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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Don't blink because Tymy Wymy Talk is back and we
have the full Tartest crew this week and we are
here to discuss wish World, the penultimate episode of this season.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
But first.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
We'll be right.

Speaker 4 (00:15):
Yeah, it's time for the podcast.

Speaker 5 (00:36):
Welcome to Time Me Why We've Talked, the podcast that's
bigger on the inside. I'm Karen, I'm Haley.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
I'm Liz, and I'm Brian, and you are listening to
Timmy Whymy Talk, where we talk about Doctor Who and Wow.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
This season. This is actually the first time that all
of us are back together in the tartest we've had.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
Liz and I were stuck in that We're cartoon for
a while, mister Ringding was mister ring Ding ring Ding
ring Ding was messing with us, and then.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
It's just been this this time.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
I mean, today is even the first time that we've
had time to like breathe because of graduations and kids
at school and parties and just.

Speaker 6 (01:25):
There's one two choir concerts, well, if you call grade
school music concerts, a band concert, a graduation, graduation party,
a birthday birthday birthday party, plus working and working two
evenings a week. I'm like, I think I need to

(01:45):
next year. I'm not doing that. I mean, there won't
be obviously another graduation for a while.

Speaker 7 (01:51):
But yeah, doctor who only Yeah, I know that.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
We're both very thankful for YouTube for holding down the
yes basically like the last last five episodes or four, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Because you guys did two and then three. Yeah, we
did five five, so.

Speaker 6 (02:12):
I think they only had a chance to watch the
two episodes prior to this one. What it was Thursday Wednesday? Yeah,
we caught up in baseball baseball games. Oh yeah, practices
in games twice a week because his game got rained

(02:33):
out on Wednesday. Maybe that's when we got anyway, time,
What do you guys.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
Think all the season? I give us your thoughts.

Speaker 6 (02:43):
I honestly forgot that the whole episode before this one
was the Interstellar song contest. I was like, oh, yeah,
that happened, and there was sort of okay what happened
before we come up to the opening scene of this

(03:06):
episode wish the wrong.

Speaker 5 (03:14):
Okay and the doors exploding on the charges.

Speaker 6 (03:17):
Right, so then how and everything's fine kind of does
not appear to be I know, I'm just like what
I thought it was maybe just a strange first scene.
I don't know, I didn't expect the the WandaVision feel too.

(03:40):
That's like, what what are we watching here?

Speaker 3 (03:42):
Is?

Speaker 6 (03:43):
I didn't expect that to last throughout like the entire episode.
I thought it was just going to be a really
strange fever dream. And then.

Speaker 5 (03:53):
The Joints two part finale, They've got the breathe on
this episode, and I think you end up with Well,
I don't know about you, guys, but I've got a
lot of questions from this episode. So obviously we've then
got well Hony halfway through, so hopefully all those questions
will be an said in the finale next week.

Speaker 6 (04:15):
I'm hoping so, and I hope that we feel satisfied
with what we get, you know, like all of all
of it's nicely tied up.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
Yeah, I did have after, I want to say, the
second episode this season, I'd narrow down in my head
that missus Flood was she was a time lady.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
I kind of figured that out, so she had.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
To have been, and then I'm like, where is she?
Where are they going to pull from this because it
doesn't have to be gender specific for anything. So I
was like, the first thing was like the Valeyard, that
would be really weird and cool if there was, she
was the Valeyard, and then I thought, like, deep cuts,
it was the Valliyard or the Ronnie, Like that's only
two because both of them we've seen already that our

(05:01):
TD these past two seasons is like he likes bringing
back characters, but he likes bringing back like the I
would not even say bottom of the Barrel, but the
least known guy. He's not bringing back the Cyberman and
the Master and the Daleks and all these guys. And
the episode was already over and I was still like
picking my brain, like when are we gonna find this out?

(05:24):
And uh when it was revealed, I was like, Okay,
that's kind of cool, And especially the dichotomy between the two,
especially with the new one being like, no, I am
the definitive.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
I am the Ronnie. You're not you're you're a Ronnie.
I am the Ronnie.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
And even in this this episode too, where she's like
she's making him, making her make sandwiches and all this
other stuff like that.

Speaker 6 (05:47):
I feel upon thinking about it, considering the piece of
scum that is sort of dictating what's happening in the
world and what the people are supposed to be thinking.
And oh the world is supposed to Yeah, Conrad, I
was like, oh, she's fixing him a sandwich, Like, wouldn

(06:08):
make me a sandwich? Like, of course that's what she
would be doing. If I don't know if anybody else
kind of had that.

Speaker 5 (06:18):
I was just gonna say, if you know what's the
outfit is back to the prison warden outfit.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
Missus Flood when she's snatched and her jumpsuit she looks
by the way. I was like, this old lady is phenomenal.

Speaker 5 (06:35):
It is, and she's got the keys. So basically just
exchange cells. He's gone from one cell to another cell
and they the prison.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
There's no bars on this one.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
Yeah, but I hope that next week he gets his
just come up and said it just gets.

Speaker 6 (06:56):
Yeah, And okay, I didn't even notice this because there
were so much happening and you're trying to sort of
dissect or at least I was trying to dissect everything
as I was watching it, and I have only seen
it the one time. And he's Conrad is in this
like silky like white or off white suit like he's

(07:17):
a divine, all knowing being and it's just.

Speaker 5 (07:21):
Like he's the creator isn't he's the creator.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
Well, I think he's trying to.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
He's almost like a like a Joel Epstein, or like
a not Joel Epstein, Joel Austin, like a.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
Telephone like alevangelists.

Speaker 6 (07:37):
I could kind of see that the way that.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
False hope to people by.

Speaker 6 (07:41):
Just reading okay, almost like okay, I get.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
That, but Frum laying under the weight of predicting the weather.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
Yeah, my god, rousting.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
While we're talking about how people were dressed, I thought
that Shooty and the Getting was supposed to be dressed
like Steed from the Avengers the British and I love that.
Also snatched, by the.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
Way, I want to say, speaking of looks, I think
they dropped a lot of the special effects budget in
this episode, especially with those walking skeleton whatever you want
to call them.

Speaker 6 (08:25):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
But the thing is though they don't because they don't
like do anything other than being visuals right, because they
just are holograms because they walk through people and those
big giant skelet like they look like the giant dinosaurs
that are walking around like.

Speaker 6 (08:42):
Giant creature, like everything is super happy and then yeah,
and they look up at the sky and it's completely
normal for them. Yeah, it was interesting the way I
was like, well, so do people just get stepped on
and and thinks about it? I think of it, and
then literally it was the next scene where it just

(09:06):
like you said, it was like a hologram and everyone's fine.
Although on one of the buildings it was sort of
like a city square. I thought I saw one of
the windows was cracked though, m or maybe that maybe not,
I didn't know.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
The one thing I did notice is that the design
of the I don't even know if you want to
at that center piece thing like just the spaceship or
the that had a very like sicker axe Christmas Invasion,
that type of you know, like a rackned type. Yeah,

(09:45):
it had a very rackted basically look spider feel. And
then you think about some of the I mean a
lot of the sicker acts.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
What's the what was the name of the episode? It
was the Christmas episode with the spider.

Speaker 5 (09:57):
Sorry, yeah, there were no it.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Was the Christmas one though.

Speaker 5 (10:03):
Yeah, it was. It was a run away bright sorry.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
Way okay, Yeah, so it does have a feeling like
a lot of their the bad guys have that type
of aesthetic to like their designs and layers, I guess
so when you look at it, like, oh oh, maybe
that could just be him going back because those were
all RTDs shows from the early I mean, what's it
twenty years now? Yeah, it's been twenty years since the
show's come back. So I mean the show was only

(10:29):
on for what twenty one years in the first place,
six sixty twenty sixty three to eighty. I think it
was sixty three to eighty.

Speaker 5 (10:39):
Uh like even dope.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
Yeah, I mean there's obviously a lot less episodes because
that was when we were getting you know, a lot
before then. But uh yeah, I think it could just
be also too that it's I I didn't see any
of them. Like the whole thing with Rogue popping back
on and talk him at the table, I'm going like,

(11:02):
don't do that?

Speaker 5 (11:04):
Who is that? And that was filmed when he filmed Droke,
when the finished film and Rogue that said, oh, can
you just come and do one quick thing before you
got us?

Speaker 1 (11:16):
When when he and shoot, he's just like and he
comes up to me and he says something about tables
not doing something, and then he left and then now
we're watching this and like two years later going.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
Oh, that's what he was talking about.

Speaker 5 (11:27):
Well, makes sense.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
So so what's the significance of Poppy Poppy? Their daughter?
Poppy is real? Because the doctor says, no, she's real,
she's real. Tell us, Karen, I need your guidance.

Speaker 5 (11:45):
I said lots of questions and then said.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
Had some SERI loved her.

Speaker 5 (11:54):
Outside the barbershop, didn't. We so talked about maybe this
sleaking through, so maybe some sort of link to that,
but at this point, who knows, who knows what RTD's
brain's doing is.

Speaker 6 (12:11):
Okay, So outside of the prison barbershop area do we
see Do we see this little girl in any other
episodes in the background?

Speaker 5 (12:20):
Maybe not since not since the episode she was in
Space Babies.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
Babies.

Speaker 5 (12:28):
Yeah, she was Captain Poppy, So she was.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
The that's a big connection.

Speaker 5 (12:38):
She was the main one that that the doctor interacted
with in this Okay, Okay, the whole c g I
baby talken thing that had on Space Babies have a
little bit of a different look because now she's just
the authentic child.

Speaker 6 (12:56):
She can say things for real.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (12:59):
First I thought she was you know, they'd ask her
questions in this current episode that we're talking about and
I thought she was just being like a typical toddler,
like no, you know, just giving one word answers and
being obstinate like you want me to do this, but
I'm not going to, and just being a typical kid.
But there's more to that.

Speaker 5 (13:20):
Maybe the thing that the child sees through the whole
lie exactly well.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
And when Ruby Ruby, yeah, Ruby shows up so many
characters in this one. When Ruby shows up, she and
I mean Poppy kind of looks at her very suspiciously,
which maybe the kid was just acting that way, but
I feel like she was really giving Ruby the once over,
you know what I mean, after the stuff.

Speaker 6 (13:46):
Guy, like not not hiding how she felt.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
That Ruby kind of knew something was not right as well.

Speaker 5 (13:54):
But do you think with Ruby, like Conrad's whole thing
is like women our only sort of like irrelevant part
of society if they get married, have children, become paris,
Ruby doesn't categories so a bit like the when we
went and met up with Shirley and the comment that

(14:16):
they made is because they are disabled or autistic lots
of different reasons, because they didn't fit in Conrad's view
of what his world looks like. Then they could sort
of say that something was wrong. So maybe that's a

(14:41):
I think that makes a lot of sense experience of
s three yards as well.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
What do you say something like we're not we're not seeing,
so we can't be seen type of thing where it's
just like we're you know, basically, it's almost like they're
the what's I think the Tardest has when it is, yeah,
like they have them all around them, although at the
end when they were like getting in that gunfight, it
was like they definitely could see them then.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
So.

Speaker 6 (15:10):
They're not basic. It's sort of like that's what Conrad
mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (15:18):
Was that the Maestro in the Little Resistance space? Do
you know what I'm talking about? When they're walking through,
Ruby looks over and it looks like is that what
was called? They were called the Maestro, the one with
the orange chair.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
Who was the musician?

Speaker 3 (15:36):
I don't I went back and watched it twice and
it kind of looked like it could have been the Maestro.
When she's walking through with Shirliet to look for it,
I put the Maestro question mark, so I could be wrong.

Speaker 5 (15:53):
But no, it was the just mentioned in The Maestro.
The Ronnie's whole thing was, well, you basically poked the gods.
You release the pantheon, so this is only your fault
at the end of the day, because without you doing that,
then the god of Wishes wouldn't have been born this Desiderium. Sorry,

(16:16):
I've got yeah phonetically because I couldn't.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
I just remember that from the little scene at the
beginning when they were in uh, because I thought it
was kind of funny where the first thing you see
in this episode, it's like eighteen sixty five Bavaria. And
I always joke because of my heritage is German and
Dutch and everything in that, I'm like, I don't.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
Know what I am.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
I know I'm Bavarian, but Bavaria really is more like
a It's just it's almost like a region like Midwest.

Speaker 6 (16:46):
Or something Scandinavia, which.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
Is just yea several things. So I'm like, oh, Bavaria,
and I'm not a pretzel.

Speaker 6 (16:56):
I think I think sorry, come back to the Maestro.
It would sense if if if that if you did
see the Maestro, because there's the tie in with the
Devil's cord or the because the baby being creepy, and.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
I think it was they have like an eye patch on,
But that wig is unmistakable.

Speaker 6 (17:22):
Very true, very true. Wait, they didn't have an eye
patch right episode though, that's a disguise.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
You have to do something. Yeah, you can't tell it's me.

Speaker 6 (17:42):
Over innered what we do in the shadows? Oh god,
he has the toothpick. When he has the toothpick in
his mouth, Brian, you know what I'm talking.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
About, right, Dakota, Dakota average human bartender.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
You can't tell it because he's got a toothpicks.

Speaker 6 (18:01):
Takes a toothpick out anyway, Sorry, I my brain goes
places back to Bavaria in.

Speaker 4 (18:16):
I.

Speaker 6 (18:18):
I kind of feel bad that I laughed a little bit.
Did anyone else laugh.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
Like with oh yeahs.

Speaker 6 (18:25):
Turning in the ducks just okay.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
I was like, Haley, I mean they turned them into
more terrible things. It was funny that they were, except
the mom. The mom part was sad.

Speaker 6 (18:42):
Like I know, well, the fact that the children all
witnessed it. I was like, well, that's heartbreaking. And why
isn't the dad why is he standing there?

Speaker 5 (18:53):
Why?

Speaker 3 (18:53):
I mean he didn't seem very bright.

Speaker 6 (18:56):
That's kind of yeah, just a simple man.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
I always think it's kind of like a poor farming
couple and.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
Judge. But it's a television show.

Speaker 6 (19:10):
Seventh son of a seventh. Oh, let's see Karen is
holding up.

Speaker 7 (19:14):
I can't.

Speaker 5 (19:15):
Yeah, yeah, I'm just holding the picture. Was talking about.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
Something, Karen expert Karen Hayley.

Speaker 6 (19:24):
I feel like you're always onto something.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
No, hardly, if ever.

Speaker 5 (19:30):
I don't think it is. I think it's just somebody
who's wonderfully it wasn't perfect.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
If it was to until proven wrong.

Speaker 5 (19:39):
Yeah, sorry, just say that, did you? Sorry?

Speaker 1 (19:49):
Sorry, I was just gonna say I've been waiting to
ask you if you had the same reaction as me
where I jumped out of my seat and Liz saw
this when Susan popped on screen, I I had no idea.
The doctor's granddaughter, the old the older lady, and I'm like,
oh my god. Susan just before, just before rogue, and

(20:11):
she was the one telling him to like he was.
She was starting to give the messages like breaking into
the Conrad thing.

Speaker 5 (20:19):
So she appeared she was in the song contest when
she was telling the doctor sort of like.

Speaker 6 (20:26):
Yes, no, I remember, I just don't remember you jumping.
Was it on your second watch because the first Okay.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
Maybe one's on the Interstellar song thing. Guy, I remember
when I saw her for the first time.

Speaker 6 (20:41):
We were watching this.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
I watched it again.

Speaker 6 (20:45):
So, but yes, you did have a very strong reaction
when it was the Interstellar song contest.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
Yeah, because that was like she was the first companion
pretty much.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
I mean she was.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
We still know how long they were in the you know,
that junk shop or the junk yard or whatever it
was for that whole time at the beginning of the show.
So and the thing that's like sixty two years later
now she's like what was her name? Hold on, I
could what's the name of the actress that plays her,
Caroline Ford?

Speaker 2 (21:19):
Right, yeah, yeah, it's just like, you know, well that's
things though.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
Nowadays you start seeing all the people that were earlier companions.
A lot of them are just dying because it's been
a while.

Speaker 5 (21:29):
Well yeah, well I think she's the only original still
with us because we lost we lost George Russell. George Russell.
That doesn't sound.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
Right, Oh, such as a d I think anyway, it's
gone on.

Speaker 5 (21:47):
But who played one of the first companions. He passed
away last year and he peared in a Jodie Heley
and I talked about this in the last episode. I
think it was he appeared when they had the companion
sitting in the sort of the therapy session at the

(22:08):
end of Jordie's era. Willie Russell.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
Okay, he he was.

Speaker 5 (22:14):
In it then, but then he passed away. Passed away
not long afterwards. So yeah, Caroline Ford is pretty much
the last surviving remember the original because Warris, who's saying
he was the producer, still with us, but apart from that,
But then again, it is sixty odd years ago.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
Speaking of that, I saw something today and I saw
it and I go, oh my god, but it's right now.
David Tennant is the same age as William Hartnell was
when he started the show. And if you look at
William Hartnell, the old gray hair boling and that one David,
then it looks now like. Because we were talking about
it recently about how like people that like what sixties like, Well,

(22:56):
Wilford Brimley was fifty in the movie Cocoon, and so
of these other people were like, you know, Carol and
Carol O'Connor and all in the family was like in
his forties, and I'm.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
Like, my people looked like they were in their seventies.

Speaker 6 (23:11):
Gold Yes, just thinking about that, I remember watching I
love that show.

Speaker 5 (23:19):
Host of Friends. Now are the same age as the
Golden Girls when they.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
And the Arthur was older than her mom on the show.

Speaker 6 (23:27):
I'm thinking watching Oh gosh, it was like ten years
ago when I was. When I was watching and came
to the realization, I was like, hold on a second,
how old are these characters supposed to be? And they
were all younger than my mother, and I don't know
who was. I was like, I don't know, though, that

(23:48):
seems kind of just four women. You're living in your
own just come and go and as you please, live
in your best life.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
Ye we could, We'll continue that time.

Speaker 6 (24:00):
And anyway, David, it looks great.

Speaker 5 (24:07):
And so the book Conrad was reading that was interesting
for a couple of reasons. Did anybody notice what book
it looked like?

Speaker 3 (24:17):
Harry Potter?

Speaker 5 (24:18):
Yeah, it was basically the design was taking from the
first Harry Potter.

Speaker 3 (24:23):
The Bothians was ours didn't look like that. But the
British editions?

Speaker 6 (24:28):
Did I need this?

Speaker 7 (24:30):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (24:31):
Wasn't the first book called the Philosopher's Stone in Britain?
And it was the Sorcerer's Stone here?

Speaker 6 (24:35):
Yes, yeah, yeah, it's different.

Speaker 5 (24:39):
We didn't set your sensibilities. Is that the right way?

Speaker 2 (24:43):
I guess?

Speaker 5 (24:46):
But the.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
American Philosopher's stone like so crates or play.

Speaker 5 (24:54):
So the book was written by I am foreman, bring
any bells?

Speaker 2 (24:59):
I foreman.

Speaker 3 (25:02):
I am four men like four horsemen.

Speaker 5 (25:05):
No foreman for men.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
Susan Susan's last name.

Speaker 5 (25:10):
Why was Susan called Susan poeman? Can you remember he
mentioned it earlier?

Speaker 3 (25:20):
Rewind hear it.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
Out a man like three different congestion medications. Right now,
I can't think straight.

Speaker 5 (25:28):
It was the name of the junk yard. Oh that's right, okay,
So the name the name that was the junk yard.
Hence Susan's surname was Susan Foreman when she went to school.
Was the name of the author of the Doctor Who story,
which I thought was quite a and it was as
Adventure in Time and Space, and that was pretty much

(25:51):
the name. An Adventure in Time and Space was the name.

Speaker 7 (25:53):
Of the.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
Fifth anniversary that.

Speaker 5 (25:57):
They did about for the fieth was that.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
It was the fiftieth because what's the guy that played
William Hartnell was the guy that was the janitor of Hogwarts. Yes,
and Harry Potter. I can't think of his name.

Speaker 5 (26:11):
So there's a few little easter eggs just in the bicular.

Speaker 6 (26:15):
Film after a character.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
Well the actor was David something.

Speaker 5 (26:23):
Yeah, it'll come back to me.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
Anyways, I was carrying, do you have any notes about
this Omega guy that we are going to probably get
a lot into next week in the series finale Season finale,
I didn't really.

Speaker 5 (26:38):
Do that much of a deep dive because I thought
I didn't want to one. I'm not one hundred percent
convinced that Mega is gonna we're going to get and
make as a character as such, I think that I
think I've got feeling as a twist somewhere there. But
Omega was Richie Dave, you'd in the Three Doctor's story,

(27:03):
and he was an negalactic engineer and one of the
founders of the Timeload Society. Might be a bit different
now what the Timeless Child story. So I think that's
kind of may effect Timeload history a little bit there.
But in havn't watched Three Doctors in a long time.

(27:27):
But basically he went a bit mad and he became
his body. He lost his body. I can't really explain it.
So he ended up in the underworld and all that

(27:48):
was left was his will. So when you see the
the visual of a Mega, it's sort of like a
big gold helmet and the gallifrey and robes. But when
in the Three Doctors, when he takes his helmet helmet off,
there's actually nothing there because he's it's gone so much

(28:09):
into his mind that his body's gone. So yeah, it's
a bit of a it's a bit of a weird one.
He's just basically a bit of a psychopath really, like
loads descended in We've quite a few, haven't we, The
Master and Missie and Ronnie and russelon and so, yeah,

(28:29):
he's not a great one. He's not definitely not a friend,
definitely a fool. But I do wonder whether we're gonna
get that to the full potential or whether they're gonna
go down some other yet unknown route.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
Are we going to be stuck in this wish world reality?

Speaker 5 (28:48):
Do we think?

Speaker 3 (28:48):
Because I like Glinda, she doesn't know what's going on,
she only thinks she's the doctor's wife.

Speaker 5 (28:56):
I think I think the end of that episode with
every then we like reality collaps and I think you're
going to find all the back in properly their reality,
proper reality.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
Well, you're getting a lot of the people like Ruby is.
Ruby was like if I if I talked to Conry
had based the face.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
I think there's a few.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
People that were on the precipice especially, I think the
people that were close to the doctor that are like,
we know something, you know. I think even even Belinda
is sort of a little bit like questioning, but she
still was the loyal He's doubting stuff. I have to
call the secret police and to come and grab the

(29:40):
doctor or my husband.

Speaker 5 (29:43):
Just saying about Belinda that the whole scene where they
were talking about probably being born and how long was
your laying and you could see the doubts then and
then she ran off into the woods where to break down.
So she's obviously having that doubts as well, but not
so much verbalizing them as much as the doctor slipping up,

(30:05):
I think hanging holding onto the hope, but Poppy really
as much as anything else, that that protective, that mother instinct.
I guess I would know, but I'm guessing that that's
the that's.

Speaker 6 (30:18):
Yeah, I would think that would be the worst thing
is to have someone you know, this is your life,
this is who you're You're dedicating a lot of your
life to your child, and I have somebody say that,
well that's not real. That would be really difficult to believe.

Speaker 5 (30:35):
A bit like Donna when she was in the library
when they basically said, oh, this is all the illusion.
Those two children aren't yoursn't in that instance have just disappeared,
so that that reality was brought very quickly to Donna's mind.
But yeah, this one, because it's dark to say Poppy

(30:58):
is real. So how's what's the difference? There is probably
gonna be in the real reality once this one breaks down.
Did you notice Mel's bin? That was the one that
got me. So when Mel was talken to well Ruby
and the doctor. Just before that we saw the ship

(31:20):
and the space palace sleeping, Mel opened a bin up
and tipped a broken cup in. Did you notice how
full I bin was? It was so fun. So they
were Mel's doubts. So people like what the Ronnie said
was they need the whole idea was they needed the doubts.
It's just the fact that people everybody has doubts, and

(31:43):
Mel is obviously having a lot of doubts. How full
of beIN is But that she said she was on
her own. She didn't have any family, your children, so
all her doubts were kept to herself.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
Really, but the bin said slip on it too.

Speaker 5 (32:00):
I think it was full. But yeah, I think I
just think it's interested in that little little.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
Well, we get a lot of companions helping the doctor, maybe,
like when we get mel and Ruby and Melinda in
the underworld. Plus Rogue is there, so maybe they can all.

Speaker 6 (32:19):
I would love that team up.

Speaker 5 (32:22):
I definitely confess.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
He confessed his love to the doctor too, so that
was like, but he's stuck with we because he went
because he even said he like he's stuck in like
some hell dimension. Thanks, by the way, So that could
be the So what was it says here and I
remember that Omega. They're trying to get Omega out from

(32:44):
the under verse.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
Yeah, I figure that's where Rogue.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
Was, Okay, so that he might be.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
I'm probably wrong about that too.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
So then Rogue could be. I don't know.

Speaker 6 (32:55):
I just want to know what receive powers. The Ronnie
thinks that this baby, this forever baby, has the seventh
son of the seventh son.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
Well, he was the one.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
He was the wish guy.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
The baby, the baby.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
Because every time the ron, yeah, that gave her the
power to do what she wanted.

Speaker 5 (33:26):
Okay, kissed the baby, they make the wish.

Speaker 3 (33:29):
That the first I was like, she's kissing this baby
a lot. It's kind of weird.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
So she grabbed them mainteen sixty five brought him to
where they are now created wish world.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
And then that's the one that's with conray adn't.

Speaker 6 (33:41):
Right, Okay, No, I know, I okay, I get that now.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
So they're kind of the baby is a power source.

Speaker 6 (33:48):
Right, like the conduit to yeah write create.

Speaker 5 (33:51):
There the wishes and the baby make milicies come true
to make this reality I.

Speaker 6 (33:58):
Just saw here, which is very interesting because I've just
wanted to know more about this. I don't know much
in the United States. I feel like we don't have
much about We don't have folklore uh passed down. I mean,
I think we read about it maybe in English classes
and things like that, but it's not something that we've

(34:19):
just grown up knowing about. So Karen with the seventh
Son of the seventh Son, does it depend on region?

Speaker 5 (34:29):
Like it's it is a like a European but I
think it is more year you say Bavaria that it's like,
that's sort of not us, not okay as far as
I know anyway, but it is a past of Europe.
It's it's different stories on about the seventh son of
the seventh Son and the belief to possess special power powers,

(34:52):
especially healing powers. So often in folk stories the seventh
son of the seventh son is a healer of some sort,
or they could have well or some sort of super
supernatural powers. So but it's just like the number sevens
are pretty mystical sort of number anyway in many sort

(35:16):
of religions, including the Bible obviously with what sevent days, right,
that's what was created in and different things like that.
So that's something i'd really heard about before until doing
a little bit of research. But I think, yes, it is.
It is a real thing.

Speaker 6 (35:35):
All right. I just know we don't. I mean, Haley, Brian,
did you grow up like hearing stories about the fay
and like anything like that, because I know I didn't.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
Just read something mainly context for seven Son of a
seven Son was that it was an album that came
out in nineteen eighty.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
Yeah, that's it. That's literally.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
I mean, there was also a song in the sixties
called the Seventh Son, which was had the line in there,
and that's about it.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
But other than that, it's just like.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
Brides for Seven Brothers.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
Talk about that movie should now just be called Stockholm
Syndrome Musical.

Speaker 7 (36:20):
I know, I remember, that's one.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
Of my favorite musicals because I see how many times
in in uh when I worked at Jerlian the dinner
theater I worked at when I was But that story
now is just that's why the one remakes it or
does anything with it because it's so bad. I mean, basically,
do you know the story of seven Brides for seven Brothers? Okay,

(36:42):
so it's big if anyone that doesn't know, they trapped
these seven girls and they pretty much make them fall
in love with them because they can't get through the
past for the winter because their their boyfriends are on
the other side, and by the time it gets done,
there in love with these people like kidnap them pretty much.
I mean pretty much like Beauty the Beast too.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
So yeah, we're not here to talk about that. I have,
you know better.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
I mean a lot of a lot of fair a
lot of fairy tales too, Like there's a difference between
like the Disney version of them and the Grim's fairy
tales are the same thing, like and.

Speaker 3 (37:18):
Yeah, dude, it was dark.

Speaker 5 (37:21):
Oh yeah, if you ever get.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
A change, read this story about Hans Christ and Anderson
and Mark Twain. And I guess he like was obsessed
with him, and Wayne pretty much just told him to
leave him alone.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
I'll call the cops anyways. Uh, anyway, back.

Speaker 6 (37:36):
To Conrad's obsession with the baby.

Speaker 5 (37:42):
It's like the way the baby though baby well both hey,
missus said the baby was terrifying, so and he giggled.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
Yeah, he doesn't cry at all, he just laughs and
then he does the.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
I just think too.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
So that then they explain that the reason why the
Ranie saved him is because he wants his version of
the world, like he.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
Wants that reality. It almost sounds like there's a lot of.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
I hate to use the word like Nazi references, but
there is a lot with him, especially it's a lot.
I mean, it's not it's not taboo to say, but
it's also just like him. It's not like the Master
Race type thing where he's at.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
But he's looking for control.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
Yeah, but then the rod I mean it's almost just like,
oh my god, did you I mean his his version
of what the world should be is what But then again,
they want to make the Ronnie wants to make the
world and just so they can destroy it anyway.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
Is just using Conrad then see as somebody who is
rigid and they're thinking, so, oh, I'll give this rigid
person what they think they want while I use them
to as a means to my own end, which is
to get to Omega.

Speaker 6 (39:05):
Right, I think, yes, needed someone who is just as
but weak.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
I mean Conrad. Yeah, we saw that about him.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
Okay, you know pretty much is done.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
He's pretty much serial then he is from and yeah,
he's pretty much the guy that the bad guys are using,
and then when they're done with them, it's just like boy, okay, perfectly,
there you go.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
That's the analogy.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
I just because they kind of actually have like a
lot of similar Uh.

Speaker 6 (39:34):
She doesn't look like he's always on the verge of tears.

Speaker 5 (39:36):
Though, what about the nasty thing?

Speaker 3 (39:42):
Though?

Speaker 5 (39:42):
There was actually put Conrad posters and various like in
the streets in the unit with the unit's still unit
even though now it's the Unified National Insurance Team well
in the task fold, but one of the posters did
say for the greater good.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 5 (40:00):
Kind of goes back to so he is and obviously
he's got that that perfect society that he's got in
his mind, and so there is definite nods to that.
But it's interested in that the society said hides away
anybody with disabilities, anybody that's not perfect. Obviously being gazed

(40:22):
a bit of a taboo because the way Colonel Abraham
reacted when the doctor called him beautiful. But the racism
but isn't there, which I thought was quite interesting because
there was no he's part of society, There was no
sort of the word I'm trying to.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
They were already doing diabolical things.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
And plus they already that one episode in season one
they hit that so hard, maybe society that we're going
to push that aside, not even in the theater the
one last remember with the society, with the underground, with the.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
Hunt, like yeah, it was like the first or second.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
Episode, Yeah that I mean, it's sort of like you
don't want to keep hitting the same So now it's
it's more of like the However.

Speaker 5 (41:13):
It seems funny that he's got a thing against all
these other what he sees his imperfections. Isn't that kind
of to me?

Speaker 3 (41:22):
Just justn't interesting, Right, You're not redeemable, Conrad. It doesn't matter.

Speaker 6 (41:30):
I'm not racist.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
I'm just wait.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
I'm just waiting till the point because with Ruby, with
her being just like on that cusp of remembering, she
finally does and she's just gonna be like that muther,
Oh like she'll remember how much of us? Yeah, so
that's done for it, knew it at all?

Speaker 2 (41:54):
What do we think? Prediction?

Speaker 1 (41:55):
We got any like outstanding predictions with things that's gonna
happen next week and them loved the title of the episode,
the Reality War. I mean that just sounds so doctor who.

Speaker 3 (42:06):
This is an easy one. But I think missus Flood
is going to get fed up with the Ronnie May.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
I think, yeah, she'll be like an anti hero type
like you know, our enemy enemy and my enemy type thing.
She never seemed evil, she just but she also did
say like when she was talking to Conrad, was like,
would I lie to you? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (42:28):
So she's more like like a poulter Geist type tricky.

Speaker 6 (42:34):
She's like the tricky Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking.
She's like one of those that are well never mind.
I was just gonna say one of those that would
be more of a liar biomission, but no, she literally
said she would let her face never mind that one out.

Speaker 5 (42:51):
But she was like a means to an end, wasn't
she all the time of scene. It's always been like
obviously the vindicate thing was the main the main part
of the series. Really, the Vindicator is what's being used
to do whatever it is the Ronie's doing. But I

(43:14):
don't know. Yeah, I think I do think we'll get
a turn from missus Flood. She might she might team
up with the Susan twist, because it was Susan twist
in this episode.

Speaker 3 (43:24):
Mm hmmmm.

Speaker 5 (43:25):
In a what well it was nating It was mister
episode nineteen sixties with the Beatles. She's in the same
same costume when she was the tea lady in that
in this episode as the tea lady in the unit.
So I think we're going to get a big cameo.

(43:46):
I don't know whether it will be Rogue, whether it'll
be Susan, whether it be somebody completely new, but I
do think we're going to get some sort of cameo,
whether it's Tenant, mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
I think see I brought that up. I mean, what
are you doing? And that would actually be kind of
fun and maybe they regenerate together or something. I don't know.

Speaker 5 (44:11):
I think we're going to get loose ends like Mavadi
and things finished.

Speaker 6 (44:17):
And what the heck happened on May the twenty fourth,
twenty twenty five. Well, because the whole episode, well, I
mean the whole season. You know, they're trying to get
Blenda back, but they can't. No one knows, well, it
seems like anyone who they run into, they don't know

(44:39):
what's earth? What are humans?

Speaker 1 (44:41):
So you listeners are lucky that you're hearing us right now,
because it's twenty six when we'reking.

Speaker 6 (44:46):
So and then you know the constant mentioning of oh tomorrow,
you know what tomorrow is made the twenty fourth. It's
such a don't it's a celebration, an event a yearly. Yes, exactly.
So I guess maybe the next episode would be taking

(45:09):
place on me the twenty fourth, maybe, yeah, And then
we'll finally understand and then Belinda can get back home again. Well, Dorothy,
there's no place like home.

Speaker 5 (45:21):
Did you get the sneak peek for next week at
the end of the episode on Disney polls.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
Yes, I always avoid dose.

Speaker 6 (45:31):
I did not see that.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
Yeah, the thing is on Disney Place here a lot
of times. So as soon as this show ends, it like.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
Pops up with like, oh, you could go and watch
this watch the next episode.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
Sometimes they don't give you the chance to, like involuntarily
keep watching the thing. Like I said, the first time
we were watching it, I fell asleep a bunch of times.
So I watched it this morning, and by the time
I got ended, I stopped it. And because I knew,
I call it the twenty fourth because twenty four yearsed
to like and on a cliffhanger and then go right

(46:03):
into the next week's episode previews like, well, you just
spoiled the cliffhanger. It just happened ten seconds ago by
saying that Jack is going to be in peril. I
knew he wouldn't been, but sometimes you never know. They couldn't,
you know, do a Game of Thrones and even kill
the main character off.

Speaker 5 (46:19):
Right, Brian, I won't spoil it. What I will say
I actually to me there was no major spoilers apart
from it did and I think this was in the
preview rather than in this episode that the Ronnie did
give what her intention was, so which if that is

(46:44):
the big I can't imagine that's a big thing if
they put in the trailer, but it would be interesting
to see what happens with it. So there is sort
of a little bit more information given should you wish
to watch the finale teaser, but I'm not going to
get it out there.

Speaker 6 (47:03):
I'm ready to be surprised.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
Yeah, I don't mind the spoking it at home RD.

Speaker 5 (47:10):
Yeah, I just hope he hits it. I hope he
hits the mark with this one. With Zu Tech last season,
I think mm hmm, it was a bit the build
up was so much in the second last episode that
the finale fell flat a little bit, whereas with.

Speaker 3 (47:27):
This was.

Speaker 5 (47:29):
Episode I kind of feel like it's more being a
more of a slow burn mm hmmm. I'm hoping that
and not as many things being thrown in, so I'm
hoping that there's more opportunity to hit the land and
this this time.

Speaker 6 (47:47):
Fingers crossed.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
There's been a little like I think what was the
the story and the engine That story was the only one.
It seems like it didn't really fit with this season.
In the Suense I guess.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
I mean it was a.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
Standalone and it was a good enough story and stuff
like that, but everything else, it just seems like this
is where the doctor's going to put the little what
the vindicator marker, so he's that's why they're going where
they're going.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
So there is an overlapping thing.

Speaker 7 (48:13):
But it's hap was in that episode as well, right, Oh, in.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
The story and the engine.

Speaker 5 (48:21):
Yes, that's where she appeared in the streets. That's where
Blinda saw in the street. But when she was on
the way to the barber shop.

Speaker 3 (48:28):
The.

Speaker 5 (48:31):
Sorry, I just come blan, this is what I was
gonna say, just me, I just froze.

Speaker 6 (48:40):
Carry on. But speaking of the barber shop, I I
don't know. I know it's not meant to be funny,
but watching their hair grow back, just I thought it
was hilarious.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
It's fun Yeah, it was.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
It was visually just like, oh my god, well they
did all that and then up here comes back.

Speaker 6 (49:02):
Because they had to keep on. It's a cycle, they
had to keep going.

Speaker 5 (49:07):
When you have short hair, it feels like your ha
grows back that quickly.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
It's true.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
Mm hmm. Okay, any other last final thoughts here? Before
we say goodbye to our faithful listeners.

Speaker 5 (49:23):
Um, I've thrown a couple of things. So the doctor's
name was Don John Smith, which is alias that the
doctors used many times all the time. First time was
in nineteen sixty six sixty eight, sorry, in the Wheel
of Time. But when he was in what was the
Scarecrow story called.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
Oh mister, and that was mister I remember which one
it was.

Speaker 5 (49:47):
When Martha was in the Bois school, he was he
was the teacher Smith then as well, So it's it's
a common alias of the doctor. But obviously this time
he didn't know he was using it as Nearli it's
a bit but in that episode again he didn't realize
he wasn't John Smith. So there's some similarities to that episode.

(50:13):
So we've got the Unholy Triad, so we've found out
obviously we've got the Ronnie. Is Conrad part of the triad?
Or is he with the Ronnie? And we've got God
of Wishes as a major part of the Unholy Trinity,
And I'm guessing we'll find that out next week. I
thought it was perfect that Mel did show up in

(50:34):
this episode because Mel was actually in the original episodes
with the original Ronie in Classic Q. So I thought
having mel back is obviously she was visiting Sydney in
the last Conrad episode, so she's back and part of
that story, which was good watching Unleashed it went and

(50:55):
they had a section when they talked about having an
access coordinator on set, so they were really wanting to
make sure that all the access requirements were in place
for all the actors who had specific needs, but not
just for the actors, for the crew as well. So
things like little details in the tent village like the

(51:18):
color of the tents, to make sure that people who
were visually impaid could distinguish between the different tents. They
looked at how the base of the tents so people
in wheelchairs could get in and out. So even though
it wasn't a case of that that were living in
that space, it was thought about it. It was considered
even for the actors making sure that there was access

(51:39):
for them to get around the set. So I think
doctor Who's good at that? We've talked about that in
other episodes, how they've had like a Nigerian consultant in
the story and the engine and what have you. So
they do to diligence. I think it's the main thing
I'm getting at anything else, like how they were still

(52:03):
going on with the Kit and Colonel Abraham and how
they liked each other. And that was quite sweet because
you can see kids melting a little bit because she
was very uptight in this episode. That just blows across realities.
That was nice. Oh and one last thing. I've probably

(52:26):
got more thing in my notes, but the one thing
that really stood out for me was the I think
was a nod to Flash Gordon when the Ronnie was
on the hover board thing. Oh yeah, wonder Flash Gordon
when he's coming like the final sort of battle with them. Oh.

(52:48):
Even I can't remember their name either. He's a baddy
in Flash Gordon.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
Oh them, Oh my god.

Speaker 5 (52:58):
That was just such a nod to U.

Speaker 6 (53:01):
Yeah, anyway, thinking of the Wicked Witch of the West, Yeah,
that's kind of what I was thinking. It was like
flying around.

Speaker 7 (53:16):
I'll get you my pretty.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
But yeah, it a little robotic dog too. Okay, sorry,
I got that frying. Okay.

Speaker 6 (53:28):
I was like, I don't know enough to stand.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
That it was the robotic dog. So anyways, Okay, so.

Speaker 6 (53:37):
I'm bombarded by cats over here coming down jumping on
the table. Hopefully that's not going to come through the recording.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
But Bartered by Cats sounds like a rom com, almost
like what was that?

Speaker 5 (53:54):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
It sounds almost as good as Karen's new reality baking
show Impossible.

Speaker 5 (54:02):
That be good and not By the way, Yes, I
could do a whold of the podcast about that. I
thought's on that when I came out of it as well,
But that's for another show.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
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hopefully with the same with all of us talk about
the finale. But in the meantime, if they want, I
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Speaker 1 (54:54):
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Speaker 2 (55:05):
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