Daybreak parts 2 and 3 (Battlestar Galactica S4 E20)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Spacing Out with BB and Jason this week
covering Battlestar Galacticas season four episode twenty, day Break Parts
two and three.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Yea, welcome back.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
I'm Babe and I'm Jason, and this is Spacing Out
where today we will be discussing Battlestar Galactica. And if
you are new here, welcome. You've reached the end of
the podcast about Battlestar Galactica. We usually have a spoiler
section at the end, but we have nothing left to spoil,
so we're going to get into the episode, which is
Battlestar Galactica season four, episode twenty. This is Daybreak parts

(00:39):
two and three, so I hope you saw both parts.
This originally aired on March twentieth, two thousand and nine,
Written by Ronald D. Moore and directed by Michael Reimer
as the same team from the original mini series The
Survivor Colm. This episode was thirty nine, four hundred and six.
I was down one hundred and ten people from the

(00:59):
last time we checked. In this episode, flashbacks reveal more
of Lea and Kara's first meeting, a Dama refusing to retire,
Adama meeting Boomer and Roslin getting into politics after a
date with her former student. Current day in Galactica, Taxis
Cylon Colony, the opera house visions are revealed to be
part of the rescue of Hera. The ceasefire is called

(01:20):
as a final five agreed to give Cavil the resurrection
technology in exchange for ending the war. When chaos erupts again,
Starbuck jumps to Galactica using coordinates based on the musical
notes Hara had written, and they arrive at a habitable
planet that we recognize as Earth. The fleet settles on
the New World, abandoning their ships and technology. The Centurions

(01:40):
go their own way. In the bay ship, Laura Roslin
dies peacefully under a tree. Not actually she dies in
the ship. My bad Starbuck vanishes without a trace, indicating
that she was likely an angel. Is then revealed that
all this has occurred one hundred and fifty thousand years
in the past. We see humanity in the twenty first
century developing robotics and artificial intelli legence. Head six and

(02:01):
Head Baltar, also understood to have been angels. Speculate on
whether the cycle will repeat once again, and that was
the finale. Yeah, there's there. I mean, there's a lot
more battle than what that indicated.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
Vibe check. Did we like the episode overall? How does
it stand to test of time?

Speaker 3 (02:21):
All right, vibe check, what did you think of the finale?

Speaker 2 (02:25):
I liked it. I thought it was good. I thought
it gave us a satisfying ending with most characters like
we made it. We're out of space or on the
ground in this utopian like society.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
Yeah, a lot of people don't like the finale, and
then I get it, But I definitely I think that
like everything up to, like them arriving at the new
planet is awesome.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
Yeah, we could have cut off a whole bunch of
stuff where they're on Earth.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
But then there's a lot of winding down and a
lot of stuff that just like doesn't really make sense
to me, like when you stop and think about it
for a moment, and I'm sure I'll get into that, but.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
Can I just say something. Yeah, it felt kind of
masturbatory in terms of the writing, like a self pleasuring
style of writing, like oh yeah, I want to end
it's so easy. Oh yeah, oh yeah, Like that's kind
of what it gave. It gave like this thing where
it wasn't they weren't writing for the audience. They were

(03:27):
writing for themselves, and it could have just stayed in
your notebook, dude, just a little, you know what I'm
talking about?

Speaker 3 (03:33):
Does does that make sense?

Speaker 2 (03:35):
Like like there's this like part of an artist that
only wants to make work for themselves and it's purely selfish.
And parts of this felt like it was just like
patting yourself on the back and being like, oh, yeah,
you did such a good job. You finished that episode,

(03:55):
you finish that series so well, that's kind of what
it gave And it was kind of just like meht
to watch as an audience member with like deep connections
to these characters. I wish there would have been something different,
and I wish and we can talk about it later,
but yeah, like I'll talk about it later, but yeah,

(04:17):
it was. It wasn't like the best ending ever, but
I've seen worse endings. Let's remember that Game of Thrones exists.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
Yeah, it was a lot of winding down and to me,
it felt like they were trying to force it into
this like prequel of humanity. But overall, I still think
it's a really good finale, and the first like two
thirds of it really holds up for me.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Yeah. I think the two thirds where it's all in space,
I think space works well for this show. But once
they hit the ground, it's kind of awkward.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
I feel like they could have summed all that up
with like quick montage they found this planet and they're settling.
I would imagine that somewhere out there there's like a
fan edit that has made a version of this episode.
I would like a lot more.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
Maybe, I feel like it'd be really hard to edit
it down. Yeah, let's keep going.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
Trivia time. What facts could we uncover for Daybreak Parts
two and.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
Three into the trivia So, as I mentioned last time,
the DVD and Blu Ray releases of the series contained
the version of the finale that is, all three parts
edited together, contains around eleven minutes of extra footage, and
Ronald D. Moore said that this was the intended version
of the finale with the network was not going to
go for a three hour finale. So the extra scenes

(05:39):
as relates to this part of the story that there's
more flashbacks about Boomer and her storyline. We only got
one scene of her kind of meeting Adama for the
first time. There's a scene where Tyrrel and Starbuck go
to Adama's quarters and confront him with the idea of
hooking Honors up to the CIC, and Adama hates the

(06:00):
idea of networking as ship. And then there's more of
Saul and Ellen and the flashbacks as well.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
Did we see those?

Speaker 3 (06:05):
We saw some of them. We didn't see We did
not watch the extend Okay, you know, I've never watched
the finale like this in two separate parts. I've always
gone for the extended version, so I was worried that
it would feel different. But I felt like this, this
held up as like an episode. Yeah, I don't know,
it worked. Yeah, parts worked. So an alternate ending conceived

(06:26):
for the series going back, like several episodes, when Ellen resurrected,
she would become a rage that ty had taken up
with a number six and we would become a villain
alongside Cavil, and it would have been a tie versus
tie scenario. But with the writer's strike, they had some
time to rethink the ending story arc.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
I like that they put them together. I feel like
it's like a fucked up love story for them.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
Yeah, I mean, like with most of these characters, you're
just like kind of want you to be happy now.
Things have been shitty for everyone for so long.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
Yeah, you've lived in a fucking tin can, no view,
not even a little window.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
Yeah. So this episode one an Emmy for Outstanding Sound Editing.
So sounded great, guys. The tracing of the human bloodline
through mitochondrial DNA to the furthest maternal common ancestor and
dubbing her mitochondrial eve is a real theory. So what
they were talking about there at the very end, mitochondrial

(07:24):
Eve is the most recent person in the female line
that all of humanity can said to be from. Mitochondrial
DNA is only inherited from the mother. So in this scenario,
since Athena's Hara's mother, then we're all the sendants of Athena.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
An Asian woman yep in Africa.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
Yep, Okay, okay, I'm down with it.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
I think it's really flawed and they should have thought
about it more if they were, but I don't think
they knew where any of this was going. But if
Boomer would have been a woman of color like that,
was a black woman with African features, I would buy
it more. Ill good to see.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
Well, I mean the implication is that they're going to
be breeding with the humans that are on the planet already.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
Oh, don't get me started on that. I have a
lot of thoughts about that too. Hold On.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
The shot of Galactica flying over the Moon and reaching
Earth was inspired by real life shots from the Apollo
Space program, specifically Apollo eight shot of coming around the
dark side of the Moon and the Apollo seventeen shot
of the Earth itself. And that last scene we have
a cameo from the show runner Ronald Dee Moore. He's
the guy that is reading the magazine and number six

(08:34):
in Baltar reading over his shoulder.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
Initially Heilo and Athena were supposed to die and Hara
was going to be raised by guyas Baltar and Caprica six,
And this would make sense in the opera house vision,
Baltar and Caprica six take Carara into the opera house.
It would also have a poetic resonance because Caprica six
kills a child at the beginning of the series and
then would raise one at the end. They destroyed one

(08:57):
civilization and then at the end the foundation of another one.
But they want another direction. I'm glad Hilo and Athena
get to live. They've also suffered a lot, so seeing
the final five on the balcony and the CIC was
a big headache for the production team. Involved cutting away
of railing and filming these wide shots that they never
had to do before. That balcony has always been there.
I don't know if they ever really used it before,

(09:19):
but Edward James almost always wanted to do scenes up
on the balcony, and he thought that Adama should have
his little own area up there where he oversees the CIC.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
No, he's on the ground in the middle of the arena.
It's like a surgeon.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
I know. He never even has like a chair in there.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
No.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
This episode marks the desks of several main characters, including Boomer, Cavil, Racetracks, Skulls,
Tory Foster, Samuel Landers, Laura Roslin, and many many cylons.
And Kara Thrace also vanishes without a trace. And we
have an Okay Boomer section.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
Okay Boomer, let's look at any connection to the original
battles dar Galactica series, updates on upcoming productions in any
other news.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
Well, there's a shot in the museum display where you
can see the original Battlestar Galactica model from the nineteen
seventy eight series.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
I also saw like an old Cylon in a case
when they were all getting geared up to jump out.
Did you see that? No?

Speaker 3 (10:20):
I didn't notice that. Well, we do see several old
Sylon models because they're the ones that are there at
the colony. As Anders guides the fleet on its final
journey towards the sun, a slower paced version of the
theme from the original Battlestar Galactica series plays, and then
of course we see several Sylon models from the original series.
And that's all those connections. When we started this, we

(10:42):
thought we were going to be getting a lot more
news about like a new Battlestar series that was in development,
but that.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Writers Strike really fucked with that, didn't it.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
That seemed to fall apart before that.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
So well, I think it also depends on like who's
going to be in the cast, right, were they trying
to RecA asked some of the same crew.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
It was never clear what direction they were going. They
indicated that it was not a reboot, that it was
somehow part of this universe, But that always confused me because,
like as we just saw in this episode, the Galactica's gone,
so you have a show called Battlestar Galactica.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
That's without a battle Star.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
Yeah, or it would be some sort of prequel, which
I feel like they've tried that route.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
So I don't know, but I think it's okay to
let it go. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
Yeah, I mean when we started, it sounded like it
was definitely happening, so like, well, I guess we'll embrace
it and see how it goes. But yeah, like I'm
okay with it not being a thing. Yeah, but yeah,
this was originally supposed to be us looking back and
looking ahead, but there's been no news on that front
about the new series. Or there's supposedly a movie in

(11:48):
the works as well. But all right, well let's let's
get into this thing.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
Deep space dive. Let's break down some of our thoughts
on the episode. You can share your thoughts with us
through email or social media. We may use your comments
on an upcoming episode.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
We start with everybody getting ready to go.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
We start with the party at the Strip club.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
Oh yeah, that was weird. I didn't like that at all.
I couldn't. I could not wrap my head around Admiral
Adama going to a strip club. Willingly, Well, he's not
an admiral, then that doesn't matter. He's still always been
this like outstanding male figure that seems like he's highly

(12:35):
moral or something. And I wish there was a scene
between his job interview and the strip club where we
see him getting talked into going or something, so we
figure out like he's not there. Willingly like, that's that's
not his regular crowd.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
Well, I think he's clearly been convinced by ty Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
I feel like you could have had the same vibe
and conversation at a regular bar. It might have even
been nicer because it wasn't It wouldn't be so quiet,
like so loud, but.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
Then you wouldn't get Colonel Tye going woo.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
It was a woo girl. I couldn't believe it. I
was like, Wow, this is the most animated and quote
unquote happy that I've ever seen this character in like
the whole series ever. Yeah, just a woo girl at
the strip club every fucking shot.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
WHOA.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
I couldn't believe it. And I was I this show
is clearly written by men for men, and it's this
is the most blatant part about it, Like, oh so
this is our series finale, and this is the last
like version of our show that you might see. So

(13:52):
we're going to show you a strip club because we
do fan service here, and we're gonna have sexy girls
in scantily clad outfits. They've always done this, and it's
like so full of the male gaze that it's kind
of disappointing as a non male gaze person. I'm really
upset about the fact that there was not a pole scene.

(14:14):
If you're gonna have a strip club, even if the
girl's not fully naked, she should be at least strong
enough to get up on that pole and dance give
me a good like. And the music was off too
for a strip club in my opinion, Like it didn't
feel like it was danceable and there was nobody dancing.
They were just like crawling around and like wiggling, but

(14:38):
it didn't feel like like if it's this overtly sexual space,
it was missing the sex. So it's like you have
me in this weird purgatory where I'm both upset and
I'm I'm wanting for more, and it was just like, oh,
and then he go, he drinks himself silly. He doesn't

(15:01):
want to do this job. I don't. I still don't
get what the job is. I'm guessing it's for him
to open the Museum of the Battlester Galactica or something.
I don't know. I don't know what the job is.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
It's just a desk job, basically, like telling him that
he's too old to be commanding a battle Star and
you need to step this desk job.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
Yeah, step down. I think most people should do that
if they're too old to do their job. It's just
like how there are some people who are too old
to drive. Do you really want them on the road?
Do we really want them on the road? Y'all? Some
people won't retire and it's causing a lot of issues
with young people being able to move forward in their
position and roles. So I don't have any sympathy for

(15:44):
him at all. Like he's such an unlikable character in
this role that I forgot who he was. And then
when he's in the alley throwing up on himself, disgusting.
Don't eat before you watch this. Don't don't like have
a snack or anything until after that scene. Like do
yourself a favor and like make sure that if you

(16:04):
are like squeamish that you just fast forward through the
scene where he's in the alley because it's not relevant
to the plot in any way. Is just showing him
being like at the bottom of the barrel because he
doesn't want to work a desk job. That is a
dream for most Americans, especially those who work in hard
laborist jobs. They wish they could work in a fucking

(16:27):
office in a fucking suit, getting paid really fucking well
to do minimal effort jobs. That is such a privilege. Like, oh,
I was I did not like him. I was like,
you are complaining, you are being a baby, you are
fucking drunk, You're you're being gross, and I hate it here.

(16:48):
I hate it here. This is the worst timeline I
don't know at least Colonel Tye. You know, he is
who he is and he embraces himself and he's like
happy to retire and his position like that made me
like his character a lot more. But the self loathing
like woe is me kind of attitude is just not

(17:11):
it boohoo, they want to pay me booo.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
There is there's just like an off putting entitlement to it,
Like he feels like because he's been in this role
that like that comes with a certain level of respect
that he's not being shown by having to take this
light detector test.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
Yeah, I feel like he does.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
I don't know why he's so hung up on that
white detector test.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
I feel like he's never worked for the government. That's
what it gives. Like, if you work for the government
long enough, you know that the government requires every fucking
bureaucratic process to be completed, and you are not an
exception to that bureaucratic process because of your tenure.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
Wait until he found out about the drug test.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
Oh yeah, especially after he did cocaine off of those
trippers' tits. He didn't see that part. That's in the
extended version. They did say in the commentary that for
that scene of him throwing up that Edward James almost
like really got himself drunk because it was the end
of the night. Oh wow.

Speaker 3 (18:15):
And apparently he really loves those, like vomiting scenes. He
loves anything where he gets messy.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
I feel like he is authentic, and I'll give him
that because it was authentically disgusting and I felt like, oh,
this is more than acting bro like, it was visceral,
literally physically like visually visceral and gory and just disgusting.

(18:45):
That poor suit, that poor suit, And I'm like, this
is the father of two adult men I don't know.
So that's what's happening with a dama before he gets
to Galactica.

Speaker 3 (18:59):
Yeah, so yes, try to hit these flashbacks. So there's
Lee and Kara oh continuing hot mess.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
Oh my god, girl, Zach has passed out, and they
continue drinking and talking about fear and death and personally,
even before that, when they were literally laying her boyfriend
down on the couch, they were like face to face,
so close to each other that like, I'm sure they

(19:26):
felt each other's hot breath. And I don't me personally,
as a person who is in a committed relationship, I
don't like to get close to people like that if
I don't know them and I've just met them, Like,
I don't like to get close to anybody like that.
I'm still kind of in my COVID brain where I'm
like six feet please, Like, there are very few people

(19:48):
who I will get nose to nose with, and that's
like my boyfriend and my dog and my cat.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
It's a short list, but drunk that I don't like
your sober and like a drunk person's trying to talk
to you, like you're way too close, trying to stay back.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
And you know what, though, I've never been that drunk
person because I've always been averted to just like physical
touch because I don't I don't like people near me.
I'm like safe space. And it just made me uncomfortable
seeing them that close. And then like they're drunk and
she's like, I double dog dare you to fuck me

(20:28):
on the table And I'm like, that's gross with your
boyfriend right there, like it's an open concept girl, like
there's not even a wall there, and Leah Dama is like,
hell yeah, I'll do it. And the only thing that
stops them from doing it is that she drops the
wine glass and it breaks and homeboys like, oopsie, it's broken,

(20:54):
and they're like, oh, yeah, there's another person in the room.
And this is not the only character who, upon meeting
a man will bed him immediately.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
Yeah you're going to Roslyn.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
Yeah, but that's to me again, this is showing how
men right, like, oh yeah, she's so horny that she's like,
fuck me on the table and she doesn't give a
fuck about her boyfriend, and like, part of me believes
that Starbuck would do that because she did it to
her husband Honders, But I thought that it personally. The

(21:29):
way that I understood her character was that that's who
she became after she lost the love of her life.
I thought that she had love and respect for the
for Zach or whatever his name is, and that he
was the only one that she was loyal to. But
then they cut to this, and it makes me feel
like there was no character development. Then. This character has

(21:50):
always been kind of an ass and she didn't like
suffer in a way that changed her. She's always been
this cheater, and it would have been nice to show
like her brother, like you could have written something similar
without like harming her character before or something, you know
what I mean. Like it could have been Leah Damo

(22:11):
was so drunk that he tries to kiss her and
she's like, whoa, I'm with your brother and I love him.
And then you know that gives us an idea of like, oh,
like she used to be different. You know, she changed
because of all the shit that's happened to her in
space and through time after losing this man, And it

(22:31):
just doesn't feel like anything happened because she lost to
that relationship, like she she's always been like that, and
it just it feels hollow to me as a person
who wants to uplift this character and hold her in
a high regard despite her flaws, Like I wish that
she would have been a different person in the past

(22:52):
who threw her trials and tribulations changed into this callous
like cheater. I would have accepted it more and it
would have been fun to see, like Lea Dama being
thirsty and her being like ill, now.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
Yeah, last time. In part one, we saw Lee coming
home from this very drunk and chasing that bird around
his apartment.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
Oh yeah, that pigeon.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
So now we understand, like why he was so drunk
coming home.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
And I hope he got a cab.

Speaker 3 (23:20):
Yeah, let's assume he did. Yeah. And then this episode,
that bird flies through the door, which I guess is
symbolism for something. I don't know, Starbucks, the one that
got away or something. I guess I think they're supposed
to be meeting there. Whatever it is.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
Pigeons, man, that's all women are, just pigeons.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
Loura Roslin was set up on this blind date with
their former student, and apparently Jesus goes through with that date.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
And focks him, and she's wearing that cute little slip
and that silk robe, and then she's like, you're dismissed.
Classes over and he's like, yes, ma'am, and he leaves
with that question without any sort of fight or anything,
like he barely is like, but are you sure? And

(24:09):
that's it and that's all. And she's like, I'm gonna
have my cigarette and I'm going to take this job.

Speaker 3 (24:15):
And that's how she got into politics, right.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
And another woman who I had high regard for and
was hoping for like a higher moral standing in some
way again gets shot down. If it was a man
doing that to a young girl, we would have problems.
And I don't like it. I don't like it at all.
As soon as I saw my student, I'd be like,
you know, I'll have dinner with you and you can

(24:39):
tell me how life has been. But this is not
a date. I'm not going on a date with a
fucking student. I knew you when you were prem like prepubescent.
Probably that's disgusting. You're old enough to be his mother.
That's gross. Even if she was like she's what in
her forties.

Speaker 3 (24:56):
I mean, yeah, at least at that point.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
So she knew him when he was what like ten
to fifteen. Ew, that's just nasty. That's nasty. Girl. Don't
do that. That is vile, Like I can't believe they
showed her doing that, and like that's what her life
is like a predatory woman. Eh, I don't like it.
I hated that too, Like a lot of these backstories

(25:21):
just gave me a bad taste in my mouth.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
Yeah, I mean it's supposed to be like low points
for these characters, I guess, but yeah, that's that was
a poor way of like like Roslin's trying to, you know,
get through this trauma losing her family.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
Isn't that low enough? Isn't that fucking low enough? Why
couldn't she just go on a regular date with a
regular guy or a coworker, Like I remember you used
to be the gym teacher. What happened? Like why did
he have to be a student? Like she could have
gotten an escort, even that would have been more acceptable.
Like I haven't gotten late in months, and I really

(25:56):
am desperate for some some dick, and I'm gonna pay
for sex, And that's a low point for me because
I would never pay for sex in the past, and
I don't think that there's anything wrong with that, but
I would I would have found that less morally corrupt
than what she did with that student, even though they
weren't like in school anymore. I feel like I would

(26:17):
never want my child, regardless of how old he is,
to go fuck his teacher. Right ew Okay.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
Let's move on to less awful things. Yeah, oh my god,
there's a flashback with Boomer meeting with Adama and the
tie and apparently she was really bad at her job
at the time as a pilot and a Dama gives
her another shot.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
He tells her don't fly with ghosts or something like that.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
Yeah, and we're supposed to think that, like because she
owes him one from that moment all that time ago,
that that's why she's handing back Haarah and says the
passing word to Adama that she owed him one, which
I doubt anyone did, and if they did, I doubt
Adama is going to remember this moment from this flashback
and be like, oh, yeah, he owes me one because
of that and not because he shot me twice.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
That's I thought that was what she owed him. I'm like,
I'm gonna pay you back. I'm gonna pay you back
real good b bam. Yeah. I thought it was weird
that she like said, like, I owe you a debt
of my gratitude. I wish she would have said something else,
but she said what she said, and she gave back Hara.

(27:24):
That was the most important thing.

Speaker 3 (27:25):
Yeah, and then there's a little bit of flashbacks with
Baltar and Caprica six.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
He is so short compared to her in her heels.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
I didn't realize how short he was until they were
standing on a plane like concrete slab and they were
standing right next to each other. I love that. I
love a short king.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
Yeah. Well she's pretty tall too.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
Yeah, she's like modelesque.

Speaker 3 (27:50):
Yeah. I know the actress Tricia Helfer, She's had a
lot of like back problems and stuff. Anyway, let's get
to present day. Finally, present day in the world all
of Galactica, not our present day, because that's at the
end we're gearing up the battle. I felt like they
did a good job like building up to the moment.
It really made it feel like this is the last,

(28:11):
the last go around for everyone.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
Yeah, I think there was a nice like build up
like with guyas like being alone in his space where
he built this like colony and this group of people,
and then him going to the raptor with his laptop
or something. I don't know his tablet. He had like

(28:34):
a really weird case that wasn't it didn't look like
it was closed or anything, maybe, but it looked like
maybe a tablet and they're like, make room for this.
It was really weird, very specific that I paid attention
to that.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
I know he lost his tablet, but he uh, he's like,
I don't go. I'm not going, Like even though he
stood on the other side with the non volunteer side,
he decided he wants to stay on the LIA and
see this through. Something is telling him he needs to stay.
And he's like, I don't belong with you. You and

(29:07):
homegirl that was already trying to siphon his work, like,
he's like, you have it. You're probably better at it
than me. Anyway, you want it more, you can have it.
And I feel like she's like secretly like so happy.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
Yeah, that was kind of an odd goodbye yeah for
his whole group.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
Yeah, yeah, I thought it was weird too, and I
wish there would have been like one final podcast or
one final like goodbye for the broadcasting the whole world
from Galactica and being like, I'm you know, God wants
it this.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
Way, and that's probably what was in his briefcase was
his podcasting.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
His radio. But he gets off of the ship and
he's like walking off and Leah Dama notices it and
I'm like, so, what's he going to do, like science
or what Leadema throws him a gun and I'm like, Okay,
now he's doing something. He's got a job.

Speaker 3 (30:09):
Yeah, And that's the last episode, like they had this
confrontation where Leodamus tells him he's never done anything unselfish.
So this is a turning point on that. I really
like this episode for like Baltar's final arc, Like this
is a little bit of the redemption. I guess that
he's been going for for a long time.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
Yeah, I think he's I think he's been searching for
a purpose throughout the whole series and trying to find
a way to survive because he is guilty of doing
some of basically handing over the keys to the destruction
of mankind, and I feel like since the beginning, he's

(30:49):
been trying to rectify that error and like a tone
for his sins, and I feel like he's finally in
a place where he can do that. He can he
can like prove himself worthy of being saved. And I
thought it was really interesting that he ran into Caprica

(31:10):
and their conversation was funny. I thought, he's like, what
are you doing here? And she's like, bitch, I've been
in more battles than you. And then as they're sitting there,
I really like their kiss because I feel like, you know,
that could be the last time he ever kisses this
woman that he's had in his head this whole time,

(31:30):
and she's real, like she's a real woman that loves him,
according to like their memories. And then they like look
over and they both see each other's like angels. I
guess what we're calling him? Sure, I hate this. I
really hate this. I don't know where it went wrong

(31:52):
or rye. We could have called him something else, y'all.
But they're angels. Oh my god. But it's angels. Sexy
angels too, though, because angels have to be sexy, especially
the blonde, skinny ones, and they're like you can see that.
And I thought it was the very sitcommie like that

(32:13):
interaction with them, and I don't know, it was good
to see them together and to kind of have this
revelation of like, oh, we both see these like entities.

Speaker 3 (32:23):
Yeah. I really like the pairing of those two. Just
they've done a good job of like they've kept them
apart for so long, and then they had that kind
of awkward interaction in one of the recent episodes where
you still see that like there's a lot of feelings there.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
But I do like them together. I think they have
good chemistry as an acting duo, and so like they
do the thing though they like peopew peope, you know,
they hit the Cylon toaster strudle and then they find Hara,
but then they lose hair. Then they find her again.

(32:58):
I was so confused with Hara. Harro was like here,
then she wasn't. Then she was here, then she wasn't,
And I'm like, girl, get a leash.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
She's with the cylons. I like that they marked all
the good cylons with like a red stripe stripe on them.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
Yeah, make sure you don't, yeah, make sure you don't
hit the wrong guy.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
And then there's there's a lot throughout the whole battle sequence,
and then it's just a lot of really cool shots,
dynamic things happening, a lot of.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
Three D that just doesn't hold up too true.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
I think there's a lot of CGI in this, and
I would argue that most of it actually holds up
pretty well, but every once in a while there's shots
that are like, that's the very fake Cylon. Doesn't look
like it's grounded in this space.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Yeah. I thought it was fun to see all the
guns on the Cylon ship just going ham on the
battle Star. Yeah, that was pretty fun. And then Onders,
they're like come Onders, wake up, wake up, taking your time,
and he connects with their hybrid and does something I
don't know, there's something with the goo. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
He basically he gets everything that's like automated to shut down,
so then they can only fight with their the raiders
because you remember they had them like lobottomized so that
they couldn't make decisions their own decisions really.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
Yeah, there's also like some cool shots, is like the
cylons fighting cylons in the hallways.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
That was fun. I did like the Cylon shots of them,
like being with the humans like this this juxtaposition of
like this entity that you've been fighting against, like for
the whole of humanity and now you're fighting side by
side to say this like hybrid baby.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
Yeah, And we haven't had like a big battle in
a long time. And I feel like early in the
show they were like trying to like outdo each battle
with the next one, and then they kind of had
to start getting creative with like how do we continue
showing conflict like this and to the audience. So I
feel like the fact that they held back for so
long and then just like really threw everything at this

(35:06):
made this like really satisfying.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
It was like a crescendo, like this explosion literally and
figuratively of all of the elements just coming together.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
And then, like you said, there's dynamics we haven't seen
before because they're fighting alongside cylons and stuff.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
Yeah. I really liked it. I thought it was interesting
and fun and engaging. When the Raptors were out in
that like mess and they just kept going down and
that one guy was like, oh, you remember what this
reminds me of about Pow he did I'm like, oh
my god, he died. He didn't even finish his line,

(35:43):
but Racetrack like holds on. Even though she's like dying
in space, she still launches her nukes. I thought that
was pretty powerful, as like a last heroic launch for her,
Like she had such a cool job. I really like
that send off that she was like in her last breath,
she was able to finish the mission. And Cavil, he's

(36:05):
just such a bitch. I don't know. I don't get White.
I don't understand why he shot himself in the face.

Speaker 3 (36:12):
I think he just realized it was over at that point,
but he could have. They weren't going to get resurrection,
so like, I think he just saw that it was
pointless at that point.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
I guess I wouldn't shoot myself just because I lost
a fucking battle or a war or whatever. I thought
that was weird. It came out of nowhere for me,
It really did. It was it was just like, oh,
fuck it, and then pal.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
Like, Oh, there's the big villain of the show. He's
down right.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
I thought there would be something like a trial or
like they would like hold him hostage or something, but no,
he just fucking shot himself and we're done. Oh And
it was so fucked up that Tory died the way
she died. She didn't even want to go on this trip.

Speaker 3 (36:53):
She didn't that's so fucked up. She didn't want to
put her hands in the water. She asked everyone to
be cool.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
And honestly, I don't under stand why Tyrrel did all that.
He didn't even like Cali.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
He liked her.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
He hated the cabbage smell of her. He said that,
you don't say that about someone you like. He could
not stand the cabbage smell of her. What a bitch.
I hate him. He's awful. I hate it, Like the
fact that he killed this woman, like he could have
been like, really, that's what you did, and we could
have had Tory as one of the like founders of

(37:28):
Africa or whatever. But yeah, and and the fact that
Colonel Ties like I would have done the same thing.
I'm like, you bitch, you you said it yourself. He
killed his own wife. Yeah, so it's like, what you
were going to strangle yourself?

Speaker 3 (37:45):
What if he saw that image and he's.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
Like, what what if Ellen saw that and she didn't
know that he killed her? She's like, you asshole, you
poisoned me. And I woke up with cavil Uh.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
There's a moment right when they jump into the colony
and they're about to get pounded with these guns that
Ty goes over the intercom and tells everyone the brace
for impact. And I'm like, finally a proper warning. If
you remember back to the miniseries, when they're first getting attacked,
Adama leans over and he whispers to tie to prepare

(38:19):
for impact, or somebody.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
Says brace for impact. He says the exact same thing,
brace for impact.

Speaker 3 (38:25):
That's the only Colonel Tign hear. And it made me
a lot of that.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
But the thing is, I don't think anybody braced for income.
There was bitches on the floor rolling around like nobody
grabbed a bar bro like come on. And also none
of the gurney's in the hospital were like tied down
or secured knowing that they were going to have an impact.
I thought we were all good to go. Didn't we
do a systems check? Hello, don't we have velcro? Like nope? Jesus.

(39:00):
I was so cross, But I guess it made for
a good shot of like impact on the ship. I
was surprised that they rammed the thing. I was not
expecting them to ram it. I thought they were going
to try to find a hole, but they made a hole,
and I was pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
I think that was part of their surprise.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
Yeah, and then they jump out to Starbucks, like having
her moment where she's like where do I go?

Speaker 3 (39:25):
What do I do?

Speaker 2 (39:26):
And she types in her number code and she presses
enter and it like takes them to Earth. And I
did like the shot that was inspired by Apollo. I
thought that was cool. Yeah, that was a really cool
shot of the moon and then just all of a
sudden Earth.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
What else is say about that sequence? I mean, the
opera house comes to fruition with all the chasing of
Hara through the hallways.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
And doorways and all that.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
Both Athena and Roslin kind of chasing after her and
then her getting picked up by Baltar and Kaprica.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
Oh he low gets shot in the leg. Yeah, and
he starts to eat out and I'm like, this guy
has been shot so many times. I remember when he
was on Caprica, like the og Kaprica taking radiation pills
with Sharon, And I remember Sharon taking radiation pills when
she didn't need to, just like fucking lowering their supply.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
She had to keep up the ruse.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
She could have just like pretended and put the pills back.
So that's like, oh, that's crazy, we still have pills left.
But yeah, he's just been through so much and I
feel like Helo should have gotten a flashback. He's been
such an important character. He was the he he was
doing what Colonel Ty was doing for a while. What's

(40:43):
his role, Colonel the EXO? Yeah, he was XO for
a while. Jobs. Yeah, so I was surprised that we
didn't see him in a flashback. I would have loved
to see that instead of Laura Raslin being a pedophile anyway. Yeah,
I thought it was kind of interesting that they're like

(41:03):
putting Sharon in this position where she's like got to
choose between her husband and her child, and her husband's like, no,
you gotta go. We've like risked so much to find
this little girl and it doesn't matter what happens to me.
And I was happy to see that he was okay
in the end. Yeah, that was nice.

Speaker 3 (41:23):
There were other people there that could put pressure on.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
His leg, yeah, and he was doing a good job
holding the belt. But yeah, it was interesting to see
who lived and who died. I was really sad to
see Tori die. I feel like she was just they
did her so dirty. And then they land on earth
and they like spine on these people that look like

(41:47):
tribes people. They have like sticks and wincloths. Yeah, and
they say like, oh, yeah, they're just like us, and
Balta's like, oh so they can mate. My one pet
peeve that I really didn't like was that they said
that they were pre language and I find that very

(42:08):
hard to believe that a group of people who are
walking together in the same direction with a similar purpose
had no way of communicating with each other. I really
I hate that maybe their language skills are not in
a written form yet, because written language is not as
old as other language forms. These people could be using

(42:32):
sign language, they could be using handtalk, like there are
so many things that.

Speaker 3 (42:38):
They reference that they said that they might have other
forms of communication.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
Well, it's just like we can give them that. I
hate that. I hate that, No, leave them alone, leave
them alone. And we're in Africa too, so it's like,
I feel like the people represented in that group didn't
like it looked like it To me, it looked Neanderthals
like a like a subset of human and I didn't

(43:04):
like that, and then I also didn't like that They're like,
we're gonna leave all but technology behind, but here's our
tent and our equipment and our for like all of
these things that are signs of technology. Everybody has their
really nice jacket and their coat and their backpack and
all of these like symbols and items that are clearly

(43:27):
technologically advanced. If you are really gonna reset everybody, everybody
would come in hand all that in or put it
in a pile and burn it, and then you would
be handed like a loincloth and like a survival kit
composed of like very like archaic items that would not

(43:50):
leave a trace behind in archaeological like findings, because like
Laura Roslin was probably buried with her glasses, right, So
like this is the problem for me. It's giving ancient
aliens to a little bit like, oh, well, we'll teach

(44:14):
them how to build, and we'll teach them how to
like talk and write and make music and be alive
because they've never experienced anything before we came along. And
I feel like they're also like a part of me
is like I'm so glad that these like they are
essentially refugees have found somewhere to live. But the fact

(44:36):
that they didn't communicate with the natives and be like, hey,
is it cool if we like develop over here and
like create like a like a agriculture and shit, like
are you cool with that? Because they didn't, and it
just felt like really weird to me. You don't I
feel like you shouldn't come in unannounced and be like, well,

(44:58):
I'm gonna build a cabin right here. I don't know,
it felt weird. It was very like a colonizer now,
and I'm not into that. I just wish there was
like an agreement with the natives and like some sort
of like it would have been really cool for them
to meet to show us the people who were here

(45:18):
before us, But they were like, no, it's not about them.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
I have a list of things that don't add up
for me.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
Okay, let's go.

Speaker 3 (45:27):
I mean, so, I get the idea of wanting to
leave behind space travel. I want to focus on re
establishing the human race on a new planet. And they're
probably like out of resources to continue operating these ships
and stuff, but actually, like destroying the ships is just ludicrous.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
Yeah, park them and create like a shelter.

Speaker 3 (45:48):
It's a nice shelter, even if it's just for like
as you build your next shelter. Yeah, you need there
no reason that you can't have this structure there to
help you out. So yeah, just park them and some
people can live in them.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
Or you can do the thing where like yeah, park them,
like land.

Speaker 3 (46:05):
Them, Like you don't know anything about this planet, Like
you've never seen a storm roll in, Like you know
know how bad it's going to be, Like, right, have
some good shelter. Yeah. And then the idea that every
single person is one hundred percent on board with the
idea of destroying all their technology in the ships is
also ridiculous, Like yeah, someone's going to be like, uh
no thanks, I kind of need like my ads. Yeah,

(46:29):
and like all of their medical facilities, their food processing,
their water treatment, like all that stuff. Like I'm pretty
sure all these people died within a few years, and
then natives continue to evolve without them. I think that's
what the story is. Because yeah, and then like language,

(46:50):
so the language capricin is identical to English, and then
somehow that language disappears and then redevelops again to the
exact same language, the exact same like structure.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
Like right, because English is a combination of different Germanic
tribes coming together to create a language that is that
becomes English.

Speaker 3 (47:12):
Yeah, so like the odds of that is just astronomical.
And then we've seen all these species within Battlestar, like
we seeing dogs and cats and they talk about like
chickens and stuff suck they talk about y, So all
these species also have to like they vanish and evolve
again on this planet.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
It would have been fun if like you saw a
kid bringing in a chicken with him in that.

Speaker 3 (47:39):
And then just every possible thing like in colonial society
is going to like basically disappear and then redevelop from
like their their fashion, the fact that like they wear
a three piece suit, like that idea is going to
go away and then come back, you know, thousands, thousands
of years later. Like it just feels like this was

(48:00):
a cool idea to like make this like a reset,
a prequel to humanity as we know it. But I
think it falls apart with like any amount of scrutiny.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
Yeah, any sort of examination would just like there's so
many plot holes.

Speaker 3 (48:14):
I know, like I can see like getting stoned and
being like what if all of this was actually like
pre human history on Earth. Wouldn't that be cool? And
then you sober up and you're like, well that doesn't
make any sense.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
Yeah, I feel like a lot of it just wasn't planned,
like they were. They were done with the episodes and
they're like, I don't know, maybe they're like here and
before Christ it would have been fun if they were here,
like during King Louis the fourteenth and everybody was wearing
tights and it was already colonized, and they're like, oh shit,

(48:51):
Oh another thing. They finally give the Centurions their freedom.
This whole time, those Centurions were under like some sort
of like agreement or some sort of like enslavement.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
Well they were for a long time, and then when
the Silent Civil War broke out, they chose sides, they
removed whatever, like Chad Chip was like limiting them so
that they had the power of choice. So they chosen
to stay either side. But did they.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
Choose to fight or were they made to fight. I'm
guessing they chose, but I don't remember seeing them on
the ship choosing a side. But on the tape it
feels like the Centurions do whatever. The Silence tell them
to do yeah, without any real choice in the matter,
like they are in I feel like they are enslaved
even though they have a choice.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
I mean, they don't explore it too much, so.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
But they say they have their freedom now.

Speaker 3 (49:44):
Yeah, So that means that.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
They didn't have their freedom before. That's what That would
imply that they were not free before you gave them
their freedom. So like it's like I need more clarification
on that, because it feels like really fucked up that
they were like used as pawns in their war against
themselves to without any real choice or freedom in it.

(50:09):
They could like I wish they would have like given
them freedom beforehand, and they're like they choose to fight
with us. That would have been such an easy write around.
But it's like, no, we finally gave them their freedom
and they're free to go. They don't want to be
here because why would they. They've been forced to do
all this shit for you for so long. I hope
they come back and fucking murder you. Oh that's what

(50:32):
next series is. Yeah. And then at the end, all
those fucking Japanese robots that came out and the two
thousands were like on the screen like this ominous feeling
of like robots are coming, but they were the cutest
little robots.

Speaker 3 (50:49):
Yeah, it's interesting just because we've seen like a lot
more advancement in robotics and then especially in AI.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
Oh my god, AI is so racist, dude. It's like
way worse than they could have imagined, because there's like
whole groups of people who are like fighting against AI's
racism and its inherent bias.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
So I have a quote from George R. R. Martin,
I wanted to read the fantasy author George R. R.
Martin expresses dissatisfaction, commenting Battlestar Galactica ends with God. Did
it looks like somebody has skipped writing one on one
when you learn that a do sex machina is a
crappy way to end the story?

Speaker 2 (51:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (51:28):
Yeah, Sometimes the journey is its own reward. I certainly
enjoyed most of the journey with BSG, But damn it
doesn't anyone know how to write an ending anymore?

Speaker 2 (51:35):
Wow, that didn't made well.

Speaker 3 (51:39):
Writing one on one kids, Adam and Eve, God did it?
It was all a dream. I've seen Clarion students left
stundon bleeding for turning in stories with those endings. Clarion
is a school where he teaches writing. But yeah, I
agree with that. I feel like Battlestar was at its
best when it kept the balance between like the supernatural

(51:59):
and the realism. They're like, you could justify either direction
and for it to come down in the finale with
such a clear cut like this was all. It was
all predestined, which makes it feel like none of it mattered, right,
And I think that is, to me, maybe the worst
part about the finale, which I do really like. I'm
still standing by that. I like it despite all these criticisms.

(52:22):
And I would also be interesting interested in seeing if
George R. R. Martin knows how to write an ending, because
you can't write a bad one if you don't write one.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
Shots fired.

Speaker 3 (52:36):
So I have a list of things that are kind
of the poetic nature of the finale, things that kind
of mirror the premiere, and I found some of these
on a wiki page and I added to it. So
it began with the Cylon attack on the colonies, nearly
wiping out humankind, and it ended with the colonial attack
on the Cylon colony, very likely wiping out the Cylons

(52:57):
who didn't join the humans. Shortly after the silent attack
on Kaprica, Baltar flees Kaprica when Carl Agathon gives him
his place on a raptor, feeling that his own life
is less important to save. At the end of the series,
Baltar puts his own life at risk for saving Agathon's daughter,
and both ends of this parallel current wide open fields.

(53:18):
The series starts and finishes with two endings. For Galactica,
it is scheduled for decommissioning in the mini series, and
then it is destroyed in the finale. The series begins
with a selfish decision Baltar makes to give Caprica six,
the military mainframe access that nearly destroys Humanity, and it
ends with a selfless decision by Baltar makes to save Hara,

(53:40):
giving Humanity a new start. At the beginning of the series,
William Adama has divorced his wife soon after returning to
the military service, and at the end of the series,
Adama abandons all trappings of the military to be with
his unofficial wife, Laura Roslin, upon whose finger he puts
his wedding ring just after she dies, which it really
doesn't fit her finger.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
It's a little too little too late. Why didn't he
give her a ring while she was alive?

Speaker 3 (54:04):
Yeah, timing man. The beginning of the series highlights of
Dama's refusal to network the computers on Galactica. This episode
has the ship's computers being networked the Evanders control needed
to carry out the final mission. The Cylon started the
war with attack on the twelve Colonies by being able
to use a backdoor program to shut down the colonial defenses,
and then the Colonials were able to use the less

(54:26):
advanced Mark two Vipers and Battlestar Galactica to wage the battle,
and at the end of the war, the Colonials were
able to shut down the colony's defenses by using sam
Anders as a hybrid talk remotely to the Colony's hybrids
and get them to stop firing, and the Cavil Faction
cylons could only use the lobotomized raiders used to attack Galactica.

(54:47):
And then in the end it is nuclear weapons that
send the colony into the Singularity. So a lot of
poetic things there. Do you have anything else about the episode?

Speaker 2 (54:58):
I liked how Kara looked in her ponytail. She looked
really slicked back professional. I haven't seen her like that
in a while.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
In the Zult, we didn't actually mention that the music
notes translated to the coordinates they used to find her.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
I think I said that a little bit where she
jumped us to Harrah's Harah's coloring she yeah, we talked
about it. But then she disappears and I was like what, Yeah,
that was just awkward. I wish it would have been
like her walking away into the distance and then like
you know how mirage or you know, like a heat
looks like in the in in the distance, if like

(55:36):
she like disappears in that way, like was she ever
really there as she walks away? Yeah, that would have
been cooler.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
I think like a little more ambiguity would have been
the strength of this finale as opposed to yeah, clearly
defining everything.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
Yeah, it was just like really cut into like like
she was never really here. She was here, but she's
not of this world. It was just weird. I didn't
like it, and Lee was just like what what what? What?
Like looking around like he was gonna find her under

(56:11):
a rock or something, And it would have been funny
if there was like something and then she pops out.
She's like just messing with you.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
Also, I didn't really understand why Admiral Odama is just
like he's not going to come back and see.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
Yeah, like they live on the same planet.

Speaker 3 (56:31):
Like I get that he was going to go be
with Roslind for her last moments, but.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
She's gonna die in like a week maybe yeah, tops,
she lasted five minutes. He could come back and even
going to.

Speaker 3 (56:42):
Give him some coordinates or something to come by for
a meal.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
Well, they have that fucking setup in that tent. I'm
sure he can like be like, hey, guys, found a
really nice spot over here in these hills. And I
thought they landed in Scotland or England or somewhere like green,
But they landed in Tanzania. Which I'm not saying it's
not green in Tanzania, but the geographic nature of that

(57:09):
area is a lot different than what they were showing.
I looked it up and it's obviously more African in
nature and there's like giraffes and shit. But they showed
like the I guess antelopes are African, But they also
showed flamingos and I'm like, I don't know, I don't
know if flamingos are common in that area. Did he

(57:31):
go up north, like I just I don't know.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
I don't know. It's implied that they were spreading out
and then they were kind of like distributing people around
the world, I guess. And then Chief Till is going
to go die alone in Scotland.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
Right, like, he's not going to find people there. There
are people everywhere except Antarctica. Okay, there are people everywhere.
It's documented there are some sort of people everywhere. So
I don't think you can escape people unless you go
to the tundra or something. But I don't know.

Speaker 3 (58:01):
I mean, I don't know enough about the well. I
think I agree because one hundred and fifty thousand years
so I think that's why they started in Africa because
that's supposed to be like the birthplace of humanity.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
Yeah, but the cradle of civilization is in the Middle East,
so it could have also made sense to go to
the Middle East if they're like the ones who gave
them writing. So I don't know. I feel like there
were I wish they would have came to Earth like
while it was like on the cusp of civilization after

(58:33):
agriculture was discovered, not pre agriculture, like that's crazy, Like
it could have been cool if they're like, oh, you
know you can, we can teach them how to write,
and like it would be legit. And there are like
some of the oldest like examples of cave drawings are
in France, so they could have landed anywhere and there

(58:55):
would have been like, oh, some way to tie it
back to like this human history that we have. I
don't know. I really do wish that they weren't all
wearing coats and jackets and backpacks when they were coming in,
And I wish they would have shown them like how
they were spreading out, because it looks like it would
have been cool if there was a raptor with like

(59:16):
a couple of people and they were dropped off and
then they put the raptor back on the ship and
they're like bye bye raptor.

Speaker 3 (59:22):
But they didn't.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
I feel like they didn't think about it too hard.

Speaker 3 (59:26):
Oh you know, I should also put on my list
of things that don't add ups, Like if you go
to another planet and even if like life has evolved
on that planet, like you're not going to be able
to eat anything there.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
Your gut's going to be wrecked. That's what I was
thinking too. I'm like, man, when it was when Heilo, Hara,
and and Sharon were walking in that valley, and I'm like, man,
what are they gonna because they were talking about hunting,
and I'm like, what are they going to forage because
it's not always hunting season, or how are they going

(59:59):
to like decide what it's good to eat and what's not.
Because I feel like in that time, like when we're
talking about like the beginning of humanity, there was probably
a lot of trial and error when it came to
like berries and nuts and other like mushrooms and shit
like that, Like there was I feel like the colonizers

(01:00:20):
are going to eat the wrong thing and just drop
dead in the middle of the forest because they're like, Ooh,
this berry looks good.

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
If only we kept some equipment to test it, right.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
I'm like, surely they're going to keep like a censor
or something.

Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
But yeah, that's why I'm saying, like all these guys
died within a couple months, and maybe some of the
cylons lived. All right, are you ready to move on? Yeah,
it's time for the Astral Queen.

Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
Astral Queen, who was the standout character in the episode.

Speaker 3 (01:00:54):
This was a big episode. How do we even how
do we.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
Even do it? I feel like I want to give
mind a race.

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
Track for having her hand on the trigger.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
For being able to maneuver and like go and position
herself after like her pressure cabin her cabin pressure and
everything else was like going a rye. She was able
to like save the day essentially.

Speaker 3 (01:01:18):
Was she even alive at that point? Like, didn't the
ship get bumped by something.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
She's wearing her helmet to breathe, so even the ship
definitely like lost pressure because a rock went right through
the windshield and he killed that guy. But they're wearing
their spacesuits, so I'm like, surely she can breathe at
least for a couple of hours. And I think that's
how she was able to get it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
For me, this is a really strong Baltar episode. Oh yeah,
and and Caprica six are the ones that kind of
rescue Hara. But I'm also thinking about Starbuck since she
jumped them to a planet where they can all live.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
Yeah, but by that logic, it was actually hair was
like a little coloring.

Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
That did it, maybe, But I mean Starbucks did the
work to figure out this is like math I'm going
to put numbers on all this. So yeah, I'm gonna
go with Starbucks because I always like picking the person
I feel like saves the day and she got them
out of there into a new home. Yeah, and no
one else is gonna be able to do that. So

(01:02:22):
Racetrack and Starbuck the last Astral Queens of the season.
But before before you ask, we are coming back to
cover the Plan. I think we'll take a moment before
we get to it, just because like this is the finale,
Like I want that to be clear, Like this is
the finale of the show. The Plan is just like
some extra content that's gonna fill in some gaps that

(01:02:44):
we've long forgotten about. But I was thinking of releasing
that episode on the twentieth anniversary of Battle Star, which
will be in December. I think it's December eighth. It
will be twenty years since the mini series premiered.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
Just you're old. Did you watch it when it came out?

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
No, I watched it when the final season was airing,
when I started watching it. So I think I told
this story at the very beginning of the podcast in
our like intro episode, but like I was watching it
on DVDs from Netflix, because that was a thing. They
just announced that they're stopping that service. So yeah, I

(01:03:26):
was like watching on DVDs throughout like a whole summer.
When I was I was working two jobs, like a
full time job and a part time job, and I
was going to school and the only thing I had
going for me in my life was like, I can
get my homework done, I can watch an episode of
Battle Star Galactica before I start this whole awful cyclicking.
So that's what I did. That's how I watched it

(01:03:47):
the first time. By the time I got to season four,
like they had just released that box set, so I
was able to watch it all uninterrupted. But yeah, so
that is the plan for the plan. And then on
that episode, I assume we'll have an announcement about what
we're going to do next with this podcast right on,
and yeah, I guess there's no spoiler section. This is

(01:04:09):
the end day.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
Nice.

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
Well, well, we appreciate spending this time with us. This
is probably a longer episode than usual. We got a
lot to cover.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
It was good though, good ride.

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
Yeah, I mean, you really enjoyed doing this series, and
we're happy to do it and happy that you chose
to come along with us. Thank you, so say we.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
All, so, say we all. Oh and the new president
is Lampkin. Vote for Lampkin.

Speaker 3 (01:04:33):
Oh yeah, Lampkin is the president. Ho SHEI made adirle.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
Yeah, so you know, white man progress. All right, we're done.
Let's do it too.

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
Just gotta be some kind of way out of here.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
Thank you for spacing out with zeb and Jason. You
can help us out by subscribing and leaving a positive
rating or review. Next time, we will cover the Battlestar
Galactica TV movie The Plan. We hope you will join us,
so say we all. Mm hmm