May 6, 2025 • 45 mins
Thunderbolts*, hit the big screen, and the SPaRC crew went and saw it, (duh!). Hayley and Brian review what they thought of this latest installment into the MCU and compare it with the Sentry comics that were read for the primer. Buckle up, because this is going to be a wild ride! *The New Avengers.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Right now on Source Pages, Grab your nearest peewee soccer
uniform and get ready to be on the team Thunderbolts
as we are talking about our review in comparison of
the movie and our century comics that we read. But
first it's time for the podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Welcome Back by fellow New Avengers. This is Brian B.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Klein and this is Hailey Hobbes, and this.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Is Source Pages where we talk about comics and movies
and TV shows, books as primers and all that good stuff.
And like Haley said, we are comparing Thunderbolts to the
comics we read and talking about the movie itself because
we just and it came out this.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Weekend and it was awesome.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Yes, I had a good time with it.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I think it might have been because I saw it late.
Everyone's coming out saying top five movie of all time
this and wow, and I'm like, I got to rethink
my rankings now, I'm like, I had it. There was
We could get into it later when we start talking
about the review, but there were some things where I'll
(01:26):
just say it right now, there's some things in the
in the trailer that definitely weren't in the movie, right,
Like the whole you can't call us.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
That was like, I mean, but you were right, Yeah,
you're what you predicted.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
About the New Avengers. So yeah, speaking of predictions, we're
not going to talk much about and Or I came
up with one the other day that I'm going to
hopefully see this in two weeks and this past week's
episodes or movie as you call it, the second one,
Cyril is going to somehow, somehow get in the attention
(02:01):
of Kranick. Kranick is going to actually be impressed with him,
and right at the end of this season, he's going
to get promoted to a spot on the Death Star, okay,
and then he got to get blowed up.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Yeah. I think that Cyril is either going to have
a He's either going to have a change of heart
or like start to and then he gets caught in
something and that's that's what kills him. Or I think
Edie is going to do something crazy and like she's
going to go either full Bates Motel or full misery
on him and like kill him. I love her though,
(02:40):
she's such a great character.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
But it did come out because I always was thinking too.
I mean, it was I can't remember the name of
the I s B director Tarta guys Or with a
Z him and Dedro when it was pretty much confirmed
that she's just playing him and it's sort of like
playing house to further the mission. Yeah, but if they
(03:06):
can't tell you that, and Ors takes itself too seriously.
That scene where Marty guys from are they find out
that doctor Forrest is being transferred, being shared, and the
one other agent gets too excited and he's just like,
it's just as sigmon, calm down, dude, just.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Like calibenthusiast, calibrate your enthusiast. Start using that one at work.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
And then the last line when they were walking out
spoilers for anyone who didn't see it, when Creanick was
a krenic luthen was walking out of the party and
he goes, maybe we should have just killed Krenick up there, like,
oh man, that's very funny. Yeah. It does have a
lot of but it's just this past the episode six
(03:50):
may have been the tensest, ten tense, most tense. The
tension was so.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Palpable, it was tinable.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yes, palatinoa, blew soffee.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
You're doing great things today.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Between the scenes with them on Gorman and in the
art gallery, and.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
It was just like, oh my god, oh my god,
just like it was doing. And then it was also
cutting to what was the third thing, oh, to fix
taking out doctor Gors, Right.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Well, yeah, that was that was after all that stuff
was done. Although that one was sort of just like,
I didn't even see that coming because he's just walking
in the building with his take home cake or whatever
it was from whatever. He was doing a little carry
out food he had, and as soon as he walks
in and you see someone in the corner, it's like, oh,
Bix is gonna kill him.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
And then she watched just having another nightmare at first.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
I think. But the way they extended that whole thing,
and plus they certain things I've learned and and or
and actually most of Star Wars TV on Disney Plus
do not watch the recap because they foreshadow so much
of the stuff that's going to happen, even if it wasn't.
It's not just this last episode. They were pulling stuff
(05:06):
from the first season and other things where it's just like, Okay,
you're seeing where this goes. But the way that they
pushed so much on the fact that Ghost was getting
is it gorst or forcedhs Ghurst is getting his own place.
The Navy gave him a building and stuff like that,
and uh that they were focused. Yeah. Yeah, So basically,
(05:30):
I mean a lot of those see I think we've
pretty much seen everything. That was the last scene from
the initial trailer trailer that we've never seen, so we
haven't although next week if you remember, I know you're
a big Rebels fan. Yes, season three, I think episode eighteen,
the one where they had to extract Mond mathmat because
of the Gorman situation. We're probably gonna see the live
(05:52):
action version of that because you could tell she wants
nothing to do. She walked out of the Senate chamber
where she had to do the whole old thing, which
I never knew about.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
That was kind of cool though.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Her tete a tete with Krenick in the art Gal
I'm like, oh my god, it was It's just like
you know, again we've talked about this is suspensionly disbelief
knowing that the people that you know, my Matha's not
going to die there, Krenic's not going to die there.
These people are not going to die when they are Syntha.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
I love the little nuggets we get like, that's that's
why I like this kind of storytelling, because it's like, yeah,
I know, we know what's going to happen, but like
just getting more information I think makes it makes everything
that happens around it more rich.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Oh yeah, it deepens the story. And then I was
just reading today that Diego Luna had just said, he goes,
when you get done watching episode twelve of this season,
try as soon as you can to watch Rogue one
because it'll put a lot of characters in a completely
different light.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
So it'll be cool. I wonder if we won't see
the exact Rebels scene or if it'll cut to well,
they're gonna have to cut her hair, yeah, which I
feel like is going to be explained. Is like a
disguise of some kind, even though it's a terrible disguise.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Yeah, but yeah, there's certain things they may take liberties
with because they've already done some liberties, especially with what
we know about like ah Soska and Mall during Order
sixty six at the end and then Cold War sort
of differentiated a bit on it. Have you seen and.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Even like the end of Rebels and then how they
did that scene in Ahsoka so bit different.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Yeah, so next week we'll definitely have that mont Mathma
scene with the Gorman incident and then also that the
meet cute between K two and Cassian, which we Have
you seen any of the dist release today episodes of
Tales from the Underworld? I have not, Okay, because they
all I say is they do the It does start
(07:54):
off very much with the end of the book in
a sense with Quinlan boss and obi Wan taking her
to death Amir, and it goes from there.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
So yeah, I'm gonna watch him tonight. I've just been
I was on the road most of today.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Yeah, Today's has been a really busy day for me,
and I'm afraid that I'm going to go watchdowns go
downstairs to because I watched those three episodes of a Sage.
In the first one of cad Bane, which you have
to realize that cad Bane isn't the person you think
he is in the first episode because there's one dude
that's got like the hat. It's not cad Bane. You
got to realize it's one of the kids. Is Cadbane?
(08:31):
You no, column but you could sort of tell because
he's got the voice, but it's not mechanized yet because
he doesn't have the mouth peace on. But okay, star
Wars talk. It's just I'm sorry for people that don't
like Star Wars. We talk about that this because that's like,
you know, it's going on right now. It's hard to
contain ourselves because so much good stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Well, they announced a new book this week, Star Wars
The Last Order, that's going to focus on Finn and Jana.
So that'll be fun.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Yeah. That takes place like right after Rise of Skywalker, right, yeah,
And I believe this Tuesday we get a new book
coming out, Wete Secret comes out. I just I think,
have you did you finish the Last High Republic book?
Is a light?
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (09:19):
All I can say is our fellow uh Jedi Council
member Todd SuDS you might have to eat some words
because he spoke ill about a character on.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
There and he'll get He'll get the fish yesterday.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
So we need to talk about that because that character
he did himself. At first, I always thought of that
Gild is more like a weeping angel in the sense
where you never get to see him move or talk
unless he's not you're not looking at him. Angel, A
weeping angel, a whooping angel. That's the knockoff version.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
What are you talking?
Speaker 2 (09:56):
A weeping angel from doctor who will only move when
you're not looking at them?
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Got the whooping cough over there.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
I might be coming out with something.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
But but he does.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Make the ultimate sacrifice play to spoil it for everyone.
He okay, well I don't the book's went out for
a while, has it like a month?
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Yeah, but not everybody has you know our reading speed
or like time.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Apparently, well Tid messaged me and he said, you get
he got spoiled quote unquote by looking up the Wikipedia
page of Geode and it's.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Got like the dates and we know you love him.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
But anyways, so yeah, thunderbolts.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Thunderbolts, not a thunderbolt Ross thunderbolts.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
No, but it was also what was the It was
the pee weee soccer team named.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
After Jane's tire shop.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Yeah, or as her dad thought, it was somebody else.
But I love how the fact that both of them
remember the fact that one girl took a poo on
in the field during a match.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
There's nothing quite like pre elementary school sports watching participating.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Especially playing pee wee soccer and hockey. A lot of
it is just especially a soccer it's just a ball
and ten kids.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Just running around.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
It's almost like a Charlie Brown.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
An opportunity to get some energy out.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Pretty much. It's just them running and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
So I played t ball. I didn't play soccer.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
I remember even watching some soccer too. Is basically like
that scene in Charlie Brown Christmas where the kids move
around and dirt pops up and that's all it is.
Ball barely booves and every kid is running around trying
to do something, and the other goalies sitting there playing
with the nets and they're trying to, like you, pick
the flowers and stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Yeah, weeds, yea. I loved that, like, you know, diversion
of what we were expecting on that was very funny.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Yeah, there was a lot a lot more humor in
this then. I mean, obviously it's a marvel. It's not
going to be straight up, you know, like Dark Knight
type of Yeah, you know, mcu is what caused people
are caused a superhero genre when Ironman came out, to
go back to the serious butt light hearted. It doesn't
have to be slapsticky. It doesn't have to be a comedy,
(12:17):
but it does have to have some levity broken into
the story and stuff like that in order for you.
Otherwise you're going to be sitting there going feeling like
you kill yourself.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Yeah. I mean this focused heavily on depression. Yeah, and addiction.
We didn't talk about centuries full backstort because that's not
really what we do on here, but his original backstories
that he was a meth addict, and like they went
there with that, and I thought that was cool. Oh yeah,
when he screams when he's in the chicken thing and
(12:47):
they're in the void, oh yeah, and Alexey is like,
don't hit me, and he's like, I was on math,
Like I shouldn't have laughed as loud as I did.
But it was funny.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
It was meant to take a situation. I think that
was very serious and make it a little bit more
light hearted. Especially I tell you what, though they did
give Elena did give Bob the worst advice ever. When
she's like, take those feelings you have and just push, yeah,
just keep pushing. It's like, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Don't do that. Find a person to talk to. It
doesn't have to be a license to anything, but don't
keep your emotions in like that. Everybody right, isn't healthy.
I want to I'm gonna go on a Black Widow
shpiel because all Black Widow movie haters can suck it,
because hey, we don't get this movie without the Black Widow,
(13:36):
and we don't get Elena's character. And every time they
revisit the Red Room in the MCU and talk about
or just show us, they'd hardly ever talk about it.
How they show us how dehumanizing and how horrible and
how just inhumane it is what they do to those people.
(13:57):
It just to me is like very I don't know.
There's something about the Red Room and Black Widow that
just always strikes a chord with me. And it's like
this test for Elne I was to have her friend
be murdered, yeah, of her eyes, and we relive that
with her several times in the movie, and we know
she relives it all the time, and it was just like,
I don't know, I just love when they highlight that
(14:18):
stuff because it's like, yeah, it's it's funny, and Elene
is funny and we love her, and she saved the
guinea pig, but then she is just as haunted as
Natasha was by her past.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
And I loved it, And that's kind of rare because
you almost think that in that situation, the people that
are going through the Red Room training are sort of
deprogrammed to have any kind of you know, emotions like
that other than here's your target, take it out. I mean,
the fact is that she lured her friend out into
the woods just to have the older I mean, yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
It was just like, oh, follow me. It's it was
teaching her to be manipulative and yeah, to be somebody
who could do that. You know, we see Natasha do
it all the time in the MC of you know,
catching people off guard and then doing what needs to
be done. It was just it was real and having
to like when she goes back into the void when
she's trying to find Bob and she has to relive
(15:12):
it over and over again. Like when she first turns
away and you just hear the gunshot off screen. It
made me jump because I and I knew it was coming.
I was like, God, this is so horrible. But it's
so well done, and we lose sight of that with
a lot of the other characters, but I just I
just want to highlight that because I thought it was awesome.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Yeah, the fact is that she was even once you
went back in there to you know, start the whole
almost made it think like that way. The resolution on
how they got the void to stop was like not
quite like oh the power of friendship, you know, it
(15:51):
was more of like a power like to support your
support system is there for you?
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Yeah, literally, to show him that he's not alone.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Right, especially because he got he was manipulated enough. I
think because of the whole you know, the whole scene
with him, the whole scene in that bunker safe place
where they've sent all of them. By the way, oh
my god, task Master had like what two scenes, Yeah, we'll.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Talk about you know what.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
But then like when Bob sits there and that the
scene where they're climbing up the silo was hilarious. And
then just even after that, him not knowing anything afterwards,
and then my god, why can I always forget Contessa's name?
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Now?
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Is a p s. She is so terrible and the
fact that she manipulated him to the point of him
turning on the people that were his friends. But then
all of a sudden he turns and goes, wait a second, yeah,
you keep telling me I'm a god and I'm more
powerful than all the Avengers. Why do I need you for? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (17:04):
I love what she's like ash shit. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
And then the one saving grace of that was her
assistant was pretty much like I don't know, but that
she had a moral compass that was so towards the
right way. She finally realized that, Yeah when ox Corps
by the way, I had to keep thinking that it
was Oscorp. And they're not bringing that in yet. But
(17:27):
now at least we know who bought the Avengers towel. Yes,
so uh, there was a lot of the that the
underlying thing about trust and like mental health, I mean
everybody there. I still would like to know why Ghost
became the way she was if she wasn't, I mean
(17:47):
when she got stabilized by uh Goliath and why she
ended up having to become like a mercenary for well.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
It's like all she knows, you know, like what do
you do when you know maybe she and Bill Foster
had a party in the ways or something, and right
she's like, what do I do? I don't have skills.
I don't have my skills or what Shield gave me
and Chield gave me skills to be a mercenary to
be a spy, so I could see it just being
that simple. I liked how much of a hot mess
she was, though she wasn't as like serious and angry
(18:18):
as she was an ant man in the Wasp, which
you know rightfully so, but she was just kind of messy.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Yeah, you know, she was just like, I can't just
do that because if i'm I can hold it for
like thirty seconds, and if I come out, I might
be underground and then I'll die. And just equipping between
it made it this definitely humanized John Walker's character. He
still is terrible too, because they pulled him off saying
he's like, you're not Captain Mary, you literally murdered in
(18:45):
front of everyone, innocent person.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
So the one problem I did have at the end,
and I said this, it was right near to the end,
was when they all come out and val has that
press conference up and Elena comes right into her ear
and says like, we own you now, right into the microphones,
and now everybody had to have heard that, Like it's
(19:09):
just like, okay, is you know we're the they're the
new Avengers.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Because as well, I want to.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Think how much of that part might be because I
did find out too that they said that the Russo
brothers filmed the end credit scene while they were just
recently when they were filming Dooms started filming Doomsday. So
and by the way, I got spoiled by someone mentioning
the final scene in the end credit scene in the
(19:38):
starting to Panda chat because they brought up the Fantastic Four.
But if you look, if you're watching the credits, they
mentioned the Fantastic Four first Steps music as a credit
and I'm going, like, I saw that come up, and
then I basically got Liz's attention to turn away from
the screen because I mean, that's the damn said, that's
(19:58):
the longest end credit. It's two and a half minutes long.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Yeah, it was length.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
So they were just talking about I mean, it was
pretty much pulling your focus away because Red Guardian was
just like trying to sport his new Avengers with the di.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Z, with the or whatever.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
I don't know how much Bucky and Sam would have
that much of a falling out over the Avengers name.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
I mean a lot of yah yan about that, and
I my thing is just like this is always what
happens in comics, Like there's always gonna be some kind
of discord when there's multiple teams, and it's just a
way to create a way for them to have to
be apart and then come back together, as.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Long as there's not the Great Lake Avengers, because those
guys are always worth this. Although we do find out
that the Fantastic Four it was coming, it was a
multi dimensional shift, So I mean the quantum realms in
a different dimension, right, So or it's that would be.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
A they're definitely realm.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Well, I'm just thinking that that's the reason how they
were able to be away for sixty some years and
come back. And I'm assuming that the Fantastic before. Yeah, oh,
I'm assuming.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
They're not they're on a different world. They're in a
different reality or whatever. They're coming to six one six
from some other reality.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Okay, but I'm still thinking that the timeframes might sort
of line up a bit instead of it being like
they go from their Earth in nineteen sixty something to
come to twenty twenty six or whatever. Yeah, twenty five.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
I mean, for all we know their planet is perpetually
in the nineteen sixties. You know, it's like that's true
as we saw the Multiverse of Madness.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
What was the mid credits scene, trying to think what it.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Was credits was.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
I can't think of what it had something to do with.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
This is bad. This is a bad sign for.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Because it wasn't even mid credit.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
It was just like it was right after the like
main credits over.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Yeah, I mean it was. It was really quick. Hold
on a second, I'm going to this is bad.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Our brains are deteriorating. Obviously, it wasn't very I remember
it was not very like consequential at all.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Everyone points out, Uh, okay, I'm just saying that his
two end credit scenes, the Thunderballs brings together. Why did
they Uh they didn't really they said the way that
they're going to oh the Wheaties box.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Oh yes. I was thinking it was something with Alexei
and I was like, I can't remember with him.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
That's so I'm assuming the asterisk next to Thunderbolts because
it was asterisk New Avengers. Yeah, okay, because I remember
there being a big to do excuse me from when
they changed the asterisk from a six point asterisk to
a five point asterisk.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
I didn't even know that was the thing that happened.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
They get the last trailer, and I'm assuming that was
because from six to five because Taskmaster lasted for like nothing.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Right away, and I saw people being mad about it.
I'm like, well, if you were mad about that, you
were probably mad about how they did task Master anyway,
So you should be happy because now they can just
redo the character if they want to. And I was
so call her task Master.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Pretty much?
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Was it just merchandising?
Speaker 2 (23:29):
All it was was basically like she comes in their room,
says hi, Elena, and then they fight and I'm worse.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
I mean, like from Black Widow do they even ever
call oh?
Speaker 2 (23:41):
I think they it was like the task Master program
or something. I think see it.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Can totally be adopted by somebody else. Everybody calmed down.
It's comic book movies.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Everything happened with her so fast that I didn't even
realize she was dead until they started talking about the
dead p I'm like, I'm looking around, going and seeing
what was going on, and all of a sudden it was like, no, wait,
she's been on the screen for literally like two scenes.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Yeah, and they didn't like Olga curly On Curry Lnko
did not even come in, like they put her face
on that that person and that was it. Yeah, she says,
I'm not here for you to Yolena.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Okay, so I'm just like and then they fight. I'm like,
I don't even remember how she died, so.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
One straight to the brain courtesy.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Of Ava Okay.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
I didn't love that. I didn't. I didn't love the
role of the assistant to Vowel. She her turn is
too fast, so it doesn't really make any sense to me. Uh.
She was funny, like when Bucky gives her a business card,
She's like, what is this your trash? Like that made
me laugh really hard. But like her, she just wasn't
(24:53):
she just she wasn't She should have been completely bought
into Vowel and then had a hard turn, but she
was just kind of wishy washy.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
So I'd love the I think that she was around
for enough that Val trusted her with this stuff, but
she also when she had that when Val basically told
her to get her ship together. But her point of
this whole thing was pretty much, I think, to give
the information that was going on everything.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
To Bucky kind of thing. The role was kind of
weak on That role was a little weak in my opinion,
not that the actress did a bad job or anything
like that. Just could have been could have been a
little stronger.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Yeah. I think basically it was the moral opposite of
Valve for her being just such a I mean that
scene at the beginning part where he was just, uh,
I can't think of the guy's name, but he's did
a whole bunch of sitcoms, the guy that was the
Senate chair that was calling her miss Fontaine, and she's like,
uh no, it's Fontaine, you don't call him minister offense.
(25:56):
But yeah, by the end of it, it was just like,
I can't stand Julia. Louis Dreyvis played the character so
well that it was just like, we know that she's
not a good person in the comics and even what
we've seen so far in the movies, like she got
elated to think that you know, this is Hawkeye was
the one that killed her sister. Wasn't the case, but
(26:20):
she's so manipulative. By the end of it, it was
just like, man, I wouldn't have been surprised that if
they would have, because they were I think they were
ready to know, they were ready to kill her. Yeah,
and then Bucky's like, we got to bring her in.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Yeah, we need her for we need her for a
trial basically, and then she had a trial of her
own setup. I was like, of course she has the
press there. That was a good moment.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
I liked the scene when they were fleeing the bunker
and they're walking across the wastelands and stuff and you
just hear and see the limo coming, which, by the way,
his his tagline which was like broken English. Anyway, it
was like, you know, the whatever it was keeping the
(27:04):
keeping the party.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Going, parting something. Yeah, it was just missing some articles
or whatever.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Yeah, and then she's like, oh my god, this is
my dad and then her just being so embarrassed by
and then when with their shoulder shows up and he's
so fascinating. It's like he's like yes, yes, like they
took out the ox Core guys. And then he throws
a bomb on their thing too to get him to stop.
And uh, John Walker, I mean he was there was
(27:33):
this stuff too where he was sitting there trying to
turn on the bulletproof glass and alsoden you just hear
pony by genuine.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
That will be the song for our Instagram posts. So
I hope everybody's okay with that.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Yeah, just flipping his switches like, what's going on here?
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Where is the driving.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Bulletproof ish.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Not bulletproof?
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Yeah, it was. There was no bulletproof anything to it.
I mean, bulletproof vehicle is like what Nick Fury had
in Winter Soldier that was bulletproof, that was like mortar proof.
This thing was just a vehicle. That was it. Yep.
So trying to think what else. I mean, obviously you
could tell I there was. There was a few parts
(28:13):
of it where I was just sort of like, okay,
I mean I did enjoy the characterization of Bob Sentry
void and him dropping you know, hints to who he
was going to become. And I do one who think
I believe it was Ashley Coffin who was saying, is
that don't listen to the Primer or get too much
(28:35):
on the character before the movie, because it does give
away a lot of a lot of people didn't know
what centry or Bob was capable of that the opposite
side of him is the void, which, by the way,
kudos to like in the Primer at the end when
he's sitting there reading the book and he's like, yep,
can't have him because the other guy's gonna come up
to so nailed it again, You're like, Okay, I'm good here,
(28:59):
you know, especially with him being as overpowered. I still
know what the the kill switch. That whole situation with
the kill switch where she didn't have it, but then
also she had had to control for it, and she.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Must have thought that that would kill him, but she
didn't know about the void.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
So no, but I think didn't she say to the
assistant like we didn't have time or something, we had
to shut down, So she didn't know if the kill
switch was or maybe they it was just a control
that they didn't have. So by the time they got that,
and then they were in the where they lured the
uh when the thunderbolts broke into the bottom of like
(29:41):
the Bobby of Avenger's tower.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
You guys, I left the door open for it.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Yeah, come upstairs. I mean it's another trap, yeah, leading
him into the And then the first thing, like I
think everyone noticed it, Neil is like, did you dye
your hair? And he's like, yeah, she thought it was.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
You know how long I spent on the hair because
then the and he's like, I just I don't know
if I like the hair, and like then him and
Julia Louis Dreyfus going back and forth about the it's
not about the hair, you keep bringing it up, so
it seems like like it's so good. For the most part,
the writing was really really really on part. I thought
it was very funny, but very I mean I cried
(30:17):
like two or three times watching this.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
It has that emotional like just the the shifts back
and forth where even there's times when they were talking about,
you know, the the mental illness stuff that it's just
everybody had something seriously bad going on with them, and
then they would shift it with most of the time
(30:40):
it was Alexei saying something stupid, right and then reacting
to it. I did feel bad in a sense too,
where you know, John Walker was playing up this family
man type thing and then when they were sitting there.
I love the fact too that the way that Bucky
had them tied up was like he just had like
they were tied up with like the rebar and stuff
(31:03):
just scrapped around him and he was strong enough to
hold Cap down or John Walker down. But that's when
he called him out and he's like, yeah, your wife
left and took the kid with you, and looking at
him like really been.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Lying to us well, and then Yolena when she throws
that in his face. I was like, oh damn, like
that's not okay girl, but she was so Yeah, everybody's
depressed in this movie. That's kind of all there is
to it.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Yeah, and they were they're fighting for something, and especially too,
like when you, I mean, could you can imagine the
hell that people would go through, especially because we only
get to see a few of them when they get
sucked into the void. Is this that's them? This perpetual,
never ending nightmare scene of something.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Rooms of shame.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Yeah, Like with Yolena and the vodka and her just
being like I almost thought was yeah when they thought
they stopped them, and that little girl is like thank
you for seeing and then she just disappeared.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Okay. Now I'm not saying we should be killing children
in movies, but everybody came back and that was kind
of like, well, all right, like we didn't lose anybody.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
No, it was the point. It was just that that
part of the narrative where you realize this is the
is for as strong and opie as century is that
power can be turned one eighty and the Void has
that power to just literally and.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Worse because he has all of centuries physical powers and
then he I loved I loved the metaphor that it's
the physical manifestation of depression, like because I think that's
probably exactly how it feels and what it can look like.
It's just this darkness, right, you have this darkness that
(32:44):
just overtakes you in the way it was overtaking Manhattan
and just crawling up the buildings, Like even at the
beginning of the movie when they were doing the Marvel
Studio's logo and it just drips down with that black
I was like, Oh, oh, what are we in for?
Because I think we didn't all one hundred percent know
what Thunderbolts was going to be, and I know that
what they did with it was so unexpected and that's
(33:05):
why it's so great.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
I think when they at least for our discussions and
our predictions, was that when we knew that Century was
going to be a big part, it was going to
be the century void type thing, not realizing that that
was sort of like the b villain plot where the
main villain of this movie is val I mean, I'm
just getting like her being manipulative, she has no powers,
(33:28):
but going back to the void. That was just the
way he was just completely dark shadows, and his eyes
were just these little tiny red pin pricks where you
could tell that this isn't just someone in shadow that's
going to come out. This is basically a living it's
a void, and it does have a little bit of humanity,
(33:48):
but it's not the right humanity.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
It's the I call evil humanity.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Yeah, but he'd never did like that cat. He was
just basically being just like, I'm this is how I feel,
and this is what I'm gonna do about it, you know.
And then basically at the end with them all in
that room being this like the power of it's basically
like how you could I took it as like the
power of positivity, where because Elena basically says, like you said,
(34:17):
worst advice ever to push it down, and then she realizes, yeah,
I screwed up. That's wrong. You got to deal with everything.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
And then finally she says, I'm here, You're not alone, right.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Yeah, So she's saying, is that you know have to
go through. All of us are like this. But then
when it all when they all show back up in
Manhattan and they realized they're going to go after Vail,
and Bob's just like what happened? What was like, oh no,
not again.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
But he must figure it out at some point. I
feel like that's a short term memory loss thing. Yeah,
because then, like you said on the post credit scene,
he's like, yeah, you know, I can't help because I
just otherwise they're both there.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
This has and I saw someone that had meme or
a picture that says the Disney Plus show you didn't
know we needed, and it was Bob and Mark Spector.
It's just like the it's not I.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Called it a flare double feature.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Yeah, pretty much, just like this is how you deal
with something where you can't get you're you literally are
out of your own body, which, by the way, it's
not he doesn't have like buyer tripolar. It's like a
dissociative this or this associative identity disorder, which is.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Not the same thing as what Mark Spector has, right.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
No, I mean but he's I mean, well, Mark's uh.
Bob seems to be aware of the other things when
he there, but when Mark Spector became Moonnight and the
other personalities, he doesn't know about the other personalities at first.
He's just is like he switches. He's like, how did
I get here? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (35:50):
I think that like Mark, those are Mark's altars, and
for some reason the Century Void thing is different than that. Yeah,
but it's really hard to kind of wrap your mind around.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Right, It's not like they were away. I mean, we
don't know much that much about Bob yet to know
how much because, like we said, when he comes out
of it and is Bob again on the which, by
the way, it's sort of like Century was killed for
all we know, became the Void. The Void was killed
or stopped. He came to terms with that, and then
he became Bob again. Yeah, so, but he had no idea,
(36:24):
so he must have either seen the stuff or was
told the stuff or stuff started creeping back because it
was a fourteen month gap, so enough stuff could happen
where he's just like, yep, I'm not doing the Century
things still. When that was funny too, because when he
comes when Alexei comes in in the post credits scene
and they're all sitting there talking about how they have
to change their name because Sam copyright them, suing them
(36:46):
to the Avengers, and then Alexi's got the Z on
it and he's just up at the window being like
still reading the book. Yep, I'm not century because I
don't want the other guy to come out.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
To part of the team. Still.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Yeah, because I mean he pretty much didn't know any
better or know anything else, because for longest he was
just like.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Oh, there's something because they'll need to explain it more
in the future. Because he does, like when he wakes
up in the bedroom and the tower with val and
she is talking to him and he holds her hand
and sees her darkest memory. He when they come back,
he says, I can control it. So I think there
is an awareness there. I think it's just to me.
(37:26):
It's almost like, is this more of a choice type situation?
Speaker 2 (37:30):
It depends on he knows. Bob knows something's wrong, but
he's not.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
He doesn't necessarily like exactly what happened, but he knows
that something he's doing is harmful.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Yeah, yeah, like or and then because when he comes
out of it, he like what happens. He knows at least.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
He like when it happens with Elena, he kind of
looks at her like, yeah, I did that, but I
don't know what I did kind of a thing. And
the same thing with John Walker, so they I it's
okay to leave it and big Us, but I think
it would be better if they would clarify it a
little more. In the future.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Yeah, I think he's definitely going to be a character
that's going to be needed to go forward with what
we're seeing is coming in. Then what's the next I'm
trying to think right now, what's the the next movie
we've got coming out of I mean, okay, we got
the Fantastic Four in July.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
After that we've got that's the last movie of the.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Year, right so I'm thinking what the next.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
One iron Heart between now and Fantastic Four, and then
at the end of the year it's more of the
like like Wakanda Forever and Marvel Zombies and wonder Man.
I'm still we'll see if wonder Man comes out. I'm
still I'm still sketchy on that one.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Now, this makes me think here about like what the
empty you release order the because I'm thin and after
Fantastic Four, is doomsday in the next movie?
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Then that's what we know right now. But I think that,
oh yeah, and I think they are going to roll
back again, you know, on the how much stuff they're
putting out.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
So because next year we've got I mean, we've got
Fantastic Four in July, and then next year we've got
Avengers Doomsday in May and Spider Man Brave New World
at the end of.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
July, Spider Man Brave New World.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Or brand New, Brand New Day. Sorry, and I was
just looking at Captain America Brave New World in this
list here.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
Brand New Day, say earlier?
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Who the uh?
Speaker 1 (39:40):
I forgot? You know what that was?
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Whooping?
Speaker 1 (39:45):
We don't record on Sundays.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
No, by the way, for anyone that observes it, it's
a Star Wars day. So made a fourth be with you?
Speaker 1 (39:53):
Indeed, yes, as you. Yeah, So we don't know like
any of the shows real for next year, stuff like that,
So we'll see, we'll see what they've got.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Yeah, we've got a next trying to think what what
comes out first, or Fantastic four comes out first, and
then oh no, I think we'll do a Superman one
before Fantastic five.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
I believe. Yeah, I believe Superman comes out because it's
July sixth.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Right, July eleventh for Superman and then two weeks later
for Fantastic Four.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
Maybe Jurassic comes out earlier.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
I did see when we were watching the previews that like,
the new Mission Impossible movie comes out the same day
as Leelo and Stitch and also something else, and I'm like,
my god, they're really heavy loading memor of the weekend
this year.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Yeah well I think, I mean, really well.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
It's two different target audiences. But it's also like parents
going to see Mission Impossible or parents taking their kids
to go see Lelo and Stitch.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
So why not ye both? Yeah, this summer at the
movies is gonna be pretty awesome.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
So yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
Yeah it was. I loved Thunderbolts. I want to watch
it again so that things will sink in a little
more this time, probably, but I really appreciated the message.
I do wonder about Sam's team, and it's Sam more
like working with Kamala con and are they raising like champions?
(41:31):
So are they going to change their new Avengers to
be champions or is this team going to become the champions?
Speaker 2 (41:36):
And now on the penns though, because we don't know
exactly when, I mean, we Are'm assuming that this takes
place right after the tell, like a month after Yeah,
Captain America, because they mentioned, you know, Thunderbolt Ross going
full red.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
So our next year's show is going to be all
set in not fourteen months, right.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Because that jumps ahead a lot, because it really pretty
much hasn't done anything since the end of you know,
since WandaVision. It's pretty much only progressed like six months
to a year in the timeline as far as that's
five years now, four years now, so.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
We'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
Yeah. So, so if you have questions or comments about
this or any other stuff coming up, you know how
to get a hold of us, but Haley will tell
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And speaking of shows, we've got a list of ours
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should listen to because we like them. The links and
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Radio presents The bob Oufreaks, Jack Kirby, So Weird, So Fun,
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and the Star Wars Wyo Universe, which is hosted by
very own James Hewings. And I want to apologize on
there too for forgetting to send in our monthly stuff
for James's podcast. I don't won't we've done in Star
Wars because we were talking about it and on our
chat and then Todd brought up Geode and uh, it
sort of derailed the whole thing. I completely forgot about
(43:18):
it until Hayley mentioned is like, oh he dropped the
new episode and we forgot the Son of a Gun.
I've done a lot of Star Wars stuff too.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
So you have to make up for next month.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
Yeah, I'll just say what have been the last two months?
So anyway, So we'll be back next week with what
Daredevil Born again? Reviewing Dearson, remember that show.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
We're going to talk about it.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
Again, and then I think after that we'll probably have
our and or review in comparison because that'll be over
with that time too. So then after that, who knows,
because it'll be.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
Summertime going on.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
So yes, we've.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
Been trying to meet filler. That'll be that.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
We've been trying to get that in. It looks like
we're doing like multiple episodes per our recordings because it's
it's kind of hard to schedule someone that's six hours
ahead of us, and we weekends and it's when it dropped.
I still have you. It's Sunday evening right now. I
saw him and they had time to watch. Yeah, I
know that's me, not a pure Huban. So anyways, I
(44:15):
found out that Ryan Gosling is a huge, huge Hubian though,
because Shooty was on Jimmy Kimmel and he was talking
about how he was on the Barbie Barbie when they
announced it, and Gosling came running over and is like,
are you kidding me?
Speaker 1 (44:34):
And Shooty's back phone background is a picture of Ryan
Gosly wearing some kind of doctor who shirt about him.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
I think, right, yeah, it's Ryan Gosling wearing a shirt
that he actually made that he made up with Shooty
as the doctor, which is something he wouldn't because it's
too like traditional doctor, where Shooty is anything but traditional doctor.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
So it's funny.
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Yeah. Anyways, so until next week until you hear from
us again. Remember two things be excellent to each other,
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Right now on Source Pages, Grab your nearest peewee soccer
uniform and get ready to be on the team Thunderbolts
as we are talking about our review in comparison of
the movie and our century comics that we read. But
first it's time for the podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Welcome Back by fellow New Avengers. This is Brian B.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Klein and this is Hailey Hobbes, and this.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Is Source Pages where we talk about comics and movies
and TV shows, books as primers and all that good stuff.
And like Haley said, we are comparing Thunderbolts to the
comics we read and talking about the movie itself because
we just and it came out this.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Weekend and it was awesome.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Yes, I had a good time with it.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I think it might have been because I saw it late.
Everyone's coming out saying top five movie of all time
this and wow, and I'm like, I got to rethink
my rankings now, I'm like, I had it. There was
We could get into it later when we start talking
about the review, but there were some things where I'll
(01:26):
just say it right now, there's some things in the
in the trailer that definitely weren't in the movie, right,
Like the whole you can't call us.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
That was like, I mean, but you were right, Yeah,
you're what you predicted.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
About the New Avengers. So yeah, speaking of predictions, we're
not going to talk much about and Or I came
up with one the other day that I'm going to
hopefully see this in two weeks and this past week's
episodes or movie as you call it, the second one,
Cyril is going to somehow, somehow get in the attention
(02:01):
of Kranick. Kranick is going to actually be impressed with him,
and right at the end of this season, he's going
to get promoted to a spot on the Death Star, okay,
and then he got to get blowed up.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Yeah. I think that Cyril is either going to have
a He's either going to have a change of heart
or like start to and then he gets caught in
something and that's that's what kills him. Or I think
Edie is going to do something crazy and like she's
going to go either full Bates Motel or full misery
on him and like kill him. I love her though,
(02:40):
she's such a great character.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
But it did come out because I always was thinking too.
I mean, it was I can't remember the name of
the I s B director Tarta guys Or with a
Z him and Dedro when it was pretty much confirmed
that she's just playing him and it's sort of like
playing house to further the mission. Yeah, but if they
(03:06):
can't tell you that, and Ors takes itself too seriously.
That scene where Marty guys from are they find out
that doctor Forrest is being transferred, being shared, and the
one other agent gets too excited and he's just like,
it's just as sigmon, calm down, dude, just.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Like calibenthusiast, calibrate your enthusiast. Start using that one at work.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
And then the last line when they were walking out
spoilers for anyone who didn't see it, when Creanick was
a krenic luthen was walking out of the party and
he goes, maybe we should have just killed Krenick up there, like,
oh man, that's very funny. Yeah. It does have a
lot of but it's just this past the episode six
(03:50):
may have been the tensest, ten tense, most tense. The
tension was so.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Palpable, it was tinable.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yes, palatinoa, blew soffee.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
You're doing great things today.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Between the scenes with them on Gorman and in the
art gallery, and.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
It was just like, oh my god, oh my god,
just like it was doing. And then it was also
cutting to what was the third thing, oh, to fix
taking out doctor Gors, Right.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Well, yeah, that was that was after all that stuff
was done. Although that one was sort of just like,
I didn't even see that coming because he's just walking
in the building with his take home cake or whatever
it was from whatever. He was doing a little carry
out food he had, and as soon as he walks
in and you see someone in the corner, it's like, oh,
Bix is gonna kill him.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
And then she watched just having another nightmare at first.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
I think. But the way they extended that whole thing,
and plus they certain things I've learned and and or
and actually most of Star Wars TV on Disney Plus
do not watch the recap because they foreshadow so much
of the stuff that's going to happen, even if it wasn't.
It's not just this last episode. They were pulling stuff
(05:06):
from the first season and other things where it's just like, Okay,
you're seeing where this goes. But the way that they
pushed so much on the fact that Ghost was getting
is it gorst or forcedhs Ghurst is getting his own place.
The Navy gave him a building and stuff like that,
and uh that they were focused. Yeah. Yeah, So basically,
(05:30):
I mean a lot of those see I think we've
pretty much seen everything. That was the last scene from
the initial trailer trailer that we've never seen, so we
haven't although next week if you remember, I know you're
a big Rebels fan. Yes, season three, I think episode eighteen,
the one where they had to extract Mond mathmat because
of the Gorman situation. We're probably gonna see the live
(05:52):
action version of that because you could tell she wants
nothing to do. She walked out of the Senate chamber
where she had to do the whole old thing, which
I never knew about.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
That was kind of cool though.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Her tete a tete with Krenick in the art Gal
I'm like, oh my god, it was It's just like
you know, again we've talked about this is suspensionly disbelief
knowing that the people that you know, my Matha's not
going to die there, Krenic's not going to die there.
These people are not going to die when they are Syntha.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
I love the little nuggets we get like, that's that's
why I like this kind of storytelling, because it's like, yeah,
I know, we know what's going to happen, but like
just getting more information I think makes it makes everything
that happens around it more rich.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Oh yeah, it deepens the story. And then I was
just reading today that Diego Luna had just said, he goes,
when you get done watching episode twelve of this season,
try as soon as you can to watch Rogue one
because it'll put a lot of characters in a completely
different light.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
So it'll be cool. I wonder if we won't see
the exact Rebels scene or if it'll cut to well,
they're gonna have to cut her hair, yeah, which I
feel like is going to be explained. Is like a
disguise of some kind, even though it's a terrible disguise.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Yeah, but yeah, there's certain things they may take liberties
with because they've already done some liberties, especially with what
we know about like ah Soska and Mall during Order
sixty six at the end and then Cold War sort
of differentiated a bit on it. Have you seen and.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Even like the end of Rebels and then how they
did that scene in Ahsoka so bit different.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Yeah, so next week we'll definitely have that mont Mathma
scene with the Gorman incident and then also that the
meet cute between K two and Cassian, which we Have
you seen any of the dist release today episodes of
Tales from the Underworld? I have not, Okay, because they
all I say is they do the It does start
(07:54):
off very much with the end of the book in
a sense with Quinlan boss and obi Wan taking her
to death Amir, and it goes from there.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
So yeah, I'm gonna watch him tonight. I've just been
I was on the road most of today.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Yeah, Today's has been a really busy day for me,
and I'm afraid that I'm going to go watchdowns go
downstairs to because I watched those three episodes of a Sage.
In the first one of cad Bane, which you have
to realize that cad Bane isn't the person you think
he is in the first episode because there's one dude
that's got like the hat. It's not cad Bane. You
got to realize it's one of the kids. Is Cadbane?
(08:31):
You no, column but you could sort of tell because
he's got the voice, but it's not mechanized yet because
he doesn't have the mouth peace on. But okay, star
Wars talk. It's just I'm sorry for people that don't
like Star Wars. We talk about that this because that's like,
you know, it's going on right now. It's hard to
contain ourselves because so much good stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Well, they announced a new book this week, Star Wars
The Last Order, that's going to focus on Finn and Jana.
So that'll be fun.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Yeah. That takes place like right after Rise of Skywalker, right, yeah,
And I believe this Tuesday we get a new book
coming out, Wete Secret comes out. I just I think,
have you did you finish the Last High Republic book?
Is a light?
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (09:19):
All I can say is our fellow uh Jedi Council
member Todd SuDS you might have to eat some words
because he spoke ill about a character on.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
There and he'll get He'll get the fish yesterday.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
So we need to talk about that because that character
he did himself. At first, I always thought of that
Gild is more like a weeping angel in the sense
where you never get to see him move or talk
unless he's not you're not looking at him. Angel, A
weeping angel, a whooping angel. That's the knockoff version.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
What are you talking?
Speaker 2 (09:56):
A weeping angel from doctor who will only move when
you're not looking at them?
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Got the whooping cough over there.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
I might be coming out with something.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
But but he does.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Make the ultimate sacrifice play to spoil it for everyone.
He okay, well I don't the book's went out for
a while, has it like a month?
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Yeah, but not everybody has you know our reading speed
or like time.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Apparently, well Tid messaged me and he said, you get
he got spoiled quote unquote by looking up the Wikipedia
page of Geode and it's.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Got like the dates and we know you love him.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
But anyways, so yeah, thunderbolts.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Thunderbolts, not a thunderbolt Ross thunderbolts.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
No, but it was also what was the It was
the pee weee soccer team named.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
After Jane's tire shop.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Yeah, or as her dad thought, it was somebody else.
But I love how the fact that both of them
remember the fact that one girl took a poo on
in the field during a match.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
There's nothing quite like pre elementary school sports watching participating.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Especially playing pee wee soccer and hockey. A lot of
it is just especially a soccer it's just a ball
and ten kids.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Just running around.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
It's almost like a Charlie Brown.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
An opportunity to get some energy out.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Pretty much. It's just them running and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
So I played t ball. I didn't play soccer.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
I remember even watching some soccer too. Is basically like
that scene in Charlie Brown Christmas where the kids move
around and dirt pops up and that's all it is.
Ball barely booves and every kid is running around trying
to do something, and the other goalies sitting there playing
with the nets and they're trying to, like you, pick
the flowers and stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Yeah, weeds, yea. I loved that, like, you know, diversion
of what we were expecting on that was very funny.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Yeah, there was a lot a lot more humor in
this then. I mean, obviously it's a marvel. It's not
going to be straight up, you know, like Dark Knight
type of Yeah, you know, mcu is what caused people
are caused a superhero genre when Ironman came out, to
go back to the serious butt light hearted. It doesn't
have to be slapsticky. It doesn't have to be a comedy,
(12:17):
but it does have to have some levity broken into
the story and stuff like that in order for you.
Otherwise you're going to be sitting there going feeling like
you kill yourself.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Yeah. I mean this focused heavily on depression. Yeah, and addiction.
We didn't talk about centuries full backstort because that's not
really what we do on here, but his original backstories
that he was a meth addict, and like they went
there with that, and I thought that was cool. Oh yeah,
when he screams when he's in the chicken thing and
(12:47):
they're in the void, oh yeah, and Alexey is like,
don't hit me, and he's like, I was on math,
Like I shouldn't have laughed as loud as I did.
But it was funny.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
It was meant to take a situation. I think that
was very serious and make it a little bit more
light hearted. Especially I tell you what, though they did
give Elena did give Bob the worst advice ever. When
she's like, take those feelings you have and just push, yeah,
just keep pushing. It's like, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Don't do that. Find a person to talk to. It
doesn't have to be a license to anything, but don't
keep your emotions in like that. Everybody right, isn't healthy.
I want to I'm gonna go on a Black Widow
shpiel because all Black Widow movie haters can suck it,
because hey, we don't get this movie without the Black Widow,
(13:36):
and we don't get Elena's character. And every time they
revisit the Red Room in the MCU and talk about
or just show us, they'd hardly ever talk about it.
How they show us how dehumanizing and how horrible and
how just inhumane it is what they do to those people.
(13:57):
It just to me is like very I don't know.
There's something about the Red Room and Black Widow that
just always strikes a chord with me. And it's like
this test for Elne I was to have her friend
be murdered, yeah, of her eyes, and we relive that
with her several times in the movie, and we know
she relives it all the time, and it was just like,
I don't know, I just love when they highlight that
(14:18):
stuff because it's like, yeah, it's it's funny, and Elene
is funny and we love her, and she saved the
guinea pig, but then she is just as haunted as
Natasha was by her past.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
And I loved it, And that's kind of rare because
you almost think that in that situation, the people that
are going through the Red Room training are sort of
deprogrammed to have any kind of you know, emotions like
that other than here's your target, take it out. I mean,
the fact is that she lured her friend out into
the woods just to have the older I mean, yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
It was just like, oh, follow me. It's it was
teaching her to be manipulative and yeah, to be somebody
who could do that. You know, we see Natasha do
it all the time in the MC of you know,
catching people off guard and then doing what needs to
be done. It was just it was real and having
to like when she goes back into the void when
she's trying to find Bob and she has to relive
(15:12):
it over and over again. Like when she first turns
away and you just hear the gunshot off screen. It
made me jump because I and I knew it was coming.
I was like, God, this is so horrible. But it's
so well done, and we lose sight of that with
a lot of the other characters, but I just I
just want to highlight that because I thought it was awesome.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Yeah, the fact is that she was even once you
went back in there to you know, start the whole
almost made it think like that way. The resolution on
how they got the void to stop was like not
quite like oh the power of friendship, you know, it
(15:51):
was more of like a power like to support your
support system is there for you?
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Yeah, literally, to show him that he's not alone.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Right, especially because he got he was manipulated enough. I
think because of the whole you know, the whole scene
with him, the whole scene in that bunker safe place
where they've sent all of them. By the way, oh
my god, task Master had like what two scenes, Yeah, we'll.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Talk about you know what.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
But then like when Bob sits there and that the
scene where they're climbing up the silo was hilarious. And
then just even after that, him not knowing anything afterwards,
and then my god, why can I always forget Contessa's name?
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Now?
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Is a p s. She is so terrible and the
fact that she manipulated him to the point of him
turning on the people that were his friends. But then
all of a sudden he turns and goes, wait a second, yeah,
you keep telling me I'm a god and I'm more
powerful than all the Avengers. Why do I need you for? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (17:04):
I love what she's like ash shit. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
And then the one saving grace of that was her
assistant was pretty much like I don't know, but that
she had a moral compass that was so towards the
right way. She finally realized that, Yeah when ox Corps
by the way, I had to keep thinking that it
was Oscorp. And they're not bringing that in yet. But
(17:27):
now at least we know who bought the Avengers towel. Yes,
so uh, there was a lot of the that the
underlying thing about trust and like mental health, I mean
everybody there. I still would like to know why Ghost
became the way she was if she wasn't, I mean
(17:47):
when she got stabilized by uh Goliath and why she
ended up having to become like a mercenary for well.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
It's like all she knows, you know, like what do
you do when you know maybe she and Bill Foster
had a party in the ways or something, and right
she's like, what do I do? I don't have skills.
I don't have my skills or what Shield gave me
and Chield gave me skills to be a mercenary to
be a spy, so I could see it just being
that simple. I liked how much of a hot mess
she was, though she wasn't as like serious and angry
(18:18):
as she was an ant man in the Wasp, which
you know rightfully so, but she was just kind of messy.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Yeah, you know, she was just like, I can't just
do that because if i'm I can hold it for
like thirty seconds, and if I come out, I might
be underground and then I'll die. And just equipping between
it made it this definitely humanized John Walker's character. He
still is terrible too, because they pulled him off saying
he's like, you're not Captain Mary, you literally murdered in
(18:45):
front of everyone, innocent person.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
So the one problem I did have at the end,
and I said this, it was right near to the end,
was when they all come out and val has that
press conference up and Elena comes right into her ear
and says like, we own you now, right into the microphones,
and now everybody had to have heard that, Like it's
(19:09):
just like, okay, is you know we're the they're the
new Avengers.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Because as well, I want to.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Think how much of that part might be because I
did find out too that they said that the Russo
brothers filmed the end credit scene while they were just
recently when they were filming Dooms started filming Doomsday. So
and by the way, I got spoiled by someone mentioning
the final scene in the end credit scene in the
(19:38):
starting to Panda chat because they brought up the Fantastic Four.
But if you look, if you're watching the credits, they
mentioned the Fantastic Four first Steps music as a credit
and I'm going, like, I saw that come up, and
then I basically got Liz's attention to turn away from
the screen because I mean, that's the damn said, that's
(19:58):
the longest end credit. It's two and a half minutes long.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Yeah, it was length.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
So they were just talking about I mean, it was
pretty much pulling your focus away because Red Guardian was
just like trying to sport his new Avengers with the di.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Z, with the or whatever.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
I don't know how much Bucky and Sam would have
that much of a falling out over the Avengers name.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
I mean a lot of yah yan about that, and
I my thing is just like this is always what
happens in comics, Like there's always gonna be some kind
of discord when there's multiple teams, and it's just a
way to create a way for them to have to
be apart and then come back together, as.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Long as there's not the Great Lake Avengers, because those
guys are always worth this. Although we do find out
that the Fantastic Four it was coming, it was a
multi dimensional shift, So I mean the quantum realms in
a different dimension, right, So or it's that would be.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
A they're definitely realm.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Well, I'm just thinking that that's the reason how they
were able to be away for sixty some years and
come back. And I'm assuming that the Fantastic before. Yeah, oh,
I'm assuming.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
They're not they're on a different world. They're in a
different reality or whatever. They're coming to six one six
from some other reality.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Okay, but I'm still thinking that the timeframes might sort
of line up a bit instead of it being like
they go from their Earth in nineteen sixty something to
come to twenty twenty six or whatever. Yeah, twenty five.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
I mean, for all we know their planet is perpetually
in the nineteen sixties. You know, it's like that's true
as we saw the Multiverse of Madness.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
What was the mid credits scene, trying to think what it.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Was credits was.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
I can't think of what it had something to do with.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
This is bad. This is a bad sign for.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Because it wasn't even mid credit.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
It was just like it was right after the like
main credits over.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Yeah, I mean it was. It was really quick. Hold
on a second, I'm going to this is bad.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Our brains are deteriorating. Obviously, it wasn't very I remember
it was not very like consequential at all.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Everyone points out, Uh, okay, I'm just saying that his
two end credit scenes, the Thunderballs brings together. Why did
they Uh they didn't really they said the way that
they're going to oh the Wheaties box.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Oh yes. I was thinking it was something with Alexei
and I was like, I can't remember with him.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
That's so I'm assuming the asterisk next to Thunderbolts because
it was asterisk New Avengers. Yeah, okay, because I remember
there being a big to do excuse me from when
they changed the asterisk from a six point asterisk to
a five point asterisk.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
I didn't even know that was the thing that happened.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
They get the last trailer, and I'm assuming that was
because from six to five because Taskmaster lasted for like nothing.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Right away, and I saw people being mad about it.
I'm like, well, if you were mad about that, you
were probably mad about how they did task Master anyway,
So you should be happy because now they can just
redo the character if they want to. And I was
so call her task Master.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Pretty much?
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Was it just merchandising?
Speaker 2 (23:29):
All it was was basically like she comes in their room,
says hi, Elena, and then they fight and I'm worse.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
I mean, like from Black Widow do they even ever
call oh?
Speaker 2 (23:41):
I think they it was like the task Master program
or something. I think see it.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Can totally be adopted by somebody else. Everybody calmed down.
It's comic book movies.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Everything happened with her so fast that I didn't even
realize she was dead until they started talking about the
dead p I'm like, I'm looking around, going and seeing
what was going on, and all of a sudden it was like, no, wait,
she's been on the screen for literally like two scenes.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Yeah, and they didn't like Olga curly On Curry Lnko
did not even come in, like they put her face
on that that person and that was it. Yeah, she says,
I'm not here for you to Yolena.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Okay, so I'm just like and then they fight. I'm like,
I don't even remember how she died, so.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
One straight to the brain courtesy.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Of Ava Okay.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
I didn't love that. I didn't. I didn't love the
role of the assistant to Vowel. She her turn is
too fast, so it doesn't really make any sense to me. Uh.
She was funny, like when Bucky gives her a business card,
She's like, what is this your trash? Like that made
me laugh really hard. But like her, she just wasn't
(24:53):
she just she wasn't She should have been completely bought
into Vowel and then had a hard turn, but she
was just kind of wishy washy.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
So I'd love the I think that she was around
for enough that Val trusted her with this stuff, but
she also when she had that when Val basically told
her to get her ship together. But her point of
this whole thing was pretty much, I think, to give
the information that was going on everything.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
To Bucky kind of thing. The role was kind of
weak on That role was a little weak in my opinion,
not that the actress did a bad job or anything
like that. Just could have been could have been a
little stronger.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Yeah. I think basically it was the moral opposite of
Valve for her being just such a I mean that
scene at the beginning part where he was just, uh,
I can't think of the guy's name, but he's did
a whole bunch of sitcoms, the guy that was the
Senate chair that was calling her miss Fontaine, and she's like,
uh no, it's Fontaine, you don't call him minister offense.
(25:56):
But yeah, by the end of it, it was just like,
I can't stand Julia. Louis Dreyvis played the character so
well that it was just like, we know that she's
not a good person in the comics and even what
we've seen so far in the movies, like she got
elated to think that you know, this is Hawkeye was
the one that killed her sister. Wasn't the case, but
(26:20):
she's so manipulative. By the end of it, it was
just like, man, I wouldn't have been surprised that if
they would have, because they were I think they were
ready to know, they were ready to kill her. Yeah,
and then Bucky's like, we got to bring her in.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Yeah, we need her for we need her for a
trial basically, and then she had a trial of her
own setup. I was like, of course she has the
press there. That was a good moment.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
I liked the scene when they were fleeing the bunker
and they're walking across the wastelands and stuff and you
just hear and see the limo coming, which, by the way,
his his tagline which was like broken English. Anyway, it
was like, you know, the whatever it was keeping the
(27:04):
keeping the party.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Going, parting something. Yeah, it was just missing some articles
or whatever.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Yeah, and then she's like, oh my god, this is
my dad and then her just being so embarrassed by
and then when with their shoulder shows up and he's
so fascinating. It's like he's like yes, yes, like they
took out the ox Core guys. And then he throws
a bomb on their thing too to get him to stop.
And uh, John Walker, I mean he was there was
(27:33):
this stuff too where he was sitting there trying to
turn on the bulletproof glass and alsoden you just hear
pony by genuine.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
That will be the song for our Instagram posts. So
I hope everybody's okay with that.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Yeah, just flipping his switches like, what's going on here?
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Where is the driving.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Bulletproof ish.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Not bulletproof?
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Yeah, it was. There was no bulletproof anything to it.
I mean, bulletproof vehicle is like what Nick Fury had
in Winter Soldier that was bulletproof, that was like mortar proof.
This thing was just a vehicle. That was it. Yep.
So trying to think what else. I mean, obviously you
could tell I there was. There was a few parts
(28:13):
of it where I was just sort of like, okay,
I mean I did enjoy the characterization of Bob Sentry
void and him dropping you know, hints to who he
was going to become. And I do one who think
I believe it was Ashley Coffin who was saying, is
that don't listen to the Primer or get too much
(28:35):
on the character before the movie, because it does give
away a lot of a lot of people didn't know
what centry or Bob was capable of that the opposite
side of him is the void, which, by the way,
kudos to like in the Primer at the end when
he's sitting there reading the book and he's like, yep,
can't have him because the other guy's gonna come up
to so nailed it again, You're like, Okay, I'm good here,
(28:59):
you know, especially with him being as overpowered. I still
know what the the kill switch. That whole situation with
the kill switch where she didn't have it, but then
also she had had to control for it, and she.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Must have thought that that would kill him, but she
didn't know about the void.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
So no, but I think didn't she say to the
assistant like we didn't have time or something, we had
to shut down, So she didn't know if the kill
switch was or maybe they it was just a control
that they didn't have. So by the time they got that,
and then they were in the where they lured the
uh when the thunderbolts broke into the bottom of like
(29:41):
the Bobby of Avenger's tower.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
You guys, I left the door open for it.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Yeah, come upstairs. I mean it's another trap, yeah, leading
him into the And then the first thing, like I
think everyone noticed it, Neil is like, did you dye
your hair? And he's like, yeah, she thought it was.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
You know how long I spent on the hair because
then the and he's like, I just I don't know
if I like the hair, and like then him and
Julia Louis Dreyfus going back and forth about the it's
not about the hair, you keep bringing it up, so
it seems like like it's so good. For the most part,
the writing was really really really on part. I thought
it was very funny, but very I mean I cried
(30:17):
like two or three times watching this.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
It has that emotional like just the the shifts back
and forth where even there's times when they were talking about,
you know, the the mental illness stuff that it's just
everybody had something seriously bad going on with them, and
then they would shift it with most of the time
(30:40):
it was Alexei saying something stupid, right and then reacting
to it. I did feel bad in a sense too,
where you know, John Walker was playing up this family
man type thing and then when they were sitting there.
I love the fact too that the way that Bucky
had them tied up was like he just had like
they were tied up with like the rebar and stuff
(31:03):
just scrapped around him and he was strong enough to
hold Cap down or John Walker down. But that's when
he called him out and he's like, yeah, your wife
left and took the kid with you, and looking at
him like really been.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Lying to us well, and then Yolena when she throws
that in his face. I was like, oh damn, like
that's not okay girl, but she was so Yeah, everybody's
depressed in this movie. That's kind of all there is
to it.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Yeah, and they were they're fighting for something, and especially too,
like when you, I mean, could you can imagine the
hell that people would go through, especially because we only
get to see a few of them when they get
sucked into the void. Is this that's them? This perpetual,
never ending nightmare scene of something.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Rooms of shame.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Yeah, Like with Yolena and the vodka and her just
being like I almost thought was yeah when they thought
they stopped them, and that little girl is like thank
you for seeing and then she just disappeared.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Okay. Now I'm not saying we should be killing children
in movies, but everybody came back and that was kind
of like, well, all right, like we didn't lose anybody.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
No, it was the point. It was just that that
part of the narrative where you realize this is the
is for as strong and opie as century is that
power can be turned one eighty and the Void has
that power to just literally and.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Worse because he has all of centuries physical powers and
then he I loved I loved the metaphor that it's
the physical manifestation of depression, like because I think that's
probably exactly how it feels and what it can look like.
It's just this darkness, right, you have this darkness that
(32:44):
just overtakes you in the way it was overtaking Manhattan
and just crawling up the buildings, Like even at the
beginning of the movie when they were doing the Marvel
Studio's logo and it just drips down with that black
I was like, Oh, oh, what are we in for?
Because I think we didn't all one hundred percent know
what Thunderbolts was going to be, and I know that
what they did with it was so unexpected and that's
(33:05):
why it's so great.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
I think when they at least for our discussions and
our predictions, was that when we knew that Century was
going to be a big part, it was going to
be the century void type thing, not realizing that that
was sort of like the b villain plot where the
main villain of this movie is val I mean, I'm
just getting like her being manipulative, she has no powers,
(33:28):
but going back to the void. That was just the
way he was just completely dark shadows, and his eyes
were just these little tiny red pin pricks where you
could tell that this isn't just someone in shadow that's
going to come out. This is basically a living it's
a void, and it does have a little bit of humanity,
(33:48):
but it's not the right humanity.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
It's the I call evil humanity.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Yeah, but he'd never did like that cat. He was
just basically being just like, I'm this is how I feel,
and this is what I'm gonna do about it, you know.
And then basically at the end with them all in
that room being this like the power of it's basically
like how you could I took it as like the
power of positivity, where because Elena basically says, like you said,
(34:17):
worst advice ever to push it down, and then she realizes, yeah,
I screwed up. That's wrong. You got to deal with everything.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
And then finally she says, I'm here, You're not alone, right.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Yeah, So she's saying, is that you know have to
go through. All of us are like this. But then
when it all when they all show back up in
Manhattan and they realized they're going to go after Vail,
and Bob's just like what happened? What was like, oh no,
not again.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
But he must figure it out at some point. I
feel like that's a short term memory loss thing. Yeah,
because then, like you said on the post credit scene,
he's like, yeah, you know, I can't help because I
just otherwise they're both there.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
This has and I saw someone that had meme or
a picture that says the Disney Plus show you didn't
know we needed, and it was Bob and Mark Spector.
It's just like the it's not I.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Called it a flare double feature.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Yeah, pretty much, just like this is how you deal
with something where you can't get you're you literally are
out of your own body, which, by the way, it's
not he doesn't have like buyer tripolar. It's like a
dissociative this or this associative identity disorder, which is.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Not the same thing as what Mark Spector has, right.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
No, I mean but he's I mean, well, Mark's uh.
Bob seems to be aware of the other things when
he there, but when Mark Spector became Moonnight and the
other personalities, he doesn't know about the other personalities at first.
He's just is like he switches. He's like, how did
I get here? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (35:50):
I think that like Mark, those are Mark's altars, and
for some reason the Century Void thing is different than that. Yeah,
but it's really hard to kind of wrap your mind around.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Right, It's not like they were away. I mean, we
don't know much that much about Bob yet to know
how much because, like we said, when he comes out
of it and is Bob again on the which, by
the way, it's sort of like Century was killed for
all we know, became the Void. The Void was killed
or stopped. He came to terms with that, and then
he became Bob again. Yeah, so, but he had no idea,
(36:24):
so he must have either seen the stuff or was
told the stuff or stuff started creeping back because it
was a fourteen month gap, so enough stuff could happen
where he's just like, yep, I'm not doing the Century
things still. When that was funny too, because when he
comes when Alexei comes in in the post credits scene
and they're all sitting there talking about how they have
to change their name because Sam copyright them, suing them
(36:46):
to the Avengers, and then Alexi's got the Z on
it and he's just up at the window being like
still reading the book. Yep, I'm not century because I
don't want the other guy to come out.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
To part of the team. Still.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Yeah, because I mean he pretty much didn't know any
better or know anything else, because for longest he was
just like.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Oh, there's something because they'll need to explain it more
in the future. Because he does, like when he wakes
up in the bedroom and the tower with val and
she is talking to him and he holds her hand
and sees her darkest memory. He when they come back,
he says, I can control it. So I think there
is an awareness there. I think it's just to me.
(37:26):
It's almost like, is this more of a choice type situation?
Speaker 2 (37:30):
It depends on he knows. Bob knows something's wrong, but
he's not.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
He doesn't necessarily like exactly what happened, but he knows
that something he's doing is harmful.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Yeah, yeah, like or and then because when he comes
out of it, he like what happens. He knows at least.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
He like when it happens with Elena, he kind of
looks at her like, yeah, I did that, but I
don't know what I did kind of a thing. And
the same thing with John Walker, so they I it's
okay to leave it and big Us, but I think
it would be better if they would clarify it a
little more. In the future.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Yeah, I think he's definitely going to be a character
that's going to be needed to go forward with what
we're seeing is coming in. Then what's the next I'm
trying to think right now, what's the the next movie
we've got coming out of I mean, okay, we got
the Fantastic Four in July.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
After that we've got that's the last movie of the.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Year, right so I'm thinking what the next.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
One iron Heart between now and Fantastic Four, and then
at the end of the year it's more of the
like like Wakanda Forever and Marvel Zombies and wonder Man.
I'm still we'll see if wonder Man comes out. I'm
still I'm still sketchy on that one.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Now, this makes me think here about like what the
empty you release order the because I'm thin and after
Fantastic Four, is doomsday in the next movie?
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Then that's what we know right now. But I think that,
oh yeah, and I think they are going to roll
back again, you know, on the how much stuff they're
putting out.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
So because next year we've got I mean, we've got
Fantastic Four in July, and then next year we've got
Avengers Doomsday in May and Spider Man Brave New World
at the end of.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
July, Spider Man Brave New World.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Or brand New, Brand New Day. Sorry, and I was
just looking at Captain America Brave New World in this
list here.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
Brand New Day, say earlier?
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Who the uh?
Speaker 1 (39:40):
I forgot? You know what that was?
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Whooping?
Speaker 1 (39:45):
We don't record on Sundays.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
No, by the way, for anyone that observes it, it's
a Star Wars day. So made a fourth be with you?
Speaker 1 (39:53):
Indeed, yes, as you. Yeah, So we don't know like
any of the shows real for next year, stuff like that,
So we'll see, we'll see what they've got.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Yeah, we've got a next trying to think what what
comes out first, or Fantastic four comes out first, and
then oh no, I think we'll do a Superman one
before Fantastic five.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
I believe. Yeah, I believe Superman comes out because it's
July sixth.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Right, July eleventh for Superman and then two weeks later
for Fantastic Four.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
Maybe Jurassic comes out earlier.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
I did see when we were watching the previews that like,
the new Mission Impossible movie comes out the same day
as Leelo and Stitch and also something else, and I'm like,
my god, they're really heavy loading memor of the weekend
this year.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Yeah well I think, I mean, really well.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
It's two different target audiences. But it's also like parents
going to see Mission Impossible or parents taking their kids
to go see Lelo and Stitch.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
So why not ye both? Yeah, this summer at the
movies is gonna be pretty awesome.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
So yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
Yeah it was. I loved Thunderbolts. I want to watch
it again so that things will sink in a little
more this time, probably, but I really appreciated the message.
I do wonder about Sam's team, and it's Sam more
like working with Kamala con and are they raising like champions?
(41:31):
So are they going to change their new Avengers to
be champions or is this team going to become the champions?
Speaker 2 (41:36):
And now on the penns though, because we don't know
exactly when, I mean, we Are'm assuming that this takes
place right after the tell, like a month after Yeah,
Captain America, because they mentioned, you know, Thunderbolt Ross going
full red.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
So our next year's show is going to be all
set in not fourteen months, right.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Because that jumps ahead a lot, because it really pretty
much hasn't done anything since the end of you know,
since WandaVision. It's pretty much only progressed like six months
to a year in the timeline as far as that's
five years now, four years now, so.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
We'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
Yeah. So, so if you have questions or comments about
this or any other stuff coming up, you know how
to get a hold of us, but Haley will tell
you anyway.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
If you don't know how, you can email us at
Sparkpodcast at gmail dot com. That is Spark with us. See.
You can follow us on Twitter, Instagram, or Facebook. And
you can check out all of the network shows at
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Speaker 2 (42:33):
And speaking of shows, we've got a list of ours
Sparks Podcast buddies. It's some shows that we think you
should listen to because we like them. The links and
names are in our show notes, but I'll let you
know the names anyway. They are across to by Frost
and Mighty four, Dan Andean. They have questions commute to
the podcast Segabits My Tales from the Cantina. Rebel Forest
Radio presents The bob Oufreaks, Jack Kirby, So Weird, So Fun,
(42:57):
and the Star Wars Wyo Universe, which is hosted by
very own James Hewings. And I want to apologize on
there too for forgetting to send in our monthly stuff
for James's podcast. I don't won't we've done in Star
Wars because we were talking about it and on our
chat and then Todd brought up Geode and uh, it
sort of derailed the whole thing. I completely forgot about
(43:18):
it until Hayley mentioned is like, oh he dropped the
new episode and we forgot the Son of a Gun.
I've done a lot of Star Wars stuff too.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
So you have to make up for next month.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
Yeah, I'll just say what have been the last two months?
So anyway, So we'll be back next week with what
Daredevil Born again? Reviewing Dearson, remember that show.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
We're going to talk about it.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
Again, and then I think after that we'll probably have
our and or review in comparison because that'll be over
with that time too. So then after that, who knows,
because it'll be.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
Summertime going on.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
So yes, we've.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
Been trying to meet filler. That'll be that.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
We've been trying to get that in. It looks like
we're doing like multiple episodes per our recordings because it's
it's kind of hard to schedule someone that's six hours
ahead of us, and we weekends and it's when it dropped.
I still have you. It's Sunday evening right now. I
saw him and they had time to watch. Yeah, I
know that's me, not a pure Huban. So anyways, I
(44:15):
found out that Ryan Gosling is a huge, huge Hubian though,
because Shooty was on Jimmy Kimmel and he was talking
about how he was on the Barbie Barbie when they
announced it, and Gosling came running over and is like,
are you kidding me?
Speaker 1 (44:34):
And Shooty's back phone background is a picture of Ryan
Gosly wearing some kind of doctor who shirt about him.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
I think, right, yeah, it's Ryan Gosling wearing a shirt
that he actually made that he made up with Shooty
as the doctor, which is something he wouldn't because it's
too like traditional doctor, where Shooty is anything but traditional doctor.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
So it's funny.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Yeah. Anyways, so until next week until you hear from
us again. Remember two things be excellent to each other,
and never judge a book by its movie.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
Love you three hundred. Thank you for listening to Source Pages,
a reading collective, a proud member of the Strandedpanda Network.
If you would like to contact us, you can email
sparkpodcast at gmail dot com that's Spark with a C.
Or follow us on Twitter at source pages cast. For
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