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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Spacing Out with BB and Jason this week
covering Battlestar Galactica Season four, episode eighteen, Island In a
Stream of Stars.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Welcome back on BBE and I'm Jason and this is
Spacing Out or today we will be discussing Battlestar Galactica.
If you're new here, welcome, and you should know we're
probably going to do a spoiler section at the end
of the podcast where we will discuss things that happen
in the finale because that's the only episode left. But
otherwise we won't be spoiling anything past this episode, which
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is Battlestar Galactica Season four, episode eighteen, Islanded in a
Stream of Stars, and we happen to watch the extended
cut of the episode, which is about twenty minutes longer,
so I will go into what was different in the
two versions here in a moment, you just looked at
me like you had no idea I watching it minute
we watched in our episode.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
No wonder. I was like, God, damn, this has tanned forever.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
This originally aired on March six, two thousand and nine.
Written by Michael Taylor, directed by Edward James. Almost you
may have heard of him. The survivor count was thirty
nine thousand, five and twenty one, which is down thirty
five from last time. In this episode, the new Quorum
motions to abandon and strip Galactica of her parts when
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it becomes clear the ship is damaged beyond her pair,
and the Final Five argue with the Dama about sending
a rescue mission for Hara. Meanwhile, Starbuck turns the baal
Tard to determine the truth about her resurrection. Boomer returns
Cavil with Hara, the Cylon's experiment with anders By turning
him into a hybrid, and a devastated Helo begs of
Dama's permission to find Hara on his own.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Five check did we like the episode overall? How does
it stand the test of time?
Speaker 3 (01:57):
All?
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Right? Ebee? Here we are edging up on the finale?
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Oh yeah, we love to edge here. I don't know
what I was saying, So.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
How well did this episode accomplish that for you?
Speaker 3 (02:15):
I think it did good with like kind of setting
things up wherever we're going, Like, it's kind of weird
that it feels like Glactica's in the rear view mirror soon.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Yeah, so it is really like building that sense of finality.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Like, so I'm just I'm interested to see what's going
to happen next. It wasn't like my favorite episode. It
wasn't great. There were moments that I really enjoyed, So
I think it's a good episode. It's not great.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Yeah, I thought it was a pretty solid episode. Like
it was all kind of like moving in dramatic like
nothing felt like filler. It all felt intentional, perhaps a
little slow, but not necessarily in a bad way, Like
there's a lot of emotions being processed, and in a
way it feels like we're moving forward. And yeah, like
if you don't know what's coming in the finale, I
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think it still feels like we're moving pieces around and
getting things in place for what's to come.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Yeah, I can't remember what's in the finale, so I
feel like, yeah, things are going in a direction that
is very unsure, and I'm very interested to see what's
in store for the finale. So we're breaking that up
into two episodes.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Yes, So the finale exists in many different forms. The
way it originally aired was Part one aired on one week,
and then parts two and three aired together on the
second week, and that's how we're going to cover it.
You can find all three episodes together and one cut
and then like an extended cut on the DVD and
Blu ray releases, and if you're watching on streaming it
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on Peacock right now. Who knows where it'll be in
the future, but I believe they have it cut into
three separate episodes. So we will start with part one
and then we'll do parts two and three.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Trivia time. What facts could we uncover for Island in
a stream of stars?
Speaker 2 (04:10):
So the recap at the beginning of the episode includes
a scene that did not actually appear in any previous
episode where Roslin encourages Admiral Dama to abandon the Galactica.
They love sneaking in those scenes into the recap and
making you think you saw something you did yeah, show
it's gaslighting us. Frank Darrebant, who was known for directing
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The Shawshank Redemption The Green Mile. He later went on
to do The Start The Walking Dead. He was a
big fan of the series and he was originally slated
to direct this episode. We had to withdraw due to
scheduling conflicts.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Oh Edward James almost stood up like I'll do it.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Yes, cool, and Edward James almost will also come back
to direct the movie The Plan, so he still.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Got one more correct one more yep a.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Dama and I refer to the Galactica as the Grand
Old Lady, which is also the nickname of a Royal
Navy battleship that served in both World Wars, accumulating more
battle honors than any other ship in the world. Shots
of Baltar working in the lab are taken from season
one and combined with close up inserts, so the decisions
that include those scenes occurred after filming had wrapped, so
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instead of getting him back in there, they just used
some shots where you couldn't really see his hair length
and stuff so you could match it.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
He's doing science generally.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Just doing science, and lots.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Of shot to him from earlier doing science.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah, remember when he used to do science? All right?
So the extended version contains extra scenes and extended scenes
of almost twenty minutes longer. So there's a longer sequence
of the decompression scene where number six gets ejected in
the space.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Oh so are she saving the assholes live?
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Yeah, there's more of Baltar giving his address on the Wireless.
There's a scene of Tyrol in the brig having confessed
to his actions in the previous app and then Athena
visits Teil on the brig. She tells him that it's
ironic how Boomer post as Athena to seduce Helo, since
originally Athena posts as Boomer to do the same thing.
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And she's also said she's never going to forgive him
for letting Boomer escape. And then there's a scene where
Starbuck and Helo get drunk at Joe's bar together and
they ruminate on her destiny as the harbinger of death,
especially since she already led them to Earth. Then Helo
gets mad at her for wallowing and her self pity
when his daughter is missing.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Yeah, you're here, she's not.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
And then some of the key events are presented in
a different order. So there's Boomer delivering Hara the cavil
Adama and Tie toasting to the Galactica, the evacuations of
the civilians from Galactica, and Starbuck visiting Anders. All those
happen in a different order and the two cuts, but
they're all both in there, so that's the difference. I
do think that those are good scenes, the ones that
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got cut with Chief in the brig because we were
talking about that last time as well, like what's going
to happen to him? Are they going to catch him?
Apparently he confessed.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Yeah, he would have gotten away with it Scott free
otherwise yep.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
And then Starbuck and Heelo. I like they're scene too.
I think they're old friends and it's good to see them.
Their storylines don't always overlap. I also have a section
of Okay Boomer for trivia.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Okay Boomer, let's look at any connection to other Battlestar
Galactica series.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
So when Boomer arrives at the colony, we see Cylon
raiders that are very similar similar to the raiders from
the original series, as well as some other raider models
that are unfamiliar to any previous design. And of course
it's been established already in this reimagined series that the
Cylons from the first Cylon War resemble the Cylons from
the original series, so that's why we see them all there.
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And then at the funeral, the Cylons display the Infinity
symbol or their monotheistic religion, and the symbols also present
in the show Kaprica. It looks like I stopped writing
this note in the middle of the since so I
don't know the end of this. The symbol is in
the show Caprica, and if I can remember, since I
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didn't write it down, it's kind of it represents the
monotheistic religion, which is kind.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Of a Abrahammick.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Yeah, well it's like a minority kind of almost like
terrorist type group. I think it's more complicated than that.
But yes, so we'll just have to wait till we
cover Kaprica someday.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
You think we will. I think we will. Thought it
was a less exciting show.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yeah, that's why I think like we might not do
every single episode, but maybe breaking in the chunks okay,
so that we don't have to record about every episode.
We don't find it that enthralling, but I think it
will still be interesting to rewatch, for me to rewatch,
for you to watch.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
I've never seen it. Yeah, But all.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Right, moving on.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Deep space dive, let's break down some of our thoughts
on the episode. You can share your thoughts with us
through email or social media. We may use your comments
on an upcoming episode.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
So we start this episode with a lot of construction
going on in Galactica.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
There's some conflict between the humans and the cylons working
because apparently it's not taking the way they hoped, and
Boomer really fucked up their situation on her way out,
like a weak ship made weaker with her blasting out
of there. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
And then so meanwhile, while they're doing all this work,
Roslin and Adama and a whole group of them, we're
having like a strategy meeting about what to do about
Hara and what's what do they think happened to her?
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Where?
Speaker 2 (09:44):
What's this colony they're talking about? And the whole time
in the background is like all this like construction banging
and like the lights are flickering and it's so obnoxious.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
I feel like that made it feel real though, Yeah,
like it's their new reality that this ship is under
construction and always getting fixed. And then they come to
find out that it's because of Onders. What do you
mean he's been turning off the hot water. That's why
he lets Kara take her forty five minute showers so long.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Right, like redirecting hot water.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Yeah, he's just been you know, messing around. Yeah, So
they decide to send one recon to try to figure
out where the fuck is going on because apparently Cavel
can only be in this one location with the cylons.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Yeah, so we've we've never heard of this colony before,
but apparently it's like their big stronghold. I don't remember
if they said much else about it.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
They didn't say too much. They said it was like
their place of origin or something like that.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Yeah, so yeah, I mean, Ellen is really concerned about
the whole hair situation.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
After she caused a fucking miscarriage. Yeah, yeah, they had
an out. They could have just been like fuck Harrah,
but no, you had to kill the only other Cylon
baby around with your jealousy and emotion. Whooped dee doo.
Now you care huh.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Meanwhile, Colonel Tye is like, I only care about it Dama.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
And this ship, which we've known.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Yeah, she already proved that last time.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Yeah, we already knew. And then he was like, these
people are my family. I've fought with them, They're the
only ones I care about. I don't know this little girl.
I don't know you people. And she's like, oh, but Saul,
you've had eight thousand children woo, And I'm like, I
don't think you get it. Ellen. Helen Ellen Ellen Ellen
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speaking of kids, like, so the Chief just like completely
give up baby Nikki to hot Dog. I think it's
hot Dogs week. Well, no Chief is in jail. Oh yeah,
so automatically Custody goes to the next of kin, actually
his real father.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
So yeah, okay, it just seems like Nicki's not a
concern of his anymore.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
I don't think Nicki's ever been a real concern because
he's always been a cry baby bitch. I mean, maybe that's.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Why hot Dog looks so sleep deprived.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Hot Dog looks like he's not having a good time
at all. I was thinking, I wonder how many ex
girlfriends he ran into that day when during the evacuation,
which one of them gave him the itchy dick or whatever.
I think because his dad directed the show, we had
more hot Dog than was necessary, Like we had hot
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Dog when it wasn't really needed.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Another thing that I thought was interesting now that I
think about the director was the scene with Adama and.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
The paint right right, So he would have directed himself
in all that.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Yeah. Yeah, And that scene reminded me of Kara when
she was painting back on Caprica in her apartment in
like that very expressive, abstract way, but he just had
that boring ass white paint and he was covered in it.
I hated that he really got into it. I'm like
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that hair, that hair is going to have pain in it.
That wardrobe, He's like, I'm not going to wear this
one anymore, I hope like and Laura even said you
look nice today, and he's like, thanks, it's for a funeral.
And he ruined his funeral clothes. And you know, they're
not going to have more places where he can get
that clean professionally. So I was distraught when I saw
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that scene. And I used to work in the paint department,
and I know how hard it is to clean up paint.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
I feel like there's got to be like people that
are only doing laundry Ngalactica and they're going to get
that in the laundry basket and be like.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
What the hell, what fresh hell is this?
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Also in that scene, like he throws the paint around,
he slides down the wall, and they do this thing
where like they overlay a shot of the Galactica like
on top of him, just to make sure we know
what he's thinking about. Like I think we get it.
I think we can tell what he's going through here.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Yeah, no, you don't get it because he's a complicated man.
But yeah, I thought it was like At first, I
was like, oh, man, he's never painted a day in
his life. When he picked up that paint brush and
just slopped on the paint, and I'm like, you should
be using a roller, buddy, this is the paint brushes
for trim work. Then and then he dumps the paint
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brush in the tub again, and then and then I
knew this isn't normal painting.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Well, you don't like his style. I just I just
hired him the paint our house.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
You better cover all the furniture, put down some drop cloths.
Oh my god, that set must have been like horribly
like covered. I hope they put plastic over the camera
so that they didn't get paint all over the place,
because they did. There was paint everywhere. And then he's like,
and make sure you get a tight shot of my
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blue contacts. They're so blue. They're too blue. They're unnaturally
blue because there's brown eyes behind them, so they have
to counteract that. And it's unnatural. It's literally unnatural to
look at blue contacts in a person who naturally has
brown eyes. It just looks fucking creepy, almost demonic. Like
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we don't normally get like good clear shots of that
because the lighting in this show is usually pretty dim. Yeah,
but if they had like lighting on him, those blue
contacts would just be like fucking hold refine.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
That was Edward James almost his choice, so to go
with those contacts, because they wanted to put Lee in
brown contacts, because that's why they were doing this is
to make them look more like father and son. So
Lee's hair has died because he's a blonde naturally.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Eww, oh my god. I can't imagine him blonde. Good
old Bamber.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
You remember his name?
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Yeah, I remember him? And then sack Off or what
is it? I think?
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Yeah, Kadie sack Off. Jamie Bamber is in Dollhouse with
blonde hair, and he's also not American. He has a
British accent.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Is he really British?
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Yeah? Oh wow, Yeah, he's doing an accent for this
whole show.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
That's pretty good. I wouldn't be able to do an
accent for a whole hour, Oh my god. But yeah,
that was fun. I really enjoyed the direction that he
took himself to He's like, I'm going to go ham
on this wall and then and then he like just
throws himself against the wall and the paint, and I
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was like, oh, you know, if it wasn't white, I
would be really into this, like artistically, like seriously like this.
This gives like an abstract expressionist vibe to it that
is so quintessential to certain artists, like you think of
like Pollock for example, who was like working on canvases
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the size of your garage and shit like that, just
like and the guy used house paint, so it's like
really emblematic of it. I just wish he would have
had like a second paint color just to like throw
in there for funsies, like maybe like a little cup,
like a quart of like black, just to be like, ah,
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it would have been good, but it would have been
too painterly at that point. And it wasn't about the paint.
It was about the body movement and the expressiveness of
the body interacting with the paint and the wall as
a reaction to the external forces that are causing this
man to be internally like just broken at this point.
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So I really enjoyed that. I think I felt a
lot of the nuance that was felt there. But then yeah,
they they kind of overdid it when they overlaid like
Galactica over that.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
And it's like, well, because acting was really good, I
know the.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Acting was a spot on, but yeah, it was just like,
we get it. You don't need to like, if anything,
it would have been cool to cut away like a
slow zoom like and then through the walls you like
you threw the cracks of the Galactica and then you're
outside of the Galactica and you see where he's at
in the Galactica. That would have been something to think
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about maybe if you wanted to show the Galactica.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Yeah. Also with really good acting in this episode was
Grace park As when we're an Athena, Oh my god,
multiple tears.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Oh my god, those little fat, round like water droplets,
just like rolling off her cheeks and dropping onto the ground,
just like every time, her as Athena being really upset.
But then her as Boomer listening to that baby like
cry with cavel, Oh my god. I really liked the
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interaction between what's her baby name, Haarah Haarah and Boomer
in the car or in the in the ship and
She's like, I want my mommy, I want my mommy,
I want my mommy. I wish they would have done
it more so that we could get annoyed as the audience,
because they didn't do it to the point where I
was annoyed yet, and I wanted to feel that, I
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really did. I wanted to feel the emotion of like, well,
let me just stab you with the sedative. Yeah. She so,
Harrah is acting like a child, and I think she
did a really good job at that too. That little
girl as an actress was really good at acting like
a child. And Boomer can't take it anymore and she's like,
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I'm gonna shoot you up. Then they don't make these
needles and baby sizes, and that was scary. And I
wish that the kid would have reacted more to that,
because more crying. Come on, give me more crying. I
want it, like, no, it's fucked up. But we need
to see this child in distress. We need to understand
the situation because the quieter and more docile that the
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child is, the less like intense and dramatic the scene
can become. There's nothing to play off of in that moment,
you know what I mean? She's and it's hard to
act against that, Like I want I want Boomer to
have like a reaction to this child's like real or
or acting of fear and like scared and loneliness and
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all the things that a little kid would be feeling
after being kidnapped. But and then it would have been
cool to see her try to project with her, like
trying to calm her down, but she was already calm,
so it was like weird. I don't know it would
the directing on that part. I'm like, I don't know
how many kids Edward James almost has or doesn't have,
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but he could have really like created a level of
discomfort that would have made us feel some sort of
empathy towards the kidnapper, wanting to do something to shut
this baby up, but not wanting to like force her
hand at her, Like her first instinct was, let me
just sedate you, But then she's like, you know what,
on second thought, Let's see if I can project like
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a cylon, Like let's see if I can share with
you what I shared with your with other cylons. And
she's able to do that, And honestly, I would be
so psyched if I could pretend that a gross nutrition
bar was a cupcake. Yeah, I feel like that. Again,
the acting on the kid's part like you have to
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be excited, give me more wonder game were like, wow,
is this your house? Like something something little kid like?
I think. Yeah, the direction for the child was a
little for me, but Boomer did really well.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
So we do learn in this episode that this whole
thing with the house that she brought Chief to last time,
like that's a real place in her mind that she
did create all those years ago, Like it wasn't just
a manipulation thing that she created for the previous episode.
So she does still hold you know, a lot of
emotions for the Chief.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Yeah, it looks like she holds emotions for Harrah too,
even though it's not her child. It's like a child
that could have been hers, and she has a lot
of like wanting for that.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
It seems like, Yeah, like of all the characters, all
the cylons, she seems to be the most conflicted about
who she is, where she belongs, what's right and wrong.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Yeah, and she's easily manipulated by Cavil. Yeah, it seems
like because of that unsuredness and her like willingness to
like belong somewhere.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Do you remember there's an episode at the beginning of
the season when Starbuck takes the crew out on that shipped.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
And it stinks and she's like lost, but she's like,
I can find her. I can find her.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Yeah, And they end up on that the Cylon based
star where it's been like wrecked, and Andrews with it
is with him and he goes to like he wants
to touch that data stream thing, right, and like he
almost does but he doesn't, So like, I mean, this
episode establishes that, like they can interface with that data stream,
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So if he had touched it, he would have had
an experience and they would have responded to him.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Well we've seen them do that though before.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
But not the final five.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Oh okay, I forget. He's a special class Cylon.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
And now he's moved into a different class because he
is a hybrid now and they have plugged him in
and he's talking about there's a hole in the bucket.
Dear Liiza, you are the harbinger of death. All this
has happened before, it will happen again.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Very hybrid of him.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Yeah, it was interesting the way they made like the
lights flicker as he linked his eyes.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
It was almost like epileptic and deucing flashing, and I
feel like this show should have come with warnings about
the flashing because there was a lot of it. My
favorite was when Kara was like, I'm here to see
my husband and then she pulls a gun on him.
She's trying to kill him again.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
When he's like i'll talk, I'll talk.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
He grabs her hand and he's like, bitch you but
or not. That was fucking weird, but yeah, Kara is
going through it in this episode too. She I can't
believe she told Baltar she doesn't even know that guy.
Just because she heard him on the radio doesn't mean
that you know him. Well, they've slept together before. Who
doesn't he sleep with? I think the list of people,
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especially the women on Galactica, that haven't slept with Baltar,
is shorter than the one that have. Just saying I
don't think that means much in the book of Baltar, Yeah,
and then he even says to her like, who are you, Like, okay, bitch,
like I know you.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
I was trying to interpret that because I don't think
he's like I don't remember you at all. I think
he's more just like, oh, are.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
You like the like the caterpillar and Alice in Wonderland
who smokes Suka trying to be like philosophical and shit, Like, Yeah,
I see that. Could you imagine if he did? Mean though, like,
I don't know who you are? Who are you? You're
just taking a shit in front of me. I don't
get it. Did she wash her hands after that?
Speaker 2 (25:31):
I don't think so. I think she hands in that thing.
Her dog texts, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
With their dirty ass hands, the hands she wiped with.
He's gonna fucking examine that and it's just gonna have
shit particles all over it.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Yeah, because she's she's looking for answers about who she is, because,
as we saw in that scene with Hilo and the
excited cut, like she really doesn't know what her purpose
is anymore. Like she led them to Earth and that
was a jester and now she's just still around going
through the motions of day to day life. Last episode
we saw how like every day is kind of the
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same for her and it feels redundant and meaningless.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Yeah. I just feel like she put her trust in
the wrong person. Yeah, because like the way that he
announces like instead of being like, hey, Kara, can I
talk to you for a minute, Like I think I
need to tell you something, He's like, no, No, I'm
going to come in at the end of a fully
attended funeral for people that don't have anything to do
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with me, and I'm gonna spread the word of God
and out her. And I think she did one of
the most lady like things she's ever done in her
life walk up and slap him and say nothing. Yeah,
that has to be the most lady like way that
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I have ever seen Kara trace like act. Ever. That
was the most most feminine things she could have done.
And it got him to shut up. Yeah, And Adam
was like, everybody, get out of here.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
You were in the perfectly good funeral.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
It's like, fucked up to do that too during a funeral,
Like you have a radio show, Yeah, can't you wait
till it's the time to get on the air. Fucking douche.
But it was nice to see Baltar doing science finally.
It's like, this might be the last time I get
to see him in a white trench coat doing like
shit with beakers and microscopes.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Do you think his old lab was just like sitting
there they see he has uncovered some cloths.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Well, the last the last person who would have maintained
it got executed because Gato would have been the one
who would have been like cleaning the beakers or dusting
or something. So I'm sure it was like just sitting there, dusty,
and it's probably like all the way on the other
side of Galactica. So he had to like tell his
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bitches like, hey, girls, we'll be right back. I have
to I have to go to the lab and they're like,
the lab, you haven't been there in ages. It was
interesting to see him interact with that six model.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Yeah, yeah, I don't bring that up next. He that's
Caprica six. You know, they've had a long history together
since the mini series and they really haven't interacted in
a long time. And you can tell that, like there's
just a lot of complexity to that, and the Baltar
feels very strongly about her because he was also in
tears in that conversation.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
There was a lot of crying in this episode, a
lot of crying. Let's see who cried, Adama Sharon Sharon? Uh?
Was he lo crying? He was? Wasn't he?
Speaker 2 (28:45):
I don't know if he came to tears, but you,
I swear.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
So somebody crying. I know what was crying. It was
a man. It was a man with tears. Did so
I mean, did anderscry? No, Starbuck did when she was drunk.
Starbucks was crying, and Baltar Baltar. Oh maybe it was
Gitar that I crying. So that's five characters. Sarah Sarah
totally cried. Yeah, so that's six dang. Six people cried. Wait,
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did Colonel's tie cry when he was looking for booze
and couldn't find any? No, no tears, but he was
real emotional, all right, all right, So that's that's still
a lot of people crying in one episode. Six people.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
And then Laura wasn't crying, but she was smoking some
weed in the hospital.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Is that an extended cut? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
I didn't see it mentioned as that because.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
I feel like that's something on network would cut because
that was like their second time smoking weed. And she's like,
don't worry, it's a prescription. But that I was still like, well,
let me close the curtain because I'm an admiral.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
No one will smell this if I close this curtain.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Yeah, And then they were talking about their time at
the beach when they were on Caprica before the Cylon
invasion and everything was nice. Yeah, and that was that
was nice. I like them reminiscing about that time because
I feel like that was the one time where their
relationship felt like it could have been normal, right, Like
she wasn't the president and he wasn't like that war. Yeah,
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So it was just like an honest view of what
their relationship should have been if they weren't in this
weird place where she's got cancer and she's the leader
of the free world and he's always battling something. They
both have their own battles that they're fighting. It's I
like that. I thought that was a good callback.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
And we also see that her shared dreams are back
with Boomer and Kaprica six and Haarah Baltar's an't having
the dreams, but he's in them.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
If you thought he was insufferable before, could you imagine
him if he was having shared dreams. He'd be like,
oh my god, I have seen the other side and
it is whole.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Can't get a break from his preaching even when you're asleep.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Yeah, no, fuck that.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Yeah, but it came up before the miscarriage, that they
hadn't been sharing these visions since Caprica six was pregnant
and now that she's miscarried that they're back. So yeah,
I mean the big thread we kind of hit on
him and like they're preparing to abandon Galactica and Adama's
going to transfer his flag to the base ship.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
And everybody's like got their panties in a nod about it. Yeah,
everybody has an opinion. People are claiming parts of Galactica
as their own, like, well we get that DL drives, well,
we get the propellers and all these like body parts
are being called out for. And I think it was
a hard decision for Adama. We saw it in that
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paint scene that he was fighting against it, but in
the end he kind of understood that it might not
be worth the lives that he's trying to save to
keep running this decrepit shit.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Yeah. I think Laura really makes that point to him.
They're like, you might lose both of us if you
try to hold onto the ship.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
He loo also hits him with that, but that probably
didn't hold as much weight for him.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Yeah. Yeah, and it's weird to see everybody like, you know,
what it gives. It's giving Ellis Island or something sort
of like migrant migration, where everybody's got like all of
their belongings and they're like getting in in ships and
hoping to move on to a better life and a
different ship. And I'm like, what I'm wondering, Like, are
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all of these other random people going to live on
the base ship or are they dispersing them into different
ships and integrating them into other ships. It's not very clear.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Yeah, it's not clear. And it's a good question because
the reason there were so many civilians on Galactica is
because they didn't have room in the fleet.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
And are they going to be comfortable and feel like
they're okay in this base ship that is completely alien?
Speaker 2 (33:03):
I wouldn't think so. I feel like most people aren't
ready to live on a move in yeah, a ship
that very recently was an enemy ship. Yeah, And we
get that theme throughout the episode that people are not
comfortable with this new arrangement. Once you got Jason, I'm
just scrolling to see if there's anything missed we miss
but I think we hit everything worth mentioning if not
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right to us and tell us, yeah, let us know.
But I think we're good to move on to the
Astral Queen.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Astral Queen, who was the standout character in the episode.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
This one was hard.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Yeah, this was again as like a lot of these
episodes have been lately, Like there's not like a clear
threat to the ship that like someone is doing the
most to save, you know. Yeah, this is all drama
and like emotions, A.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
Lot of it is like this personal gross that has
happened with each individual character.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
And I think I'm gonna give it to Adama for
that paint scene because I was so distraught and I
felt it and I was like damn, And honestly, I
wish I could move paint like that. I wish I
had the freedom to do that in a controlled environment
like he did, like in real life. Like in real life,
this actor had complete freedom to move and act in
a way that is very rare to see. And it
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was a joy to watch and I really enjoyed it.
But you know, I love art. I love art. This
is so art. This is art on so many levels.
It's like this performance art that has this context, but
even without the context, like just as a video of
Edward James almost like doing that and moving and crying
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and that would that's just beautiful. I don't know, it
just like it brings joy to me in a way
like in the there's this deep sorrow and anger and duh,
it's just very complicated all at once that I really
enjoyed it, and I think he gets diastral.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Yeah, I'm kind of drawing a blank on who else
to pick a Doma was definitely someone I was thinking about.
It seems like the episode was like a lot of
small moments put together.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Yeah you can picture and it's okay, you like you
liked your big fat tears. I did, But the thing
is like she almost stabbed a baby with a needle.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Well, I need to pick a character. So it's like
it's either Athena or a boomer or oh.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
But they didn't do enough. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's another
number eight that was dying the Colonel Tye older hand. Well,
you can pick mine. That's totally allowed to I know.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
I'm just I'm trying to see if.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
There's anybody else of note.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Yeah, but yeah, I feel like I want to pick
Admiral Adama too.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
He just went HANMD on that paint. Man, he was
like moving it and like throwing it and just you know,
even though he was old, he seemed so young in
that moment.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
I just really liked the way we got to see
how he was thinking about the Galactica.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
All right.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Yeah, I mean like everyone needs an award in this episode.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
That's fair. That's also fair. The two awards were the Admiral.
You could have given it Starbuck for quietly moving up
there and smacking the shit out.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Of bal Tar.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
That's true. That's true, and then also taking a piss
in front of him with the door right open, telling
him you missed a spot. She had some good moments too, Starbuck.
When she broke that glass and she's like, uh, I
broke the glass. Oh maybe I might change my answer. No,
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I'm sticking with the DAMA. I'm sticking with the DAMA.
But Kara's an honorable mention. She was so drunk. I
feel like I've seen that girl. I've seen that person
at the bar that is so drunk that they're like
repeating the things, the actions that they just had, like
acted like, oh man, I just I just pissed myself
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for something like.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
That, because she's like kind of shouting it to no one. Yeah,
I broke a broke a glass.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
I broke a glass.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
If you don't know what we're talking about, that it's
in the extended cut. Always it that whole scene with
her and Helo drunk.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Oh man, that's such a good scene of her being
a drunk bitch. You got to watch it. How do
you get the extended cut? You have to get the DVD.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Yeah, I think DVD blu ray is probably the only
way to find it. It'd be nice if they put
all the extended ones on streaming. But I assume there's
some like contract or some some sort of like bureaucratic
reason why it's not.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
But the art should be seen as it was intended
to be seen.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Anyway. We're going to go into the spoiler section, so
if you don't want to be spoiled on anything from
the finale, then you should walk away, pull on a dama,
and transfer your flag to the next episode, which is
called Daybreak Part one only part one. Don't get confused
or discovering part one next time.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Let's put our living stereo stylist in this group.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Brace for impact. Spoilers ahead. If you haven't seen the
whole series, now is the time to say goodbye. Remember
You can contact us at Spacingoutpod at gmail dot com,
find us on social media, share your thoughts and be
a part of the discussion. Spoilers in five four three
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two one.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
Is there anything to spoil away at this point?
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Not a whole lot, but there is, you know, when
they start talking about really like highlighting the existence of
angels that walk.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Among the humans.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
I hate this part, and so like, well, Baltar is
initially he's referring to like his number six that he sees,
and I believe it would also refer to the Baltar
that Kasperga six seeds as well as like you could
extend that to like any character in the show that's
kind of appeared like that before, like a dama's dead wife.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
Dead dad. Yeah, exactly, they're an angels. I feel like
that's such a sappy, like shortcut.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Yeah. So then obviously he refers to Starbuck as an
angel after he examines her dog tags, and it's never
like explicitly said in the finale, but we're kind of
led left with like that's really the only answer. And
we also they bring up the cabin that Laura Rosen
wanted to build.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
She was projecting like a Cylon right or no, no,
what was it?
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Then?
Speaker 3 (39:37):
What's what's the cabin?
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Well, when we do get to the final Earth, a
dama picks out a spot for that cabin with her
and then she passes away. Then he does build that
cabin on his own, though.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
With his bare hands splipped by brick. Yeah, or do
you think he's making a log cabin?
Speaker 2 (39:56):
Probably log?
Speaker 3 (39:57):
Yeah, those are so prone to fire. All right, that's cool.
That's Hopefully the opera House is explain to yep, thank you.
I hate the Opera House and that stupid song. I
mean I love that song on its own in its
own context, but in the context of the show, I
hate that song. Did you catch the reference to it
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from the Yeah? I Sharon, Yeah, I got it before
she died. There's just too much confusion.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Well, yeah, that's that's all the spoilers there are.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
All right, that's great, I gotta go.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
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