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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to spacing Out with BB and Jason this week
covering Battlestar Galactica Season three episode sixteen, Dirty Hands.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Ye, welcome back.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
I'm Baby and I'm Jason, and this is spacing out
where we discuss a piece of film or television, in
this case Battlestar Galactica. If you are new to the show,
then we will have a spoiler seccent Ooh. We will
have a spoiler section at the end of the podcast.
Otherwise we won't be spoiling anything past this episode, which
is Battlestar Galactica Season three episode sixteen, Dirty Hands You.
(00:40):
This aired on February twenty fifth, two thousand and seven.
Written by Jane Espinson and Ann Koffel Saunders, directed by
Wayne Rose. The survivor count It's forty one thousand, four
hundred people, which is an edition of two from the
last time. In this episode, unsafe working conditions across the
fleet lead to fuel sabotage and work stoppages. Chief TiAl
(01:02):
is dispatched to get the Tillium ship back to refining fuel,
but after seeing the working conditions, he sides with the
workers and Baltar's manifesto is being distributed amongst the fleet,
sturring feelings of dissent among the working class.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Vibe check. Did we like the episode overall? How does
it stand the test of time?
Speaker 3 (01:25):
How'd you feel about this episode?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
I liked it. I thought it was a good episode.
I always enjoy a good class struggle storyline where it's,
you know, kind of highlighting the discrepancies between one social
class over the other and talking about the actual division
of labor and how unfair it is. I thought that
(01:48):
was really good.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Yeah. I think it's a really good episode too. Yeah,
just a lot of really good points are made throughout
the episode about how the conditions of the working class
are enduring and the separation of the of what did
balt are called aristocracy in the working class?
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Balter was like stirring the pot without even knowing it
in some ways. I think that was his intention to
highlight the differences between those in charge and those who
make the world run, Like just because you're in charge,
it doesn't mean you're in charge. There's power and production
and labor.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Yeah. I also liked seeing how the fleet operates and
like the experience of people other than just like those
on Galactica.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Yeah, Trivia time, what facts could we uncover for Dirty Hands.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
So the original production title for this episode was Our Enemies,
Ourselves and it was also a completely different story. It
was a continuation of the Sagittarian story that was in
The Woman King, and in that episode, du Walla was
to represent the government and its dealings with the Sagittaris,
who perceive her as a trader before she ends up
(03:03):
siding with the Sagittarians, and then at the end, Adama
was going to give the Sagittarians their own shit. But
as we mentioned before, the Sagittarians were initially going to
play a large part Baltar's trial, and then they ended
up going a different direction with the trial, so they
kind of dropped all the Sagittarian storylines, and so they
decided to create a new episode focused on class struggle,
(03:23):
and that's how we got this episode. And because there
were such drastic script changes, this was actually supposed to
air before last week's episode A Day in the Life,
but since they had to do so many changes, it
got swapped in the order. Scenes aboard the Tillian Refinery
ship were filmed in a sugar mill, and the tillium
shown is actually raw unrefined sugar.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Oh it looks like sand.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Yeah, deep space dive. Let's break down some of our
thoughts on the episode. You can share your thoughts with
us through email, Facebook, or Twitter. We may use your
comments on an upcoming episode.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
I think the first thing we see is we see
like a lot of a lot of busy work going
on on the deck.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
But then nah, a homegirl comes in and she's doing
the laundry duty. And she apparently signed up to be
a viper pilot and they told her that her laundry
duty was too important to leave. Yeah, and I'm like, what,
she could train anybody to do that laundry job.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Well, I think she does more than the laundry, but
that's what she was doing on that shift.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Yeah. Well, and some guy told her that she was
too good at folding old men's underwear and she really
hated that. And it sucks like there's no upward mobility
in your job in this society and this shit. And
that's really shitty because who wants to stay at the
same job when, especially if they're qualified to do other
(04:53):
things and they know they're qualified, Like you proved that
you can do that other thing. You passed all the exams,
you did, all the you did all the legwork to
get out of there, and you still didn't get it.
Like that sucks. And so as they're doing that, there's
like something happens with the fucking fuel.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Yeah, and then on the raptor and it nearly kills
the president Torri on Colonial one, Yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
They cut away from that, which sucks. I would have
loved to see that. But so the fuel is bad.
Is that what it is or they stopped making fuel?
I don't get it. Is it bad or is it
not happening?
Speaker 3 (05:34):
I believe it was sabotage. But later they kind of
go through like by like we have all these issues
and that's why this this fuel issues can happen. Okay,
But when they when they arrest the first guy, it's
his name Finner, he kind of implies that like, I'm
gonna we're gonna have more glitches since it gets me
FaceTime with the president and a DAMA. So yeah, because
(05:58):
it's kind of applying that like it wasn't necessar just
the glitch is intentional, Right, he's saying like or maybe
he's just saying, we're going to make sure these glitches
keep happening.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
I don't know. It's hard to tell because he's and
it's kind of awful that it's true that it takes
a problem for him to be able to speak to
the president when he has other issues that he wants
to bring up. That's not cool, and like, how do
you get an audience, Like if you can't talk to
them during the time that you need them, Like you
(06:30):
put out messages, and you put out messages and nobody responds.
But then finally you guys stop working and then all
of a sudden, you have an audience with the two
most important people in the fleet. You finally have their ear,
You have them in the palm of your hand. But
then the motherfucker goes and quotes Baltar's shit, and the
President just has a fucking hissy fit, and she's like, oh,
(06:52):
fuck you, you're under arrest. You read a book I
don't like, which seems illegal. It seems illegal that just
because somebody read a book you don't like that speaks
against you, and you're a public and you're like, I
don't know what it's called, your regime or whatever, doesn't
(07:13):
mean that it should be illegal. If this is a
free society.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
No, Well, she had the grounds to arrest them without that,
but once he quoted.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
That, that just sent her over the edge.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
So then they get Chief Tyrrel to go take charge,
and he goes. He tours the refinery and he learns
that they've removed the pressure seals and protests to stop
the work.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
They're probably just tired. Yeah, they don't get breaks. Sounds
like they do that job a lot. They don't even
get rotating rn R whatever the fuck he called it.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
It's also really dark in there, like it seemed dangerously dark.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
I think they did that for effect.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
So then yes, Tyrrel reports that back to Daman and Roslyn,
and then they have another guy arrested. Then when Chief
goes to visit Finner and the other guy in prison,
it finds Cabots got some PTSD from being in prison
on New Caprica, and that causes them eventually to give
up where those pressure seals are, and the work gets
(08:10):
restarted and everything's good and happy again, and that's the end.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
It wasn't him that gave it up, though, it was
his partner, first guy that got arrested, because he was
really worried about him. Yeah, he didn't want it they
didn't want to tell like the other guy wasn't well
enough to do anything. He was freaking the fuck out,
and I would consider that cruel and unusual punishment honestly, honestly,
it wasn't cool. I don't know why the president is
doing this. I think it's unfair, uncalled for, and weird
(08:38):
because ultimately she gives in like, yeah, the only reason
that they care about what is happening is because they
have their guy being the voice box for the struggle.
Because that was the first guy that came in was
asking for the same things. He just didn't articulate them well.
And he didn't use the word strike because if he
would have said, no, we're on strike, and that might
(09:00):
have been a different conversation potentially, but he didn't know
the words. And Chief Harold knows the language of the
union and understands like we need to unionize. But the
only reason and this pisses me off personally, the only
reason that he chose to do that is because there
were children who were endangered and he finally saw one
get mamed. Because the first time he saw the kids,
(09:22):
it wasn't a big deal. He kind OF's like, there's
kids there and then the fucking president's reactions like there's
kids everywhere was trash and that should have been enough.
That should have been enough to say, we need to
stop working. There are children there, we're endangering the lives
of young people, and we need to reassess the safety
protocols of this ship. Period. But that wasn't enough, and
(09:44):
that made me mad.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Well, first he gets them to recruit more people to
work there so that there's people and get you know,
shifts off and rotate out a little bit, but that
ends up them recruiting people that potentially aren't qualified, even
though they might look it on paper. Point in case
was that young kid who worked a summer on a
farm and was classified as a farmer, which I don't know,
(10:06):
I had some summer jobs. I might have been stuck
being a custodian or a pizza delivery guy for the
rest of my life in this situation, yeah, which delivering
food across the fleet could be fun.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Maybe I didn't like Roslin's whole vibe, the whole episode
when she went into a baltar cell and she's like,
rip open his cot look for those pages. And then
when that guy was taking off baltar shirt and then
gently on pulling the string on his pants. That was
(10:39):
a little bit sensual, a little bit sexual in Undos felt.
And then it was emphasized by the fact that the
woman in his head was putting her hand down his
pants as well at the same time. And I'm like,
oh my god, he's gonna get a boner during his interrogation.
(11:00):
And he does have the pages, and it makes me wonder, like,
what else is he writing? But Roslin tells him nobody's
read anything. I'm just curious about the next pages where
And he's like, oh shit, well here they are. But
she lied to him because apparently it's been distributed throughout
the fleet and it's causing problems. Yeah, I don't think
(11:23):
they're I think that the problems were already there. This
just gave people the words and the and the direction
to recognize the problems and give the problems names because
that problem was always there. We were always overworked, and
we were always subjugated to like the upper crust. The
(11:45):
bourgeoisie has always been making us do things. And so
now we have the language that tells us that this
is class warfare and we need that, we really need that,
and it's kind of amazing that this man from prison
is able to give us that in a way, like
even though he's in prison, he's able to eradicate change
because these problems are real. Yeah, I'm just having the
(12:07):
language to talk about it gives you power, yes, yes,
And I think that's why education is so important. But
Roslind just wants people to inherit their jobs, and which
is so fucked up. It's so fucked up. You can't
have a caste system in a quote unquote free society
in my opinion. Maybe it works for other cultures, but
(12:28):
this is supposed to be like a very western centric,
very European democratic democratic type of like vibe that they
give off here and to me, when I think about
the word freedom and I think about like all that shit.
I don't think about inheriting a job. I think about
(12:49):
like the fact that I can do whatever job I want.
And I think it is fair that they put aristocrats
in like menial jobs like picking up trash or washing
clothes or cleaning rooms or whatever. I think everyone should
have to do that kind of job at least once
in their life to have an appreciation for that type
(13:10):
of role. If you've never done anything like that. If
you've never had to serve people or work for people
or clean after people, then you don't know how to
appreciate that in your own life. And some of us
have done it forever, you know, like worked in customer
service or working as like dishwashers or whatever, and that's
(13:31):
the job that you do have because other jobs are
not available for you, even though you're skilled in other jobs.
I think it should be a rotating system, like you
do this job for six months, and then you do
another job for six months, and then you come back again,
like every once in a while, you do a rotation
of fucking cleaning up shit sanitation.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
That's basically what they land on in the air.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Yeah, And I think that's a great idea because it
I think it should it should humble people.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Yeah, U was so resistant to listening to any of
these ideas. I mean, in part, I get because it
is being done at a threat, basically under threat. Yeah,
but it sounds like she had weeks of these complaints
coming in from the refinery. Just a dama is basically
(14:21):
like no one gets to disobey orders. Because once once
she fell back in line at the end and called
off the strike. Then he's like, the President's waiting to
talk to you about all your demands.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Yeah, but you had to give up, you had to surrender.
You are the one who loses. You have to be
the loser in order for us to give you what
you want. And that's fucked up. That's fucked up. I
hated it. I didn't like it. I didn't like how
they treated it. It made me dislike Adama and Roslin,
and I'm like, that sucks because they're supposed to be likable,
(14:53):
but I guess they're not there. They are who they are,
and they're complex characters, but their complexity didn't show in this.
They were very flat. No, they didn't have any compassion
or empathy. They just wanted that fuel and they needed
that fuel now, even though there's no threat of danger
at this time, we've been out of the cylon's reach
for months now. The fact that you haven't been like
(15:15):
saving fuel is maybe the question, like how have you
been wasting fuel and all these like little things. Maybe
let's talk about fuel conservation. I don't think that's been
their issue. I think they've said they've basically been sitting
still for a while because the refinery. Ship has been
having issues, huh and so, but they only have enough
(15:36):
tillium refined at the moment to jump once, maybe twice
with the whole fleet. So if cylons show up, I mean,
there's nothing they can do.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
If they don't have fuel.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
There's a potential for them to leave people behind.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Yeah, So Baltar's books being distributed, Cali's been reading it,
A lot of people have been reading it. Then when
Thirol finds some pages from the book, he goes and
visits Baltar. He doesn't believe Baltar's story, but then Baltar
starts revealing how he changed his accent to fit in
with Kaeprikins. And I guess Baltar's main point is to
show that the class struggle has continued to follow the fleet,
(16:11):
and he's also trying to paint a picture of himself
prior to going on trial.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Then Danny Noon dreds his arm trying to unjam the
conveyor belt, and that causes Gerial to declare the strike
chief is arrested. He threatens Cali. Yeah, we covered all that.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Yeah, I like that Cali got pinpointed as a mastermind.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
What did she do but convey an order from the Chief.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
No, she's a mastermind. I was crazy when Adama was like,
I'm willing to shoot ten calis in order to get
my fuel. That was crazy. That's out of character.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
Even it was creepy tough Odama. Yeah, this isn't smoking
weed on New Kaprica Adama.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
No.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
No.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Then at the end we have Celix who has denied
her flight training in the beginning as in four by
the Chief and Starbuck that she's gonna go. She's late
already for her first day of training.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
I can't believe they made her late. They could have
told her earlier. But maybe the what are they called,
the people on the brig or the calf or what
is it called the cag team. What are they called
those people with the orange jumpsuits, the knuckle draggers that
seems offensive. The deck crew, the deck crew. Maybe the
(17:26):
deck crew starts a little later than the viper people.
But still they could have told her. But I guess
it was cute that they made it like this announcement
in front of all their friends and be like.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Oh, little ceremony because she gets a promotion. Basically, yeah,
she's an officer now. I thought that was a really
nice way to the book end the episode, showing that
changes happened and there is upward mobility.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Possible, but only for white women. And d she's a trader, though,
a race trader. You heard her in that last episode
where she's like, Sagittarians are stubborn assholes. You have to
talk shit on your own people to get ahead. And
mary A Kaeprikin, Yeah, and people notice.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
All right, let's move on.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Then Astral Queen, who was the standout character in the episode.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
My Astral Queen is going to be chief hero. Even
though he was slow on the uptake, he did what
needed to be done.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Yeah, I don't know, like who else.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
It would be Baltar for writing a good book. Yeah,
having sexual thoughts while a man was unzipping his pants.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
It did seem to take like a long time, but
they got his shirt off and then the guy starts
like untying his pants.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
It was really flow.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
And then there's like a whole interaction he has with
number six in his head and that guy is like
still trying to get into his pants.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
He's savoring the moment. Maybe that guy should be the
Astral Queen for taking his time.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
But yeah, I think Chief is the choice to make here.
When these episodes are so focused like this, it's it's
easier to choose.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Yeah, it really is.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
All right, two awards headed to the Chief, and that
will do it for the main part of the episode.
We're going to go into the spoiler section.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Join us for the next episode called what's it called?
Speaker 3 (19:19):
I'm not entirely sure if I'm saying it right, but
Malstrom Malstrom.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
All right, spoilers, let's put our living stereo stylus in
this group.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Brace for impact spoilers ahead. If you haven't seen the
whole series, now is the time to say goodbye. Remember
you can contact us at spacingoupod at gmail dot com,
find us on Facebook and Twitter, share your thoughts and
be a part of the discussion. Spoilers in five four
(19:51):
three two one.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
So Chief, Tyrol and Cali in the last episode, you
know they were ejected into space and they're so recovered,
and we see that Calli is not recovering as fast
as Chief, and that's probably because he's a cylon, because
he is up and about touring factories. We're going to
meet Baltar's lawyer in a couple episodes and then.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
He's going to get replaced. Yeah, even though he's done
so much. Good for him. Well, I'm good, let's go.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
No no spoilers from you.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
I can't think of any.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
I mean, it's very much again a standalone episode. Oh yeah,
I don't think we really revisit much from this episode.
For Yeah, we're heading to the end of the season.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Hooray, it's almost over, and then we get another season.
I like it when we start moving more towards like
the conspiracies, even though I hate the music. I don't
know why they picked that Jimmy Hendrix song. They could
have paid something else. That Jimmy Hendrix song is weird.
Maybe that's the only when they had the rights to
(20:52):
and maybe the guys who wrote this are really big
Jimmy Hendrix swams. But Jimmy Hendrix was a black musician
who was very fluential and his music is like incredible.
But I don't think it ever had like a double
on tundra or like the music was about what it
was about, you know. And there's also no not a
lot of black people in this show.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Well, the song All Along the Watchtower is originally by
Bob Dylan. Oh, and then what's featured in Battlestar is
like a cover version. So I know, like Jimi Hendrix
is probably the most popular version of it.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
So when I think about, okay, so that's interesting. I
didn't know Bob Dylan. Okay, so that's a white man,
so I guess that makes more sense. But I don't know.
I would have picked something different. I would have picked
something more melodic. This one's really hard and edgy. I
would have picked something like more theeal more and I
hate to say it because it feels classist, but more
(21:46):
fitting of the opera house. Something that would fit into
that opera house would have been more sensical, or at
least change the venue. Give us a rock show, you
know what I mean. I don't know. I get frustrated.
I get back and forth on this, and you'll probably
see it more as we progress through the episodes that
(22:07):
I get more excited about all the silable shit.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Well, we're headed into that kind of era of the
show where we're going to get more into the mythical
side of things, and it once we like the end
of the season, like I think it comes pretty clear
that like we're in the end game now and we're
we're headed towards the end of this journey. And I
think a lot of people don't like Season four a
(22:33):
lot because of the overall direction and the way it
kind of goes all in on the pylon spiritual kind
of side of it. Yeah, because I think initially, like
the show is very grounded, right.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
And it's very logical and very real, and it's kind.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Of like you're standing on the shore and you're dipping
your toe into the mystical elements of it. And then
we get a little bit further in a show and
now we're standing with our ankles the mystical elements, and
then season four like we're just walking out into the water.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Yeah no, and I didn't consent to that.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Yeah, all right, Well, then we'll see you next time
for Maelstrom and try to stay out of prison.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yeah, don't piss off the president.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Thank you for spacing out with BB and Jason. You
can help us out by subscribing and leaving a positive
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season three, episode seventeen. Maelstrom, we hope you will join us,
so say we all
Welcome to spacing Out with BB and Jason this week
covering Battlestar Galactica Season three episode sixteen, Dirty Hands.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Ye, welcome back.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
I'm Baby and I'm Jason, and this is spacing out
where we discuss a piece of film or television, in
this case Battlestar Galactica. If you are new to the show,
then we will have a spoiler seccent Ooh. We will
have a spoiler section at the end of the podcast.
Otherwise we won't be spoiling anything past this episode, which
is Battlestar Galactica Season three episode sixteen, Dirty Hands You.
(00:40):
This aired on February twenty fifth, two thousand and seven.
Written by Jane Espinson and Ann Koffel Saunders, directed by
Wayne Rose. The survivor count It's forty one thousand, four
hundred people, which is an edition of two from the
last time. In this episode, unsafe working conditions across the
fleet lead to fuel sabotage and work stoppages. Chief TiAl
(01:02):
is dispatched to get the Tillium ship back to refining fuel,
but after seeing the working conditions, he sides with the
workers and Baltar's manifesto is being distributed amongst the fleet,
sturring feelings of dissent among the working class.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Vibe check. Did we like the episode overall? How does
it stand the test of time?
Speaker 3 (01:25):
How'd you feel about this episode?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
I liked it. I thought it was a good episode.
I always enjoy a good class struggle storyline where it's,
you know, kind of highlighting the discrepancies between one social
class over the other and talking about the actual division
of labor and how unfair it is. I thought that
(01:48):
was really good.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Yeah. I think it's a really good episode too. Yeah,
just a lot of really good points are made throughout
the episode about how the conditions of the working class
are enduring and the separation of the of what did
balt are called aristocracy in the working class?
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Balter was like stirring the pot without even knowing it
in some ways. I think that was his intention to
highlight the differences between those in charge and those who
make the world run, Like just because you're in charge,
it doesn't mean you're in charge. There's power and production
and labor.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Yeah. I also liked seeing how the fleet operates and
like the experience of people other than just like those
on Galactica.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Yeah, Trivia time, what facts could we uncover for Dirty Hands.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
So the original production title for this episode was Our Enemies,
Ourselves and it was also a completely different story. It
was a continuation of the Sagittarian story that was in
The Woman King, and in that episode, du Walla was
to represent the government and its dealings with the Sagittaris,
who perceive her as a trader before she ends up
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siding with the Sagittarians, and then at the end, Adama
was going to give the Sagittarians their own shit. But
as we mentioned before, the Sagittarians were initially going to
play a large part Baltar's trial, and then they ended
up going a different direction with the trial, so they
kind of dropped all the Sagittarian storylines, and so they
decided to create a new episode focused on class struggle,
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and that's how we got this episode. And because there
were such drastic script changes, this was actually supposed to
air before last week's episode A Day in the Life,
but since they had to do so many changes, it
got swapped in the order. Scenes aboard the Tillian Refinery
ship were filmed in a sugar mill, and the tillium
shown is actually raw unrefined sugar.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Oh it looks like sand.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Yeah, deep space dive. Let's break down some of our
thoughts on the episode. You can share your thoughts with
us through email, Facebook, or Twitter. We may use your
comments on an upcoming episode.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
I think the first thing we see is we see
like a lot of a lot of busy work going
on on the deck.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
But then nah, a homegirl comes in and she's doing
the laundry duty. And she apparently signed up to be
a viper pilot and they told her that her laundry
duty was too important to leave. Yeah, and I'm like, what,
she could train anybody to do that laundry job.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Well, I think she does more than the laundry, but
that's what she was doing on that shift.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Yeah. Well, and some guy told her that she was
too good at folding old men's underwear and she really
hated that. And it sucks like there's no upward mobility
in your job in this society and this shit. And
that's really shitty because who wants to stay at the
same job when, especially if they're qualified to do other
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things and they know they're qualified, Like you proved that
you can do that other thing. You passed all the exams,
you did, all the you did all the legwork to
get out of there, and you still didn't get it.
Like that sucks. And so as they're doing that, there's
like something happens with the fucking fuel.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Yeah, and then on the raptor and it nearly kills
the president Torri on Colonial one, Yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
They cut away from that, which sucks. I would have
loved to see that. But so the fuel is bad.
Is that what it is or they stopped making fuel?
I don't get it. Is it bad or is it
not happening?
Speaker 3 (05:34):
I believe it was sabotage. But later they kind of
go through like by like we have all these issues
and that's why this this fuel issues can happen. Okay,
But when they when they arrest the first guy, it's
his name Finner, he kind of implies that like, I'm
gonna we're gonna have more glitches since it gets me
FaceTime with the president and a DAMA. So yeah, because
(05:58):
it's kind of applying that like it wasn't necessar just
the glitch is intentional, Right, he's saying like or maybe
he's just saying, we're going to make sure these glitches
keep happening.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
I don't know. It's hard to tell because he's and
it's kind of awful that it's true that it takes
a problem for him to be able to speak to
the president when he has other issues that he wants
to bring up. That's not cool, and like, how do
you get an audience, Like if you can't talk to
them during the time that you need them, Like you
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put out messages, and you put out messages and nobody responds.
But then finally you guys stop working and then all
of a sudden, you have an audience with the two
most important people in the fleet. You finally have their ear,
You have them in the palm of your hand. But
then the motherfucker goes and quotes Baltar's shit, and the
President just has a fucking hissy fit, and she's like, oh,
(06:52):
fuck you, you're under arrest. You read a book I
don't like, which seems illegal. It seems illegal that just
because somebody read a book you don't like that speaks
against you, and you're a public and you're like, I
don't know what it's called, your regime or whatever, doesn't
(07:13):
mean that it should be illegal. If this is a
free society.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
No, Well, she had the grounds to arrest them without that,
but once he quoted.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
That, that just sent her over the edge.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
So then they get Chief Tyrrel to go take charge,
and he goes. He tours the refinery and he learns
that they've removed the pressure seals and protests to stop
the work.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
They're probably just tired. Yeah, they don't get breaks. Sounds
like they do that job a lot. They don't even
get rotating rn R whatever the fuck he called it.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
It's also really dark in there, like it seemed dangerously dark.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
I think they did that for effect.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
So then yes, Tyrrel reports that back to Daman and Roslyn,
and then they have another guy arrested. Then when Chief
goes to visit Finner and the other guy in prison,
it finds Cabots got some PTSD from being in prison
on New Caprica, and that causes them eventually to give
up where those pressure seals are, and the work gets
(08:10):
restarted and everything's good and happy again, and that's the end.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
It wasn't him that gave it up, though, it was
his partner, first guy that got arrested, because he was
really worried about him. Yeah, he didn't want it they
didn't want to tell like the other guy wasn't well
enough to do anything. He was freaking the fuck out,
and I would consider that cruel and unusual punishment honestly, honestly,
it wasn't cool. I don't know why the president is
doing this. I think it's unfair, uncalled for, and weird
(08:38):
because ultimately she gives in like, yeah, the only reason
that they care about what is happening is because they
have their guy being the voice box for the struggle.
Because that was the first guy that came in was
asking for the same things. He just didn't articulate them well.
And he didn't use the word strike because if he
would have said, no, we're on strike, and that might
(09:00):
have been a different conversation potentially, but he didn't know
the words. And Chief Harold knows the language of the
union and understands like we need to unionize. But the
only reason and this pisses me off personally, the only
reason that he chose to do that is because there
were children who were endangered and he finally saw one
get mamed. Because the first time he saw the kids,
(09:22):
it wasn't a big deal. He kind OF's like, there's
kids there and then the fucking president's reactions like there's
kids everywhere was trash and that should have been enough.
That should have been enough to say, we need to
stop working. There are children there, we're endangering the lives
of young people, and we need to reassess the safety
protocols of this ship. Period. But that wasn't enough, and
(09:44):
that made me mad.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Well, first he gets them to recruit more people to
work there so that there's people and get you know,
shifts off and rotate out a little bit, but that
ends up them recruiting people that potentially aren't qualified, even
though they might look it on paper. Point in case
was that young kid who worked a summer on a
farm and was classified as a farmer, which I don't know,
(10:06):
I had some summer jobs. I might have been stuck
being a custodian or a pizza delivery guy for the
rest of my life in this situation, yeah, which delivering
food across the fleet could be fun.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Maybe I didn't like Roslin's whole vibe, the whole episode
when she went into a baltar cell and she's like,
rip open his cot look for those pages. And then
when that guy was taking off baltar shirt and then
gently on pulling the string on his pants. That was
(10:39):
a little bit sensual, a little bit sexual in Undos felt.
And then it was emphasized by the fact that the
woman in his head was putting her hand down his
pants as well at the same time. And I'm like,
oh my god, he's gonna get a boner during his interrogation.
(11:00):
And he does have the pages, and it makes me wonder, like,
what else is he writing? But Roslin tells him nobody's
read anything. I'm just curious about the next pages where
And he's like, oh shit, well here they are. But
she lied to him because apparently it's been distributed throughout
the fleet and it's causing problems. Yeah, I don't think
(11:23):
they're I think that the problems were already there. This
just gave people the words and the and the direction
to recognize the problems and give the problems names because
that problem was always there. We were always overworked, and
we were always subjugated to like the upper crust. The
(11:45):
bourgeoisie has always been making us do things. And so
now we have the language that tells us that this
is class warfare and we need that, we really need that,
and it's kind of amazing that this man from prison
is able to give us that in a way, like
even though he's in prison, he's able to eradicate change
because these problems are real. Yeah, I'm just having the
(12:07):
language to talk about it gives you power, yes, yes,
And I think that's why education is so important. But
Roslind just wants people to inherit their jobs, and which
is so fucked up. It's so fucked up. You can't
have a caste system in a quote unquote free society
in my opinion. Maybe it works for other cultures, but
(12:28):
this is supposed to be like a very western centric,
very European democratic democratic type of like vibe that they
give off here and to me, when I think about
the word freedom and I think about like all that shit.
I don't think about inheriting a job. I think about
(12:49):
like the fact that I can do whatever job I want.
And I think it is fair that they put aristocrats
in like menial jobs like picking up trash or washing
clothes or cleaning rooms or whatever. I think everyone should
have to do that kind of job at least once
in their life to have an appreciation for that type
(13:10):
of role. If you've never done anything like that. If
you've never had to serve people or work for people
or clean after people, then you don't know how to
appreciate that in your own life. And some of us
have done it forever, you know, like worked in customer
service or working as like dishwashers or whatever, and that's
(13:31):
the job that you do have because other jobs are
not available for you, even though you're skilled in other jobs.
I think it should be a rotating system, like you
do this job for six months, and then you do
another job for six months, and then you come back again,
like every once in a while, you do a rotation
of fucking cleaning up shit sanitation.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
That's basically what they land on in the air.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Yeah, And I think that's a great idea because it
I think it should it should humble people.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Yeah, U was so resistant to listening to any of
these ideas. I mean, in part, I get because it
is being done at a threat, basically under threat. Yeah,
but it sounds like she had weeks of these complaints
coming in from the refinery. Just a dama is basically
(14:21):
like no one gets to disobey orders. Because once once
she fell back in line at the end and called
off the strike. Then he's like, the President's waiting to
talk to you about all your demands.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Yeah, but you had to give up, you had to surrender.
You are the one who loses. You have to be
the loser in order for us to give you what
you want. And that's fucked up. That's fucked up. I
hated it. I didn't like it. I didn't like how
they treated it. It made me dislike Adama and Roslin,
and I'm like, that sucks because they're supposed to be likable,
(14:53):
but I guess they're not there. They are who they are,
and they're complex characters, but their complexity didn't show in this.
They were very flat. No, they didn't have any compassion
or empathy. They just wanted that fuel and they needed
that fuel now, even though there's no threat of danger
at this time, we've been out of the cylon's reach
for months now. The fact that you haven't been like
(15:15):
saving fuel is maybe the question, like how have you
been wasting fuel and all these like little things. Maybe
let's talk about fuel conservation. I don't think that's been
their issue. I think they've said they've basically been sitting
still for a while because the refinery. Ship has been
having issues, huh and so, but they only have enough
(15:36):
tillium refined at the moment to jump once, maybe twice
with the whole fleet. So if cylons show up, I mean,
there's nothing they can do.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
If they don't have fuel.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
There's a potential for them to leave people behind.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Yeah, So Baltar's books being distributed, Cali's been reading it,
A lot of people have been reading it. Then when
Thirol finds some pages from the book, he goes and
visits Baltar. He doesn't believe Baltar's story, but then Baltar
starts revealing how he changed his accent to fit in
with Kaeprikins. And I guess Baltar's main point is to
show that the class struggle has continued to follow the fleet,
(16:11):
and he's also trying to paint a picture of himself
prior to going on trial.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Then Danny Noon dreds his arm trying to unjam the
conveyor belt, and that causes Gerial to declare the strike
chief is arrested. He threatens Cali. Yeah, we covered all that.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Yeah, I like that Cali got pinpointed as a mastermind.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
What did she do but convey an order from the Chief.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
No, she's a mastermind. I was crazy when Adama was like,
I'm willing to shoot ten calis in order to get
my fuel. That was crazy. That's out of character.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
Even it was creepy tough Odama. Yeah, this isn't smoking
weed on New Kaprica Adama.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
No.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
No.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Then at the end we have Celix who has denied
her flight training in the beginning as in four by
the Chief and Starbuck that she's gonna go. She's late
already for her first day of training.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
I can't believe they made her late. They could have
told her earlier. But maybe the what are they called,
the people on the brig or the calf or what
is it called the cag team. What are they called
those people with the orange jumpsuits, the knuckle draggers that
seems offensive. The deck crew, the deck crew. Maybe the
(17:26):
deck crew starts a little later than the viper people.
But still they could have told her. But I guess
it was cute that they made it like this announcement
in front of all their friends and be like.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Oh, little ceremony because she gets a promotion. Basically, yeah,
she's an officer now. I thought that was a really
nice way to the book end the episode, showing that
changes happened and there is upward mobility.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Possible, but only for white women. And d she's a trader, though,
a race trader. You heard her in that last episode
where she's like, Sagittarians are stubborn assholes. You have to
talk shit on your own people to get ahead. And
mary A Kaeprikin, Yeah, and people notice.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
All right, let's move on.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Then Astral Queen, who was the standout character in the episode.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
My Astral Queen is going to be chief hero. Even
though he was slow on the uptake, he did what
needed to be done.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Yeah, I don't know, like who else.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
It would be Baltar for writing a good book. Yeah,
having sexual thoughts while a man was unzipping his pants.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
It did seem to take like a long time, but
they got his shirt off and then the guy starts
like untying his pants.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
It was really flow.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
And then there's like a whole interaction he has with
number six in his head and that guy is like
still trying to get into his pants.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
He's savoring the moment. Maybe that guy should be the
Astral Queen for taking his time.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
But yeah, I think Chief is the choice to make here.
When these episodes are so focused like this, it's it's
easier to choose.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Yeah, it really is.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
All right, two awards headed to the Chief, and that
will do it for the main part of the episode.
We're going to go into the spoiler section.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Join us for the next episode called what's it called?
Speaker 3 (19:19):
I'm not entirely sure if I'm saying it right, but
Malstrom Malstrom.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
All right, spoilers, let's put our living stereo stylus in
this group.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Brace for impact spoilers ahead. If you haven't seen the
whole series, now is the time to say goodbye. Remember
you can contact us at spacingoupod at gmail dot com,
find us on Facebook and Twitter, share your thoughts and
be a part of the discussion. Spoilers in five four
(19:51):
three two one.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
So Chief, Tyrol and Cali in the last episode, you
know they were ejected into space and they're so recovered,
and we see that Calli is not recovering as fast
as Chief, and that's probably because he's a cylon, because
he is up and about touring factories. We're going to
meet Baltar's lawyer in a couple episodes and then.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
He's going to get replaced. Yeah, even though he's done
so much. Good for him. Well, I'm good, let's go.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
No no spoilers from you.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
I can't think of any.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
I mean, it's very much again a standalone episode. Oh yeah,
I don't think we really revisit much from this episode.
For Yeah, we're heading to the end of the season.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Hooray, it's almost over, and then we get another season.
I like it when we start moving more towards like
the conspiracies, even though I hate the music. I don't
know why they picked that Jimmy Hendrix song. They could
have paid something else. That Jimmy Hendrix song is weird.
Maybe that's the only when they had the rights to
(20:52):
and maybe the guys who wrote this are really big
Jimmy Hendrix swams. But Jimmy Hendrix was a black musician
who was very fluential and his music is like incredible.
But I don't think it ever had like a double
on tundra or like the music was about what it
was about, you know. And there's also no not a
lot of black people in this show.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Well, the song All Along the Watchtower is originally by
Bob Dylan. Oh, and then what's featured in Battlestar is
like a cover version. So I know, like Jimi Hendrix
is probably the most popular version of it.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
So when I think about, okay, so that's interesting. I
didn't know Bob Dylan. Okay, so that's a white man,
so I guess that makes more sense. But I don't know.
I would have picked something different. I would have picked
something more melodic. This one's really hard and edgy. I
would have picked something like more theeal more and I
hate to say it because it feels classist, but more
(21:46):
fitting of the opera house. Something that would fit into
that opera house would have been more sensical, or at
least change the venue. Give us a rock show, you
know what I mean. I don't know. I get frustrated.
I get back and forth on this, and you'll probably
see it more as we progress through the episodes that
(22:07):
I get more excited about all the silable shit.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Well, we're headed into that kind of era of the
show where we're going to get more into the mythical
side of things, and it once we like the end
of the season, like I think it comes pretty clear
that like we're in the end game now and we're
we're headed towards the end of this journey. And I
think a lot of people don't like Season four a
(22:33):
lot because of the overall direction and the way it
kind of goes all in on the pylon spiritual kind
of side of it. Yeah, because I think initially, like
the show is very grounded, right.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
And it's very logical and very real, and it's kind.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Of like you're standing on the shore and you're dipping
your toe into the mystical elements of it. And then
we get a little bit further in a show and
now we're standing with our ankles the mystical elements, and
then season four like we're just walking out into the water.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Yeah no, and I didn't consent to that.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Yeah, all right, Well, then we'll see you next time
for Maelstrom and try to stay out of prison.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yeah, don't piss off the president.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
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