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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Spacing Out with BB and Jason this week
covering Battlestar Galacticas season four episode one, He That believeth
In Me?
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Ye, welcome back, I BB and Jason, and this is
spacing Out where today we will be discussing Battlestar Galactica.
If you are new to the show, we will have
a spoiler section at the end of the podcast where
we're free to discuss future events in the show, but
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otherwise we won't be spoiling anything past this episode, which
is Battlestar Galactica, season four, episode one, He That believeth
In Me? And that's one of to note that some
places you look, you might see this listed as episode three,
and that's because sometimes they consider the movie Razor to
be episodes one and two of the season. But just
want to clear that up and from here fourth I'm
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going to refer to this as episode one, next one
in episode two, and so forth. This aired on April fourth,
two thousand and eight. That is over a year since
the season three finale, which was in March of two
thousand and seven. There was the movie Razor in between
there in November two thousand and seven, but it's been
quite a while since that cliffhanger was written by Bradley
Thompson and David Weddell, directed by Michael Rimer. The survivor
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count was thirty nine thousand, six hundred and ninety eight.
In this episode, the fleet survives a seemingly hopeless battle.
After the Cylon suddenly retreat, Baltar finds a home amongst
the cult of its followers. Starbuck has mysteriously returned, claiming
to know the way to Earth, but she has thought
to be a Cylon.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Vibe check. Did we like the episode overall? How does
it stand the test of time? All?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Right? Bb, here we are finally in the final season.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
This is the final season?
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Yep? Oh shit, we are? We're in it now? Is
I mean, it's a long season. It's twenty episode, so
we're not.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Like, only shit, twenty episode.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
We're not right up at the end.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
But this is the beginning of the end.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
So what do you want me to say about it?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
How do you feel about it? How much you like it?
Speaker 3 (02:09):
I like this episode a little bit, like I was
more liking the episode than disliking it, because it's like
following up this huge discovery that we have four Cylons
on this ship in very key roles, and we get
to see how they're going to react and what their
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how their knowledge of who they really are affects them,
and the relationships with other crew members. Very interesting, very spicy.
And then it's also nice to see Kiara again, especially
after we thought we'd lost her. Everybody was like mourning her,
and she's so sad that Katie Sakoff had to go
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or whatever her name is. Yeah, and then she's back
all of a sudden, and it's like, who the fuck
are you you? And so that's I like that kind.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Of intrigue and story doesn't add up.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Yeah, who the fuck or why is your ship so pristine?
And it's like putting the Cylons in a very interesting position,
like the newly discovered Sylons, because they know who they are.
And then all of a sudden, there's somebody who's like
being accused of being a silent. They're like there's no way,
like they know the truth, but they they're like leading
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investigations and part of the conversation to like do we
trust this person or not?
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Yeah, well they don't know. Also, like they know there's
one more, one more Sylon, and she wasn't on board
when they were hearing you know, Jimi Hendrix.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
So so I like this episode. It's a good first
episode to kind of set things up Baltar and his
cult following. That's going to be like interesting to see
how like you can see like part of him is
like not taking it seriously, but then another part of
him is really indoctrinating into this belief of like take
(04:04):
my life please.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Yeah, it's taking him a moment to kind of accept
where he is and what his new role is.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Yeah, so I'm liking it. It's interesting. I'm excited. Twenty episodes.
I feel like they could have cut that shorter.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Yeah. I also like this episode.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
No surprise, Jason's a Battlestar Galactica fan.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
But it is a good opening to the season. It's
you know, that was one of the better battle sequences
that we opened the show with. Yeah, it's just like
really chaotic. There's a lot of different threads going on
with the Cylon characters now revealed and their role in
this battle and struggling with who they are in the
midst of this chaos. And then yeah, I mean we're
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just we're setting up kind of what this season's going
to be about. In a lot of ways, the show
is posing some questions that I think we're going to
be exploring throughout the season.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Yeah. Yeah, I think it's a good opening to like
where we're at after the discovery and kind of setting
things up for future episodes. All right, and the fucking
cliffhanger start. That cliffhanger is like, God, damn, I think
I like episodes with cliffhangers, Like.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
We waited so long to get the resolution to one
cliffhanger only to be met with another.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Trivia time, what bacs could we uncover for he that
believeth in me, let's.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Do some trivia. So. In June two thousand and seven,
the Sci Fi Channel announced that season four would be
the final season the Battlestar Galactica. The episode order was
increased from the originally announced thirteen episodes to twenty two episodes. Again,
that twenty two includes two episodes making a razor, which should.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Have been added like a season ago.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Yeah. Well, semantics, the pre cap sequence that starts almost
every episode. That's the thing. That's what says the cylons
were created by man, etc. Et cetera. No longer reads
and they have a plan. The new text reads, twelve
Cylon models seven are known for live in secret. One
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will be revealed because they no longer have a plan.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Some could a never had a planned.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
The visual effects team for the episode won the Primetime
Emmy Award for Outstanding Special Visual Effects.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
On this episode particular, or was it for the whole season?
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Is for this episode? So I mean that that battle
sequence had some really cool shots.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Yeah, I was so confused. I was like, where are
they shooting from? What is going on? I felt like
I'm monitors, and I'm like, I don't know what to do.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Even they damaged that the ship that has like the ring, the.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
One that looks a little like the Deep Space nine.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Yeah, kind of a little it gives.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Yeah, Yeah, there was a big explosion there.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
The title appears to be adapted from the Bible verse.
John three sixteen.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
What is that Bible horse? Because I've seen stickers for
it everywhere.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
That is the so God so loved the world that
he sent his only begotten son, that whoever believes in
him shall not perish but have everlasting life.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
You just came off off the top of the noggin
with that.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
That's a very famous verse.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Everybody likes that verse. But if you're Christian, I like
the Old Testament where he's like, I'm gonna burn your
village and turn your wife into a saul pillar. That's
what I like the Old Testament, and God is like
more vengeful but liter Okay.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Well yeah, so yeah, there's some John.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Three sixteen is about loving Jesus and accepting him in
your heart.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Yeah, and there's a lot of religious elements in this
and just you know, believing or not in Starbucks story,
right right, so yeah, so it's about faith really. Actor
Ryan Robbins, he is a guy who originally portrayed the
Armissans officer in the mini series. That's the first sequence
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in the mini series where that guy. That is when
now that old age makeup is waiting at that station
and Number six comes in for the first time kisses
him and it blows up. You remember this? You're looking
at me blankly. What a mini series? The very first
shot in the mini series?
Speaker 3 (08:34):
What was the mini series? Was that online?
Speaker 2 (08:40):
No, the mini series is the pilot of the whole show.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Oh, I cannot remember that far back. The only kiss
and I remember is when Baltar makes out with the blonde,
and then sometimes when Starbuck makes out with random dudes
or her husband, that's it. I don't remember anybody kissing
somebody with old makeup.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Well, it happens. It happened, but because that actor was
in the old age makeup. He later returned to play
another role, which is Connor, and in season three he
was part of the tribunal group that was after the occupation.
They were finding the collaborators and executing them. Okay, he
was very angry about his son being killed, and so
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he's that's Connor that shows up in the bathroom to
attack Baltar. Oh but anyway, so he played both those characters.
He's the only actor who has played multiple characters in
the show, except the Cylons obviously do that.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
But he's the only non Sylent.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Okay, And he'll go on to have a recurring role
in Caprica as well as a different character.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
And we are not going to watch that.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
We might watch that, We might watch that, oh, okay,
not making any statements one way or another. A scene
cut from the battle sequence showed Samuel Anders aiming his
Viper's guns at Celix's ship while struggling with his Sylon
and another end or scene that was focused on cutting
the cast off of his leg. Due to the absence
of his leg injury that he had in the previous season,
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It's just kind of.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Gone, that's Cylon healing man.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Yep, and that's it for Trivia.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Deep Space Dive. Let's break down some of our thoughts
on the episode. You can share your thoughts with us
through email, Facebook, or Twitter. We may use your comments
on an upcoming episode.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
He that believe it in me?
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Who is me?
Speaker 2 (10:35):
That's the real.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Question, right because we got Starbuck and then we got Baltar,
both having issues with believing Do you think it's Starbuck?
After I saw her kicking ass, I'm like, that's Starbucks.
They can't hold her. It was funny that they had
a group of maybe like what two or three people
like following her around. They didn't even handcover her noot,
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just walking around.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
No worries. Well, the president wants her behind bars.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Right, But Adama any Adama is like, no, not Starbuck.
We like her. And they have like a whole conversation
about like what if that was my brother on that
plane and he came back out of nowhere? Do you
believe that you would treat him different, and that was
like a valid question.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Yeah. I think that's one of the questions that the
show was asking, is like does it matter if you're
technically a cylon? If like what makes a person Like
that's what it's.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Thinking, like what And I think Anders is like really
struggling with that, especially like when he's in the middle
of a battlefield and then when he comes back and
talks to his wife, He's like, you would know, like
he's talking from experience, and her response is like, well,
you're better than me, because if I knew you were
a sylon, I'd fucking shoot you in the face. And
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I'm like that's a classic Starbuck response, But that's not
what he needs to hear right now.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Who's like, Okay, maybe I won't be too open with you.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Yeah yeah, but like lets him.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Know, I want to go hang out with Colonel Tye
and the others.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
The weirdest group of people to hang out in the
whole ship, the fucking mechanic, the press secretary, the nugget,
and the right hand man to the colonel or whatever,
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the Colonel Tye, he's a colonel. The weirdest group of
people to hang out and be like We're just gonna
sit here in this room, not really talk to each other,
but just.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Hang out and sit on the four different sides of
the room.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Yeah, contemplating and then not randomly asking do you still
hear that song? No, that's not relevant anymore, not yet.
And meanwhile, Laura Roslin is like going into number six
is Sell and asking her like, hey, who are the
final five? And she can't say who they are because
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she doesn't obviously see them clearly and their risions or whatever,
But she assures Roslin that they are nearby. And I
feel like that's probably like scaring Roslin and making her
think that Kiara is one of them, which she could be,
because we only know who four of them are. There's
one left.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
That we have still no idea. It's ot there.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
It could be anybody. It could be her, it could
be Laura Roslin.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Yeah, And as far as Roslin and everyone else is concerned,
like there's still five cylons that they don't know about,
and so that that paranoia and suspicion and fear is
probably present all the time.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
It gives like red scare kind of vibes, like these
would be people who are a communists, Like how do
you know who's a communist? And pitting people against people.
It's very like nineteen fifties post war America, but it's
also set through the eyes of like the Iraq War
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and this idea of Islamophobia and all these other things
that we were dealing with and what was it, two
thousand and eight, two thousand and seven, So it's like
we're also on the brink of financial institutions collapsing and
different things just not going the right way for a
lot of people, and we don't know who to point
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our fingers to because we I think that's like an
innate human response. If something bad happens, you want somebody
to blame it on, and you want to hold somebody
accountable for bad actions or bad results, and it's just
like who do you trust?
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Very interesting, Yeah, And then we have so we have Roslin,
who is like purely like skeptical. This is definitely like
a Pylon trick, and you know, we need to keep
Starbuck behind bars. We need to you know, like none
of this story adds up.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Gata's with her too, yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
I'm sure a lot of people are. And then the
other side of that is Lee is just like purely
like this is Kara, this is you know, the person
that we all know and love. This is our family,
which leaves the Admiral Dama somewhere in between those like
wrestling with these ideas like, yeah, we can't explain why
your ship has no scratches on it is brand new,
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and we have video footage of yourship blowing.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Up, he said, Do I believe my eyes or my heart?
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Yeah? So Starbuck, who according to her memory, was only
gone a few hours and she went to Earth, took
some photos and is now trying to bring them there.
But since they don't want to follow her every jump
they make, it takes that memory, that feeling away from
her a little bit more. So she goes and pulls
a gun on President Roslin, who is nappy temporarily staying
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at the admirals quarters.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Their relationship has blossomed here.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
They're looking for a place for her to stay really hard.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Meanwhile, speaking of a place to stay, Baltar Is. Last
time we saw him, he was being chased by an
angry mob because he was like found not guilty, and
everybody fucking hates that for him, except for a group
of really hot women who are all under like one
hundred pounds. They're all like ninety eight pounds.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Maybe there's some young men in there too.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
There are some young men who had their shirts off
and they're like, oh, I better put my shirt on
glass of ear And they have an altar in this
like weird section of the ship that's like a big
room with beds, and the beds are on the floor.
It's like weird, it's giving commune. Oh yeah, it's definitely
giving commune. And he feels the vibe and he's like, oh, okay,
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this is my option. And he even says like these
are the worst people. I would rather have people hate
me then these people love me. And but this is
his only option. At this point. He doesn't have any
other friends. Nobody else is coming over to help him.
It's just him and the number six that lives in
his mind, and she's convincing him to stay so that
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she they so that he can evangelias size Is that right?
Is that a word? Evangelize? Evangelize the idea of one
true God?
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Yeah, which I thought this already is like a monotheistic
cult because they kind of formed around what he was.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
But he never writes about that. He writes about justice
and liberty and politics. We don't know what his religious
beliefs are. I guess so so because I don't think
he's written about that, because he's been writing about like
the human cylon relationship and like, you know, all this
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other stuff.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Yeah, class struggle.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Yeah, so you don't always have to include religion and
class struggle. Some people do, which is fine. I guess
most of the time, it's not into their advantage because
in most religions they require some sort of money to
be part of their religion. You have to pay into it,
and usually they prefer that you pay ten percent of
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your income into said religion. So the lower your income is,
the less you have to contribute, the less impact you
have in their community and their business. So they want
to have high yield patrons so that they can pay
their rent or their bills and all this other shit
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that they pay for. So I think we talk about
class and religions, it prays on the poor and the rich.
But I think religion is a rich man's game for
most people, Like for the churches, at least, they want
rich patrons. I don't know, but I don't think he's
been talking about his religious beliefs until just now and
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he's saying there's only one God and fox her and
it's interesting.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
So he's reluctant at first, and like he feels trapped here.
He's like, when am I getting out? And they're like, bro,
you got nowhere else to go?
Speaker 3 (19:18):
No one wants you, and he kind of finds that out. Well,
So he's there hanging out fucking bitches, you know, living
the good life, when all of a sudden, one of
his followers has a sick kid and she's like, I'm
deciding to take him out of the ICU, out of
the specialized hospital space that he was in, probably getting
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the nutrients he needed to stay alive, and I'm bringing
him back to this cot and Balt sees this kid
and he's like, well, I've been praying for him, and
I don't quite believe him when he says that, but
then they show him praying, and I don't know if
the acting was just offer me or what, but maybe
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it was because he was praying out loud.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Yeah, I mean, but he prays. I believe it's supposed
to be taking as genuine yeah time, because previously he's
like rolling his eyes like oh yeah, Derek, I pray
for him. Yeah, but then when he sees this kid
and he's like, why is this innocent kid dying?
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Well, my lecherous ass continues to live. Yeah, I stumble
backwards into a sex cal and so he like genuinely
speaks to God and they witness this, and then one
of the hoes takes him to the bathroom because in
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this world we share bathrooms regardless of gender, very progressive,
and she shaves his face, and that's when that one
guy comes in with and he comes in with this
other guy and they start beating them up, and he's like,
you let Kevin die. Your police force killed him, which
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again we're all looking for someone to blame, and you know,
instead of holding the police accountable, we blame the president
for the actions of our shitty police force. Seems fair.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
So this is where we see Baltar claiming that he
is ready to die.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
In order for one innocent life to survive.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Yeah, so he you know, he says he doesn't mean it,
that he's willing to trade his life for this kid.
But then the woman that escorted him was able to
break free and save them.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
When they get back into this it's a little bloodthirsty. Yeah,
Like they kind of glossed over that, and he kind
of said it. He's like, maybe not so much smitey
next time, but that bitch wanted to kill motherfuckers. And
she's like, God gave me the strength to murder them
and smite them.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Yeah. I wasn't sure because it was like off screen,
I'm like, is she bashing his head in right now
or just like.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
I think she was. And I think he stopped her
just in time to like let him live but have
a disfigured face, because he said, we don't want murder charges.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
So but anyway, they get back and she's like high
off the adrenaline and he's bleeding because they cut his
throat and he lies and says that he cut himself shaving,
and they're like, well, you have to see the little
Derek or whatever his name is. And little Derek's feeling better.
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And I wish they would have gotten a child actor
with a little more pizzazz, a little more presence, because
that kid was just so wooden.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
I'm just sitting here now, even when he was sick,
he was just like laying there really still.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
I would have liked the little like, uh, I don't
feel good, Mobby, you know, shit like that. Give me
a little And maybe I don't know, maybe the writers
or the people on set or the director were seeing
a sick kid, but that's never the act. They complain
a lot. That kid wasn't complaining enough to.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Be No, let's cast the quietest kid that can hold still.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Yeah, I guess that's important for production. But and then
like another thing that I was missing from that was
the connection between the mom and the son. There was
no chemistry there. That didn't feel like she said she
cared about him, but it didn't show it, like hold him,
take care of him, brush his hair back, you know,
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get him a little washcloth because he looks sweaty as
hell something.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
She's like, No, I put him over there.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Yeah, he's over there across the room. I'm gonna go
now and let you have sex with the other cult mates.
But it was weird. I'm just I'm interested to see
where this cult goes and how it affects Baltar because
he is a man of sign and logic and this
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is a left turn for somebody of that, like with
that kind of demeanor and that kind of background.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Yeah, I was a little confused, like where everybody went,
because it was like those two women were going to
go visit the child in sick bay and that left
him with one woman. People.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Maybe it was like the one hour at the bathrooms
where nobody was there, so they had a time to
shower and like eat and stuff.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Maybe I don't know, or do they have jobs. I
feel like they just are people that are being held
on the ship because they have nowhere else.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Yeah, or maybe they're like I don't know, the military wives.
They don't have any kids or anything else, and their
husbands are always off viping, so they're like, well, I'm
just going to join this goal because you know, military
wives are not specifically military wives, but a lot of
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stay at home moms kind of buy into the MLMs.
Maybe this is like the space version of an MLM
where instead of selling leggings, they're like in a cult
with guyas Baltar. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
So that's that's Baltar's journey. See there's anything else we
didn't talk about we have. I mean, in the beginning,
we have that big battle sequence and Andrews gets up
in his viper for I leave. It's his first battle ever.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Right, he's a nugget.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
But when he comes face to face with the raider,
he does not shoot it. I think he says later
he had his safeties on, but the raider scans him
and it like scans his eyeball right, and in some
sort of signal, and.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Then he just turns around the leaves yep. I wonder
if that's going to be relevant for later.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
All the cylons pack it in and take.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Off some sort of signal.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
So that happened. And also Colonel Tye has this hallucination
in the CIC that he fires upon a Dama.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
I thought that was real. I thought that was fucking
real because that's happened before. And I was like, holy shit,
they fucking did it. I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
It was a cool shot to the camera shot, the
way it swung around him to reveal Damas still standing
there yelling at him.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Yeah, Colonel ty wake the fuck up. We need every
ship out there. And even what's her face, Kelly, what's
her name?
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Tory?
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Tory knew it was close, was having moments where she
was spacing out, like reconnecting. I wish they would show
more of her what she does for the President and stuff,
but some man centric show. The only chick that gets
their time as Starbuck then the President. She was in
bed the whole time, she was taking a nap. That
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was like her main thing. She was going around it
trying to imprison people.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Yes, okay, so she does best, right.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
So throw them out the air lock. She's looking. We
shouldn't just throw her out the airlock.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Yeah, any other thoughts on the episode.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Um No, I think we covered it. I'm excited to
see what Starbuck is going to do now that she
has the President's like on wavering attention, and I wonder
what kind of consequences this will bring to her, if.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Any consequences for Starbuck, Dama's favorite.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Child, astoral queen. Who was the standout character in the episode?
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Who was a standout character in the episode?
Speaker 2 (27:32):
That's a good question. Let's see who did what? Anders
is the reason they weren't all destroyed, although that was
more happenstance.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Yeah, he didn't really control that. He didn't choose to
do that.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Starbuck is not being believed by anyone classic woman. And
then Baltar is the leader of sucks cult. Yeah, which
again I feel like that just happened to him. He
didn't organize any of that, right.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
Well, I think my astro queen is Kata Data because
he was such a little bitch to Starbuck and it
was just like a short interaction, but he stole that.
He stole that scene. He's like, I don't have to
do anything. I don't believe you. This gassest planet with
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rings on it, I don't believe you. It's called Saturn Data.
Who do you choose?
Speaker 2 (28:28):
I'm having trouble landing on anyone. I think I want
to pick Starbuck.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
That's a safe choice. It is, there's nothing wrong with
the safe choice.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Yeah, so it's I want to pick Starbuck just for
holding on to what she believes is the truth, even
when everyone thinks she's a big phony. So Gata and Starbuck,
you'll have to appear on stage together to receive your award.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Get over your differences.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
So that is the end of the main part of
the episode. We will soon be moving into spoiler territory
if we have anything, We're gonna slowly be running out
of things to talk about in the spoiler section because we.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Keep getting closer and closer to the end.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Yeah, every time we want to talk about the final
four cylons. I'm like, well, we can't do that until spoilers,
but no, now we can. Yeah, So if you don't
want to be spoiled, this is time to exit the
podcast and we will be back to cover the next episode,
which is called six of one to sound like a
math episode for real. Fuck that. Let's put ov Stereo
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Stylus in this group.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Race for impact. Spoilers ahead. If you haven't seen the
whole series, now is the time to say goodbye. Remember
you can contact us at spacingoutpod at gmail dot com,
find us on Facebook and Twitter, share your thoughts and
be a part of the discussion spoilers In five four
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three two one.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Do you have anything to bring up for spoilers?
Speaker 3 (30:02):
So when you find out that Kara's Earth is like
a hellscape, yes.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Well yeah, I mean I mean yes, they go to
what they've been referring to as Earth this whole time,
and it is like nuclear wasteland. But those pictures she has,
I feel like those are our Earth of Saturn and everything.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
So it's a misdirect.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
So the hostility that we were picking up on between
Gata and Starbuck, that will continue and play a major
role with like Gata's character and where he goes. They're
going to end up on a ship together because basically
what Roslin or Odama whoever does is give Starbuck her
own crew to go off and try to look for
and so those tensions stay high and leads to Gayda's demise.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Ah, he dies, he does. Why does it always happen
to the gay characters. It's like, you can't be like
fucking gay? And why talk about an American nightmare? That's
so real? Right now? Jesus saying that's the big spoiler
for me. I forgot that Data dies.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
He also does some singing.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Is he good at singing?
Speaker 2 (31:11):
I think so. Yeah. So that's the big thing coming
up is Starbuck and some of the characters go off
on their own, and I feel like that shit was
like really sweaty. I don't know why. That's what I
remember is everyone's really sweaty.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
It's like global warming.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
All right, you can take this ship, but it doesn't
have air conditioning.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
And then another spoiler I think is that Baltar is
like gonna go full cult leader and start wearing linen
pants and everything.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Yeah, he goes all in, which is.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Sad because I like to see him in his little
lab coat. Do they become gorilla fighters? Like, do they
start doing things? Or am I just thinking of something else?
Speaker 2 (31:48):
I don't think so. They're peaceful, I believe so. My
memory could be wrong. I just don't remember them taking
any sort of action. He does have at least like
one member among them. That's like a step Dick doesn't
really believe and thinks Baltar's full of shit. Tori is
going to hang out with them for a while. But yeah,
now I'm just rattling off random things that happened.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
Okay, all right, Well that was a show.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
That was a show, and we'll see you next time
for six of one and.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
We'll figure out what the fuck that is. Hopefully.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
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Galactica season four, episode two, six of one. We hope
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Welcome to Spacing Out with BB and Jason this week
covering Battlestar Galacticas season four episode one, He That believeth
In Me?
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Ye, welcome back, I BB and Jason, and this is
spacing Out where today we will be discussing Battlestar Galactica.
If you are new to the show, we will have
a spoiler section at the end of the podcast where
we're free to discuss future events in the show, but
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otherwise we won't be spoiling anything past this episode, which
is Battlestar Galactica, season four, episode one, He That believeth
In Me? And that's one of to note that some
places you look, you might see this listed as episode three,
and that's because sometimes they consider the movie Razor to
be episodes one and two of the season. But just
want to clear that up and from here fourth I'm
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going to refer to this as episode one, next one
in episode two, and so forth. This aired on April fourth,
two thousand and eight. That is over a year since
the season three finale, which was in March of two
thousand and seven. There was the movie Razor in between
there in November two thousand and seven, but it's been
quite a while since that cliffhanger was written by Bradley
Thompson and David Weddell, directed by Michael Rimer. The survivor
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count was thirty nine thousand, six hundred and ninety eight.
In this episode, the fleet survives a seemingly hopeless battle.
After the Cylon suddenly retreat, Baltar finds a home amongst
the cult of its followers. Starbuck has mysteriously returned, claiming
to know the way to Earth, but she has thought
to be a Cylon.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Vibe check. Did we like the episode overall? How does
it stand the test of time? All?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Right? Bb, here we are finally in the final season.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
This is the final season?
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Yep? Oh shit, we are? We're in it now? Is
I mean, it's a long season. It's twenty episode, so
we're not.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Like, only shit, twenty episode.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
We're not right up at the end.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
But this is the beginning of the end.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
So what do you want me to say about it?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
How do you feel about it? How much you like it?
Speaker 3 (02:09):
I like this episode a little bit, like I was
more liking the episode than disliking it, because it's like
following up this huge discovery that we have four Cylons
on this ship in very key roles, and we get
to see how they're going to react and what their
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how their knowledge of who they really are affects them,
and the relationships with other crew members. Very interesting, very spicy.
And then it's also nice to see Kiara again, especially
after we thought we'd lost her. Everybody was like mourning her,
and she's so sad that Katie Sakoff had to go
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or whatever her name is. Yeah, and then she's back
all of a sudden, and it's like, who the fuck
are you you? And so that's I like that kind.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Of intrigue and story doesn't add up.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Yeah, who the fuck or why is your ship so pristine?
And it's like putting the Cylons in a very interesting position,
like the newly discovered Sylons, because they know who they are.
And then all of a sudden, there's somebody who's like
being accused of being a silent. They're like there's no way,
like they know the truth, but they they're like leading
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investigations and part of the conversation to like do we
trust this person or not?
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Yeah, well they don't know. Also, like they know there's
one more, one more Sylon, and she wasn't on board
when they were hearing you know, Jimi Hendrix.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
So so I like this episode. It's a good first
episode to kind of set things up Baltar and his
cult following. That's going to be like interesting to see
how like you can see like part of him is
like not taking it seriously, but then another part of
him is really indoctrinating into this belief of like take
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my life please.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Yeah, it's taking him a moment to kind of accept
where he is and what his new role is.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Yeah, so I'm liking it. It's interesting. I'm excited. Twenty episodes.
I feel like they could have cut that shorter.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Yeah. I also like this episode.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
No surprise, Jason's a Battlestar Galactica fan.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
But it is a good opening to the season. It's
you know, that was one of the better battle sequences
that we opened the show with. Yeah, it's just like
really chaotic. There's a lot of different threads going on
with the Cylon characters now revealed and their role in
this battle and struggling with who they are in the
midst of this chaos. And then yeah, I mean we're
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just we're setting up kind of what this season's going
to be about. In a lot of ways, the show
is posing some questions that I think we're going to
be exploring throughout the season.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Yeah. Yeah, I think it's a good opening to like
where we're at after the discovery and kind of setting
things up for future episodes. All right, and the fucking
cliffhanger start. That cliffhanger is like, God, damn, I think
I like episodes with cliffhangers, Like.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
We waited so long to get the resolution to one
cliffhanger only to be met with another.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Trivia time, what bacs could we uncover for he that
believeth in me, let's.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Do some trivia. So. In June two thousand and seven,
the Sci Fi Channel announced that season four would be
the final season the Battlestar Galactica. The episode order was
increased from the originally announced thirteen episodes to twenty two episodes. Again,
that twenty two includes two episodes making a razor, which should.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Have been added like a season ago.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Yeah. Well, semantics, the pre cap sequence that starts almost
every episode. That's the thing. That's what says the cylons
were created by man, etc. Et cetera. No longer reads
and they have a plan. The new text reads, twelve
Cylon models seven are known for live in secret. One
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will be revealed because they no longer have a plan.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Some could a never had a planned.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
The visual effects team for the episode won the Primetime
Emmy Award for Outstanding Special Visual Effects.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
On this episode particular, or was it for the whole season?
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Is for this episode? So I mean that that battle
sequence had some really cool shots.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Yeah, I was so confused. I was like, where are
they shooting from? What is going on? I felt like
I'm monitors, and I'm like, I don't know what to do.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Even they damaged that the ship that has like the ring, the.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
One that looks a little like the Deep Space nine.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Yeah, kind of a little it gives.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Yeah, Yeah, there was a big explosion there.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
The title appears to be adapted from the Bible verse.
John three sixteen.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
What is that Bible horse? Because I've seen stickers for
it everywhere.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
That is the so God so loved the world that
he sent his only begotten son, that whoever believes in
him shall not perish but have everlasting life.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
You just came off off the top of the noggin
with that.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
That's a very famous verse.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Everybody likes that verse. But if you're Christian, I like
the Old Testament where he's like, I'm gonna burn your
village and turn your wife into a saul pillar. That's
what I like the Old Testament, and God is like
more vengeful but liter Okay.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Well yeah, so yeah, there's some John.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Three sixteen is about loving Jesus and accepting him in
your heart.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Yeah, and there's a lot of religious elements in this
and just you know, believing or not in Starbucks story,
right right, so yeah, so it's about faith really. Actor
Ryan Robbins, he is a guy who originally portrayed the
Armissans officer in the mini series. That's the first sequence
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in the mini series where that guy. That is when
now that old age makeup is waiting at that station
and Number six comes in for the first time kisses
him and it blows up. You remember this? You're looking
at me blankly. What a mini series? The very first
shot in the mini series?
Speaker 3 (08:34):
What was the mini series? Was that online?
Speaker 2 (08:40):
No, the mini series is the pilot of the whole show.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Oh, I cannot remember that far back. The only kiss
and I remember is when Baltar makes out with the blonde,
and then sometimes when Starbuck makes out with random dudes
or her husband, that's it. I don't remember anybody kissing
somebody with old makeup.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Well, it happens. It happened, but because that actor was
in the old age makeup. He later returned to play
another role, which is Connor, and in season three he
was part of the tribunal group that was after the occupation.
They were finding the collaborators and executing them. Okay, he
was very angry about his son being killed, and so
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he's that's Connor that shows up in the bathroom to
attack Baltar. Oh but anyway, so he played both those characters.
He's the only actor who has played multiple characters in
the show, except the Cylons obviously do that.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
But he's the only non Sylent.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Okay, And he'll go on to have a recurring role
in Caprica as well as a different character.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
And we are not going to watch that.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
We might watch that, We might watch that, oh, okay,
not making any statements one way or another. A scene
cut from the battle sequence showed Samuel Anders aiming his
Viper's guns at Celix's ship while struggling with his Sylon
and another end or scene that was focused on cutting
the cast off of his leg. Due to the absence
of his leg injury that he had in the previous season,
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It's just kind of.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Gone, that's Cylon healing man.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Yep, and that's it for Trivia.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Deep Space Dive. Let's break down some of our thoughts
on the episode. You can share your thoughts with us
through email, Facebook, or Twitter. We may use your comments
on an upcoming episode.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
He that believe it in me?
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Who is me?
Speaker 2 (10:35):
That's the real.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Question, right because we got Starbuck and then we got Baltar,
both having issues with believing Do you think it's Starbuck?
After I saw her kicking ass, I'm like, that's Starbucks.
They can't hold her. It was funny that they had
a group of maybe like what two or three people
like following her around. They didn't even handcover her noot,
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just walking around.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
No worries. Well, the president wants her behind bars.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Right, But Adama any Adama is like, no, not Starbuck.
We like her. And they have like a whole conversation
about like what if that was my brother on that
plane and he came back out of nowhere? Do you
believe that you would treat him different, and that was
like a valid question.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Yeah. I think that's one of the questions that the
show was asking, is like does it matter if you're
technically a cylon? If like what makes a person Like
that's what it's.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Thinking, like what And I think Anders is like really
struggling with that, especially like when he's in the middle
of a battlefield and then when he comes back and
talks to his wife, He's like, you would know, like
he's talking from experience, and her response is like, well,
you're better than me, because if I knew you were
a sylon, I'd fucking shoot you in the face. And
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I'm like that's a classic Starbuck response, But that's not
what he needs to hear right now.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Who's like, Okay, maybe I won't be too open with you.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Yeah yeah, but like lets him.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Know, I want to go hang out with Colonel Tye
and the others.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
The weirdest group of people to hang out in the
whole ship, the fucking mechanic, the press secretary, the nugget,
and the right hand man to the colonel or whatever,
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the Colonel Tye, he's a colonel. The weirdest group of
people to hang out and be like We're just gonna
sit here in this room, not really talk to each other,
but just.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Hang out and sit on the four different sides of
the room.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Yeah, contemplating and then not randomly asking do you still
hear that song? No, that's not relevant anymore, not yet.
And meanwhile, Laura Roslin is like going into number six
is Sell and asking her like, hey, who are the
final five? And she can't say who they are because
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she doesn't obviously see them clearly and their risions or whatever,
But she assures Roslin that they are nearby. And I
feel like that's probably like scaring Roslin and making her
think that Kiara is one of them, which she could be,
because we only know who four of them are. There's
one left.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
That we have still no idea. It's ot there.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
It could be anybody. It could be her, it could
be Laura Roslin.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Yeah, And as far as Roslin and everyone else is concerned,
like there's still five cylons that they don't know about,
and so that that paranoia and suspicion and fear is
probably present all the time.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
It gives like red scare kind of vibes, like these
would be people who are a communists, Like how do
you know who's a communist? And pitting people against people.
It's very like nineteen fifties post war America, but it's
also set through the eyes of like the Iraq War
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and this idea of Islamophobia and all these other things
that we were dealing with and what was it, two
thousand and eight, two thousand and seven, So it's like
we're also on the brink of financial institutions collapsing and
different things just not going the right way for a
lot of people, and we don't know who to point
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our fingers to because we I think that's like an
innate human response. If something bad happens, you want somebody
to blame it on, and you want to hold somebody
accountable for bad actions or bad results, and it's just
like who do you trust?
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Very interesting, Yeah, And then we have so we have Roslin,
who is like purely like skeptical. This is definitely like
a Pylon trick, and you know, we need to keep
Starbuck behind bars. We need to you know, like none
of this story adds up.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Gata's with her too, yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
I'm sure a lot of people are. And then the
other side of that is Lee is just like purely
like this is Kara, this is you know, the person
that we all know and love. This is our family,
which leaves the Admiral Dama somewhere in between those like
wrestling with these ideas like, yeah, we can't explain why
your ship has no scratches on it is brand new,
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and we have video footage of yourship blowing.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Up, he said, Do I believe my eyes or my heart?
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Yeah? So Starbuck, who according to her memory, was only
gone a few hours and she went to Earth, took
some photos and is now trying to bring them there.
But since they don't want to follow her every jump
they make, it takes that memory, that feeling away from
her a little bit more. So she goes and pulls
a gun on President Roslin, who is nappy temporarily staying
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at the admirals quarters.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Their relationship has blossomed here.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
They're looking for a place for her to stay really hard.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Meanwhile, speaking of a place to stay, Baltar Is. Last
time we saw him, he was being chased by an
angry mob because he was like found not guilty, and
everybody fucking hates that for him, except for a group
of really hot women who are all under like one
hundred pounds. They're all like ninety eight pounds.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Maybe there's some young men in there too.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
There are some young men who had their shirts off
and they're like, oh, I better put my shirt on
glass of ear And they have an altar in this
like weird section of the ship that's like a big
room with beds, and the beds are on the floor.
It's like weird, it's giving commune. Oh yeah, it's definitely
giving commune. And he feels the vibe and he's like, oh, okay,
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this is my option. And he even says like these
are the worst people. I would rather have people hate
me then these people love me. And but this is
his only option. At this point. He doesn't have any
other friends. Nobody else is coming over to help him.
It's just him and the number six that lives in
his mind, and she's convincing him to stay so that
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she they so that he can evangelias size Is that right?
Is that a word? Evangelize? Evangelize the idea of one
true God?
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Yeah, which I thought this already is like a monotheistic
cult because they kind of formed around what he was.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
But he never writes about that. He writes about justice
and liberty and politics. We don't know what his religious
beliefs are. I guess so so because I don't think
he's written about that, because he's been writing about like
the human cylon relationship and like, you know, all this
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other stuff.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Yeah, class struggle.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Yeah, so you don't always have to include religion and
class struggle. Some people do, which is fine. I guess
most of the time, it's not into their advantage because
in most religions they require some sort of money to
be part of their religion. You have to pay into it,
and usually they prefer that you pay ten percent of
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your income into said religion. So the lower your income is,
the less you have to contribute, the less impact you
have in their community and their business. So they want
to have high yield patrons so that they can pay
their rent or their bills and all this other shit
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that they pay for. So I think we talk about
class and religions, it prays on the poor and the rich.
But I think religion is a rich man's game for
most people, Like for the churches, at least, they want
rich patrons. I don't know, but I don't think he's
been talking about his religious beliefs until just now and
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he's saying there's only one God and fox her and
it's interesting.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
So he's reluctant at first, and like he feels trapped here.
He's like, when am I getting out? And they're like, bro,
you got nowhere else to go?
Speaker 3 (19:18):
No one wants you, and he kind of finds that out. Well,
So he's there hanging out fucking bitches, you know, living
the good life, when all of a sudden, one of
his followers has a sick kid and she's like, I'm
deciding to take him out of the ICU, out of
the specialized hospital space that he was in, probably getting
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the nutrients he needed to stay alive, and I'm bringing
him back to this cot and Balt sees this kid
and he's like, well, I've been praying for him, and
I don't quite believe him when he says that, but
then they show him praying, and I don't know if
the acting was just offer me or what, but maybe
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it was because he was praying out loud.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Yeah, I mean, but he prays. I believe it's supposed
to be taking as genuine yeah time, because previously he's
like rolling his eyes like oh yeah, Derek, I pray
for him. Yeah, but then when he sees this kid
and he's like, why is this innocent kid dying?
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Well, my lecherous ass continues to live. Yeah, I stumble
backwards into a sex cal and so he like genuinely
speaks to God and they witness this, and then one
of the hoes takes him to the bathroom because in
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this world we share bathrooms regardless of gender, very progressive,
and she shaves his face, and that's when that one
guy comes in with and he comes in with this
other guy and they start beating them up, and he's like,
you let Kevin die. Your police force killed him, which
(21:03):
again we're all looking for someone to blame, and you know,
instead of holding the police accountable, we blame the president
for the actions of our shitty police force. Seems fair.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
So this is where we see Baltar claiming that he
is ready to die.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
In order for one innocent life to survive.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Yeah, so he you know, he says he doesn't mean it,
that he's willing to trade his life for this kid.
But then the woman that escorted him was able to
break free and save them.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
When they get back into this it's a little bloodthirsty. Yeah,
Like they kind of glossed over that, and he kind
of said it. He's like, maybe not so much smitey
next time, but that bitch wanted to kill motherfuckers. And
she's like, God gave me the strength to murder them
and smite them.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Yeah. I wasn't sure because it was like off screen,
I'm like, is she bashing his head in right now
or just like.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
I think she was. And I think he stopped her
just in time to like let him live but have
a disfigured face, because he said, we don't want murder charges.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
So but anyway, they get back and she's like high
off the adrenaline and he's bleeding because they cut his
throat and he lies and says that he cut himself shaving,
and they're like, well, you have to see the little
Derek or whatever his name is. And little Derek's feeling better.
(22:28):
And I wish they would have gotten a child actor
with a little more pizzazz, a little more presence, because
that kid was just so wooden.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
I'm just sitting here now, even when he was sick,
he was just like laying there really still.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
I would have liked the little like, uh, I don't
feel good, Mobby, you know, shit like that. Give me
a little And maybe I don't know, maybe the writers
or the people on set or the director were seeing
a sick kid, but that's never the act. They complain
a lot. That kid wasn't complaining enough to.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Be No, let's cast the quietest kid that can hold still.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Yeah, I guess that's important for production. But and then
like another thing that I was missing from that was
the connection between the mom and the son. There was
no chemistry there. That didn't feel like she said she
cared about him, but it didn't show it, like hold him,
take care of him, brush his hair back, you know,
(23:33):
get him a little washcloth because he looks sweaty as
hell something.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
She's like, No, I put him over there.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Yeah, he's over there across the room. I'm gonna go
now and let you have sex with the other cult mates.
But it was weird. I'm just I'm interested to see
where this cult goes and how it affects Baltar because
he is a man of sign and logic and this
(24:02):
is a left turn for somebody of that, like with
that kind of demeanor and that kind of background.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Yeah, I was a little confused, like where everybody went,
because it was like those two women were going to
go visit the child in sick bay and that left
him with one woman. People.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Maybe it was like the one hour at the bathrooms
where nobody was there, so they had a time to
shower and like eat and stuff.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Maybe I don't know, or do they have jobs. I
feel like they just are people that are being held
on the ship because they have nowhere else.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Yeah, or maybe they're like I don't know, the military wives.
They don't have any kids or anything else, and their
husbands are always off viping, so they're like, well, I'm
just going to join this goal because you know, military
wives are not specifically military wives, but a lot of
(24:57):
stay at home moms kind of buy into the MLMs.
Maybe this is like the space version of an MLM
where instead of selling leggings, they're like in a cult
with guyas Baltar. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
So that's that's Baltar's journey. See there's anything else we
didn't talk about we have. I mean, in the beginning,
we have that big battle sequence and Andrews gets up
in his viper for I leave. It's his first battle ever.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Right, he's a nugget.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
But when he comes face to face with the raider,
he does not shoot it. I think he says later
he had his safeties on, but the raider scans him
and it like scans his eyeball right, and in some
sort of signal, and.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Then he just turns around the leaves yep. I wonder
if that's going to be relevant for later.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
All the cylons pack it in and take.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Off some sort of signal.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
So that happened. And also Colonel Tye has this hallucination
in the CIC that he fires upon a Dama.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
I thought that was real. I thought that was fucking
real because that's happened before. And I was like, holy shit,
they fucking did it. I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
It was a cool shot to the camera shot, the
way it swung around him to reveal Damas still standing
there yelling at him.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Yeah, Colonel ty wake the fuck up. We need every
ship out there. And even what's her face, Kelly, what's
her name?
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Tory?
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Tory knew it was close, was having moments where she
was spacing out, like reconnecting. I wish they would show
more of her what she does for the President and stuff,
but some man centric show. The only chick that gets
their time as Starbuck then the President. She was in
bed the whole time, she was taking a nap. That
(26:48):
was like her main thing. She was going around it
trying to imprison people.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Yes, okay, so she does best, right.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
So throw them out the air lock. She's looking. We
shouldn't just throw her out the airlock.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Yeah, any other thoughts on the episode.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Um No, I think we covered it. I'm excited to
see what Starbuck is going to do now that she
has the President's like on wavering attention, and I wonder
what kind of consequences this will bring to her, if.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Any consequences for Starbuck, Dama's favorite.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Child, astoral queen. Who was the standout character in the episode?
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Who was a standout character in the episode?
Speaker 2 (27:32):
That's a good question. Let's see who did what? Anders
is the reason they weren't all destroyed, although that was
more happenstance.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Yeah, he didn't really control that. He didn't choose to
do that.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Starbuck is not being believed by anyone classic woman. And
then Baltar is the leader of sucks cult. Yeah, which
again I feel like that just happened to him. He
didn't organize any of that, right.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
Well, I think my astro queen is Kata Data because
he was such a little bitch to Starbuck and it
was just like a short interaction, but he stole that.
He stole that scene. He's like, I don't have to
do anything. I don't believe you. This gassest planet with
(28:22):
rings on it, I don't believe you. It's called Saturn Data.
Who do you choose?
Speaker 2 (28:28):
I'm having trouble landing on anyone. I think I want
to pick Starbuck.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
That's a safe choice. It is, there's nothing wrong with
the safe choice.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Yeah, so it's I want to pick Starbuck just for
holding on to what she believes is the truth, even
when everyone thinks she's a big phony. So Gata and Starbuck,
you'll have to appear on stage together to receive your award.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Get over your differences.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
So that is the end of the main part of
the episode. We will soon be moving into spoiler territory
if we have anything, We're gonna slowly be running out
of things to talk about in the spoiler section because we.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Keep getting closer and closer to the end.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Yeah, every time we want to talk about the final
four cylons. I'm like, well, we can't do that until spoilers,
but no, now we can. Yeah, So if you don't
want to be spoiled, this is time to exit the
podcast and we will be back to cover the next episode,
which is called six of one to sound like a
math episode for real. Fuck that. Let's put ov Stereo
(29:32):
Stylus in this group.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Race for impact. Spoilers ahead. If you haven't seen the
whole series, now is the time to say goodbye. Remember
you can contact us at spacingoutpod at gmail dot com,
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be a part of the discussion spoilers In five four
(29:58):
three two one.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Do you have anything to bring up for spoilers?
Speaker 3 (30:02):
So when you find out that Kara's Earth is like
a hellscape, yes.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Well yeah, I mean I mean yes, they go to
what they've been referring to as Earth this whole time,
and it is like nuclear wasteland. But those pictures she has,
I feel like those are our Earth of Saturn and everything.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
So it's a misdirect.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
So the hostility that we were picking up on between
Gata and Starbuck, that will continue and play a major
role with like Gata's character and where he goes. They're
going to end up on a ship together because basically
what Roslin or Odama whoever does is give Starbuck her
own crew to go off and try to look for
and so those tensions stay high and leads to Gayda's demise.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Ah, he dies, he does. Why does it always happen
to the gay characters. It's like, you can't be like
fucking gay? And why talk about an American nightmare? That's
so real? Right now? Jesus saying that's the big spoiler
for me. I forgot that Data dies.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
He also does some singing.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Is he good at singing?
Speaker 2 (31:11):
I think so. Yeah. So that's the big thing coming
up is Starbuck and some of the characters go off
on their own, and I feel like that shit was
like really sweaty. I don't know why. That's what I
remember is everyone's really sweaty.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
It's like global warming.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
All right, you can take this ship, but it doesn't
have air conditioning.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
And then another spoiler I think is that Baltar is
like gonna go full cult leader and start wearing linen
pants and everything.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Yeah, he goes all in, which is.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Sad because I like to see him in his little
lab coat. Do they become gorilla fighters? Like, do they
start doing things? Or am I just thinking of something else?
Speaker 2 (31:48):
I don't think so. They're peaceful, I believe so. My
memory could be wrong. I just don't remember them taking
any sort of action. He does have at least like
one member among them. That's like a step Dick doesn't
really believe and thinks Baltar's full of shit. Tori is
going to hang out with them for a while. But yeah,
now I'm just rattling off random things that happened.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
Okay, all right, Well that was a show.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
That was a show, and we'll see you next time
for six of one and.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
We'll figure out what the fuck that is. Hopefully.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
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