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Welcome to Spacing Out With BB and Jason! We’re covering the 2004 reboot of Battlestar Galactica, and this week we’re discussing season 4 episode 19, “Daybreak part 1”. Thanks for joining us!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Spacing Out with BB and Jason this week
covering Battlestar Galacticas season four episode nineteen Daybreak, Part one.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Yeah, welcome back.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
I'm BB and I'm Jason, and this is Spacing Out
or today we will be discussing Battlestar Galactica. And if
you're new to the show, welcome and you've reached this
almost at the end. We usually have a spoiler section
at the end, but I think now we're just going
to forego that since we're at the finale, even though
there is one more episode we're going to watch. So
(00:38):
this episode is Battlestar Galactica season four, episode nineteen Daybreak,
Part one, and this originally aired on March thirteenth, two
thousand and nine. Written by Ronald D. Moore, directed by
Michael Rimer, which, by the way, that's the same team
that wrote the pilot, the mini series, and the survivor
count in this episode is thirty nine five and sixteen,
(01:00):
just down five from last week. In this episode, flashbacks
show the lives of several characters prior to the Silent
attack on the Colonies. Roslyn loses their family to a
drunk driving accident. Leah Dama meets karath Race for the
first time, Andrews is interviewed during his sporting career in
Baltar's relationship with his father and with Kaprica six is explored.
(01:21):
Present day Galactica is being stripped for parts while the
military prepares it transferred to the Bay Star, and then Adama,
through Anders learns the location of the colony in Hara,
so he asks for volunteers to go on I rescue
mission to save Hara, who cavils having studied for reproduction purposes.
Ew It is likely to be a final one way
(01:43):
mission for the Galactica.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Vibe check. Did we like the episode overall? How does
it stand the test of time?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
All?
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Right, we're here, We're at the finale.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
It's happening.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Could you imagine this when we started?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
I didn't think we get.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
I didn't think we were gonna get all the way through.
We still have one more episode, so we're still not
there yet. Yeah, and this next episode is going to
be two episodes to get back to back, so it's
going to be the longest episode that we've watched so far.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Yeah. Well, besides that movie, Yeah, the the mini series
was I think that way too.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Yeah, but yeah, I liked this episode. It's like a
great just deposition of where we were and how the
lives of some of the key members of this crew
where they started and now where they're at. I liked it.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
It was interesting. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
I've actually I've never watched it in this way because
I've always watched the extended of all three parts together
as kind of like one long movie. So I didn't
know how this was gonna feel because it is mostly
like flashbacks and this giving us backstory and kind of
comparing to present day and not a whole lot happens
(03:05):
in present day. No. I mean that the scene at
the end with them drawing the line and choosing sides
was really good. I think that really helped the episode
have something going for it, Yeah, because otherwise it would
have just been a lot of evacuation.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Yeah, yeah, I think it's setting us up for the
next parts, and that's cool.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
I like setup.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
I like that we're moving forward and that we're we're
engaging in more plot.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
But yeah, I like this episode.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
And then we can get more into it in the
deep dive or whatever we call it.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Well, let's learn a little bit of trivia.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Trivia time. What facts could we uncover for Daybreak Part one?
Speaker 3 (03:49):
As I mentioned, the DVD and Blu Ray releases of
the series contain a version of the finale that is
all three parts of the finale edited together, and it
contains about eleven minutes of extra footage, so we are
going to miss out on that. Ronald D. Moore said,
this was the intended version of the finale, but the
network would not go for a three hour finale, so
that's why they lopped off this first part. Some of
(04:11):
the extra scenes. Well, one extra scene I guess that
was cut from this part one of the episode would
be there's a flashback scene of Boomer and Hilo and Tyrol.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Dang, that would have been cool.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Yeah, And my understanding was that was actually a like
unused scene from the first season. They were saying something
in the commentary about how because Tyrol has gained weight,
like they couldn't really go back and shoot flashbacks with him.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
He gained weight.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Yeah, he was quite a bit skinnier in the beginning
of the show.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
We don't notice that. I didn't notice he gained weight.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
That's so rude.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
They're like, he's too fat, so we can't do flashbacks.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
I don't think they were rude about it. They were
just like, it's not going to match.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
It's about the story, not about the aesthetic. Bro rude.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Well, the flashback sequences or were originally intercut throughout the episode,
but then post production they were rearranged to be chronological
at the beginning of the episode, and many of the
flashbacks were pulled from the show Bible that Ronald D.
Moore had written at the beginning of the series, including
details about Roslin losing her family to a drunk driving accident.
(05:19):
You don't know what the show Bible is. That's like
the source of truth for all the information about the
series of characters, all their backstory. Well okay, so like
even though they don't necessarily show some of this stuff
on screen, like they have the like this was Roslin's story.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Line, their motivations and shit like that.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Yeah, and then they add to it at the show.
So if someone mentions like, oh, I have a brother
who's a firefighter, just in an off han comment like
that's now cannon and that's written down. So if a
brother ever comes up again, like they know that information.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Ah, okay, that's interesting. I didn't know they called it
a show bible.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Yep, so every show has one.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Mostly, Yeah, I would think so, at least for like
dram and stuff. I know comedies might, but sometimes comedies
are pretty loose.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
With the details.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Yeah, Anders flashback in the bathtub was shot in the
gem of the production office. To them being out of
money for locations.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
They've chose to put them in the bathtub too. That
was so weird.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I thought that was funny because all his scenes now
are in that tub water.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Yeah, and like.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
The actor like finally gets to act do some normal
lines and stuff, and they still put them in a tub.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
He's gonna get so wrinkly.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
That's all I got for trivia.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
For part one, Deep Space Dive, Let's break down some
of our thoughts on the episode. You can share your
thoughts with us through email or social media. We may
use your comments on an upcoming episode.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Let's dive into these flashbacks. I guess there was no
cold open on this episode. We went straight from the
recap into the title sequence, and then we went into
Caprica City for the fall.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Yeah. They have a lot of green space.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
I was like pleasantly surprised that there was so much
greenery in a city. I guess I live in a
city that's mostly parking lots, so it's nice to see
that there's like some sort of like urban development that
happened with intentionality to the public.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yeah, it looks nice.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
I mean Caprica City is supposed to be like the
main like the center of their government and everything. Like,
it's probably a well planned city.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Yeah, hopefully.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
So we see a Dama. He's in a job interview
and he does not want to undergo a lie detector test.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
Is that what it was? It wasn't very clear what
they were asking him to do. He's like, it's just
an hour of your time. I thought it was that
he had to be at the Galactica for the opening, like, oh,
look at this ancient ship.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
I'm pretending to be captain.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
No, I think this is like a this is a
few years before the start of the series.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
Oh I didn't What did the title card say? I
thought it said six months.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
No, it just said before the fall. Oh so yeah,
because like we see Lee and Kara meeting for the
first time. I think they they'll know each other for
a while before.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Yeah, Adama was about to get a desk job as
a civilian and then he backs out of it doesn't
feel like he's being respected.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
I guess people don't want to work these days.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
I think the most interesting flashbacks was with Baltar and
Number six and his father.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
Yeah, I really, I really liked that, the juxtaposition of him,
you know, drinking and being in a limo with the
sexy lady and then being interrupted by this mysterious phone
call and we don't know who it's from initially, and
I think maybe I personally thought it was maybe like
(08:59):
some science business yeah, yeah, And they cut to him
coming into this home that doesn't look like his home
because it's like average, it's not like super modern and rich.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
And then there's like a bunch of newspapers and stuff,
and then there's this old man and this nurse and
she apparently got stabbed by him, which for me, it
seems like a bad job for her because they should
have childlocks, and they should have all of the sharp
things in a place where he can't get to them,
(09:36):
like period, Like this should have never happened. And that's
like a deficit on her for not providing a safe
environment for somebody who requires care. It's not her, it's
not his fault that he acted on instinct because he
obviously has some mental deficiencies.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
So she's not.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Doing her job by not by not provide a safe
environment for herself and for the person that she's taking
care of, because he very well could have hurt himself
with that knife instead of her. So that was that
was a no no. There should be like a luck
on the kitchen. There should be some sort of barrier
(10:17):
so that he doesn't have access to knives, and he
shouldn't be touching knives. If there's something that needs to
be cut, you cut it beforehand and you prepare it
for him so that all he has maybe a fork maybe, motherfucker,
if you're stabbing bitches, you only get spoons in my house.
I just felt like that wasn't a no no on him.
(10:41):
He was like, you know, people with dementia do things
that are not logical. They're logical to them in their mind,
but it's not logical to hurt somebody, right, But yeah,
so you have to prepare yourself and you have to
create an environment where that is not possible.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
What is she doing?
Speaker 4 (11:00):
How did he even get a knife? She is not
doing her job and the fact that she was mad,
fucking crazy. I would have been like, I would have
obviously been like, hey, you know, we had an incident
at work today and unfortunately, you know, I fucked up,
and I need to go to the hospital to get
(11:21):
some stitches and maybe a tetanus shot. I can find
some a replacement because I'm sure they're working with an
agency that provided her services. So like I was just like,
I don't understand why this bitch is being such a bitch.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah, it seems.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Like that was like the last straw for her, But
I don't know, like, you know what line of work
you're in, Like.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
This isn't this is a normal monday.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
I don't think he's like that unusual of a patient
to have.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
No, he seemed cognitive enough. He just seems suspicious. And
so again, you create an environment that is safe for
both of you. You monitor him. You don't leave him
alone enough time for him to run to the kitchen
and grab a knife and then stab you. That's stupid,
that's not what you're doing. That's not your job to
(12:12):
leave somebody alone long enough to find a weapon to
hurt you with. They're supposed to be under constant supervision.
That's what you're getting paid for. I was upset with her,
and I feel like Guias was obviously very upset because
he had like an important function he was trying to attend,
and now nobody was there to take care of his dad,
(12:33):
so he had a miss on like a fancy date
with his fancy escort or whatever. I don't know how
he gets women, It's not clear. It seems like he's
paying them somehow.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
I don't know why.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
It just feels like he's paying for these women's time
in some way or yeah and so, and then I
was so freaked out when Guyas goes up to his
dad and starts smacking him with a newspaper, like that
is so unnecessary, that is elder abuse. I was more
upset about that than the dad stabbing the nurse. I
(13:13):
was so upset, and I'm like, that is not how
you treat your father. But I guess this was like
showing that Guias is obviously like very resentful to his
father for some reason, and his dad illustrates the point
that you know, Guias is ashamed of his background and
that he's changed his accent and that he doesn't acknowledge
(13:35):
where he comes from and all this stuff that is
probably true because Guias never talks about his upbringing like
at all.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Yeah, I think there is when he was in prison
awaiting trial, I think he does bring up that he
comes from like a farming family. And I think the
fact that he changed his accent came up as well
because he wanted to seem more sophisticated. Yeah, because he
was trying to relate more to the common man during
those times.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
Oh yeah, because he was trial. He's like, I am
a common man. I'm just deeply ashamed of it.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
He's like, yeah, he comes from like a poor community
and he's trying to pass his Kaeperkin.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Yeah. I think he's doing a good job.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
But as he's having this very like private, like very
personal interaction with the nurse and his father, it's like
a very deeply family affair, his escort is there just
watching and she's like, guys, that's your dad, And he's like, bitch,
this is none of your business. I told you to
(14:42):
stay in the car. And I feel like he's kind
of right. I don't even know your name and you're
putting your nose in my business. Get the fuck out
of here. I handle my shit the way I want
to handle it. But then later in the show, she
comes up to him, well, no, she's in his fucking house,
(15:03):
and she gives them a pamphlet of where they can
send her the dad.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Well, where she already sent his dad, which she.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Has no authority to do. I don't know how you
do that in a modern society.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
I don't think a stranger should be able to select
a person and put them in a care home.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
I don't think a stranger should be allowed to take
an elderly person out of their home without their because
the thing is like a person with dementia. If you're
kind enough and you're able to persuade them, if you're
if you if you don't have like a certain aura
about you that makes them feel unthreatened, they're going to
follow you. They're going to say, okay, yeah, especially if
(15:43):
she leads with your son told me that I could
help you, and you remember me, I was here yesterday,
and let's take you here, Like that's totally illegal, or
it should be. And I didn't realize she had already
sent him there.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Yeah, he said, like they were setting up his room
just like it is at the house, And.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Oh, yeah, I don't like that. I would hate that.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
I'd be like, you have no power, no authority. You
could have texted me. You could have texted me, you
could have told me, hey girl, like or hey, g
you know, do you want to meet me at your
dad's house so we can get him set up at
this place and then send me a link to the website.
And if it's it's probably just as expensive to hire
(16:29):
an in home care assistant. But it's probably not a
bad idea. Honestly, it's not a bad idea, but the
execution was really sketch.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Yeah, So I'm not entirely sure if Number six is
doing this out of like genuine care for guyas and
his father, or if it's just part of her tactic
to get closer to him to get those defense codes
that he gives there. Eventually it could be bo yeah,
because she doesn't play it as being devious. She's portrayed
(16:58):
as being very since here.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Yeah, but with like poor execution still in my opinion, like,
I don't want you taking my father out of his
home without my permission.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
I'm sure there's.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Got to be like some sort of paperwork that I'm
responsible to sign in order for this to happen. How
did you even pay? The first month got to be
a minimum of three thousand dollars to take somebody into
a care home. That's a minimum a month, three thousand
a month. Where did she get the cash to put
him in there?
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Just got that Sylon make account.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
I guess they're like, you have the credit card, use
it wisely.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
She's like, I'm getting this old man a garden.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
He's got a view and everything. Second floor walk up. No,
they probably have elevators, but yeah, I don't know. It's interesting.
I would be very suspicious personally if somebody came into
my house without having a key or permission, taking my
father out of his home and putting him into an
(17:56):
institution that I don't know. This brochure, he can make
a brochure, but yeah, I would be very suspicious. I
wouldn't be like, oh, yeah, this is a great I
love that. Plus, I have a lady who just like barked.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
At me or something. I don't remember what she did.
She I don't know what that was.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
It was like a sexy bite thing and I'm like,
she's in the bedroom waiting for me.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
So I don't, I don't know you, I don't, I don't.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
Like, trust you, and I don't know how to deal
with this right now, because obviously I'm horny. I don't
know this situation. I wouldn't know how to handle it personally.
I would be very cross though.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Well, I mean he is at first, but then we
get the sense so like this is going to be
a huge weight lifted off of him.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
Yeah, I don't know how he hadn't thought of it
before to put him in assisted living. Oh maybe Dad
was like, I ain't going nowhere. I'm staying in my house.
No one can take me out of my house because
that happens a lot, That.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Happens so much.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Or maybe he just didn't think there would be the
quality of care of these facilities.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
I mean, sometimes there isn't. That's why I wouldn't trust
somebody with a brochure. I'd want to personally go in
and not only go in during visiting hours, but pop
in randomly and be like, hey, I'm just checking to
see what's going on. And if I see a lot
of seniors with diapers on just sitting in a row,
I'm out.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
I'm out.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
I want there to be activities, I want there to
be recreation. I want there to be like some sort
of community, and I would need to see that in person,
because again, anyone can print a brochure and be like, oh, yeah,
we offer all these great things.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
All right.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
I know some of these flashbacks are going to roll
onto the next episode. I don't remember if this one
does or not. Well.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
I liked Laura's flashback with her sisters.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Yeah, so we see some of her family there with
her two sisters, and we see her dad in a photo,
and then tragedy strikes.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
Yeah so I didn't know her family died in a
car accident with a drunk driver. I feel like knowing
that and seeing Bill Adama drinking himself to oblivion in
some of these episodes, she should have had a different
reaction personally. I feel like I would have a more
like hard stance on being like, this is fucking wrong
(20:18):
what you're doing. And I know you're not driving a car,
but you're in charge of a massive warship and you're
drinking on the job. And I would feel that she
would also have a different type of relationship with Tie
being a chronic alcoholic too. It would have been more
interesting to see her have like some sort of problem
(20:38):
whenever people were drinking excessively because I think that would
change me completely in the way that I perceive and
interact with people who are completely drunk.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Yeah, I can see that.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
I wish they would have done something with that, just
to like give you hints and then this explains it.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
That would have been really good.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
But like talking about how the flashbacks don't work because
people have changed, she looked old as hell at that
baby shower, like she was still allowed to be in
a flashback being old as hell at.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
A baby shower.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
So I feel like, again, this is problematic that, like
she got her flashback even though she's obviously aged. How
come we couldn't get a little chunky tearrol to do
a flashback? And he just has an issue with yo
yo waiting, like he gains and loses weight. A lot
of people have.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Issues like that.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
They could have put him in a gym, just like
fucking Honders, and he was working out on a treadmill
saying I'm trying to lose weight for this assignment.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
And then that was it, Like we fixed the plot hole. Well,
they already had footage of him the youth, I guess.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
But then so we see some time passes and Roslin
is eating sushi. Yeah, she's saying she's not going to
join the presidential campaign, which, of course we know that
she does get involved in politics. She becomes a te
the Secretary Education, and she's also being set up on
a blind date, which we do not see anything about.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
Yeah, I'd be like googling that guy. As soon as
I got off the phone. I thought it was like
a week after her parents died, or her family died.
That they were like, you need to get out there,
you need to start dating, you need to move on
with your life. I wish there was a better way
to tell us what time we're in. She mentioned it
(22:24):
had been three months.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
That's not enough.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Time after your whole family dies, and you're like, oh, yeah,
I'm just eating sushi, you know, talking about dating.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
I wouldn't feel good.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
I would still be like in a pit of despair
because I lost my whole family.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
I don't buy three weeks or three months is still
not enough. Give me three years. But they had her
in a different wig too, did you notice. Yeah, so
that woman just stays in wigs. I just saw an
ad for the Fall of a House of Usher and
she was in it, and she had this awful blonde wig. Yeah,
(23:10):
it's good to see her working still though, who else
I really liked Honders and how eloquent he kind.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Of was in his bathtub.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
Yeah, it was weird to see him in a bathtub.
It was weird, and his nipples were out. They kind
of like, I don't know. Yeah, he's just talking about
sports and how he wants to be perfect. He's like,
it's not about the score, it's not about winning, it's
about the performance, about making the perfect throw and having
the perfect catch. He was like talking about math, and
(23:42):
I'm like, you lost me, You lost me. And I'm
like thinking about this pyramid game from when I saw
it last and I'm like.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
I don't think it's that deep, bro, But it would.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
Have been cool if any at any point, like if
they had the budget to show us what a real
pyramid court was supposed to look like.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Right, because what we see.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
Is like the homemade post apocalyptic versions.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Yeah, it's like a pickup game of basketball versus like,
you know, ANFL game.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Yeah yeah, oh yeah, not NFL. NFL is the football one.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Yeah, it would have been cool to see like an
imagining of that even an empty court, but that would
have required a budget or something. But it could have
been something that they did, like in photoshop like they
did Caprica City.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Yeah, like a digital rendering.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
Well, sounds like they ran out of the money because
they had the shoot in the production office.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Yeah, it was really fun to see hot Dog interacting
with Colonel Adama. Admiral Admiral Adama. Who's Colonel Tye? Oh,
Colonel ty Okay? Yeah, sorry, I always.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Get this confused.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
It's only seventy episodes.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
It's confusing. Admiral Adama Aa okay, Yeah, they a lot
of them do, like some of the main characters definitely do.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
But hot Dog is running around with like a bag
full of pictures and a baby girl, no, a baby boy.
He's got Nikki on his shoulder or on his side.
I was wondering if he was hanging out with that child. Yeah,
I think uh Tyrrell after he got out of jail,
and we never found out how he got out of jail.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Uh no, because he was there in that final scene.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
Then yeah, yeah, he was supposed to be in jail.
But after he's out of jail, he's like, fuck that kid.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Because we see him in jail when he's talking to Helo.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
But yeah, they got him out of jail and it's
not explained. But anyway, Colonel or Admiral Adama like bumps
into hot Dog and then causes him to like drop
all these pictures and he's like, oh, let me help
you because I fucked you up here, and he's like
a and then hot Dogs explaining these are all the
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pilots and we're just taking them down because you know,
we don't want them to be left behind. And there's
still pictures up there of people who were are forgot
because whoever put up their pictures probably gone. We've lost
them along the way. And I feel like that's so real, like.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Yeah, because everyone is packing up, we see like a
Dama packing boxes and stuff and everyone's clearing out the
photo memorial hallway.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
Yeah, and when you go to it, like when when
we finally see it, it looks so different from the
other images we've used to be seen, like hundreds of
photographs of different people and now it's just like very sparse,
but it's still like got some faces there, and a
Dama's walking by looking at them, and then he notices
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Hara is on there and he like looks at it
for a while and then he walks away that he stops,
and then he comes back and grabs the picture. And
that's kind of like incentive to be like, she is
not dead, she is lost and we will find her.
And he goes to Anders and Kara's there and he's like,
I got a question.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Can you turn him on? And she's like, I can
turn on my husband. I know how to do that.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
And they turn him on and he starts talking about
stuff again.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
The dama is not like comfortable seeing this.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
No, and Kara's like, you got your question. He's like,
you ask that was so funny. He's like, no, you
ask him. I'm cool. But apparently Anders knows the answer
to their question and somehow is able to relay it,
which I don't know how they got that got there.
Did he print it off or what's going on?
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Probably gave him coordinates or something.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
That's wild that he answered like a question, because like
every interaction with these goddamn hybrids has been like I'm
going to answer your question with another question.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Here's a limerick or whatever, and I'm like, I don't
get it. I don't understand what they're saying.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
You probably quoted some song lyrics and they had to
interpret it.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
Yeah, but they figured it out. And now Adama's like, everybody,
everybody meet me in the hangar deck right now and
him and is it Starbuck have a roll of duct
tape and I'm like, oh man, they probably could have
used that duct tape for packing.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
No, this is their special red tape.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
For making lines in the sand. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
And so they make this line down the middle of
the hangar deck and they're like, you stand on this
side if you want to volunteer, you stand on that
side if you're cool and you don't want to join.
It's completely voluntary. And Tori is on the fence about it,
and I love that for her. Yeah, and she's still
on the fence, but everybody, all the asylums are like, no,
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you're coming, bitch, you're part of this. And I feel
like she should have been allowed to stay back.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
Yeah, and was basically like, you're coming with us.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Yeah, and so did Tyrol. Tyrol grabbed her and was
like come on. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
And we also see like some of the pilots like
racetrack and stuff, they've been let out of prison for this.
So I think that's why chiefs out too, like they
think they brought everyone there.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
Oh, okay, do you see hot Dog's gonna cross over
and leave the kid on the other side.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Oh, we saw him crossover and the kid wasn't with them.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
So yeah, they're passing off that kid to some other dude.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Yeah, I honestly don't remember if we see that kid.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Fucking Nikki Man.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Then oh uh. Doc Coddle tries to cross and Adama
stops him and we learn his first name is Sherman.
We've never heard that before.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
Right, He's like, we can't afford to lose a doctor.
You better go back, and he looked.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
So sad going back. Right.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
I was so sad for him, like he should be
allowed to go. But he's kind of right. The colony
can't afford to lose a doctor that does all the
things that he does.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Yeah, but his nurse, it's always with him. She was
allowed to cross the Yeah. Yeah, she's just a nurse.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
You know. We can afford to lose nurses apparently.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
But that was a pretty interesting scene to see how
many people still believe that there's hope for I don't
know if this is hope for the cylons, hope for
their crew may hope for this like Little Girl, but
it's like maybe a third or a fourth of the
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ship moves to the side.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Yeah, say, probably about a third looked like Yeah, I
mean it's a pretty powerful scene, like setting up like
this is the last mission for the Galactica, like we
don't expect to come back.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Do you think that was all the people in the
cast and crew or I mean in the cast, I.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Would think like most of our regular like recurring characters
are there.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
I'm trying to think of the world there be anyone
that's just on the different ships that wouldn't have been there.
I don't know like everyone, but I didn't get to
like scan the crowd decision. I don't know anything for
every person.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
You know, most of the background characters are pretty generic.
But I'm wondering if they did anything with like photoshop
or after effects to make it look like a bigger crowd.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Very likely, because I know that that set is not
as big as it looks like. It's a there's a
digital extension to it, uh huh. So it's possible that
like they had the fill in the back of the
crowd as well. When they do that wide that way,
wide shot of the entire group. Baltar was there, and
I don't think we saw his decision. I think we
saw him sweating it. Yeah, And prior to that, we
(31:39):
saw him have a confrontation with Lee. I think he's
trying to get his group to have a seat in
the government, and Lee accuses him of never doing a
single selfless thing.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
In his life or if if it looks like it's
a selfishless sact, there's some sort of benefit to him
in some way or form.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Yeah, speaking of Lee, Like, that's the one flashback we
didn't touch on. He meets Kara Thrace for the first
time and his brother is there, Zach, which is the
same actor from back in season one.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
That's cool. I like that He's like, this one's mine.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Yeah, And as we all know, Lee respected that request.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Yeah, sure he did so.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Yeah. We basically we see them meet and then later
we see Lee arriving home drunk with a pigeon trapped
in his house.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
That was funny.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
I was like, I don't get it. Did he come
home drunk from that from that meeting or has he
been hanging out with them a lot? And like this
is one of many nights of him coming home drunk
like this.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
It's not clear. I will say. I know, like this
is a flashback that will continue in part two, so
we'll see more of it. The pigeon, Yeah, the whole
pigeon and Lee Kara Zach Okay, that's cool. Yeah, and
I think we touched on everything. Do you have anything
else to bring up?
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Not at this time.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
I'm I think, oh, well, maybe we can talk about
how Harra is in the cylom base ship and there
she's not eating enough and so they're going to resort
to putting her on a feeding tube, which I think
is like a little extreme. I feel like they.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Have a Sharon.
Speaker 4 (33:18):
She can probably get the kid to eat some apple
sauce or something with some protein powder.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
So Boomer is there, and she's the only one like
advocating for hair to be treated as a person and
not an object. Yeah, Cavil just wants that genetic code. Simon.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
The doctor is seems willing to just see nicer do whatever.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
Yeah, he pulls out that scary pointy thing and the
thing is for a feeding tube, you don't necessarily need
to operate. You can do one through the nose into
the stomach and do that do it that way, so
it's not like something that can that needs to be
like an operation would just like I would recommend maybe
(34:02):
putting her under and then just like sliding the tube
down her nose, put a little band aid there and done,
You're done. You put in the little insure shakes in there,
and she's eaten good. In the neighborhood, she's still drawing
those dots that Starbuck had the code of as music notes.
And then we also see Starbuck like trying to work
(34:24):
on that project when she's hanging out with Anders. He's
trying to turn it into math.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Oh I hate this. Yeah, there's a lot of mass
in this episode. It was a lot. But yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
So Hara is being kept at the colony, and the
colony is orbiting a black hole and there's only one
location where a ship can jump in and out to
get to it. So that's kind of where we leave it.
Them trying to plan that attack right and realizing how
shitty it's going to be.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
I'm excited.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
This is the final confrontation before the end, and I'm
sure it'll be really exciting. Maybe they spent their budget
on that battle.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
No, they show up and they get shot out of
the sky.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
That's it. The end.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Astral queen who was the standout character in the episode?
Speaker 2 (35:16):
All right, do you have an astral queen?
Speaker 3 (35:19):
I was thinking my astral queen would be the Admiral Adama. Yes,
he's the only one. Well basically, I mean this episode
is all flashbacks. He's the one that kind of I
liked his speech rallying everyone at the end to pick aside.
And he also he solved the problem of figuring out
(35:40):
where Harah is from when he saw that photo.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
He had the idea to go talk.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
To Onders, and I just seem like he kind of
did the most in the present timeline.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
I'm gonna give mine to Guius's dad for stabbing that
dumb nurse and colling Caprica six escort. Okay, he had
the most charisma and he was just like really alive.
(36:13):
So yeah, that's who I'm giving it too. Who else
would I pick?
Speaker 3 (36:18):
I don't know, number six for kidnapping his dad.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
No, I don't like that.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
No, I feel like the very short scene he was
on he was very memorable, that old man.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Yeah, all right, well then Admiral Odama and looks like
his name is Julius Julius Baltar. We'll have to find
your address at the care home and send you your award.
What's next. That's the end. We're not doing a spoiler section.
So that wraps up Daybreak Part one, and so next
time we are covering both parts two and three, because
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that is how it originally aired. If you're watching it
on streaming, it's likely split into two separate episodes, so
just watch.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Both of them.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
And I'm excited to be here at the end. Who knew?
Who knew we would get here? Took almost three years.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
It took three years, Yeah, for us to get through this.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
Yep. We started in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
During the pandemic. Yeah, I believe.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
So we're like, we have nothing to do, let's start
this pandemic podcast.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
Oh yeah. It's like seventy some episodes depending on how
you count them. So yeah, it took us a little
while we did. I mean shortly after we started, I
ended up moving across the country and we had to
stop for several months.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
So yeah, across the country, but like from Kansas City
to Houston.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
Yeah, it's still cross country.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
That's like hass across. It's not like from LA to
New York. It's down the country.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
Yeah, anyway, that's it, So join us for the finale.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Who Ruthie, shut the fuck up? I'm trying to sign
up all right.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
Thank you for joining us, and be sure to catch
us in the next one. Remember to follow us on
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or maybe a spin off.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
So what does it say? What do they say when
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Speaker 1 (38:13):
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season four, episode twenty day Break, Parts two and three.
We hope you will join us, So say we all
Welcome to Spacing Out with BB and Jason this week
covering Battlestar Galacticas season four episode nineteen Daybreak, Part one.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Yeah, welcome back.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
I'm BB and I'm Jason, and this is Spacing Out
or today we will be discussing Battlestar Galactica. And if
you're new to the show, welcome and you've reached this
almost at the end. We usually have a spoiler section
at the end, but I think now we're just going
to forego that since we're at the finale, even though
there is one more episode we're going to watch. So
(00:38):
this episode is Battlestar Galactica season four, episode nineteen Daybreak,
Part one, and this originally aired on March thirteenth, two
thousand and nine. Written by Ronald D. Moore, directed by
Michael Rimer, which, by the way, that's the same team
that wrote the pilot, the mini series, and the survivor
count in this episode is thirty nine five and sixteen,
(01:00):
just down five from last week. In this episode, flashbacks
show the lives of several characters prior to the Silent
attack on the Colonies. Roslyn loses their family to a
drunk driving accident. Leah Dama meets karath Race for the
first time, Andrews is interviewed during his sporting career in
Baltar's relationship with his father and with Kaprica six is explored.
(01:21):
Present day Galactica is being stripped for parts while the
military prepares it transferred to the Bay Star, and then Adama,
through Anders learns the location of the colony in Hara,
so he asks for volunteers to go on I rescue
mission to save Hara, who cavils having studied for reproduction purposes.
Ew It is likely to be a final one way
(01:43):
mission for the Galactica.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Vibe check. Did we like the episode overall? How does
it stand the test of time?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
All?
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Right, we're here, We're at the finale.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
It's happening.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Could you imagine this when we started?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
I didn't think we get.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
I didn't think we were gonna get all the way through.
We still have one more episode, so we're still not
there yet. Yeah, and this next episode is going to
be two episodes to get back to back, so it's
going to be the longest episode that we've watched so far.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Yeah. Well, besides that movie, Yeah, the the mini series
was I think that way too.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Yeah, but yeah, I liked this episode. It's like a
great just deposition of where we were and how the
lives of some of the key members of this crew
where they started and now where they're at. I liked it.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
It was interesting. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
I've actually I've never watched it in this way because
I've always watched the extended of all three parts together
as kind of like one long movie. So I didn't
know how this was gonna feel because it is mostly
like flashbacks and this giving us backstory and kind of
comparing to present day and not a whole lot happens
(03:05):
in present day. No. I mean that the scene at
the end with them drawing the line and choosing sides
was really good. I think that really helped the episode
have something going for it, Yeah, because otherwise it would
have just been a lot of evacuation.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Yeah, yeah, I think it's setting us up for the
next parts, and that's cool.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
I like setup.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
I like that we're moving forward and that we're we're
engaging in more plot.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
But yeah, I like this episode.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
And then we can get more into it in the
deep dive or whatever we call it.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Well, let's learn a little bit of trivia.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Trivia time. What facts could we uncover for Daybreak Part one?
Speaker 3 (03:49):
As I mentioned, the DVD and Blu Ray releases of
the series contain a version of the finale that is
all three parts of the finale edited together, and it
contains about eleven minutes of extra footage, so we are
going to miss out on that. Ronald D. Moore said,
this was the intended version of the finale, but the
network would not go for a three hour finale, so
that's why they lopped off this first part. Some of
(04:11):
the extra scenes. Well, one extra scene I guess that
was cut from this part one of the episode would
be there's a flashback scene of Boomer and Hilo and Tyrol.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Dang, that would have been cool.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Yeah, And my understanding was that was actually a like
unused scene from the first season. They were saying something
in the commentary about how because Tyrol has gained weight,
like they couldn't really go back and shoot flashbacks with him.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
He gained weight.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Yeah, he was quite a bit skinnier in the beginning
of the show.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
We don't notice that. I didn't notice he gained weight.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
That's so rude.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
They're like, he's too fat, so we can't do flashbacks.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
I don't think they were rude about it. They were
just like, it's not going to match.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
It's about the story, not about the aesthetic. Bro rude.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Well, the flashback sequences or were originally intercut throughout the episode,
but then post production they were rearranged to be chronological
at the beginning of the episode, and many of the
flashbacks were pulled from the show Bible that Ronald D.
Moore had written at the beginning of the series, including
details about Roslin losing her family to a drunk driving accident.
(05:19):
You don't know what the show Bible is. That's like
the source of truth for all the information about the
series of characters, all their backstory. Well okay, so like
even though they don't necessarily show some of this stuff
on screen, like they have the like this was Roslin's story.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Line, their motivations and shit like that.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Yeah, and then they add to it at the show.
So if someone mentions like, oh, I have a brother
who's a firefighter, just in an off han comment like
that's now cannon and that's written down. So if a
brother ever comes up again, like they know that information.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Ah, okay, that's interesting. I didn't know they called it
a show bible.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Yep, so every show has one.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Mostly, Yeah, I would think so, at least for like
dram and stuff. I know comedies might, but sometimes comedies
are pretty loose.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
With the details.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Yeah, Anders flashback in the bathtub was shot in the
gem of the production office. To them being out of
money for locations.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
They've chose to put them in the bathtub too. That
was so weird.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I thought that was funny because all his scenes now
are in that tub water.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Yeah, and like.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
The actor like finally gets to act do some normal
lines and stuff, and they still put them in a tub.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
He's gonna get so wrinkly.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
That's all I got for trivia.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
For part one, Deep Space Dive, Let's break down some
of our thoughts on the episode. You can share your
thoughts with us through email or social media. We may
use your comments on an upcoming episode.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Let's dive into these flashbacks. I guess there was no
cold open on this episode. We went straight from the
recap into the title sequence, and then we went into
Caprica City for the fall.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Yeah. They have a lot of green space.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
I was like pleasantly surprised that there was so much
greenery in a city. I guess I live in a
city that's mostly parking lots, so it's nice to see
that there's like some sort of like urban development that
happened with intentionality to the public.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yeah, it looks nice.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
I mean Caprica City is supposed to be like the
main like the center of their government and everything. Like,
it's probably a well planned city.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Yeah, hopefully.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
So we see a Dama. He's in a job interview
and he does not want to undergo a lie detector test.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
Is that what it was? It wasn't very clear what
they were asking him to do. He's like, it's just
an hour of your time. I thought it was that
he had to be at the Galactica for the opening, like, oh,
look at this ancient ship.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
I'm pretending to be captain.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
No, I think this is like a this is a
few years before the start of the series.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
Oh I didn't What did the title card say? I
thought it said six months.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
No, it just said before the fall. Oh so yeah,
because like we see Lee and Kara meeting for the
first time. I think they they'll know each other for
a while before.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Yeah, Adama was about to get a desk job as
a civilian and then he backs out of it doesn't
feel like he's being respected.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
I guess people don't want to work these days.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
I think the most interesting flashbacks was with Baltar and
Number six and his father.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
Yeah, I really, I really liked that, the juxtaposition of him,
you know, drinking and being in a limo with the
sexy lady and then being interrupted by this mysterious phone
call and we don't know who it's from initially, and
I think maybe I personally thought it was maybe like
(08:59):
some science business yeah, yeah, And they cut to him
coming into this home that doesn't look like his home
because it's like average, it's not like super modern and rich.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
And then there's like a bunch of newspapers and stuff,
and then there's this old man and this nurse and
she apparently got stabbed by him, which for me, it
seems like a bad job for her because they should
have childlocks, and they should have all of the sharp
things in a place where he can't get to them,
(09:36):
like period, Like this should have never happened. And that's
like a deficit on her for not providing a safe
environment for somebody who requires care. It's not her, it's
not his fault that he acted on instinct because he
obviously has some mental deficiencies.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
So she's not.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Doing her job by not by not provide a safe
environment for herself and for the person that she's taking
care of, because he very well could have hurt himself
with that knife instead of her. So that was that
was a no no. There should be like a luck
on the kitchen. There should be some sort of barrier
(10:17):
so that he doesn't have access to knives, and he
shouldn't be touching knives. If there's something that needs to
be cut, you cut it beforehand and you prepare it
for him so that all he has maybe a fork maybe, motherfucker,
if you're stabbing bitches, you only get spoons in my house.
I just felt like that wasn't a no no on him.
(10:41):
He was like, you know, people with dementia do things
that are not logical. They're logical to them in their mind,
but it's not logical to hurt somebody, right, But yeah,
so you have to prepare yourself and you have to
create an environment where that is not possible.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
What is she doing?
Speaker 4 (11:00):
How did he even get a knife? She is not
doing her job and the fact that she was mad,
fucking crazy. I would have been like, I would have
obviously been like, hey, you know, we had an incident
at work today and unfortunately, you know, I fucked up,
and I need to go to the hospital to get
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some stitches and maybe a tetanus shot. I can find
some a replacement because I'm sure they're working with an
agency that provided her services. So like I was just like,
I don't understand why this bitch is being such a bitch.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah, it seems.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Like that was like the last straw for her, But
I don't know, like, you know what line of work
you're in, Like.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
This isn't this is a normal monday.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
I don't think he's like that unusual of a patient
to have.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
No, he seemed cognitive enough. He just seems suspicious. And
so again, you create an environment that is safe for
both of you. You monitor him. You don't leave him
alone enough time for him to run to the kitchen
and grab a knife and then stab you. That's stupid,
that's not what you're doing. That's not your job to
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leave somebody alone long enough to find a weapon to
hurt you with. They're supposed to be under constant supervision.
That's what you're getting paid for. I was upset with her,
and I feel like Guias was obviously very upset because
he had like an important function he was trying to attend,
and now nobody was there to take care of his dad,
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so he had a miss on like a fancy date
with his fancy escort or whatever. I don't know how
he gets women, It's not clear. It seems like he's
paying them somehow.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
I don't know why.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
It just feels like he's paying for these women's time
in some way or yeah and so, and then I
was so freaked out when Guyas goes up to his
dad and starts smacking him with a newspaper, like that
is so unnecessary, that is elder abuse. I was more
upset about that than the dad stabbing the nurse. I
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was so upset, and I'm like, that is not how
you treat your father. But I guess this was like
showing that Guias is obviously like very resentful to his
father for some reason, and his dad illustrates the point
that you know, Guias is ashamed of his background and
that he's changed his accent and that he doesn't acknowledge
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where he comes from and all this stuff that is
probably true because Guias never talks about his upbringing like
at all.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Yeah, I think there is when he was in prison
awaiting trial, I think he does bring up that he
comes from like a farming family. And I think the
fact that he changed his accent came up as well
because he wanted to seem more sophisticated. Yeah, because he
was trying to relate more to the common man during
those times.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
Oh yeah, because he was trial. He's like, I am
a common man. I'm just deeply ashamed of it.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
He's like, yeah, he comes from like a poor community
and he's trying to pass his Kaeperkin.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Yeah. I think he's doing a good job.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
But as he's having this very like private, like very
personal interaction with the nurse and his father, it's like
a very deeply family affair, his escort is there just
watching and she's like, guys, that's your dad, And he's like, bitch,
this is none of your business. I told you to
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stay in the car. And I feel like he's kind
of right. I don't even know your name and you're
putting your nose in my business. Get the fuck out
of here. I handle my shit the way I want
to handle it. But then later in the show, she
comes up to him, well, no, she's in his fucking house,
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and she gives them a pamphlet of where they can
send her the dad.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Well, where she already sent his dad, which she.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Has no authority to do. I don't know how you
do that in a modern society.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
I don't think a stranger should be able to select
a person and put them in a care home.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
I don't think a stranger should be allowed to take
an elderly person out of their home without their because
the thing is like a person with dementia. If you're
kind enough and you're able to persuade them, if you're
if you if you don't have like a certain aura
about you that makes them feel unthreatened, they're going to
follow you. They're going to say, okay, yeah, especially if
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she leads with your son told me that I could
help you, and you remember me, I was here yesterday,
and let's take you here, Like that's totally illegal, or
it should be. And I didn't realize she had already
sent him there.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Yeah, he said, like they were setting up his room
just like it is at the house, And.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Oh, yeah, I don't like that. I would hate that.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
I'd be like, you have no power, no authority. You
could have texted me. You could have texted me, you
could have told me, hey girl, like or hey, g
you know, do you want to meet me at your
dad's house so we can get him set up at
this place and then send me a link to the website.
And if it's it's probably just as expensive to hire
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an in home care assistant. But it's probably not a
bad idea. Honestly, it's not a bad idea, but the
execution was really sketch.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Yeah, So I'm not entirely sure if Number six is
doing this out of like genuine care for guyas and
his father, or if it's just part of her tactic
to get closer to him to get those defense codes
that he gives there. Eventually it could be bo yeah,
because she doesn't play it as being devious. She's portrayed
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as being very since here.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Yeah, but with like poor execution still in my opinion, like,
I don't want you taking my father out of his
home without my permission.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
I'm sure there's.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Got to be like some sort of paperwork that I'm
responsible to sign in order for this to happen. How
did you even pay? The first month got to be
a minimum of three thousand dollars to take somebody into
a care home. That's a minimum a month, three thousand
a month. Where did she get the cash to put
him in there?
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Just got that Sylon make account.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
I guess they're like, you have the credit card, use
it wisely.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
She's like, I'm getting this old man a garden.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
He's got a view and everything. Second floor walk up. No,
they probably have elevators, but yeah, I don't know. It's interesting.
I would be very suspicious personally if somebody came into
my house without having a key or permission, taking my
father out of his home and putting him into an
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institution that I don't know. This brochure, he can make
a brochure, but yeah, I would be very suspicious. I
wouldn't be like, oh, yeah, this is a great I
love that. Plus, I have a lady who just like barked.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
At me or something. I don't remember what she did.
She I don't know what that was.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
It was like a sexy bite thing and I'm like,
she's in the bedroom waiting for me.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
So I don't, I don't know you, I don't, I don't.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
Like, trust you, and I don't know how to deal
with this right now, because obviously I'm horny. I don't
know this situation. I wouldn't know how to handle it personally.
I would be very cross though.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Well, I mean he is at first, but then we
get the sense so like this is going to be
a huge weight lifted off of him.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
Yeah, I don't know how he hadn't thought of it
before to put him in assisted living. Oh maybe Dad
was like, I ain't going nowhere. I'm staying in my house.
No one can take me out of my house because
that happens a lot, That.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Happens so much.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Or maybe he just didn't think there would be the
quality of care of these facilities.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
I mean, sometimes there isn't. That's why I wouldn't trust
somebody with a brochure. I'd want to personally go in
and not only go in during visiting hours, but pop
in randomly and be like, hey, I'm just checking to
see what's going on. And if I see a lot
of seniors with diapers on just sitting in a row,
I'm out.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
I'm out.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
I want there to be activities, I want there to
be recreation. I want there to be like some sort
of community, and I would need to see that in person,
because again, anyone can print a brochure and be like, oh, yeah,
we offer all these great things.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
All right.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
I know some of these flashbacks are going to roll
onto the next episode. I don't remember if this one
does or not. Well.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
I liked Laura's flashback with her sisters.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Yeah, so we see some of her family there with
her two sisters, and we see her dad in a photo,
and then tragedy strikes.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
Yeah so I didn't know her family died in a
car accident with a drunk driver. I feel like knowing
that and seeing Bill Adama drinking himself to oblivion in
some of these episodes, she should have had a different
reaction personally. I feel like I would have a more
like hard stance on being like, this is fucking wrong
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what you're doing. And I know you're not driving a car,
but you're in charge of a massive warship and you're
drinking on the job. And I would feel that she
would also have a different type of relationship with Tie
being a chronic alcoholic too. It would have been more
interesting to see her have like some sort of problem
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whenever people were drinking excessively because I think that would
change me completely in the way that I perceive and
interact with people who are completely drunk.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Yeah, I can see that.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
I wish they would have done something with that, just
to like give you hints and then this explains it.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
That would have been really good.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
But like talking about how the flashbacks don't work because
people have changed, she looked old as hell at that
baby shower, like she was still allowed to be in
a flashback being old as hell at.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
A baby shower.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
So I feel like, again, this is problematic that, like
she got her flashback even though she's obviously aged. How
come we couldn't get a little chunky tearrol to do
a flashback? And he just has an issue with yo
yo waiting, like he gains and loses weight. A lot
of people have.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Issues like that.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
They could have put him in a gym, just like
fucking Honders, and he was working out on a treadmill
saying I'm trying to lose weight for this assignment.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
And then that was it, Like we fixed the plot hole. Well,
they already had footage of him the youth, I guess.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
But then so we see some time passes and Roslin
is eating sushi. Yeah, she's saying she's not going to
join the presidential campaign, which, of course we know that
she does get involved in politics. She becomes a te
the Secretary Education, and she's also being set up on
a blind date, which we do not see anything about.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
Yeah, I'd be like googling that guy. As soon as
I got off the phone. I thought it was like
a week after her parents died, or her family died.
That they were like, you need to get out there,
you need to start dating, you need to move on
with your life. I wish there was a better way
to tell us what time we're in. She mentioned it
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had been three months.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
That's not enough.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Time after your whole family dies, and you're like, oh, yeah,
I'm just eating sushi, you know, talking about dating.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
I wouldn't feel good.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
I would still be like in a pit of despair
because I lost my whole family.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
I don't buy three weeks or three months is still
not enough. Give me three years. But they had her
in a different wig too, did you notice. Yeah, so
that woman just stays in wigs. I just saw an
ad for the Fall of a House of Usher and
she was in it, and she had this awful blonde wig. Yeah,
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it's good to see her working still though, who else
I really liked Honders and how eloquent he kind.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Of was in his bathtub.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
Yeah, it was weird to see him in a bathtub.
It was weird, and his nipples were out. They kind
of like, I don't know. Yeah, he's just talking about
sports and how he wants to be perfect. He's like,
it's not about the score, it's not about winning, it's
about the performance, about making the perfect throw and having
the perfect catch. He was like talking about math, and
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I'm like, you lost me, You lost me. And I'm
like thinking about this pyramid game from when I saw
it last and I'm like.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
I don't think it's that deep, bro, But it would.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
Have been cool if any at any point, like if
they had the budget to show us what a real
pyramid court was supposed to look like.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Right, because what we see.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
Is like the homemade post apocalyptic versions.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Yeah, it's like a pickup game of basketball versus like,
you know, ANFL game.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Yeah yeah, oh yeah, not NFL. NFL is the football one.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Yeah, it would have been cool to see like an
imagining of that even an empty court, but that would
have required a budget or something. But it could have
been something that they did, like in photoshop like they
did Caprica City.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Yeah, like a digital rendering.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
Well, sounds like they ran out of the money because
they had the shoot in the production office.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Yeah, it was really fun to see hot Dog interacting
with Colonel Adama. Admiral Admiral Adama. Who's Colonel Tye? Oh,
Colonel ty Okay? Yeah, sorry, I always.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Get this confused.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
It's only seventy episodes.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
It's confusing. Admiral Adama Aa okay, Yeah, they a lot
of them do, like some of the main characters definitely do.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
But hot Dog is running around with like a bag
full of pictures and a baby girl, no, a baby boy.
He's got Nikki on his shoulder or on his side.
I was wondering if he was hanging out with that child. Yeah,
I think uh Tyrrell after he got out of jail,
and we never found out how he got out of jail.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Uh no, because he was there in that final scene.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
Then yeah, yeah, he was supposed to be in jail.
But after he's out of jail, he's like, fuck that kid.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Because we see him in jail when he's talking to Helo.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
But yeah, they got him out of jail and it's
not explained. But anyway, Colonel or Admiral Adama like bumps
into hot Dog and then causes him to like drop
all these pictures and he's like, oh, let me help
you because I fucked you up here, and he's like
a and then hot Dogs explaining these are all the
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pilots and we're just taking them down because you know,
we don't want them to be left behind. And there's
still pictures up there of people who were are forgot
because whoever put up their pictures probably gone. We've lost
them along the way. And I feel like that's so real, like.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Yeah, because everyone is packing up, we see like a
Dama packing boxes and stuff and everyone's clearing out the
photo memorial hallway.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
Yeah, and when you go to it, like when when
we finally see it, it looks so different from the
other images we've used to be seen, like hundreds of
photographs of different people and now it's just like very sparse,
but it's still like got some faces there, and a
Dama's walking by looking at them, and then he notices
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Hara is on there and he like looks at it
for a while and then he walks away that he stops,
and then he comes back and grabs the picture. And
that's kind of like incentive to be like, she is
not dead, she is lost and we will find her.
And he goes to Anders and Kara's there and he's like,
I got a question.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Can you turn him on? And she's like, I can
turn on my husband. I know how to do that.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
And they turn him on and he starts talking about
stuff again.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
The dama is not like comfortable seeing this.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
No, and Kara's like, you got your question. He's like,
you ask that was so funny. He's like, no, you
ask him. I'm cool. But apparently Anders knows the answer
to their question and somehow is able to relay it,
which I don't know how they got that got there.
Did he print it off or what's going on?
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Probably gave him coordinates or something.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
That's wild that he answered like a question, because like
every interaction with these goddamn hybrids has been like I'm
going to answer your question with another question.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Here's a limerick or whatever, and I'm like, I don't
get it. I don't understand what they're saying.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
You probably quoted some song lyrics and they had to
interpret it.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
Yeah, but they figured it out. And now Adama's like, everybody,
everybody meet me in the hangar deck right now and
him and is it Starbuck have a roll of duct
tape and I'm like, oh man, they probably could have
used that duct tape for packing.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
No, this is their special red tape.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
For making lines in the sand. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
And so they make this line down the middle of
the hangar deck and they're like, you stand on this
side if you want to volunteer, you stand on that
side if you're cool and you don't want to join.
It's completely voluntary. And Tori is on the fence about it,
and I love that for her. Yeah, and she's still
on the fence, but everybody, all the asylums are like, no,
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you're coming, bitch, you're part of this. And I feel
like she should have been allowed to stay back.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
Yeah, and was basically like, you're coming with us.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Yeah, and so did Tyrol. Tyrol grabbed her and was
like come on. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
And we also see like some of the pilots like
racetrack and stuff, they've been let out of prison for this.
So I think that's why chiefs out too, like they
think they brought everyone there.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
Oh, okay, do you see hot Dog's gonna cross over
and leave the kid on the other side.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Oh, we saw him crossover and the kid wasn't with them.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
So yeah, they're passing off that kid to some other dude.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Yeah, I honestly don't remember if we see that kid.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Fucking Nikki Man.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Then oh uh. Doc Coddle tries to cross and Adama
stops him and we learn his first name is Sherman.
We've never heard that before.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
Right, He's like, we can't afford to lose a doctor.
You better go back, and he looked.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
So sad going back. Right.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
I was so sad for him, like he should be
allowed to go. But he's kind of right. The colony
can't afford to lose a doctor that does all the
things that he does.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Yeah, but his nurse, it's always with him. She was
allowed to cross the Yeah. Yeah, she's just a nurse.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
You know. We can afford to lose nurses apparently.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
But that was a pretty interesting scene to see how
many people still believe that there's hope for I don't
know if this is hope for the cylons, hope for
their crew may hope for this like Little Girl, but
it's like maybe a third or a fourth of the
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ship moves to the side.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Yeah, say, probably about a third looked like Yeah, I
mean it's a pretty powerful scene, like setting up like
this is the last mission for the Galactica, like we
don't expect to come back.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Do you think that was all the people in the
cast and crew or I mean in the cast, I.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Would think like most of our regular like recurring characters
are there.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
I'm trying to think of the world there be anyone
that's just on the different ships that wouldn't have been there.
I don't know like everyone, but I didn't get to
like scan the crowd decision. I don't know anything for
every person.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
You know, most of the background characters are pretty generic.
But I'm wondering if they did anything with like photoshop
or after effects to make it look like a bigger crowd.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Very likely, because I know that that set is not
as big as it looks like. It's a there's a
digital extension to it, uh huh. So it's possible that
like they had the fill in the back of the
crowd as well. When they do that wide that way,
wide shot of the entire group. Baltar was there, and
I don't think we saw his decision. I think we
saw him sweating it. Yeah, And prior to that, we
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saw him have a confrontation with Lee. I think he's
trying to get his group to have a seat in
the government, and Lee accuses him of never doing a
single selfless thing.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
In his life or if if it looks like it's
a selfishless sact, there's some sort of benefit to him
in some way or form.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Yeah, speaking of Lee, Like, that's the one flashback we
didn't touch on. He meets Kara Thrace for the first
time and his brother is there, Zach, which is the
same actor from back in season one.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
That's cool. I like that He's like, this one's mine.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Yeah, And as we all know, Lee respected that request.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Yeah, sure he did so.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Yeah. We basically we see them meet and then later
we see Lee arriving home drunk with a pigeon trapped
in his house.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
That was funny.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
I was like, I don't get it. Did he come
home drunk from that from that meeting or has he
been hanging out with them a lot? And like this
is one of many nights of him coming home drunk
like this.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
It's not clear. I will say. I know, like this
is a flashback that will continue in part two, so
we'll see more of it. The pigeon, Yeah, the whole
pigeon and Lee Kara Zach Okay, that's cool. Yeah, and
I think we touched on everything. Do you have anything
else to bring up?
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Not at this time.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
I'm I think, oh, well, maybe we can talk about
how Harra is in the cylom base ship and there
she's not eating enough and so they're going to resort
to putting her on a feeding tube, which I think
is like a little extreme. I feel like they.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Have a Sharon.
Speaker 4 (33:18):
She can probably get the kid to eat some apple
sauce or something with some protein powder.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
So Boomer is there, and she's the only one like
advocating for hair to be treated as a person and
not an object. Yeah, Cavil just wants that genetic code. Simon.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
The doctor is seems willing to just see nicer do whatever.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
Yeah, he pulls out that scary pointy thing and the
thing is for a feeding tube, you don't necessarily need
to operate. You can do one through the nose into
the stomach and do that do it that way, so
it's not like something that can that needs to be
like an operation would just like I would recommend maybe
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putting her under and then just like sliding the tube
down her nose, put a little band aid there and done,
You're done. You put in the little insure shakes in there,
and she's eaten good. In the neighborhood, she's still drawing
those dots that Starbuck had the code of as music notes.
And then we also see Starbuck like trying to work
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on that project when she's hanging out with Anders. He's
trying to turn it into math.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Oh I hate this. Yeah, there's a lot of mass
in this episode. It was a lot. But yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
So Hara is being kept at the colony, and the
colony is orbiting a black hole and there's only one
location where a ship can jump in and out to
get to it. So that's kind of where we leave it.
Them trying to plan that attack right and realizing how
shitty it's going to be.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
I'm excited.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
This is the final confrontation before the end, and I'm
sure it'll be really exciting. Maybe they spent their budget
on that battle.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
No, they show up and they get shot out of
the sky.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
That's it. The end.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Astral queen who was the standout character in the episode?
Speaker 2 (35:16):
All right, do you have an astral queen?
Speaker 3 (35:19):
I was thinking my astral queen would be the Admiral Adama. Yes,
he's the only one. Well basically, I mean this episode
is all flashbacks. He's the one that kind of I
liked his speech rallying everyone at the end to pick aside.
And he also he solved the problem of figuring out
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where Harah is from when he saw that photo.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
He had the idea to go talk.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
To Onders, and I just seem like he kind of
did the most in the present timeline.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
I'm gonna give mine to Guius's dad for stabbing that
dumb nurse and colling Caprica six escort. Okay, he had
the most charisma and he was just like really alive.
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So yeah, that's who I'm giving it too. Who else
would I pick?
Speaker 3 (36:18):
I don't know, number six for kidnapping his dad.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
No, I don't like that.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
No, I feel like the very short scene he was
on he was very memorable, that old man.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Yeah, all right, well then Admiral Odama and looks like
his name is Julius Julius Baltar. We'll have to find
your address at the care home and send you your award.
What's next. That's the end. We're not doing a spoiler section.
So that wraps up Daybreak Part one, and so next
time we are covering both parts two and three, because
(36:50):
that is how it originally aired. If you're watching it
on streaming, it's likely split into two separate episodes, so
just watch.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Both of them.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
And I'm excited to be here at the end. Who knew?
Who knew we would get here? Took almost three years.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
It took three years, Yeah, for us to get through this.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
Yep. We started in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
During the pandemic. Yeah, I believe.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
So we're like, we have nothing to do, let's start
this pandemic podcast.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
Oh yeah. It's like seventy some episodes depending on how
you count them. So yeah, it took us a little
while we did. I mean shortly after we started, I
ended up moving across the country and we had to
stop for several months.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
So yeah, across the country, but like from Kansas City
to Houston.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
Yeah, it's still cross country.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
That's like hass across. It's not like from LA to
New York. It's down the country.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
Yeah, anyway, that's it, So join us for the finale.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Who Ruthie, shut the fuck up? I'm trying to sign
up all right.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
Thank you for joining us, and be sure to catch
us in the next one. Remember to follow us on
all of our podcasts because we're gonna pick another series
or maybe a spin off.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
So what does it say? What do they say when
they sign off? So say we all say? We all
smell you later.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Thank you for spacing out with BB and Jason. You
can help us out by subscribing and leaving a positive
rating or review. Next time, we will cover Battlestar Galacticas
season four, episode twenty day Break, Parts two and three.
We hope you will join us, So say we all
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