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Welcome to Spacing Out With BB and Jason! We’re covering the 2004 reboot of Battlestar Galactica, and this week we’re discussing season 4 episode 4, “Escape Velocity”. Thanks for joining us!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Spacing Out with BB and Jason this week
covering Battlestar Galacticus season four, episode four, Escape Velocity.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Welcome back.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
I'm BB and I'm Jason, and this is Spacing Out
where today we will be discussing Battlestar Galactica. If you
are new to the show, first of all, welcome, and
we will have a spoiler section at the end of
the podcast where we are free to discuss future events,
but otherwise we won't be spoiling anything past this episode,
which is Battlestar Galactica Season four, episode four, Escape Velocity.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Whatever that means yep.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
This aired on April twenty fifth, two thousand and eight.
Written by Jane Espenson, directed by Edward James. Almost may
have heard of him. The survivor count was thirty nine thousand,
six hundred and seventy five, which is a loss of
one person aka Cali.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Bat Cabbage can hold.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Show some respect. In this episode, the Cylons in the
fleet continue to struggle with their identities. Chief Terrell mourns
the death of his wife. Baltar Sect is attacked by
a group called These Sons of Aries. Laura Roslin undergoing
cancer treatments attempts to install Baltar's rising influence with an
(01:25):
emergency decree, the Ladama and the Quorum overturn it.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Five check. Did we like the episode overall? How does
it stand the test of time?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
I liked it.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
We dug it.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Yeah, I missed Starbuck, but it was pretty good.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Still, we're at the very end, they're like, oh, yeah,
Starbucks here too.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Yeah, she's taken a nap on these maps.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
She's asleep this whole episode a map map. What did
you like about it?
Speaker 2 (01:53):
I really enjoy the silence, just kind of freaking the
fuck out and their interactions with p and then an
episode with Baltar, and it's always fun. So I really
enjoyed those episodes where they highlight Baltar and his UFI shenanigans. Yeah,
and he was like literally being lifted by his inner
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monologue to like confront these like soldier dudes and they're like, dude,
we don't want to hit you, but we're going to
have to hit you again. And then he gave a
bloody speech at the end and sounded a lot like RuPaul.
So it was a good episode for me.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Yeah, I like that. The Three Cylons on Galactica are
they're all like processing their grief and their emotions differently. Yeah,
it's a good episode. I've been kind of realizing, like
this season is very serialized, more than like the rest
of the show has been. It's always been kind of serialized.
We have the whole the main storyline that goes across
(02:50):
large arts, you know. But it's also it's been been
more episodic in the past, where like each episode is
about its own concept, and I feel like right now
we're watching like they decided the story for the final
season and they broke it up in the episodes, you know.
So it's a little different when when we stop and
just look at one episode, because like like we're just
looking at one little sliver of the story that they're telling.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Yeah, but I think I can appreciate, Like, to me,
it's like a big painting where right now we're looking
at the brushstrokes and then at the end we'll see
the full picture and I can appreciate both. And that's
where I'm at with it.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Yeah, I mean I still like it. I think it's
still a good storytelling. Yeah, it's just it's a bit
of a change. And yeah, it's also like the drama
doesn't come from like the external threats anymore, Like it's
all been internal character conflict stuff. Yeah, just also really interesting.
So yeah, it holds up for me.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Trivia time. What facts could we uncover for escape velocity?
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Got a little bit of trivia? So the title escape
velocity is the minimum speed and object with alpropulsion needs
to needs to have to move away and definitely from
the source of a gravity field. So how fast something
needs to be moving to escape a gravity gravitational poll? Okay,
I don't know how that relates to the episode.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Maybe like the followers of many gods to one god
and how they have to pull away from like the
gravitational force of the norm the status quo. Maybe that's stretch,
but I'm willing to take it.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
In the original draft for the beginning of season four,
tom Zeric was behind the Sons of Ares and encourage
its attack on Baltar's cult. That tom Zeric was not
in the episode. That's the first time we learned Calli's
full name is Calandra Anderson Tyrrol.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
I don't bet she smells like cabbage.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Yes, we learned what she f really thought. During the
quorum discussion, one of the members compares Baltar's cult to
the followers of Mithras, which was a cult popular in
the Roman Empire.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Ooh for us, I don't know. It sounds like that
fake fucking armor from the Lord of the Rings Metro. Yeah,
me through us, the god of Light, whose cult spread
from India to the east, as far as west of Spain,
Great Britain and Germany. It's a Roman cult of Methras.
(05:17):
It's an Iranian god. Okay, come through Iranian god, guardian
of cattle, the harvest, and the waters. Okay, I can
get down. I'm in Tamethra. I would be in the cult.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
But that is all the trivia I had for this episode.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Okay, deep space dive, let's break down some of our
thoughts on the episode. You can share your thoughts with
us through email, Facebook, or Twitter. We may use your
comments on an upcoming episode.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
So we start with Kelly's funeral.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Yes, and Adama is like boring.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
But Roslin's like, remember I like this because I'm dying. Yes,
and like Chief is playing the part of like morning
spouse really well in this until the Cylons come up
to him to sell. They don't say anything. Everyone's like
sorry for your loss, so sorry for your loss. She
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was a good woman. And then fucking what's her name?
Tori comes up and she's just like.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
And uh, And I feel like she's trying to play
her role of like someone who doesn't really know Chief.
She's just here because she's the presidency.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
You still say sorry for your loss, not me. And
then fucking what's his name, old man Colonel Tie is
right behind her and he's like, hello, sorry for your
loss or something. He's like, er, he's.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Grumpy, and then the Chief's eyes get twice as.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Big and he like gets I had never seen his
eyes pop up out of his face so hard, and
he's like, you're gonna ruin. You're gonna out us to
the whole fleet right now. And they leave and it's
the most awkward interaction at the funeral, and I feel
like everybody saw it.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Yeah, Leodama's trying to shake his hand.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
And he's like, I'm waiting in the line here, like
everybody wants a piece of Chief because he's like one
of the most popular guys. Apparently everybody showed up for
his wife's funeral. I don't know if Calli was that popular,
but I'm pretty sure they're shown up for she you know.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
See, I feel like anytime someone in the service dies,
there's they show the service for it.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
And yeah, well, anyway, so Kelly has her funeral and
she's dead.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
And then so Colonel Tye and Tory go meet Chief
in his quarters to be like, what the fuck was that?
Speaker 2 (07:53):
And the baby's just crying.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Yeah, and I love the fact that Colonel Tye goes
and changes that diaper X screen well Tory and te
for talking. He's back there just like swaddowing this baby.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Getting that baby shut the fuck up. That baby's always
fucking crying. I swear to god, Oh my god, I'm
tired of that baby crying. And and like later he
goes and drinks at the bar and he's just drinking
his troubles away, minding his own fucking business. And the
person who's like in charge of driving the ship and
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making sure everything is cool and dandy and like up
to order just happens to be at the bar and
we have a dama come up to him and be like,
sorry about your loss, and he's like, you don't know
about my loss, dude, you don't know anything about my life, man.
And he's like you're you're just mourning and he's like, no,
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I'm not mourning. I'm glad she's fucking dead. She smelled bad,
she was lazy eyed and a bitch or something. They
were always fighting and he's talking about he brings up Sharon,
who happens to be a silot, and now he founds
out that he's a silon and he's like did we
always know what was going on? And I think he's
(09:09):
dealing with a lot. And he pushes Admiral Odama to
the point where Admiral's like, all right, you're danger to
our ship. You're no longer chief. I don't know what
he is.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
He's a specialist now.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Yeah, so he's getting reassigned and I think he really
shit the bed because now he can't like meet up
and have a secret silo meeting if he gets reassigned
to a different ship. So, but that was really fun
to see just him losing his shit.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
So that was also after Racetracks ship.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Oh yeah, because he was. But I think he wasn't
his fault because they were hurrying him up. They were like,
hurry up, dude, I got to be out there doing
my drills or like, dude, it's a drill, okay, Like
it's not. There's no real danger right now. If you
make me hurry up, then you'll be in real and
guess what happened. You rushed me and now you're in
(10:03):
real danger.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Yeah, but they're under that pressure all the time.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
But yeah, he destroyed that little bus. It's like the
short bus ship. I don't know what that was about.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
It's a.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
No, but that's what they called it. When they were
in the air. She the one of the guys was like,
you better get your bus going. It's a bus and
she's like, well, what if this is a bus, then
you're riding a bicycle and he's like, no, I'm driving
a race car. It was like a dick measuring contest.
I don't know, I'd rather be riding a bus.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Racetrack. Has had like so many close calls in the
series because she back when the fuel was being sabotaged,
like her ship crashed into the Presidentship Colonial one. Oh yeah.
And then they also when that guy was trying to
blow up Baltar's lawyers, there was a bomb on her
raptor that they barely caught because of that cat. So yeah,
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she's always just.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Like almost gonna die.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Yeah, like every time she gets on board, like you
just prepare for danger. Yeah. So I don't know, Chief
is he's not holding it together too well. And I
think I think he partially felt that, like he was
a danger to the crew in his condition and wanted
to be demoted.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
So you think that intentionally, well.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
I think he's also trying to process a lot between
his wife's death and his newfound Cylon identity and.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
His half breed baby.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Yeah. I like that that gets mentioned, even though it
was it was all in Chief's head. But yeah, if
he's a Cylon, then he has a half Silon kid.
So most of the rest of the episode is balt
Our stuff, right, uh huh. Well, and Colonel Tye and
Number six.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
As well, Oh yeah, they have their moments.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
That's the whole other side of Colonel Tye trying to
process who he is and also still grieving the death
of his wife.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
I thought it was weird when he kept switching her
back and forth in his head trying to get answers
about himself like stealthy and then like I don't understand
and why Number six kicked his ass and then started
making out with him. I feel like it's one or
the other.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Well, she changed her mind. I don't get why. Yeah,
it's weird. Their whole thing is weird, and I'm not
into it.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
I'm not into it either, But.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Are you into cults against cults? Cult wars?
Speaker 2 (12:21):
I don't know. I feel like Guyas isn't really doing
a lot to become this like religious leader. He's literally
like pulling quotes out of a can. Like it's it's like,
if you don't know how to love yourself, then how
are you going to love somebody else. And you know,
we're all perfect and God loves us and he made
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us perfect. And I'm just like, and I don't understand
why people are crying and clapping about it. Maybe because
he's covered in blood. Like when the attack from the
Sons of Anarchy or whatever they're called whatever, they were motorcycles.
I bet if they could have motorcycles, they would have them. Okay,
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they were giving those vibes, they were giving the you
will not replace us vibes whenever they came in Baltar
immediately jumped and hid, yes, immediately, And Tori saw that,
and she's like, hmmm, I don't know how she felt
about that she was also teasing him. She came into
pulling his hair out, and I'm like, he's going to
(13:30):
get a bolt spot. She's like, what if we mix
pain and pleasure? And he's like, I liked it better
when you were crying, And I'm like, this interaction is weird.
What he's saying and what she's saying. It's like inappropriate
and they shouldn't be Like this doesn't feel consensual anymore.
(13:51):
Like the fact that he's like, I liked it better
when you were crying is kind of insulting. And the
fact that she's like hurting him is also like pushing
the line because it obviously shows that he's not into it.
He's saying now, he's saying no. Even if he's not
outright saying no, you can tell that it's a no
for him.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Well, and she's using her like superior cylon strength to
hold him down.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Yeah. So yeah, giving date rape, she's like untouched, Like
she thinks she can do no wrong. She's like above
it all, she's above judgment, she's above like guilt, and
she's perfect, and so she can get away with murder,
she sure as hell can get away with fucking date raping.
Guyas Baltar.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Yeah, her her confidence has really shot up.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
I think her arrogance, yes, is definitely showing in this,
Like her understanding of what it is to be a
cylon means that she's going to exploit and that can
be harmful. And I don't I don't. I don't especially
like her journey as a cylon and what it's making
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her into because before this, she was like a person
who followed the rules and did her job and cared
about her job deeply and worked really hard to have
a certain perception of her when I think part of
her is still there because she's still wearing like a
veil to go into the Baltar compound, trying to like
(15:24):
hide herself. But it's just interesting that this is who
she's becoming.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Yeah, And it's also interesting they kept cutting to her
during the quorum scenes whenever they were talking about Baltar
and the cult. They're like, it's almost like she had
like a fear of people knowing that she was involved
in it.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yeah, But then at the end she was like in
plain sight watching and being part of his speech. So
what is it.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
I'm interested to see, like the rest of her arc
if it's coming, and I hope it doesn't end poorly
for her, but because she's a woman of color, I
fear it won't. And then good for her, just because
it rarely does for us when it comes to things
like the taste of power, this idea of perfection, this entitlement,
(16:11):
whether you're entitled to it or not, because you are
feeling entitled to it is what the problem is. How
dare you be entitled to this? But yeah, I don't know,
we'll see. And then, yeah, so they're all kind of
dealing with their cylon ness in very different ways. Chief
is drinking it away, Colonel Tye is questioning another cylon,
(16:36):
trying to get answers out of her and then get
the ship beat out of him and then get kissed.
And Toy's kind of I don't know, she's like reveling it.
She's like embodying this like other person in a way,
like she's becoming something different. Eh, we'll see. And Anders
is off trying to get his wife to notice him. Yeah,
(16:57):
I thought he was going to kiss her on the
head or throw a blank get on her or something,
put her pillow under her. I don't know, you're just
gonna go in there and watch her sleep.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
That feels like a shot they pulled in from another
episode just to like.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Bring them into the fold. Yeah. I still can't believe
Laura Roslin is trying to take away constitutional rights because
of Balta. The right to assembly is one of our
constitutional rights in the United States of America. Regardless of
what they tell you. You have the right to gather, regardless
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of whether you're gathering to protest or to do something else.
You have that right as a free person in this country.
And it's fucked up that this president is like afraid
of one man, and because of that one man, she
will limit the rights of an entire fleet thirty three
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thousand or whatever it is. That's crazy. But on the
other hand, I think they were trying to show that
maybe she was right when they showed Leadahma coming in
to save him and then they showed him in a room.
But all they like, they're like, she doesn't want to
make him a martyr, but then she makes him a
martyr anyway with her stupid laws. Yeah, so what do
you do with Laura? Like, I don't get it. Is
(18:17):
it the cancer brain?
Speaker 3 (18:19):
She's trying to make a law against one person, one group,
and everyone is calling her out on like this can
be applied to so many groups. Yeah, it's yeah, you
can't make a special case like that, you know. The
there's a lot of groups that like we wish weren't assembling,
but you can't.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
They're fucking right, you can't.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Yeah, the ACLU has gone the bat for like the
Westboro Baptist Church that's been there, right to protest. Nobody
wants them to, but it's their right. They have freedom
of speech and freedom of assembly. Yeah, and those laws
are there to protect the type of speech that you
might not want to hear.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Right, even if it's something you don't want to hear,
it's not so you can't stop the world from turning.
And it's gonna turn regardless of whether or not you
agree with it or not. I think people have to
remember that sometimes, like even though we don't agree with it,
or it might be that that assembly might be a
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direct result of something terrible happening, it was their right
to do it. If they choose to do some like
bad things with their time, then that's a different type
of thing that we need to look at. But these
motherfuckers on in this show anyway, they're getting together talking
about the One True God and praying about it. It's
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the people who are religious zelots on the other side
who came into their little compound and started beating people up,
mostly women, and defacing property and harming people, like with
intent to potentially kill. I don't know if they would
have found Baltar, what would they have done to him?
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And so like that's where I would draw the line,
like maybe you shouldn't be meeting to plan a fucking coup.
If you're meeting to plan a fucking coup or some
sort of fucking violent act, then maybe I'm worried about
why you're meeting. I get that. But if you're just
meeting to kumbaya, my lord Kumbaya, then I don't give
a fuck. You do that over there and you leave
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me the fuck alone. But then as a retaliation, Baltar
went into the temple and he like started throwing around
their idols and got thrown in the brig So it's
just like when when is it gonna end? Where does
it end? Because now that he's done that, does he
think he's safe just because they have the right to
assemble again? Like these sons of anarchy or sons of
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Adonis or whatever whatever. They're probably gonna come back.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Yeah. I think his retaliation was in part because he
felt like no one was gonna do anything about it, right.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
No, Yeah, you sometimes you have to push the system
in order to get justice. But he still didn't get justice.
They're like, we're looking into it seriously, we really are.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Nothing was resolved, but it did get him a visit
from President Roslin, who's.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Like, I'm gonna show off money, wig.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Do you see it with him?
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Do you see these inches? Do you see these inches?
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Like I got bangs.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
She can flip, she can move, she's natural. She's dying too,
and she wanted to let him know I'm fucking dying.
And I don't know why she wanted him to know that,
but he knows now, and I don't think he cares.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
She's also just like she wants to send him a
message that she's not gonna put up with his bullshit,
and then she releases him, which is kind of surprising.
But she's basically like, I'm dying, so I don't really
give a fuck if I have to ben the laws
take away right.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
From the people who deserve them. Just U pun a shoe.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Astral Queen, who was the standout character in the episode?
Speaker 3 (22:04):
I askedtro Queen, I was thinking about guys. Baltar could
be Colonel Ti just for taking care of that baby,
changing that diaper. I don't know who else does stuff.
I mean Leo Dama.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
I was thinking of giving it to Kurt Chief Tyrol, Chief, great, Chief.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Yeah, Chief, Well now it's a specialist Tyrol.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Yeah. Well, because he said what we've all wanted to
know about Cali, the truth.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Boiled cabbage scent of her. What else did he say?
He like, talked about her voice and.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Everything was annoying about her. Honestly, I was living. Yeah,
I think I'm going to give it to Chief. He
owned up to his fuck up, and he he demoted himself.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
I'm between Baltar and Leema for standing up for constitutional rights. Yeah,
although it wasn't just him, it was the whole hulk hoorum.
I'm trying to think, like, what does Baltar actually do?
I mean, he goes and attacks that other religious gathering
and then he gets his ass kicked in the hallway
trying to go home, but he keeps standing up to
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take those punches.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Yeah, the way that they showed him getting up right
and it looked like he was being lifted up. That
was really good camera work.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
He looked almost like possessed. Yeah, like he was a marionette. Yeah, Leadama, Leod,
you dang this episode about Baltar Baltar didn't get any love. No,
all right, that does it for our coverage of Escape Velocity,
we are going to go into the spoiler section now.
So if you don't want to be spoiled about anything
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in the future of this show, this is your time.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
To get the fuck out.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Get the fuck out with the proper Escape Velocity. The
next episode is called The Road Less Traveled and we
will see you for that.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Let's put our living stereo stylist in.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
This group race for impact spoilers ahead. If you haven't
seen the whole series, now is the time to say goodbye.
Remember you can contact us at spacingolcod at gmail dot com,
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be a part of the discussion. Spoilers in five four
three two one.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
I'm waiting for the day that they dropped that Ellen
Tie is a cylon and I thought they were going
to do it this episode with her switching on and
off between Number six and Ellen. I think this is
a major clue.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
I believe Colonel Tye does. He comes to the realization
that Ellen is the fifth before it's revealed to anyone else,
and it is through this weird relationship he has with
Number six, very uncomfortable relationship if you ask me.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Yeah, I'm very uncomfortable.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
What else? What else? What are we? What are we
thinking about?
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Uh, that baby ain't his, So it's not a half
cylon baby. And if it was, it'd be in the
fucking opera house. There'd be two motherfuckers running around in
that opera house. And his baby's so annoying.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
But it does show that Tyrol is thinking about that
aspect of his child.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Yeah, what is it going to come out that he's
not the daddy?
Speaker 3 (25:31):
I feel like, I want to say, gets that information
from Doc Coddle, But it might be after the four
of them are outed publicly.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Before after after Oh they're out it? Who outs them?
Tell me everything? Come on, this is the spoiler section
of the show. How did they find out? How do
they get out it? Do you know how they get
out it? At least do the Silons tell on them?
Speaker 3 (25:52):
I think so, I think so number three gets unboxed.
She tells everyone I think comes out through her. Okay,
I believe there's like she like gives them an option.
They're like, you can come join the Cylons and Tory goes.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Of course, Tori's like, I'm done fuck these white people.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Yeah. So that that's that?
Speaker 2 (26:16):
All right there?
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Anything else, Ellen will be back.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
I'm not in that number six.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Wig might do more of that. I don't remember.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Oh god, I I prefer her dirty blonde than to
blonde blonde like that? All right?
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Well, spoilers are in short supply these days. There's less
and less episodes ahead of us. I think next episode
we're back on the Demetrious with starbucking them where a
lot of it like picking up that story and that'll
be it. That'll be the road Less traveled. Thanks for
joining us, and remember we don't love ourselves. How can
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we love it?
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Can I get an amen? That's what RuPaul says.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
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Season four, Episode five, The Road Less traveled. We hope
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Welcome to Spacing Out with BB and Jason this week
covering Battlestar Galacticus season four, episode four, Escape Velocity.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Welcome back.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
I'm BB and I'm Jason, and this is Spacing Out
where today we will be discussing Battlestar Galactica. If you
are new to the show, first of all, welcome, and
we will have a spoiler section at the end of
the podcast where we are free to discuss future events,
but otherwise we won't be spoiling anything past this episode,
which is Battlestar Galactica Season four, episode four, Escape Velocity.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Whatever that means yep.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
This aired on April twenty fifth, two thousand and eight.
Written by Jane Espenson, directed by Edward James. Almost may
have heard of him. The survivor count was thirty nine thousand,
six hundred and seventy five, which is a loss of
one person aka Cali.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Bat Cabbage can hold.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Show some respect. In this episode, the Cylons in the
fleet continue to struggle with their identities. Chief Terrell mourns
the death of his wife. Baltar Sect is attacked by
a group called These Sons of Aries. Laura Roslin undergoing
cancer treatments attempts to install Baltar's rising influence with an
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emergency decree, the Ladama and the Quorum overturn it.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Five check. Did we like the episode overall? How does
it stand the test of time?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
I liked it.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
We dug it.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Yeah, I missed Starbuck, but it was pretty good.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Still, we're at the very end, they're like, oh, yeah,
Starbucks here too.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Yeah, she's taken a nap on these maps.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
She's asleep this whole episode a map map. What did
you like about it?
Speaker 2 (01:53):
I really enjoy the silence, just kind of freaking the
fuck out and their interactions with p and then an
episode with Baltar, and it's always fun. So I really
enjoyed those episodes where they highlight Baltar and his UFI shenanigans. Yeah,
and he was like literally being lifted by his inner
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monologue to like confront these like soldier dudes and they're like, dude,
we don't want to hit you, but we're going to
have to hit you again. And then he gave a
bloody speech at the end and sounded a lot like RuPaul.
So it was a good episode for me.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Yeah, I like that. The Three Cylons on Galactica are
they're all like processing their grief and their emotions differently. Yeah,
it's a good episode. I've been kind of realizing, like
this season is very serialized, more than like the rest
of the show has been. It's always been kind of serialized.
We have the whole the main storyline that goes across
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large arts, you know. But it's also it's been been
more episodic in the past, where like each episode is
about its own concept, and I feel like right now
we're watching like they decided the story for the final
season and they broke it up in the episodes, you know.
So it's a little different when when we stop and
just look at one episode, because like like we're just
looking at one little sliver of the story that they're telling.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Yeah, but I think I can appreciate, Like, to me,
it's like a big painting where right now we're looking
at the brushstrokes and then at the end we'll see
the full picture and I can appreciate both. And that's
where I'm at with it.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Yeah, I mean I still like it. I think it's
still a good storytelling. Yeah, it's just it's a bit
of a change. And yeah, it's also like the drama
doesn't come from like the external threats anymore, Like it's
all been internal character conflict stuff. Yeah, just also really interesting.
So yeah, it holds up for me.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Trivia time. What facts could we uncover for escape velocity?
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Got a little bit of trivia? So the title escape
velocity is the minimum speed and object with alpropulsion needs
to needs to have to move away and definitely from
the source of a gravity field. So how fast something
needs to be moving to escape a gravity gravitational poll? Okay,
I don't know how that relates to the episode.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Maybe like the followers of many gods to one god
and how they have to pull away from like the
gravitational force of the norm the status quo. Maybe that's stretch,
but I'm willing to take it.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
In the original draft for the beginning of season four,
tom Zeric was behind the Sons of Ares and encourage
its attack on Baltar's cult. That tom Zeric was not
in the episode. That's the first time we learned Calli's
full name is Calandra Anderson Tyrrol.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
I don't bet she smells like cabbage.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Yes, we learned what she f really thought. During the
quorum discussion, one of the members compares Baltar's cult to
the followers of Mithras, which was a cult popular in
the Roman Empire.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Ooh for us, I don't know. It sounds like that
fake fucking armor from the Lord of the Rings Metro. Yeah,
me through us, the god of Light, whose cult spread
from India to the east, as far as west of Spain,
Great Britain and Germany. It's a Roman cult of Methras.
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It's an Iranian god. Okay, come through Iranian god, guardian
of cattle, the harvest, and the waters. Okay, I can
get down. I'm in Tamethra. I would be in the cult.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
But that is all the trivia I had for this episode.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Okay, deep space dive, let's break down some of our
thoughts on the episode. You can share your thoughts with
us through email, Facebook, or Twitter. We may use your
comments on an upcoming episode.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
So we start with Kelly's funeral.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Yes, and Adama is like boring.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
But Roslin's like, remember I like this because I'm dying. Yes,
and like Chief is playing the part of like morning
spouse really well in this until the Cylons come up
to him to sell. They don't say anything. Everyone's like
sorry for your loss, so sorry for your loss. She
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was a good woman. And then fucking what's her name?
Tori comes up and she's just like.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
And uh, And I feel like she's trying to play
her role of like someone who doesn't really know Chief.
She's just here because she's the presidency.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
You still say sorry for your loss, not me. And
then fucking what's his name, old man Colonel Tie is
right behind her and he's like, hello, sorry for your
loss or something. He's like, er, he's.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Grumpy, and then the Chief's eyes get twice as.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Big and he like gets I had never seen his
eyes pop up out of his face so hard, and
he's like, you're gonna ruin. You're gonna out us to
the whole fleet right now. And they leave and it's
the most awkward interaction at the funeral, and I feel
like everybody saw it.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Yeah, Leodama's trying to shake his hand.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
And he's like, I'm waiting in the line here, like
everybody wants a piece of Chief because he's like one
of the most popular guys. Apparently everybody showed up for
his wife's funeral. I don't know if Calli was that popular,
but I'm pretty sure they're shown up for she you know.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
See, I feel like anytime someone in the service dies,
there's they show the service for it.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
And yeah, well, anyway, so Kelly has her funeral and
she's dead.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
And then so Colonel Tye and Tory go meet Chief
in his quarters to be like, what the fuck was that?
Speaker 2 (07:53):
And the baby's just crying.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Yeah, and I love the fact that Colonel Tye goes
and changes that diaper X screen well Tory and te
for talking. He's back there just like swaddowing this baby.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Getting that baby shut the fuck up. That baby's always
fucking crying. I swear to god, Oh my god, I'm
tired of that baby crying. And and like later he
goes and drinks at the bar and he's just drinking
his troubles away, minding his own fucking business. And the
person who's like in charge of driving the ship and
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making sure everything is cool and dandy and like up
to order just happens to be at the bar and
we have a dama come up to him and be like,
sorry about your loss, and he's like, you don't know
about my loss, dude, you don't know anything about my life, man.
And he's like you're you're just mourning and he's like, no,
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I'm not mourning. I'm glad she's fucking dead. She smelled bad,
she was lazy eyed and a bitch or something. They
were always fighting and he's talking about he brings up Sharon,
who happens to be a silot, and now he founds
out that he's a silon and he's like did we
always know what was going on? And I think he's
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dealing with a lot. And he pushes Admiral Odama to
the point where Admiral's like, all right, you're danger to
our ship. You're no longer chief. I don't know what
he is.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
He's a specialist now.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Yeah, so he's getting reassigned and I think he really
shit the bed because now he can't like meet up
and have a secret silo meeting if he gets reassigned
to a different ship. So, but that was really fun
to see just him losing his shit.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
So that was also after Racetracks ship.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Oh yeah, because he was. But I think he wasn't
his fault because they were hurrying him up. They were like,
hurry up, dude, I got to be out there doing
my drills or like, dude, it's a drill, okay, Like
it's not. There's no real danger right now. If you
make me hurry up, then you'll be in real and
guess what happened. You rushed me and now you're in
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real danger.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Yeah, but they're under that pressure all the time.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
But yeah, he destroyed that little bus. It's like the
short bus ship. I don't know what that was about.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
It's a.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
No, but that's what they called it. When they were
in the air. She the one of the guys was like,
you better get your bus going. It's a bus and
she's like, well, what if this is a bus, then
you're riding a bicycle and he's like, no, I'm driving
a race car. It was like a dick measuring contest.
I don't know, I'd rather be riding a bus.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Racetrack. Has had like so many close calls in the
series because she back when the fuel was being sabotaged,
like her ship crashed into the Presidentship Colonial one. Oh yeah.
And then they also when that guy was trying to
blow up Baltar's lawyers, there was a bomb on her
raptor that they barely caught because of that cat. So yeah,
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she's always just.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Like almost gonna die.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Yeah, like every time she gets on board, like you
just prepare for danger. Yeah. So I don't know, Chief
is he's not holding it together too well. And I
think I think he partially felt that, like he was
a danger to the crew in his condition and wanted
to be demoted.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
So you think that intentionally, well.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
I think he's also trying to process a lot between
his wife's death and his newfound Cylon identity and.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
His half breed baby.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Yeah. I like that that gets mentioned, even though it
was it was all in Chief's head. But yeah, if
he's a Cylon, then he has a half Silon kid.
So most of the rest of the episode is balt
Our stuff, right, uh huh. Well, and Colonel Tye and
Number six.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
As well, Oh yeah, they have their moments.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
That's the whole other side of Colonel Tye trying to
process who he is and also still grieving the death
of his wife.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
I thought it was weird when he kept switching her
back and forth in his head trying to get answers
about himself like stealthy and then like I don't understand
and why Number six kicked his ass and then started
making out with him. I feel like it's one or
the other.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Well, she changed her mind. I don't get why. Yeah,
it's weird. Their whole thing is weird, and I'm not
into it.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
I'm not into it either, But.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Are you into cults against cults? Cult wars?
Speaker 2 (12:21):
I don't know. I feel like Guyas isn't really doing
a lot to become this like religious leader. He's literally
like pulling quotes out of a can. Like it's it's like,
if you don't know how to love yourself, then how
are you going to love somebody else. And you know,
we're all perfect and God loves us and he made
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us perfect. And I'm just like, and I don't understand
why people are crying and clapping about it. Maybe because
he's covered in blood. Like when the attack from the
Sons of Anarchy or whatever they're called whatever, they were motorcycles.
I bet if they could have motorcycles, they would have them. Okay,
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they were giving those vibes, they were giving the you
will not replace us vibes whenever they came in Baltar
immediately jumped and hid, yes, immediately, And Tori saw that,
and she's like, hmmm, I don't know how she felt
about that she was also teasing him. She came into
pulling his hair out, and I'm like, he's going to
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get a bolt spot. She's like, what if we mix
pain and pleasure? And he's like, I liked it better
when you were crying, And I'm like, this interaction is weird.
What he's saying and what she's saying. It's like inappropriate
and they shouldn't be Like this doesn't feel consensual anymore.
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Like the fact that he's like, I liked it better
when you were crying is kind of insulting. And the
fact that she's like hurting him is also like pushing
the line because it obviously shows that he's not into it.
He's saying now, he's saying no. Even if he's not
outright saying no, you can tell that it's a no
for him.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Well, and she's using her like superior cylon strength to
hold him down.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Yeah. So yeah, giving date rape, she's like untouched, Like
she thinks she can do no wrong. She's like above
it all, she's above judgment, she's above like guilt, and
she's perfect, and so she can get away with murder,
she sure as hell can get away with fucking date raping.
Guyas Baltar.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Yeah, her her confidence has really shot up.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
I think her arrogance, yes, is definitely showing in this,
Like her understanding of what it is to be a
cylon means that she's going to exploit and that can
be harmful. And I don't I don't. I don't especially
like her journey as a cylon and what it's making
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her into because before this, she was like a person
who followed the rules and did her job and cared
about her job deeply and worked really hard to have
a certain perception of her when I think part of
her is still there because she's still wearing like a
veil to go into the Baltar compound, trying to like
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hide herself. But it's just interesting that this is who
she's becoming.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Yeah, And it's also interesting they kept cutting to her
during the quorum scenes whenever they were talking about Baltar
and the cult. They're like, it's almost like she had
like a fear of people knowing that she was involved
in it.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yeah, But then at the end she was like in
plain sight watching and being part of his speech. So
what is it.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
I'm interested to see, like the rest of her arc
if it's coming, and I hope it doesn't end poorly
for her, but because she's a woman of color, I
fear it won't. And then good for her, just because
it rarely does for us when it comes to things
like the taste of power, this idea of perfection, this entitlement,
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whether you're entitled to it or not, because you are
feeling entitled to it is what the problem is. How
dare you be entitled to this? But yeah, I don't know,
we'll see. And then, yeah, so they're all kind of
dealing with their cylon ness in very different ways. Chief
is drinking it away, Colonel Tye is questioning another cylon,
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trying to get answers out of her and then get
the ship beat out of him and then get kissed.
And Toy's kind of I don't know, she's like reveling it.
She's like embodying this like other person in a way,
like she's becoming something different. Eh, we'll see. And Anders
is off trying to get his wife to notice him. Yeah,
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I thought he was going to kiss her on the
head or throw a blank get on her or something,
put her pillow under her. I don't know, you're just
gonna go in there and watch her sleep.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
That feels like a shot they pulled in from another
episode just to like.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Bring them into the fold. Yeah. I still can't believe
Laura Roslin is trying to take away constitutional rights because
of Balta. The right to assembly is one of our
constitutional rights in the United States of America. Regardless of
what they tell you. You have the right to gather, regardless
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of whether you're gathering to protest or to do something else.
You have that right as a free person in this country.
And it's fucked up that this president is like afraid
of one man, and because of that one man, she
will limit the rights of an entire fleet thirty three
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thousand or whatever it is. That's crazy. But on the
other hand, I think they were trying to show that
maybe she was right when they showed Leadahma coming in
to save him and then they showed him in a room.
But all they like, they're like, she doesn't want to
make him a martyr, but then she makes him a
martyr anyway with her stupid laws. Yeah, so what do
you do with Laura? Like, I don't get it. Is
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it the cancer brain?
Speaker 3 (18:19):
She's trying to make a law against one person, one group,
and everyone is calling her out on like this can
be applied to so many groups. Yeah, it's yeah, you
can't make a special case like that, you know. The
there's a lot of groups that like we wish weren't assembling,
but you can't.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
They're fucking right, you can't.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Yeah, the ACLU has gone the bat for like the
Westboro Baptist Church that's been there, right to protest. Nobody
wants them to, but it's their right. They have freedom
of speech and freedom of assembly. Yeah, and those laws
are there to protect the type of speech that you
might not want to hear.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Right, even if it's something you don't want to hear,
it's not so you can't stop the world from turning.
And it's gonna turn regardless of whether or not you
agree with it or not. I think people have to
remember that sometimes, like even though we don't agree with it,
or it might be that that assembly might be a
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direct result of something terrible happening, it was their right
to do it. If they choose to do some like
bad things with their time, then that's a different type
of thing that we need to look at. But these
motherfuckers on in this show anyway, they're getting together talking
about the One True God and praying about it. It's
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the people who are religious zelots on the other side
who came into their little compound and started beating people up,
mostly women, and defacing property and harming people, like with
intent to potentially kill. I don't know if they would
have found Baltar, what would they have done to him?
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And so like that's where I would draw the line,
like maybe you shouldn't be meeting to plan a fucking coup.
If you're meeting to plan a fucking coup or some
sort of fucking violent act, then maybe I'm worried about
why you're meeting. I get that. But if you're just
meeting to kumbaya, my lord Kumbaya, then I don't give
a fuck. You do that over there and you leave
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me the fuck alone. But then as a retaliation, Baltar
went into the temple and he like started throwing around
their idols and got thrown in the brig So it's
just like when when is it gonna end? Where does
it end? Because now that he's done that, does he
think he's safe just because they have the right to
assemble again? Like these sons of anarchy or sons of
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Adonis or whatever whatever. They're probably gonna come back.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Yeah. I think his retaliation was in part because he
felt like no one was gonna do anything about it, right.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
No, Yeah, you sometimes you have to push the system
in order to get justice. But he still didn't get justice.
They're like, we're looking into it seriously, we really are.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Nothing was resolved, but it did get him a visit
from President Roslin, who's.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Like, I'm gonna show off money, wig.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Do you see it with him?
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Do you see these inches? Do you see these inches?
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Like I got bangs.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
She can flip, she can move, she's natural. She's dying too,
and she wanted to let him know I'm fucking dying.
And I don't know why she wanted him to know that,
but he knows now, and I don't think he cares.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
She's also just like she wants to send him a
message that she's not gonna put up with his bullshit,
and then she releases him, which is kind of surprising.
But she's basically like, I'm dying, so I don't really
give a fuck if I have to ben the laws
take away right.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
From the people who deserve them. Just U pun a shoe.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Astral Queen, who was the standout character in the episode?
Speaker 3 (22:04):
I askedtro Queen, I was thinking about guys. Baltar could
be Colonel Ti just for taking care of that baby,
changing that diaper. I don't know who else does stuff.
I mean Leo Dama.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
I was thinking of giving it to Kurt Chief Tyrol, Chief, great, Chief.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Yeah, Chief, Well now it's a specialist Tyrol.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Yeah. Well, because he said what we've all wanted to
know about Cali, the truth.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Boiled cabbage scent of her. What else did he say?
He like, talked about her voice and.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Everything was annoying about her. Honestly, I was living. Yeah,
I think I'm going to give it to Chief. He
owned up to his fuck up, and he he demoted himself.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
I'm between Baltar and Leema for standing up for constitutional rights. Yeah,
although it wasn't just him, it was the whole hulk hoorum.
I'm trying to think, like, what does Baltar actually do?
I mean, he goes and attacks that other religious gathering
and then he gets his ass kicked in the hallway
trying to go home, but he keeps standing up to
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take those punches.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Yeah, the way that they showed him getting up right
and it looked like he was being lifted up. That
was really good camera work.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
He looked almost like possessed. Yeah, like he was a marionette. Yeah, Leadama, Leod,
you dang this episode about Baltar Baltar didn't get any love. No,
all right, that does it for our coverage of Escape Velocity,
we are going to go into the spoiler section now.
So if you don't want to be spoiled about anything
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in the future of this show, this is your time.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
To get the fuck out.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Get the fuck out with the proper Escape Velocity. The
next episode is called The Road Less Traveled and we
will see you for that.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Let's put our living stereo stylist in.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
This group race for impact spoilers ahead. If you haven't
seen the whole series, now is the time to say goodbye.
Remember you can contact us at spacingolcod at gmail dot com,
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be a part of the discussion. Spoilers in five four
three two one.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
I'm waiting for the day that they dropped that Ellen
Tie is a cylon and I thought they were going
to do it this episode with her switching on and
off between Number six and Ellen. I think this is
a major clue.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
I believe Colonel Tye does. He comes to the realization
that Ellen is the fifth before it's revealed to anyone else,
and it is through this weird relationship he has with
Number six, very uncomfortable relationship if you ask me.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Yeah, I'm very uncomfortable.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
What else? What else? What are we? What are we
thinking about?
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Uh, that baby ain't his, So it's not a half
cylon baby. And if it was, it'd be in the
fucking opera house. There'd be two motherfuckers running around in
that opera house. And his baby's so annoying.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
But it does show that Tyrol is thinking about that
aspect of his child.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Yeah, what is it going to come out that he's
not the daddy?
Speaker 3 (25:31):
I feel like, I want to say, gets that information
from Doc Coddle, But it might be after the four
of them are outed publicly.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Before after after Oh they're out it? Who outs them?
Tell me everything? Come on, this is the spoiler section
of the show. How did they find out? How do
they get out it? Do you know how they get
out it? At least do the Silons tell on them?
Speaker 3 (25:52):
I think so, I think so number three gets unboxed.
She tells everyone I think comes out through her. Okay,
I believe there's like she like gives them an option.
They're like, you can come join the Cylons and Tory goes.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Of course, Tori's like, I'm done fuck these white people.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Yeah. So that that's that?
Speaker 2 (26:16):
All right there?
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Anything else, Ellen will be back.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
I'm not in that number six.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Wig might do more of that. I don't remember.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Oh god, I I prefer her dirty blonde than to
blonde blonde like that? All right?
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Well, spoilers are in short supply these days. There's less
and less episodes ahead of us. I think next episode
we're back on the Demetrious with starbucking them where a
lot of it like picking up that story and that'll
be it. That'll be the road Less traveled. Thanks for
joining us, and remember we don't love ourselves. How can
(26:52):
we love it?
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Can I get an amen? That's what RuPaul says.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
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