June 1, 2025 • 61 mins
Season 15 of Doctor Who has ended, and the whole crew is here to talk about it. Hayley, Karen, Liz and Brian share their thoughts about "The Reality War": the good, the bad, The Two Ranis, and ALL of the WTF moments that occurred in this finale!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Don't blink, because on this episode of Timey Whymy Talk,
we will be talking about the Reality War, the final
episode of this season of Doctor Who, and all of
the just w TF moments that came with it. So
grab your sonics head to the tartist. But first.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
It's time for the podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Welcome to Time Why We Talk, the podcast that bigger
on the inside.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
I'm Karen, I'm Haley, I'm Liz, and I am confused,
uh with this episode, but I have bustled Brian and
we will be talking about the Reality War, like we said,
and just, oh my god, this was probably.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
One of the most unexpected things I've seen in a while,
in three or four different fronts. And I don't know,
it's just what I mean, I guess we're just jumping
right into this one.
Speaker 5 (01:20):
You've brought up the one. What were the others? So
the first one being.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Shooty being gone, yeah, and just having Jodie back, and
then also just having we don't know the extent of
what Billy Piper's going to do, and it's I don't know,
I don't what what's I guess We'll just jump right
into this and then we can talk about other stuff
later on. After because this has just been a you know,
(01:48):
the one thing I told you when I mentioned that
I had gotten a little bit of a spoiler was
that it was the right when this episode ended yesterday,
the Facebook page and doctor Who mentioned Jody being on
the show. It was like, okay, at least it wasn't
like I went back and looked later and it says
we say goodbye to shooting, and I go, it's been
(02:08):
like an hour. Relax, Doctor Who Facebook page.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
That's why I don't go on social media.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Well, I was even I wasn't even looking for it,
and I didn't even think about it at first, and
then all of a sudden, I'm like, oh this, Oh okay,
I'm just just going to walk home and just not
look at my phone at all. That I have been
off over the last six hours because I'm at work
and stuff like that. So, Hayley, you're just generic initial thoughts.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
There's nothing generic about okay.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
I know that I like quick, like bullet point type review.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
I was mostly confused throughout the episode, and I know
Karen and I talked a little bit together like afterwards
about the confusion of it all. I haven't sent her
my notes with that are like, this is weird, this
is super weird. I'm utterly confused, and then huh so
that was like my stream of consciousness. But yeah, that
was pretty much it. I did find this eerily similar
(03:09):
to the Agents of Shield series finale, like some very
beat for beat moments.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
That's interesting because I didn't watch. I didn't get all
the way through Agents of Shield, so I can't wait
to hear more about that.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Just the time travel and the whole Honestly, like the
poppy stuff is like lifted like right out of Agents
of Shield exactly. Okay, it was kind of funny, like
going into the little room and stuff like that was funny.
But I liked it. I just thought it was a
little disjointed.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Perhaps it's definitely one I need to rewatch again with
like the concept in the headspace of knowing what's happening
before I get more into it. Liz, what did you well?
Speaker 3 (03:58):
First? You go first? As I enjoyed it, I agree
with Harley, Yes, the poppy element of it was confusing.
I liked all the Easter eggs that were in there
and all the nods back to different things from Shoot
these seasons, both seasons. Funnily the last thing I said
(04:21):
before the episode started last night, I said to Gavin,
I wonder if we're going to get a Regender regeneration,
and sure enough one came along because just in my
mind the two year thing, I just had a feeling
that Shootings contract was going to be the same as
the Disney Plus contract. And he's a star on the rise,
(04:44):
so why would he stay longer? So that didn't surprise me.
I'd kind of seen spoilery stuff about Jody and about
Billy Piper. All people talked talking about the if booth.
Maybe he's of it. So it was pleasant to say,
(05:05):
but not totally surprising. But overall an enjoyable episode. A
bit disjointed, as you say, a bit confusing, but yeah,
overall enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Now, if I'm not mistaken in the New Who, which
is twenty years old, now, is this the first time
a regeneration hasn't been like previously announced? With everything going on,
where we knew something was coming like the Doctor this
would like we knew Jody's last episode, we knew Matt
Smith and Peter Copali's last episode, we knew, we didn't
(05:38):
know what was always going to happen in extent. I
think the one that Jody going into David second time
was a surprise because we had announced Shooty. But this
was the first time, I think. I can't remember another
time where it was like we didn't know that there
was going to be a regeneration because it's always been planned.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Yeah, we even knew about the Christopher Egleston one because
something something got leaked about that because he didn't intend
to say anything. So I know that thing everyone but
like RTD said in the past, is just they get leaked.
So that's why they go ahead and announce it, because
(06:16):
it would get leaked anyway. So but this time it didn't.
So yeah, first time.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
It is pleasantly surprised. What however, it took me a minute.
I was like, that's Billy, but the eyebrows are different.
But it's Billy.
Speaker 6 (06:39):
You know, she's got very distinct She's got those very
distinct Maybe it's just me, I don't know from it's
maybe she's got that brown group. But then I looked
at Brian and I said, wait, has this ever happened
(07:01):
before where a doctor where the doctor regenerates in the
image of somebody that they've known, or just a human
in general, or is it like, go ahead, Brian.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
No, I was going to say one time, it's happened,
but it's a companion nor.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
Right and how and why? And I would like to
get answers for those, And yes, I'd like to get
a lot of answers for a lot of other questions
that I have pleasantly surprised to see. Anita, right, that's
her name? Yeah, yeah, that was meat. I like the
way that they wrapped the Time Hotel into it and
(07:46):
the previous characters that we've seen before. That was really
nice to get that that tie in. Okay, Poppy, so
I so if reality shifted just a tiny degree and
(08:12):
they retro I'm like trying to think about it say this.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
That's confusing to me to think produce saying.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
Especially because Bobby the d I haven't looked it up,
just been busy with other things. But is she looks
exactly the same as Poppy from Space Babies, just a
year older?
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (08:36):
Am I wrong?
Speaker 3 (08:37):
I mean that's the same one, right, born from the
doctor's memories. So she's born from the doctors and it.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Looks like her, but it's not the same kid that
played it in Space Babies. Then I think it looked
a little different, but.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
She is though she seems to be the same child,
and like the even the hairstyle is similar.
Speaker 7 (08:59):
You know.
Speaker 5 (08:59):
I feel like tried to maybe have her look.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
I think some problem copy is they made it seem
like it was their daughter with with there being no
like that made no sense, no matter, it made sense
in the wish world, and it didn't make sense after that,
like right. I think that was the story beat that
got me really because I was like, this is their daughter.
This is super weird, and they just kept calling it
(09:26):
their daughter and I was like, yeah, huh, like how
and Ruby comes along, She's like that's not possible, is it?
You know, it was kind of like it was a
little too we needed a few more breadcrumbs.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
I feel like, yeah, because she was the lynchpin. Because
it wasn't her, it whole storyline goes away because she's
the one that kept me. He was just like, oh,
the baby's gone, and then now the crib's gone, and
then she was the one that kept adimally going. There
was this kid, there was your daughter. Now let me
ask you this, because he did the thing where he
(09:59):
saved because it was just a degree off and then
it came back. Are we led to believe that Belinda
Chandra always had Poppy or they retroactively because they never
mentioned that. Yeah, okay, they never mentioned it before at all.
Or maybe it was just like a like not a
lie by omission, but it was just a story beat
(10:20):
that was left because she kept saying she has to
be back on this time.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
So is that she's going to be.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Back at seven am on March twenty fourth or something? So,
now is this reality where Poppy is there? Is this
the actual right reality? Or is this a skewed reality
now because Poppy is there because she wasn't there before.
So I'm thinking that the reality that we ended the
episode on where they regenerated into Billy Piper is not
(10:48):
the correct reality.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
That's what I was thinking. We're not in the in
the in the sacred timeline something. That's kind of the
idea that I Although I really appreciated this scene, Oh going.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Back to.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Not Billy.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Jody Ruby, Yes, thank you.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
There's so many women with different.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Hair, they're all named Jody Ruby.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
Happy right, and then so it seemed like she she's
also the one who was the first to question reality
in the Wish World.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Mm hmmm, yeah, so she had a basis in the reality,
the main reality, where everyone else didn't, even the doctor.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
But how and why.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
RTD's explanation is that it's because of seventy three yards.
It's our experiences in seventy three yards and being in
that reality, and that's the reason why Ruby can remember
things others can't. Because I was, I had the same thoughts.
And then to say in an interview, he mentioned that,
so that kind of okay.
Speaker 5 (12:05):
I was, Yeah, I was wondering. I couldn't remember the
name of the episode, but I just kept thinking of
scenes from that episode, and how if.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
She remembers the main reality, then is the one because
of that? So it's her remembering Poppy. Is that correct then?
Or was she just remembering it from the Wish World time.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
The Wish World she recognized it from.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Look at her face, was like, there's so much stuff. Yeah,
it's just like I think they left the Billy Piper
regeneration not fully finished, because there could be another like
our third by Generation in a matter of like fifteen
episodes where.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
The kind of put a nail in the by Generation
the whole thing. Because said she had a little side
note about it being the end of my generation. Just
before we put all the regeneration and energy and of
the toddest console, there was a comment about that no
(13:16):
chance of buy Generation so and I think that's good.
I think it was. It was it was a fun gimmick.
It's happened twice now and I think it's good that
it's They didn't get rid of Mavity, which I thought
that might might have done something to get rid of Mavity.
But yeah, I think by Generations a thing of the
past now. But saying about the alternate reality, I think
(13:41):
they're in He's still in it. I think the blenda
with with the Poppy and the being back for seven
thirty am on the twenty fourth, I think that's all
an alternative timeline sort of situation, and I think that's
how they're gonna get around the Billy. I don't think
(14:05):
Billy's the next doctor. I think Billy. I think Billy's
a placeholder. Because they don't know what's happening with the series.
They haven't got any decisions about contracts, so there weren't
really going to cast somebody. They wanted to do the regeneration,
but they weren't really going to cast the next doctor
because the next series might be in two three four
(14:27):
years time and you don't know where you're going to
be as an actor in that amount of time. So
whether she is sort of like there's something where the
Doctor goes back to our time, our reality, and within
that the regeneration sort of changes, or whether they use
(14:47):
Billy to day, maybe a Christmas special before the proper
series starts. But I don't think it's a I don't
think she's a sixteenth Doctor. That's just my my thoughts.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
Anyway, I think everything you said makes complete sense.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Just one one last thing on that and the end credits.
It started with shooting gat Where was the doctor? Jodie
Whittaker as the doctor introducing Billy Piper. It didn't say
the doctor. Okay, every other regeneration at the end, because
I am sad, and I have looked through and I
have screenshot, I have every other regeneration. The credits always
(15:30):
hard David Tennant as the doctor, Matt Smith as the doctor. Okay,
that might be a little bit of a good sluicing.
I'm sad.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Was was Billy Piper's last appearance? Was it on the
in the fiftieth I'm trying to think of other than
because she was the I think so whatever whatever that
was called, where she was the because he wasn't Rose,
she was the yeah that I'll come back, because that's
what I was thinking. What that was is that maybe
(16:05):
they might do something because remember during the fiftieth they
had that little like, uh, the what was the name
of the the Night of the Doctor, the Knight of
the Doctor with Paul McGann, where he regenerates into the
War Doctor. So maybe this might be ended up being
like she is, like something that's sort of like the
Fugitive Doctor or the War Doctor or something where it's
(16:28):
just like a it's not a well but that's the
thing is, though those ones all take place in the
right or it's just a matter of see that's the
thing is we got to us talking about this because
it's sort of just like, it's not black and white,
it's what the hell does happened?
Speaker 3 (16:44):
True?
Speaker 5 (16:44):
I have to say, though I was I'm a lot
happier with this final episode than I was with the
last season.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Well, both of them had the same things. I think
with both episodes had the uh the I don't know,
I don't want to try to sound too negative about it,
but Omiga is su tech. Where it was a mcguffin
that had no point other than to bring back an
old timey uh you know villain that was basically powerless.
(17:19):
And then he just take the vendicator and go back
in your cage and shut the door, and that was
about it.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
On the Ronnie just gets eaten Like that part, I
was like, well, okay, and.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Then they I don't know, the business Flood's like, I'm
out of here.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Yeah, I love that. Missus blood is still around though.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
My second well my second watch this morning, and I
don't It's probably not a reference that you would get,
but there was a comment just when missus Flud picked
up the braceleted thing and she said, so much for
the Two Ronnie's and then she said it's a good
night from me. There was in the A T seventies
(18:01):
eighties it was a comedy duo called the Two Ronnies
over here, and and the program by saying it's a
good knife from him, and it's a good knife from me.
So it was little, oh, okay, I've got it the
first time. Imagine I was send this morning. Either had
(18:21):
this one he's like, oh yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Yeah, maybe the wish baby Ruby wishes Conrad be happy,
and then it's just gone, yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Well the way it didn't that baby got given to
Ruby's moment. Oh yeah, that's right, cars someday.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
But that's that baby is completely out of I mean,
it's in the wrong timeline, I guess because she was
born like what in the sixteen hundreds or something, and
then brought here by you know, the Ronnie at the
beginning of last episode with that family where they turn
them all into ducks anyway, so I guess they couldn't.
I guess they couldn't care for a baby duck.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
So no, and I suppose in this uh, in the future,
you know, better opportunities.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Yeah, got only different except for you know, they got
to get him all the updated with all the right
like vaccines so they don't get like the plague or something.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Now the doctor took care of all the paperwork already.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
I did think the one I'd laughed out loud a
few times in this, But the funny one was when
Jody shows up and they say something to the extent
of like, well, at least you're not the other one
he has a tendency to like show his feets around
here a lot, and the first thing in my mind,
I'm like, oh God, yes, you know, I don't think
we might not have seen the end of David Tennant
(19:47):
because he's still technically out there, but especially with he
I would I would love to see him now interact
with whoever Billy Piper is, because she is some she
has to be some kind of time lord or whatever,
because it's not. I love how the funny thing is
in a lot of the things I'm reading with reviews
when people are like, I don't understand how Rose can be.
(20:09):
It's not Rose. It's literally Billy Piper. It's the same,
it's the actress who played Rose. But I'm pretty sure
that this is not anything to do with Rose except
the way it looks. And I think, Liz, you brought
up a good point about this where you mentioned something
about because I think didn't they didn't the doctor say
something or there was a point in the story about
(20:31):
the companions.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
He well, he chuty doctor, Yeah, he was like I
don't want to do this alone.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Was that how Rose like.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
To remind the doctor that they need to go back,
and like, you don't leave your companion, like once your
last adventure with the companion on the screen shouldn't be
in The Doctor who timeline the last time you see
that companion, you know, because like mel had been a
while since they saw Mel, or like Sgene, all these
old people. It's just like the Doctor has a tendency
(21:07):
when our companion is done in on screen, they're done
like they don't see and that you don't. I don't
know what he really comprehends the amount the impact he
has on.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Well, somebody says you're just specs to him, like you
are really just you humans are just is it the wrong?
You are just barely dust in a time Lord's eyes basically,
And the Doctor does not refute that statement.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Well, in Going Back to School Reunion, just mentioned Sarah
Jane before Rules had a conversation with the Doctor in
that episode where she said, well, you've never mentioned it.
You've never mentioned Sarah Jane, And the Doctor turned around
and says, because you get liby life, I outlive all
(21:58):
of you. It's too painful because I would have to
watch every single one if you die. So it's easier
basically for me to cut all ties and just leave
you to get on with your life and I'll get
on with mine, rather than make carry on and say,
have to go through that lost time and time again.
So that's kind of the reasoning they gave for the
(22:22):
the fact that you don't see many companions after he's
after he's left them.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Right, it would almost be you know, like a thing
where if he could see and I've thought of this
before too, where like when the doctor leaves a companion,
he does something to them within a matter of amount
of time, like they forget about him, because but then
they forget about all of the stuff they've done which
has shaped their life. But then also just like I mean,
(22:52):
they even said it in this one episode where it
was was it Ruby or Anita? Someone was just like
they spend their free time looking for the doctor was
so it's just like and even that wasn't a companion
that was st someone that knew who he was and
what he could do and spend well, they spent a
year together, right.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
I think with Anita maybe it was a little bit
different because they it wasn't it was just the mundane
everyday things that I want to say, didn't the doctor
at that point it seems he was sort of yearning
for sort of to know what that normalcy is and like,
(23:31):
I don't know, but I've yeah, from anything that I've
seen of Doctor who, it seems like this incarnation has
been the most human, maybe when it comes to attachments
and emotion and like wearing your heart on your sleeve.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
So that he kissed and she's like, wait, what I
do that now?
Speaker 5 (23:57):
Yes, exactly, And that's another example. So I think that
it's much different with Anita and the Doctor because they
both needed each other at that time. Anita seemed, you know,
she was just like I just work and that's what
I do. And they spent holidays together and they they
did everything together, and it was they became really close
and best friends when they didn't really it seemed like
(24:19):
Anita didn't really have anybody else. But I would think
so because she she didn't have anybody else because she
kept trying to find him. Never forgot right.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
But I should stop trying to find him when she
saw him with Rogue and realized that he was he
was had feelings for Rogue, so she was the point
where she stopped looking for him, and that's when she
went to hr So.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
To move on and question do you think that she
just didn't realize that he it isn't I mean, I
don't we never really discuss or hear what he He
seems to be attracted to men throughout this whole series.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Yeah, I don't think she knew that because they, like
you said, they just spend time with each other the.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Whole time, and he didn't affect.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
He's affectionate. He's affectionate. But also I think that he
I always think of the doctor like especially shoot, he's
is sort of like Captain Jack where he's like omn sexual,
where he just loves life. But maybe it was like
he didn't, Like I said, this was the first doctor.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
It's pretty outwardly gay. I'd say he like takes plenty
of comments to say like like he and Belinda, it's
like like even Ruby's I know, like you would guys
wouldn't have a child together. Like I think that it's
implied through several statements that he's gay.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Had no idea and.
Speaker 5 (25:51):
That's what when during that, Like how did she not know?
But then also maybe that's not what she say, it
was just right. Maybe it was just this was her
closest companion, this was her best friend. She saw he
made another connection with somebody and thought, Okay, well that
chapter's over, even though it was platonic, I need to
(26:15):
move on as well. Maybe that's what that was. I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Yeah, you would think that something may have came up
in that year they spent together with her knowing you know,
his and yet he was going to be here for
the year and like knew everything sort of, I mean
pretty much.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
It was never him saying I'm this way, but something
would happen and the response would be, oh no, but I'm.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Like this No, I mean like not like his sexual orientation,
but like something might have happened between the two of
them in that year where she could have like maybe
like like she might have kissed him or attempted to
kid and then him being like, sorry, I don't feel
that way. Maybe, or she might have just been just
a whole time like where we're mates, you know, where
(27:03):
we're friends, we're doing this, and but in that time
she after he left started to felt like, oh she
really missed him and there might have been something more there.
So that's why. Plus the one thing that she had
that all the other companions didn't have is the time
hotel to look for the doctor, so she like wouldn't
be sitting there because there's like there's been episodes of
Doctor who words the people that have seen the doctor
(27:25):
and then they formed groups to sit around and wait
for him to show up again, you know. So with her,
at least she has she has the opportunity to go
anywhere in space and time really to look to see
where he's at, you know, because of the hotel.
Speaker 5 (27:41):
Yeah, all I know is I hope we see her again.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
That would be cool.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Yeah, I did enjoy her as a character.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
I have left that the boss spit danglin, haven't this?
So there's always the opportunity to find out who the
boss of the time hotel is. That so said, I'll
just park that. Yes, that was definitely at going.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
The other thing I thought of, too, was the fact
is that so we find out now. I didn't even
really think about it. The one guy, remember that the
toy maker, where he was like the one person he
was afraid of that he didn't deal with it. That
was oga right because he was basically saying, like, no
(28:26):
where the toy maker. He was like there was one
guy like he there was one are Omega? Well they
call him, they call him.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Like, I'm already confused.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
I know, well the way they don't pronounce it omega
in the show.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Okay, but we do because we're from the Midwest.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Okay. Yeah, he's supposed to be I mean he I mean,
I know his story from before, but then they make
him look like this, just like, okay, yeah he was
a Yeah, he was easy to. He was easy to
you know, repel and put back in a spot. So
it was just like the build up to this whole
(29:06):
big bad was like, wah, wah, wah.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Take it down to the power of so many billion supernovas.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Which the doctor wielded very easily.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
I did like that a little bit because he was like,
but what if I just had a weapon that was
conveniently exactly what I need right by me.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Here's the vindicator.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
He did set it up.
Speaker 5 (29:31):
You know, it was nicely, I think.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
But yes, So back to the Belinda and Poppy of
it all. Here's my thing. We're always given the impression
Blinda wants to get home to her parents. She talks
about her parents constantly. Yes, I think that if the
storyline had been Blinda needs to get home, but she
can't remember why. I might have liked that a little better.
Speaker 5 (29:56):
I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
I like that, yeah, because now it makes it question
what's going on here? Like okay, now, not to.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Be all agents of shield serious finale about it, but
that would have worked better for me.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Just to be explicit, just to s yeah, have some
reasoning about that's what this Blinda wanted. But this isn't
the Blinda that I've been traveling with. This is a different,
different Blinda that's been traveling with a different maze sort
of thing which is.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Made She wants to go out now, she wants to
go travel with the doctor and all of this, and
Ruby is the one, like you said, Brian, like what
about Poppy? What about your child? What about Poppy? I
felt bad for Ruby. I feel like she's getting the
short end of the stick on some of these storyline.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
Right being Gaslet, I was getting.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Everyone was just like what's wrong with you? Like Unit
and all these people. She's like, no, I'm wait what
And then at least they didn't get her to start,
you know, second guessing or.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Something like that.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
No, there was a little baby and a crib and
you guys were fun, and then all of a sudden
it was just like it's gone.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
That was really cool though, the way that the visual
that they had of them folding up poppies her caust Yeah,
and getting smaller and smaller and I'm like, why are
they handing it bag and forth?
Speaker 3 (31:21):
That's really weird.
Speaker 5 (31:23):
Oh, I see, that was really neat.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
And the conversation that will happen moved away from Poppy
as well. If you notice at the beginning about the
three of them going and traveling and what they're going
to do, and then it slowly as the material got
smaller and smaller and it's more about what they were
going to do where they were going to go. Yes,
so you could tell that with those motions.
Speaker 5 (31:46):
Yes, I think I like that a lot better as
a visual, rather than we see Poppy sitting in the
cat and then she just vanishes. That would have been
much too cheesy. I think this was this.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
And I think a lot of people might have had
ps PTSD from like a vendors with people like disappearing.
That'd be like, oh, no, they're gone.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Everybody got dusted. At the end of the last series. Oh,
I forgot about that.
Speaker 5 (32:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Again, like I think maybe it would have been too
traumatic to have this child and then be like the
child is gone but.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
Or never existed.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Yeah, Like we can't be okay if they said Poppy
actually never existed. She was part of the wish world.
And now I'm taking Belinda home to her parents. Like,
I think either of those two band aids just would
have made this work a little more effectively. I don't know.
They shift and real I get it, but it's kind
(32:47):
of too many things.
Speaker 5 (32:49):
Yes, was it a way to show everyone maybe what
the doctor's true, because you know, he doesn't like to
talk about himself and who he is and where he's from,
doesn't like to talk about too many personal things, right,
he just goes and goes and goes, and that's what
(33:09):
he does. Do you think that maybe because he was
so excited about having a child, well he thought he
had a child, that maybe that's sort of his deepest
isn't he wants a family, something stable and steady.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Well we also have the threat of the granddaughter. Yes,
it's right, it was all too much, I think with Susan.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
I mean, that's the thing I was thinking too, was
is like, is Susan even though our whole time he's
she's been he's been saying that Susan's been his granddaughter.
But now we find out is like I was going
to ask Karen, this is this the first time that
we've ever heard them say that time lords are sterile
and they can't have kids because of I mean, they
(33:54):
were created, so to speak, but are they Like where
does Susan fit into it? And that's a lot of stuff.
Was just like it was confusing.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
I want to know too, especially with.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Her being brought up in the last few episodes. Susan
was physically and also just like you know, reminding the
Doctor of everything. It's just like, where is it going
with it? Is the family part of that, you know
what he was trying to hook onto where the Doctor
wants family, his head family. But now we're thinking like,
how is it. How is Susan his related to him
(34:26):
physically now or is it just sort of like, oh,
this is my granddaughter because.
Speaker 5 (34:31):
Biological it's just right, Karen, Well, what.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
My thing was is I was trying to work out
the the the cause was it when the Master went
back and destroyed Gallifree in Julie's era? Is it because
that it could be that which is a long time
after sort of like Susan and her parents would have
(34:58):
been around. That is it the Time War was something
that happened during the Time War. I haven't researched that,
so I don't know if for certain, because it did
say particularly what what the cause was, but I don't think.
I don't think it's changed in past history. I think
(35:20):
it's something that's happened since I'm just wondering whether it's
linked in with the Time War.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
That's us because I think also too, when Ronnie was
explaining to the doctor how she survived when all of
the like the time lords were wiped out and she
was once she say like she's she like cloaked her
DNA or something or second out of time and then
came back and so she wasn't there. So I mean,
that's always the whole. I love the fact I think
(35:50):
it happened twice or it was happened. When Jody and
Judie were talking about the whole, they brought up the
timey wimy thing a couple of times.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
It's like that's always yes, we have Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Well that's the perfect because it's the easiest way to
especially a doctor who explained things it is. It's the
it's there, get out of your free card. It's like, oh,
it's all timing. Why we don't worry about it. It's like, well,
we sort of have to now because it's just like
where we where? What? Where reality? Did the show end in?
You know, so.
Speaker 5 (36:22):
We will hopefully find out.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
I did see something too though where our TD said recently,
like the show is going to continue, we just don't
know where when, with who whatever it's you know, they
they there's too much history on it, but we don't
know what's going to happen with the whole Disney Plus
of at all.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Yeah. I was listening to some a different podcast today
and they were they were speculating, which I thought was hilarious.
They were speculating, not Disney Plus and got did the
two year deal with Who because the BBC owned the
rights to bluey Oh my god, Blue on Disney Plus.
(37:08):
BBC bought it to get Doctor Who sort of on
a streaming service and that's why it ended up on.
To be honest, I don't I don't think. Well, I
think there could be some truth truth in that because
Blue is such a big phenomenon.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Blue is kind of a big deal I think in America.
They mentioned like in twenty twenty four, it was viewed
like thirty some percent of the streaming on Disney Plus
in America was Bluey. I mean that's like, compared to
everything that's on their thirty some percent was just Bluey.
That's ridiculous, Like a huge amount.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
It was true, But I don't I don't. I kind
of say it's staying on Disney Plus. I think they've
done it. They've done their base. Whether or not, I
think the BBC will continue. I think there will be
a break HIGHERTUS.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Sorry.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
I think it'll stay with Bad Wolf Productions, whether they
I know they link with Sony, but Sony don't have
their own streaming service. So whether or not they're trying
and just get a streaming service involved just as a
distributor rather than the money and they just go back
(38:41):
to BBC, fun't it. I don't know. I just I
think the Disney Plus thing probably is an end.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
I think it was just a money thing. Personally. Doesn'ty
could give them the budget maybe that they were wanting, And.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
We've seen that. Like I said, these last couple of episodes,
a lot of the special effects, especially with like the
bone dinosaurs and.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
The generation.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
Was it looked a lot, you know, better than some
of I mean, it's never going to go back to
some of the you know Tom Baker where they jump
in the set moves like the walls move because it's
basically like cardboard and stuff like that. But there has
been times when watching even like under chib Noel and
(39:31):
under Moffett, where the special effects have been like less
than stellar. But it's it's it's almost like that factor
whose thing.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
It's it's too polished now for my lighting. If I'd
prefer it to be more like two thousand and five
when it came back. Oh yeah, I think I've got
the Marvel and my Star Wars and all the other
things for the the CGI and the a little bit
cGy is fine, don't mind it bit of green screen
(40:02):
here and there. But I like the practical effects. I
like that there's still doing quite a lot of that.
But yeah, it's just a little bit too polished, I
think for me. But well, I guess.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
Karen was telling me to watch Torchwood and it's on
HBO Max, and I watched the first episode today and
then it also showed me that like Jodi Whittaker's Doctor
Who season is on HBO Max so I wonder if
the next American streaming service to pour money att might
end up being HBO.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Because I think most of the because the only thing
that's on Disney Plus is the stuff from the Disney
Plus times. Yes, Max has all the rest of the
stuff because that's where we've been watching it. That's all
the stuff that came before two thousand and five, I
think is only available on britt Box through Amazon. And
(40:56):
but Torchwood, Yeah, torch Wood is great. It's a little
dark and a lot more adult. But the character development
and interaction with Jack and oh my god, what's the
name of the main guy, Yan Yanto, Yeah, is just
uh it just with all that the first two seasons
(41:18):
was because there was only what two seasons, and then
there was all those little uh.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
Yeah, you had the two seasons, and then you had
the event once you had Children of Earth, which, as
I said, Haley, I'm still traumatized. I don't know how
many years later, ten years later, I've watched it once.
I can never watch that again.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
And also Peter Copoly is what Peter Capoli's in that
one too, is a different character too.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
Politician.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Yeah, he's a politician. And then it comes back for
that ten episode of season four, which was the no wait,
it was Children of Birth. The third wait, which is
the which was the final series.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
Final series was the one which was part funded by
an America. It was it Star or something like that,
so a lot of it was based in America. I
can't remember what it was called, butte like that say
that again.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
I'm sorry range that it's all parsed out like that,
But the BBC has it on all these different miracles.
I know it's money, it's money, but.
Speaker 5 (42:21):
Like it always is, it's always about money.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Yeah, Miracle Day was the one where it was basically
like everyone, uh, everyone in the world stops dying and
then uh they have to deal with that for like
a day and then it was all after it. I
like that that one too, But yeah, Children of Birth
was very you all just have to watch it. So yeah, I.
Speaker 5 (42:52):
Know, I've got so many things on my list right now.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
One thing I also didn't like about this episode and
then I'll stop talking about how things I didn't like
was it Unit chipped all of its employees, because I
think that that's really creepy. I didn't like it at all.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
Oh, with like the little when the things.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
Started, Like I was like, you know.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
Maybe they might explain that why they happened to do that.
And the next thing that we're going to see, which
is the war between the Land and the Sea. I
don't know if you guys saw the little teaser or
the trailer for that, but that one looks, you know, uh,
really good.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
Yeah, it looks polished. It looks like, yes, it's going
to have the sci fi, but it looks more like
a drama. Well, well, I would say it was a drum.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
I think it has a little bit more like the
torch wood side to it. Yeah, where it's like, but
the guy that's the main character, that's not Alonzo, right, yeah?
Is it Alonzo?
Speaker 3 (43:51):
Okay, it's the same, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
It's the same actor. But I'll always remember when with
it with Ted where he's like I always wanted to
say this, Alonso.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
And Cuckoo and Barros. She's not playing Martha Jones' sister.
She's in it, but is she's also a different character.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
Okay, Well, like I said, Peter Capaldi has been three
different characters in the whuniverse.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
So oh, It's happened many times, especially in All Too.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
Yeah, and and the the the one girl that plays
who's the Gwen? Is that Gwen on torch Wood? Yeah,
she was in the Vampires of Venice I think.
Speaker 3 (44:34):
No, she was in the the Charles Dickens episode.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
Okay, but she was like a she was like a monster.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
Wasn't No, she was a maid undertakers made Okay.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
I know. But so then it's just that we're using
characters in their universe, like Karen Gillen was in Buyers
of POMPEII with Peter Capaldi, and I think there was
one other one I thought of too, but it was
just that's just what they do. So we'll find out
what Billy Piper is playing because like they said in
(45:05):
the credit, so she's not the doctor or is she?
Or maybe not? You know, maybe maybe the alternate reality doctor.
Speaker 2 (45:12):
What does she and Tennant's doctor get together in a
special and then they generate into I just want his
to generate into another one. Apparently that's like my only
But like what if they're like, Okay, we're gonna become
one doctor again, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (45:25):
Yeah, squish them all together.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
Yeah, put them all together again.
Speaker 3 (45:30):
So okay, joined some easters and things definitely yes. So
the z room that Susan Triad made very quickly, I
thought it was very reminiscent of the Pandorica from that. Yeah,
(45:51):
it just seems sort of thing putting them in to
protect them just looks different.
Speaker 5 (45:56):
That's still a cube, well true on the inside.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
The time ring that the Ronnie had I thought was
just a twist on the Captain Jack's vortex. I noticed
when she showed the Doctor he had a little giggle
to himself because he always put the makeout of Captain
Jack as it said it was like riding a space
hopper compared to his I think he said like sports
(46:22):
car was the tardest. So I did like the fact
that he giggles when he saw that, because it was
definitely called back to that when he when he yelled
back into Hell to Omega is exactly what happened at
the end of Tenants, either his last episode when the
Master was shooting his whatever it was energy at the
(46:44):
time loads and the tenth Doctor shouted back into Hell
rustle on. So the little call back to that one.
The machine, the backpack thing that Ruby used to trans
transport to the thing and the bone struct was the
(47:05):
indigom machine, which was first introduced in Stolen Earth, so
Martha used it to escape the Daleks in New York,
and it was a prototype at the time because Jack
didn't want her to use it. So it's as going
back to two thousand and seven, a little bit of
a one there when Doctor thirteen turned around and said
(47:31):
that I don't like it about the tartars. I was
a nod back to the Tenth Doctor in the fiftieth
anniversary special when he went he was in Matt Smith's
tartars and he said, I don't like it. You've made changes,
so I'm not there. And just the last little one
is when Ronnie did a speech you mentioned before about
(47:56):
the humans being like creatures dust to the Doctor and
I've come blank. The Brigadier's daughter.
Speaker 1 (48:11):
The what now, Kate, Yes, Kate, Kate.
Speaker 3 (48:17):
Yeah, Kate said sometimes I think we're all your children,
And that's another nod back to when dav Ross called
the Doctor's companions the children of time. There was quite
a few little easters. I've probably missed a lot of them,
but they were the ones.
Speaker 1 (48:35):
That wasn't what Rose or Billy Piper said when she regenerated.
Would she say like oh, hello there or hello hello.
That was They said that there was a reference to
something that Rose had said, and I can remember it
offhand because it was just like Rose didn't have like
(48:55):
many I wouldn't say catchphrases except for like yelling at
her mom. That was. You know, I think I think
I have a tendency to think that it's going to
be that Rose is going to be something to remind
the doctor about the companions to be a little bit more,
because they said they mentioned it a few times where,
(49:18):
you know, especially with how they brought back you know,
I don't think it was coincidental that Mel was there
and Mel was also around when Ronnie before, because they
even mentioned like oh you know you're still here, or
the writing said like mentioned something.
Speaker 5 (49:35):
So one thing that I just remembered that I keep
thinking of. I don't know, like it was kind of
confusing but kind of not and I was trying to
fit it in when I don't remember which one of
which Ronnie it was, whether it was missus Flood or
(49:55):
it was Ronnie when she says to the this whole
time or not verbatim, but this whole time, haven't you
wondered where your tartis is and then everything around him disappears, dissipates,
and he's in his tartis.
Speaker 3 (50:14):
Well, the tartis was the wish room. That's why he
stories Okay, all right. I was like, I need, which
is why the Ronnie didn't want him going in, which
is why she just didn't because and he would realize
it was the.
Speaker 5 (50:32):
Yeah, I was like, okay, So he was there the
whole time and all right, all right.
Speaker 1 (50:37):
One last thing I thought was cool too, though, is
when he showed up the doctor showed up at Unit
HQ with Anita, and then he's starting to explain the
stuff to them, and then all of a sudden, when
they all realize where they are, like everyone's coffee cup
just falls through the breaks, Like okay, that's like the
cool because they had set it up as that this
is the reality break where you know something's up and
(50:59):
then boom, everyone's done it. They're all like, oh.
Speaker 2 (51:02):
My god, I'm wearing you taste line. I meant tweets.
Speaker 3 (51:09):
And I was disgusted at being a housewife.
Speaker 5 (51:12):
Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 3 (51:17):
It's quite funny. I was watching watching Telly well before
we started this and what came on. But The Poseidon Adventure,
which I love. I love a good old disaster film.
But the line in his bogue nine is still alive.
Yeah that was funny too, one hundred and fifteen or
something if he was. But but yeah, it just happened
(51:40):
that I was watching The Poseidon Adventure with him in.
Speaker 1 (51:44):
And then also what the one thing I thought was
cool too when the reality came back, when Dinna's daughter's
name Broh, then she pops up and they're like, of
course he would reckon, like he wouldn't think of you
being here.
Speaker 5 (51:58):
I didn't know that they were going to actually verbally
say that out loud. You know. I thought it was
just going to be, ah, we'll just say that people
understand why she didn't exist in Conrad's version of reality.
But I'm glad that they.
Speaker 1 (52:18):
Oh yeah, they reckon that. They basically like.
Speaker 5 (52:20):
How I was thinking when she reappeared. I was like, oh, yeah,
because people like her shouldn't exist apparently, according according Accordon,
I just don't know why I said it like that
according to Conrad.
Speaker 3 (52:35):
Conrad, why why wasn't she then with Shirley is one
of the outcasts, because that's what I said about they
because he doesn't give them him them a mind sort
of thing. So he did think about them, which is
why they can kind of do us. We talked.
Speaker 2 (52:56):
Race didn't seem to be an issue actually right other.
Speaker 5 (53:00):
Well, I think it was like, according to Conrad, yes,
these people exist, and I acknowledge that they exist. If
you are blind, if you are disabled, if you are
you know, anyone that you would find. I know that
there's several that I'm not listing right now, but anyone
that you would find in like the camp that they
(53:23):
had set up. But he cannot comprehend somebody like Rose
who's born one gender, you know, assigned at birth, and
then has transition to another.
Speaker 2 (53:38):
I didn't even remember that about Rose.
Speaker 5 (53:40):
Yeah, so it was basically about trans people. Gotcha that
he can't comprehend that they're even human.
Speaker 2 (53:48):
I guess. So now I don't like that she wished
him to be happy.
Speaker 5 (53:52):
I know, I was like, oh, that's really like she.
Speaker 2 (53:57):
Seemed to be like, that's not how he was.
Speaker 5 (53:59):
That part kind of odd, right, I thought so too.
Speaker 3 (54:03):
It was funny when she said can.
Speaker 5 (54:07):
He does have a very punishable face.
Speaker 1 (54:09):
It puts a bigger exclamation point on the I think
it was the real that you posted with the doctor.
They this, this guy's been doing the whole review of
doctor Who's stuff, and it was like that bad guys.
Who's the biggest bad guy. Then he goes to and
he's like, well, the Master has this redeeming coality in this.
And then finally at the end they're like Conrad and
the other guy's like yeah he's yea. So now it's
(54:33):
even worse, you know, just for the fact that that's
like the whole rows of it. Rose Donna's daughter is
not even like thinkable in his wish world, and.
Speaker 5 (54:47):
Anybody with the disability, yeah, they exists, but in his
world view that they're not important. Gross, let's not talk
about him anymore.
Speaker 2 (54:57):
I know he's the worst. Got off too easily on.
Speaker 1 (55:00):
The light, I know.
Speaker 3 (55:01):
I like the way missus Float had Christmas off. Yeah, yes,
and so did you and you're me so you did
as well.
Speaker 1 (55:13):
I love that reveal her where they were just like
with the Ronnie and they were showing everyone to Ruby
and they're like, oh my god, it was you like
this whole time, and then just like wait, who's the
other one here? It's like, oh, that's not never mine?
Will you know? We'll explain that. You know, the viewer
knows a bit, but then everyone else is just like
Ruby was like, oh my god, you're her, You're my neighbor.
Speaker 2 (55:37):
I love that the doctor regenerated with Joy present. I
thought that was a really really nice way to end shooties.
Speaker 3 (55:44):
I didn't get that the first time. I was just thinking, no,
it's best him, and then it was like later on
I suddenly thought, oh, no, it's Joy. Of course it's
not alone, because Joy said.
Speaker 5 (55:54):
Yeah, Wow, maybe that's what he meant. I thought, I
don't want to travel alone anymore on his own generally,
Oh my god, yeah, I mean, my brain's full.
Speaker 1 (56:07):
Okay, that's why we do podcast alone.
Speaker 5 (56:10):
Okay, gotcha. Because I recognized when he looked at the
brightest star out there that that was Joy.
Speaker 3 (56:20):
And that's why he shouted joint in the world and say,
Shooty is now the first doctor not to have face
the Daleks of the Cybermen in any of his episodes.
Speaker 1 (56:34):
Well, because he was around for like four episodes, so
I mean technically he's been around for like a year
and a half because Christmas episode twenty twenty three and
then last season was about a year ago. So I mean,
he probably has one of the shortest like physical tenures
other than yeah.
Speaker 3 (56:56):
I mean, but Echoson faced the talks twice. Did that
go then?
Speaker 1 (57:04):
I don't think he did. And he faced the Dale,
he faced the Auton, he faced the I.
Speaker 2 (57:12):
Think he faced too many other terrible things.
Speaker 1 (57:15):
He faced Cassandra enough moisturize me.
Speaker 2 (57:26):
Already and.
Speaker 1 (57:29):
Anything else. Because because we're I didn't think that we're
gonna I kind of thought we might be able to
talk for an hour, but it's just like I didn't
think we would be hitting an hour.
Speaker 5 (57:40):
I saw a crochet pattern to make Cassandra.
Speaker 3 (57:45):
Oh god, doctor Croce, the doctor everybody.
Speaker 2 (57:52):
Ye.
Speaker 3 (57:54):
Crocheting.
Speaker 1 (57:58):
Anyways, Okay, I think we'll would be back once the
either to talk about like a primer in a sense,
and then maybe halfway through it. We'll probably have a
couple episodes depending on when it drops for the war
between the Land and the Sea, and.
Speaker 3 (58:17):
So I would think it's going to be this year.
Speaker 5 (58:19):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1 (58:20):
Yeah, coming soon is a very vague. It's coming soon
soon as a relative term, and especially in Doctor Who,
that makes it you know, relative could be four years.
Speaker 3 (58:32):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (58:38):
That would probably be one where it was just like,
name the planet that the the Slytheen came from, and
I like, I know what it's called. I can't say
the rocks of Victoria plopator, you know, just like way
too many.
Speaker 3 (58:54):
But the cold was that? What's the cold?
Speaker 1 (59:00):
Oh isn't it like like Glenn or something like that? Yeah,
I do, I started with the gus anyways, Okay, so uh,
this has been great just being able to talk and
I like I was just saying with like Liz here,
(59:21):
the reason that it's great to do this podcast is
because we got people talking about it and then you
could get a further like oh yeah, duh, oh.
Speaker 5 (59:29):
Yeah, my moment of like what he meant by not
wanting to be alone?
Speaker 1 (59:33):
I thought traveling even I didn't even think about that too.
Sometimes putting two to get together, you gotta have people
remind you. Got to have people remind you of that.
Speaker 5 (59:42):
Yeah, that was like, oh not by generation again? All right,
we can move on from that.
Speaker 1 (59:50):
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and talk about this because it had been a while
before last week, and I'm sure we'll be able to,
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Say the allen z all.
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Don't blink, because on this episode of Timey Whymy Talk,
we will be talking about the Reality War, the final
episode of this season of Doctor Who, and all of
the just w TF moments that came with it. So
grab your sonics head to the tartist. But first.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
It's time for the podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Welcome to Time Why We Talk, the podcast that bigger
on the inside.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
I'm Karen, I'm Haley, I'm Liz, and I am confused,
uh with this episode, but I have bustled Brian and
we will be talking about the Reality War, like we said,
and just, oh my god, this was probably.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
One of the most unexpected things I've seen in a while,
in three or four different fronts. And I don't know,
it's just what I mean, I guess we're just jumping
right into this one.
Speaker 5 (01:20):
You've brought up the one. What were the others? So
the first one being.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Shooty being gone, yeah, and just having Jodie back, and
then also just having we don't know the extent of
what Billy Piper's going to do, and it's I don't know,
I don't what what's I guess We'll just jump right
into this and then we can talk about other stuff
later on. After because this has just been a you know,
(01:48):
the one thing I told you when I mentioned that
I had gotten a little bit of a spoiler was
that it was the right when this episode ended yesterday,
the Facebook page and doctor Who mentioned Jody being on
the show. It was like, okay, at least it wasn't
like I went back and looked later and it says
we say goodbye to shooting, and I go, it's been
(02:08):
like an hour. Relax, Doctor Who Facebook page.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
That's why I don't go on social media.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Well, I was even I wasn't even looking for it,
and I didn't even think about it at first, and
then all of a sudden, I'm like, oh this, Oh okay,
I'm just just going to walk home and just not
look at my phone at all. That I have been
off over the last six hours because I'm at work
and stuff like that. So, Hayley, you're just generic initial thoughts.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
There's nothing generic about okay.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
I know that I like quick, like bullet point type review.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
I was mostly confused throughout the episode, and I know
Karen and I talked a little bit together like afterwards
about the confusion of it all. I haven't sent her
my notes with that are like, this is weird, this
is super weird. I'm utterly confused, and then huh so
that was like my stream of consciousness. But yeah, that
was pretty much it. I did find this eerily similar
(03:09):
to the Agents of Shield series finale, like some very
beat for beat moments.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
That's interesting because I didn't watch. I didn't get all
the way through Agents of Shield, so I can't wait
to hear more about that.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Just the time travel and the whole Honestly, like the
poppy stuff is like lifted like right out of Agents
of Shield exactly. Okay, it was kind of funny, like
going into the little room and stuff like that was funny.
But I liked it. I just thought it was a
little disjointed.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Perhaps it's definitely one I need to rewatch again with
like the concept in the headspace of knowing what's happening
before I get more into it. Liz, what did you well?
Speaker 3 (03:58):
First? You go first? As I enjoyed it, I agree
with Harley, Yes, the poppy element of it was confusing.
I liked all the Easter eggs that were in there
and all the nods back to different things from Shoot
these seasons, both seasons. Funnily the last thing I said
(04:21):
before the episode started last night, I said to Gavin,
I wonder if we're going to get a Regender regeneration,
and sure enough one came along because just in my
mind the two year thing, I just had a feeling
that Shootings contract was going to be the same as
the Disney Plus contract. And he's a star on the rise,
(04:44):
so why would he stay longer? So that didn't surprise me.
I'd kind of seen spoilery stuff about Jody and about
Billy Piper. All people talked talking about the if booth.
Maybe he's of it. So it was pleasant to say,
(05:05):
but not totally surprising. But overall an enjoyable episode. A
bit disjointed, as you say, a bit confusing, but yeah,
overall enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Now, if I'm not mistaken in the New Who, which
is twenty years old, now, is this the first time
a regeneration hasn't been like previously announced? With everything going on,
where we knew something was coming like the Doctor this
would like we knew Jody's last episode, we knew Matt
Smith and Peter Copali's last episode, we knew, we didn't
(05:38):
know what was always going to happen in extent. I
think the one that Jody going into David second time
was a surprise because we had announced Shooty. But this
was the first time, I think. I can't remember another
time where it was like we didn't know that there
was going to be a regeneration because it's always been planned.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Yeah, we even knew about the Christopher Egleston one because
something something got leaked about that because he didn't intend
to say anything. So I know that thing everyone but
like RTD said in the past, is just they get leaked.
So that's why they go ahead and announce it, because
(06:16):
it would get leaked anyway. So but this time it didn't.
So yeah, first time.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
It is pleasantly surprised. What however, it took me a minute.
I was like, that's Billy, but the eyebrows are different.
But it's Billy.
Speaker 6 (06:39):
You know, she's got very distinct She's got those very
distinct Maybe it's just me, I don't know from it's
maybe she's got that brown group. But then I looked
at Brian and I said, wait, has this ever happened
(07:01):
before where a doctor where the doctor regenerates in the
image of somebody that they've known, or just a human
in general, or is it like, go ahead, Brian.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
No, I was going to say one time, it's happened,
but it's a companion nor.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
Right and how and why? And I would like to
get answers for those, And yes, I'd like to get
a lot of answers for a lot of other questions
that I have pleasantly surprised to see. Anita, right, that's
her name? Yeah, yeah, that was meat. I like the
way that they wrapped the Time Hotel into it and
(07:46):
the previous characters that we've seen before. That was really
nice to get that that tie in. Okay, Poppy, so
I so if reality shifted just a tiny degree and
(08:12):
they retro I'm like trying to think about it say this.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
That's confusing to me to think produce saying.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
Especially because Bobby the d I haven't looked it up,
just been busy with other things. But is she looks
exactly the same as Poppy from Space Babies, just a
year older?
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (08:36):
Am I wrong?
Speaker 3 (08:37):
I mean that's the same one, right, born from the
doctor's memories. So she's born from the doctors and it.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Looks like her, but it's not the same kid that
played it in Space Babies. Then I think it looked
a little different, but.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
She is though she seems to be the same child,
and like the even the hairstyle is similar.
Speaker 7 (08:59):
You know.
Speaker 5 (08:59):
I feel like tried to maybe have her look.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
I think some problem copy is they made it seem
like it was their daughter with with there being no
like that made no sense, no matter, it made sense
in the wish world, and it didn't make sense after that,
like right. I think that was the story beat that
got me really because I was like, this is their daughter.
This is super weird, and they just kept calling it
(09:26):
their daughter and I was like, yeah, huh, like how
and Ruby comes along, She's like that's not possible, is it?
You know, it was kind of like it was a
little too we needed a few more breadcrumbs.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
I feel like, yeah, because she was the lynchpin. Because
it wasn't her, it whole storyline goes away because she's
the one that kept me. He was just like, oh,
the baby's gone, and then now the crib's gone, and
then she was the one that kept adimally going. There
was this kid, there was your daughter. Now let me
ask you this, because he did the thing where he
(09:59):
saved because it was just a degree off and then
it came back. Are we led to believe that Belinda
Chandra always had Poppy or they retroactively because they never
mentioned that. Yeah, okay, they never mentioned it before at all.
Or maybe it was just like a like not a
lie by omission, but it was just a story beat
(10:20):
that was left because she kept saying she has to
be back on this time.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
So is that she's going to be.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Back at seven am on March twenty fourth or something? So,
now is this reality where Poppy is there? Is this
the actual right reality? Or is this a skewed reality
now because Poppy is there because she wasn't there before.
So I'm thinking that the reality that we ended the
episode on where they regenerated into Billy Piper is not
(10:48):
the correct reality.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
That's what I was thinking. We're not in the in
the in the sacred timeline something. That's kind of the
idea that I Although I really appreciated this scene, Oh going.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Back to.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Not Billy.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Jody Ruby, Yes, thank you.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
There's so many women with different.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Hair, they're all named Jody Ruby.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
Happy right, and then so it seemed like she she's
also the one who was the first to question reality
in the Wish World.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Mm hmmm, yeah, so she had a basis in the reality,
the main reality, where everyone else didn't, even the doctor.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
But how and why.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
RTD's explanation is that it's because of seventy three yards.
It's our experiences in seventy three yards and being in
that reality, and that's the reason why Ruby can remember
things others can't. Because I was, I had the same thoughts.
And then to say in an interview, he mentioned that,
so that kind of okay.
Speaker 5 (12:05):
I was, Yeah, I was wondering. I couldn't remember the
name of the episode, but I just kept thinking of
scenes from that episode, and how if.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
She remembers the main reality, then is the one because
of that? So it's her remembering Poppy. Is that correct then?
Or was she just remembering it from the Wish World time.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
The Wish World she recognized it from.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Look at her face, was like, there's so much stuff. Yeah,
it's just like I think they left the Billy Piper
regeneration not fully finished, because there could be another like
our third by Generation in a matter of like fifteen
episodes where.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
The kind of put a nail in the by Generation
the whole thing. Because said she had a little side
note about it being the end of my generation. Just
before we put all the regeneration and energy and of
the toddest console, there was a comment about that no
(13:16):
chance of buy Generation so and I think that's good.
I think it was. It was it was a fun gimmick.
It's happened twice now and I think it's good that
it's They didn't get rid of Mavity, which I thought
that might might have done something to get rid of Mavity.
But yeah, I think by Generations a thing of the
past now. But saying about the alternate reality, I think
(13:41):
they're in He's still in it. I think the blenda
with with the Poppy and the being back for seven
thirty am on the twenty fourth, I think that's all
an alternative timeline sort of situation, and I think that's
how they're gonna get around the Billy. I don't think
(14:05):
Billy's the next doctor. I think Billy. I think Billy's
a placeholder. Because they don't know what's happening with the series.
They haven't got any decisions about contracts, so there weren't
really going to cast somebody. They wanted to do the regeneration,
but they weren't really going to cast the next doctor
because the next series might be in two three four
(14:27):
years time and you don't know where you're going to
be as an actor in that amount of time. So
whether she is sort of like there's something where the
Doctor goes back to our time, our reality, and within
that the regeneration sort of changes, or whether they use
(14:47):
Billy to day, maybe a Christmas special before the proper
series starts. But I don't think it's a I don't
think she's a sixteenth Doctor. That's just my my thoughts.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
Anyway, I think everything you said makes complete sense.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Just one one last thing on that and the end credits.
It started with shooting gat Where was the doctor? Jodie
Whittaker as the doctor introducing Billy Piper. It didn't say
the doctor. Okay, every other regeneration at the end, because
I am sad, and I have looked through and I
have screenshot, I have every other regeneration. The credits always
(15:30):
hard David Tennant as the doctor, Matt Smith as the doctor. Okay,
that might be a little bit of a good sluicing.
I'm sad.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Was was Billy Piper's last appearance? Was it on the
in the fiftieth I'm trying to think of other than
because she was the I think so whatever whatever that
was called, where she was the because he wasn't Rose,
she was the yeah that I'll come back, because that's
what I was thinking. What that was is that maybe
(16:05):
they might do something because remember during the fiftieth they
had that little like, uh, the what was the name
of the the Night of the Doctor, the Knight of
the Doctor with Paul McGann, where he regenerates into the
War Doctor. So maybe this might be ended up being
like she is, like something that's sort of like the
Fugitive Doctor or the War Doctor or something where it's
(16:28):
just like a it's not a well but that's the
thing is, though those ones all take place in the
right or it's just a matter of see that's the
thing is we got to us talking about this because
it's sort of just like, it's not black and white,
it's what the hell does happened?
Speaker 3 (16:44):
True?
Speaker 5 (16:44):
I have to say, though I was I'm a lot
happier with this final episode than I was with the
last season.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Well, both of them had the same things. I think
with both episodes had the uh the I don't know,
I don't want to try to sound too negative about it,
but Omiga is su tech. Where it was a mcguffin
that had no point other than to bring back an
old timey uh you know villain that was basically powerless.
(17:19):
And then he just take the vendicator and go back
in your cage and shut the door, and that was
about it.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
On the Ronnie just gets eaten Like that part, I
was like, well, okay, and.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Then they I don't know, the business Flood's like, I'm
out of here.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Yeah, I love that. Missus blood is still around though.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
My second well my second watch this morning, and I
don't It's probably not a reference that you would get,
but there was a comment just when missus Flud picked
up the braceleted thing and she said, so much for
the Two Ronnie's and then she said it's a good
night from me. There was in the A T seventies
(18:01):
eighties it was a comedy duo called the Two Ronnies
over here, and and the program by saying it's a
good knife from him, and it's a good knife from me.
So it was little, oh, okay, I've got it the
first time. Imagine I was send this morning. Either had
(18:21):
this one he's like, oh yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Yeah, maybe the wish baby Ruby wishes Conrad be happy,
and then it's just gone, yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Well the way it didn't that baby got given to
Ruby's moment. Oh yeah, that's right, cars someday.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
But that's that baby is completely out of I mean,
it's in the wrong timeline, I guess because she was
born like what in the sixteen hundreds or something, and
then brought here by you know, the Ronnie at the
beginning of last episode with that family where they turn
them all into ducks anyway, so I guess they couldn't.
I guess they couldn't care for a baby duck.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
So no, and I suppose in this uh, in the future,
you know, better opportunities.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Yeah, got only different except for you know, they got
to get him all the updated with all the right
like vaccines so they don't get like the plague or something.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Now the doctor took care of all the paperwork already.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
I did think the one I'd laughed out loud a
few times in this, But the funny one was when
Jody shows up and they say something to the extent
of like, well, at least you're not the other one
he has a tendency to like show his feets around
here a lot, and the first thing in my mind,
I'm like, oh God, yes, you know, I don't think
we might not have seen the end of David Tennant
(19:47):
because he's still technically out there, but especially with he
I would I would love to see him now interact
with whoever Billy Piper is, because she is some she
has to be some kind of time lord or whatever,
because it's not. I love how the funny thing is
in a lot of the things I'm reading with reviews
when people are like, I don't understand how Rose can be.
(20:09):
It's not Rose. It's literally Billy Piper. It's the same,
it's the actress who played Rose. But I'm pretty sure
that this is not anything to do with Rose except
the way it looks. And I think, Liz, you brought
up a good point about this where you mentioned something
about because I think didn't they didn't the doctor say
something or there was a point in the story about
(20:31):
the companions.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
He well, he chuty doctor, Yeah, he was like I
don't want to do this alone.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Was that how Rose like.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
To remind the doctor that they need to go back,
and like, you don't leave your companion, like once your
last adventure with the companion on the screen shouldn't be
in The Doctor who timeline the last time you see
that companion, you know, because like mel had been a
while since they saw Mel, or like Sgene, all these
old people. It's just like the Doctor has a tendency
(21:07):
when our companion is done in on screen, they're done
like they don't see and that you don't. I don't
know what he really comprehends the amount the impact he
has on.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Well, somebody says you're just specs to him, like you
are really just you humans are just is it the wrong?
You are just barely dust in a time Lord's eyes basically,
And the Doctor does not refute that statement.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Well, in Going Back to School Reunion, just mentioned Sarah
Jane before Rules had a conversation with the Doctor in
that episode where she said, well, you've never mentioned it.
You've never mentioned Sarah Jane, And the Doctor turned around
and says, because you get liby life, I outlive all
(21:58):
of you. It's too painful because I would have to
watch every single one if you die. So it's easier
basically for me to cut all ties and just leave
you to get on with your life and I'll get
on with mine, rather than make carry on and say,
have to go through that lost time and time again.
So that's kind of the reasoning they gave for the
(22:22):
the fact that you don't see many companions after he's
after he's left them.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Right, it would almost be you know, like a thing
where if he could see and I've thought of this
before too, where like when the doctor leaves a companion,
he does something to them within a matter of amount
of time, like they forget about him, because but then
they forget about all of the stuff they've done which
has shaped their life. But then also just like I mean,
(22:52):
they even said it in this one episode where it
was was it Ruby or Anita? Someone was just like
they spend their free time looking for the doctor was
so it's just like and even that wasn't a companion
that was st someone that knew who he was and
what he could do and spend well, they spent a
year together, right.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
I think with Anita maybe it was a little bit
different because they it wasn't it was just the mundane
everyday things that I want to say, didn't the doctor
at that point it seems he was sort of yearning
for sort of to know what that normalcy is and like,
(23:31):
I don't know, but I've yeah, from anything that I've
seen of Doctor who, it seems like this incarnation has
been the most human, maybe when it comes to attachments
and emotion and like wearing your heart on your sleeve.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
So that he kissed and she's like, wait, what I
do that now?
Speaker 5 (23:57):
Yes, exactly, And that's another example. So I think that
it's much different with Anita and the Doctor because they
both needed each other at that time. Anita seemed, you know,
she was just like I just work and that's what
I do. And they spent holidays together and they they
did everything together, and it was they became really close
and best friends when they didn't really it seemed like
(24:19):
Anita didn't really have anybody else. But I would think
so because she she didn't have anybody else because she
kept trying to find him. Never forgot right.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
But I should stop trying to find him when she
saw him with Rogue and realized that he was he
was had feelings for Rogue, so she was the point
where she stopped looking for him, and that's when she
went to hr So.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
To move on and question do you think that she
just didn't realize that he it isn't I mean, I
don't we never really discuss or hear what he He
seems to be attracted to men throughout this whole series.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Yeah, I don't think she knew that because they, like
you said, they just spend time with each other the.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Whole time, and he didn't affect.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
He's affectionate. He's affectionate. But also I think that he
I always think of the doctor like especially shoot, he's
is sort of like Captain Jack where he's like omn sexual,
where he just loves life. But maybe it was like
he didn't, Like I said, this was the first doctor.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
It's pretty outwardly gay. I'd say he like takes plenty
of comments to say like like he and Belinda, it's
like like even Ruby's I know, like you would guys
wouldn't have a child together. Like I think that it's
implied through several statements that he's gay.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Had no idea and.
Speaker 5 (25:51):
That's what when during that, Like how did she not know?
But then also maybe that's not what she say, it
was just right. Maybe it was just this was her
closest companion, this was her best friend. She saw he
made another connection with somebody and thought, Okay, well that
chapter's over, even though it was platonic, I need to
(26:15):
move on as well. Maybe that's what that was. I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Yeah, you would think that something may have came up
in that year they spent together with her knowing you know,
his and yet he was going to be here for
the year and like knew everything sort of, I mean
pretty much.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
It was never him saying I'm this way, but something
would happen and the response would be, oh no, but I'm.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Like this No, I mean like not like his sexual orientation,
but like something might have happened between the two of
them in that year where she could have like maybe
like like she might have kissed him or attempted to
kid and then him being like, sorry, I don't feel
that way. Maybe, or she might have just been just
a whole time like where we're mates, you know, where
(27:03):
we're friends, we're doing this, and but in that time
she after he left started to felt like, oh she
really missed him and there might have been something more there.
So that's why. Plus the one thing that she had
that all the other companions didn't have is the time
hotel to look for the doctor, so she like wouldn't
be sitting there because there's like there's been episodes of
Doctor who words the people that have seen the doctor
(27:25):
and then they formed groups to sit around and wait
for him to show up again, you know. So with her,
at least she has she has the opportunity to go
anywhere in space and time really to look to see
where he's at, you know, because of the hotel.
Speaker 5 (27:41):
Yeah, all I know is I hope we see her again.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
That would be cool.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Yeah, I did enjoy her as a character.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
I have left that the boss spit danglin, haven't this?
So there's always the opportunity to find out who the
boss of the time hotel is. That so said, I'll
just park that. Yes, that was definitely at going.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
The other thing I thought of, too, was the fact
is that so we find out now. I didn't even
really think about it. The one guy, remember that the
toy maker, where he was like the one person he
was afraid of that he didn't deal with it. That
was oga right because he was basically saying, like, no
(28:26):
where the toy maker. He was like there was one
guy like he there was one are Omega? Well they
call him, they call him.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Like, I'm already confused.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
I know, well the way they don't pronounce it omega
in the show.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Okay, but we do because we're from the Midwest.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Okay. Yeah, he's supposed to be I mean he I mean,
I know his story from before, but then they make
him look like this, just like, okay, yeah he was
a Yeah, he was easy to. He was easy to
you know, repel and put back in a spot. So
it was just like the build up to this whole
(29:06):
big bad was like, wah, wah, wah.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Take it down to the power of so many billion supernovas.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Which the doctor wielded very easily.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
I did like that a little bit because he was like,
but what if I just had a weapon that was
conveniently exactly what I need right by me.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Here's the vindicator.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
He did set it up.
Speaker 5 (29:31):
You know, it was nicely, I think.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
But yes, So back to the Belinda and Poppy of
it all. Here's my thing. We're always given the impression
Blinda wants to get home to her parents. She talks
about her parents constantly. Yes, I think that if the
storyline had been Blinda needs to get home, but she
can't remember why. I might have liked that a little better.
Speaker 5 (29:56):
I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
I like that, yeah, because now it makes it question
what's going on here? Like okay, now, not to.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Be all agents of shield serious finale about it, but
that would have worked better for me.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Just to be explicit, just to s yeah, have some
reasoning about that's what this Blinda wanted. But this isn't
the Blinda that I've been traveling with. This is a different,
different Blinda that's been traveling with a different maze sort
of thing which is.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Made She wants to go out now, she wants to
go travel with the doctor and all of this, and
Ruby is the one, like you said, Brian, like what
about Poppy? What about your child? What about Poppy? I
felt bad for Ruby. I feel like she's getting the
short end of the stick on some of these storyline.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
Right being Gaslet, I was getting.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Everyone was just like what's wrong with you? Like Unit
and all these people. She's like, no, I'm wait what
And then at least they didn't get her to start,
you know, second guessing or.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Something like that.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
No, there was a little baby and a crib and
you guys were fun, and then all of a sudden
it was just like it's gone.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
That was really cool though, the way that the visual
that they had of them folding up poppies her caust Yeah,
and getting smaller and smaller and I'm like, why are
they handing it bag and forth?
Speaker 3 (31:21):
That's really weird.
Speaker 5 (31:23):
Oh, I see, that was really neat.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
And the conversation that will happen moved away from Poppy
as well. If you notice at the beginning about the
three of them going and traveling and what they're going
to do, and then it slowly as the material got
smaller and smaller and it's more about what they were
going to do where they were going to go. Yes,
so you could tell that with those motions.
Speaker 5 (31:46):
Yes, I think I like that a lot better as
a visual, rather than we see Poppy sitting in the
cat and then she just vanishes. That would have been
much too cheesy. I think this was this.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
And I think a lot of people might have had
ps PTSD from like a vendors with people like disappearing.
That'd be like, oh, no, they're gone.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Everybody got dusted. At the end of the last series. Oh,
I forgot about that.
Speaker 5 (32:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Again, like I think maybe it would have been too
traumatic to have this child and then be like the
child is gone but.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
Or never existed.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Yeah, Like we can't be okay if they said Poppy
actually never existed. She was part of the wish world.
And now I'm taking Belinda home to her parents. Like,
I think either of those two band aids just would
have made this work a little more effectively. I don't know.
They shift and real I get it, but it's kind
(32:47):
of too many things.
Speaker 5 (32:49):
Yes, was it a way to show everyone maybe what
the doctor's true, because you know, he doesn't like to
talk about himself and who he is and where he's from,
doesn't like to talk about too many personal things, right,
he just goes and goes and goes, and that's what
(33:09):
he does. Do you think that maybe because he was
so excited about having a child, well he thought he
had a child, that maybe that's sort of his deepest
isn't he wants a family, something stable and steady.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Well we also have the threat of the granddaughter. Yes,
it's right, it was all too much, I think with Susan.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
I mean, that's the thing I was thinking too, was
is like, is Susan even though our whole time he's
she's been he's been saying that Susan's been his granddaughter.
But now we find out is like I was going
to ask Karen, this is this the first time that
we've ever heard them say that time lords are sterile
and they can't have kids because of I mean, they
(33:54):
were created, so to speak, but are they Like where
does Susan fit into it? And that's a lot of stuff.
Was just like it was confusing.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
I want to know too, especially with.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Her being brought up in the last few episodes. Susan
was physically and also just like you know, reminding the
Doctor of everything. It's just like, where is it going
with it? Is the family part of that, you know
what he was trying to hook onto where the Doctor
wants family, his head family. But now we're thinking like,
how is it. How is Susan his related to him
(34:26):
physically now or is it just sort of like, oh,
this is my granddaughter because.
Speaker 5 (34:31):
Biological it's just right, Karen, Well, what.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
My thing was is I was trying to work out
the the the cause was it when the Master went
back and destroyed Gallifree in Julie's era? Is it because
that it could be that which is a long time
after sort of like Susan and her parents would have
(34:58):
been around. That is it the Time War was something
that happened during the Time War. I haven't researched that,
so I don't know if for certain, because it did
say particularly what what the cause was, but I don't think.
I don't think it's changed in past history. I think
(35:20):
it's something that's happened since I'm just wondering whether it's
linked in with the Time War.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
That's us because I think also too, when Ronnie was
explaining to the doctor how she survived when all of
the like the time lords were wiped out and she
was once she say like she's she like cloaked her
DNA or something or second out of time and then
came back and so she wasn't there. So I mean,
that's always the whole. I love the fact I think
(35:50):
it happened twice or it was happened. When Jody and
Judie were talking about the whole, they brought up the
timey wimy thing a couple of times.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
It's like that's always yes, we have Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Well that's the perfect because it's the easiest way to
especially a doctor who explained things it is. It's the
it's there, get out of your free card. It's like, oh,
it's all timing. Why we don't worry about it. It's like, well,
we sort of have to now because it's just like
where we where? What? Where reality? Did the show end in?
You know, so.
Speaker 5 (36:22):
We will hopefully find out.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
I did see something too though where our TD said recently,
like the show is going to continue, we just don't
know where when, with who whatever it's you know, they
they there's too much history on it, but we don't
know what's going to happen with the whole Disney Plus
of at all.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Yeah. I was listening to some a different podcast today
and they were they were speculating, which I thought was hilarious.
They were speculating, not Disney Plus and got did the
two year deal with Who because the BBC owned the
rights to bluey Oh my god, Blue on Disney Plus.
(37:08):
BBC bought it to get Doctor Who sort of on
a streaming service and that's why it ended up on.
To be honest, I don't I don't think. Well, I
think there could be some truth truth in that because
Blue is such a big phenomenon.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Blue is kind of a big deal I think in America.
They mentioned like in twenty twenty four, it was viewed
like thirty some percent of the streaming on Disney Plus
in America was Bluey. I mean that's like, compared to
everything that's on their thirty some percent was just Bluey.
That's ridiculous, Like a huge amount.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
It was true, But I don't I don't. I kind
of say it's staying on Disney Plus. I think they've
done it. They've done their base. Whether or not, I
think the BBC will continue. I think there will be
a break HIGHERTUS.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Sorry.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
I think it'll stay with Bad Wolf Productions, whether they
I know they link with Sony, but Sony don't have
their own streaming service. So whether or not they're trying
and just get a streaming service involved just as a
distributor rather than the money and they just go back
(38:41):
to BBC, fun't it. I don't know. I just I
think the Disney Plus thing probably is an end.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
I think it was just a money thing. Personally. Doesn'ty
could give them the budget maybe that they were wanting, And.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
We've seen that. Like I said, these last couple of episodes,
a lot of the special effects, especially with like the
bone dinosaurs and.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
The generation.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
Was it looked a lot, you know, better than some
of I mean, it's never going to go back to
some of the you know Tom Baker where they jump
in the set moves like the walls move because it's
basically like cardboard and stuff like that. But there has
been times when watching even like under chib Noel and
(39:31):
under Moffett, where the special effects have been like less
than stellar. But it's it's it's almost like that factor
whose thing.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
It's it's too polished now for my lighting. If I'd
prefer it to be more like two thousand and five
when it came back. Oh yeah, I think I've got
the Marvel and my Star Wars and all the other
things for the the CGI and the a little bit
cGy is fine, don't mind it bit of green screen
(40:02):
here and there. But I like the practical effects. I
like that there's still doing quite a lot of that.
But yeah, it's just a little bit too polished, I
think for me. But well, I guess.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
Karen was telling me to watch Torchwood and it's on
HBO Max, and I watched the first episode today and
then it also showed me that like Jodi Whittaker's Doctor
Who season is on HBO Max so I wonder if
the next American streaming service to pour money att might
end up being HBO.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Because I think most of the because the only thing
that's on Disney Plus is the stuff from the Disney
Plus times. Yes, Max has all the rest of the
stuff because that's where we've been watching it. That's all
the stuff that came before two thousand and five, I
think is only available on britt Box through Amazon. And
(40:56):
but Torchwood, Yeah, torch Wood is great. It's a little
dark and a lot more adult. But the character development
and interaction with Jack and oh my god, what's the
name of the main guy, Yan Yanto, Yeah, is just
uh it just with all that the first two seasons
(41:18):
was because there was only what two seasons, and then
there was all those little uh.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
Yeah, you had the two seasons, and then you had
the event once you had Children of Earth, which, as
I said, Haley, I'm still traumatized. I don't know how
many years later, ten years later, I've watched it once.
I can never watch that again.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
And also Peter Copoly is what Peter Capoli's in that
one too, is a different character too.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
Politician.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Yeah, he's a politician. And then it comes back for
that ten episode of season four, which was the no wait,
it was Children of Birth. The third wait, which is
the which was the final series.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
Final series was the one which was part funded by
an America. It was it Star or something like that,
so a lot of it was based in America. I
can't remember what it was called, butte like that say
that again.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
I'm sorry range that it's all parsed out like that,
But the BBC has it on all these different miracles.
I know it's money, it's money, but.
Speaker 5 (42:21):
Like it always is, it's always about money.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Yeah, Miracle Day was the one where it was basically
like everyone, uh, everyone in the world stops dying and
then uh they have to deal with that for like
a day and then it was all after it. I
like that that one too, But yeah, Children of Birth
was very you all just have to watch it. So yeah, I.
Speaker 5 (42:52):
Know, I've got so many things on my list right now.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
One thing I also didn't like about this episode and
then I'll stop talking about how things I didn't like
was it Unit chipped all of its employees, because I
think that that's really creepy. I didn't like it at all.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
Oh, with like the little when the things.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
Started, Like I was like, you know.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
Maybe they might explain that why they happened to do that.
And the next thing that we're going to see, which
is the war between the Land and the Sea. I
don't know if you guys saw the little teaser or
the trailer for that, but that one looks, you know, uh,
really good.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
Yeah, it looks polished. It looks like, yes, it's going
to have the sci fi, but it looks more like
a drama. Well, well, I would say it was a drum.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
I think it has a little bit more like the
torch wood side to it. Yeah, where it's like, but
the guy that's the main character, that's not Alonzo, right, yeah?
Is it Alonzo?
Speaker 3 (43:51):
Okay, it's the same, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
It's the same actor. But I'll always remember when with
it with Ted where he's like I always wanted to
say this, Alonso.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
And Cuckoo and Barros. She's not playing Martha Jones' sister.
She's in it, but is she's also a different character.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
Okay, Well, like I said, Peter Capaldi has been three
different characters in the whuniverse.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
So oh, It's happened many times, especially in All Too.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
Yeah, and and the the the one girl that plays
who's the Gwen? Is that Gwen on torch Wood? Yeah,
she was in the Vampires of Venice I think.
Speaker 3 (44:34):
No, she was in the the Charles Dickens episode.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
Okay, but she was like a she was like a monster.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
Wasn't No, she was a maid undertakers made Okay.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
I know. But so then it's just that we're using
characters in their universe, like Karen Gillen was in Buyers
of POMPEII with Peter Capaldi, and I think there was
one other one I thought of too, but it was
just that's just what they do. So we'll find out
what Billy Piper is playing because like they said in
(45:05):
the credit, so she's not the doctor or is she?
Or maybe not? You know, maybe maybe the alternate reality doctor.
Speaker 2 (45:12):
What does she and Tennant's doctor get together in a
special and then they generate into I just want his
to generate into another one. Apparently that's like my only
But like what if they're like, Okay, we're gonna become
one doctor again, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (45:25):
Yeah, squish them all together.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
Yeah, put them all together again.
Speaker 3 (45:30):
So okay, joined some easters and things definitely yes. So
the z room that Susan Triad made very quickly, I
thought it was very reminiscent of the Pandorica from that. Yeah,
(45:51):
it just seems sort of thing putting them in to
protect them just looks different.
Speaker 5 (45:56):
That's still a cube, well true on the inside.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
The time ring that the Ronnie had I thought was
just a twist on the Captain Jack's vortex. I noticed
when she showed the Doctor he had a little giggle
to himself because he always put the makeout of Captain
Jack as it said it was like riding a space
hopper compared to his I think he said like sports
(46:22):
car was the tardest. So I did like the fact
that he giggles when he saw that, because it was
definitely called back to that when he when he yelled
back into Hell to Omega is exactly what happened at
the end of Tenants, either his last episode when the
Master was shooting his whatever it was energy at the
(46:44):
time loads and the tenth Doctor shouted back into Hell
rustle on. So the little call back to that one.
The machine, the backpack thing that Ruby used to trans
transport to the thing and the bone struct was the
(47:05):
indigom machine, which was first introduced in Stolen Earth, so
Martha used it to escape the Daleks in New York,
and it was a prototype at the time because Jack
didn't want her to use it. So it's as going
back to two thousand and seven, a little bit of
a one there when Doctor thirteen turned around and said
(47:31):
that I don't like it about the tartars. I was
a nod back to the Tenth Doctor in the fiftieth
anniversary special when he went he was in Matt Smith's
tartars and he said, I don't like it. You've made changes,
so I'm not there. And just the last little one
is when Ronnie did a speech you mentioned before about
(47:56):
the humans being like creatures dust to the Doctor and
I've come blank. The Brigadier's daughter.
Speaker 1 (48:11):
The what now, Kate, Yes, Kate, Kate.
Speaker 3 (48:17):
Yeah, Kate said sometimes I think we're all your children,
And that's another nod back to when dav Ross called
the Doctor's companions the children of time. There was quite
a few little easters. I've probably missed a lot of them,
but they were the ones.
Speaker 1 (48:35):
That wasn't what Rose or Billy Piper said when she regenerated.
Would she say like oh, hello there or hello hello.
That was They said that there was a reference to
something that Rose had said, and I can remember it
offhand because it was just like Rose didn't have like
(48:55):
many I wouldn't say catchphrases except for like yelling at
her mom. That was. You know, I think I think
I have a tendency to think that it's going to
be that Rose is going to be something to remind
the doctor about the companions to be a little bit more,
because they said they mentioned it a few times where,
(49:18):
you know, especially with how they brought back you know,
I don't think it was coincidental that Mel was there
and Mel was also around when Ronnie before, because they
even mentioned like oh you know you're still here, or
the writing said like mentioned something.
Speaker 5 (49:35):
So one thing that I just remembered that I keep
thinking of. I don't know, like it was kind of
confusing but kind of not and I was trying to
fit it in when I don't remember which one of
which Ronnie it was, whether it was missus Flood or
(49:55):
it was Ronnie when she says to the this whole
time or not verbatim, but this whole time, haven't you
wondered where your tartis is and then everything around him disappears, dissipates,
and he's in his tartis.
Speaker 3 (50:14):
Well, the tartis was the wish room. That's why he
stories Okay, all right. I was like, I need, which
is why the Ronnie didn't want him going in, which
is why she just didn't because and he would realize
it was the.
Speaker 5 (50:32):
Yeah, I was like, okay, So he was there the
whole time and all right, all right.
Speaker 1 (50:37):
One last thing I thought was cool too, though, is
when he showed up the doctor showed up at Unit
HQ with Anita, and then he's starting to explain the
stuff to them, and then all of a sudden, when
they all realize where they are, like everyone's coffee cup
just falls through the breaks, Like okay, that's like the
cool because they had set it up as that this
is the reality break where you know something's up and
(50:59):
then boom, everyone's done it. They're all like, oh.
Speaker 2 (51:02):
My god, I'm wearing you taste line. I meant tweets.
Speaker 3 (51:09):
And I was disgusted at being a housewife.
Speaker 5 (51:12):
Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 3 (51:17):
It's quite funny. I was watching watching Telly well before
we started this and what came on. But The Poseidon Adventure,
which I love. I love a good old disaster film.
But the line in his bogue nine is still alive.
Yeah that was funny too, one hundred and fifteen or
something if he was. But but yeah, it just happened
(51:40):
that I was watching The Poseidon Adventure with him in.
Speaker 1 (51:44):
And then also what the one thing I thought was
cool too when the reality came back, when Dinna's daughter's
name Broh, then she pops up and they're like, of
course he would reckon, like he wouldn't think of you
being here.
Speaker 5 (51:58):
I didn't know that they were going to actually verbally
say that out loud. You know. I thought it was
just going to be, ah, we'll just say that people
understand why she didn't exist in Conrad's version of reality.
But I'm glad that they.
Speaker 1 (52:18):
Oh yeah, they reckon that. They basically like.
Speaker 5 (52:20):
How I was thinking when she reappeared. I was like, oh, yeah,
because people like her shouldn't exist apparently, according according Accordon,
I just don't know why I said it like that
according to Conrad.
Speaker 3 (52:35):
Conrad, why why wasn't she then with Shirley is one
of the outcasts, because that's what I said about they
because he doesn't give them him them a mind sort
of thing. So he did think about them, which is
why they can kind of do us. We talked.
Speaker 2 (52:56):
Race didn't seem to be an issue actually right other.
Speaker 5 (53:00):
Well, I think it was like, according to Conrad, yes,
these people exist, and I acknowledge that they exist. If
you are blind, if you are disabled, if you are
you know, anyone that you would find. I know that
there's several that I'm not listing right now, but anyone
that you would find in like the camp that they
(53:23):
had set up. But he cannot comprehend somebody like Rose
who's born one gender, you know, assigned at birth, and
then has transition to another.
Speaker 2 (53:38):
I didn't even remember that about Rose.
Speaker 5 (53:40):
Yeah, so it was basically about trans people. Gotcha that
he can't comprehend that they're even human.
Speaker 2 (53:48):
I guess. So now I don't like that she wished
him to be happy.
Speaker 5 (53:52):
I know, I was like, oh, that's really like she.
Speaker 2 (53:57):
Seemed to be like, that's not how he was.
Speaker 5 (53:59):
That part kind of odd, right, I thought so too.
Speaker 3 (54:03):
It was funny when she said can.
Speaker 5 (54:07):
He does have a very punishable face.
Speaker 1 (54:09):
It puts a bigger exclamation point on the I think
it was the real that you posted with the doctor.
They this, this guy's been doing the whole review of
doctor Who's stuff, and it was like that bad guys.
Who's the biggest bad guy. Then he goes to and
he's like, well, the Master has this redeeming coality in this.
And then finally at the end they're like Conrad and
the other guy's like yeah he's yea. So now it's
(54:33):
even worse, you know, just for the fact that that's
like the whole rows of it. Rose Donna's daughter is
not even like thinkable in his wish world, and.
Speaker 5 (54:47):
Anybody with the disability, yeah, they exists, but in his
world view that they're not important. Gross, let's not talk
about him anymore.
Speaker 2 (54:57):
I know he's the worst. Got off too easily on.
Speaker 1 (55:00):
The light, I know.
Speaker 3 (55:01):
I like the way missus Float had Christmas off. Yeah, yes,
and so did you and you're me so you did
as well.
Speaker 1 (55:13):
I love that reveal her where they were just like
with the Ronnie and they were showing everyone to Ruby
and they're like, oh my god, it was you like
this whole time, and then just like wait, who's the
other one here? It's like, oh, that's not never mine?
Will you know? We'll explain that. You know, the viewer
knows a bit, but then everyone else is just like
Ruby was like, oh my god, you're her, You're my neighbor.
Speaker 2 (55:37):
I love that the doctor regenerated with Joy present. I
thought that was a really really nice way to end shooties.
Speaker 3 (55:44):
I didn't get that the first time. I was just thinking, no,
it's best him, and then it was like later on
I suddenly thought, oh, no, it's Joy. Of course it's
not alone, because Joy said.
Speaker 5 (55:54):
Yeah, Wow, maybe that's what he meant. I thought, I
don't want to travel alone anymore on his own generally,
Oh my god, yeah, I mean, my brain's full.
Speaker 1 (56:07):
Okay, that's why we do podcast alone.
Speaker 5 (56:10):
Okay, gotcha. Because I recognized when he looked at the
brightest star out there that that was Joy.
Speaker 3 (56:20):
And that's why he shouted joint in the world and say,
Shooty is now the first doctor not to have face
the Daleks of the Cybermen in any of his episodes.
Speaker 1 (56:34):
Well, because he was around for like four episodes, so
I mean technically he's been around for like a year
and a half because Christmas episode twenty twenty three and
then last season was about a year ago. So I mean,
he probably has one of the shortest like physical tenures
other than yeah.
Speaker 3 (56:56):
I mean, but Echoson faced the talks twice. Did that
go then?
Speaker 1 (57:04):
I don't think he did. And he faced the Dale,
he faced the Auton, he faced the I.
Speaker 2 (57:12):
Think he faced too many other terrible things.
Speaker 1 (57:15):
He faced Cassandra enough moisturize me.
Speaker 2 (57:26):
Already and.
Speaker 1 (57:29):
Anything else. Because because we're I didn't think that we're
gonna I kind of thought we might be able to
talk for an hour, but it's just like I didn't
think we would be hitting an hour.
Speaker 5 (57:40):
I saw a crochet pattern to make Cassandra.
Speaker 3 (57:45):
Oh god, doctor Croce, the doctor everybody.
Speaker 2 (57:52):
Ye.
Speaker 3 (57:54):
Crocheting.
Speaker 1 (57:58):
Anyways, Okay, I think we'll would be back once the
either to talk about like a primer in a sense,
and then maybe halfway through it. We'll probably have a
couple episodes depending on when it drops for the war
between the Land and the Sea, and.
Speaker 3 (58:17):
So I would think it's going to be this year.
Speaker 5 (58:19):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1 (58:20):
Yeah, coming soon is a very vague. It's coming soon
soon as a relative term, and especially in Doctor Who,
that makes it you know, relative could be four years.
Speaker 3 (58:32):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (58:38):
That would probably be one where it was just like,
name the planet that the the Slytheen came from, and
I like, I know what it's called. I can't say
the rocks of Victoria plopator, you know, just like way
too many.
Speaker 3 (58:54):
But the cold was that? What's the cold?
Speaker 1 (59:00):
Oh isn't it like like Glenn or something like that? Yeah,
I do, I started with the gus anyways, Okay, so uh,
this has been great just being able to talk and
I like I was just saying with like Liz here,
(59:21):
the reason that it's great to do this podcast is
because we got people talking about it and then you
could get a further like oh yeah, duh, oh.
Speaker 5 (59:29):
Yeah, my moment of like what he meant by not
wanting to be alone?
Speaker 1 (59:33):
I thought traveling even I didn't even think about that too.
Sometimes putting two to get together, you gotta have people
remind you. Got to have people remind you of that.
Speaker 5 (59:42):
Yeah, that was like, oh not by generation again? All right,
we can move on from that.
Speaker 1 (59:50):
Okay, So back then, if you want to like tell
us your thoughts on this or tell us your thoughts
on anything that we discussed, you can get a hold
of us and the way we do is.
Speaker 7 (01:00:02):
And us as we have social media if you want
to reach out to us Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, emails at
Spark Podcast at gmail dot com and check out all
the network shows at Strandedpanda dot com.
Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
And check out our show notes for our list of
Sparks podcast buddies, which are some other shows that we
think you should check out because they're cool, and the
links and names are in our show notes. And yeah,
that's it. That wraps up another season. I'm glad that
we were able to get together the four of us
and talk about this because it had been a while
before last week, and I'm sure we'll be able to,
(01:00:41):
you know, do it again. And I'm not going to.
Speaker 5 (01:00:43):
Say the allen z all.
Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
On it should have post. I don't know if I
posted in last week after the post the one the
picture that Karen made with all of us on Z.
Speaker 5 (01:01:02):
What I saw in my head right.
Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
Right until next time, I cea Hi.
Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
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