September 10, 2024 • 37 mins
Welcome to Spacing Out With BB and Jason! We’re currently covering the Alien franchise, and this week we’re discussing the 1997 Jean-Pierre Jeunet film, “Alien: Resurrection”. Thanks for joining us!
Find these episodes and more on our main podcast feed, “Spacing Out with BB and Jason”
https://plinkhq.com/i/1529054920?to=page
Feel free to reach out to us with your thoughts; We may use your comments on an upcoming episode.
Email: spacingoutpod@gmail.com
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/SpacingOutPod
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/spacing_out_podcast/
X (Twitter): https://twitter.com/Spacing_Out_Pod
#SpacingOut
Find these episodes and more on our main podcast feed, “Spacing Out with BB and Jason”
https://plinkhq.com/i/1529054920?to=page
Feel free to reach out to us with your thoughts; We may use your comments on an upcoming episode.
Email: spacingoutpod@gmail.com
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/SpacingOutPod
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/spacing_out_podcast/
X (Twitter): https://twitter.com/Spacing_Out_Pod
#SpacingOut
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Spacing Out with BB and Jason, this week
covering the nineteen ninety seven film Alien Resurrection.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Welcome to Spacing Out.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
I'm Bb and I'm Jason, and we are discussing the
Alien franchise. One movie at the time, and at the
moment of this recording, the fourth film is available to
stream on Hulu and or Stars Stars.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Is that still a thing?
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Yep?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
This podcast is being released on two different podcast feeds,
So if you've found it through the Spacing Out with
Alien podcasts, and I invite you to check out our
main channel, Spacing Out with BB and Jason, where we've
covered things like Battlestar Grolactica, Star Trek Our Flag Means Death.
Today we are focusing on only Alien resurrections, so if
there's any discussion of subsequent entries into the franchise, we
(00:53):
will save that for a spoiler section at the end
of the podcast. So, Alien Resurrection premiered on November six,
nineteen ninety seven, written by Joss Whedon and directed by
Jean Pierre Jue. In this movie, two hundred years after
the events of Alien three, Ellen Ripley is cloned and
an alien queen is surgically removed from her body. The
(01:14):
United Systems military hopes to breed aliens to study and
research on the spaceship USM route or Riga using human
hosts kidnapped and delivered to them by a group of mercenaries. However,
Ripley's DNA gets mixed up with the Queen's DNA and
she begins to develop enhance strength and reflexes. The aliens
escape their enclosures, while Ripley and the mercenaries attempt to
(01:37):
escape and destroy the Ariga before it reaches its destination Earth.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Five.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Check.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Did we like the movie overall? How does it stand
the test of time?
Speaker 3 (01:50):
How'd this one sit with you?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
I liked it. I liked it a lot. It featured
a lot of character actors that were familiar with so
it was nice to see a familiar face and it
had a little bit of camp kind of sprinkled in,
So that was fun. Wasn't like super serious all the time? Yeah,
there were like moments where it was kind of breaking
(02:13):
the fourth wall and pain silly. It literally felt like
just in like the faces that they would make, like
when that one guy died, the guy that looks like
Richard Nixon, the guy with the eyebrows. Yeah, he passed away.
He was so funny. And they did that a couple
of times with some of the death scenes where it's
(02:34):
just like humorous deck. So that was fun. And then
obviously it had strong female leads and they worked well
with each other.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Yeah, more than one woman in this movie, right. Yeah,
this is a weird one for me because, like, I
do kind of enjoy it. It's kind of fun. It's
weird and campy, but it's also like it's so far
removed from like that first Alien movie.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Oh yeah, Like I would not compare it to the
first Alien movie at all. This is a Joss Whedon
production for sure, But I think it's better than some
of the other ones we've seen.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Yeah, I think I would take it over Alien three.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
I would take it over Alien two as well. But
I know I'm a controversial. Yeah, I'm a controversial girly.
I just don't like all those like guns and like
that military talk and these grunts and stuff. The mercenaries
had a softer edge to them. There was more a
more like familial sense to them, you know, like family,
(03:38):
like we don't leave anybody behind. Very interesting.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Yeah, so I don't know, it's weird. I went in
a weird direction and like it definitely wasn't like a
necessary movie.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah, like I could, I could take it or leave
it in terms of the franchise's like storyline, I guess,
But I thought it was good. I liked it. I
thought it was interesting that they were cloning her, and
that was kind of glossed over a little until the
middle of the movie where they like show like all
their failed attempts, and then that was kind of interesting.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Yep, all right, let's learn how this came about?
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Trivia time what facts could we uncover for Alien Resurrection?
Speaker 3 (04:23):
So impressed with his work as a screenwriter, twentieth Century
Fox hired Joss Whedon to write the film script. His
initial screenplay had a third act set on Earth with
a final battle for Earth itself, and the studio initially
imagined that the film would center around a clone of
the character Newt from Aliens.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Was Newt Oh the crula white girl?
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Yeah, Marney her, Yes, hate that, And that's just because
Ellen Ripley had died at the end of Alien three,
So they were figured they were.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Going to move on from that, and so we didn't
began writing this before being formed, as the studio now
intended to base the story on a clone of Ripley
because they saw her as the anchor of the series
and weren't ready to let that go yet. Sigourney Weaver
wanted to liberate the character in Alien three, as she
did not want Ripley to become a figure of fun
who would continuously wake up with monsters running around too bad. However,
(05:16):
Weaver was impressed with Whedon's script, and she received a
co producer credit and was reportedly paid eleven million dollars.
Good for her and in her own words, they basically
drove a dump truck full of money to my house.
French filmmaker Jean Pierre Joanet was asked to direct, as
the film's producers believed he had a unique visual style
and he required an interpreter as he did not speak
(05:37):
much English, so.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Him and his interpreter directed.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Yes, so every direction took twice as long. Really, the
basketball shot was Sigourney Weaver's idea, and she insisted on
doing it for real. She trained with a basketball coach
over the course of a month.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
She couldn't learned more ball handling with that. Oh Man
that's too much. Okay, that was the silliest scene to me.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
And reports on this very but some places say that
she made the shot on the first take, the over
the back shot, and then Ron Pearlman nearly ruined the
take by reacting onscreen to her making the shot.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Ron Peerlman is a boy. Hell boy.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Yeah. So a large water tank was constructed for the
underwater scenes, and swimming was a required skill for cast
and crew signing onto the film. The castman week straining
in pools for the scene. Why no, A writer had
not been in the water since she nearly drowned at
the age of twelve, and she struggled with anxiety during
the shoot.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
That sucks. I could have lived without that scene too.
It was so unnecessary, Like it looked pretty sure, but
I don't. It made no sense.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
I think it's pretty interesting.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
It just was out of left field. What the fuck
is a pool of water a kitchen full of water
doing in space?
Speaker 3 (06:59):
The film use of puppets, animatronics, miniatures, and only u
CGI when the alien's legs were in frame. Joane was
adamant about the hybrid having genitalia, which resembled a mix
of male and female sexes twenty century Fox was uncomfortable
with this, and then Geniteliu genitalia on the animatronics were
digitally removed. Ah boomoooo boomooooo.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
I hate that. That's part of the human biology, isn't it. Yep,
Damn gave us a Kendall version of the vision. Okay,
what else.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
For the release of the two thousand and three Alien
Quadrilogy box set, Joane created an alternate version of the
film with a different opening and closing scenes. We watched
the original theatrical one just because it didn't seem like
it was that different. The budget was seventy million and
the box office return was one hundred and sixty one million.
Critical response was mixed, with the praise going to Sigorney
(07:56):
Weaver's performance and the visuals. Jean Pierre Johnee has stated
to be proud of the film, but he swore off
Hollywood after his experience on it. Not sure what the
genital experience, what gitals?
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Okay, his true artistic vision was clouded by CGI.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Yeah, they really needed him. Joss Whedon has been openly
critical of the film, and although they changed the ending,
it was mostly a matter of doing everything wrong. They
said the lines mostly, but they said them all wrong.
They cast it wrong, they designed it wrong, they scored
it wrong, and they did everything wrong that they could
possibly do.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
What a little bitch?
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Right?
Speaker 2 (08:33):
What a little bitch?
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Yeah? Definitely wasn't the script. Joss. A sequel the Resurrection
was planned as Wheden has had written an Earth set
script for Alien five, and Sigourney Weaver was not interested
in the setting, but has remained opening to remained open
to reprising her role as Ellen Ripley on the condition
that she.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Likes the story good for her, I love her, Yes.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
And I believe she has repeated that recently as well,
that she would return to the franchise.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
More sequels were planned to follow Resurrection, but they're ultimately
abandoned as a focus shifted to the crossover series Alien
Versus Predator and then later to the prequel film Prometheus.
The storylines of Resurrections have been continued in the comic
series Aliens Versus Predator, Versus The Terminator, and the books
Aliens Original Sin and Alien Sea of Sorrows.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Deep Space Dive. Let's break down some of our thoughts
on the film. You can share your thoughts with us
through email or social media. We may use your comments
on an upcoming episode.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Got any opening thoughts.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
It was interesting that when we cut, when we first
open the scene, we see basically adolescent nude, like a
bald nude, sugordiny weaver in adolescent form.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Yeah, kind of they're.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Growing, Yeah, but they show her like Mont's pubis or whatever,
and it's without hair. And then they pull back and
she's still there and her hands are across her chest
so you can't see her breasts. But they didn't let
you see the adult Mont's pubis. How rude. I want
(10:21):
to see it fully developed. It's so interesting what Hollywood
deems is appropriate and what's not.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Yeah, and then so Charlie, So they cut the alien
set out of her and all. And shortly after that,
when she's kind of waking up for the first time,
she already has a manicure.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
A manicure, Yeah, she has her nails done in the
sack that they put her in. So they put her
in a weird dryer sheet bag and she emerges with
her fresh nail set and she rips out of it
with her like stiletto like nails. Yeah, And I'm like wow,
(11:02):
and like.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Or did they like hack her biology to get for
those nails all the time.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Well, it seems that this might be part of her
biology then, because previous versions of her had alien like
you know, like arms and legs, and they didn't fully develop.
So maybe that's like a remnant of the alien because
the alien has fierce nails. Yeah, you can't deny it.
(11:30):
The bitch has nails and they are shiny and long
and dark. And maybe that's kind of like alluding to
her like being not of this world anymore. But I
thought it was funny because I'm like a fresh set
and you're kinda pushed through this fabric. It's gonna ruin
(11:50):
your nails. Girl. It was funny. And she's non verbal too,
they're like teaching her words and shit, it's it's like
they're very interested in like seeing her develop. Yeah, and
she seems to be confused, like why do you care?
But then we find out it's because there's been so
many failures that she's kind of an anomaly. Sorry.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Yeah, And so it turns out her DNA is crossover
with the alien that was inside of her, which verse
I don't know that they really explain, like how they
got her DNA to Cloner.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
I don't know how you can clone her with the
thing inside of her right, because that's like a fetus.
You can't. If you clone a person, you can't. It's
gonna be a human without being inseminated. That's a separate human,
that's a separate entity. It lacks a lot of logic here.
(12:48):
I think you have to suspend your disbelief or whatever
they call it. But they could have just cloned the
fucking alien inside of her and left her alone. But
they want so Gourney we were in this movie. Yep,
they want Mother.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
So she's a superhero. Now she's got super strength. She
can play basketball, as we can see your skills on
the court.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
I really wish she would have learned how to do
the basketball spin on the finger, but it would have
sucked up her mannequre. I think that's why she could
have been it for like five seconds. I wanted a
good like spin, like like with her middle finger, just
spinning that basketball, showing off.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
I think if they were going to do that basketball scene,
they should have had like a full game there. They
should have Sigourney versus like for those guys.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Like a real basketball game. That would have like, I
think the basketball took me out of it, like completely,
Like it was weird. It was weird. We're in a
spaceship and we're playing basketball.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
So everything that they trained months for the basketball and
the swimming that wasn't your thing, well.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Was none of my things. They could have saved so
much money not doing any of that shit. I wanted
to talk about how the whole ship is handicap accessible.
That is the future I want to live in. This
guy could go anywhere in the ship for the most part, yep,
because there was elevators everywhere. The only reason they couldn't
(14:21):
get to the elevators was because of the dam aliens.
I wish they would have packed his wheelchair, like, I
wish they would have had his like regular folding wheelchair
that people mostly use for travel, because usually people who
have wheelchairs or wheelchair users, if they have a powerchair,
they sometimes have a travel chair too that's more packable
(14:44):
and easy. But I don't know. I just thought it
was really interesting that they included a person in a wheelchair.
That's pretty cool that this one is like the most
inclusive film that we've seen so far in terms of
like diverse characters and representation of other types of people.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Yeah, and a lot more survivors in this one too.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Yeah. I like that.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
I mean, I don't have too many deep thoughts about
this one.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Like I really liked Wanona in it. She was classic
Wanona with her little pixie cut.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Yeah, she was really good.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
She was so good.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
And then Sigourney Weaver was definitely playing like, I know,
this variation of Ripley that you couldn't really trust, and she.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Was right, you were like wondering seeing.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
The world a little differently. And m mmm.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
I like that though it was a different character for her.
That that's really interesting.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Yeah, Like she just.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Because you have her memories doesn't make her you.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Yeah, and she never really felt like the old Ripley either.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
And I'm glad they didn't do that because I feel
like that would have been really cheesy and stupid. I
like that they made that part of her character like this, Like,
but she's so strong compared to Wanona in her other
not And that's so emblematic of the relationship older women
(16:06):
have with their bodies compared to younger women, Like, older
women are more sure and more okay with who they are,
whereas younger women are still kind of struggling to find
themselves and be okay with who they are. It was
interesting kind of dynamic that they kind of portrayed in film,
because we don't see that a lot. Usually an old
(16:28):
woman is like trying to recapture her youth and trying
to appease men or save a marriage or do something silly,
whereas this is a strong, confident woman who is sure
of herself and she doesn't need anybody's approval to be
who she is. And that is so powerful. And I
(16:49):
think Joss Whedon kind of knows how to write women
like this, and you know what I mean, Like it's
kind of emblematic of his writing style that he writes
strong confident women.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Yeah, yeah, he does.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
So I liked seeing that in this franchise.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Yeah, and there's definitely some like the like the Quippi
dialogue that he's known for and all his shows, like
that's coming through here. Even if he says like they
didn't read his lines right and they played it straighter
than they should have or stuff.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
I mean, it's a This film franchise is not known
for its campiness. No, so when he's bringing camp, you're
gonna get pushedback there He's lucky they got as much
camp as they did out of the film, because if
it was him running the show for real, real, it
would have been like them running through the halls with
(17:43):
Benny Hill as the background music. Sometimes you got to
let go of that artistic vision in order to you know,
meet the the ip where it lives.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Yeah. And then he later you created Firefly, which is
also about like a group of space mercenaries.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Renegade road going out there rogue.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Yeah. So anyway, enough about him. He's been revealed to
be kind of a shit person. So oh okay, I
didn't know why known as a robot. Oh yeah, that
surprised me. I did not remember that at all.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
I was totally caught off guard. Yeah, I was super surprised.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Yeah, because she was playing so emotional and stuff.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Yeah, and then like the exposition about like, oh you're
stuck a model year old easy BBB. That was too much.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
That guy was just like I was so annoying. Oh,
let me explain everything about this. Catch everyone up. Yeah,
how'd you feel about seeing all those failed experiments?
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Well, I took anatomy and physiology and microbiology and all
of these like science classes in my community. College where
we had a preserved fetus that had spina bifida and
(19:04):
it was like fairly large, like pretty close to like birth,
and it reminded me of that, like this preserved life
that didn't get to live at all, like just like
genetically wrong thing. Well, but it's also like this idea
(19:26):
that just because there's something wrong with your genetics, that
doesn't mean that you're not worthy of living. Right, Like
there's this debate that like a lot of people have,
like where we should abort children that are going to
be born deformed, And I think that's an interesting thing
(19:48):
to think about in this situation where they had these
failed attempts. But it's not clear to me seeing them
floating in these jars whether they are living or if
they are dead. Yeah, so that's not clear. So the
symbolism of her exploding the jars doesn't make sense to
(20:08):
me if they were already like kind of floating in
in stasis or not living. So it's just kind of
like very what's the word not chaotic, but like what
is the word? I can't think of it. It's it's
just like she's going through the motions and ordered for
her to mend something in her, But I feel like
(20:33):
I don't know, and in the way that she killed
that one Sigourney, you know, where she's like kill me
and she's like, okay, let me light you on fire.
One of the worst ways to fucking die.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
That's that's like torture, bro.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
You should have just put a bullet in her head
or smothered her with a pillow, or choked her or
done something else, because the way you did it was
just like horrifying. Yes, it was horrifying, and like, I
don't know, there was like who knows. Maybe that's the
Gourney could have had a very happy and full life
if she would have had like a surgery to detach
(21:17):
her arm, and she could have used a wheelchair like
that guy, like we don't know, she could speak, she
could have formed thoughts. She obviously had depression and the
way that they were treating her at this facility made
her feel like she was not worthy of living. But
does that give us permission to kill her because she's
(21:41):
she wants to die when her she could potentially have
a rich and fulfilling life given a little bit of
time and resource and care. I don't know. I had
a lot of thoughts about that you opened the Pendler's Box.
How about you? What did you think about that whole situation.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Well, it's like they didn't explore any of that they
like that you're talking about, Like they didn't. There's no
there's no like message in there really about like the
ethics of cloning and about like the value of these
lives or anything.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
There was nothing. It was very vapid.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
It seemed to be emotional for uh Ripley number eight,
but she didn't really process out loud anything. So yeah,
I don't know. It was just a weird little side
step in the movie.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
It was a literal side step, a literal like vignette
into this other movie that could have happened, and then
we're sucked back into the darkness of the alien movie
and being stalked by these weird Well they're not really
stalked by them in this episode or this movie. They're
not because there's like thirteen of them and they're not
(22:50):
all rushing to get them.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Yeah, I mean not the extent that they have been
in other movies. Right, do they chase them a little bit,
there's that underwater chain, but that seemed like it was
more of the trap to get them to go up
where the eggs are. Yeah, what's this guy's name, General
Martin Perez?
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Perez. He didn't look like a Perez to me. I've
met a lot of Perez in my.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Life, and were they as harry as him?
Speaker 2 (23:18):
I cannot say that. I don't know. I don't I
cannot speak to that part because I'm not looking for
people's body hair. That's not my business.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
I mean, you literally were at the beginning.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Of the movie, he was wearing a you know what.
It reminded me of Colonel Tye, another military guy wearing
a wife, a wife, a tank top and his harry
shoulders are out.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Yeah. He brought like a lot of the camp to this.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
He did bring a lot of camp.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
His death was kind of funny, and I don't know
him yelling orders and I'm just seeing his character from Cheers.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
That's pretty funny because he's like a dead beat in
that show. Yeah, So to see him in a military position.
The actor has done a lot, so I can see
him in this role. But I feel like they didn't
use him to his full range of or capacity, which
was it was all right. I don't care about him
(24:16):
too much, like I could take him or leiaeve him.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Then there's that one scientist who was making out the
glass that was weird.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
And that guy, I feel like he's been another stuff
too where he's like the same creep. I couldn't tell
you what it was, but I feel like I've seen
him and other stuff where he's like a creepy creep.
Let me see if I can find it.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
He's the voice of Chucky.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Yeah, well he played and he played the Chucky guy.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Oh, he is the worm tongue in the Lord of
the Ring series.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
That's where I've seen his ass. Yeah, he plays Chucky before,
like the man before he like possesses the doll Man.
He did a lot of fucking chuckies. He won't say no.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
Keep those Chucky checks coming. The creature effects and the
visual effects in this I think improved from the last movie.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Oh yeah, they were really good. I really enjoyed the
creature in this one. I wish we would have gotten
a better look at the mom or the mother when
she was in the cage, because it was, like, I mean,
the lighting in that cage sucked. I wish it was
better because she had like so mostly their heads are
(25:31):
shaped like penises, but she had kind of like a
triceratops kind of head thing going on for her, And
I really wish I would have seen more of like
what that looked like in terms of like a long
shot instead of all those close ups they were giving.
But the aliens were good. They didn't feel like as motivated. No,
(25:54):
it just felt like they were just like these scary
things that were sometimes there.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Yeah, it seemed like you could have hit out and
avoided them in the ship, Like.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Yeah, there was some signs of intelligence when they like
sacrificed one of their own to like escape, and I
wish they would have continued some of that intelligence. I
guess you did see it in the trap, but it
just didn't feel as calculated to me as it could have. Like,
I don't know, it just they they didn't like this
(26:28):
movie is called Alien, and I feel like we didn't
get enough Alien. It was mostly like the Sigourney and
Winona show. Yeah, with like a very strong hellboy cameo.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Yeah. And then I don't like that they keep like
evolving the aliens in their like their design in their well.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
You didn't like the cow one from last.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Time, No, I didn't like that change. And then this
one goes from being an egg laying species to I.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Think that was the French guy man. I think that
was all the French guys. And the way that the
birth was portrayed to me was so unsatisfying, because human
birth is some of the most like horrifying shit you
will ever witness in real life. And part of it
(27:22):
is that there is a watermelon sized thing coming out
of a lemon sized thing, and there's this tension between
the child and the vaginal canal stretching, and you don't
get that when homegirls already all loose. Yeah, she's all
(27:44):
loose as a goose. She's not you know, when you
see a pregnant woman, you say she's about to pop.
There is no strain in the alien body to show
that she is pregnant. This is clearly done by a
man who has no idea what pregnancy is.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
All the sign and the worm tongue in there saying
that like, oh, childbirth is like a gift that you
gave to the alien, and it's like, that's not a gift.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
No, it's not that I fucking late. I wish I
could lay an egg? Yeah, why didn't? What if we
got the egg laying and we just you know, put
the little egg in an incubator and then we later
check on it, and then we just crack it open.
Wouldn't that be nice? I feel like women would rather
like hatch an egg that's the size of a chicken
(28:31):
egg that grows progressively, or even if it's like the
size of your child, as long as you just like
let it chill.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Ugh. Yeah, you know, because like Biblically, childbirth is referred
to as a punishment. Yeah, yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
I mean what they call it the women's battle or
the woman's war because so many women have lost their
lives doing this thing. And the alien did give pain.
She was like screaming and hollering and shaken all about,
and then she gives birth to this like chucky looking thing.
This like they were they trying to make it look cute.
(29:09):
I don't know what we're giving kind of like like
puppy dog.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Yeah, there's like sympathetic eyes in there, and yeah, just
I'm very creepy.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
And imagine it with genitals.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
You know, maybe uh ripley number eight is able to
lay eggs now.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Oh maybe that'd be nice. That'd be real nice.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
I'm telling you made that fifth movie that would have
been in there.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
She's just laying eggs in the corner. But yeah, that
final creature just was not giving alien. It was giving
like dog, like pet sea monkey. I didn't like it.
And then the fact that it murdered its mother, no
sympathy for it. However, if if that alien baby was
(30:03):
born and then Ripley or somebody else murdered the mother
and then caused him distress, I would have felt bad
for that thing.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
And of course, the way you kill an alien is
by venting it into space. Yeah, this time, little pieces
at a time.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Yeah, what is it? The vacuum of space was literally
vacuuming it out.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
What else underwater? I mean I kind of enjoyed that.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
I thought it was visually stunning, but.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
I think you've had three movies of kind of like
Chase movies. Going underwater was a good twist on that.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
I was just upset. I didn't like it. I just don't.
For me, it didn't make any fucking sense in terms
of being in the vacuum of space. Like, I don't know,
I was just I didn't like it. It made me upset,
But you know, it gave the site illusion of weightlessness
that you don't get and it's kind of necessary sometimes
(31:02):
when we're talking about space and otherworldly, like it was
like another world. But another part that I really was
upset about was that they were wearing their shoes and
their pants and all their clothes while they were swimming,
and that just seems impossible. I feel like so bad
for one on a writer, because like if they would
(31:23):
have let her jump in there with like a swimsuit
and like actually swim, that would have probably felt nicer
for her, And I would have really liked it if
they were wearing swimsuits or at least took off their shoes.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Any other thoughts on the film.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
I thought it was interesting that they got rid of
the company.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Yeah, they're kind of like been two hundred years, that
company doesn't matter anymore.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Yeah, I just I thought that was interesting because I
thought that was kind of like the perfect bad guy.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Yeah, and that's been the through line with all the movies.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Yeah, so I thought it was really strange to veer
away from that. Yeah, So that that was weird because.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
They could have easily made this still the company trying
to become.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
With KIV, like stealing bodies and shit, like their own
bodies like saying like, oh, yeah, you're going to go
to this mining place, and then all of a sudden,
you're not in the mining place. You're in the fucking
room where there's a fucking face, sucker in your face.
I also thought it was weird that they introduced that
guy randomly and he ended up being like, they're saving
(32:30):
Grace the miner.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Yeah, that was weird.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
They're like, random, dude, he's part of our crew. Now
we're gonna save his life. I don't know. The movie
felt way longer than it should have to me.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
I think it might be the shortest ones of our.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
They all feel so long. Why are movies so long?
Why can't they wrap it up after an hour and
a half.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
I mean, those are my ideal movies. What ninety minutes?
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Ninety minutes? Is that an hour and a half? Yeah, yeah, sorry,
I'm bout at that.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
So yeah, I don't know. It's a fun movie. It's weird.
I don't really consider it to be Cannon, even if
technically it is. Like I'm good with the first couple
movies and Romulus.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Astral Queen, who was the standout character in the movie.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
You ready for your astral Queen?
Speaker 3 (33:23):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Who's your favorite character.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
I mean, I said I was ready.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
I'm going to pick Wanona.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
I'm thinking about picking her too.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Just a softy for Wanona.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
I mean, I feel like she brought a lot of
fresh energy to the movie.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Yeah, and her and Sigourney played really well off of
each other, especially in that chapel scene. I really like that.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
Yeah, I mean, I'll go with her too. Her name
was Annelie Kahl, and I think I mean a lot
of the movie, I felt like she was more of
the lead than Sigourney.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
I liked that they were both alive together at the end. Yeah,
kind of go start a new adventure on Earth as
two not quite humans. Well, for a long time that
was the Alien Quadrilogy for movies, and then eventually Prometheus.
King Scott came back to the franchise and said, I'm
going to make some prequels and they're going to be
(34:16):
more cerebral, thought provoking about the origins of mankind. So
Prometheus came out in twenty twelve, and that's the next
movie we're going to watch.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
When was this one released?
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Ninety seven?
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Whoa they waited almost a decade.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
Yeah, Well, they were doing the alien versus Predator for
a couple of years and then I don't those didn't
do that great, I don't think.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
But their video game was good, right.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
I mean they were comics.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
At the end of this movie, they were like, play
the video game. Seriously, it was in the credits.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Okay, I didn't see that. Well, that wraps it up.
We'll go to the spoiler section in case we have
anything to say there.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Let's put our living stereo stylus in this group.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Brace for impact spoilers ahead. If you haven't seen the
whole film series, now is the time to say goodbye.
Remember you can contact us at Spacingoutpod at gmail dot com,
find us on social media, share your thoughts and be
a part of the discussion. Spoilers in five four three two.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
One any spoilers.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
The only thing I was thinking was like, did we
watched Alien Romulus?
Speaker 2 (35:30):
So the idea of the human hybrid is coming into
light in Romulus in a way that you have to
witness and I don't want to. I know this is
the spoiler section, but if you want to hear about it,
I would just recommend you listen to the episode where
we talk about it in depth.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Yeah, so our episode on Alien Romulus is already out,
so you can check that out. But it's interesting to
see that they read there's a human alien hybrid thing
going on, all right in this movie.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Yeah, I think it's really interesting that they revisit it,
but they definitely took a different direction in a way
that I really prefer over this cloning shit.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
All right, all right, that's all we got.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
I haven't seen any of the other ones. It's been
so long since I've seen Prometheus, so and it's a prequel,
so I feel like, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
I mean, I have vague memories of Prometheus and Alien Covenant.
They're kind of blended together, and I don't know, I
remember vibes more than actually what happens in them. So
we will be checking those out in the next couple
of weeks. Fill then, safe out there, Space Pirates.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Thank you for spacing out with BB and Jason. You
can help us out by subscribing and leaving a positive
rating or review. Next time, we will cover the twenty
to twelve film Prometheus. We hope you will join us
Welcome to Spacing Out with BB and Jason, this week
covering the nineteen ninety seven film Alien Resurrection.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Welcome to Spacing Out.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
I'm Bb and I'm Jason, and we are discussing the
Alien franchise. One movie at the time, and at the
moment of this recording, the fourth film is available to
stream on Hulu and or Stars Stars.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Is that still a thing?
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Yep?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
This podcast is being released on two different podcast feeds,
So if you've found it through the Spacing Out with
Alien podcasts, and I invite you to check out our
main channel, Spacing Out with BB and Jason, where we've
covered things like Battlestar Grolactica, Star Trek Our Flag Means Death.
Today we are focusing on only Alien resurrections, so if
there's any discussion of subsequent entries into the franchise, we
(00:53):
will save that for a spoiler section at the end
of the podcast. So, Alien Resurrection premiered on November six,
nineteen ninety seven, written by Joss Whedon and directed by
Jean Pierre Jue. In this movie, two hundred years after
the events of Alien three, Ellen Ripley is cloned and
an alien queen is surgically removed from her body. The
(01:14):
United Systems military hopes to breed aliens to study and
research on the spaceship USM route or Riga using human
hosts kidnapped and delivered to them by a group of mercenaries. However,
Ripley's DNA gets mixed up with the Queen's DNA and
she begins to develop enhance strength and reflexes. The aliens
escape their enclosures, while Ripley and the mercenaries attempt to
(01:37):
escape and destroy the Ariga before it reaches its destination Earth.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Five.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Check.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Did we like the movie overall? How does it stand
the test of time?
Speaker 3 (01:50):
How'd this one sit with you?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
I liked it. I liked it a lot. It featured
a lot of character actors that were familiar with so
it was nice to see a familiar face and it
had a little bit of camp kind of sprinkled in,
So that was fun. Wasn't like super serious all the time? Yeah,
there were like moments where it was kind of breaking
(02:13):
the fourth wall and pain silly. It literally felt like
just in like the faces that they would make, like
when that one guy died, the guy that looks like
Richard Nixon, the guy with the eyebrows. Yeah, he passed away.
He was so funny. And they did that a couple
of times with some of the death scenes where it's
(02:34):
just like humorous deck. So that was fun. And then
obviously it had strong female leads and they worked well
with each other.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Yeah, more than one woman in this movie, right. Yeah,
this is a weird one for me because, like, I
do kind of enjoy it. It's kind of fun. It's
weird and campy, but it's also like it's so far
removed from like that first Alien movie.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Oh yeah, Like I would not compare it to the
first Alien movie at all. This is a Joss Whedon
production for sure, But I think it's better than some
of the other ones we've seen.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Yeah, I think I would take it over Alien three.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
I would take it over Alien two as well. But
I know I'm a controversial. Yeah, I'm a controversial girly.
I just don't like all those like guns and like
that military talk and these grunts and stuff. The mercenaries
had a softer edge to them. There was more a
more like familial sense to them, you know, like family,
(03:38):
like we don't leave anybody behind. Very interesting.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Yeah, so I don't know, it's weird. I went in
a weird direction and like it definitely wasn't like a
necessary movie.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah, like I could, I could take it or leave
it in terms of the franchise's like storyline, I guess,
But I thought it was good. I liked it. I
thought it was interesting that they were cloning her, and
that was kind of glossed over a little until the
middle of the movie where they like show like all
their failed attempts, and then that was kind of interesting.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Yep, all right, let's learn how this came about?
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Trivia time what facts could we uncover for Alien Resurrection?
Speaker 3 (04:23):
So impressed with his work as a screenwriter, twentieth Century
Fox hired Joss Whedon to write the film script. His
initial screenplay had a third act set on Earth with
a final battle for Earth itself, and the studio initially
imagined that the film would center around a clone of
the character Newt from Aliens.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Was Newt Oh the crula white girl?
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Yeah, Marney her, Yes, hate that, And that's just because
Ellen Ripley had died at the end of Alien three,
So they were figured they were.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Going to move on from that, and so we didn't
began writing this before being formed, as the studio now
intended to base the story on a clone of Ripley
because they saw her as the anchor of the series
and weren't ready to let that go yet. Sigourney Weaver
wanted to liberate the character in Alien three, as she
did not want Ripley to become a figure of fun
who would continuously wake up with monsters running around too bad. However,
(05:16):
Weaver was impressed with Whedon's script, and she received a
co producer credit and was reportedly paid eleven million dollars.
Good for her and in her own words, they basically
drove a dump truck full of money to my house.
French filmmaker Jean Pierre Joanet was asked to direct, as
the film's producers believed he had a unique visual style
and he required an interpreter as he did not speak
(05:37):
much English, so.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Him and his interpreter directed.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Yes, so every direction took twice as long. Really, the
basketball shot was Sigourney Weaver's idea, and she insisted on
doing it for real. She trained with a basketball coach
over the course of a month.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
She couldn't learned more ball handling with that. Oh Man
that's too much. Okay, that was the silliest scene to me.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
And reports on this very but some places say that
she made the shot on the first take, the over
the back shot, and then Ron Pearlman nearly ruined the
take by reacting onscreen to her making the shot.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Ron Peerlman is a boy. Hell boy.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Yeah. So a large water tank was constructed for the
underwater scenes, and swimming was a required skill for cast
and crew signing onto the film. The castman week straining
in pools for the scene. Why no, A writer had
not been in the water since she nearly drowned at
the age of twelve, and she struggled with anxiety during
the shoot.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
That sucks. I could have lived without that scene too.
It was so unnecessary, Like it looked pretty sure, but
I don't. It made no sense.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
I think it's pretty interesting.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
It just was out of left field. What the fuck
is a pool of water a kitchen full of water
doing in space?
Speaker 3 (06:59):
The film use of puppets, animatronics, miniatures, and only u
CGI when the alien's legs were in frame. Joane was
adamant about the hybrid having genitalia, which resembled a mix
of male and female sexes twenty century Fox was uncomfortable
with this, and then Geniteliu genitalia on the animatronics were
digitally removed. Ah boomoooo boomooooo.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
I hate that. That's part of the human biology, isn't it. Yep,
Damn gave us a Kendall version of the vision. Okay,
what else.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
For the release of the two thousand and three Alien
Quadrilogy box set, Joane created an alternate version of the
film with a different opening and closing scenes. We watched
the original theatrical one just because it didn't seem like
it was that different. The budget was seventy million and
the box office return was one hundred and sixty one million.
Critical response was mixed, with the praise going to Sigorney
(07:56):
Weaver's performance and the visuals. Jean Pierre Johnee has stated
to be proud of the film, but he swore off
Hollywood after his experience on it. Not sure what the
genital experience, what gitals?
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Okay, his true artistic vision was clouded by CGI.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Yeah, they really needed him. Joss Whedon has been openly
critical of the film, and although they changed the ending,
it was mostly a matter of doing everything wrong. They
said the lines mostly, but they said them all wrong.
They cast it wrong, they designed it wrong, they scored
it wrong, and they did everything wrong that they could
possibly do.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
What a little bitch?
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Right?
Speaker 2 (08:33):
What a little bitch?
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Yeah? Definitely wasn't the script. Joss. A sequel the Resurrection
was planned as Wheden has had written an Earth set
script for Alien five, and Sigourney Weaver was not interested
in the setting, but has remained opening to remained open
to reprising her role as Ellen Ripley on the condition
that she.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Likes the story good for her, I love her, Yes.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
And I believe she has repeated that recently as well,
that she would return to the franchise.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
More sequels were planned to follow Resurrection, but they're ultimately
abandoned as a focus shifted to the crossover series Alien
Versus Predator and then later to the prequel film Prometheus.
The storylines of Resurrections have been continued in the comic
series Aliens Versus Predator, Versus The Terminator, and the books
Aliens Original Sin and Alien Sea of Sorrows.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Deep Space Dive. Let's break down some of our thoughts
on the film. You can share your thoughts with us
through email or social media. We may use your comments
on an upcoming episode.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Got any opening thoughts.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
It was interesting that when we cut, when we first
open the scene, we see basically adolescent nude, like a
bald nude, sugordiny weaver in adolescent form.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Yeah, kind of they're.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Growing, Yeah, but they show her like Mont's pubis or whatever,
and it's without hair. And then they pull back and
she's still there and her hands are across her chest
so you can't see her breasts. But they didn't let
you see the adult Mont's pubis. How rude. I want
(10:21):
to see it fully developed. It's so interesting what Hollywood
deems is appropriate and what's not.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Yeah, and then so Charlie, So they cut the alien
set out of her and all. And shortly after that,
when she's kind of waking up for the first time,
she already has a manicure.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
A manicure, Yeah, she has her nails done in the
sack that they put her in. So they put her
in a weird dryer sheet bag and she emerges with
her fresh nail set and she rips out of it
with her like stiletto like nails. Yeah, And I'm like wow,
(11:02):
and like.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Or did they like hack her biology to get for
those nails all the time.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Well, it seems that this might be part of her
biology then, because previous versions of her had alien like
you know, like arms and legs, and they didn't fully develop.
So maybe that's like a remnant of the alien because
the alien has fierce nails. Yeah, you can't deny it.
(11:30):
The bitch has nails and they are shiny and long
and dark. And maybe that's kind of like alluding to
her like being not of this world anymore. But I
thought it was funny because I'm like a fresh set
and you're kinda pushed through this fabric. It's gonna ruin
(11:50):
your nails. Girl. It was funny. And she's non verbal too,
they're like teaching her words and shit, it's it's like
they're very interested in like seeing her develop. Yeah, and
she seems to be confused, like why do you care?
But then we find out it's because there's been so
many failures that she's kind of an anomaly. Sorry.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Yeah, And so it turns out her DNA is crossover
with the alien that was inside of her, which verse
I don't know that they really explain, like how they
got her DNA to Cloner.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
I don't know how you can clone her with the
thing inside of her right, because that's like a fetus.
You can't. If you clone a person, you can't. It's
gonna be a human without being inseminated. That's a separate human,
that's a separate entity. It lacks a lot of logic here.
(12:48):
I think you have to suspend your disbelief or whatever
they call it. But they could have just cloned the
fucking alien inside of her and left her alone. But
they want so Gourney we were in this movie. Yep,
they want Mother.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
So she's a superhero. Now she's got super strength. She
can play basketball, as we can see your skills on
the court.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
I really wish she would have learned how to do
the basketball spin on the finger, but it would have
sucked up her mannequre. I think that's why she could
have been it for like five seconds. I wanted a
good like spin, like like with her middle finger, just
spinning that basketball, showing off.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
I think if they were going to do that basketball scene,
they should have had like a full game there. They
should have Sigourney versus like for those guys.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Like a real basketball game. That would have like, I
think the basketball took me out of it, like completely,
Like it was weird. It was weird. We're in a
spaceship and we're playing basketball.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
So everything that they trained months for the basketball and
the swimming that wasn't your thing, well.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Was none of my things. They could have saved so
much money not doing any of that shit. I wanted
to talk about how the whole ship is handicap accessible.
That is the future I want to live in. This
guy could go anywhere in the ship for the most part, yep,
because there was elevators everywhere. The only reason they couldn't
(14:21):
get to the elevators was because of the dam aliens.
I wish they would have packed his wheelchair, like, I
wish they would have had his like regular folding wheelchair
that people mostly use for travel, because usually people who
have wheelchairs or wheelchair users, if they have a powerchair,
they sometimes have a travel chair too that's more packable
(14:44):
and easy. But I don't know. I just thought it
was really interesting that they included a person in a wheelchair.
That's pretty cool that this one is like the most
inclusive film that we've seen so far in terms of
like diverse characters and representation of other types of people.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Yeah, and a lot more survivors in this one too.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Yeah. I like that.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
I mean, I don't have too many deep thoughts about
this one.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Like I really liked Wanona in it. She was classic
Wanona with her little pixie cut.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Yeah, she was really good.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
She was so good.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
And then Sigourney Weaver was definitely playing like, I know,
this variation of Ripley that you couldn't really trust, and she.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Was right, you were like wondering seeing.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
The world a little differently. And m mmm.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
I like that though it was a different character for her.
That that's really interesting.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Yeah, Like she just.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Because you have her memories doesn't make her you.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Yeah, and she never really felt like the old Ripley either.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
And I'm glad they didn't do that because I feel
like that would have been really cheesy and stupid. I
like that they made that part of her character like this, Like,
but she's so strong compared to Wanona in her other
not And that's so emblematic of the relationship older women
(16:06):
have with their bodies compared to younger women, Like, older
women are more sure and more okay with who they are,
whereas younger women are still kind of struggling to find
themselves and be okay with who they are. It was
interesting kind of dynamic that they kind of portrayed in film,
because we don't see that a lot. Usually an old
(16:28):
woman is like trying to recapture her youth and trying
to appease men or save a marriage or do something silly,
whereas this is a strong, confident woman who is sure
of herself and she doesn't need anybody's approval to be
who she is. And that is so powerful. And I
(16:49):
think Joss Whedon kind of knows how to write women
like this, and you know what I mean, Like it's
kind of emblematic of his writing style that he writes
strong confident women.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Yeah, yeah, he does.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
So I liked seeing that in this franchise.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Yeah, and there's definitely some like the like the Quippi
dialogue that he's known for and all his shows, like
that's coming through here. Even if he says like they
didn't read his lines right and they played it straighter
than they should have or stuff.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
I mean, it's a This film franchise is not known
for its campiness. No, so when he's bringing camp, you're
gonna get pushedback there He's lucky they got as much
camp as they did out of the film, because if
it was him running the show for real, real, it
would have been like them running through the halls with
(17:43):
Benny Hill as the background music. Sometimes you got to
let go of that artistic vision in order to you know,
meet the the ip where it lives.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Yeah. And then he later you created Firefly, which is
also about like a group of space mercenaries.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Renegade road going out there rogue.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Yeah. So anyway, enough about him. He's been revealed to
be kind of a shit person. So oh okay, I
didn't know why known as a robot. Oh yeah, that
surprised me. I did not remember that at all.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
I was totally caught off guard. Yeah, I was super surprised.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Yeah, because she was playing so emotional and stuff.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Yeah, and then like the exposition about like, oh you're
stuck a model year old easy BBB. That was too much.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
That guy was just like I was so annoying. Oh,
let me explain everything about this. Catch everyone up. Yeah,
how'd you feel about seeing all those failed experiments?
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Well, I took anatomy and physiology and microbiology and all
of these like science classes in my community. College where
we had a preserved fetus that had spina bifida and
(19:04):
it was like fairly large, like pretty close to like birth,
and it reminded me of that, like this preserved life
that didn't get to live at all, like just like
genetically wrong thing. Well, but it's also like this idea
(19:26):
that just because there's something wrong with your genetics, that
doesn't mean that you're not worthy of living. Right, Like
there's this debate that like a lot of people have,
like where we should abort children that are going to
be born deformed, And I think that's an interesting thing
(19:48):
to think about in this situation where they had these
failed attempts. But it's not clear to me seeing them
floating in these jars whether they are living or if
they are dead. Yeah, so that's not clear. So the
symbolism of her exploding the jars doesn't make sense to
(20:08):
me if they were already like kind of floating in
in stasis or not living. So it's just kind of
like very what's the word not chaotic, but like what
is the word? I can't think of it. It's it's
just like she's going through the motions and ordered for
her to mend something in her, But I feel like
(20:33):
I don't know, and in the way that she killed
that one Sigourney, you know, where she's like kill me
and she's like, okay, let me light you on fire.
One of the worst ways to fucking die.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
That's that's like torture, bro.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
You should have just put a bullet in her head
or smothered her with a pillow, or choked her or
done something else, because the way you did it was
just like horrifying. Yes, it was horrifying, and like, I
don't know, there was like who knows. Maybe that's the
Gourney could have had a very happy and full life
if she would have had like a surgery to detach
(21:17):
her arm, and she could have used a wheelchair like
that guy, like we don't know, she could speak, she
could have formed thoughts. She obviously had depression and the
way that they were treating her at this facility made
her feel like she was not worthy of living. But
does that give us permission to kill her because she's
(21:41):
she wants to die when her she could potentially have
a rich and fulfilling life given a little bit of
time and resource and care. I don't know. I had
a lot of thoughts about that you opened the Pendler's Box.
How about you? What did you think about that whole situation.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Well, it's like they didn't explore any of that they
like that you're talking about, Like they didn't. There's no
there's no like message in there really about like the
ethics of cloning and about like the value of these
lives or anything.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
There was nothing. It was very vapid.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
It seemed to be emotional for uh Ripley number eight,
but she didn't really process out loud anything. So yeah,
I don't know. It was just a weird little side
step in the movie.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
It was a literal side step, a literal like vignette
into this other movie that could have happened, and then
we're sucked back into the darkness of the alien movie
and being stalked by these weird Well they're not really
stalked by them in this episode or this movie. They're
not because there's like thirteen of them and they're not
(22:50):
all rushing to get them.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Yeah, I mean not the extent that they have been
in other movies. Right, do they chase them a little bit,
there's that underwater chain, but that seemed like it was
more of the trap to get them to go up
where the eggs are. Yeah, what's this guy's name, General
Martin Perez?
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Perez. He didn't look like a Perez to me. I've
met a lot of Perez in my.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Life, and were they as harry as him?
Speaker 2 (23:18):
I cannot say that. I don't know. I don't I
cannot speak to that part because I'm not looking for
people's body hair. That's not my business.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
I mean, you literally were at the beginning.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Of the movie, he was wearing a you know what.
It reminded me of Colonel Tye, another military guy wearing
a wife, a wife, a tank top and his harry
shoulders are out.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Yeah. He brought like a lot of the camp to this.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
He did bring a lot of camp.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
His death was kind of funny, and I don't know
him yelling orders and I'm just seeing his character from Cheers.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
That's pretty funny because he's like a dead beat in
that show. Yeah, So to see him in a military position.
The actor has done a lot, so I can see
him in this role. But I feel like they didn't
use him to his full range of or capacity, which
was it was all right. I don't care about him
(24:16):
too much, like I could take him or leiaeve him.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Then there's that one scientist who was making out the
glass that was weird.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
And that guy, I feel like he's been another stuff
too where he's like the same creep. I couldn't tell
you what it was, but I feel like I've seen
him and other stuff where he's like a creepy creep.
Let me see if I can find it.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
He's the voice of Chucky.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Yeah, well he played and he played the Chucky guy.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Oh, he is the worm tongue in the Lord of
the Ring series.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
That's where I've seen his ass. Yeah, he plays Chucky before,
like the man before he like possesses the doll Man.
He did a lot of fucking chuckies. He won't say no.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
Keep those Chucky checks coming. The creature effects and the
visual effects in this I think improved from the last movie.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Oh yeah, they were really good. I really enjoyed the
creature in this one. I wish we would have gotten
a better look at the mom or the mother when
she was in the cage, because it was, like, I mean,
the lighting in that cage sucked. I wish it was
better because she had like so mostly their heads are
(25:31):
shaped like penises, but she had kind of like a
triceratops kind of head thing going on for her, And
I really wish I would have seen more of like
what that looked like in terms of like a long
shot instead of all those close ups they were giving.
But the aliens were good. They didn't feel like as motivated. No,
(25:54):
it just felt like they were just like these scary
things that were sometimes there.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Yeah, it seemed like you could have hit out and
avoided them in the ship, Like.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Yeah, there was some signs of intelligence when they like
sacrificed one of their own to like escape, and I
wish they would have continued some of that intelligence. I
guess you did see it in the trap, but it
just didn't feel as calculated to me as it could have. Like,
I don't know, it just they they didn't like this
(26:28):
movie is called Alien, and I feel like we didn't
get enough Alien. It was mostly like the Sigourney and
Winona show. Yeah, with like a very strong hellboy cameo.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Yeah. And then I don't like that they keep like
evolving the aliens in their like their design in their well.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
You didn't like the cow one from last.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Time, No, I didn't like that change. And then this
one goes from being an egg laying species to I.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Think that was the French guy man. I think that
was all the French guys. And the way that the
birth was portrayed to me was so unsatisfying, because human
birth is some of the most like horrifying shit you
will ever witness in real life. And part of it
(27:22):
is that there is a watermelon sized thing coming out
of a lemon sized thing, and there's this tension between
the child and the vaginal canal stretching, and you don't
get that when homegirls already all loose. Yeah, she's all
(27:44):
loose as a goose. She's not you know, when you
see a pregnant woman, you say she's about to pop.
There is no strain in the alien body to show
that she is pregnant. This is clearly done by a
man who has no idea what pregnancy is.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
All the sign and the worm tongue in there saying
that like, oh, childbirth is like a gift that you
gave to the alien, and it's like, that's not a gift.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
No, it's not that I fucking late. I wish I
could lay an egg? Yeah, why didn't? What if we
got the egg laying and we just you know, put
the little egg in an incubator and then we later
check on it, and then we just crack it open.
Wouldn't that be nice? I feel like women would rather
like hatch an egg that's the size of a chicken
(28:31):
egg that grows progressively, or even if it's like the
size of your child, as long as you just like
let it chill.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Ugh. Yeah, you know, because like Biblically, childbirth is referred
to as a punishment. Yeah, yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
I mean what they call it the women's battle or
the woman's war because so many women have lost their
lives doing this thing. And the alien did give pain.
She was like screaming and hollering and shaken all about,
and then she gives birth to this like chucky looking thing.
This like they were they trying to make it look cute.
(29:09):
I don't know what we're giving kind of like like
puppy dog.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Yeah, there's like sympathetic eyes in there, and yeah, just
I'm very creepy.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
And imagine it with genitals.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
You know, maybe uh ripley number eight is able to
lay eggs now.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Oh maybe that'd be nice. That'd be real nice.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
I'm telling you made that fifth movie that would have
been in there.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
She's just laying eggs in the corner. But yeah, that
final creature just was not giving alien. It was giving
like dog, like pet sea monkey. I didn't like it.
And then the fact that it murdered its mother, no
sympathy for it. However, if if that alien baby was
(30:03):
born and then Ripley or somebody else murdered the mother
and then caused him distress, I would have felt bad
for that thing.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
And of course, the way you kill an alien is
by venting it into space. Yeah, this time, little pieces
at a time.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Yeah, what is it? The vacuum of space was literally
vacuuming it out.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
What else underwater? I mean I kind of enjoyed that.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
I thought it was visually stunning, but.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
I think you've had three movies of kind of like
Chase movies. Going underwater was a good twist on that.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
I was just upset. I didn't like it. I just don't.
For me, it didn't make any fucking sense in terms
of being in the vacuum of space. Like, I don't know,
I was just I didn't like it. It made me upset,
But you know, it gave the site illusion of weightlessness
that you don't get and it's kind of necessary sometimes
(31:02):
when we're talking about space and otherworldly, like it was
like another world. But another part that I really was
upset about was that they were wearing their shoes and
their pants and all their clothes while they were swimming,
and that just seems impossible. I feel like so bad
for one on a writer, because like if they would
(31:23):
have let her jump in there with like a swimsuit
and like actually swim, that would have probably felt nicer
for her, And I would have really liked it if
they were wearing swimsuits or at least took off their shoes.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Any other thoughts on the film.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
I thought it was interesting that they got rid of
the company.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Yeah, they're kind of like been two hundred years, that
company doesn't matter anymore.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Yeah, I just I thought that was interesting because I
thought that was kind of like the perfect bad guy.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Yeah, and that's been the through line with all the movies.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Yeah, so I thought it was really strange to veer
away from that. Yeah, So that that was weird because.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
They could have easily made this still the company trying
to become.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
With KIV, like stealing bodies and shit, like their own
bodies like saying like, oh, yeah, you're going to go
to this mining place, and then all of a sudden,
you're not in the mining place. You're in the fucking
room where there's a fucking face, sucker in your face.
I also thought it was weird that they introduced that
guy randomly and he ended up being like, they're saving
(32:30):
Grace the miner.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Yeah, that was weird.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
They're like, random, dude, he's part of our crew. Now
we're gonna save his life. I don't know. The movie
felt way longer than it should have to me.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
I think it might be the shortest ones of our.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
They all feel so long. Why are movies so long?
Why can't they wrap it up after an hour and
a half.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
I mean, those are my ideal movies. What ninety minutes?
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Ninety minutes? Is that an hour and a half? Yeah, yeah, sorry,
I'm bout at that.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
So yeah, I don't know. It's a fun movie. It's weird.
I don't really consider it to be Cannon, even if
technically it is. Like I'm good with the first couple
movies and Romulus.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Astral Queen, who was the standout character in the movie.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
You ready for your astral Queen?
Speaker 3 (33:23):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Who's your favorite character.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
I mean, I said I was ready.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
I'm going to pick Wanona.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
I'm thinking about picking her too.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Just a softy for Wanona.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
I mean, I feel like she brought a lot of
fresh energy to the movie.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Yeah, and her and Sigourney played really well off of
each other, especially in that chapel scene. I really like that.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
Yeah, I mean, I'll go with her too. Her name
was Annelie Kahl, and I think I mean a lot
of the movie, I felt like she was more of
the lead than Sigourney.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
I liked that they were both alive together at the end. Yeah,
kind of go start a new adventure on Earth as
two not quite humans. Well, for a long time that
was the Alien Quadrilogy for movies, and then eventually Prometheus.
King Scott came back to the franchise and said, I'm
going to make some prequels and they're going to be
(34:16):
more cerebral, thought provoking about the origins of mankind. So
Prometheus came out in twenty twelve, and that's the next
movie we're going to watch.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
When was this one released?
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Ninety seven?
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Whoa they waited almost a decade.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
Yeah, Well, they were doing the alien versus Predator for
a couple of years and then I don't those didn't
do that great, I don't think.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
But their video game was good, right.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
I mean they were comics.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
At the end of this movie, they were like, play
the video game. Seriously, it was in the credits.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Okay, I didn't see that. Well, that wraps it up.
We'll go to the spoiler section in case we have
anything to say there.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Let's put our living stereo stylus in this group.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Brace for impact spoilers ahead. If you haven't seen the
whole film series, now is the time to say goodbye.
Remember you can contact us at Spacingoutpod at gmail dot com,
find us on social media, share your thoughts and be
a part of the discussion. Spoilers in five four three two.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
One any spoilers.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
The only thing I was thinking was like, did we
watched Alien Romulus?
Speaker 2 (35:30):
So the idea of the human hybrid is coming into
light in Romulus in a way that you have to
witness and I don't want to. I know this is
the spoiler section, but if you want to hear about it,
I would just recommend you listen to the episode where
we talk about it in depth.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Yeah, so our episode on Alien Romulus is already out,
so you can check that out. But it's interesting to
see that they read there's a human alien hybrid thing
going on, all right in this movie.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Yeah, I think it's really interesting that they revisit it,
but they definitely took a different direction in a way
that I really prefer over this cloning shit.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
All right, all right, that's all we got.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
I haven't seen any of the other ones. It's been
so long since I've seen Prometheus, so and it's a prequel,
so I feel like, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
I mean, I have vague memories of Prometheus and Alien Covenant.
They're kind of blended together, and I don't know, I
remember vibes more than actually what happens in them. So
we will be checking those out in the next couple
of weeks. Fill then, safe out there, Space Pirates.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Thank you for spacing out with BB and Jason. You
can help us out by subscribing and leaving a positive
rating or review. Next time, we will cover the twenty
to twelve film Prometheus. We hope you will join us
Popular Podcasts
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com
My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
My Favorite Murder is a true crime comedy podcast hosted by Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark. Each week, Karen and Georgia share compelling true crimes and hometown stories from friends and listeners. Since MFM launched in January of 2016, Karen and Georgia have shared their lifelong interest in true crime and have covered stories of infamous serial killers like the Night Stalker, mysterious cold cases, captivating cults, incredible survivor stories and important events from history like the Tulsa race massacre of 1921. My Favorite Murder is part of the Exactly Right podcast network that provides a platform for bold, creative voices to bring to life provocative, entertaining and relatable stories for audiences everywhere. The Exactly Right roster of podcasts covers a variety of topics including historic true crime, comedic interviews and news, science, pop culture and more. Podcasts on the network include Buried Bones with Kate Winkler Dawson and Paul Holes, That's Messed Up: An SVU Podcast, This Podcast Will Kill You, Bananas and more.