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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to Spacing Out with BB and Jason this week
covering the nineteen eighty six film Aliens.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Welcome to spacing Now.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
I'm BB and I'm Jason, and we are discussing the
Alien franchise one movie at a time, and at the
moment of this recording, the second movie is available to
stream on Max and this podcast is being released on
two different podcast feeds, So if you found it through
the Spacing Out with Alien podcast feeds, then I invite
you to check out our main channel, Spacing Out with
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BB and Jason, where we have covered things like Battlestar Galactica,
Star Trek and Our Flag Means Death over one hundred episodes,
plus many more things to come. So we are only
focusing on Aliens, the second film today, so if there's
any discussion of other entries into the franchise, we will
save that for a spoiler section at the end of
the podcast, So if you haven't seen the other movies yet,
we will shield you from the spoilers. And although our
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coverage of Alien Romula came out last week, we were
actually recording this prior to having seen Romulus, so we
definitely won't be speaking about that film at all, but
we are talking about Aliens, which premiered on July eighteenth,
nineteen eighty six, was written by James Cameron, story by
James Cameron, David Guyler, and Walter Hill, and directed by
James Cameron.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
James Cameron did a lot in this movie.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Yes, it felt very James Cameron. Yes, it did. And
BB and I actually watched the extended cut. It was
about twenty minutes longer. So there's some extra footage in there,
and I'll kind of go through what the difference was
here in a moment.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Oh my god, that's why it was so long.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Yes, okay, But for a plot summary, fifty seven years
after Ellen Ripley had a close encounter with the reptilian
alien Creacher from the first movie, she is called back,
this time to help a group of highly trained Colonial
Marines fight off against the sinister extraterrestrials, But this time
the aliens have taken over a space colony on the
moon LV four two six. When the Colonial Marines are
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called upon to search the deserted space colony, they later
find out that they are up against more than what
they had bargained for. Using specially modified machine guns and
enough firepower. It's either fight or die is the most
Space Marines battle against the aliens. As the Marines do
their best to defend themselves, Ripley must attempt to predict
a young girl who is a sole survivor of the
nearly wiped out space colony.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
And also kind of a replet replacement for her lost
daughter that we never found out about in the previous movie.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Yeah, and I'll mention that in just the moment, but
that's the mention of her daughter was an extended cut thing.
But first, let's go through the vibe check.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Vibe check. Did we like the movie overall? How does
it stand the test of time?
Speaker 2 (02:43):
So I didn't care for this movie as much as
I cared for the first one. It's not my favorite
so far out of the two ife seen. The graphics
were okay, but that first movie, the it was just
a maze. I e the set and like they didn't.
It just felt this movie felt like hokey pokey compared
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to the elevated craftsmanship of the first one. Somehow, like
this one felt like flashy and more eighties, and I
think it lost some of that original artisanal vibe.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Yeah, it's definitely like a more like polished movie.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
It's definitely also more mainstream.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Yeah, and it's a different genre really, Like this is
an action movie.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yeah, it was really Yeah, it was super action. And
this didn't feel like it was universal like the last one.
Like the last one really focused on the characters and
this fear of the unknown and and you know, like
having these people kind of like figuring out, like how
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are we going to get out of here? What are
we going to do? This one it's just like a
bunch of marines who were loud and gross and just
like really, I don't think I connected with any one
of them. None of the characters were sympathetic or were
endearing or real. They were really hollow and it was
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just unfortunate.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Yeah, that's fair. It's a definitely a different beast than
the first one.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
I think, you know who had more character? The fucking
uh what's it called, the flamethrower? The flame thrower had
more range than some of these characters. I don't know.
It just it wasn't for me. It could be very
clearly not for me. So I'm not my cup of tea,
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But I'm glad I experienced it, and I can say
that I've seen it, and it's definitely probably like part
of like film history for James Cameron. Like I don't
know how many other budget films he'd made before this one,
but this one definitely shows his style and his like,
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I mean, he was on he was on display for sure.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Yeah. It's really his first like big major buster. He
had The Terminator right before this, right that was a
low budget.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Thing that was a big hit, so they gave him
a lot of money.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Yeah, I mean I like it. It did feel I
mean maybe it was an extended cut, but it felt
like a long movie today, But I like it. I
like it as like a pair with the first movie,
knowing that it's it's not the same thing as Alien.
It's a very different movie and they're like two different
sides to this. I don't know franchise story here, Yeah,
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but I think I do prefer the way that first
movie just felt more like intimate and like the ri
And Yeah, because there's a lot of world building in
this They really expand to show you more of like
their society and.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
We learn more about that company and they're interworkings and
the military, like everything is everything is bigger in this movie.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Yeah, and there is something about it just being this
isolated spaceship in the first movie that.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
It really like hits a nerve. Yeah, but yeah, I
felt like this one wasn't relatable at all. So I mean,
do you think it stands the test of time. I
think it does for what it is. Even though I'm
not like a fan of it, I can see how
it can still be enjoyed by today's audience.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Yeah, I think it's still like a really good action movie.
It's got a really good like eighties style action movie.
And maybe the casting doesn't hold up in the test
of time since there is some brown face going on.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Yeah, dude, I was looking it up, and I've heard
rumblings about, you know, because I it shows up like
yellow face, and you know, people specifically, usually white people
putting on a costume to resemble a different race or
ethnicity and vast guess was it.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Yeah, that actor.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Was not of Hispanic descent. Like if you google them,
they're going to be a Jewish woman. So they're like, oh,
you're vaguely ethnic. We'll just put a little bronzer on
you and you'll be all right. And it's really sad
because I feel like if they would have hired like
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a Latina or a Hispanic person and made the same character.
It would have been really powerful to see this kind
of queer representation on screen because she's very butch, she's
very masked, and she's like, you know, calling Sigurdney Weaver Bonita.
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So it's just like very queer coded, and it's just
like it degrades itself by being a caricature of somebody
instead of actually being somebody of that race or ethnicity.
So it's just really unfortunate because there was like a
they were they were like testing stereotypes and stuff like
they were they were breaking some barriers, but they were
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also using them in a way that was like problematic.
So I'm just like one for one way, like it's
like cool queer representation. On the other hand, it's a
person pretending to be Hispanic. So it's just like, yeah,
mixed feelings there. Yeah, it's super mixed. Because if if
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that character, like if I didn't know anything about that
character as it as like in real life, like if
I thought they were Latino or Latina or whatever, I
would have been really excited. But like you can kind
of tell, it's just very like it's laid on really
thick with the accent and the the like Spanish that's
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all thrown in there. And you could argue that, you know,
we're in a post race society or whatever, but it
was made in the eighties, so there was still definitely
race when you look at the context of the writing.
So I think Castine did a really poor job in
that they could have just had a Jewish woman play,
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like just be a Jewish woman too.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Yeah, Like if that's who they wanted to cast I
don't think they would have to change that much in
the script.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
No, she could have. She could have used Yiddish.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Do I feel like they just wanted like a woman
that was like tough and had that build.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Yeah, and she she met like the criteria for a
lot of the like characteristics of that character. But like
you know, it just felt inauthentic in so many ways.
And I feel bad for that actress because now that's
like part of her permanent record, Like she will forever
be known as the person who did brown face and
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alien and it sucks because that rule. I'm sure it
was like a big deal for her. But now with
our quote unquote PC culture, she's she's not like I
don't no, I don't know when, I don't know. It
just felt weird, felt weird. I didn't like it the character.
It made me really like disappointed in the character, and
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I couldn't relate to her in so many ways. Do
you want to talk about trivia? I just kind of
started doing deep down. I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
We were talking about how it doesn't hold up. So yeah, relevant, Yeah,
let's do trivia trivia time?
Speaker 1 (10:27):
What facts could we uncover for Aliens?
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Discussions of a sequel to Alien began immediately, but twentieth
Century Fox was not initially interested, leaving the first film
success to be a fluke and the overall box office
decline of horror films. James Cameron was asked to write
a script treatment in nineteen eighty three after his script
for The Terminator was viewed by executives and they originally
declined to let him direct the movie until the Terminator
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release and was a surprise hit, changing their minds.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
The studios just keep getting surprised.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Yeah, they're like, oh no.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
It's a fluke.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
Oh no, They're always like this will never work, and
then it does work, Like, well that was a one
time thing. Yeah, Sigourney Weaver initially refused offers to return
as she was concerned that the movie was being made
exclusively for financial reasons.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
What I wonder what changed her? Yeah, I wonder what
changed her mind. Maybe she read the script or something.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Yeah. Probably. Carrie Hn, who played Newt, did not continue
acting after this film, but has remained friends with Sigourney
Weaver That Little Girl yep So. Tensions were very high
during production. Cameron, a Canadian, had little familiarity with the
British film industry to traditions such as tea breaks which
interrupted production daily. This was shot in London, Oh and
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the overall relaxed attitude of the crew compared to American
crews frustrated him.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
He's Canadian. Why is he so americanized?
Speaker 3 (11:47):
He's he's been working in the American film industry. Canadian
film industry is pretty small. The crew were also dismissive,
dismissive of him for his relative inexperience as a director,
and didn't like his hands on approach to this when
they had a unionized crew, and the situation deteriorated throughout
production until the crew walked out in the middle of
the day. Good for them, negotiations brought most of the
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crew back, with a crew agreeing to support Cameron him
agreeing to support their scheduled working hours.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Why wouldn't be What a bitch? What an eighties bitch
to be like, you all can't have a tea break?
I would love you know what, Almost every country has
some sort of additional break, Like in Mexico, there's this
thing called Siesta, and I think it happens in Spain too,
where between the hours of two and four the country
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shuts down and people go home and take a little
nap and then they come back to work and they
stay open a little longer. Could you imagine a two
hour break in your day for a little nap.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Yeah, now I just have to zone out for a
couple hours a day.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Yeah, but a tea break, I would I'm into that.
I would love a spot of tea. Sorry y'all, that
was my British accent.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Yeah, He's just like, all right, guys, we've got limited
time here, so we're going to focus and buckle down.
And what do you guys doing drinking tea right now?
Speaker 2 (13:08):
What is that a biscuit? I wonder if he's came
back to London and was like learned his lesson or
Britain or wherever.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Despite the delays, the film was finished on time and
on budget. The film once again makes extensive use of
miniatures for filming. Despite the hordes of aliens in the film,
only twelve suits were made.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
That's still way more than the last one. I think
they only had two. Yeah, and the suits were way
better in this one.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
You know a lot of times when they're implying like
lots of aliens, it's like they're on the other side
of the door and they're just looking at the numbers
on the screen.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Yeah, Or there's like that screen with all the little
lights on it.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Yeah. Improvisation was allowed on a lot of scenes and
brought us some of the iconic lines such as game over, Man,
game over?
Speaker 2 (13:52):
What's another scene line?
Speaker 3 (13:54):
I think a lot of Bill Paxston was what else
is he?
Speaker 2 (13:58):
And his name sounds so f familiar.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
He's in the original Twister?
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Oh is he one of the main guys in Twister?
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Dang, that movie just came out again, huh so.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
An extended cut of the film was released on laser
disc in nineteen ninety one, and then later on other formats.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Laser disc.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Yeah. The theatrical cut is one hundred and thirty seven minutes.
The extended cut is one hundred and fifty seven minutes long,
so twenty minutes longer. James Cameron has stated that the
extended cut is his preferred version, so some of the
differences between the versions. Obviously, the extended cut has some
extra scenes in it. So there's a scene revealing that
Ripley's daughter has passed away at age sixty six.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
With a horribly pixelated picture of an old woman.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Yeah, and that old woman was actually Sigourney Weaver's mother.
The court hearing scene is extended with Ripley snapping and
throwing the papers, and then there's a scene with Newt's
family prospecting the moon before being attacked, so her family
is not in the theatrical cut. There's a series of
long tracking shots establishing the interior of the empty sou Lake.
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Zu Letco ship their ship that they go out there on,
similar to the opening of the first film, and then
see there's several separate sequences involving the survivor's use of
automated robot sentry guns to defend the colony from the xenomorphs.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
I hate that name. I like that they call them bugs.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Yeah, they were really like emphasizing that over like I
don't know, they're more like reptilian sometimes, but they I.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Mean the hive queen thing.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Yeah, they really dove into that analogy. There's a scene
where Ripley and Hicks reveal their first names to each
other and it kind of hints at a more romantic interest.
Then several other scenes are extended or use alternate takes
or alternate dialogue. The budget was eighteen point five million,
and the box office revenue was somewhere between one hundred
and thirty one and one hundred and eighty three million.
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Holy crap, another big fluke.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
That was random. They didn't think that would happen.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Critical response to the film at the time was generally positive,
and over time the critical assessment of the film has
grown to be seen as one of the greatest science
fiction films of all time and one of the greatest
sequels of all time.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Really yeah, wow, you can tell that. I'm very surprised by.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
That, So I think you're in the minority of not
being that into it.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Aliens has had an enduring influence on filmmaking, being cited
by filmmakers and elements of it being repeated in other films.
The film also elevated Ellen Ripley to be seen as
a postfeminist icon and among the greatest action heroes.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Yeah, I could see that.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Yeah, she's definitely more more of an active hero in this.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
She has agency, which a lot of when you think
of like science fiction and horror, the female protagonist is
usually not in charge of their destiny.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Yeah, she kind of. She comes back in this one,
and she's like more on the offensive and she's a
tougher and more like Resilien. Yeaheah. She's kind of like
Sarah Connor and The Terminator where she comes back in
the second movie as a badass.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
So this is James Cameron's calling card pretty much.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
The film received Academy Awards for Best Sound Effects and
Best Visual Effects, and Sigourney Weaver got a nomination for
Best Actress, which was the first given for a science
fiction film at a time when the genre was given
little respect. The film also won several other accolades, including
eight Saturn Awards and a Hugo Award for Best Dramatic Presentation,
and the success led to immediate discussions of a sequel,
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which resulted in nineteen ninety two's Alien three.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
So one for each a decade.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Huh yep, Deep Space Dive. Let's break down some of
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Speaker 3 (17:45):
All this time around, Sigourney Weaver got top billing, yes, queen, And.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
I hope she got her coins too.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
I'm sure she did.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
I hope she did. You never know with American filmmaking industry.
Oh but they shot and London, so maybe it's a
little bit different.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Yeah, but I think she had become a much bigger
star by this point.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Yeah, good for her.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
So we pick up with her being rescued from her ship.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Right Saint Poe's hand by the heart, Kitty on the lap,
very angelic. Apparently she's been in outer space for fifty
two years, fifty seven fifty seven years.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
And I guess when you're in that cryo sleep.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
You don't ate iogenically frozen, your hair doesn't grow nothing,
You're not even her nails. Yeah, she didn't have like
I mean, it's only been what like five years since
the last movie.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
It's been seven.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Seven, so she aged pretty well. She's not as young
as she used to be, but she looks good and
I think she still got it. And God, wouldn't it
be awful if the first person you met when like
you woke up was like a company representative. Right, Oh,
that's awful. Where's your family? I guess she didn't have
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any living relatives.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
I guess not when we only mentioned her daughter, which
is an extended cut thing.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
But yeah, that's awful. I hate this company. I hate
this company so much. It's like this idea of profits
over people is still a through line from the last movie.
And I feel like the guy who plays the company guy,
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I don't know his name, Burke? Is it Burke? Yeah, Burke?
He sucks. He's the perfect guy. He looks like an
eighties sleeve bag. Yeah, Like, I wouldn't trust that man
with anything. And if he said, oh, like, don't worry
about it. We're definitely going to kill these aliens that
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are worth millions of dollars to my company.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Yeah, Like, corporate greed is definitely like a theme in
these two movies. Yeah, I kind of like that.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
It's very interesting though, because like in the eighties, corporate
greed is almost romanticized and like it's like something that
a lot of people aspire to think about that movie
Wall Street where they say greed is good, or even
like the movie American Psycho with Christian Bale, where you know,
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it's these affluent white men kind of climbing the corporate
ladder and doing their best job to make money for
corporations and be active participants in capitalism. So I feel
like this movie is going against that grain in the eighties,
which is very interesting, very interesting. But the Marines are
all for highre Yeah, so it's kind of, I don't know,
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very mixed signals. I hate the Marines, I'm so sorry,
not like as an organ well as an organization or
like an entity. I think there's like a lot of
respect and being a Marine, and there's like obviously a
lot of prestige, but y'all, if this is how you
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act for real and like a job, that's horrible. That's horrifying.
Especially when they did that thing where they were eating
lunch and they got the Android to do that knife thing.
That's that's a that's a salt, that's a salt. That
was really.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Scary and if anyone should be like following company like
HR Policies should be the android, right, Yeah, I mean
I think that's kind of part of like another theme
of this is just like there's this like arrogance and
this like I don't kind of like masculine arrogance of
like word tough enough that like it doesn't matter we
got They don't want to listen to Ripley or.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
That new boss of theirs that's never done anything in
his life.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Yeah, I mean, like nobody's listening to rip Here at
the beginning of the movie.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
They don't take her seriously.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
They don't believe her story. They want to like try
to hold her accountable for this expensive ship.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Well, they don't hold her accountable because they know they
were wrong, but they're like, girl, you don't have any proof.
Remember you weren't scientists and you weren't taking pictures or
documenting anything. And what happens in the second movie Homeboy
from the company, Burke calls up the planet and he's like, hey,
check out these coordinates, and some random ass person goes
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in and they don't have any equipment, they don't have
any guns. They obviously encounter the aliens and bring them
back to base, so they no lessons have been learned. Yea,
And they compromised a whole colony because they're like, go
check it out instead of saying like we're gonna go
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check it out, We're going to send our top guys.
And if they really wanted to extract I would I
would imagine they would want to do it safely, but
they don't. It's just very like, how do you say it?
Like shooting from the hip.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Yeah, I'm not clear how much of Burke's plan was
as intended, Like how much was he just like adapting
on the fly or was he expecting them to for
the aliens to take over the colony and then they
go there and like, I don't know how much of
this he was making up as he went.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Right, he probably didn't realize how much of a threat
they really were.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Yeah, I think that's part of it.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Yeah, And he's such a coward.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Was he always intending to like smuggle them back inside
of like Ripley?
Speaker 2 (23:39):
No, apparently not. He was happy with them in the
jar and just sneaking them across the border and she's like,
I ain't gonna let you. I wouldn't have said shit, Yeah,
I wouldn't have said shit. I would have been like
you do you but okay, yeah, let's just keep it
accounted for. And then she became a target.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
She's like, she showed her hand there.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Yeah. Wow, she looked really tough, being like, yeah, I'm
gonna call you out. I'm gonna let the FCC know
that you're bringing in aliens, illegal aliens. And then there
was a quip about illegal aliens with Sanchez or Rasquez
or whatever they decided to call the non Hispanic person.
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But it's very interesting that he's ready to smuggle goods
into another country for profit.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
Yeah, but he does see some sort of need to
bring Ripley on this mission and even has like he
kind of manipulates her situation where she's working a loading
job because she doesn't have her flight license anymore.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Right, she's just like a stock boy.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
She's still traumatized by her experience having nightmares, and.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
She's like, yeah, she's ultimately manipulated into a green to
go back to the sore so her trauma, but she's activated,
she's like not passive in that. So it's very interesting
to see her willingness to go back since she has
nothing left. You know in another world and her plan,
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it seems like, is eventually to destroy these aliens. So
it's crazy though, Like there, I think the alien design
in this was really good. I think they did a
really good job with But I think they might have
used the same shot sometimes for the closeups on the alien.
Did you notice did you notice that it was kind
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of very similar every time there was a close up
and the little mouth came out and they were like
showing their teeth, they were very similar. Maybe there might
have been some differences, but I didn't see them. So
it felt like every once in a while they used
the same shot of the close up of the of
the monster.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Or maybe they shot them all you know, like exact.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Yeah, different slightly different angles. Yeah, but the aliens I
don't know why, but they weren't as scary as the
first one. Maybe the fear of the unknown drove the
first one to such a high point that this one
it was more like theatrical. There were some jump scares,
but it wasn't like this build up of anticipation.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Well, yeah, the first one, like because they know nothing
about it and they don't really reveal like the full
alien till much later in the movie, whereas you know
this one, it takes some time for them to get there.
But after like one fake out when they find newt
like they pretty much find the aliens after that. So
on like a technical level, I think a lot of
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things looked better in this movie. On like an esthetic level,
I think the first movie still nailed it. Yeah, but
like even like the space shots, like it's been a
few years and I think, like we'd really figure out
how to we figured out how to shoot these models
they make these ships, Like you can see that from
like the first Star Wars movie to the second one.
It's like, oh, they nailed it. Now they know how
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to do this. So yeah, definitely a yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
The tech the there was there was definitely more like
computer graphics too, Like I'm thinking of that weird scanner
that they used to scan some of the interiors and
then some of the electricity surges looked kind of hokey still,
but they used graphic like camera editing or CGI. Yeah,
(27:35):
they used CGI, and I don't think they used any
CGI in the first one. And then you could tell
sometimes when they were in front of a blue screen.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Yeah, I think there was like some I mean, there's
definitely a lot of trickery going on with like perspectives
for the models and stuff. Sometimes it's clear that there
is probably a rear projection going on that you can tell.
With just like the it was really.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
So I was like, I don't know. And then I
also just felt like there was like forced like human
elements with the little girl and that Hicks guy that
felt really forced, like oh, well, you know, she's a woman,
so she's got to have maternal instincts, you know, like, okay, great,
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do we expect like a man to do the same
thing or are we okay if a man's like, oh whatever, kid.
It's just very interesting and I you know, maybe I'm
just really pushing against the movie because it's so masculine
and it's just like the one feminine trait that Ripley
shows is this maternal instinct. And I'm like, oh, you know,
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she could have been a strong woman without the kid.
But you know, it's interesting. I don't know. I just
I did like the kid. I felt like the kid
was strong.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Yeah, I like the kid and I like the but
there was just another element of something for Ripley to
do other than be facing off these alienses protecting the child.
But yeah, it's definitely hitting the motherhood theme very hard.
I think even with the as they developed, like the
life cycle, these aliens out a little bit more. And
how there's the queen mother and then the other ones
(29:20):
are like the workers. Yeah. Yeah, And like we said
in the extended cut, they revealed that Ripley has lost
her daughter and now she's filmed a replacements, like getting
very attached to her. Yeah, calling her mom at the
end was weird.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Forced is what I would say, forced, Mommy, shut up.
You don't know me. You don't even know my first name.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Right, Like, I get that they're close and they're very
bonded now, but that like nothing in their discussions had
to do with like family or like, I don't know,
like nothing seemed earned about that moment.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
I was my mom married my stepdad when I was
like thirteen years old. And maybe it's because I was thirteen,
but I never called that man dad or daddy. He
is my dad, but I don't call him dad. And
I don't know. Maybe if she would have been a
littler kid, like a littler kid, maybe I would have
(30:19):
bought it. But this little girl is what like seven
eight and she's obviously a survivor. She's tough. I really
like that she was like ready to scram She's like,
we gotta go, we gotta leave. I cannot sleep on
this bed. I am exposed. And I just I kind
of made it cheap, like their bond at the end there, mommy, fuck,
(30:43):
get away from me. And I bet she smelled the
whole time, and she like had her head next to
her face, and I was just like, little kids stink.
If they don't bathe, they stink. And she was living
basically in a trash compactor. I think it's a really
interesting that the actress never worked again too.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Yeah. I looked at that a little bit. She said
like the fame was difficult for her as a child.
I can't imagine not understanding whether people liked her or
liked her character.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Yeah, I mean, you see how many child actors struggle
with fame and access and like there's drug use and
I mean abuse, and so I'm kind of glad she
kind of got away from all of that.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
She's a teacher now and she still has her photo
of her and Scoorny Weaver what else. So we have
another android that we're very skeptical at first, had a
bad experience with the last one.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Yeah, that last one was weird. That guy was we erd,
And this one was sus too, because like when he
was like dissecting the hand the face, sucker, he was
like so interesting.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
He was really like one. Yeah, so I think that
was a good like misdirect with him.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Yeah, he was cool in the end. And then he
got fucking sliced in No, he got ripped in half.
That was so epic, and his white blood was all
over so gourdiny weaver. I would have been like, I
need extra pay for that. I don't know what what
is that white liquid? Do you think it's like milk
or like colored water or something.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Like like in real life?
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Yeah, in real life.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
I assume it's some sort of water mixture.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Yeah, something, But it was I would have been so
upset to be that wet that day. But yeah, so
they fuck uh So it's kind of a shit show.
The head marine guy doesn't know what he's doing, and
the other marine guys have bad AMMO and they can't
(32:58):
even shoot at things yep. And then they're trying to
find all these colonists and apparently all these colonists have
a chip inserted in them. This is going to be
our future, and that chip has a tracking device and
they're trying to figure it out. And then they find
that they're all in this one area and they're like, well,
(33:21):
let's go, let's go check it out.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Having a party without us, let's go.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Yeah, and before they go, they don't do any research.
They don't they don't do anything, and so that's what
gives them in the conundrum of having the wrong gammo.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Yeah, and this is where you start to realize that, like,
if people will just listen to Ripley, everything would go
a lot better. Yeah, just like the first movie.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Yeah, she's the sound of reason. And so they find
one of the colony, Well, they find the colonists encased
in this goo and then they see the husks of
the face suckers, and somehow they're not putting it together,
even though they should have watched the report that Ripley
(34:04):
did to explain to them what the life cycle of
one of these things is. Yeah, so nobody did their homework.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
They had report on a disc They told us that.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Yeah, so, and they had a lot of time. They
were all in the little sleepy chamber. They could have
taken a day off, gotten out of the sleepy chamber
and watched the fifteen minute video. So they're just like
kicking around the husks and just chilling.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
They didn't even let her finish explaining it in.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Her in her initials. Yeah, yeah, So when they were
meeting her, they were really undermining her. And then as
they were loading up, she's like, how can I help?
I feel like like like a bump on a log,
like what am I doing? And they're like, well, what
can you do? And I thought that was the perfect question.
They're like, She's like, I want to volunteer. Okay, what
(34:55):
can you do for us? And I love this? She's ready.
She's like, oh, I can drive one of those big things,
those fucking avatar robots. Yeah, and she like gets in it,
fucking messes around with the knobs and she's like where
do you want it? And that must have been an
(35:17):
iconic line because even the guys reacted to it, like
the characters. They were like laughing, They're like, oh shit,
she's for real. I think this establishes her as not
just a pretty face or like a nerd or you know,
like because she's a consultant or whatever, and they there's like,
(35:39):
she's not one of them, so this helps her kind
of them, They're they're warming up to her not a lot,
And I feel like it could have been done better
to like introduce her to the crew or something, or
show the barriers that she was facing more to feel integrated,
like more of her getting shut down stuff, maybe especially
(36:02):
by that that uh, the military guy, the sergeant or whatever.
If he would have like snapped at her a little
bit more like even like if he would have been like,
you need to shut up or something. He tried to
do it when they were but she like said, fuck you,
I'm gonna rescue these guys, and she got on and
started driving the cyber trucky truck. Yeah, that's but I
(36:27):
feel like they could have pushed him to be more demeaning,
you know, like really push. But I don't know if
they wanted to make him the bad guy, right.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Yeah, they just seem to one who make him.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Useless competent, Yeah, useless, So I guess that that's all right.
But yeah, she drives the cyber truck and they figure
out that these aliens are no joke.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
I do like how they they set up the loader thing,
the forkliff machine that she drives.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
I like how they were able to establish that so
we could get that final act of the.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Yeah, before she comes back with that. Yeah she had guns. Yeah,
but it did have a little flamethrower. Was that to
light cigars or something?
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Because it's not like a military thing, it's it's a
load thing.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Yeah, okay, a knife though to open boxes or something.
I don't know, but yeah, that was a good setup.
They introduced a new machine and they introduced that she
could manage to drive it or whatever. But it was
also giving Transformers And I'm like, James Cameron, I see
your future. That's not him whatever, it's the same guy
(37:37):
to me. It's all the same guy who is the Transformers.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
Guy, Michael bay Ah. But he does have those things
in Avatar.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Yeah. Oh is that James Cameron?
Speaker 3 (37:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Oh okay, well still that is in his future. He
really likes those robot things. Do you think do we
have things like that now and in a practical use
in real life? I feel like most of those types
of things are automated the most, Like, I mean, we
have forklifts. I don't think if it's ever going to
(38:09):
advance from forklift. I feel like in the loading and
unloading field, they've already made the perfect machine with the forklift,
and it feels like a forklift is probably a little
safer in terms of like putting your body like so
close to the load.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
Yeah. I'm just trying to think of, like what's what's
the practical use of having it have legs that you
walk with as.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Most of wheels, unless it's like, let's think of it
in an exterior not plane surif. Yeah, that would be
the only application that I could see. And those little
leggies didn't look like they would be good for gripping
the floor. They need to be like built like like
a hiking boot, you know, with tread and stuff, and
(38:55):
that thing looks slick.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Yeah, it just seems really dangerous because like a small
move of your arm waves this big metal thing, right.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
And there were people walking in the front.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
I know when they first showed it, the guys like
backing up and then like people aren't giving him.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Enough room, no, And then the one guy passed in
front of the forks. I was like, you never do
that usually. Like there's like a beeping sound, there's like noises, lights,
something to alert you to get out of the way,
because that's a liability issue for the company that's given
(39:29):
you permission to operate this machine. So for as like
money conscious as this company claims to be, apparently in
the future there is no workmen's camp, And I feel
like Sigourney Weaver would have been due some workmen's camp
or at least a retirement or some sort of severance
(39:52):
for her fifty two years of working, right or fifty seven?
I'm sorry, that's what I would have been, like, Hey,
so I've been with this company for fifty seven years.
If anything, I have seniority over all of y'all.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
Also, how's my four h one k doing?
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Right, it's gotta be great. But her kid probably got
it when they didn't find her after a couple of years, right,
probably damn uh oh. Yeah. So Sigourney Weaver like rolls
up in the cyber truck and scoops them up, and
they lose a couple of them in the fight, and
(40:33):
one of them gets acid blown on their face and
they like he's a goner, let him go. And Vazquez
is like, now, now.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
Yeah, these marines got their asses kicked and really like
knocked down there.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
They got a reality check.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
They're military, like masculine arrogance that they have had the
first part of the movie.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
Yeah, all of that cockiness and wit is gone. They're
running their treating with their tails between their legs.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
And even though Michael Bain's character Hicks is in charge now,
like I feel like Ripley's pretty much calling the shots.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
Yeah, he just repeats what she says. It's a puppet.
It's it's definitely got a lot of explosions and gunfighting
and the aliens explode, and it's like very action forward.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
Yeah, just like a war movie than it is this
Haunted House movie. The first one was.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
Yeah, I'm just like sometimes I'm having a hard time
keeping up with all of the action. It's just like
I get like a whiplash. It's like it's like, oh
now we're over here. Oh now we got to do this.
Now we got to do that. Now we're welding the
door shut. Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
And honestly, like once some of those marines died, it
was kind of a relief because I'm like, Okay, now
there's few enough of them that I can kind of
keep track of who's the character here. We've Vesquez and Henderson.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
He was a cry baby bitch.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
Yeah. Is that his name, Hudson, Hudson, Hudson, Yeah, him
being just like, what do we do now, man, we're.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
All goners, We're all goners. How did he pass like
a fortitude test to be in the Marines?
Speaker 3 (42:18):
I don't know because I keep boasting about how like
they're like the best of the best, and like these
guys can handle anything, and like he can't handle much
at all.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Right, one ounce of pressure and he's over it. He's
like on the floor on his back with his feet up, surrendered.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
So then, yeah, Burke is evil.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
Burke is evil, and he gets his just desserts. But
he really tries to pretend he's the good guy for
the longest time. Yeah, and then uh, he is revealed
to be a company man at heart.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
Yep. There is monetary value.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
Here, right, and that is you know, human capital is
less than capital capital. So he was trying to sneak.
I can't believe he was willing to sacrifice Ripley and
the girl like, what a bastard. And I'm I thought
she brought the gun in with her and put it
on the bed. Nope, So that was her bad. Yeah,
(43:15):
so because if she had a gun, she would have
killed that motherfucking thing.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
Yeah. Remember to bring your guns to bed with you
guys always.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
But they so like there's they're like numbers are dwindling.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
Yeah. I think that might have been one of the
more like tense scenes in the movie, is them like
trapped in that room, right, knowing that those face suckers
are in there, right.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
Yeah. I think another good tense point was when they
finally get through the door where Burke was and they're
in between spaces and the alien is like trying to
knock down the door and the little girl rescues them
by like redirecting them through the air ducts.
Speaker 3 (43:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
So I don't know why she wasn't in charge sooner.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
Yeah, she does know like the lay of the land.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
Yeah. I feel like if they would have just hoarded
up where she was the whole time, they would have
been safe.
Speaker 3 (44:10):
Yeah, they could have stayed for the seventeen days or whatever.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
Yeah. But then the android's like, well there is another alternative.
Twenty years later, he's like, oh, yeah, I can remotely
navigate this ship from base. Why didn't you say that
in the beginning, you bitch? Why did why was that plan?
See what the hell it took their atmosphere conductor like
(44:40):
failing for him to be like, oh, yeah, I can
do this. I can crawl through this little poo you
know tube and you know, redirect and navigate the ship.
Why didn't you say that initially as soon as that
first ship exploded.
Speaker 3 (44:57):
Bitch, bitch? Maybe he was evil after all, he was.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
Just trying to save the specimens.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
It's always the specimens with those guys.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
Yeah, it was freaky to see them too. I think
they did a good job at like showing how gross
they were and how they worked those face suckers with
their dicks for mouths. I wouldn't scream in front of
one of those. I shut my mouth with my teeth clenched.
Speaker 3 (45:26):
What else I mean, the whole like end of the
movies just action packed. They lose they got to.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
Oh yeah, they lose her in the water, and I
thought that was the end of her. I was ready
to say goodbye, so long, farewell.
Speaker 3 (45:41):
No, Ripley says like they're going to keep her alive to.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
Yeah, that's disgusting. But she was right and I was wrong,
and I'm really sorry for that. But you know. I
was ready to just be like, oh, well, that's the
last of that little girl. And so when she went back,
I was like, why is she going back? I was
so confused. It's like they're gone, They're done. Why is
(46:08):
the movie not over? But little did I know that
in the third act she had to rescue a little
girl and murder the mother. And oh my god, what
a mother it was. I don't know if you watch Futurama,
but you know how they make that drink surge, that's
what it gave. It was giving goo, big booty judy goo.
(46:31):
And I think it looked great, like in terms of
like alien reproduction, So they must reproduce asexually, right, because
we didn't see anybody like impregnating her or inseminating the
eggs or anything like that. So this is a society
of drones and bees.
Speaker 3 (46:51):
And I mean, I don't know the males that are
breeding with the queen.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
Oh you think so the model children, and that.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
Would be the case, right, probably.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
Yeah, bees or i ants or whatever. But it was
I thought that the visuals are really good, disgusting but good, right,
I'm very believable. But then when she starts lighting all
the things on fire. That thing rips itself from its
body and like chases her with her little claws, and
(47:24):
I'm like, I don't believe that.
Speaker 3 (47:26):
Yeah. Well, at first I was like, well, the queen's
got that big, you know, eggsack attached to her. It's
not gonna be a threat. You can't move around.
Speaker 2 (47:34):
But then she's like, oh, actually, I just zip this
off and my pants become short. So she's like she
is giving Kunti with their little movements. She's like I
could see her in like little heel stilettos running around
waiting for the elevator. Oh my god, this queen is iconic.
(47:59):
And she finds herself on their evacuation and in the
big ship and Ripley does it again. She's like out
the airlock.
Speaker 3 (48:08):
Yep, the freaking Cylon.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
And I wish they would do more with the space
aspect of it. When it's like floating out in space
like a little bit of like freezing or something.
Speaker 3 (48:25):
I just want to see what happens.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
I want to see an accurate depiction of what happens
when you're exposed to space. I think that would have
been cool, Or if she would have exploded, that would
have been cool too, but like a freeze. I think
you freeze in space because it's so cold. I don't know,
maybe it's not. I don't know about space. But Ripley's strong.
And her shoe, she lost her shoe. Those shoes were
(48:50):
so stylish, they were very eighties.
Speaker 3 (48:52):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (48:53):
And then they finally get that little girl cleaned up,
and she looks so different. She needed a.
Speaker 3 (48:57):
Bath so bad. Yeah, bath before bedtime for however many years.
Speaker 2 (49:03):
Yeah, we'll see how long the next one. Yeah, the
next one's in ten years, so we'll see how long
their staces is or if that little well, the little
girl won't be in the sequel because she's quite acting.
Speaker 3 (49:15):
True. True, I guess I get that away.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
Yeah, spoilers.
Speaker 3 (49:19):
Yeah, I don't see anything else you need to cover
talked about We talked about it all fatherhood and masculinity
and war and trauma and corporate greed.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
And then the representation of queerness and brown face.
Speaker 3 (49:32):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
It would have been so iconic if they would have
just made a queer character who wasn't putting on Browie's.
I don't know, Well, it's not my movie. I didn't write.
Speaker 3 (49:41):
It wasn't mine either. I wasn't alive, but.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
Apparently it's a critically acclaimed film with lots of tropes
that have been present in many other films. So and
it's one of the most successful sequels, which kay.
Speaker 3 (49:57):
Yeah, if you look at Rotten Tomatoes, Alien ninety three
Aliens ninety four percent.
Speaker 2 (50:03):
Wow, I feel like this movie was made for men though,
even though it's got a strong female character, I just I.
Speaker 3 (50:10):
Don't know, it has that vibe. It feels like a
Rambo Terminator Diehard type.
Speaker 2 (50:16):
Yeah, it's very masculine, very male, and not that women
can't be attracted to that, but it just doesn't speak
to the female experience in a way that feels authentic.
And I mean a man wrote it, so it.
Speaker 3 (50:31):
Won't be You want to go to the next section.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
What is it?
Speaker 3 (50:34):
The astral Queen.
Speaker 1 (50:38):
Astral queen who was the standout character in the movie?
Speaker 2 (50:43):
Stand out character, I'm gonna give it to.
Speaker 3 (50:45):
Newt Oh really.
Speaker 2 (50:46):
Yeah. She was like, I don't feel safe around these people.
I don't I don't feel safe.
Speaker 3 (50:51):
Yeah, Like, don't you think you'll be safer with us?
And she's like, no, no, I.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
Didn't have a gun. I didn't have any of the
equip you have, and I survived for longer than seventeen
days here by myself.
Speaker 3 (51:04):
I've got snacks in my room. I'm good.
Speaker 2 (51:06):
Yeah, I got snacks, jewelry and pictures. What do I need?
What do I need? And she did it all without
a comb? So who do you give it to?
Speaker 3 (51:15):
I think I'm going to go with Ripley again.
Speaker 2 (51:17):
It's the main character energy.
Speaker 3 (51:19):
Yeah. I mean, she's the one that came in with
the knowledge and no one listened to her, and then
she had to save the day multiple times and yeah,
so it's all.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
In a day's work for a woman. Jason, It's typical Wednesday.
Nobody listens to you until they're fucking in trouble and
then they're like, oh, well, you get me out of
this bind because they don't listen. They don't listen, but
they'll hear that. They're definitely gonna hear I told you.
Speaker 3 (51:43):
So they will listen to the good ideas and then
repeat them louder and.
Speaker 2 (51:48):
Take credit for this. Just like, uh, when she's like
we should get out of here and nuke the planet
and the guy did that, Hicks repeated, It's like, yeah,
that's what we're going to do.
Speaker 3 (52:01):
All right, well, that wraps up the main part of
our episode. We will go to the spoiler section. The
next episode coming out will be on Alien three.
Speaker 2 (52:11):
Or Alien cubed.
Speaker 3 (52:12):
Yeah, alien cubed. Not sure why stylized like that, but
I think we're again gonna watch the extended version, which
is called the Assembly Cut.
Speaker 2 (52:23):
Who directed this one, same guy? No, thank god, no
offense to James Cameron, but I don't think i'm his
target audience. Who was the first one? Ridley Scott? Yes, okay,
I like Ridley Scott. I can respect his approach.
Speaker 3 (52:39):
Oh, David Fincher did Alien three, he has he did
not enjoy his experience on that. We'll talk about a
next episode.
Speaker 2 (52:46):
Doesn't sound like Cameron enjoyed this one either, with the
tensions with him and the crew.
Speaker 3 (52:51):
Ridley Scott does come back to do Prometheus and Alien Covenant.
But yeah, for they do different directors every movie for
the most part. So yeah, Alien three Assembly Cut. If
you can find that version, it's generally considered to be
a lot better than Alien three theatrical. Oh so we're
going to go into the spoiler section, and I think
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I'm definitely going to spoil something from Alien three. So
if you don't want that, then now is your time
to skidatle get out the airlock. Let's put our living
stereo stylus in this group.
Speaker 1 (53:25):
Brace for impact. Spoilers ahead. If you haven't seen the
whole film series, now is the time to say goodbye.
Remember you can contact us at Spacingoutpod at gmail dot com,
find us on social media, share your thoughts and be
a part of the discussion. Spoilers in five four three
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two one.
Speaker 2 (53:49):
So what's the spoiler?
Speaker 3 (53:51):
Well, in Alien three there's.
Speaker 2 (53:52):
Another alien, like a different type.
Speaker 3 (53:55):
I don't remember. Actually, what I wanted to spoil was
so it picks up right after this movie. They I
think they crash land on a planet and it's like
a prison planet. And Newton, the other guy, die right
at the beginning in the crash. Great, so this whole
movie where it's about like saving Newt, the whole end
of the movie is about the rescue of her, only
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to be undercut by the next movie.
Speaker 2 (54:18):
She dies. Yeah, and they're in a prison planet.
Speaker 3 (54:20):
Yes, Okay, don't remember many details beyond that.
Speaker 2 (54:24):
And so Gourney's still in it then, yes, she's locked in.
Speaker 3 (54:28):
Yeah. I think that is like the biggest issue that
everyone had with the movie that new wasn't in it. Well,
just that they discarded her like that and really like
there's just kind of a slap in the face of
this movie.
Speaker 2 (54:39):
But the little girl didn't want to act.
Speaker 3 (54:41):
They carote a story that didn't pick up right where
this ended.
Speaker 2 (54:45):
Right, Yeah, that would have been nicer. So Gourney could
have been.
Speaker 3 (54:49):
Her job back on the loading dock. Yeah, or she
probably gets fired from that job because they don't believe her. Again, Yeah, that.
Speaker 2 (54:56):
Would have been cool. But yeah, no, okay, so bad
writing already off the bat, Alien thirty. Why didn't they
just hire James krameron to do the screenplay again?
Speaker 3 (55:07):
I don't know. Probably because he was doing Terminator two.
Probably had a terrible time on this movie in order
to go back.
Speaker 2 (55:14):
But he didn't have to direct it. He could have
just written the screenplay, true, because he did a good job,
a good enough job. All right, Okay, Well, we'll see
you next week with Terminator cubed No No Alien three
point zero Alien three.
Speaker 3 (55:30):
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Speaker 1 (55:37):
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Welcome to Spacing Out with BB and Jason this week
covering the nineteen eighty six film Aliens.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Welcome to spacing Now.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
I'm BB and I'm Jason, and we are discussing the
Alien franchise one movie at a time, and at the
moment of this recording, the second movie is available to
stream on Max and this podcast is being released on
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BB and Jason, where we have covered things like Battlestar Galactica,
Star Trek and Our Flag Means Death over one hundred episodes,
plus many more things to come. So we are only
focusing on Aliens, the second film today, so if there's
any discussion of other entries into the franchise, we will
save that for a spoiler section at the end of
the podcast, So if you haven't seen the other movies yet,
we will shield you from the spoilers. And although our
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coverage of Alien Romula came out last week, we were
actually recording this prior to having seen Romulus, so we
definitely won't be speaking about that film at all, but
we are talking about Aliens, which premiered on July eighteenth,
nineteen eighty six, was written by James Cameron, story by
James Cameron, David Guyler, and Walter Hill, and directed by
James Cameron.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
James Cameron did a lot in this movie.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Yes, it felt very James Cameron. Yes, it did. And
BB and I actually watched the extended cut. It was
about twenty minutes longer. So there's some extra footage in there,
and I'll kind of go through what the difference was
here in a moment.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Oh my god, that's why it was so long.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Yes, okay, But for a plot summary, fifty seven years
after Ellen Ripley had a close encounter with the reptilian
alien Creacher from the first movie, she is called back,
this time to help a group of highly trained Colonial
Marines fight off against the sinister extraterrestrials, But this time
the aliens have taken over a space colony on the
moon LV four two six. When the Colonial Marines are
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called upon to search the deserted space colony, they later
find out that they are up against more than what
they had bargained for. Using specially modified machine guns and
enough firepower. It's either fight or die is the most
Space Marines battle against the aliens. As the Marines do
their best to defend themselves, Ripley must attempt to predict
a young girl who is a sole survivor of the
nearly wiped out space colony.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
And also kind of a replet replacement for her lost
daughter that we never found out about in the previous movie.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Yeah, and I'll mention that in just the moment, but
that's the mention of her daughter was an extended cut thing.
But first, let's go through the vibe check.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Vibe check. Did we like the movie overall? How does
it stand the test of time?
Speaker 2 (02:43):
So I didn't care for this movie as much as
I cared for the first one. It's not my favorite
so far out of the two ife seen. The graphics
were okay, but that first movie, the it was just
a maze. I e the set and like they didn't.
It just felt this movie felt like hokey pokey compared
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to the elevated craftsmanship of the first one. Somehow, like
this one felt like flashy and more eighties, and I
think it lost some of that original artisanal vibe.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Yeah, it's definitely like a more like polished movie.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
It's definitely also more mainstream.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Yeah, and it's a different genre really, Like this is
an action movie.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yeah, it was really Yeah, it was super action. And
this didn't feel like it was universal like the last one.
Like the last one really focused on the characters and
this fear of the unknown and and you know, like
having these people kind of like figuring out, like how
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are we going to get out of here? What are
we going to do? This one it's just like a
bunch of marines who were loud and gross and just
like really, I don't think I connected with any one
of them. None of the characters were sympathetic or were
endearing or real. They were really hollow and it was
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just unfortunate.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Yeah, that's fair. It's a definitely a different beast than
the first one.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
I think, you know who had more character? The fucking
uh what's it called, the flamethrower? The flame thrower had
more range than some of these characters. I don't know.
It just it wasn't for me. It could be very
clearly not for me. So I'm not my cup of tea,
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But I'm glad I experienced it, and I can say
that I've seen it, and it's definitely probably like part
of like film history for James Cameron. Like I don't
know how many other budget films he'd made before this one,
but this one definitely shows his style and his like,
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I mean, he was on he was on display for sure.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Yeah. It's really his first like big major buster. He
had The Terminator right before this, right that was a
low budget.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Thing that was a big hit, so they gave him
a lot of money.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Yeah, I mean I like it. It did feel I
mean maybe it was an extended cut, but it felt
like a long movie today, But I like it. I
like it as like a pair with the first movie,
knowing that it's it's not the same thing as Alien.
It's a very different movie and they're like two different
sides to this. I don't know franchise story here, Yeah,
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but I think I do prefer the way that first
movie just felt more like intimate and like the ri
And Yeah, because there's a lot of world building in
this They really expand to show you more of like
their society and.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
We learn more about that company and they're interworkings and
the military, like everything is everything is bigger in this movie.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Yeah, and there is something about it just being this
isolated spaceship in the first movie that.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
It really like hits a nerve. Yeah, but yeah, I
felt like this one wasn't relatable at all. So I mean,
do you think it stands the test of time. I
think it does for what it is. Even though I'm
not like a fan of it, I can see how
it can still be enjoyed by today's audience.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Yeah, I think it's still like a really good action movie.
It's got a really good like eighties style action movie.
And maybe the casting doesn't hold up in the test
of time since there is some brown face going on.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Yeah, dude, I was looking it up, and I've heard
rumblings about, you know, because I it shows up like
yellow face, and you know, people specifically, usually white people
putting on a costume to resemble a different race or
ethnicity and vast guess was it.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Yeah, that actor.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Was not of Hispanic descent. Like if you google them,
they're going to be a Jewish woman. So they're like, oh,
you're vaguely ethnic. We'll just put a little bronzer on
you and you'll be all right. And it's really sad
because I feel like if they would have hired like
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a Latina or a Hispanic person and made the same character.
It would have been really powerful to see this kind
of queer representation on screen because she's very butch, she's
very masked, and she's like, you know, calling Sigurdney Weaver Bonita.
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So it's just like very queer coded, and it's just
like it degrades itself by being a caricature of somebody
instead of actually being somebody of that race or ethnicity.
So it's just really unfortunate because there was like a
they were they were like testing stereotypes and stuff like
they were they were breaking some barriers, but they were
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also using them in a way that was like problematic.
So I'm just like one for one way, like it's
like cool queer representation. On the other hand, it's a
person pretending to be Hispanic. So it's just like, yeah,
mixed feelings there. Yeah, it's super mixed. Because if if
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that character, like if I didn't know anything about that
character as it as like in real life, like if
I thought they were Latino or Latina or whatever, I
would have been really excited. But like you can kind
of tell, it's just very like it's laid on really
thick with the accent and the the like Spanish that's
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all thrown in there. And you could argue that, you know,
we're in a post race society or whatever, but it
was made in the eighties, so there was still definitely
race when you look at the context of the writing.
So I think Castine did a really poor job in
that they could have just had a Jewish woman play,
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like just be a Jewish woman too.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Yeah, Like if that's who they wanted to cast I
don't think they would have to change that much in
the script.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
No, she could have. She could have used Yiddish.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Do I feel like they just wanted like a woman
that was like tough and had that build.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Yeah, and she she met like the criteria for a
lot of the like characteristics of that character. But like
you know, it just felt inauthentic in so many ways.
And I feel bad for that actress because now that's
like part of her permanent record, Like she will forever
be known as the person who did brown face and
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alien and it sucks because that rule. I'm sure it
was like a big deal for her. But now with
our quote unquote PC culture, she's she's not like I
don't no, I don't know when, I don't know. It
just felt weird, felt weird. I didn't like it the character.
It made me really like disappointed in the character, and
(10:10):
I couldn't relate to her in so many ways. Do
you want to talk about trivia? I just kind of
started doing deep down. I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
We were talking about how it doesn't hold up. So yeah, relevant, Yeah,
let's do trivia trivia time?
Speaker 1 (10:27):
What facts could we uncover for Aliens?
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Discussions of a sequel to Alien began immediately, but twentieth
Century Fox was not initially interested, leaving the first film
success to be a fluke and the overall box office
decline of horror films. James Cameron was asked to write
a script treatment in nineteen eighty three after his script
for The Terminator was viewed by executives and they originally
declined to let him direct the movie until the Terminator
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release and was a surprise hit, changing their minds.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
The studios just keep getting surprised.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Yeah, they're like, oh no.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
It's a fluke.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
Oh no, They're always like this will never work, and
then it does work, Like, well that was a one
time thing. Yeah, Sigourney Weaver initially refused offers to return
as she was concerned that the movie was being made
exclusively for financial reasons.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
What I wonder what changed her? Yeah, I wonder what
changed her mind. Maybe she read the script or something.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Yeah. Probably. Carrie Hn, who played Newt, did not continue
acting after this film, but has remained friends with Sigourney
Weaver That Little Girl yep So. Tensions were very high
during production. Cameron, a Canadian, had little familiarity with the
British film industry to traditions such as tea breaks which
interrupted production daily. This was shot in London, Oh and
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the overall relaxed attitude of the crew compared to American
crews frustrated him.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
He's Canadian. Why is he so americanized?
Speaker 3 (11:47):
He's he's been working in the American film industry. Canadian
film industry is pretty small. The crew were also dismissive,
dismissive of him for his relative inexperience as a director,
and didn't like his hands on approach to this when
they had a unionized crew, and the situation deteriorated throughout
production until the crew walked out in the middle of
the day. Good for them, negotiations brought most of the
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crew back, with a crew agreeing to support Cameron him
agreeing to support their scheduled working hours.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Why wouldn't be What a bitch? What an eighties bitch
to be like, you all can't have a tea break?
I would love you know what, Almost every country has
some sort of additional break, Like in Mexico, there's this
thing called Siesta, and I think it happens in Spain too,
where between the hours of two and four the country
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shuts down and people go home and take a little
nap and then they come back to work and they
stay open a little longer. Could you imagine a two
hour break in your day for a little nap.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Yeah, now I just have to zone out for a
couple hours a day.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Yeah, but a tea break, I would I'm into that.
I would love a spot of tea. Sorry y'all, that
was my British accent.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Yeah, He's just like, all right, guys, we've got limited
time here, so we're going to focus and buckle down.
And what do you guys doing drinking tea right now?
Speaker 2 (13:08):
What is that a biscuit? I wonder if he's came
back to London and was like learned his lesson or
Britain or wherever.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Despite the delays, the film was finished on time and
on budget. The film once again makes extensive use of
miniatures for filming. Despite the hordes of aliens in the film,
only twelve suits were made.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
That's still way more than the last one. I think
they only had two. Yeah, and the suits were way
better in this one.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
You know a lot of times when they're implying like
lots of aliens, it's like they're on the other side
of the door and they're just looking at the numbers
on the screen.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Yeah, Or there's like that screen with all the little
lights on it.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Yeah. Improvisation was allowed on a lot of scenes and
brought us some of the iconic lines such as game over, Man,
game over?
Speaker 2 (13:52):
What's another scene line?
Speaker 3 (13:54):
I think a lot of Bill Paxston was what else
is he?
Speaker 2 (13:58):
And his name sounds so f familiar.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
He's in the original Twister?
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Oh is he one of the main guys in Twister?
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Dang, that movie just came out again, huh so.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
An extended cut of the film was released on laser
disc in nineteen ninety one, and then later on other formats.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Laser disc.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Yeah. The theatrical cut is one hundred and thirty seven minutes.
The extended cut is one hundred and fifty seven minutes long,
so twenty minutes longer. James Cameron has stated that the
extended cut is his preferred version, so some of the
differences between the versions. Obviously, the extended cut has some
extra scenes in it. So there's a scene revealing that
Ripley's daughter has passed away at age sixty six.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
With a horribly pixelated picture of an old woman.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Yeah, and that old woman was actually Sigourney Weaver's mother.
The court hearing scene is extended with Ripley snapping and
throwing the papers, and then there's a scene with Newt's
family prospecting the moon before being attacked, so her family
is not in the theatrical cut. There's a series of
long tracking shots establishing the interior of the empty sou Lake.
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Zu Letco ship their ship that they go out there on,
similar to the opening of the first film, and then
see there's several separate sequences involving the survivor's use of
automated robot sentry guns to defend the colony from the xenomorphs.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
I hate that name. I like that they call them bugs.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Yeah, they were really like emphasizing that over like I
don't know, they're more like reptilian sometimes, but they I.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Mean the hive queen thing.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Yeah, they really dove into that analogy. There's a scene
where Ripley and Hicks reveal their first names to each
other and it kind of hints at a more romantic interest.
Then several other scenes are extended or use alternate takes
or alternate dialogue. The budget was eighteen point five million,
and the box office revenue was somewhere between one hundred
and thirty one and one hundred and eighty three million.
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Holy crap, another big fluke.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
That was random. They didn't think that would happen.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Critical response to the film at the time was generally positive,
and over time the critical assessment of the film has
grown to be seen as one of the greatest science
fiction films of all time and one of the greatest
sequels of all time.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Really yeah, wow, you can tell that. I'm very surprised by.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
That, So I think you're in the minority of not
being that into it.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Aliens has had an enduring influence on filmmaking, being cited
by filmmakers and elements of it being repeated in other films.
The film also elevated Ellen Ripley to be seen as
a postfeminist icon and among the greatest action heroes.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Yeah, I could see that.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Yeah, she's definitely more more of an active hero in this.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
She has agency, which a lot of when you think
of like science fiction and horror, the female protagonist is
usually not in charge of their destiny.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Yeah, she kind of. She comes back in this one,
and she's like more on the offensive and she's a
tougher and more like Resilien. Yeaheah. She's kind of like
Sarah Connor and The Terminator where she comes back in
the second movie as a badass.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
So this is James Cameron's calling card pretty much.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
The film received Academy Awards for Best Sound Effects and
Best Visual Effects, and Sigourney Weaver got a nomination for
Best Actress, which was the first given for a science
fiction film at a time when the genre was given
little respect. The film also won several other accolades, including
eight Saturn Awards and a Hugo Award for Best Dramatic Presentation,
and the success led to immediate discussions of a sequel,
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which resulted in nineteen ninety two's Alien three.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
So one for each a decade.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Huh yep, Deep Space Dive. Let's break down some of
our thoughts on the film. You can share your thoughts
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your comments on an upcoming episode.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
All this time around, Sigourney Weaver got top billing, yes, queen, And.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
I hope she got her coins too.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
I'm sure she did.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
I hope she did. You never know with American filmmaking industry.
Oh but they shot and London, so maybe it's a
little bit different.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Yeah, but I think she had become a much bigger
star by this point.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Yeah, good for her.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
So we pick up with her being rescued from her ship.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Right Saint Poe's hand by the heart, Kitty on the lap,
very angelic. Apparently she's been in outer space for fifty
two years, fifty seven fifty seven years.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
And I guess when you're in that cryo sleep.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
You don't ate iogenically frozen, your hair doesn't grow nothing,
You're not even her nails. Yeah, she didn't have like
I mean, it's only been what like five years since
the last movie.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
It's been seven.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Seven, so she aged pretty well. She's not as young
as she used to be, but she looks good and
I think she still got it. And God, wouldn't it
be awful if the first person you met when like
you woke up was like a company representative. Right, Oh,
that's awful. Where's your family? I guess she didn't have
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any living relatives.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
I guess not when we only mentioned her daughter, which
is an extended cut thing.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
But yeah, that's awful. I hate this company. I hate
this company so much. It's like this idea of profits
over people is still a through line from the last movie.
And I feel like the guy who plays the company guy,
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I don't know his name, Burke? Is it Burke? Yeah, Burke?
He sucks. He's the perfect guy. He looks like an
eighties sleeve bag. Yeah, Like, I wouldn't trust that man
with anything. And if he said, oh, like, don't worry
about it. We're definitely going to kill these aliens that
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are worth millions of dollars to my company.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Yeah, Like, corporate greed is definitely like a theme in
these two movies. Yeah, I kind of like that.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
It's very interesting though, because like in the eighties, corporate
greed is almost romanticized and like it's like something that
a lot of people aspire to think about that movie
Wall Street where they say greed is good, or even
like the movie American Psycho with Christian Bale, where you know,
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it's these affluent white men kind of climbing the corporate
ladder and doing their best job to make money for
corporations and be active participants in capitalism. So I feel
like this movie is going against that grain in the eighties,
which is very interesting, very interesting. But the Marines are
all for highre Yeah, so it's kind of, I don't know,
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very mixed signals. I hate the Marines, I'm so sorry,
not like as an organ well as an organization or
like an entity. I think there's like a lot of
respect and being a Marine, and there's like obviously a
lot of prestige, but y'all, if this is how you
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act for real and like a job, that's horrible. That's horrifying.
Especially when they did that thing where they were eating
lunch and they got the Android to do that knife thing.
That's that's a that's a salt, that's a salt. That
was really.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Scary and if anyone should be like following company like
HR Policies should be the android, right, Yeah, I mean
I think that's kind of part of like another theme
of this is just like there's this like arrogance and
this like I don't kind of like masculine arrogance of
like word tough enough that like it doesn't matter we
got They don't want to listen to Ripley or.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
That new boss of theirs that's never done anything in
his life.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Yeah, I mean, like nobody's listening to rip Here at
the beginning of the movie.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
They don't take her seriously.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
They don't believe her story. They want to like try
to hold her accountable for this expensive ship.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Well, they don't hold her accountable because they know they
were wrong, but they're like, girl, you don't have any proof.
Remember you weren't scientists and you weren't taking pictures or
documenting anything. And what happens in the second movie Homeboy
from the company, Burke calls up the planet and he's like, hey,
check out these coordinates, and some random ass person goes
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in and they don't have any equipment, they don't have
any guns. They obviously encounter the aliens and bring them
back to base, so they no lessons have been learned. Yea,
And they compromised a whole colony because they're like, go
check it out instead of saying like we're gonna go
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check it out, We're going to send our top guys.
And if they really wanted to extract I would I
would imagine they would want to do it safely, but
they don't. It's just very like, how do you say it?
Like shooting from the hip.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Yeah, I'm not clear how much of Burke's plan was
as intended, Like how much was he just like adapting
on the fly or was he expecting them to for
the aliens to take over the colony and then they
go there and like, I don't know how much of
this he was making up as he went.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Right, he probably didn't realize how much of a threat
they really were.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Yeah, I think that's part of it.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Yeah, And he's such a coward.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Was he always intending to like smuggle them back inside
of like Ripley?
Speaker 2 (23:39):
No, apparently not. He was happy with them in the
jar and just sneaking them across the border and she's like,
I ain't gonna let you. I wouldn't have said shit, Yeah,
I wouldn't have said shit. I would have been like
you do you but okay, yeah, let's just keep it
accounted for. And then she became a target.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
She's like, she showed her hand there.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Yeah. Wow, she looked really tough, being like, yeah, I'm
gonna call you out. I'm gonna let the FCC know
that you're bringing in aliens, illegal aliens. And then there
was a quip about illegal aliens with Sanchez or Rasquez
or whatever they decided to call the non Hispanic person.
(24:24):
But it's very interesting that he's ready to smuggle goods
into another country for profit.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
Yeah, but he does see some sort of need to
bring Ripley on this mission and even has like he
kind of manipulates her situation where she's working a loading
job because she doesn't have her flight license anymore.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Right, she's just like a stock boy.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
She's still traumatized by her experience having nightmares, and.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
She's like, yeah, she's ultimately manipulated into a green to
go back to the sore so her trauma, but she's activated,
she's like not passive in that. So it's very interesting
to see her willingness to go back since she has
nothing left. You know in another world and her plan,
(25:18):
it seems like, is eventually to destroy these aliens. So
it's crazy though, Like there, I think the alien design
in this was really good. I think they did a
really good job with But I think they might have
used the same shot sometimes for the closeups on the alien.
Did you notice did you notice that it was kind
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of very similar every time there was a close up
and the little mouth came out and they were like
showing their teeth, they were very similar. Maybe there might
have been some differences, but I didn't see them. So
it felt like every once in a while they used
the same shot of the close up of the of
the monster.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Or maybe they shot them all you know, like exact.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Yeah, different slightly different angles. Yeah, but the aliens I
don't know why, but they weren't as scary as the
first one. Maybe the fear of the unknown drove the
first one to such a high point that this one
it was more like theatrical. There were some jump scares,
but it wasn't like this build up of anticipation.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Well, yeah, the first one, like because they know nothing
about it and they don't really reveal like the full
alien till much later in the movie, whereas you know
this one, it takes some time for them to get there.
But after like one fake out when they find newt
like they pretty much find the aliens after that. So
on like a technical level, I think a lot of
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things looked better in this movie. On like an esthetic level,
I think the first movie still nailed it. Yeah, but
like even like the space shots, like it's been a
few years and I think, like we'd really figure out
how to we figured out how to shoot these models
they make these ships, Like you can see that from
like the first Star Wars movie to the second one.
It's like, oh, they nailed it. Now they know how
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to do this. So yeah, definitely a yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
The tech the there was there was definitely more like
computer graphics too, Like I'm thinking of that weird scanner
that they used to scan some of the interiors and
then some of the electricity surges looked kind of hokey still,
but they used graphic like camera editing or CGI. Yeah,
(27:35):
they used CGI, and I don't think they used any
CGI in the first one. And then you could tell
sometimes when they were in front of a blue screen.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Yeah, I think there was like some I mean, there's
definitely a lot of trickery going on with like perspectives
for the models and stuff. Sometimes it's clear that there
is probably a rear projection going on that you can tell.
With just like the it was really.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
So I was like, I don't know. And then I
also just felt like there was like forced like human
elements with the little girl and that Hicks guy that
felt really forced, like oh, well, you know, she's a woman,
so she's got to have maternal instincts, you know, like, okay, great,
(28:27):
do we expect like a man to do the same
thing or are we okay if a man's like, oh whatever, kid.
It's just very interesting and I you know, maybe I'm
just really pushing against the movie because it's so masculine
and it's just like the one feminine trait that Ripley
shows is this maternal instinct. And I'm like, oh, you know,
(28:49):
she could have been a strong woman without the kid.
But you know, it's interesting. I don't know. I just
I did like the kid. I felt like the kid
was strong.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Yeah, I like the kid and I like the but
there was just another element of something for Ripley to
do other than be facing off these alienses protecting the child.
But yeah, it's definitely hitting the motherhood theme very hard.
I think even with the as they developed, like the
life cycle, these aliens out a little bit more. And
how there's the queen mother and then the other ones
(29:20):
are like the workers. Yeah. Yeah, And like we said
in the extended cut, they revealed that Ripley has lost
her daughter and now she's filmed a replacements, like getting
very attached to her. Yeah, calling her mom at the
end was weird.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Forced is what I would say, forced, Mommy, shut up.
You don't know me. You don't even know my first name.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Right, Like, I get that they're close and they're very
bonded now, but that like nothing in their discussions had
to do with like family or like, I don't know,
like nothing seemed earned about that moment.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
I was my mom married my stepdad when I was
like thirteen years old. And maybe it's because I was thirteen,
but I never called that man dad or daddy. He
is my dad, but I don't call him dad. And
I don't know. Maybe if she would have been a
littler kid, like a littler kid, maybe I would have
(30:19):
bought it. But this little girl is what like seven
eight and she's obviously a survivor. She's tough. I really
like that she was like ready to scram She's like,
we gotta go, we gotta leave. I cannot sleep on
this bed. I am exposed. And I just I kind
of made it cheap, like their bond at the end there, mommy, fuck,
(30:43):
get away from me. And I bet she smelled the
whole time, and she like had her head next to
her face, and I was just like, little kids stink.
If they don't bathe, they stink. And she was living
basically in a trash compactor. I think it's a really
interesting that the actress never worked again too.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Yeah. I looked at that a little bit. She said
like the fame was difficult for her as a child.
I can't imagine not understanding whether people liked her or
liked her character.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Yeah, I mean, you see how many child actors struggle
with fame and access and like there's drug use and
I mean abuse, and so I'm kind of glad she
kind of got away from all of that.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
She's a teacher now and she still has her photo
of her and Scoorny Weaver what else. So we have
another android that we're very skeptical at first, had a
bad experience with the last one.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Yeah, that last one was weird. That guy was we erd,
And this one was sus too, because like when he
was like dissecting the hand the face, sucker, he was
like so interesting.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
He was really like one. Yeah, so I think that
was a good like misdirect with him.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Yeah, he was cool in the end. And then he
got fucking sliced in No, he got ripped in half.
That was so epic, and his white blood was all
over so gourdiny weaver. I would have been like, I
need extra pay for that. I don't know what what
is that white liquid? Do you think it's like milk
or like colored water or something.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Like like in real life?
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Yeah, in real life.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
I assume it's some sort of water mixture.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Yeah, something, But it was I would have been so
upset to be that wet that day. But yeah, so
they fuck uh So it's kind of a shit show.
The head marine guy doesn't know what he's doing, and
the other marine guys have bad AMMO and they can't
(32:58):
even shoot at things yep. And then they're trying to
find all these colonists and apparently all these colonists have
a chip inserted in them. This is going to be
our future, and that chip has a tracking device and
they're trying to figure it out. And then they find
that they're all in this one area and they're like, well,
(33:21):
let's go, let's go check it out.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Having a party without us, let's go.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Yeah, and before they go, they don't do any research.
They don't they don't do anything, and so that's what
gives them in the conundrum of having the wrong gammo.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Yeah, and this is where you start to realize that, like,
if people will just listen to Ripley, everything would go
a lot better. Yeah, just like the first movie.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Yeah, she's the sound of reason. And so they find
one of the colony, Well, they find the colonists encased
in this goo and then they see the husks of
the face suckers, and somehow they're not putting it together,
even though they should have watched the report that Ripley
(34:04):
did to explain to them what the life cycle of
one of these things is. Yeah, so nobody did their homework.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
They had report on a disc They told us that.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Yeah, so, and they had a lot of time. They
were all in the little sleepy chamber. They could have
taken a day off, gotten out of the sleepy chamber
and watched the fifteen minute video. So they're just like
kicking around the husks and just chilling.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
They didn't even let her finish explaining it in.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Her in her initials. Yeah, yeah, So when they were
meeting her, they were really undermining her. And then as
they were loading up, she's like, how can I help?
I feel like like like a bump on a log,
like what am I doing? And they're like, well, what
can you do? And I thought that was the perfect question.
They're like, She's like, I want to volunteer. Okay, what
(34:55):
can you do for us? And I love this? She's ready.
She's like, oh, I can drive one of those big things,
those fucking avatar robots. Yeah, and she like gets in it,
fucking messes around with the knobs and she's like where
do you want it? And that must have been an
(35:17):
iconic line because even the guys reacted to it, like
the characters. They were like laughing, They're like, oh shit,
she's for real. I think this establishes her as not
just a pretty face or like a nerd or you know,
like because she's a consultant or whatever, and they there's like,
(35:39):
she's not one of them, so this helps her kind
of them, They're they're warming up to her not a lot,
And I feel like it could have been done better
to like introduce her to the crew or something, or
show the barriers that she was facing more to feel integrated,
like more of her getting shut down stuff, maybe especially
(36:02):
by that that uh, the military guy, the sergeant or whatever.
If he would have like snapped at her a little
bit more like even like if he would have been like,
you need to shut up or something. He tried to
do it when they were but she like said, fuck you,
I'm gonna rescue these guys, and she got on and
started driving the cyber trucky truck. Yeah, that's but I
(36:27):
feel like they could have pushed him to be more demeaning,
you know, like really push. But I don't know if
they wanted to make him the bad guy, right.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Yeah, they just seem to one who make him.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Useless competent, Yeah, useless, So I guess that that's all right.
But yeah, she drives the cyber truck and they figure
out that these aliens are no joke.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
I do like how they they set up the loader thing,
the forkliff machine that she drives.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
I like how they were able to establish that so
we could get that final act of the.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Yeah, before she comes back with that. Yeah she had guns. Yeah,
but it did have a little flamethrower. Was that to
light cigars or something?
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Because it's not like a military thing, it's it's a
load thing.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Yeah, okay, a knife though to open boxes or something.
I don't know, but yeah, that was a good setup.
They introduced a new machine and they introduced that she
could manage to drive it or whatever. But it was
also giving Transformers And I'm like, James Cameron, I see
your future. That's not him whatever, it's the same guy
(37:37):
to me. It's all the same guy who is the Transformers.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
Guy, Michael bay Ah. But he does have those things
in Avatar.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Yeah. Oh is that James Cameron?
Speaker 3 (37:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Oh okay, well still that is in his future. He
really likes those robot things. Do you think do we
have things like that now and in a practical use
in real life? I feel like most of those types
of things are automated the most, Like, I mean, we
have forklifts. I don't think if it's ever going to
(38:09):
advance from forklift. I feel like in the loading and
unloading field, they've already made the perfect machine with the forklift,
and it feels like a forklift is probably a little
safer in terms of like putting your body like so
close to the load.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
Yeah. I'm just trying to think of, like what's what's
the practical use of having it have legs that you
walk with as.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Most of wheels, unless it's like, let's think of it
in an exterior not plane surif. Yeah, that would be
the only application that I could see. And those little
leggies didn't look like they would be good for gripping
the floor. They need to be like built like like
a hiking boot, you know, with tread and stuff, and
(38:55):
that thing looks slick.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Yeah, it just seems really dangerous because like a small
move of your arm waves this big metal thing, right.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
And there were people walking in the front.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
I know when they first showed it, the guys like
backing up and then like people aren't giving him.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Enough room, no, And then the one guy passed in
front of the forks. I was like, you never do
that usually. Like there's like a beeping sound, there's like noises, lights,
something to alert you to get out of the way,
because that's a liability issue for the company that's given
(39:29):
you permission to operate this machine. So for as like
money conscious as this company claims to be, apparently in
the future there is no workmen's camp, And I feel
like Sigourney Weaver would have been due some workmen's camp
or at least a retirement or some sort of severance
(39:52):
for her fifty two years of working, right or fifty seven?
I'm sorry, that's what I would have been, like, Hey,
so I've been with this company for fifty seven years.
If anything, I have seniority over all of y'all.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
Also, how's my four h one k doing?
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Right, it's gotta be great. But her kid probably got
it when they didn't find her after a couple of years, right,
probably damn uh oh. Yeah. So Sigourney Weaver like rolls
up in the cyber truck and scoops them up, and
they lose a couple of them in the fight, and
(40:33):
one of them gets acid blown on their face and
they like he's a goner, let him go. And Vazquez
is like, now, now.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
Yeah, these marines got their asses kicked and really like
knocked down there.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
They got a reality check.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
They're military, like masculine arrogance that they have had the
first part of the movie.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
Yeah, all of that cockiness and wit is gone. They're
running their treating with their tails between their legs.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
And even though Michael Bain's character Hicks is in charge now,
like I feel like Ripley's pretty much calling the shots.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
Yeah, he just repeats what she says. It's a puppet.
It's it's definitely got a lot of explosions and gunfighting
and the aliens explode, and it's like very action forward.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
Yeah, just like a war movie than it is this
Haunted House movie. The first one was.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
Yeah, I'm just like sometimes I'm having a hard time
keeping up with all of the action. It's just like
I get like a whiplash. It's like it's like, oh
now we're over here. Oh now we got to do this.
Now we got to do that. Now we're welding the
door shut. Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
And honestly, like once some of those marines died, it
was kind of a relief because I'm like, Okay, now
there's few enough of them that I can kind of
keep track of who's the character here. We've Vesquez and Henderson.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
He was a cry baby bitch.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
Yeah. Is that his name, Hudson, Hudson, Hudson, Yeah, him
being just like, what do we do now, man, we're.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
All goners, We're all goners. How did he pass like
a fortitude test to be in the Marines?
Speaker 3 (42:18):
I don't know because I keep boasting about how like
they're like the best of the best, and like these
guys can handle anything, and like he can't handle much
at all.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Right, one ounce of pressure and he's over it. He's
like on the floor on his back with his feet up, surrendered.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
So then, yeah, Burke is evil.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
Burke is evil, and he gets his just desserts. But
he really tries to pretend he's the good guy for
the longest time. Yeah, and then uh, he is revealed
to be a company man at heart.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
Yep. There is monetary value.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
Here, right, and that is you know, human capital is
less than capital capital. So he was trying to sneak.
I can't believe he was willing to sacrifice Ripley and
the girl like, what a bastard. And I'm I thought
she brought the gun in with her and put it
on the bed. Nope, So that was her bad. Yeah,
(43:15):
so because if she had a gun, she would have
killed that motherfucking thing.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
Yeah. Remember to bring your guns to bed with you
guys always.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
But they so like there's they're like numbers are dwindling.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
Yeah. I think that might have been one of the
more like tense scenes in the movie, is them like
trapped in that room, right, knowing that those face suckers
are in there, right.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
Yeah. I think another good tense point was when they
finally get through the door where Burke was and they're
in between spaces and the alien is like trying to
knock down the door and the little girl rescues them
by like redirecting them through the air ducts.
Speaker 3 (43:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
So I don't know why she wasn't in charge sooner.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
Yeah, she does know like the lay of the land.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
Yeah. I feel like if they would have just hoarded
up where she was the whole time, they would have
been safe.
Speaker 3 (44:10):
Yeah, they could have stayed for the seventeen days or whatever.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
Yeah. But then the android's like, well there is another alternative.
Twenty years later, he's like, oh, yeah, I can remotely
navigate this ship from base. Why didn't you say that
in the beginning, you bitch? Why did why was that plan?
See what the hell it took their atmosphere conductor like
(44:40):
failing for him to be like, oh, yeah, I can
do this. I can crawl through this little poo you
know tube and you know, redirect and navigate the ship.
Why didn't you say that initially as soon as that
first ship exploded.
Speaker 3 (44:57):
Bitch, bitch? Maybe he was evil after all, he was.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
Just trying to save the specimens.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
It's always the specimens with those guys.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
Yeah, it was freaky to see them too. I think
they did a good job at like showing how gross
they were and how they worked those face suckers with
their dicks for mouths. I wouldn't scream in front of
one of those. I shut my mouth with my teeth clenched.
Speaker 3 (45:26):
What else I mean, the whole like end of the
movies just action packed. They lose they got to.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
Oh yeah, they lose her in the water, and I
thought that was the end of her. I was ready
to say goodbye, so long, farewell.
Speaker 3 (45:41):
No, Ripley says like they're going to keep her alive to.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
Yeah, that's disgusting. But she was right and I was wrong,
and I'm really sorry for that. But you know. I
was ready to just be like, oh, well, that's the
last of that little girl. And so when she went back,
I was like, why is she going back? I was
so confused. It's like they're gone, They're done. Why is
(46:08):
the movie not over? But little did I know that
in the third act she had to rescue a little
girl and murder the mother. And oh my god, what
a mother it was. I don't know if you watch Futurama,
but you know how they make that drink surge, that's
what it gave. It was giving goo, big booty judy goo.
(46:31):
And I think it looked great, like in terms of
like alien reproduction, So they must reproduce asexually, right, because
we didn't see anybody like impregnating her or inseminating the
eggs or anything like that. So this is a society
of drones and bees.
Speaker 3 (46:51):
And I mean, I don't know the males that are
breeding with the queen.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
Oh you think so the model children, and that.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
Would be the case, right, probably.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
Yeah, bees or i ants or whatever. But it was
I thought that the visuals are really good, disgusting but good, right,
I'm very believable. But then when she starts lighting all
the things on fire. That thing rips itself from its
body and like chases her with her little claws, and
(47:24):
I'm like, I don't believe that.
Speaker 3 (47:26):
Yeah. Well, at first I was like, well, the queen's
got that big, you know, eggsack attached to her. It's
not gonna be a threat. You can't move around.
Speaker 2 (47:34):
But then she's like, oh, actually, I just zip this
off and my pants become short. So she's like she
is giving Kunti with their little movements. She's like I
could see her in like little heel stilettos running around
waiting for the elevator. Oh my god, this queen is iconic.
(47:59):
And she finds herself on their evacuation and in the
big ship and Ripley does it again. She's like out
the airlock.
Speaker 3 (48:08):
Yep, the freaking Cylon.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
And I wish they would do more with the space
aspect of it. When it's like floating out in space
like a little bit of like freezing or something.
Speaker 3 (48:25):
I just want to see what happens.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
I want to see an accurate depiction of what happens
when you're exposed to space. I think that would have
been cool, Or if she would have exploded, that would
have been cool too, but like a freeze. I think
you freeze in space because it's so cold. I don't know,
maybe it's not. I don't know about space. But Ripley's strong.
And her shoe, she lost her shoe. Those shoes were
(48:50):
so stylish, they were very eighties.
Speaker 3 (48:52):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (48:53):
And then they finally get that little girl cleaned up,
and she looks so different. She needed a.
Speaker 3 (48:57):
Bath so bad. Yeah, bath before bedtime for however many years.
Speaker 2 (49:03):
Yeah, we'll see how long the next one. Yeah, the
next one's in ten years, so we'll see how long
their staces is or if that little well, the little
girl won't be in the sequel because she's quite acting.
Speaker 3 (49:15):
True. True, I guess I get that away.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
Yeah, spoilers.
Speaker 3 (49:19):
Yeah, I don't see anything else you need to cover
talked about We talked about it all fatherhood and masculinity
and war and trauma and corporate greed.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
And then the representation of queerness and brown face.
Speaker 3 (49:32):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
It would have been so iconic if they would have
just made a queer character who wasn't putting on Browie's.
I don't know, Well, it's not my movie. I didn't write.
Speaker 3 (49:41):
It wasn't mine either. I wasn't alive, but.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
Apparently it's a critically acclaimed film with lots of tropes
that have been present in many other films. So and
it's one of the most successful sequels, which kay.
Speaker 3 (49:57):
Yeah, if you look at Rotten Tomatoes, Alien ninety three
Aliens ninety four percent.
Speaker 2 (50:03):
Wow, I feel like this movie was made for men though,
even though it's got a strong female character, I just I.
Speaker 3 (50:10):
Don't know, it has that vibe. It feels like a
Rambo Terminator Diehard type.
Speaker 2 (50:16):
Yeah, it's very masculine, very male, and not that women
can't be attracted to that, but it just doesn't speak
to the female experience in a way that feels authentic.
And I mean a man wrote it, so it.
Speaker 3 (50:31):
Won't be You want to go to the next section.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
What is it?
Speaker 3 (50:34):
The astral Queen.
Speaker 1 (50:38):
Astral queen who was the standout character in the movie?
Speaker 2 (50:43):
Stand out character, I'm gonna give it to.
Speaker 3 (50:45):
Newt Oh really.
Speaker 2 (50:46):
Yeah. She was like, I don't feel safe around these people.
I don't I don't feel safe.
Speaker 3 (50:51):
Yeah, Like, don't you think you'll be safer with us?
And she's like, no, no, I.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
Didn't have a gun. I didn't have any of the
equip you have, and I survived for longer than seventeen
days here by myself.
Speaker 3 (51:04):
I've got snacks in my room. I'm good.
Speaker 2 (51:06):
Yeah, I got snacks, jewelry and pictures. What do I need?
What do I need? And she did it all without
a comb? So who do you give it to?
Speaker 3 (51:15):
I think I'm going to go with Ripley again.
Speaker 2 (51:17):
It's the main character energy.
Speaker 3 (51:19):
Yeah. I mean, she's the one that came in with
the knowledge and no one listened to her, and then
she had to save the day multiple times and yeah,
so it's all.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
In a day's work for a woman. Jason, It's typical Wednesday.
Nobody listens to you until they're fucking in trouble and
then they're like, oh, well, you get me out of
this bind because they don't listen. They don't listen, but
they'll hear that. They're definitely gonna hear I told you.
Speaker 3 (51:43):
So they will listen to the good ideas and then
repeat them louder and.
Speaker 2 (51:48):
Take credit for this. Just like, uh, when she's like
we should get out of here and nuke the planet
and the guy did that, Hicks repeated, It's like, yeah,
that's what we're going to do.
Speaker 3 (52:01):
All right, well, that wraps up the main part of
our episode. We will go to the spoiler section. The
next episode coming out will be on Alien three.
Speaker 2 (52:11):
Or Alien cubed.
Speaker 3 (52:12):
Yeah, alien cubed. Not sure why stylized like that, but
I think we're again gonna watch the extended version, which
is called the Assembly Cut.
Speaker 2 (52:23):
Who directed this one, same guy? No, thank god, no
offense to James Cameron, but I don't think i'm his
target audience. Who was the first one? Ridley Scott? Yes, okay,
I like Ridley Scott. I can respect his approach.
Speaker 3 (52:39):
Oh, David Fincher did Alien three, he has he did
not enjoy his experience on that. We'll talk about a
next episode.
Speaker 2 (52:46):
Doesn't sound like Cameron enjoyed this one either, with the
tensions with him and the crew.
Speaker 3 (52:51):
Ridley Scott does come back to do Prometheus and Alien Covenant.
But yeah, for they do different directors every movie for
the most part. So yeah, Alien three Assembly Cut. If
you can find that version, it's generally considered to be
a lot better than Alien three theatrical. Oh so we're
going to go into the spoiler section, and I think
(53:13):
I'm definitely going to spoil something from Alien three. So
if you don't want that, then now is your time
to skidatle get out the airlock. Let's put our living
stereo stylus in this group.
Speaker 1 (53:25):
Brace for impact. Spoilers ahead. If you haven't seen the
whole film series, now is the time to say goodbye.
Remember you can contact us at Spacingoutpod at gmail dot com,
find us on social media, share your thoughts and be
a part of the discussion. Spoilers in five four three
(53:48):
two one.
Speaker 2 (53:49):
So what's the spoiler?
Speaker 3 (53:51):
Well, in Alien three there's.
Speaker 2 (53:52):
Another alien, like a different type.
Speaker 3 (53:55):
I don't remember. Actually, what I wanted to spoil was
so it picks up right after this movie. They I
think they crash land on a planet and it's like
a prison planet. And Newton, the other guy, die right
at the beginning in the crash. Great, so this whole
movie where it's about like saving Newt, the whole end
of the movie is about the rescue of her, only
(54:16):
to be undercut by the next movie.
Speaker 2 (54:18):
She dies. Yeah, and they're in a prison planet.
Speaker 3 (54:20):
Yes, Okay, don't remember many details beyond that.
Speaker 2 (54:24):
And so Gourney's still in it then, yes, she's locked in.
Speaker 3 (54:28):
Yeah. I think that is like the biggest issue that
everyone had with the movie that new wasn't in it. Well,
just that they discarded her like that and really like
there's just kind of a slap in the face of
this movie.
Speaker 2 (54:39):
But the little girl didn't want to act.
Speaker 3 (54:41):
They carote a story that didn't pick up right where
this ended.
Speaker 2 (54:45):
Right, Yeah, that would have been nicer. So Gourney could
have been.
Speaker 3 (54:49):
Her job back on the loading dock. Yeah, or she
probably gets fired from that job because they don't believe her. Again, Yeah, that.
Speaker 2 (54:56):
Would have been cool. But yeah, no, okay, so bad
writing already off the bat, Alien thirty. Why didn't they
just hire James krameron to do the screenplay again?
Speaker 3 (55:07):
I don't know. Probably because he was doing Terminator two.
Probably had a terrible time on this movie in order
to go back.
Speaker 2 (55:14):
But he didn't have to direct it. He could have
just written the screenplay, true, because he did a good job,
a good enough job. All right, Okay, Well, we'll see
you next week with Terminator cubed No No Alien three
point zero Alien three.
Speaker 3 (55:30):
Thanks for spacing out with us, and remember there were
some places in the universe you don't go alone. That's
another tackline.
Speaker 1 (55:37):
Thank you for spacing out with BB and Jason, you
can help us out by subscribing and leaving a positive
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