah, night,
And I thought, yeah, because that there's nothing to I
(23:04):
think that's the one thing that sometimes when there's adaptations,
and we talked about it too, is like still my
biggest gripe on doing part two is that they changed
the the ending on the motivations her, motivating her whole.
They made her seem like a weaker character than she
needed to be. And so again, don't judge a book
(23:27):
by its movie. It has to do with that your
source material. If it doesn't, hopefully, it's obviously sam And
there's no way to be able to change anything because
it's done, and I don't think they're going to do
And this is what we got here. It does seem
like it's very truncated, but it doesn't seem like it's
(23:48):
missing anything because it worked together.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Now, I'm sure as time goes on and things happen
and lawsuits are settled and whatever, I'm sure this will
get adopted again. It might be fifteen or twenty years,
but I bet it.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Happens in somewhere or another.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
He wouldn't help themselves.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
The only thing I can't. And I don't know if
it was just me because I was watching it on
like a four K TV, but there was a lot
of times where, like the Dream Morpheus, his skin looked
really weird, like it was very porous and very like
I don't know, if the makeup just didn't look well
on it.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
They him from head to toe This season like he was.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Like maybe he was too tanned and they had it like,
but man does not have a tan.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
He's like me, there's no tan on that body.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
They needed him. They needed to make him like snow,
like stark white. They sed it, but it made his
skin and high death look really weird to him watching it, going,
that just looks like it in my it look better
if it's on like a like a regular ten ADP
or something, but in four K it looked I watched a.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Lot about my iPad, so I actually.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
I didn't notice. Okay, I don't know what because I.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Was in bed. Did you like going downstairs with the TV?
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Did you watch Game of Thrones?
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Nope, I watched five. I watched four and a third episodes.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Okay, because I couldn't. I had to sit there when Daniel, yes,
when he became when he when? When? Okay? So obviously
there's when Morpheus is, when Morpheus dies and Daniel becomes
the New Dream And I'm looking at this sky going
(25:51):
why does he look so damn familiar? And then all
of a sudden, I go, oh my god, that was
Sandworm from Game of Thrones. He was like a eunuch
night like the leader of what's her face is, uh,
Danny's Army. Then there's Turgarian and Ashley.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Has mentioned in life to get me to watch Game
of Thrones, so it'll happen one day.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
You know what. As much as I love Game of Thrones,
I watched the first episode of the House of the
Dragon and I was like, I might watch it one day,
but I was like a die hard eight o'clock on Sundays,
nine o'clock on Sundays, I'm watching this and then I'm
watching it again like the weekend before the next episode.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
I I think it's because that's been my introduction to
the world.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Though has got Matt Smith in it.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
I mean, if you it's good, I don't know. I
like it.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Did you see that?
Speaker 1 (26:45):
That is what was the thing that made me stop
watching Game of Thrones. I think they're about to kill
a horse and I was like, you know what I'm
good for now?
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Yeah? Like they killed.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
So many animals and it's like Yellowstone through two episodes
that show, and I was like, all the animals are dying.
I'm done by Uh.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Speaking of Matt Smith, did you see that he was
named it He's going to be like the big bad
in the Starfighter movie.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
I didn't know that he was supposed to play young
Palpatine and the Skywalker.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
The Skywalker he was good.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
So do you think that's what they're bringing him back
to do or something different?
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Dead stop that r I p Terrence Stamp Yes, before
the Loor.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Yeah, I think he could be a very good He
could be a syth or just like a puppet master.
He has a and I've only seen definitely has warlord vibes.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Right, he has like before every movie I've seen so far.
I've seen the new the trailer for the new movie
with the guy speaking of Dune. I can never think
of the guy's name. Who was the guy wh played Elvis?
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Elvis, Yeah, Austin, But you said Dune. I was like,
what the.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Well he was the he was he was the main
one of the uh he was. Yeah, he's got a
new movie coming.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
In made me read these books Get It Together.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Where he has to watch a house that Matt Smith
plays like a guy, like a like a something. Yeah,
and then Matt Smith's in there and it's just like
he plays a good stereotypical British person too, like the
mohawk punk Like, oh, he might like because he's James,
(28:31):
but he plays a good version of that.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
So he's well, he's a unique looking person, so he
can do a lot of stuff. He's versatile.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Again. Okay, here's another one. Speaking of unique, I actually
found one of my favorite episodes of this season of
Sandman was death the High Cost of Living, which was
the final tagle.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Yes, I didn't like it very much.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
So okay, the guy Morgan who played the whatever his.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
I don't remember what his name was, Sexton.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Third, you may have might have only seen he So
there was a show on back in for five seasons
back in the late hots early teens, Merlin, where he
played the title character.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
He was with Sam Neil.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Yeah, but so he was Merlin and then he was
also if you remember, am I thinking of something else?
Speaker 1 (29:32):
You might be thinking of, what's the one that had Sam?
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Well, it was the episode Merlin, the BBC Merlin. What's
his face? Who was.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
We're talking about the one with young Merlin, right, yeah,
because it was Merlin was young young Merlin.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
And then also, uh my god, Anthony Head played Uther Pendragon.
He is the guy that was the did you watch
Buffy at all?
Speaker 1 (30:01):
I mean a hundred million years ago.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
He was the guy that was the librarian and then
so anyways, do you remember the episode of Doctor Who
Midnight where they're on that planet with It was a
Dave at Tenant episode.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
I remember the episode that terrorized me. Yes, I remember
the episode.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Okay, So he was Colin Morgan was the kid that,
like the younger kid on the the tram whatever. So
he was the one that was sort of antagonizing him too.
But I loved I like, when I see him and stuff,
I get intrigued because I liked him so much as Merlin.
So the only thing confused me about this death episode
(30:40):
was the ending how Death died on Earth. It was like,
was that necessary? She could have just like disappeared.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
I just but okay, first of all, it was also
called Merlin. What I'm talking about? Okay, it was from
nineteen ninety eight because Sam Neil plays Merlin and it's
excellent and I'm sure people listening you know what.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
I'm talking series right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
With Helen A. Bottom Carter.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Yeah, it was a BBC slash like HBO type of thing.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Flipping PBS or something. Who knows, one of the few
channels we had. Yeah, I felt the episode I know
what they were trying to do, but like it just
felt superfluous.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Well that was the whole point was they made in
one episode where they're like, you don't need to see this,
sort of like you didn't need to see those extra
extra episodes from season one that was split between the
cats Animated Cats thing and then the one with Again,
there's a lot of doctor Who people. The one that.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Played you know England, he was he is doctor who
liked their law and order.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
For all the big one, all the characters.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Everybody's been on doctor Arthur, Well.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
It has things that Arthur Darval, the one who was
the actor that played the character who had the Muse.
Because even like the all all of those characters were
at the wake then like Carthur Darval was at the
wake for dream and so was I mean his ex
wife the Muse who was the one that was Yeah,
so all these characters were there. Again, I don't know
(32:17):
how it plays out in the comics, but they made
Lita or Hippolita into like this total like, oh my god,
she went on a rampage for the wrong reasons. The
kindly ones just flat alied to her. It wasn't dreamed.
It took the kid. It was Loki and it was
only Puck who basically was sort of had like a
(32:42):
conscious going yeah, we can't be doing this.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
And then I did like that.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
And she comes to the funeral, I'm like, who invited you? Nobody?
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Because he wants to see her kid. She's I mean
the kid, the kid.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
He's like, I don't really want to see you.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
The kid technically died. When I hate to put it
like this, when yeah, like you threw that.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
That moment was wild. I was like, Oh, what's going
to happen. I was like, oh, we're burning babies.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Yeah. He came back and he still looks like this baby,
But it was everything that was human. That was the
thing that they mentioned, like everything that was human about
him was burnt away. But then the whole time when
he would be like, you're the first human to become
an endless like but you just wait, make up your mind.
Is he human or was he human? And now he's
(33:36):
not because they were like, this is you're the first.
You're the first human to me do this, and then
him having I did love everyone's reactions every time they met,
especially during the UH, like when all the people from
you know the end of the when the wake was happening,
We're coming in and they see the Corinthian there and
(33:58):
they're all.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Like, what I love Corinthian two point Oh Yeah, he was.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Very much just like all the best parts of without
being too violent.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
What a handsome devil.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
But the fact is, again because of Joanna Constantine obviously
another big, huge doctor who referenced there with Jenna Coleman,
how them at the end being like where he's just
totally smitten. He's like putting everything out there, hitting on her,
realizing like she's human, he's.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
A he's polightly flirting with him.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
He was, but then he was also very much putting
out and then at the end she's like, all right,
how's this gonna work?
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Really okay because he has a construct of the dreaming,
but I love it. I was shipping them hard.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
And then he could show up and be in the
real world. We saw that when he left. Yeah, the
whole there was a whole point of that last half
as he's the one was you gotta find Corinthian because
he's killing people bad Corinthian.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Yeah, that was good, going to do what he's told.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
I did think that the did you see that. The
end of episode eight, there was a little like end
credit thing with the ones, just like yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
We're like they're like, well, we're done.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
What's the point of this?
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Just like okay, it was like the it was like
the Doctor Strange Multiverse of Madness final credit scene. It's over.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Yeah, it's like okay, it makes there making it very meta.
It's like okay, it's over, and it's over, so.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
It is over. Period.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
I looked and I didn't ever because Netflix gives you
about two seconds when an episode's over in order to
like stop it from going to the next episode, because
sometimes looking at I want to see like, oh, who
was this actor? Who is this I never once saw
the I never once saw Neil Game's name like pop
(35:55):
up anywhere. Maybe it's hidden in there was at.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
The beginning, in the beginnings.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
So just be even then it's like next episode, boom,
you're thirty five seconds in. So all this stuff they
put the hard work, all the creators. You know, sometimes
it's like, oh, you don't want to skip it, but yeah,
when you're binge and stuff, it's like give me the
next one, give me the next one, give me the
next one.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
No, they did. They did credit him at the beginning.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
So yeah, I did think that in some senses Dreams, Uh,
he was over emoting and over doing the very like
I understand it. He was brooding a lot. That's sort
of his his you know, that's his thing.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
He's broody.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
But then also Lucien and all the other Oh my god,
when Leita killed Fiddler's Green.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
The first time, I was dare you?
Speaker 2 (36:51):
You can't do that.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
But then she brings them, Daniel brings them back. He's like,
how dare you?
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Yeah, and then but his real his uh really or
his reasoning for that was like, oh, that's totally perfect.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
It's like the whole point of the show.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Yeah, it's like you need to do you need to
do this on your own. You need to Yes, you
have your siblings. And of course though that scene where
he walks into the like dinner with all the rest
of his siblings there and they're all just like hey,
my god.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Like, oh, everybody's happy now. Like I guess they didn't
like original dream.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Maybe they realized too, is that some of the the
especially during the eulogies, realized that we they do need
each other more than they thought they did. So now
we got another start because now we could go forward
with it'd be except for Destiny.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
He's always just like, well, you know, he's got the
worst gig of all of them. He is he's a
wat to pretty much with glorious purpose.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Yes he is. He is a watcher. He is the
guy that like he knows everything, but.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
He's sort of just like this sho've gotten Jeffrey, right.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
But yeah, they I think they did realize. Especially Desire
was just like I.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
Think delirium zoology. She's like, you know, he was my
big brother. I thought he was scary and that he
knew everything, and it turns out he was scared and
he didn't know everything. And I think they're all just
kind of like, oh, that's probably all of us at
the end of the day.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Right, because then that's when they realized that, like we
could do better as a group. Yeah, especially because they
harpened the thing where there was like, oh my god,
you haven't shown up in my whatever when he had
those you know, you go to that special room and
then you look in the painting and it's like, oh,
you could talk to him. It's like the galleries, you
haven't been here in two hundred years. Or whatever. It's
(38:52):
just like, you know, they haven't had a family meeting
in forever. People grow apart, right, And was that the
the same motivation for him going to hell? Yes, it
was for him to go uh to uh nalout because
in the comics it was just like they basically like
(39:13):
guilted him and were making fun of him. We're like
you you yeah, damned the human to hell for ten
thousand years and then yeah, so that part pretty much
was like.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
Spotted, did your girlfriend out of Hell?
Speaker 2 (39:26):
And then when they showed up.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Forgive me and she's like no.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
And then he does save her. But the whole time
the same thing where it's like Lucifer again. I mean
so I think half the people on the show were
either in Doctor Who or Game of Thrones. Well you know,
you gotta, we gotta, you gotta, you gotta make money eat,
when Lucifer is just like yep, here you go. And
(39:52):
then it's like I'm going to a beach and I'm
gonna go going.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
To the cold beaches of Dover those cold beaches.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
So yeah, overall, I think the whole thing is a
hole is enjoyable. I'll probably give me a couple of
years when there's something I need to watch and like
I could hit through because there's twenty episodes total and
be like it was. It was very well made. There
wasn't any bad points where you're like, oh my god,
that wig looks terrible.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Oh there was some wiggy moments. There was there Oh yes,
dreams long Wig I could not deal with.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Okay, that just that just looked bad.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
Bringing it back well.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
Because I think they had to show him during his
different like his.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
Different instruction, a terrible beard. In the last I was like, who.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
Oh when he came back, I would love to see
Oh my god, because they obviously.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
And his back in time WIGGI was also terrible. It
looks like a mop.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
When Destruction comes to see the New Dream and they're
walking around and he's just like, I'm showing give me
a tour this place, it's like nemb okay whatever. And
then when he's just like should I let the others
know you were here? And they're like no, because of
the whole fact is that they weren't looking for him. Yeah,
and they found him and then he left. I would
love it with like if they're in the meal and
stuff like that and like, well, destruction. He's like, well,
(41:16):
destruction was shouldn't said anything like that. What it was?
Speaker 1 (41:20):
The destruction stuff I liked, but it was ultimately unsatisfying.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
I think they did a good job in the sense
like he didn't. Could you imagine know if they would
have filmed destruction showing up to the wake walking in
and then all of a sudden like destiny and desire
and stuff like that would have been like, oh my god,
he's here. It would have taken the whole focus off
why everyone was there for the first place. So he
(41:44):
did the thing where he came, He gave his respects,
and he basically I forgot exactly what he told the
New dream.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
It was sort of just like he don't tell him anything.
He's like, what did my brother tell you about this job? Basically,
and he's like nothing, and he's like, well it's gonna
be hard.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Yeah. But because he even say he goes, I basically
went from being an infant to being an endless So
I was like, I have no you know, he didn't
even get to go on like a dream rum springer
or anything like that.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
Well, first he was thrown on the fire. Yeah, yeah,
you know, he's had a rough go of it. Daniel has,
but he seems well adjusted, right, and he's gonna have
to hit because everyone pretty much was just like Lucian
and Matthew.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
And I love that they brought Mervyn back because that's
the when they killed him. It was just like, but
they're all just like, well we were Morpheus's you know,
this is dream but it's not Morpheus. Yeah, So he's
just like he needs to do his own thing here.
So he figures about Corinthian's getting his h you know,
(42:53):
oat soiled and stuff like that now. So basically he's
gonna have to start from you know, make some mistakes.
And I would love to see how in the real
world be like, man, I've had some messed up dreams lately, like, well,
here we go.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
He seemed a little more benevolent.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Yeah, because I think that he, like they said, his
the humanity of it all is going to you know,
take over a little bit more than just the fact
that all those he's the first one. Because it also
made it seem like that the seven that were there
were not the originals like they've had They've had replacements
(43:36):
through time for a few of them, where like yeah,
so it's just like maybe there was a destiny that
we're not destiny. I think destiny is pretty much just
like the first one, and he's always going to be there,
but that other ones have they can be replaced because
they need to. Humanity needs them to, you know, just
(43:56):
keep going. So yeah, anyways, except for destruction, Yeah, because
that's sort of like humans. Humans figured out how to
do that on their own without the help of you know,
they can destroy whatever they want without any help from
anybody else.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
So and they will.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
Yes, So what man, we got a wide open thing
next week. Do we have no idea what we're gonna do?
Speaker 1 (44:22):
No, we don't. It's a surprise.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
Okay, we'll talk about are you talking to me or
are you talking to me or you're talking to everybody?
Like I like to know what we're doing too.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
So anyways, I don't make you anilateral decisions.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
No, that's true.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
Yes, all right, but when you when we do announce
what we're gonna do, you can find out on our socials.
We're on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram, and you can email
us at Spark Podcast at gmail dot com. And you
can check out all the network shows at Strandedpanda dot com.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
And we got our list of Sparks podcasts buddies with
our shows that we think that you would enjoy because
we do. And their names and links are in our
show notes, but I'll run down what they are here,
and they are across to Buy Frost the Mighty four,
Dan Any and you have questions, commute the podcast Sega
Bits Cocktails from the Cantina, Rubber First Radio Presents to
Bob bu Freaks, Jack Kirby, so we are so fun.
(45:23):
And the Star Wars Wild Universe from our very own
James Yoda, Hugh Hewings, and it's all about what Star
Wars means to you in your everyday life and just
in general. So yeah, there we go. I've been bed
in some really good overall consensus for people that followed
the High Republic all the way till the end, and
(45:44):
it reminds them a lot of like the New Jedi
Order and other things where it was like when you
have a long running thing that has some sort of
there was never any inconsistency in it, the second phase
being a you know, a prequel like a throat, like
a flashback. And then I honestly I still haven't finished
(46:06):
the last book yet. I've finished it soon. I just
have time, so I really want to read Sanctuary too.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
So I like Sanctuary.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
It was good bad Batch book.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
Yeah, so Star Wars coming.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
Up, that'll be coming up. We're going to have our
Tie Republic Phase three and overall recap in about a
month's time or so with Totten James. And again, like
you're talking about Marvel's Zombies is coming out. I just
were kind of out.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
Uh, wonder Maker, Peacemaker. We'll talk about stuff I love
aund here, but we'll figure it out.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
No, I'm looking at our list of movies that are
coming out for primers and it's like Supergirl, Worlds Tomorrow,
Armor Wars, Avengers, Doom Day Blade. I'm like, h we
probably can push Blade back because I don't even know
when that's just.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
A list, just everything goes above it. At this point,
we'll probably have to return to the Secret Wars here
in a while as well.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
So, yeah, especially because it's been a while and now
it's actually getting I think we're getting into the actual
battle world part of it, where it's like, instead of
being individual stories of all the different realms, it's going
to be like the Battle Royals.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
We're definitely in the Battle world.
Speaker 2 (47:25):
So alrighty, anything else for loving audience before we head out?
Speaker 1 (47:32):
Yeah, just book adjacent. Ashley and I are rewatching Outlander
and we are about to wrap up the first season
and that'll drop on Friday, the twenty second of August.
So if you enjoy that show, please check out our
rewatch series over there.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
Sounds good. So until next week when we have a
surprise episode for you. Remember two things, be accellent to
each other and never judge a book by its movie.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
Love you three hundred Thank you for listening to source Pages,
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