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Welcome to Spacing Out With BB and Jason! We’re covering the 2004 reboot of Battlestar Galactica, and this week we’re discussing season 4 episode 12, “A Disquiet Follows My Soul”. Thanks for joining us!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Spacing Out with BB and Jason this week
covering Battlestar Galacticas season four episode twelve, A Disquiet Follows
My Soul.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Welcome back, I'm Baby.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
And I'm Jason, and this is spacing Out for today.
We will be discussing Battlestar Galactica, and if you are
new to the show, welcome, and you should know we're
gonna have a spoiler section at the end of the
podcast where we are free to discuss future events, but
otherwise we won't be spoiling anything past this episode, which
is Battle Star Galactica season four episode twelve, A Disquiet
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Follows My Soul so moody. I mean, some of the
episodes have these like very poetic titles and then others
are just like scar. So we watched an extended kind
of this episode, but if you weren't able to watch that,
I will go through in the trivia what the differences
(00:59):
are in between the two versions. This episode originally aired
on January twenty third, two thousand and nine, was written
by Ronald D. Moore, directed by Ronald DY Moore, and
the survivor account was thirty nine six hundred and forty
four people so the loss of seven from last time.
In this episode, when a Dama orders all colonial ships
fitted with Cylon FDL technology, the rebel Cylons demanded legal
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citizenship under colonial law. In return, the Quorum, led by
an adamant Tom Zerk, fiercely opposed the deal. Laura Roslin's
continued reclusion cause attention within the government they learns he
is not the biological father. Nikki Gata's outspokenness over the
alliance rouses murmurs of mutiny aboard Galactica. I think that
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covered everything.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Shrodstrokes vive check.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Did we like the episode overall? How does it stand
the test of time?
Speaker 2 (01:56):
I liked this episode. It was good. I like the intrigue,
the intrigue between Galactica and the.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Rest of the world, the rest of the fleet.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Yeah, that's the world right now. They live in a
very small world composed of ships, and so when nobody
is cooperating with Galactica's requests or demands, it's like showing
how impactful it is to have the support of the fleet,
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you know, like you need people to run a ship. Yeah,
and you can't alienate people. But I think there's like
a lot of bias against the cylons and stuff. I
don't know. I think it's interesting, Like there's like unders yeah,
well kind of, but we're working together. You have an alliance.
If you have an alliance, that means they're not hurting
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you anymore. Maybe there has to be some talk about
reparations or something. But they want citizenship. I don't think
that's a terrible thing to ask for. We'll talk about
this are in the deep dive, though, You're asking questions
where things we're not ready to discuss. Yes, I like
the episode.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
I also liked it. There's a lot of drama, a
lot of tension building between characters. There's like there's a
personal drama and political drama, military drama like Scott all
of it.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
And yeah, and then we're still dealing with the aftermath
of Earth not being what it was set up to be,
and I think we're still kind of dealing with the
morale changes in that.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Yeah, it's a very natural progression and it doesn't really
focus on one character. It's kind of an ensemble episode.
And yeah, just it works really well.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Trivia time, what facts could we uncover for a dis
quiet follows my soul?
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Trivia? So this episode takes place immediately after the web
series The Face of the Enemy, focused on Felix Kata
and his attitude and everything continues into this episode. This
is the directorial debut of showrunner Ronald Moore. Oh.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
I can't believe this is the first time he's ever directed.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Yeah, he's been writing for most of his career and
then he's finally directing. And his son and daughter appear
in the scene where Baltar is preaching to that crowd.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
And since the showrunner was at the helm of the episode,
there was a lot more ad libbing allowed in some
of the scenes, including the press conference and Adama's daily
routine at the beginning of the episode.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Is brushing of the teeth.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Yeah, and he's like walking around his office. We saw
those nice rugs he has.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
The poem quoted by Admiral Dama in the opening scene
is there is a Langer of the Life by Emily Dickinson,
and Adama reading that specific poem was not scripted, as
Edward James almost frequently reads books on those sets shelves
because he's a big old nerd.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
They have a lot of Emily Dickinson, do they.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
I just like the idea that when he has downtime,
he's his polling books off the shelves and what's this. So,
after Tyrol was decided to be a Cylon, the writers
had to address the nature of Nikki as a Sylon child.
They decided that hot Dog would be the real father
to preserve the uniqueness they had built up for Hara. Then,
in a Chicago Tribune interview with Ronald they Moore, he
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clarified that Callie slept with hot Dog prior to getting
together with the Chief. In case anyone wants concerned.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
About that, who cares about CALLI?
Speaker 3 (05:20):
The phone in Laura Roslin's quarters used to be mounted
to the wall, but the crew had to remove it
and place it on the table due to the difficulty
of filming Mary McDonald in a bald cap. She can't
move around, you can't shoot her from a lot of angles,
so they just had to move the phone right next
to her so she could hang it up. The colonial
costumes were created without pockets. However, Edward james Almost's costume
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had to be amended to include pockets for this episode
due to scenes of him picking up litter and placing
it in his pockets. So Edward James almost had a
lot of fun bragging about having pockets to the other
cast members, and he can be seen with his hands
in his pockets in several scenes.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Show it off.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Yeah, all right. So the extended cut of this episode
is available on the DVD and Blu ray releases. It's
about nine minutes longer.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
So what's in the extended cut?
Speaker 3 (06:10):
In the extended cut, there's a scene with Gata confronting
Colonel Tie in the corridor.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Oh, that's worth it. You got to buy the DVD set.
You gotta buy the DVD set if you get to
see Data and Tier and.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Tie, Dada and Tie.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah, Kada and Tie having a little bitch fit moment
where it's like, well, I feel like you're just going
to be doing this while I'm gonna be doing it,
just not right now. And he's like, well, I'll be
ready for you. And it was so Caddy, it was
so good. I really like that scene. It added so much.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Yeah, that is a really good scene. I don't know
if you can maybe find it online or something like that.
I haven't looked, but by the DVDs, then there's some
extended sequences, so there's a longer sequence of Zeric talking
to the Qorum of twelve. There's a longer sequence of
Laura jogging through the corridors. So in the in the
aired version, a Dama he's in his course. He gets
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a phone call and we presume it's about Laura running
through the halls, and he goes and meets her, and
the extended cut he wakes up, he gets a call,
he goes to the hangar deck. He chews out Foragerski
for not having all these all the vipers online and
how much sick time the crew is taking, and he's
really pissy in that scene. And then he notices Laura
Roslin jogging around and goes and confronts her. There's also
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more dialogue between a Dama and Xeric and the prison cell,
and there's a longer scene between hot Dog and Tyrol.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Wow, this one had a lot of extended scenes.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Then deep Space Dive. Let's break down some of our
thoughts on the episode. You can share your thoughts with
us through email, Facebook, or Twitter. We may use your
comments on an upcoming episode.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
So I'm thinking about the context of this show and
how it was made back in the times where we
were in a car inflict with Iraq. What was a war, Yes,
and I'm thinking about how we were at war with Iraq,
but we also had allies in Iraq, interpreters and people
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who were helping soldiers in the front lines, putting their
own lives at risk by helping Americans, and thinking about
how America has this history of using the locals and
leaving them behind. I'm thinking specifically about Vietnam and how
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we pulled out of Vietnam, and we've all I mean
not all of us, but most people have seen the
videos and the pictures at the American embassy and Vietnam
where the helicopters are pulling away leaving a mass of
people just left behind for the viet Cong to deal with.
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And we did. We didn't do it as severely in Iraq,
and we did grant those people like asylum. But the
thing about American asylum is that it's very complicated. It's
not easy to ask for refugee status or asylum status
in the United States, and it's difficult to then also
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become a citizen in the United States. And so I
feel like this is a little I feel like to
me anyway, as a person who comes from an immigrant background,
because my parents came here from another country that this
is kind of relating to that, like how do we
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work with our allies to let them have a pathway
to citizenship? And obviously the locals or the people who
consider themselves from here are going to have some sort
of issue because there's always like anger and resentment the
new And I don't know, I feel like in America
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there is no outright automatic citizenship. It's a pathway. So
I feel like if somebody had their like immigration cap on,
he would have had somebody say, well, what if we
grant you citizenship after a certain amount of years? Because
cylons live forever unless somebody murders them. I don't think
i've seen a Cylon get sick, you know what I mean.
(10:26):
So if you're like a good boy, a good little Cylon,
just like in America, if you're a good person for
X amount of years, then you would be granted. No,
you're not even granted citizenship. That's the fucking thing. You
have to take a test, and it's not offered in
your language, and it's totally convoluted. No quote unquote American
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born citizen would be able to pass the citizenship test
without studying for a long time, and I feel like
it's it should be something that should be required, like
in high school where you take the citizenship test as
part of your history course, because you should understand what
people go through to become citizens in this country and
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how difficult it is. But I thought it was interesting
that that's what the Cylons wanted. They wanted citizenship, they
wanted rights, And I think it's interesting because that's what
a lot of people in this country want. That's why
they come here like and risk it all, and we
don't make it easy at all. And I think it's
really interesting that it was definitely the military talking, because
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if there was one political mind in there, and I
felt bad that fucking baby Adama didn't bring it up
or say something and be like, well, maybe we can
figure out a pathway or do some sort of resolution
where we give you citizenship, but not right away so
that people can get used to you, because you've only
been here like two weeks and we already try to
kill you.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
And so.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
I think a compromise would have been good, and then
maybe they would have just even you know, the ships
that agreed to the Cylon technology and then the other
ones can catch up or stay behind. I think I
don't know. I thought it was really interesting and just
like as a person who has this kind of background
and is thinking about this kind of stuff a lot
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more than your normal like American born person, I feel
like it was interesting. I was like, that's that's an
interesting thing that they're willing to bargain for, because a
lot of people are willing to sacrifice a lot in
order to get that citizenship, that protection. But the thing is,
your citizenship is not protected. It can be taken away
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if you do something heinous enough and they'll send your
ass to Guantanamo Bay where you have no rights.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Yeah. So they didn't have a very nuanced conversation about
the citizenship.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
I wish they did because it was so like important,
I think, I mean, why else are they throwing a
hissy fit like all of these colonial people. You know
what they give me, they're giving me like red cap
where Donald Trump supporting anti immigrant like motherfuckers, that's what
it's giving. And that's like looking at it through this
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new Post twenty sixteen lens, right, right.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
But it's also like they haven't had the kind of
more personal experiences with the cylons that Adama and some
of our main characters have. What they know is that
the Cylons wiped out most of humanity and has been
attacking them for the last four years, and now are
suddenly like, hey, we want to be friends with you.
Like it's understandable that there's going to be resistance or
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pause to that. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
I feel like that's bad pr on the Cylon side too, though,
but I think that's another reason why they want representation
so that they can be in the world. Yeah, And
I don't know, I feel like I.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Feel like it's a lot of things happening quickly that
people aren't able to process, and so heels are getting
dug in and pushing back on all of this.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
I think a lot of it is also xenophobia or
like racism literally, like yeah, I don't know what else
it would be, because I don't know what the term
would be for anti robotism, like you know what I mean,
But I think it's like a bias or yeah, an
a bias against people who were not born human.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
So yeah, I mean there's a lot of I still
don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
I'm I'm against any sort of like broad strokes of
like oh, well, this guy blew up my World Trade Center.
So all of these fricking brown people suck. I'm not
into that. Yeah, you know what I mean. So, and
it's not so, it's just it's giving xenophobia, it's giving Islamophobia,
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it's it's giving all of this stuff that was happening
around that time. And I'm just like really interested to
see how it plays out with the citizenship part, because
it's obvious that they want the technology, but they know
that it has to be a political decision to give
them citizenship. And I feel like, personally, I feel like
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it should be like a case by case basis. I'm
not going to give all of y'all citizenship just like that.
We're gonna vet you. We're going to just like we
do in America, and just like they do it anywhere
anywhere you go. If you want to become a citizen,
there's a vetting process. You don't just get automatic citizenship
unless you're squirted out, you know. Yeah, And even then,
(15:33):
Like it's a little tricky because I know some Americans
from Germany. They were born in Germany, but they were
born on an American base. So it's interesting. I think
I really wish that they had somebody who was able
to communicate that nuance and that like there's so much
there that they chose to ignore and instead they like
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focused on the human part of it, the anti Cylon
part of it, and how it's going to affect the military,
and I'm just like, I'm not as interested.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Yeah, they did put it in kind of this all
or nothing context. Yeah, I think it's, like I said,
it's more nuanced than that, And there was opportunity for
Leadama to probably be a part of that discussion because
he's moving between the military and the quorum.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Yeah, it would have just been really interesting to give
people some sort of insight on what it is to
go through the citizen pathway as an asylum seeker, because
that's what they are. They're in a civil war, they're
fleeing the bad guys of their Cylon fleets or whatever,
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and they're they're trying to like join in this other
group of people for refuge, like you help me, I'll
help you, kind of it's a mutualistic relationship. And I
feel like they should definitely have like better representation throughout
all of the ships because they're not bad people. Well,
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most of the Cylons I've seen are like regular boring.
People thought it was funny when Abdama was brushing his
teeth all angry.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
He was so mad he was That seemed a very
rigorous activity.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
For Yeah, like he's so pissed off, he's got to
brush his teeth.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Also, like he turned on the shower and it was
like hot right away to steam. Yeah, and he's like,
let that warm up some more.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Yes, that water heater is working overtime on Galactica.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Other ships are probably just all cold water all the.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Time, yeah, but not on Galactica. It's steaming hot.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
So we have Duck Coddle and Sick Bay working with
every time. Yeah. Everyone everyone's in sick Bay. Gata can't
get any help for his suffering. But he's they're looking
at the sonogram of Kaprica six and the baby. He
just straight up tells him it's a boy. Doesn't let
them say they want to know.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
So much for a gender review. He's like, yeah, can't
you tell? And then he's like congratulations, you want a cigarette,
And then the nurse calls them out and he's like
that's a lot of smoking around a pregnant lady. And
she's like she'll live, she'll be fine, and then Colonel
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ty smokes too, right, Yeah, he was smoking. So I
love Tom's Eric in the beginning of this episode because
he's just like calling everyone on their shit. He tells Lee,
he's like, I lost track of what your job is
on any given day. Lee has had so many jobs
on the show. Yeah, he's been a pilot, he's been
the cag he's been a commander, he's been the president,
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he's been in the Quorum, he's been a lawyer. So
many hats.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
And he's also like, it's funny how Rosalind disappeared after
her prophecies about Earth turned the crap ella.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Well funny.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
So Doc Caddle also gets to reveal that Chief Tyrrel
is not the biological father of Nikki.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
And he's like the worst by that nurse.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Yeah, nur Shay, she sucks. She's pretty involved in this
episode of being opposite of Coddle.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Yeah. She talks to Gata about having to work with
the toasters. I feel like she's not happy about working
with the silons.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Yeah, I got that impression. There's like a cuts to
a look on her face when they're talking about how
the cylons can reproduce Now. Yeah, which made her seem
like we shouldn't be facilitating this.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Yeah, but you know that that happens your your medical
staff can and will be racist. I think that's why
a lot of like black women have to deal with
like more death rates during pregnancy, Like their their pregnancy
mortality rate is like so high because of the racist doctors, nurses,
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and like staff that work with them. But yeah, she
she's like, yeah, we're dealing with them. And Felix is
just so rude. He's like, oh, yeah, you got to
keep those toasters happy. And he's complaining about his prosthetic
not fitting properly, and he's like it's like rubbing him
the wrong way because he's not lubing it up properly.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
And she talks to him in a very like customer
service type of way, like trying to, you know, just
tell him, you know, we're busy today. We're going to
get the doctor as soon as we can. She doesn't
respond to anything he says about the cylons.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Yeah, but I feel like silence is violent in some cases,
where it's like you when you don't say something that
means you're kind of with it, you know what I mean,
Like you're not disagreeing, So it's like an underlying agreement,
like you're you're when you don't say something like oh
you know, I don't like when you use that word,
or oh you know, I don't believe that I don't
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think that's correct, instead of like that's really easy to
say and do, but when you don't do that, that's
like giving them a free pass, letting them think that,
oh well, it's fine, you're with me. You're you're a
racist life like me, you know what I mean, Like, oh,
you fucking hate the toasters too, you better go back
to them, And she's like, hah, yeah, then that's it.
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That's I don't know. I know it's difficult at work.
I try not to Oh it's rough at work. I
try to finish the conversation. All right, is there anything
else I can help you with today in relation to
my job because this is making me uncomfortable, but I
don't know. And then parent chief comes in as she's
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working with Gata and he's saying, my baby's peen blood,
and that freaked me out. That would freak me the
fuck out. Could you imagine if your baby was peen blood?
That baby's probably still in diapers so at first you
probably wouldn't even know where the blood is coming from,
and then all of a sudden you figure out that
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blood is his piss. Oh my god, how horrible. And
then to find out that you're not the baby daddy.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Yeah. So I feel like that this scene worked really
well with like all that going on, because you just
you put Gata right in the middle of that and
he can't get any assistance while these cylons are all,
you know, getting taken care of.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Yeah, but I mean, he's not peeing blood.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
True.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
I feel like this is kind of like a like,
this is a medical situation where the doctors and the
nurses have to assess the level of priority that they
have to take in each situation. And I'm uncomfortable because
my prosthetic fits weird versus my child is urinating blood.
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I feel like there's one that's definitely more you know,
prioritized in a medical emergency standpoint, because we can get
you an appointment with a guy that fits these things.
And I don't think it's the actual doctor. It should
be somebody who specializes in like engineering and medical devices,
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and doc seems like he's like a jack of all trades,
master of none kind of guy where he like kind
of knows everything. But it's obvious that Felix needs a
professional to like fit him. And I doubt there's anybody
like that on the fleet. No, or maybe there is,
but not on that, not on Galactica. Maybe this is like,
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you know, the military hospital, and there's another ship that's
actually like a nice hospital with real like staff and
employees and all that. We don't know. I wish there was.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
I mean, we've seen that they had other doctors.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
This is the doctors that he has access to. That's
his insurance covers this.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Yeah, so Gate is not happy, and he goes to
some meetings and he stays unhappy.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
He's really unhappy, and then he I don't know if
this was in the extended cut or if it was
in the actual episode two when him and Starbuck have
their little chat.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
No, that's that's in the episodes. So yeah, that's I
think that's an important moment because I think, you you really,
I think his feelings there are real valid, and but
I think what he's really doing there is clearing that
room of anyone who doesn't agree with him, because you
see people get up and leave after Starbuck leaves. Yeah,
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and then he seals the door wants to talk to everybody.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Yeah, He's like, all right, now that we're clear, how
do y'all feel about doing a sick out?
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Like, all right, now that she's gone, we're gonna throw
a surprise party. Okay. Yeah, that was a really good
scene with Gata and Starbuck. And as we mentioned, there
was another good scene in the extended cut with Gata
and Tie. So he is really going back and forth
with a lot of characters here. What is the deal
with that.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Air playing food?
Speaker 3 (24:43):
I guess I sound like Seinfeld. What is the deal
with land lines that are set to vibrate that?
Speaker 2 (24:52):
I don't know? I pointed that out. I'm like, no,
wonder if she's not picking up her phone it's set
to vibrate, and she's like working out and you know,
pop and pills.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Yeah, these phones usually ring. I feel like, why was
it vibrating?
Speaker 2 (25:08):
I don't know. I think they were trying to cut
out this. I like the cause I feel like telephones
ringing have a specific time that you think of, like
a certain ring might be associated with a certain time,
Like I'm sure the phone ringing in the eighties was
different than the phone ringing in the sixties or in
(25:29):
the nineties, so if they gave it a distinct ring,
it might date them in some way. I think that's
that's what I would think, just from a person who
thinks so too much.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
I don't. I feel like these phones have rng before
on the show.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
You think, So you'll have to do some research and
watch the episodes all over again.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
All right, I'll go watch some like seventy episodes and
get back to you. But yeah, so, I guess let's
talk about Laura, who is checking out, not taking your pills,
throwing them in the trash, which I feel like if
she's not going to take them, she should at least
give them back because.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
There are other people with cancer, Laura.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
I don't think we're manufacturing a lot of pills these days.
So but yeah, so she is offer meds and feeling good,
which is a real thing, right, Like people, yeah, feel
better when they get off their meds because they no
longer have all this stuff in them.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Yeah. Yeah, Usually it's the meds that make you feel
sick when it comes to cancer.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
So, you I mean, because think about it, you didn't
even know you had cancer until they told you and
medicated you, and then you feel like shit because your
body is literally trying to fight something that is metastasizing
inside of you. And it wasn't before. It was just
letting it grow free, just fuck it. You know, it
wouldn't affect you until a vital organ or a system
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was compromised due to the cancer growth. Which I think
she has the right to decide that. I don't like
that she threw away her meds though, because yeah, you're right,
she should have like taken back to the hospital or whatever.
I've been like, I am going to disenroll from this.
I am no longer prescribed subscribing to this channel, you know,
(27:16):
like I am done with my caring cancer era. But
I think everyone, you know, you have the right to
deny medication, and if you want to exercise that right,
you should. You should if you want to. Nobody should
stop you from doing that. I don't think people should
feel guilty for deciding that they're tired of fighting something
(27:38):
that they don't want to fight anymore. I don't know.
I'm also for like ethical like what is it called euthanasia?
But you decide, like if you if you have a
terminal illness, that you decide when you want to go
instead of waiting for the illness to take its course
and take you from the world. Because I don't know,
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I just don't feel like that helps anybody just watching
you deteriorate like that. If it's for sure terminal, you
should have a decision of when and how you go.
I just believe in autonomy like that, And I've also
seen so many people die like terribly that it's just
not I don't know. I'd rather just like so that
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somebody inject me with something and let me sleep where
I can say goodbye, and I'm not like an angry,
bitter person because my brain is already halfway gone. I
support her decision, and I think if she feels better,
that's going to be a better journey for her. But
I think Adama kind of knows a little bit, like, huh,
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like you feel you look good, You're not supposed to
look good. You're supposed to be in the hospital. And
I think he's kind of accepting where she's at and
he's still choosing to love her despite knowing that he
might lose her faster based on her condition.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Yeah, he's still being supportive despite like he's telling her
like we need you as president, like shit's falling apart,
you're giving power to Tom's Eric, and she she's not
interested in any of this, and like he still stays
with They still have like a nice home relationship. It
sounds like which has got to be weird if one
person is just like completely checked out while the other
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is trying to hold together all the functions of the ship.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
I feel like that Adama's used to that kind of
like having to be the person that stands up and
holds it together. My favorite line in this show today
was sometimes I really hate this fucking job. But I think,
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like for him, that job is worth it because when
he goes home, he gets to lay next to her
in her bald cap. Yes, And so I think you
just have to decide if you're what you're going through,
what you're in durry because of the state of this
person's like mental or physical health, is worth staying with them.
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I think a lot of men have issues with that.
Like I've heard so many horror stories of women who
are diagnosed with cancer or terminal illness and their husband's
divorce them like immediately, like done, I'm done with her,
And that's horrifying. So I think it's really cool to
see like a male role model that's staying with his
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girl despite you know, her illness and the fact that
it's causing him more undue stress.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
I liked it. I think their relationship, it might not
be healthy, but it's what they got. I don't know
if Adama's ever had a relationship that was health because
we've never seen his relationship with his other wife, and
I think there was mentions of her being weird. I
don't know. Maybe I'm thinking of Helen ty No, we
spent an episode with his wife. I forgot it then
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it was terrible. You don't remember that blonde lady like
an alcohol problem and that's what was Okay, see I
blonde alcoholic Helen Tye. I don't sell. I was like trying.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
I was confusing them and like zero chemistry with a Dama.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Yeah, okay. I think I blocked that out because I
didn't like it.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
It was a day in the life episode, which I
feel like the beginning of this episode did a better
like a day in the life of Adama than that
whole episode. There are several moments in this episode that
made me laugh like just a number of funny lines
in it.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Name one that I haven't already named.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
You haven't already named. Yeah, Well, there's all that stuff
I said about Tom's Derek calling everyone out. There's also
Chief Tyrrell. Just when he's trying to talk to them
about the FDL drives, he keeps confusing, oh, yeah, us
and then your chips and our stuff.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
He's very good your technology, our technology.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Yeah, and then Colonel Tie's like, maybe you need a
chart to sort it all out. And I feel like
that's even a little bit meta, just the show acknowledging that,
like things are kind of complicated.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Yeah. I like that. Chief Tyrol finds out that he's
not the biological father of Nikki, and nobody tells him explicitly,
but then he somehow finds out anyway, right, finds out
who it is, right, We don't know how he finds out,
but hot Dog finds out that he's the real father.
And they're both at Guyas's church thing, which is the
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weirdest place.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
To be.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
To meet up with your baby mama's real baby father.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Look, there's a limit of like how many social gatherings
there are Neglecticus, I know.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
But that's the weirdest one for both of them to
be at. I didn't take Chief for one of those
people to go to a thing, but maybe he was
looking for hot Dog specifically, and he finds that motherfucker
and they just start beating each other up, and Balter
is just smoking a cigarette in the background, like this
is my life now. And then after they beat each
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other up, it looks more like Chief has beating the
ship out of hot Dog than anything. Yeah, and afterwards
we cut to them at the hospital and it's like
an unspoken agreement that Nicky has two dads now.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Yeah, Like at first it seems like Chief is just
gonna leave Nicki with hot Dog. Yeah, we stop, but
he's like, we're going to raise him. We're going to
figure this out.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
I'm like, oh, I want to see that show.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Right, And I was happy to see hot Dog have
more lines. I thought he was gone. But a guy
named hot Dog had a kid man.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Yeah, and they established like a season ago that like
hot Dog was the guy that got around and he
was he was scratching Dog, scratching his crotch in that
episode and Heilo was like, I'm not sitting by you,
like he's got itchy dick, all right, anything else to cover.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
I mean, we can talk about guayas being like losing
his faith and all that, but I feel like that
wasn't as interesting. I did like his haircut though. Yeah,
he doesn't have that Jesus like wave going. He's got
like a military crew cut, and he looks clean.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
Yep, he's cleaned up, and I mean, yeah, he's just
kind of dealing with the same feelings existential crisis feelings
that everyone else is.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Yeah, he just doesn't have the cancer meds to stop
taking or anything.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
The thing is he has of a flock of sheep
as he put it, that will listen and do anything
he says, right, and he doesn't really know how to
wield that power.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Well, and he's kind of fucking it up by being
so negative. Yeah, the I think the over morale is
like kind of like seeping into everything where it's just
like negative nancies everywhere.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
All right, So real quick, you mentioned Tom z Eric
been sewing discontent in the fleet. He got that tillium
chip to jump away. It's thrown in the prison into
the brig as a conversation with the Damadama's bluffing with
that whole report on him.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
I believed it. I was so believing it, and he
believed it too.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
I was like, damn, he was trying to sell the presidency.
I don't know how he would have guessed that he
was actually trying to do that. He's like, this motherfucker would,
So I'm going to play. I'm going to like let
him think that he would, and I guess he would.
He's like, I know you want to steady in jail.
I know you would rather die because that would make
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you a martyr for your cause. And instead, what I'm
going to do is humiliate you. I'm going to make
you look like a dirty politician, which is the thing
that you have been standing up against your whole life.
And I can't believe. Xeric was like, as the Tillian
ship was running away from the fleet and getting out
a formation, Galactica was trying to communicate with them, and
(36:10):
they were not taking the hails, and instead they talked
to colonial one and they're like, mister Vice President, there
are vipers coming towards us. What do we do? And
he's like apparently a lawyer now because he's like, oh,
you have rights, they're not allowed to get on your
ship without your permission, and you can do whatever you
(36:33):
want to do in self defense.
Speaker 4 (36:35):
And I'm like, uh, are you sure about that? Because
this is the fuel ship. If they leave, we're all fucked.
And so they jump out of range and we don't
know where they go. But apparently Xeric knows and he
like gives it up immediately. He had apparently he had
a pen and pad ready in his little pocket to
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write it down.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
Yep, but all Dama had on him was laundry. Yeah,
but we do know that Zeric, you know, he works
outside of the political lines as well. He was really
involved in the black market and everything. Like, I don't
think he's doing it necessarily for immoral reasons. I think
he's trying. He does stuff outside the system but wants
(37:18):
to appear.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Like I feel like his morals are corrupted though, like
they're not fully.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
Moral for sure. I mean, look what he's getting into
with Gaeta.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Yeah, and when that guard was listening and he like
perked up when he said, we have plenty. I don't know.
I'm worried about Gata getting in bed with Zeric and
doing all this shit.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
An unlikely duo, but there they are. Shaking hands, right,
astral queen.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Who was the standout character in the episode.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Who's your astral Queen?
Speaker 3 (37:54):
I mean, there's a lot of people in this episode,
there were a lot of people. I'm thinking of giving
it to Gata just because he brought such an attitude
and made a lot of these scenes really fun. Earlier
in the series, I was always trying to think about, like, oh,
who was the one that did the most to save
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them from the crisis. But I just don't feel like
that's what the show is about anymore, Like it's all
all this internal drama.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Yeah, it's all internal. We haven't had a Cylon attack
and many many moons.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
Yeah, so I don't necessarily like the direction that Gata's
going in, But you were a lot of fun. It's
a lot of fun. Howsier.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
I think I'm going to give it to Adama for,
you know, just dealing with everybody's bullshit so well and
then being able to go home and have a like
intimate moment with his girlfriend.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
And admitting that his job sucks sometimes.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Yeah, that was Yeah, that was really relatable. That I
need that to be like my outgoing message or something.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
All right, Well, Felix Kata, William Madonna, your words are coming,
and that brings us to the end of this episode.
We're going to go into the spoiler section and probably
talk about what's happening in the next few episodes. There's
only a few episodes left to talk about, so if
you don't want to join us for that, then don't
see yourself out. We'll see you next time to be
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talking about the episode the Oath. See sometimes the titles are.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Like really ominous.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
Yeah, sometimes a great notion, a disc whie that follows
my soul. Then it's like the Oath stereo stylus in
this group.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Brace for impact. Spoilers ahead. If you haven't seen the
whole series, now is the time to say goodbye. Remember
you can contact us at Spacingoutpod at gmail dot com,
find us on Facebook and Twitter, share your thoughts and
be a part of the discussion. Spoilers in five four,
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three two one spoilers.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
So next couple episodes are just action packed with this
whole uprising that Gata and Zeric are getting into. So
it's a really exciting time in the show and they're
I feel like they're they're putting in the groundwork for
Gata for this, you know, whole kind of heel turne
he does to become more of a villain an antagonist
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in the show.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
Not necessarily a villain because he's too fleshed out for that.
But yeah, what they didn't do with d basically they're
doing with Yata.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
Because he's a man. Yeah, yeah, that's cool. I'm sad
to see him go. I really am, because he's such
a fun character to have and I hate that he's
becoming an antagonist because he's been with the fleet for
so long and he's worked so hard to like have
some sort of like familial bonds that it just sucks
(40:58):
that they're gonna go soon.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
Yeah. I feel like Gaeta and d were such like
an integral part of the crew of Galactica. And to
see these characters getting washed away.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
As racist, Yeah, none of the white characters had to
go through this. They couldn't have made fucking what's his
name Cheerrol or what's his name, Biro? What's his name?
Speaker 3 (41:23):
Heilo?
Speaker 2 (41:23):
Bilo?
Speaker 3 (41:24):
When I say Cheero, like you were emerging characters.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
They're not going to make Hilo the bad guy because
he's married to a cylon just because you're married to
a Cylon doesn't mean you can't hate them, yeah shit.
If anything, it might mean you hate them more because
you're in bed with one.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
I'm ready for Ellen Ty to make her debut.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
She'll be back after they fight this out. Then we'll
get into a lot of Cylon stuff, Cylon backstory.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
I like that. Lea dam almost let it slip in
the she's dead. She couldn't do the pronoun game. Bro.
Speaker 3 (42:02):
Yeah, I don't know what else to really talk about.
I mean, we're just gonna we're gonna be experiencing these episodes.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
So, yeah, they'll find another Earth and Laura.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
Will die, Yeah she will.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
She will be the dying leader.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
She'll get pulled kind of back into her normal role
when all this shit hits the fan next episode, and
we're going to see a lot of our characters taking sides.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
You mean silent side versus human side? I mean Zeric
versus the world.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
Yeah, taking the side of the rebellion versus the Adama's command.
I guess. But yeah, I don't I have anything interesting
to say, so.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
We'll finish it here.
Speaker 3 (42:43):
Then. Thanks for coming, y'all, Thank you for joining us,
and remember this fucking blah blah, freaking.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
Blah blah blah and blah blah blah. That's a funny line.
Fucking Laura Roslind.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
Thank you for space out with Bob and Jason. You
can help us out by subscribing and leaving a positive
rating or review. Next time we will cover Battlestar Galacticas
season four, episode thirteen, The Oath. We hope you will
join us, so say we all
Welcome to Spacing Out with BB and Jason this week
covering Battlestar Galacticas season four episode twelve, A Disquiet Follows
My Soul.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Welcome back, I'm Baby.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
And I'm Jason, and this is spacing Out for today.
We will be discussing Battlestar Galactica, and if you are
new to the show, welcome, and you should know we're
gonna have a spoiler section at the end of the
podcast where we are free to discuss future events, but
otherwise we won't be spoiling anything past this episode, which
is Battle Star Galactica season four episode twelve, A Disquiet
(00:39):
Follows My Soul so moody. I mean, some of the
episodes have these like very poetic titles and then others
are just like scar. So we watched an extended kind
of this episode, but if you weren't able to watch that,
I will go through in the trivia what the differences
(00:59):
are in between the two versions. This episode originally aired
on January twenty third, two thousand and nine, was written
by Ronald D. Moore, directed by Ronald DY Moore, and
the survivor account was thirty nine six hundred and forty
four people so the loss of seven from last time.
In this episode, when a Dama orders all colonial ships
fitted with Cylon FDL technology, the rebel Cylons demanded legal
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citizenship under colonial law. In return, the Quorum, led by
an adamant Tom Zerk, fiercely opposed the deal. Laura Roslin's
continued reclusion cause attention within the government they learns he
is not the biological father. Nikki Gata's outspokenness over the
alliance rouses murmurs of mutiny aboard Galactica. I think that
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covered everything.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Shrodstrokes vive check.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Did we like the episode overall? How does it stand
the test of time?
Speaker 2 (01:56):
I liked this episode. It was good. I like the intrigue,
the intrigue between Galactica and the.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Rest of the world, the rest of the fleet.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Yeah, that's the world right now. They live in a
very small world composed of ships, and so when nobody
is cooperating with Galactica's requests or demands, it's like showing
how impactful it is to have the support of the fleet,
(02:27):
you know, like you need people to run a ship. Yeah,
and you can't alienate people. But I think there's like
a lot of bias against the cylons and stuff. I
don't know. I think it's interesting, Like there's like unders yeah,
well kind of, but we're working together. You have an alliance.
If you have an alliance, that means they're not hurting
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you anymore. Maybe there has to be some talk about
reparations or something. But they want citizenship. I don't think
that's a terrible thing to ask for. We'll talk about
this are in the deep dive, though, You're asking questions
where things we're not ready to discuss. Yes, I like
the episode.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
I also liked it. There's a lot of drama, a
lot of tension building between characters. There's like there's a
personal drama and political drama, military drama like Scott all
of it.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
And yeah, and then we're still dealing with the aftermath
of Earth not being what it was set up to be,
and I think we're still kind of dealing with the
morale changes in that.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Yeah, it's a very natural progression and it doesn't really
focus on one character. It's kind of an ensemble episode.
And yeah, just it works really well.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Trivia time, what facts could we uncover for a dis
quiet follows my soul?
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Trivia? So this episode takes place immediately after the web
series The Face of the Enemy, focused on Felix Kata
and his attitude and everything continues into this episode. This
is the directorial debut of showrunner Ronald Moore. Oh.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
I can't believe this is the first time he's ever directed.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Yeah, he's been writing for most of his career and
then he's finally directing. And his son and daughter appear
in the scene where Baltar is preaching to that crowd.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
And since the showrunner was at the helm of the episode,
there was a lot more ad libbing allowed in some
of the scenes, including the press conference and Adama's daily
routine at the beginning of the episode.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Is brushing of the teeth.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Yeah, and he's like walking around his office. We saw
those nice rugs he has.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
The poem quoted by Admiral Dama in the opening scene
is there is a Langer of the Life by Emily Dickinson,
and Adama reading that specific poem was not scripted, as
Edward James almost frequently reads books on those sets shelves
because he's a big old nerd.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
They have a lot of Emily Dickinson, do they.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
I just like the idea that when he has downtime,
he's his polling books off the shelves and what's this. So,
after Tyrol was decided to be a Cylon, the writers
had to address the nature of Nikki as a Sylon child.
They decided that hot Dog would be the real father
to preserve the uniqueness they had built up for Hara. Then,
in a Chicago Tribune interview with Ronald they Moore, he
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clarified that Callie slept with hot Dog prior to getting
together with the Chief. In case anyone wants concerned.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
About that, who cares about CALLI?
Speaker 3 (05:20):
The phone in Laura Roslin's quarters used to be mounted
to the wall, but the crew had to remove it
and place it on the table due to the difficulty
of filming Mary McDonald in a bald cap. She can't
move around, you can't shoot her from a lot of angles,
so they just had to move the phone right next
to her so she could hang it up. The colonial
costumes were created without pockets. However, Edward james Almost's costume
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had to be amended to include pockets for this episode
due to scenes of him picking up litter and placing
it in his pockets. So Edward James almost had a
lot of fun bragging about having pockets to the other
cast members, and he can be seen with his hands
in his pockets in several scenes.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Show it off.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Yeah, all right. So the extended cut of this episode
is available on the DVD and Blu ray releases. It's
about nine minutes longer.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
So what's in the extended cut?
Speaker 3 (06:10):
In the extended cut, there's a scene with Gata confronting
Colonel Tie in the corridor.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Oh, that's worth it. You got to buy the DVD set.
You gotta buy the DVD set if you get to
see Data and Tier and.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Tie, Dada and Tie.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah, Kada and Tie having a little bitch fit moment
where it's like, well, I feel like you're just going
to be doing this while I'm gonna be doing it,
just not right now. And he's like, well, I'll be
ready for you. And it was so Caddy, it was
so good. I really like that scene. It added so much.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Yeah, that is a really good scene. I don't know
if you can maybe find it online or something like that.
I haven't looked, but by the DVDs, then there's some
extended sequences, so there's a longer sequence of Zeric talking
to the Qorum of twelve. There's a longer sequence of
Laura jogging through the corridors. So in the in the
aired version, a Dama he's in his course. He gets
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a phone call and we presume it's about Laura running
through the halls, and he goes and meets her, and
the extended cut he wakes up, he gets a call,
he goes to the hangar deck. He chews out Foragerski
for not having all these all the vipers online and
how much sick time the crew is taking, and he's
really pissy in that scene. And then he notices Laura
Roslin jogging around and goes and confronts her. There's also
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more dialogue between a Dama and Xeric and the prison cell,
and there's a longer scene between hot Dog and Tyrol.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Wow, this one had a lot of extended scenes.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Then deep Space Dive. Let's break down some of our
thoughts on the episode. You can share your thoughts with
us through email, Facebook, or Twitter. We may use your
comments on an upcoming episode.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
So I'm thinking about the context of this show and
how it was made back in the times where we
were in a car inflict with Iraq. What was a war, Yes,
and I'm thinking about how we were at war with Iraq,
but we also had allies in Iraq, interpreters and people
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who were helping soldiers in the front lines, putting their
own lives at risk by helping Americans, and thinking about
how America has this history of using the locals and
leaving them behind. I'm thinking specifically about Vietnam and how
(08:34):
we pulled out of Vietnam, and we've all I mean
not all of us, but most people have seen the
videos and the pictures at the American embassy and Vietnam
where the helicopters are pulling away leaving a mass of
people just left behind for the viet Cong to deal with.
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And we did. We didn't do it as severely in Iraq,
and we did grant those people like asylum. But the
thing about American asylum is that it's very complicated. It's
not easy to ask for refugee status or asylum status
in the United States, and it's difficult to then also
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become a citizen in the United States. And so I
feel like this is a little I feel like to
me anyway, as a person who comes from an immigrant background,
because my parents came here from another country that this
is kind of relating to that, like how do we
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work with our allies to let them have a pathway
to citizenship? And obviously the locals or the people who
consider themselves from here are going to have some sort
of issue because there's always like anger and resentment the
new And I don't know, I feel like in America
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there is no outright automatic citizenship. It's a pathway. So
I feel like if somebody had their like immigration cap on,
he would have had somebody say, well, what if we
grant you citizenship after a certain amount of years? Because
cylons live forever unless somebody murders them. I don't think
i've seen a Cylon get sick, you know what I mean.
(10:26):
So if you're like a good boy, a good little Cylon,
just like in America, if you're a good person for
X amount of years, then you would be granted. No,
you're not even granted citizenship. That's the fucking thing. You
have to take a test, and it's not offered in
your language, and it's totally convoluted. No quote unquote American
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born citizen would be able to pass the citizenship test
without studying for a long time, and I feel like
it's it should be something that should be required, like
in high school where you take the citizenship test as
part of your history course, because you should understand what
people go through to become citizens in this country and
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how difficult it is. But I thought it was interesting
that that's what the Cylons wanted. They wanted citizenship, they
wanted rights, And I think it's interesting because that's what
a lot of people in this country want. That's why
they come here like and risk it all, and we
don't make it easy at all. And I think it's
really interesting that it was definitely the military talking, because
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if there was one political mind in there, and I
felt bad that fucking baby Adama didn't bring it up
or say something and be like, well, maybe we can
figure out a pathway or do some sort of resolution
where we give you citizenship, but not right away so
that people can get used to you, because you've only
been here like two weeks and we already try to
kill you.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
And so.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
I think a compromise would have been good, and then
maybe they would have just even you know, the ships
that agreed to the Cylon technology and then the other
ones can catch up or stay behind. I think I
don't know. I thought it was really interesting and just
like as a person who has this kind of background
and is thinking about this kind of stuff a lot
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more than your normal like American born person, I feel
like it was interesting. I was like, that's that's an
interesting thing that they're willing to bargain for, because a
lot of people are willing to sacrifice a lot in
order to get that citizenship, that protection. But the thing is,
your citizenship is not protected. It can be taken away
(12:37):
if you do something heinous enough and they'll send your
ass to Guantanamo Bay where you have no rights.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Yeah. So they didn't have a very nuanced conversation about
the citizenship.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
I wish they did because it was so like important,
I think, I mean, why else are they throwing a
hissy fit like all of these colonial people. You know
what they give me, they're giving me like red cap
where Donald Trump supporting anti immigrant like motherfuckers, that's what
it's giving. And that's like looking at it through this
(13:08):
new Post twenty sixteen lens, right, right.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
But it's also like they haven't had the kind of
more personal experiences with the cylons that Adama and some
of our main characters have. What they know is that
the Cylons wiped out most of humanity and has been
attacking them for the last four years, and now are
suddenly like, hey, we want to be friends with you.
Like it's understandable that there's going to be resistance or
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pause to that. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
I feel like that's bad pr on the Cylon side too, though,
but I think that's another reason why they want representation
so that they can be in the world. Yeah, And
I don't know, I feel like I.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Feel like it's a lot of things happening quickly that
people aren't able to process, and so heels are getting
dug in and pushing back on all of this.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
I think a lot of it is also xenophobia or
like racism literally, like yeah, I don't know what else
it would be, because I don't know what the term
would be for anti robotism, like you know what I mean,
But I think it's like a bias or yeah, an
a bias against people who were not born human.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
So yeah, I mean there's a lot of I still
don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
I'm I'm against any sort of like broad strokes of
like oh, well, this guy blew up my World Trade Center.
So all of these fricking brown people suck. I'm not
into that. Yeah, you know what I mean. So, and
it's not so, it's just it's giving xenophobia, it's giving Islamophobia,
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it's it's giving all of this stuff that was happening
around that time. And I'm just like really interested to
see how it plays out with the citizenship part, because
it's obvious that they want the technology, but they know
that it has to be a political decision to give
them citizenship. And I feel like, personally, I feel like
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it should be like a case by case basis. I'm
not going to give all of y'all citizenship just like that.
We're gonna vet you. We're going to just like we
do in America, and just like they do it anywhere
anywhere you go. If you want to become a citizen,
there's a vetting process. You don't just get automatic citizenship
unless you're squirted out, you know. Yeah, And even then,
(15:33):
Like it's a little tricky because I know some Americans
from Germany. They were born in Germany, but they were
born on an American base. So it's interesting. I think
I really wish that they had somebody who was able
to communicate that nuance and that like there's so much
there that they chose to ignore and instead they like
(15:55):
focused on the human part of it, the anti Cylon
part of it, and how it's going to affect the military,
and I'm just like, I'm not as interested.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Yeah, they did put it in kind of this all
or nothing context. Yeah, I think it's, like I said,
it's more nuanced than that, And there was opportunity for
Leadama to probably be a part of that discussion because
he's moving between the military and the quorum.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Yeah, it would have just been really interesting to give
people some sort of insight on what it is to
go through the citizen pathway as an asylum seeker, because
that's what they are. They're in a civil war, they're
fleeing the bad guys of their Cylon fleets or whatever,
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and they're they're trying to like join in this other
group of people for refuge, like you help me, I'll
help you, kind of it's a mutualistic relationship. And I
feel like they should definitely have like better representation throughout
all of the ships because they're not bad people. Well,
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most of the Cylons I've seen are like regular boring.
People thought it was funny when Abdama was brushing his
teeth all angry.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
He was so mad he was That seemed a very
rigorous activity.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
For Yeah, like he's so pissed off, he's got to
brush his teeth.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Also, like he turned on the shower and it was
like hot right away to steam. Yeah, and he's like,
let that warm up some more.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Yes, that water heater is working overtime on Galactica.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Other ships are probably just all cold water all the.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Time, yeah, but not on Galactica. It's steaming hot.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
So we have Duck Coddle and Sick Bay working with
every time. Yeah. Everyone everyone's in sick Bay. Gata can't
get any help for his suffering. But he's they're looking
at the sonogram of Kaprica six and the baby. He
just straight up tells him it's a boy. Doesn't let
them say they want to know.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
So much for a gender review. He's like, yeah, can't
you tell? And then he's like congratulations, you want a cigarette,
And then the nurse calls them out and he's like
that's a lot of smoking around a pregnant lady. And
she's like she'll live, she'll be fine, and then Colonel
(18:15):
ty smokes too, right, Yeah, he was smoking. So I
love Tom's Eric in the beginning of this episode because
he's just like calling everyone on their shit. He tells Lee,
he's like, I lost track of what your job is
on any given day. Lee has had so many jobs
on the show. Yeah, he's been a pilot, he's been
the cag he's been a commander, he's been the president,
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he's been in the Quorum, he's been a lawyer. So
many hats.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
And he's also like, it's funny how Rosalind disappeared after
her prophecies about Earth turned the crap ella.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Well funny.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
So Doc Caddle also gets to reveal that Chief Tyrrel
is not the biological father of Nikki.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
And he's like the worst by that nurse.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Yeah, nur Shay, she sucks. She's pretty involved in this
episode of being opposite of Coddle.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Yeah. She talks to Gata about having to work with
the toasters. I feel like she's not happy about working
with the silons.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Yeah, I got that impression. There's like a cuts to
a look on her face when they're talking about how
the cylons can reproduce Now. Yeah, which made her seem
like we shouldn't be facilitating this.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Yeah, but you know that that happens your your medical
staff can and will be racist. I think that's why
a lot of like black women have to deal with
like more death rates during pregnancy, Like their their pregnancy
mortality rate is like so high because of the racist doctors, nurses,
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and like staff that work with them. But yeah, she
she's like, yeah, we're dealing with them. And Felix is
just so rude. He's like, oh, yeah, you got to
keep those toasters happy. And he's complaining about his prosthetic
not fitting properly, and he's like it's like rubbing him
the wrong way because he's not lubing it up properly.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
And she talks to him in a very like customer
service type of way, like trying to, you know, just
tell him, you know, we're busy today. We're going to
get the doctor as soon as we can. She doesn't
respond to anything he says about the cylons.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Yeah, but I feel like silence is violent in some cases,
where it's like you when you don't say something that
means you're kind of with it, you know what I mean,
Like you're not disagreeing, So it's like an underlying agreement,
like you're you're when you don't say something like oh
you know, I don't like when you use that word,
or oh you know, I don't believe that I don't
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think that's correct, instead of like that's really easy to
say and do, but when you don't do that, that's
like giving them a free pass, letting them think that,
oh well, it's fine, you're with me. You're you're a
racist life like me, you know what I mean, Like, oh,
you fucking hate the toasters too, you better go back
to them, And she's like, hah, yeah, then that's it.
(21:09):
That's I don't know. I know it's difficult at work.
I try not to Oh it's rough at work. I
try to finish the conversation. All right, is there anything
else I can help you with today in relation to
my job because this is making me uncomfortable, but I
don't know. And then parent chief comes in as she's
(21:31):
working with Gata and he's saying, my baby's peen blood,
and that freaked me out. That would freak me the
fuck out. Could you imagine if your baby was peen blood?
That baby's probably still in diapers so at first you
probably wouldn't even know where the blood is coming from,
and then all of a sudden you figure out that
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blood is his piss. Oh my god, how horrible. And
then to find out that you're not the baby daddy.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Yeah. So I feel like that this scene worked really
well with like all that going on, because you just
you put Gata right in the middle of that and
he can't get any assistance while these cylons are all,
you know, getting taken care of.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Yeah, but I mean, he's not peeing blood.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
True.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
I feel like this is kind of like a like,
this is a medical situation where the doctors and the
nurses have to assess the level of priority that they
have to take in each situation. And I'm uncomfortable because
my prosthetic fits weird versus my child is urinating blood.
(22:38):
I feel like there's one that's definitely more you know,
prioritized in a medical emergency standpoint, because we can get
you an appointment with a guy that fits these things.
And I don't think it's the actual doctor. It should
be somebody who specializes in like engineering and medical devices,
(22:59):
and doc seems like he's like a jack of all trades,
master of none kind of guy where he like kind
of knows everything. But it's obvious that Felix needs a
professional to like fit him. And I doubt there's anybody
like that on the fleet. No, or maybe there is,
but not on that, not on Galactica. Maybe this is like,
(23:20):
you know, the military hospital, and there's another ship that's
actually like a nice hospital with real like staff and
employees and all that. We don't know. I wish there was.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
I mean, we've seen that they had other doctors.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
This is the doctors that he has access to. That's
his insurance covers this.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Yeah, so Gate is not happy, and he goes to
some meetings and he stays unhappy.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
He's really unhappy, and then he I don't know if
this was in the extended cut or if it was
in the actual episode two when him and Starbuck have
their little chat.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
No, that's that's in the episodes. So yeah, that's I
think that's an important moment because I think, you you really,
I think his feelings there are real valid, and but
I think what he's really doing there is clearing that
room of anyone who doesn't agree with him, because you
see people get up and leave after Starbuck leaves. Yeah,
(24:15):
and then he seals the door wants to talk to everybody.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Yeah, He's like, all right, now that we're clear, how
do y'all feel about doing a sick out?
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Like, all right, now that she's gone, we're gonna throw
a surprise party. Okay. Yeah, that was a really good
scene with Gata and Starbuck. And as we mentioned, there
was another good scene in the extended cut with Gata
and Tie. So he is really going back and forth
with a lot of characters here. What is the deal
with that.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Air playing food?
Speaker 3 (24:43):
I guess I sound like Seinfeld. What is the deal
with land lines that are set to vibrate that?
Speaker 2 (24:52):
I don't know? I pointed that out. I'm like, no,
wonder if she's not picking up her phone it's set
to vibrate, and she's like working out and you know,
pop and pills.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Yeah, these phones usually ring. I feel like, why was
it vibrating?
Speaker 2 (25:08):
I don't know. I think they were trying to cut
out this. I like the cause I feel like telephones
ringing have a specific time that you think of, like
a certain ring might be associated with a certain time,
Like I'm sure the phone ringing in the eighties was
different than the phone ringing in the sixties or in
(25:29):
the nineties, so if they gave it a distinct ring,
it might date them in some way. I think that's
that's what I would think, just from a person who
thinks so too much.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
I don't. I feel like these phones have rng before
on the show.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
You think, So you'll have to do some research and
watch the episodes all over again.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
All right, I'll go watch some like seventy episodes and
get back to you. But yeah, so, I guess let's
talk about Laura, who is checking out, not taking your pills,
throwing them in the trash, which I feel like if
she's not going to take them, she should at least
give them back because.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
There are other people with cancer, Laura.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
I don't think we're manufacturing a lot of pills these days.
So but yeah, so she is offer meds and feeling good,
which is a real thing, right, Like people, yeah, feel
better when they get off their meds because they no
longer have all this stuff in them.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Yeah. Yeah, Usually it's the meds that make you feel
sick when it comes to cancer.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
So, you I mean, because think about it, you didn't
even know you had cancer until they told you and
medicated you, and then you feel like shit because your
body is literally trying to fight something that is metastasizing
inside of you. And it wasn't before. It was just
letting it grow free, just fuck it. You know, it
wouldn't affect you until a vital organ or a system
(26:53):
was compromised due to the cancer growth. Which I think
she has the right to decide that. I don't like
that she threw away her meds though, because yeah, you're right,
she should have like taken back to the hospital or whatever.
I've been like, I am going to disenroll from this.
I am no longer prescribed subscribing to this channel, you know,
(27:16):
like I am done with my caring cancer era. But
I think everyone, you know, you have the right to
deny medication, and if you want to exercise that right,
you should. You should if you want to. Nobody should
stop you from doing that. I don't think people should
feel guilty for deciding that they're tired of fighting something
(27:38):
that they don't want to fight anymore. I don't know.
I'm also for like ethical like what is it called euthanasia?
But you decide, like if you if you have a
terminal illness, that you decide when you want to go
instead of waiting for the illness to take its course
and take you from the world. Because I don't know,
(27:59):
I just don't feel like that helps anybody just watching
you deteriorate like that. If it's for sure terminal, you
should have a decision of when and how you go.
I just believe in autonomy like that, And I've also
seen so many people die like terribly that it's just
not I don't know. I'd rather just like so that
(28:20):
somebody inject me with something and let me sleep where
I can say goodbye, and I'm not like an angry,
bitter person because my brain is already halfway gone. I
support her decision, and I think if she feels better,
that's going to be a better journey for her. But
I think Adama kind of knows a little bit, like, huh,
(28:40):
like you feel you look good, You're not supposed to
look good. You're supposed to be in the hospital. And
I think he's kind of accepting where she's at and
he's still choosing to love her despite knowing that he
might lose her faster based on her condition.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Yeah, he's still being supportive despite like he's telling her
like we need you as president, like shit's falling apart,
you're giving power to Tom's Eric, and she she's not
interested in any of this, and like he still stays
with They still have like a nice home relationship. It
sounds like which has got to be weird if one
person is just like completely checked out while the other
(29:19):
is trying to hold together all the functions of the ship.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
I feel like that Adama's used to that kind of
like having to be the person that stands up and
holds it together. My favorite line in this show today
was sometimes I really hate this fucking job. But I think,
(29:45):
like for him, that job is worth it because when
he goes home, he gets to lay next to her
in her bald cap. Yes, And so I think you
just have to decide if you're what you're going through,
what you're in durry because of the state of this
person's like mental or physical health, is worth staying with them.
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I think a lot of men have issues with that.
Like I've heard so many horror stories of women who
are diagnosed with cancer or terminal illness and their husband's
divorce them like immediately, like done, I'm done with her,
And that's horrifying. So I think it's really cool to
see like a male role model that's staying with his
(30:31):
girl despite you know, her illness and the fact that
it's causing him more undue stress.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
I liked it. I think their relationship, it might not
be healthy, but it's what they got. I don't know
if Adama's ever had a relationship that was health because
we've never seen his relationship with his other wife, and
I think there was mentions of her being weird. I
don't know. Maybe I'm thinking of Helen ty No, we
spent an episode with his wife. I forgot it then
(31:00):
it was terrible. You don't remember that blonde lady like
an alcohol problem and that's what was Okay, see I
blonde alcoholic Helen Tye. I don't sell. I was like trying.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
I was confusing them and like zero chemistry with a Dama.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Yeah, okay. I think I blocked that out because I
didn't like it.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
It was a day in the life episode, which I
feel like the beginning of this episode did a better
like a day in the life of Adama than that
whole episode. There are several moments in this episode that
made me laugh like just a number of funny lines
in it.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Name one that I haven't already named.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
You haven't already named. Yeah, Well, there's all that stuff
I said about Tom's Derek calling everyone out. There's also
Chief Tyrrell. Just when he's trying to talk to them
about the FDL drives, he keeps confusing, oh, yeah, us
and then your chips and our stuff.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
He's very good your technology, our technology.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Yeah, and then Colonel Tie's like, maybe you need a
chart to sort it all out. And I feel like
that's even a little bit meta, just the show acknowledging that,
like things are kind of complicated.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Yeah. I like that. Chief Tyrol finds out that he's
not the biological father of Nikki, and nobody tells him explicitly,
but then he somehow finds out anyway, right, finds out
who it is, right, We don't know how he finds out,
but hot Dog finds out that he's the real father.
And they're both at Guyas's church thing, which is the
(32:37):
weirdest place.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
To be.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
To meet up with your baby mama's real baby father.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Look, there's a limit of like how many social gatherings
there are Neglecticus, I know.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
But that's the weirdest one for both of them to
be at. I didn't take Chief for one of those
people to go to a thing, but maybe he was
looking for hot Dog specifically, and he finds that motherfucker
and they just start beating each other up, and Balter
is just smoking a cigarette in the background, like this
is my life now. And then after they beat each
(33:12):
other up, it looks more like Chief has beating the
ship out of hot Dog than anything. Yeah, and afterwards
we cut to them at the hospital and it's like
an unspoken agreement that Nicky has two dads now.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Yeah, Like at first it seems like Chief is just
gonna leave Nicki with hot Dog. Yeah, we stop, but
he's like, we're going to raise him. We're going to
figure this out.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
I'm like, oh, I want to see that show.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Right, And I was happy to see hot Dog have
more lines. I thought he was gone. But a guy
named hot Dog had a kid man.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Yeah, and they established like a season ago that like
hot Dog was the guy that got around and he
was he was scratching Dog, scratching his crotch in that
episode and Heilo was like, I'm not sitting by you,
like he's got itchy dick, all right, anything else to cover.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
I mean, we can talk about guayas being like losing
his faith and all that, but I feel like that
wasn't as interesting. I did like his haircut though. Yeah,
he doesn't have that Jesus like wave going. He's got
like a military crew cut, and he looks clean.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
Yep, he's cleaned up, and I mean, yeah, he's just
kind of dealing with the same feelings existential crisis feelings
that everyone else is.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Yeah, he just doesn't have the cancer meds to stop
taking or anything.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
The thing is he has of a flock of sheep
as he put it, that will listen and do anything
he says, right, and he doesn't really know how to
wield that power.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Well, and he's kind of fucking it up by being
so negative. Yeah, the I think the over morale is
like kind of like seeping into everything where it's just
like negative nancies everywhere.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
All right, So real quick, you mentioned Tom z Eric
been sewing discontent in the fleet. He got that tillium
chip to jump away. It's thrown in the prison into
the brig as a conversation with the Damadama's bluffing with
that whole report on him.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
I believed it. I was so believing it, and he
believed it too.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
I was like, damn, he was trying to sell the presidency.
I don't know how he would have guessed that he
was actually trying to do that. He's like, this motherfucker would,
So I'm going to play. I'm going to like let
him think that he would, and I guess he would.
He's like, I know you want to steady in jail.
I know you would rather die because that would make
(35:47):
you a martyr for your cause. And instead, what I'm
going to do is humiliate you. I'm going to make
you look like a dirty politician, which is the thing
that you have been standing up against your whole life.
And I can't believe. Xeric was like, as the Tillian
ship was running away from the fleet and getting out
a formation, Galactica was trying to communicate with them, and
(36:10):
they were not taking the hails, and instead they talked
to colonial one and they're like, mister Vice President, there
are vipers coming towards us. What do we do? And
he's like apparently a lawyer now because he's like, oh,
you have rights, they're not allowed to get on your
ship without your permission, and you can do whatever you
(36:33):
want to do in self defense.
Speaker 4 (36:35):
And I'm like, uh, are you sure about that? Because
this is the fuel ship. If they leave, we're all fucked.
And so they jump out of range and we don't
know where they go. But apparently Xeric knows and he
like gives it up immediately. He had apparently he had
a pen and pad ready in his little pocket to
(36:55):
write it down.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
Yep, but all Dama had on him was laundry. Yeah,
but we do know that Zeric, you know, he works
outside of the political lines as well. He was really
involved in the black market and everything. Like, I don't
think he's doing it necessarily for immoral reasons. I think
he's trying. He does stuff outside the system but wants
(37:18):
to appear.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Like I feel like his morals are corrupted though, like
they're not fully.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
Moral for sure. I mean, look what he's getting into
with Gaeta.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Yeah, and when that guard was listening and he like
perked up when he said, we have plenty. I don't know.
I'm worried about Gata getting in bed with Zeric and
doing all this shit.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
An unlikely duo, but there they are. Shaking hands, right,
astral queen.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Who was the standout character in the episode.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Who's your astral Queen?
Speaker 3 (37:54):
I mean, there's a lot of people in this episode,
there were a lot of people. I'm thinking of giving
it to Gata just because he brought such an attitude
and made a lot of these scenes really fun. Earlier
in the series, I was always trying to think about, like, oh,
who was the one that did the most to save
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them from the crisis. But I just don't feel like
that's what the show is about anymore, Like it's all
all this internal drama.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Yeah, it's all internal. We haven't had a Cylon attack
and many many moons.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
Yeah, so I don't necessarily like the direction that Gata's
going in, But you were a lot of fun. It's
a lot of fun. Howsier.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
I think I'm going to give it to Adama for,
you know, just dealing with everybody's bullshit so well and
then being able to go home and have a like
intimate moment with his girlfriend.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
And admitting that his job sucks sometimes.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Yeah, that was Yeah, that was really relatable. That I
need that to be like my outgoing message or something.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
All right, Well, Felix Kata, William Madonna, your words are coming,
and that brings us to the end of this episode.
We're going to go into the spoiler section and probably
talk about what's happening in the next few episodes. There's
only a few episodes left to talk about, so if
you don't want to join us for that, then don't
see yourself out. We'll see you next time to be
(39:22):
talking about the episode the Oath. See sometimes the titles are.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Like really ominous.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
Yeah, sometimes a great notion, a disc whie that follows
my soul. Then it's like the Oath stereo stylus in
this group.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Brace for impact. Spoilers ahead. If you haven't seen the
whole series, now is the time to say goodbye. Remember
you can contact us at Spacingoutpod at gmail dot com,
find us on Facebook and Twitter, share your thoughts and
be a part of the discussion. Spoilers in five four,
(40:02):
three two one spoilers.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
So next couple episodes are just action packed with this
whole uprising that Gata and Zeric are getting into. So
it's a really exciting time in the show and they're
I feel like they're they're putting in the groundwork for
Gata for this, you know, whole kind of heel turne
he does to become more of a villain an antagonist
(40:28):
in the show.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
Not necessarily a villain because he's too fleshed out for that.
But yeah, what they didn't do with d basically they're
doing with Yata.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
Because he's a man. Yeah, yeah, that's cool. I'm sad
to see him go. I really am, because he's such
a fun character to have and I hate that he's
becoming an antagonist because he's been with the fleet for
so long and he's worked so hard to like have
some sort of like familial bonds that it just sucks
(40:58):
that they're gonna go soon.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
Yeah. I feel like Gaeta and d were such like
an integral part of the crew of Galactica. And to
see these characters getting washed away.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
As racist, Yeah, none of the white characters had to
go through this. They couldn't have made fucking what's his
name Cheerrol or what's his name, Biro? What's his name?
Speaker 3 (41:23):
Heilo?
Speaker 2 (41:23):
Bilo?
Speaker 3 (41:24):
When I say Cheero, like you were emerging characters.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
They're not going to make Hilo the bad guy because
he's married to a cylon just because you're married to
a Cylon doesn't mean you can't hate them, yeah shit.
If anything, it might mean you hate them more because
you're in bed with one.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
I'm ready for Ellen Ty to make her debut.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
She'll be back after they fight this out. Then we'll
get into a lot of Cylon stuff, Cylon backstory.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
I like that. Lea dam almost let it slip in
the she's dead. She couldn't do the pronoun game. Bro.
Speaker 3 (42:02):
Yeah, I don't know what else to really talk about.
I mean, we're just gonna we're gonna be experiencing these episodes.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
So, yeah, they'll find another Earth and Laura.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
Will die, Yeah she will.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
She will be the dying leader.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
She'll get pulled kind of back into her normal role
when all this shit hits the fan next episode, and
we're going to see a lot of our characters taking sides.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
You mean silent side versus human side? I mean Zeric
versus the world.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
Yeah, taking the side of the rebellion versus the Adama's command.
I guess. But yeah, I don't I have anything interesting
to say, so.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
We'll finish it here.
Speaker 3 (42:43):
Then. Thanks for coming, y'all, Thank you for joining us,
and remember this fucking blah blah, freaking.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
Blah blah blah and blah blah blah. That's a funny line.
Fucking Laura Roslind.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
Thank you for space out with Bob and Jason. You
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season four, episode thirteen, The Oath. We hope you will
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