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Welcome to Spacing Out With BB and Jason! We’re covering the 2004 reboot of Battlestar Galactica, and this week we’re discussing season 4 episode 6, “Faith”. Thanks for joining us!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Spacing Out with BB and Jason this week
covering Battlestar Galacticas season four episode six, Faith.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Ye, welcome back.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
I'm BB and I'm Jason, and this is spacing Out
where today we will be discussing Battlestar Galactica. If you
are new to the show, first, welcome, Second, you should
know we're going to have a spoiler section at the
end of the podcast where we are free to discuss
any future events in the show, but otherwise we won't
be spoiling anything past this episode, which is Battlestar Galactica
(00:37):
season four, episode six faith By. This aired on May ninth,
two thousand and eight. Written by Seamus Kevin Feye, directed
by Michael Nankin. The survivor count is thirty nine thousand,
six hundred and seventy five, which was a loss of
one from the last episode who died.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
I don't know the lady who was in this episode
that died, but they don't count her before she's dead.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
No, so maybe something because I show that number in
the credits. In this episode, a mutiny attempt aboard the
Demetrius and with Gata being shot in the leg Byanders
Starbuck investigates the open story about Silon civil War and
returns with a Cylon basship. The ship's hybrid cryptically tells
her that the final five Cylons know the way to
Earth's and that's the number three is need to be
(01:24):
unboxed in order to identify them. And on Galactica, President
Roslin undergoes cancer treatments and has long conversations with another
patient who's a convert to Guys Baltar's monotheistic preachings.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Vibe check. Did we like the episode overall? How does
it stand the test of time?
Speaker 2 (01:45):
All?
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Right?
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Did you like that episode?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
I do like this episode quite a bit. I think
it's a really good one. I mean, last episode we
were talking about how like not a whole lot of
interesting stuff happened, and I feel like this episode picked
up where it left off and gave us a lot more.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Yeah, it gave us a bunch we're moving and shaking.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Yeah, it was a lot of action right off the bat,
and we got to see some of these storylines kind
of come together with the Cylons.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Finally counting each other. They're like, oh, yeah, there is
five of us that we don't know about.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Well, this is finally like meeting up with the humans.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Oh yeah, that too.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Andander's getting more and more scared of being found out,
but also.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Really curious about the Cylon experience, Like he wanted to
touch the good. He was ready.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
He's like, I wonder what it is to be Yeah,
so it motherfuckers.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
He's like so trigger happy. He shocked two people today.
Well the second one wasn't really his choice, but he
was holding the gun. So lots of death in this one.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Yeah. And then our scenes with Laura Roslin were engaging.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
I think they were a little long winded a little bit, yeah,
but but I was okay.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
It was nice to take a moment with her, and
it kind of balanced the episode in a way.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Yeah. Yeah, we needed to see what we needed to
see what was going on on Galactica. It's been a
while since we were in this episode. It's very heavy
on the pylon human interactions and that what's going on
with Demetris or whatever the ship is called the mission.
So I was glad to like jump back to Galactica
(03:25):
and get a little human interest story on Roslin. Her
grandma looks like Betty White or her mom, I mean,
and all I can think of when she was looking
at her mom across the river. Was you changed her diaper?
You brought that up? So now that's what I'm thinking about.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Would have been a great spot for some cameos. Yes,
her family is that Mike Myers?
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Who do you think they could get to cameo? I
mean there was a notable camo in this episode.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Already, right with the Emily.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Yeah, and some people I didn't notice at first. You
had to point it out and then it was really
blatantly obvious. Is that part of trivia?
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Okay, well do you want to do that?
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Yep?
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Okay, But we like the episode, like that's consensus.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Trivia time. What facts could we uncover?
Speaker 2 (04:24):
For Faith Baltar his voices throughout this whole episode. A
lot of his wireless broadcasts contains a number of phrases
from the to be or not to be soliloquy of Hamlet.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Oh. I don't know why, but Shakespeare. Maybe he's like
the Shakespeare of this generation, because you know, they already
have a Jimi Hendrix, so they should have a Shakespeare.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Or the writers are just a bunch of nerds. The hybrid,
the speech it repeats a lot borrows some texts from
the Biblical Book of Jeremy.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
It's Jeremiah. I never heard of the Biblical Book of Jeremiah.
Is that in the Bible?
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Okay, Jeremiah's And I knew that name sounded biblical when
I've heard it on people's peoples, But I didn't realize
there was a whole book of Jeremiah. I thought he
was just named in passing. Okay, who was he? Do
you know anything about Jeremiah or the Book of Jeremiah.
I'm not a church person, so I don't know anything
(05:28):
about the books of the Bible. Well, I know Genesis
and Revelations. Is Revelations the one with the four horsemen
of the Apocalypse. Yeah, yeah, that's all I know. I
know the beginning and the end.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
I think Jeremiah is a very kind of sad book.
It's like it's a lament oh, if i'm remember incorrectly,
kind of a poetic book.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
So Greek mythology very present in the episode.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Yeah, they talk about Athena or no Aphrodite.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Emily's description of the words of Cobal and their behaviors
consistent with Greek mythology. When speaking of her mother's death,
Laura Roslin mentions a field of elysium, a portion of
the Greek on the world where heroic or virtuous souls
into after death. Baltar is preaching of the symbolism of
a boat crossing a river to the land of the dead,
is very similar to the Greek legends involving the river sticks.
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It can be expected that Baltar borrows some of his
teachings from an established religion that people are very familiar with.
This parallels the rise of Christianity, which express some of
its ideas through existing cultural forms of the Roman polytheistic religions.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Right, Like, oh, you guys celebrate this harvest festival around
this time of year. That's crazy because that's when our
Lord and Savior was born or something.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
They always like meet things up and they're like, how
interesting that we're having a like a celebration on a solstice. Interesting.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Yeah, you can't bring something too radically different because then
people just reject it.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Right, right, you're already celebrate renewal. But if we just
throw in a berth or something in there. Everybody loves
a story about a baby being born as long as
they get to party.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Not a visitor place Emily. You may know her as
Kira on Star Trek Deep Space nine, where she worked
with Ronald Y Moore, and she was originally considered for
a Starbucks mother last season, but she was unavailable.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Oh I'm glad they didn't use her as a Starbucks
mother because Starbucks mother was off putting. Yeah, not that
this character wasn't with her scary teeth, but it was
just I liked her in this role.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
I'm glad we got that dream sequence where you didn't
have to look like she did in that bed.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Oh my god. Yeah, that wasn't the last image she
wanted to remember her by.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
I got an okay boomer fact.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Okay boomer. Let's look at any connection to the original
Battlestar Galactica series.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
So Starbuck has that painting that she believes a comment
going through space and later realized it's a drifting base
ship that's damage. But that image bears a visual resemblance
to the Ship of Lights from the original series, and
the Ship of Lights was a spacecraft used by the
Beings of Light, and the ship could transport people to
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another dimension. The Beings of Light were the ones that
helped primitive humans on Cobal develop their civilization. Oh and
they were thought of as angels by the humans. They
appear in two episodes of the original series are implied
to be in the sequel series Glactica.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Nineteen eighty implied to be.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yeah, there's a character that they never outright say that
it's a being of light, but it's kind of implied.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Understood, like, Okay, we know who he is. He's a
celebrity and.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
That brings us out of trivia.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Deep space dive. Let's break down some of our thoughts
on the episode. You can share your thoughts with us
through email, Facebook, or Twitter. We may use your comments
on an upcoming episode.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Well, this episode starts with guns blazing.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Hell yeah, they're like, you need to calm down. No,
you calmed down. I'm gonna get my gun out because
that makes things calm. Like whoa, I can't believe that.
Starbuck almost took them on, like she started fighting against it,
but then they like disarmed her and the first thing
(09:33):
they pointed at was her vagina. They didn't point the
gun at her face. They lowered the gun but still
pointed it at her. But it was like, I'm like, what,
I don't know if you noticed it was really subtle.
They were pointing it like down on her abdomen or
bought lower body, which okay, I guess that's where you
would rather point. But anders then eventually like was pointing
(09:56):
down and shot somebody, which I guess is good because
at least he didn't shoot him in the head, you know,
like a headshot. It look it's more believable that something
like that would happen in that kind of like escalated tension,
So I can't believe it was fucking Felix though, fucking data,
poor data, Data Kada, sorry Kata. I hate saying his
(10:19):
name sometimes because it feels homophobic, but his name is Felix, right, okay, Yeah,
And he's like already not having a good time on
the ship. He's like sweaty. He's used to being very
prim and clean and like in the nice ship, so
now he's like in this toilet chip sweating his balls off,
(10:40):
probably not having nice access to regular bathing, and with
other sweaty people just all up in your business. So
I feel like really bad for him. He's just having
a bad time, and then nobody's taking care of his
wound dressing. It looks like it looks like he has
the same bloody rag the whole fifteen hours that they're there,
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which is not really recommended for wound care.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
I mean, I hope they're changing it.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
You need to clean it like initially at least every
two hours if it's draining or anything like that. You
really got to clean that wound. I'm glad they got
the bullet out. But when you saw her digging in
his leg and I think his bone snapped, was that
bone I saw? Yeah, Okay, I was like, this is disgusting,
(11:30):
and then yeah, I really like that, But it was
like sick.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
That was brutal, very painful.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
And in the first like ten minutes of the episode,
so and they're arguing, but after Felix gets shot, they're like, Okay,
maybe it's not worth us arguing all this over. We'll compromise.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Suddenly they started thinking of other solutions.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
It took a motherfucker to get shot and almost lose
a leg. He might lose a lake. I don't know.
That looked disgusting. And then I feel like if they
were value in his life, they would have just jumped
right there.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
That's It's what I don't get. So Starbuck and then leave.
They have to sit there for fifteen hours. Why can't
they jump back to Galactica, get Gata in the duck cuddle,
and then you know, jump back to.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Meat Right, it's the same place. I don't know. Did
they run out of fuel? Like you can get refueled
at Galactica.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
This plan didn't make a lot of sense to me,
but it was I guess entertaining to have a clock running.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Yeah, yeah, definitely. That's not something that I would have
noticed on my first time watching, probably, but yeah, something
you think about it and like, well, can't they.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Just because Gata has to get medical attention, y'all obviously
don't know what you're doing, and they yeah, I don't know.
But anyway, after they decide to compromise, Starbuck leaves and
is greeted by I uh, number six with a grudge
against the girl that was really willing to follow Starbuck
(13:07):
anywhere she fucking went.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Yeah, her name was Barclay Barklay.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
And she's kind of a Cylon hater, which is like,
why would you come on this peace mission if you're
obviously not into peace with science?
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Sounds like she really believes in Starbuck finding Earth.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Well, she pays with her life, and I guess she
watched number six drown, which is weird and creepy. I
don't know if I could watch something so humanoid, just
like drown and die. The dehumanization of the Cylon race
is so real in this. And then there's even like
self silon hate when Sharon watches the other Sharon die
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and it's because they had some sort of disagreement that
was really petty, and she even said you were right.
Those were her last words. Basically, I was wrong, you
were right, and that's her and this time they're really dead,
and Andres definitely picks up on that, and it was
a little weird because they had such a quiet moment.
It made me uncomfortable. But there was a bunch of
(14:12):
stuff that happened just in between those times, like when
because they didn't want Starbuck to talk to the hybrid,
which I don't know why, because nobody understands what the
fuck the hybrid is talking about. Anyway, It's like, sure,
if you can decipher something out of what she's saying,
go for it. I don't understand their protection of a hybrid,
especially when they don't really respect the hybrid. It's weird.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
I think it varies between the cylons because, like Leo
Wynn thinks, the Hybrids are like just speaking prophecy all
the time and everything.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Has meaning, But the majority of the silence are like, eh,
you know, they're just like a part of the ship.
So I'm just like, now, all of a sudden, you're
so protective of like your catalytic converter or something.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
What. Well, they refer to the hybrid as like the
central nervous system, so it's like they're protective because it's
a big security issue.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Okay, because they didn't just get blown up by the
other cylons. What do you got to lose? I still
don't get it, Like, and the thing is they had
to take her offline regardless if they wanted to get
out of there. They were either waiting for death or
taking a chance on salvation. I just I don't Sometimes
I don't understand why the Cylons make decisions like this.
(15:27):
But Starbuck gets what she wants anyway. Throughout this episode,
she gets what she wants, and she might get answers
with what they're talking about now. Whatever the Hybrid told her,
it took a number six to fucking translate it. But
they got it because Starbuck was still like, I don't
know what she meant, like, I don't know what you
want from me. What are you talking about an opera house?
(15:49):
She has no idea, And I don't know. What I'm
interested in is to know if the number six models
all have that same dream or vision. Because the one
that's captive on Galactica does have those visions and she
shared that with Laura. So do they all have that
vision because they're all connected in a weird way. I
(16:11):
just wonder because their dreams are we're seeing right now
in this episode. This proves that multiple people can have
the same dream. So what's not to say that the
Silons can all have the same dream.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
I'm just putting things together here.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
I don't know. I don't think we've been given anything
to say that it is anyone other than Caprica six
having that dream?
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Right, And but then how come all of the hidden
Cylons are all having the same brain delusion of hearing
that song? I don't know. So they could put together
the opera house right there, but I don't know if
they will based on how juicy of a piece of
the puzzle that is, and I'm sure they're waiting for
(16:56):
one of the lead actors to reveal it soon, hopefully.
I don't remember. I don't know, but yeah, I feel
like I have visions about an opera house, and I
know all about the six and the thirteen and the
four and the five. I couldn't understand any of what
the hybrid was saying either, but she said something like that,
I don't know, do you have any theories? That's my
(17:17):
theory right now. It's like, I want to know if
all the sixes have had this opera dream, because it
seems that humans and cylons can see the same thing
or hear the same thing, so can they dream the
same thing? I don't know how, or do they have
to be one of the cylons that were at the
opera house to have that? But I don't know. I
(17:40):
don't know. I'm so confused. This episode made my little
wheels turn and I'm really excited for the next one.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
I think I think it is specifically Cabrico six and
Athena in that dream with Rosalin.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Okay, okay, so they're specific.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Models, and Athena's there so she would understand that reference.
And I don't know if they've told people about this
dream that they've shared, or that's kind of just under
wraps because you probably wouldn't want to share that if
you're the president.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Yeah yeah, yeah, And maybe Athena that hasn't talked to
Number six to like say that we've had the same dream,
so maybe she hasn't put it together that it's a
share dream. Interesting, Okay, well, I don't know anything else
we need to talk about.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
We were talking about the Number six and Barclay and
I just I like that they like we get to
have an idea of like what death is like for
the cylons.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
There's a lot of death for the cylons in this episode.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Yeah, but like it's when they're when it's traumatic, like
it stays with them.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Right right, it's not just like you remember it.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Death isn't just this revolving door like it matters.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Right, Yeah. And it's interesting that she didn't get over it.
And I wonder how many other like do is there?
Obviously there's multiple versions of different models, and they will
box a whole model. I wonder how many times they've
had to box just an individual of a model because
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they're erratic or unruly. They're obviously are really good at
killing centurions, and even hybrids are easy to replace, apparently.
I don't know, but I wonder if they have like
a way of dealing with what's perceived to be as
mental illness to some extent or you know, because she
(19:38):
has like PTSD and she probably has some sort of
depression anxiety like something that's causing her to remember this
and not let it go. And I want, like they said,
we talked about this, remember, like, so do they have
like group therapy? What's going on?
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Yeah, I mean we kind of saw a little bit
of that when we were with Kaprika six and Boomer
when they were back on Earth.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
They're back on Earth.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Oh I'm sorry, not Earth, Caprica.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Oh okay, okay, So when they were back on Caprica.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
What happened they were trying to like rehabilitate those two.
Oh yeah, they kind of paired them up together because
they thought they could help each other.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Yeah, so yeah, I think they're trying to help each
other process. They're also they're a very young society, like
a few decades. Oh yeah, so you know there, it's
probably all very new to them, having to deal with
all this.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
I wanted to point out when they when they jump
the raptor to the crash graveyard place, they seemed to
jump like right in the middle of it, right like
there was no way of knowing that they wouldn't have
jumped right into.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
A ship right like with halfway in a wall or something.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Yeah, you want to talk about President Roslin.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
And her scarf. It was so long it was like
almost hair. She was so bald. Holy shit, when she
was talking to Toy, that head was like shining.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Yeah, that was.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
I didn't know she had such a big old head.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
They did it almost like a reveal, like we're in
the scene for a little bit before we actually cut
to this her. Yeah, her bald cap, which in the
commentary they talk about how they actually had to like
reduce it in with v effects because it was so
like bulbous hair.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
I bet she looked like an alien or something. That's funny.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
And it still seemed like large to me.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
It was a big old head.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Oh that's so bad, and so smooth, like she's gotta
be shaving with a razor.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
And I feel like they should have put some veins
in it or something something to make it look realistic
a little bit like a little contour. I don't know.
It was just so pale and white. It would have
been funny if she had like a sun tan in
the shape of her bangs or you know, like sometimes.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
When she's getting any sun.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Oh, you're right, Well, you don't think they have those
satellites on ships. Maybe hopefully because I feel like seasonal depression.
There's probably like such a thing as like ship depression
or sailor depression or something like that. People who are
stuck in a kit tin can for months and months
and months, they should have like an outdoor simulator or something.
(22:39):
But I don't know. This is an old ship too.
I don't know. But yeah, at least some lights. She
could have had a little tan just on her her part,
just one little lying where her part is. So yeah,
she's delegating work to Tori. She's like, girl, I'm gonna
be way offline, so you need to be extra vigilant,
(23:03):
not knowing that Toy's a fucking cylon. And she feels
no guilt or remorse about playing both sides of the field.
But and Laura's like, I noticed that you're working extra
hard now and used to be super stressed, but now
you're not. And she just left it at that. She
didn't say what's different or you know, yeah, she didn't
(23:23):
pry or anything, which I don't know if I like
that or if I hate that, because what would have
Tori said? That's what I want to know, Like, what's
your secret fucking Baltar on the regular apparently, or like I.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Didn't get the sense, but like, was she implying that
she knows how much time she's spending with Baltar's cult.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Oh maybe she's like, hmmm, I can tell you got
a little sugar in your tank or something. I think
that means queer actually, but maybe maybe she knows. Oh,
I didn't even think about it. But I mean, as
much time as Tory goes, surely somebody would have said
(24:04):
something or sawn something by now crazy. But she goes
to Doc Cottle and Doc Coddle's like he just always
gives me that libe.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
He's just working this episode. Yeah, he's not lecturing or anything.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Now, No, No, he's actually he's like, we need to
make her comfortable. That's his line that I remember. Watching
somebody dies not easy. That's definitely part of this episode.
And more people do witness death in this episode than
in lots of other episodes, even like episodes where there's
battles and shit. I feel like we don't see death
(24:40):
this portrayed this way in the show often, which is interesting.
We got Cylon death and then Cilon like trauma because
of death, and then we got human death and human
trauma because of death, and how that was really interesting.
I like that, Like it was very coherent and very
obvious how we were moving through that and how the
humans are dealing with their death, and how Gaius is
(25:04):
helping certain humans in a way that they haven't been
helped before through death and grieving, which is interesting. He's
like giving the people a new hope. Sorry, but it
is true. He's giving people a hope that like, there's
this afterlife where I get to see my relatives and
I get to go on this nice boat ride and
(25:25):
I'm in my Sunday best And I can't believe no
one ever thought of a death like that and all
their years of existence and civilization, because surely not everybody's
polytheistic or not everybody believes in the same gods. There's
other cultures and people, there's other planets, for Christ's sakes,
So how come this colony is so shaken by this
(25:48):
idea of one true God. It's interesting, like everybody's eating
it up. She's like, ooh, let me trace that Christianity.
I don't know. And it's I think it's a lluring.
I think it feels safe, and it's like giving people
like a better explanation of their current situation.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Yeah, it's giving them some meaning, some purpose. Like the
woman was talking about, like how her family gets wiped
away in the attacks and then she lives in a
moldy room for a few years only to be killed
by her own body illness.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Yeah, her body attacking herself. Yeah. Yeah, And there's probably
so many people that feel so contained. Yeah, and the
gods haven't helped them. Where are the gods?
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Dude?
Speaker 3 (26:37):
So when the gods die, what else do you believe it?
And Baltar is giving them the sab to their wounds.
It's interesting. I don't know. I like this episode because
it's it's like giving us some cool action, a lot
of blood, a lot of gore. But then also it's
not all like for nothing. There's like this deep meaning
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behind a lot of it, and it's like people are
reflecting upon it. They're like sitting with it in a
way that we do sit with death. We can't just
shake it off. It's like this thing that's always looming
and how do you how do you cope with that?
It's interesting. I really liked it.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Yeah, and Roslin gets to explore some of her trauma
with her own mother's death. Yeah, she's kind of confronting
her fear of death right.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Because she didn't want to be that person. That's like
what I got from it. She's like superimposing her personal
feelings and ideas onto her mother's death because she remembers
what it was like to take care of her at
that time, like this strong, independent leader who was also
a teacher. So she had like little kids. I don't
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know if they were little kids. She said they would
walk through fire for her, And I'm like, I don't
want my students to walk through fire for me. That's
not what I want. They would do anything for me,
but not walk I don't want kids. I don't want
to imagine that. So it was such a triggering for me.
I was like upset by that kind of frasing in
terminology because but I see what they were trying to do.
(28:10):
They're painting a picture of this person. But that was
a little too much. Just but it was funny listening
to that story and her talking about her mom, and
then you at the end you see what she looked like,
and I'm like, I didn't imagine her looking like this
at all. I wanted like an older version of her,
like not like a really like a she looks like
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the Queen of England or like Betty White. And I'm like,
I don't know, I didn't believe it. I wouldn't walk
through fire for that lady. She looked like a mean teacher,
like if she was a teacher, she'd probably tell kids
to like spit out their gum and be quiet. I
don't know. I wanted her to be like a nicer teacher,
looking like maybe like a little hippie because she believed
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in Athena and all this shit.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
I was a little disappointed with the person. And she's
wearing this bright pink or blue what was what color
was she wearing? It was like an obnoxious easter color.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Yeah, it all did look very like.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Everybody's going to Easter. Yeah, and I I just, yeah,
I just don't know. I didn't like the costuming on
that It would have been cool if they were just
wearing like togas or but I don't know. I guess
it's the new God. So the new God's got to
give you like pearls and floral dresses. I don't know.
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It was interesting that boat was big too. I wasn't
expecting the boat to be so big. I was hoping
for like a more rustic boat for some reason. I
don't know why. I don't know where they get a
rustic boat.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Yeah, that fell out of place, like when that ship
first comes on yeah screen, because I guess I would
expect like a kind of small little boat that they're paddling.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Yeah, And it would have been cool if they could
like make one to look like wood or natural like materials,
because I feel like a canoe can hold two people
if they're like a little wider, and they didn't have to,
like they could just be sitting on the boat. There's
ways to like get a boat to the middle of
the river and then just let it sit there, Like
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you could have anchored it so that the actors were
just sitting in a canoe looking out. But they wanted
this river to be huge, and they wanted this land
to be so green and lush, and it was jarring
because I'm so used to this gray aesthetic that I
was like, where are we? What is happening? I wish
they would have like hazed us in or eased us
(30:40):
into this, or it would have been cool if it
was like night stars, like her looking out her window
in the night, and then it fades to that blue
rich water, give me some like. Instead, they spent their
fucking CGI budget on making her head less big. I
don't know. It would have been cool if they framed
it more dream like, is what I'm saying it. It
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felt weird and surreal and out of place. But she
was so excited about it, and I was like, oh.
She had to go tell Bill right away in the
middle of the night. She's like, I had the same dream,
and He's like, yeah, you will. I guess that's what
you're gonna do now.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
I like that moment with them at the end. Yeah,
there's a Dama who's like notably been very very much
like an atheist through most of the series. Is now like,
I believe in you, I believe in finding Earth.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
It was just some lie I told, But now I
gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
Yeah, And his smile. It was so cute and iconic.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Yeah. You don't realize how seldom he smiles until he does.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Yeah, and then it's a joy. It was so welcome.
And then the episode ended and you're like, oh my god,
they're going to find earths and it's very hopeful. And
I like that too.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
And he's also worried about all his kids he's sent away.
Oh yeah, his babies. Oh he's gonna be upset when
he finds out one of them died. But yeah, good episode.
I really liked it.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
I'm really excited for the next one.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Astral queen who was the standout character in the episode?
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Who's your astral queen? I don't know who I really
want to pick ons.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
See, I was thinking about him, but he's also the
one that's shot.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
But I think that's hilarious. I think it's hilarious because
he's so high strung and emotional and he's like totally invested.
I think I want to give it to Anders because
he does the best acting he's ever done too, especially
when he's about to touch the goo. Oh my god,
I was so tense was I saw him looking at it?
I saw him eye volve in it, and I was like,
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he's thinking what I'm thinking, So I'm giving it to Anders.
Another contestant or another one that I considered was Emily
because she's like, I don't give a fuck, you're the president.
I'm going to listen to my shows. You better not
fucking turn it off. And then she's like kind of
(33:05):
backtracks and she's like, I don't listen to him because
he talks shit on you. But I like his message,
but his message is talking shit on her. So it
was I liked her though her character was nice. It
was like very frank and real, and I feel like
she treated the president in a way that the president
hasn't been treated in a long time, like a human.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Yeah, so it was cool.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
But Anders is tripping on shit, accidentally shooting people because
somebody forces you to. It was fun. He's just kind
of if you would have put that Benny Hill soundtrack
on him when he shot Gata, it would have been
fucking gold.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
There is like layers to what's going on with Anders
because he's he's also like in the middle of a
Cylon ship surrounded by Cylons and the hybrid, and like
at any moment he's worried that someone is going to
realize who he is. Yeah, and then the end the
episode with them like bringing out a plan to find
out who the final five Sylon are.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Right, and he's like, I know three of those dudes
were fucked, so I'm I really like his position. Who's yours?
Are you thinking onders too?
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Yeah? Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
You guess who else would have been.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
I just don't like that he shot Gata.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
It wasn't on purpose. If it was on purpose, it
would have been like in the chest, in the shoulder,
in the face.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
He didn't even apologize.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
Why would he That motherfucker was screaming in agony and pain.
He's not going to be in any position to like
accept an apology.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
I know. All right, and there's two awards coming your way.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Yeah, you silon fuck? Are you ready for spoilers? My god?
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Yes, that's that's the end of the main part of
our episode. We will go into the spoiler section and
we will spoil some things. So if you are not
someone looking for boilers out, you have to leave and
we will see you next time. For the epoch for
the episode called Guess What's Coming to Dinner?
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Ew, What's Coming to Dinner?
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
I feel like that could be derogatory if you call
somebody like that, guess what's coming to give dinner, honey,
and it's an actual person that shows up, and it's
like rude calling me a thing.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Yeah, I think it goes into that dehumanization you were
just talking about.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Oh, okay, okay, that's interesting. Okay, damn, that's racist. All right,
let's do it.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Stylus in this group.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Race for Impact. Spoilers ahead. If you haven't seen the
whole series, now is the time to say goodbye. Remember
you can contact us. It's facingoutcod at gmail dot com.
Find us on Facebook and Twitter, share your thoughts and
be a part of the discussion. Spoiler in five four
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three two one, who's.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Coming to dinner? It's the Cylons. Yeah, they're the what.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Yeah. I think next episode is also going to be
interesting one because we're jumping that bay ship back to
the fleet.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
It's gonna be a red alert. Everybody's going to be
shitting their pants.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
Hopefully it doesn't land on anybody when it comes in. Now,
I'm sure it'll land and nobody will be hurt or injured.
They'll land perfectly in the middle of the space, so
the reception is like mild, medium or hot because I
don't remember anything.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Well, if you really want me to spoil.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
It, yeah, that's what we're doing. Please.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Uh. They're going to jump both the bay Ship and
then Demetrius at the same time because they're idiots and
the Demetrius has an issue, so the bay Ship gets
there first. Oh no, and they don't have any communications.
Oh no. So yeah, it's a mess. It's a mess. Yeah. Uh,
let's talk about Gata is never the same after this.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
No, he lost his spunk. I kind of almost spoiled
it in the beginning where I talked about him losing
a leg. He loses a leg, y'all yep, Oh my god.
And then he's got this cane and this attitude. I
feel like he becomes somebody who he never thought he'd become.
But hey, we're all capable of it. After trauma. You
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and I feel like there's no way for him to
grieve this through this, and I'm sure we'll see it
like he has absolutely no support, which is the difference
between the Silons and the humans. In a lot of weights,
the Silence took care of each other after they have
experienced something traumatic and they try to work through it.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
And his leg when it's amputated, but like it never
stops irritating.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
Him, right, Yes, anti pain.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
This physical manifestation of just like what he's experienperiencing.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
Yeah, they did him so dirty.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
And the fact that it is Anders that does pull
the trigger and you will eventually learn that he's a
cylon and like as the as the colonial fleet begins
to like ally itself with some of these cylons, you know,
Data is never okay with that.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
No, he's not on board at all. I wouldn't be either. Yeah,
I wouldn't be either. So I completely get it. And
it sucks because I'm pretty sure he dies and he
never like it's not. I feel like his story arc
is just so tragic. It was one of the most
disappointing parts of this show for me, because I really
he's like a beloved character to me.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
And another character that I feel like didn't get the
best treatment is d Like she's she doesn't get back
in the fold, not not as much.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
She's Yeah, for someone who had such like a big
role seasons two and three, Like I think we've seen
her like once this season so far.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
Yeah, they're treating her like this like NASTYX wife.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
We're also we're just we're not spending a lot of
time in the cic. The Yeah, the season hasn't been
a lot about like battle conflicts. It's been a lot
of like interpersonal conflicts and.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
Religion and monotheistic like conflicts between different philosophies and mindsets,
and then Earth and now the Final Five, and there's
no room for the day to day, which is I
like the day to day like one of the one
I think there was one episode where they were following
around the crew during the regular day and it was
(39:36):
one of my favorite episodes. So it's just that's behind us,
and now we're like in the opera house and we're
discovering cylons and it's just different.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
That's the episode where Gata had like his shirt on
buttons smoking a cigarette. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
Yeah, see, like I'm and I'm gonna miss that guy.
I'm really gonna miss him because I know from here
it's kind of downhill for him and it just sucks. Spoilers, Well,
I feel like that was a show. Yeah, you got
any more to spoil or say?
Speaker 2 (40:05):
Just real quick, the Hybrid was kind of dropping some
hints about the Final Five and that she says they
come from the home of the Thirteenth I mean they
come from Earth. The truth is that the the Cylons
are the Thirteenth Tribe, meaning on Cobyl there is twelve
tribes of humans, and then the Cylons that they created. Oh,
(40:26):
and then when they did the exodus from Coobal, the
Cylons went on their own.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
Okay, that's so long ago.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Yeah, okay, that's the story. That's it on unfold all right.
And then those Cylons, after their Earth was destroyed, they
met up with the Centurions and created the other seven
Cylons that we know.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
Oh and they don't remember any of this, right, but
they know where Earth's the first one, just the one
they fucked up.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
I can't wait till they find that fucked up Earth.
And now their hopes and dreams are smashed.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Yeah, that's what the show needs, is hope crushed.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
I just like it when bad things happen on TV.
It's okay because it's fiction.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
All right, let's get out of here.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
Yeah, we've been here long enough.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
Thanks for joining us. I hope you have a great day.
And if your friend is shot in the leg, get
medical help immediately.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
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You can help us out by subscribing and leaving a
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We hope you will join us, so say we all
Welcome to Spacing Out with BB and Jason this week
covering Battlestar Galacticas season four episode six, Faith.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Ye, welcome back.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
I'm BB and I'm Jason, and this is spacing Out
where today we will be discussing Battlestar Galactica. If you
are new to the show, first, welcome, Second, you should
know we're going to have a spoiler section at the
end of the podcast where we are free to discuss
any future events in the show, but otherwise we won't
be spoiling anything past this episode, which is Battlestar Galactica
(00:37):
season four, episode six faith By. This aired on May ninth,
two thousand and eight. Written by Seamus Kevin Feye, directed
by Michael Nankin. The survivor count is thirty nine thousand,
six hundred and seventy five, which was a loss of
one from the last episode who died.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
I don't know the lady who was in this episode
that died, but they don't count her before she's dead.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
No, so maybe something because I show that number in
the credits. In this episode, a mutiny attempt aboard the
Demetrius and with Gata being shot in the leg Byanders
Starbuck investigates the open story about Silon civil War and
returns with a Cylon basship. The ship's hybrid cryptically tells
her that the final five Cylons know the way to
Earth's and that's the number three is need to be
(01:24):
unboxed in order to identify them. And on Galactica, President
Roslin undergoes cancer treatments and has long conversations with another
patient who's a convert to Guys Baltar's monotheistic preachings.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Vibe check. Did we like the episode overall? How does
it stand the test of time?
Speaker 2 (01:45):
All?
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Right?
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Did you like that episode?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
I do like this episode quite a bit. I think
it's a really good one. I mean, last episode we
were talking about how like not a whole lot of
interesting stuff happened, and I feel like this episode picked
up where it left off and gave us a lot more.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Yeah, it gave us a bunch we're moving and shaking.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Yeah, it was a lot of action right off the bat,
and we got to see some of these storylines kind
of come together with the Cylons.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Finally counting each other. They're like, oh, yeah, there is
five of us that we don't know about.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Well, this is finally like meeting up with the humans.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Oh yeah, that too.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Andander's getting more and more scared of being found out,
but also.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Really curious about the Cylon experience, Like he wanted to
touch the good. He was ready.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
He's like, I wonder what it is to be Yeah,
so it motherfuckers.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
He's like so trigger happy. He shocked two people today.
Well the second one wasn't really his choice, but he
was holding the gun. So lots of death in this one.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Yeah. And then our scenes with Laura Roslin were engaging.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
I think they were a little long winded a little bit, yeah,
but but I was okay.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
It was nice to take a moment with her, and
it kind of balanced the episode in a way.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Yeah. Yeah, we needed to see what we needed to
see what was going on on Galactica. It's been a
while since we were in this episode. It's very heavy
on the pylon human interactions and that what's going on
with Demetris or whatever the ship is called the mission.
So I was glad to like jump back to Galactica
(03:25):
and get a little human interest story on Roslin. Her
grandma looks like Betty White or her mom, I mean,
and all I can think of when she was looking
at her mom across the river. Was you changed her diaper?
You brought that up? So now that's what I'm thinking about.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Would have been a great spot for some cameos. Yes,
her family is that Mike Myers?
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Who do you think they could get to cameo? I
mean there was a notable camo in this episode.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Already, right with the Emily.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Yeah, and some people I didn't notice at first. You
had to point it out and then it was really
blatantly obvious. Is that part of trivia?
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Okay, well do you want to do that?
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Yep?
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Okay, But we like the episode, like that's consensus.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Trivia time. What facts could we uncover?
Speaker 2 (04:24):
For Faith Baltar his voices throughout this whole episode. A
lot of his wireless broadcasts contains a number of phrases
from the to be or not to be soliloquy of Hamlet.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Oh. I don't know why, but Shakespeare. Maybe he's like
the Shakespeare of this generation, because you know, they already
have a Jimi Hendrix, so they should have a Shakespeare.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Or the writers are just a bunch of nerds. The hybrid,
the speech it repeats a lot borrows some texts from
the Biblical Book of Jeremy.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
It's Jeremiah. I never heard of the Biblical Book of Jeremiah.
Is that in the Bible?
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Okay, Jeremiah's And I knew that name sounded biblical when
I've heard it on people's peoples, But I didn't realize
there was a whole book of Jeremiah. I thought he
was just named in passing. Okay, who was he? Do
you know anything about Jeremiah or the Book of Jeremiah.
I'm not a church person, so I don't know anything
(05:28):
about the books of the Bible. Well, I know Genesis
and Revelations. Is Revelations the one with the four horsemen
of the Apocalypse. Yeah, yeah, that's all I know. I
know the beginning and the end.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
I think Jeremiah is a very kind of sad book.
It's like it's a lament oh, if i'm remember incorrectly,
kind of a poetic book.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
So Greek mythology very present in the episode.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Yeah, they talk about Athena or no Aphrodite.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Emily's description of the words of Cobal and their behaviors
consistent with Greek mythology. When speaking of her mother's death,
Laura Roslin mentions a field of elysium, a portion of
the Greek on the world where heroic or virtuous souls
into after death. Baltar is preaching of the symbolism of
a boat crossing a river to the land of the dead,
is very similar to the Greek legends involving the river sticks.
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It can be expected that Baltar borrows some of his
teachings from an established religion that people are very familiar with.
This parallels the rise of Christianity, which express some of
its ideas through existing cultural forms of the Roman polytheistic religions.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Right, Like, oh, you guys celebrate this harvest festival around
this time of year. That's crazy because that's when our
Lord and Savior was born or something.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
They always like meet things up and they're like, how
interesting that we're having a like a celebration on a solstice. Interesting.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Yeah, you can't bring something too radically different because then
people just reject it.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Right, right, you're already celebrate renewal. But if we just
throw in a berth or something in there. Everybody loves
a story about a baby being born as long as
they get to party.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Not a visitor place Emily. You may know her as
Kira on Star Trek Deep Space nine, where she worked
with Ronald Y Moore, and she was originally considered for
a Starbucks mother last season, but she was unavailable.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Oh I'm glad they didn't use her as a Starbucks
mother because Starbucks mother was off putting. Yeah, not that
this character wasn't with her scary teeth, but it was
just I liked her in this role.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
I'm glad we got that dream sequence where you didn't
have to look like she did in that bed.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Oh my god. Yeah, that wasn't the last image she
wanted to remember her by.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
I got an okay boomer fact.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Okay boomer. Let's look at any connection to the original
Battlestar Galactica series.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
So Starbuck has that painting that she believes a comment
going through space and later realized it's a drifting base
ship that's damage. But that image bears a visual resemblance
to the Ship of Lights from the original series, and
the Ship of Lights was a spacecraft used by the
Beings of Light, and the ship could transport people to
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another dimension. The Beings of Light were the ones that
helped primitive humans on Cobal develop their civilization. Oh and
they were thought of as angels by the humans. They
appear in two episodes of the original series are implied
to be in the sequel series Glactica.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Nineteen eighty implied to be.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yeah, there's a character that they never outright say that
it's a being of light, but it's kind of implied.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Understood, like, Okay, we know who he is. He's a
celebrity and.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
That brings us out of trivia.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Deep space dive. Let's break down some of our thoughts
on the episode. You can share your thoughts with us
through email, Facebook, or Twitter. We may use your comments
on an upcoming episode.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Well, this episode starts with guns blazing.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Hell yeah, they're like, you need to calm down. No,
you calmed down. I'm gonna get my gun out because
that makes things calm. Like whoa, I can't believe that.
Starbuck almost took them on, like she started fighting against it,
but then they like disarmed her and the first thing
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they pointed at was her vagina. They didn't point the
gun at her face. They lowered the gun but still
pointed it at her. But it was like, I'm like, what,
I don't know if you noticed it was really subtle.
They were pointing it like down on her abdomen or
bought lower body, which okay, I guess that's where you
would rather point. But anders then eventually like was pointing
(09:56):
down and shot somebody, which I guess is good because
at least he didn't shoot him in the head, you know,
like a headshot. It look it's more believable that something
like that would happen in that kind of like escalated tension,
So I can't believe it was fucking Felix though, fucking data,
poor data, Data Kada, sorry Kata. I hate saying his
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name sometimes because it feels homophobic, but his name is Felix, right, okay, Yeah,
And he's like already not having a good time on
the ship. He's like sweaty. He's used to being very
prim and clean and like in the nice ship, so
now he's like in this toilet chip sweating his balls off,
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probably not having nice access to regular bathing, and with
other sweaty people just all up in your business. So
I feel like really bad for him. He's just having
a bad time, and then nobody's taking care of his
wound dressing. It looks like it looks like he has
the same bloody rag the whole fifteen hours that they're there,
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which is not really recommended for wound care.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
I mean, I hope they're changing it.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
You need to clean it like initially at least every
two hours if it's draining or anything like that. You
really got to clean that wound. I'm glad they got
the bullet out. But when you saw her digging in
his leg and I think his bone snapped, was that
bone I saw? Yeah, Okay, I was like, this is disgusting,
(11:30):
and then yeah, I really like that, But it was
like sick.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
That was brutal, very painful.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
And in the first like ten minutes of the episode,
so and they're arguing, but after Felix gets shot, they're like, Okay,
maybe it's not worth us arguing all this over. We'll compromise.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Suddenly they started thinking of other solutions.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
It took a motherfucker to get shot and almost lose
a leg. He might lose a lake. I don't know.
That looked disgusting. And then I feel like if they
were value in his life, they would have just jumped
right there.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
That's It's what I don't get. So Starbuck and then leave.
They have to sit there for fifteen hours. Why can't
they jump back to Galactica, get Gata in the duck cuddle,
and then you know, jump back to.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Meat Right, it's the same place. I don't know. Did
they run out of fuel? Like you can get refueled
at Galactica.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
This plan didn't make a lot of sense to me,
but it was I guess entertaining to have a clock running.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Yeah, yeah, definitely. That's not something that I would have
noticed on my first time watching, probably, but yeah, something
you think about it and like, well, can't they.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Just because Gata has to get medical attention, y'all obviously
don't know what you're doing, and they yeah, I don't know.
But anyway, after they decide to compromise, Starbuck leaves and
is greeted by I uh, number six with a grudge
against the girl that was really willing to follow Starbuck
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anywhere she fucking went.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Yeah, her name was Barclay Barklay.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
And she's kind of a Cylon hater, which is like,
why would you come on this peace mission if you're
obviously not into peace with science?
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Sounds like she really believes in Starbuck finding Earth.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Well, she pays with her life, and I guess she
watched number six drown, which is weird and creepy. I
don't know if I could watch something so humanoid, just
like drown and die. The dehumanization of the Cylon race
is so real in this. And then there's even like
self silon hate when Sharon watches the other Sharon die
(13:49):
and it's because they had some sort of disagreement that
was really petty, and she even said you were right.
Those were her last words. Basically, I was wrong, you
were right, and that's her and this time they're really dead,
and Andres definitely picks up on that, and it was
a little weird because they had such a quiet moment.
It made me uncomfortable. But there was a bunch of
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stuff that happened just in between those times, like when
because they didn't want Starbuck to talk to the hybrid,
which I don't know why, because nobody understands what the
fuck the hybrid is talking about. Anyway, It's like, sure,
if you can decipher something out of what she's saying,
go for it. I don't understand their protection of a hybrid,
especially when they don't really respect the hybrid. It's weird.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
I think it varies between the cylons because, like Leo
Wynn thinks, the Hybrids are like just speaking prophecy all
the time and everything.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Has meaning, But the majority of the silence are like, eh,
you know, they're just like a part of the ship.
So I'm just like, now, all of a sudden, you're
so protective of like your catalytic converter or something.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
What. Well, they refer to the hybrid as like the
central nervous system, so it's like they're protective because it's
a big security issue.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Okay, because they didn't just get blown up by the
other cylons. What do you got to lose? I still
don't get it, Like, and the thing is they had
to take her offline regardless if they wanted to get
out of there. They were either waiting for death or
taking a chance on salvation. I just I don't Sometimes
I don't understand why the Cylons make decisions like this.
(15:27):
But Starbuck gets what she wants anyway. Throughout this episode,
she gets what she wants, and she might get answers
with what they're talking about now. Whatever the Hybrid told her,
it took a number six to fucking translate it. But
they got it because Starbuck was still like, I don't
know what she meant, like, I don't know what you
want from me. What are you talking about an opera house?
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She has no idea, And I don't know. What I'm
interested in is to know if the number six models
all have that same dream or vision. Because the one
that's captive on Galactica does have those visions and she
shared that with Laura. So do they all have that
vision because they're all connected in a weird way. I
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just wonder because their dreams are we're seeing right now
in this episode. This proves that multiple people can have
the same dream. So what's not to say that the
Silons can all have the same dream.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
I'm just putting things together here.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
I don't know. I don't think we've been given anything
to say that it is anyone other than Caprica six
having that dream?
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Right, And but then how come all of the hidden
Cylons are all having the same brain delusion of hearing
that song? I don't know. So they could put together
the opera house right there, but I don't know if
they will based on how juicy of a piece of
the puzzle that is, and I'm sure they're waiting for
(16:56):
one of the lead actors to reveal it soon, hopefully.
I don't remember. I don't know, but yeah, I feel
like I have visions about an opera house, and I
know all about the six and the thirteen and the
four and the five. I couldn't understand any of what
the hybrid was saying either, but she said something like that,
I don't know, do you have any theories? That's my
(17:17):
theory right now. It's like, I want to know if
all the sixes have had this opera dream, because it
seems that humans and cylons can see the same thing
or hear the same thing, so can they dream the
same thing? I don't know how, or do they have
to be one of the cylons that were at the
opera house to have that? But I don't know. I
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don't know. I'm so confused. This episode made my little
wheels turn and I'm really excited for the next one.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
I think I think it is specifically Cabrico six and
Athena in that dream with Rosalin.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Okay, okay, so they're specific.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Models, and Athena's there so she would understand that reference.
And I don't know if they've told people about this
dream that they've shared, or that's kind of just under
wraps because you probably wouldn't want to share that if
you're the president.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Yeah yeah, yeah, And maybe Athena that hasn't talked to
Number six to like say that we've had the same dream,
so maybe she hasn't put it together that it's a
share dream. Interesting, Okay, well, I don't know anything else
we need to talk about.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
We were talking about the Number six and Barclay and
I just I like that they like we get to
have an idea of like what death is like for
the cylons.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
There's a lot of death for the cylons in this episode.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Yeah, but like it's when they're when it's traumatic, like
it stays with them.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Right right, it's not just like you remember it.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Death isn't just this revolving door like it matters.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Right, Yeah. And it's interesting that she didn't get over it.
And I wonder how many other like do is there?
Obviously there's multiple versions of different models, and they will
box a whole model. I wonder how many times they've
had to box just an individual of a model because
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they're erratic or unruly. They're obviously are really good at
killing centurions, and even hybrids are easy to replace, apparently.
I don't know, but I wonder if they have like
a way of dealing with what's perceived to be as
mental illness to some extent or you know, because she
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has like PTSD and she probably has some sort of
depression anxiety like something that's causing her to remember this
and not let it go. And I want, like they said,
we talked about this, remember, like, so do they have
like group therapy? What's going on?
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Yeah, I mean we kind of saw a little bit
of that when we were with Kaprika six and Boomer
when they were back on Earth.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
They're back on Earth.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Oh I'm sorry, not Earth, Caprica.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Oh okay, okay, So when they were back on Caprica.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
What happened they were trying to like rehabilitate those two.
Oh yeah, they kind of paired them up together because
they thought they could help each other.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Yeah, so yeah, I think they're trying to help each
other process. They're also they're a very young society, like
a few decades. Oh yeah, so you know there, it's
probably all very new to them, having to deal with
all this.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
I wanted to point out when they when they jump
the raptor to the crash graveyard place, they seemed to
jump like right in the middle of it, right like
there was no way of knowing that they wouldn't have
jumped right into.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
A ship right like with halfway in a wall or something.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Yeah, you want to talk about President Roslin.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
And her scarf. It was so long it was like
almost hair. She was so bald. Holy shit, when she
was talking to Toy, that head was like shining.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Yeah, that was.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
I didn't know she had such a big old head.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
They did it almost like a reveal, like we're in
the scene for a little bit before we actually cut
to this her. Yeah, her bald cap, which in the
commentary they talk about how they actually had to like
reduce it in with v effects because it was so
like bulbous hair.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
I bet she looked like an alien or something. That's funny.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
And it still seemed like large to me.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
It was a big old head.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Oh that's so bad, and so smooth, like she's gotta
be shaving with a razor.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
And I feel like they should have put some veins
in it or something something to make it look realistic
a little bit like a little contour. I don't know.
It was just so pale and white. It would have
been funny if she had like a sun tan in
the shape of her bangs or you know, like sometimes.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
When she's getting any sun.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Oh, you're right, Well, you don't think they have those
satellites on ships. Maybe hopefully because I feel like seasonal depression.
There's probably like such a thing as like ship depression
or sailor depression or something like that. People who are
stuck in a kit tin can for months and months
and months, they should have like an outdoor simulator or something.
(22:39):
But I don't know. This is an old ship too.
I don't know. But yeah, at least some lights. She
could have had a little tan just on her her part,
just one little lying where her part is. So yeah,
she's delegating work to Tori. She's like, girl, I'm gonna
be way offline, so you need to be extra vigilant,
(23:03):
not knowing that Toy's a fucking cylon. And she feels
no guilt or remorse about playing both sides of the field.
But and Laura's like, I noticed that you're working extra
hard now and used to be super stressed, but now
you're not. And she just left it at that. She
didn't say what's different or you know, yeah, she didn't
(23:23):
pry or anything, which I don't know if I like
that or if I hate that, because what would have
Tori said? That's what I want to know, Like, what's
your secret fucking Baltar on the regular apparently, or like I.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Didn't get the sense, but like, was she implying that
she knows how much time she's spending with Baltar's cult.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Oh maybe she's like, hmmm, I can tell you got
a little sugar in your tank or something. I think
that means queer actually, but maybe maybe she knows. Oh,
I didn't even think about it. But I mean, as
much time as Tory goes, surely somebody would have said
(24:04):
something or sawn something by now crazy. But she goes
to Doc Cottle and Doc Coddle's like he just always
gives me that libe.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
He's just working this episode. Yeah, he's not lecturing or anything.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Now, No, No, he's actually he's like, we need to
make her comfortable. That's his line that I remember. Watching
somebody dies not easy. That's definitely part of this episode.
And more people do witness death in this episode than
in lots of other episodes, even like episodes where there's
battles and shit. I feel like we don't see death
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this portrayed this way in the show often, which is interesting.
We got Cylon death and then Cilon like trauma because
of death, and then we got human death and human
trauma because of death, and how that was really interesting.
I like that, Like it was very coherent and very
obvious how we were moving through that and how the
humans are dealing with their death, and how Gaius is
(25:04):
helping certain humans in a way that they haven't been
helped before through death and grieving, which is interesting. He's
like giving the people a new hope. Sorry, but it
is true. He's giving people a hope that like, there's
this afterlife where I get to see my relatives and
I get to go on this nice boat ride and
(25:25):
I'm in my Sunday best And I can't believe no
one ever thought of a death like that and all
their years of existence and civilization, because surely not everybody's
polytheistic or not everybody believes in the same gods. There's
other cultures and people, there's other planets, for Christ's sakes,
So how come this colony is so shaken by this
(25:48):
idea of one true God. It's interesting, like everybody's eating
it up. She's like, ooh, let me trace that Christianity.
I don't know. And it's I think it's a lluring.
I think it feels safe, and it's like giving people
like a better explanation of their current situation.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Yeah, it's giving them some meaning, some purpose. Like the
woman was talking about, like how her family gets wiped
away in the attacks and then she lives in a
moldy room for a few years only to be killed
by her own body illness.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Yeah, her body attacking herself. Yeah. Yeah, And there's probably
so many people that feel so contained. Yeah, and the
gods haven't helped them. Where are the gods?
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Dude?
Speaker 3 (26:37):
So when the gods die, what else do you believe it?
And Baltar is giving them the sab to their wounds.
It's interesting. I don't know. I like this episode because
it's it's like giving us some cool action, a lot
of blood, a lot of gore. But then also it's
not all like for nothing. There's like this deep meaning
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behind a lot of it, and it's like people are
reflecting upon it. They're like sitting with it in a
way that we do sit with death. We can't just
shake it off. It's like this thing that's always looming
and how do you how do you cope with that?
It's interesting. I really liked it.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Yeah, and Roslin gets to explore some of her trauma
with her own mother's death. Yeah, she's kind of confronting
her fear of death right.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Because she didn't want to be that person. That's like
what I got from it. She's like superimposing her personal
feelings and ideas onto her mother's death because she remembers
what it was like to take care of her at
that time, like this strong, independent leader who was also
a teacher. So she had like little kids. I don't
(27:46):
know if they were little kids. She said they would
walk through fire for her, And I'm like, I don't
want my students to walk through fire for me. That's
not what I want. They would do anything for me,
but not walk I don't want kids. I don't want
to imagine that. So it was such a triggering for me.
I was like upset by that kind of frasing in
terminology because but I see what they were trying to do.
(28:10):
They're painting a picture of this person. But that was
a little too much. Just but it was funny listening
to that story and her talking about her mom, and
then you at the end you see what she looked like,
and I'm like, I didn't imagine her looking like this
at all. I wanted like an older version of her,
like not like a really like a she looks like
(28:32):
the Queen of England or like Betty White. And I'm like,
I don't know, I didn't believe it. I wouldn't walk
through fire for that lady. She looked like a mean teacher,
like if she was a teacher, she'd probably tell kids
to like spit out their gum and be quiet. I
don't know. I wanted her to be like a nicer teacher,
looking like maybe like a little hippie because she believed
(28:55):
in Athena and all this shit.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
I was a little disappointed with the person. And she's
wearing this bright pink or blue what was what color
was she wearing? It was like an obnoxious easter color.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Yeah, it all did look very like.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Everybody's going to Easter. Yeah, and I I just, yeah,
I just don't know. I didn't like the costuming on
that It would have been cool if they were just
wearing like togas or but I don't know. I guess
it's the new God. So the new God's got to
give you like pearls and floral dresses. I don't know.
(29:35):
It was interesting that boat was big too. I wasn't
expecting the boat to be so big. I was hoping
for like a more rustic boat for some reason. I
don't know why. I don't know where they get a
rustic boat.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Yeah, that fell out of place, like when that ship
first comes on yeah screen, because I guess I would
expect like a kind of small little boat that they're paddling.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Yeah, And it would have been cool if they could
like make one to look like wood or natural like materials,
because I feel like a canoe can hold two people
if they're like a little wider, and they didn't have to,
like they could just be sitting on the boat. There's
ways to like get a boat to the middle of
the river and then just let it sit there, Like
(30:19):
you could have anchored it so that the actors were
just sitting in a canoe looking out. But they wanted
this river to be huge, and they wanted this land
to be so green and lush, and it was jarring
because I'm so used to this gray aesthetic that I
was like, where are we? What is happening? I wish
they would have like hazed us in or eased us
(30:40):
into this, or it would have been cool if it
was like night stars, like her looking out her window
in the night, and then it fades to that blue
rich water, give me some like. Instead, they spent their
fucking CGI budget on making her head less big. I
don't know. It would have been cool if they framed
it more dream like, is what I'm saying it. It
(31:02):
felt weird and surreal and out of place. But she
was so excited about it, and I was like, oh.
She had to go tell Bill right away in the
middle of the night. She's like, I had the same dream,
and He's like, yeah, you will. I guess that's what
you're gonna do now.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
I like that moment with them at the end. Yeah,
there's a Dama who's like notably been very very much
like an atheist through most of the series. Is now like,
I believe in you, I believe in finding Earth.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
It was just some lie I told, But now I
gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
Yeah, And his smile. It was so cute and iconic.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Yeah. You don't realize how seldom he smiles until he does.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Yeah, and then it's a joy. It was so welcome.
And then the episode ended and you're like, oh my god,
they're going to find earths and it's very hopeful. And
I like that too.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
And he's also worried about all his kids he's sent away.
Oh yeah, his babies. Oh he's gonna be upset when
he finds out one of them died. But yeah, good episode.
I really liked it.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
I'm really excited for the next one.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Astral queen who was the standout character in the episode?
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Who's your astral queen? I don't know who I really
want to pick ons.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
See, I was thinking about him, but he's also the
one that's shot.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
But I think that's hilarious. I think it's hilarious because
he's so high strung and emotional and he's like totally invested.
I think I want to give it to Anders because
he does the best acting he's ever done too, especially
when he's about to touch the goo. Oh my god,
I was so tense was I saw him looking at it?
I saw him eye volve in it, and I was like,
(32:44):
he's thinking what I'm thinking, So I'm giving it to Anders.
Another contestant or another one that I considered was Emily
because she's like, I don't give a fuck, you're the president.
I'm going to listen to my shows. You better not
fucking turn it off. And then she's like kind of
(33:05):
backtracks and she's like, I don't listen to him because
he talks shit on you. But I like his message,
but his message is talking shit on her. So it
was I liked her though her character was nice. It
was like very frank and real, and I feel like
she treated the president in a way that the president
hasn't been treated in a long time, like a human.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Yeah, so it was cool.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
But Anders is tripping on shit, accidentally shooting people because
somebody forces you to. It was fun. He's just kind
of if you would have put that Benny Hill soundtrack
on him when he shot Gata, it would have been
fucking gold.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
There is like layers to what's going on with Anders
because he's he's also like in the middle of a
Cylon ship surrounded by Cylons and the hybrid, and like
at any moment he's worried that someone is going to
realize who he is. Yeah, and then the end the
episode with them like bringing out a plan to find
out who the final five Sylon are.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Right, and he's like, I know three of those dudes
were fucked, so I'm I really like his position. Who's yours?
Are you thinking onders too?
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Yeah? Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
You guess who else would have been.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
I just don't like that he shot Gata.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
It wasn't on purpose. If it was on purpose, it
would have been like in the chest, in the shoulder,
in the face.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
He didn't even apologize.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
Why would he That motherfucker was screaming in agony and pain.
He's not going to be in any position to like
accept an apology.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
I know. All right, and there's two awards coming your way.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Yeah, you silon fuck? Are you ready for spoilers? My god?
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Yes, that's that's the end of the main part of
our episode. We will go into the spoiler section and
we will spoil some things. So if you are not
someone looking for boilers out, you have to leave and
we will see you next time. For the epoch for
the episode called Guess What's Coming to Dinner?
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Ew, What's Coming to Dinner?
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
I feel like that could be derogatory if you call
somebody like that, guess what's coming to give dinner, honey,
and it's an actual person that shows up, and it's
like rude calling me a thing.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Yeah, I think it goes into that dehumanization you were
just talking about.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Oh, okay, okay, that's interesting. Okay, damn, that's racist. All right,
let's do it.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Stylus in this group.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Race for Impact. Spoilers ahead. If you haven't seen the
whole series, now is the time to say goodbye. Remember
you can contact us. It's facingoutcod at gmail dot com.
Find us on Facebook and Twitter, share your thoughts and
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three two one, who's.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Coming to dinner? It's the Cylons. Yeah, they're the what.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Yeah. I think next episode is also going to be
interesting one because we're jumping that bay ship back to
the fleet.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
It's gonna be a red alert. Everybody's going to be
shitting their pants.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
Hopefully it doesn't land on anybody when it comes in. Now,
I'm sure it'll land and nobody will be hurt or injured.
They'll land perfectly in the middle of the space, so
the reception is like mild, medium or hot because I
don't remember anything.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Well, if you really want me to spoil.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
It, yeah, that's what we're doing. Please.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Uh. They're going to jump both the bay Ship and
then Demetrius at the same time because they're idiots and
the Demetrius has an issue, so the bay Ship gets
there first. Oh no, and they don't have any communications.
Oh no. So yeah, it's a mess. It's a mess. Yeah. Uh,
let's talk about Gata is never the same after this.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
No, he lost his spunk. I kind of almost spoiled
it in the beginning where I talked about him losing
a leg. He loses a leg, y'all yep, Oh my god.
And then he's got this cane and this attitude. I
feel like he becomes somebody who he never thought he'd become.
But hey, we're all capable of it. After trauma. You
(37:29):
and I feel like there's no way for him to
grieve this through this, and I'm sure we'll see it
like he has absolutely no support, which is the difference
between the Silons and the humans. In a lot of weights,
the Silence took care of each other after they have
experienced something traumatic and they try to work through it.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
And his leg when it's amputated, but like it never
stops irritating.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
Him, right, Yes, anti pain.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
This physical manifestation of just like what he's experienperiencing.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
Yeah, they did him so dirty.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
And the fact that it is Anders that does pull
the trigger and you will eventually learn that he's a
cylon and like as the as the colonial fleet begins
to like ally itself with some of these cylons, you know,
Data is never okay with that.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
No, he's not on board at all. I wouldn't be either. Yeah,
I wouldn't be either. So I completely get it. And
it sucks because I'm pretty sure he dies and he
never like it's not. I feel like his story arc
is just so tragic. It was one of the most
disappointing parts of this show for me, because I really
he's like a beloved character to me.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
And another character that I feel like didn't get the
best treatment is d Like she's she doesn't get back
in the fold, not not as much.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
She's Yeah, for someone who had such like a big
role seasons two and three, Like I think we've seen
her like once this season so far.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
Yeah, they're treating her like this like NASTYX wife.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
We're also we're just we're not spending a lot of
time in the cic. The Yeah, the season hasn't been
a lot about like battle conflicts. It's been a lot
of like interpersonal conflicts and.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
Religion and monotheistic like conflicts between different philosophies and mindsets,
and then Earth and now the Final Five, and there's
no room for the day to day, which is I
like the day to day like one of the one
I think there was one episode where they were following
around the crew during the regular day and it was
(39:36):
one of my favorite episodes. So it's just that's behind us,
and now we're like in the opera house and we're
discovering cylons and it's just different.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
That's the episode where Gata had like his shirt on
buttons smoking a cigarette. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
Yeah, see, like I'm and I'm gonna miss that guy.
I'm really gonna miss him because I know from here
it's kind of downhill for him and it just sucks. Spoilers, Well,
I feel like that was a show. Yeah, you got
any more to spoil or say?
Speaker 2 (40:05):
Just real quick, the Hybrid was kind of dropping some
hints about the Final Five and that she says they
come from the home of the Thirteenth I mean they
come from Earth. The truth is that the the Cylons
are the Thirteenth Tribe, meaning on Cobyl there is twelve
tribes of humans, and then the Cylons that they created. Oh,
(40:26):
and then when they did the exodus from Coobal, the
Cylons went on their own.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
Okay, that's so long ago.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Yeah, okay, that's the story. That's it on unfold all right.
And then those Cylons, after their Earth was destroyed, they
met up with the Centurions and created the other seven
Cylons that we know.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
Oh and they don't remember any of this, right, but
they know where Earth's the first one, just the one
they fucked up.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
I can't wait till they find that fucked up Earth.
And now their hopes and dreams are smashed.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Yeah, that's what the show needs, is hope crushed.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
I just like it when bad things happen on TV.
It's okay because it's fiction.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
All right, let's get out of here.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
Yeah, we've been here long enough.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
Thanks for joining us. I hope you have a great day.
And if your friend is shot in the leg, get
medical help immediately.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
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