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Welcome to Spacing Out With BB and Jason! We’re covering the 2004 reboot of Battlestar Galactica, and this week we’re discussing season 3 episode 17, “Maelstrom”. Thanks for joining us!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Spacing Out with BB and Jason, this week
covering Battlestar Galactica Season three episode seventeen. Mailstrom, Welcome back.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
I'm BB and I'm Jason, and this is spacing Out
where we discuss the piece of film or television, in
this case Battlestar Galactica. And if you are new to
the show, we're gonna have a spoiler section at the
end of the podcast, and there's some stuff to spoil
this time, but otherwise we won't be spoiling anything past
this episode, which is Battlestar Galactica Season three episode seventeen. Maelstrom,
(00:38):
I don't know if I'm saying that right. What is that?
I'll tell you in trivia? Oh okay. This aired on
March fourth, two thousand and seven. Written by Bradley Thompson
and David Weddell, directed by Michael Nankin. The survivor count
was forty one four hundred people, which has not changed
since last time. In this episode, Starbuck dies ah. But
(01:01):
first we learned something about Starbucks Fast, including her abusive
relationship with their mother m M. And that's about it.
That's the episode.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Vibe check. Did we like the episode? Overall, how does
it stand the test of Time's.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
A tough one to feel too. It's not a normal episode.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
It's really not And I don't know how I feel
about it. I was telling you before we started, I
don't know how I feel because it's like kind of
scary and sad, and then the ending's really sad. But
you get a really deep insight into Starbucks character.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yeah, it's definitely a character piece.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Yeah, but I won't say it's my least favorite, but
I won't say it's my favorite either. I think it's
an important one.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Yeah, it's a unique episode. I mean we've had these
kind of send off episodes before, Like there was a Cat. Yeah,
Cat had one that was pretty good, Billy had one
that was pretty bad. So I think this is maybe
the better of those. So yeah, I mean I think
it does what it intends to do and it holds
(02:11):
up in that regard.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Yeah, I just there are certain things that I wish
would have been more clear or better. But I'll talk
about it during deep dive.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Yeah, it's a good episode, but it's it's not like
a typical episode of story arc that you would know.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
It's not like there was no relief from it.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Either, No, there's no storyline.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
It was just like deeply focused and deeply like in
her mind and her processing of death somehow, like it
was something about and her fucking I don't know. It
was just weird and I don't know if I liked
it thouch, especially because she dies at the end. Yes,
So that's where I'm leaving it. It's like, I'll give
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it like a solid seven out of ten.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Trivia time, What facts could we uncover for Mailstrom?
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Wellstrom definition a powerful whirlpool in a sea or a river.
Also a situation or state of confused movement or violent turmoil.
Oh so I think it's literal with that storm swirling
and also her Starbucks emotional state.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
So this episode started and one is being developed as
a viper combat episode, similar to the episode Scar, where
Apollo and Starbuck are fighting a heavy raider and Starbuck
in the end sacrifices herself to allow Apollo to escape. However,
when Katie Sakoff asked about the meaning of the Mandala
and she said that she'd like to encounter reopen again,
(03:43):
the writers kind of ran with that idea and rewrote
the script to this episode.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Can I read the mandalas. Sure, sorry, I think they're
really cool.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
If you have more to add to it, I was,
I did some research, but there's a lot to mendalas,
and I'm like, I can't really.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Do it say there. I would like to call them
sacred geometry for some sort of like there's deep spiritual
meaning to geometric shapes. So it says here. Mandalas are
geometric configurations of symbols that are found in various spiritual traditions.
(04:20):
Practice is very a lot, but it is often a
spiritual guidance tool used her meditation. Overall, a mandala generally
represents the spiritual journey starting from the outside to the
innercore through layers. This episode brings many story elements of
Starbucks history to a close as everything comes full circle,
(04:43):
which is also within the realm of the general meaning
of a mandala. One example that Jason likes is the
greeting that Adama and Starbucks share with each other. When
a Dama says, Starbuck, what do you hear? And she says,
nothing but the rain, sir, And then he says, then
(05:05):
grab your gun and bring the cat. Bring in the cat.
Is that what he says to her in the very beginning.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Yeah, so that's they've said that a few times during
the run of the show. It's also the very first
line that's spoken to Cure Starbuck from Madama when we
first meet her in the miniseries and she's jogging around
the Galactica. Oh yeah, and it's like, don't really know
what it means. The writers don't know what it means.
It's just kind of a military phrasing, like a cadence
(05:33):
thing that they do. And yeah, they kind of use
it to have something special between them that they do,
and Adama will say that sometimes it kind of pull
Starbuck kind of out of whatever thought she's in.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Right, you belong here, Yeah, this is your home. Yeah
that's interesting. But yeah, mandalas are very used in many
many cultures, and I'm sure you've seen them. One of
my favorite mandalas is the ones that they use in Tibet,
which are sand mendalas, and they they're temporary and they're
very like special because they're not permanent. That's really cool
(06:09):
and it is about like the sacred journey and all
that stuff, and so yeah, I can see how that's.
Like I don't know if I would call personally I
don't know if I would call the concentric circles of
Mandala because it's just three circles. It looks more like
a target to me, if it was more intricate, if
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if something were to give us more meaning. It's still
so mysterious that it doesn't give me Mandala yet, but
I can see them trying to bring that in through storytelling.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Yeah, and it's been a few weeks since I kind
of looked into this, but I think different cultures have
different levels of complexity to the Mandalas because it, I mean,
it's mostly in Eastern traditions, but it is other places
in the West Cross Continent's kind of developed separately. So
a deleted scene features Cat appearing to Starbuck and a
(07:04):
brand new Viper and tells her not to worry. It
would been nice to see Cat again.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Yeah, that would have been creepy though, since she's talking
to the dead in a different level, Like there's different
levels that she was talking to the dead.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
So when the episode aired, it featured one of those
deleted scenes at the end, like we've been talking about,
and in that Starbuck is inspecting her viper when she
finds a red liquid that looks like blood. She asks
Tyrroll what the substance is, which he replies its hydraulic fluid.
He promises the problem is minor and their viper will fly.
Starbucks does not believe him, and then Apollo comes and
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takes Starbucks aside the cooler temper. Then, the final scene
where Adama smashes his model shimp was improvised by Edward James.
Almost He allegedly told the camera crew was going to
do it, but the rest of the production was unaware,
and Edward James almost thought it was just an inexpensive
prop that was built for the production, But it was
actually a very expensive museum quality model worth hundreds of
(07:58):
thousands of dollars that was being rented for the production.
Oh but according to Ronaldy Moore, they had insurance on it.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
So wow, no wonder it crunched so well. The crunch
has felt so good. I would have loved to fucking
destroy colonial property like that, but it made for a
good scene. Definitely shocking at the end there this like
composed individual just goes off on a fit of rage
and he fucking murders that boat. I can't believe that
(08:30):
would actually was a real life like model museum quality boat.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
We've seen him building that chip like over the series. Yeah,
every now and again.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Deep Space Dive. Let's break down some of our thoughts
on the episode. You can share your thoughts with us
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on an upcoming episode.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
So Starbuck is having dreams and hot Dog was watching
her have her set extreme at the beginning.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Oh he was. I must have missed that.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Yeah, because they're all in bunks, in those bunks. Yeah,
And she's also seen visions of her past. We're seeing
herself as a young girl, and she starts seeing a
manifestation of the open.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
So this is what I want to know. Is this
spiritual or is this mania? Is this like some sort
of like you know, gods or goddesses interfering with her
life or is she's having like a schizo episode where
she's like seeing things. Is there a history of mental
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health issues in her family that should be discussed and
maybe interrogated, And what's the difference in this world because
we're so static and stuck in this logical space, But
there's also this mysticism with the oracle and all this shit.
So like we can explain it one way or another,
but I would I would personally like for it to
(10:01):
be like like it just it felt really weird the
way that they did it, And it would have been
nice if they had some sort of delineation between it
where it's not like these questions aren't clear, Like it
would have been kind of interesting if there was a
history of mental illness. And when they talked about her
(10:21):
like being a basket case, that's derogatory and why didn't
they take that seriously? Like, hey, like she's like she
said she saw something, but I believe she's still okay
to fly. What the fuck? Nobody believes that she's actually
seen the Cylon ship either, and they're still letting her
(10:43):
go out with guns into space. So I think there's
like this like underlying issue with mental health and how
we're not taking it seriously in this universe. And I
can't believe that the doctor said she's okay to go
and it's up to the ha when the doctor clearly
sees that she's not well.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Yeah, I don't know that the doctor was saying she
was okay.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
To fly, she's just physically well.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
They said if it wasn't like war time, that like
all of them would be grounded, right.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
But I still feel like they should have given her
a day off or something. Don't they have like a
mental evaluation, Like don't they get that like at all,
because she could have survived if she would have had
a day off to like decompress and think about, like
what's going on. She's has all these heavy feelings, like
(11:34):
she's a survivor of domestic violence, and we see that
in her like that it obviously affected her, and then
her fucking husband is making fun of her for it.
He's not helpful. He's like, your mother, really did you
win with this one? She really fucked you up. That's
not how you talk to somebody about their mental health
issues and their fucking trauma. Like he lost some points
(11:58):
on my bed, like he is he is not a
good husband because of that. He's like, I promise we
won't talk about our relationship. Blah blah blah. He was
just such a dick, like he the intentions were good,
like he needs these like you need time off, but
it's just like, oh my god, what an insensitive asshole.
(12:20):
And everybody was kind of that on that level of
like your mom fucked you up, so you're fucked up.
Get over it. We need you on the ground like
we need you in the air, because that's all you're
good for. And I feel bad for her, Like I
felt bad for her the whole episode, and I hate
to see characters who just get shat on all the time.
(12:42):
And then she dies. It just sucked for me in
that point, Like at that point, like her getting beaten
and mistreated and like objectified, like and now she's dead.
Her existence as a person in this world has been
so dehumanizing. Why wouldn't she want to die?
Speaker 2 (13:02):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
It was rough. I don't know if I liked it
because of that.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Battle Star always does a good job of taking these
kind of spiritual elements, these all the mystical, mythical things
that are happening, and also having like a like a
grounded reasoning for things happening as well, Like all the
stuff we talked about with Baltar and like the ideas
(13:26):
that he gets from the number six in his head
are all things that he could also come up with
on his own.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Well, I still think that is his own malgulamation of
like ideas that subconsciously has appeared.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
I think it is him, right, But you can believe
it either way, because it's not like one is exclusive.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Yeah, so I'm okay with it not having like a
clear answer with Starbuck, but it's a lot of talk
of her fulfilling her destiny and their destiny is just
a drive into a storm and die.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Yeah, I don't know, so.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Like there's that that doesn't work as well for me.
It's a very poetic episode though, and I kind of
like that aspect of it where it's a lot of
things are coming full circle, like we were talking about
with the Mandala, like a lot of her relationships, her
and Apollo, you know, they've kind of come back to
where they were at the beginning of the show where
(14:22):
she's yeah there, they've been through their whole relationship thing
together and now there's kind of back to where they started.
So yeah, that's I like those elements of it.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
I thought it was interesting that we got to meet
the mother and this moment, like because we saw little
bits and pieces of like the repercussions of the child
being abused and the little hand and door, and that
was sad and scary and fucked up.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Yeah, that's something that we kind of heard about back
in season two of The Farm where the doctors. They
mentioned her all of her fingers have been broken at
one point.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Yeah, and she had other injuries that showed signs of abuse.
And I think it's interesting that the only time we
see the mother is when Kara is an adult who
has graduated from I don't know what it is, like
pilot school. Yeah, and she comes back in her uniform
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and her mother was in the service. And the thing
is this is very real, Like I think I really
enjoyed this part, is that there is a very high
volume of violence in military families. Domestic abuse and child
abuse is really really prominent in military families. They're always
(15:43):
hiring for social workers to work on base and stuff
like that. It's really sad. You know, these soldiers they
go through a lot, and then they take it out
on their families or the mothers or the family members
that are left behind or overwhelmed with it task of
raising children with a one unit family member, you know,
(16:04):
like it's a two person job to raise a family,
and when you let it fall on one person, that
can become a burden. But like this mom was obviously
fucked up, there's still no excuse for child abuse, like
figure it out or don't have kids. If you know
that that shit's in your family, like something that you
could be prone to do, just don't do it. But
(16:26):
it was interesting to see her as this old woman
smoking cigarettes, chain smoking, and like just sitting there all
by herself reading her cancer papers. And I thought it
was interesting that she didn't fight Kara too hard so
that Kara could understand what was in front of her,
and you could tell like she did want to talk
(16:47):
to her daughter but didn't know how to. And I
think there was like something there between those two that,
like Kiara obviously still wants her mother's approval and her
mother wants probably forgiveness or to apologize or something like.
I feel like there's something there between them that needs
to be resolved. And I feel like a lot of
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children or survivors of abuse don't get that. So I
thought it was really kind of interesting that during her
hallucinations or her I don't know what else to call them,
she meets her mother in her deathbed and they kind
of have a moment of like clarity where they are
(17:32):
seeing each other eye to eye, probably for the very
first time. But it takes fucking deathbed for her mom
to see her which again another reason why like, no shit,
I would want to die too, Like, fuck it, my
purpose is to be dead.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Yeah, the complexity of their relationship is like all there
in that one scene was really well written and part
of the watch. So, yeah, Starbuck is seeing raiders that
aren't there.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Or are they because Lee sees it.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
I don't think he does.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
I thought he did when she saw her. The raider
was right there too in the last scene.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
I don't think he sees.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Oh maybe I'm going crazy.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
But yeah, there's no evidence of there ever being a raider.
And then she goes out again with Apollo, which is
probably a bad idea on Apollo's part. Yeah, he's trying
to make this just like a routine fly around.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
And any other day. They literally have thirty minutes left
on the roundabout when she starts seeing that Cylon again
and her last words are creepy. She's like, I'm okay,
don't worry about Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
She flies into the storm and begins having a vision.
Leo wins there. He's guiding her through this process, visiting
her mother and on her deathbed all that, and eventually
she reawakens in her cockpit and flies into the storm.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
And apparently gets smashed to death because of the pressure. Yeah,
is that how they explain that?
Speaker 2 (19:02):
I believe so. I mean, I know her ship took
a big hit before she went into that vision. Yeah,
I think the pressure caused the explosion. It was a
very clear final explosion.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Maybe that was intentional to leave no doubt.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Yeah, and Lee was like, don't even bother her ships
like up destroyed because Adama was like holding hope that
maybe they could rescue her and they couldn't. And I
feel like that's like really hard because even I feel
like part of it is like even if she didn't
go out that day, her mental state is at the
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point where she can't be rescued. She would have to
be hospitalized or something would have to change where she
would have to be under the care of a doctor
for a long time before she could be back out
to her normal life, even if it's not fighting pilots
or whatever flying vipers. I wish they would have like
slanted it to like more mental health, because soldiers deal
(19:59):
with so much and it would have been like it
would have been interesting to see her having like and
trigger warning like suicidal ideations, like her destiny is to
die and because a lot of people who are in
the military die by suicide, and it would have been
a really good opportunity for them to make this an
episode about like taking your own life and then at
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the end giving you the number to the suicide hotline
and saying like, Hey, if you were a loved one
are struggling, call this number. Because that's what it felt
like to me, Like she was talking about life and
death and this like in between and all these like
little clues that were really minuscule, like you really have
to pay attention for them. But if it would have
(20:43):
been like sometimes we need to be spoon fed as
an audience.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
There's also that scene where they're in the hall of
the all the pictures, Yeah, and she's talking about her.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Death foreshadowing Yeah for sure. Yeah, And I think like
people don't talk like that normally unless they're thinking about death.
And that's like that's a red flag for family members
and friends to be like, hey, are you doing okay?
Like I understand that this is your final wish, but
like why are we talking about it right now?
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Is it?
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Like are you in a good place right now? What's
going on? Cause sometimes we don't even sometimes like yeah,
we don't even realize like, oh, my friend's just like
having a weird day, or yeah, haha, put you right
there next to your front kat, how's your relationship with
your husband? Like we just laugh it off and we
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don't pay attention to the signs, and then you know,
when something bad happens, you're like, oh my god, how
did I not see that. I think it's really important
that we take care of each other and pay attention,
because that's really I think it would have been a
really good PSA moment. For sure. Most people don't, you know,
(21:55):
commit suicide by taking their viper into the eye of
a But it's still not fun, you know. I don't
know I would have enjoyed that in a way, not
like you know, I would have enjoyed it as a
act of like good for all of us as a community.
Who because I feel like a lot of people who
(22:15):
watch Battlestar Galactica like kind of relate to it somehow.
And if there was like something that said, hey, you know,
if you're feeling sad, you don't have to feel sad
all the time. You should talk to somebody, that would
be really helpful for the audience, especially after watching a
character die, you're going to really feel sad. I don't know.
(22:35):
I just there was an opportunity there that I wish
they would have taken, or that they would I wish
they would have like really like focused on like because
so many soldiers just die of suicide, and that statistic
has been out for years, decades, even I'm sure since
we started recording how often they die of other causes
(22:57):
besides war. But I don't know. I just I think
I think it would have been something like, if you're
going to make something for the military, make something for
the military, because I think this show kind of gives
that vibe where it's not just about the military, it's
a little bit for them, with those kind of inside
jokes like that take your gun out, bring the cat
in type of thing like that. I don't get that
(23:18):
that's not for me, that's for somebody else. But I
don't know, I would have really enjoyed that as a
person who cares about humans and military members who deal
with mental health issues, because they have access to the
ways that they could commit suicide so easily. So I
don't know, I'm just a little disheartened by it that
it's not about that a little bit more. I still
(23:40):
can't believe a Dama rectus ship.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Yeah, Adama is finishing up his little model ship and
smashes it, and when a Dama cries, we all cry.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Yeah, that was such a good last scene to like
such a heavy episode.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Astral Queen, who was the standout character in the episode?
Speaker 2 (24:05):
I'm just trying to think if there's anyone besides Starbuck
that would be in the running here?
Speaker 3 (24:09):
You know who line in the runniness lee Obin, but
not Leobin, not Lee Open because he's like her spiritual
guide and he gets to like rub that paint all
over her, even though white paint's the worst. So who
are you picking?
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Starbuck? Yeah? Yeah, Starbuck. I mean she's all of this
episode basically.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Yeah, I think I'm gonna go with Starbuck as well.
But Leobin gets seconds rubbing all that paint on her.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
All right, Starbuck one last time? So that does it
for the main part of the episode. Then we're gonna
go into the spoiler section, talk about some spoilers, so
you don't want to be spoiled, and we do have
some spoilers for this, so you don't want that. Then
now's the time to turn this off. Skip ahead, throw
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your radio out of your car.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
People don't listen to the radio anymore. You can't even
listen to a podcast on the radio.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
I know how this works. But we will be back
next time to talk about the episode. The Sun also rises. Oh,
and it's spelled sun like my Son. Yes, it's where
we learn that Starbuck has a son that's coming in
to take your place. Oh.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
I thought it was going to be about a lazy
son who wouldn't want to wake up our.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Living stereo stylist in this group.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Race for impact. Spoilers ahead. If you haven't seen the
whole series, now is the time to say goodbye. Remember
you can contact us at Spacingoutpod at gmail dot com,
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be a part of the discussion. Spoilers in five four
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three two one?
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Okay, ready for spoilers?
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Do you want to read it?
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Or should I go for it?
Speaker 3 (25:57):
She's coming back?
Speaker 2 (25:59):
She's not really?
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Did I forgot she died? So it was so freaked
out when this episode came out. I had to ask Jason.
I'm like, Jason, is she really dead?
Speaker 2 (26:09):
And you were like no, Well, I mean technically yes, Starbus,
we know where is dead? Like, how does she come back?
Then she it's is she a pylon? No, she's not
a cylon, but it's very mysterious for like most of
the season four and then it's basically she's just like
a manifestation. She's like a goddess basically.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Yeah, she's like indestructible or she's like a figment of
our imaginations.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
I mean she's there and she's like.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Does she poop and shit? Like does she does she
shower and stuff?
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Yeah, she reads this human on all accounts. But then
in the final episode she just kind of vanishes again.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
She's like godlike, ye demigod.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
So they I don't know they put a name to it,
but they in the final episode they refer to the
head six and had Baltar as angels, so it's kind
of implied that she was also one when she comes
back an angel.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Oh I hate angels. Angels are fucking weird, bro. Have
you ever met somebody who believes in angels?
Speaker 2 (27:12):
I mean most Christians?
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Yeah, Oh god, damn, they're fucking weird. Okay, all right,
well but yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
So we but they really do like play up the
next few episodes that Starbuck is dead, gone dead. They
remove her name from the credits.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
They like they really get us.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
They didn't even tell the cast about like her coming back.
Oh wow. They threw a little goodbye party for Wow,
and word is that Edward James almost was pissed when
you learn that she's coming back and everyone felt like
like like no one trusted them.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Basically, why would you? I would start killing more people though,
Game of throws up in this Bitch.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Next st episode, so we'll also see Apollo putting her
picture up on the wall as promised. Ah, we also
have the movie Razor coming up. The Razor is a
flashback movie, so we will see this version of Starbuck
once again.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Okay, I gotta go read that.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
You gotta go. Okay, Well then I guess that's it
for spoilers.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
See you in Space, Cowboy, See you.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Next time where the Sun also Rises.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
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Welcome to Spacing Out with BB and Jason, this week
covering Battlestar Galactica Season three episode seventeen. Mailstrom, Welcome back.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
I'm BB and I'm Jason, and this is spacing Out
where we discuss the piece of film or television, in
this case Battlestar Galactica. And if you are new to
the show, we're gonna have a spoiler section at the
end of the podcast, and there's some stuff to spoil
this time, but otherwise we won't be spoiling anything past
this episode, which is Battlestar Galactica Season three episode seventeen. Maelstrom,
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I don't know if I'm saying that right. What is that?
I'll tell you in trivia? Oh okay. This aired on
March fourth, two thousand and seven. Written by Bradley Thompson
and David Weddell, directed by Michael Nankin. The survivor count
was forty one four hundred people, which has not changed
since last time. In this episode, Starbuck dies ah. But
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first we learned something about Starbucks Fast, including her abusive
relationship with their mother m M. And that's about it.
That's the episode.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Vibe check. Did we like the episode? Overall, how does
it stand the test of Time's.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
A tough one to feel too. It's not a normal episode.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
It's really not And I don't know how I feel
about it. I was telling you before we started, I
don't know how I feel because it's like kind of
scary and sad, and then the ending's really sad. But
you get a really deep insight into Starbucks character.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yeah, it's definitely a character piece.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Yeah, but I won't say it's my least favorite, but
I won't say it's my favorite either. I think it's
an important one.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Yeah, it's a unique episode. I mean we've had these
kind of send off episodes before, Like there was a Cat. Yeah,
Cat had one that was pretty good, Billy had one
that was pretty bad. So I think this is maybe
the better of those. So yeah, I mean I think
it does what it intends to do and it holds
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up in that regard.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Yeah, I just there are certain things that I wish
would have been more clear or better. But I'll talk
about it during deep dive.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Yeah, it's a good episode, but it's it's not like
a typical episode of story arc that you would know.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
It's not like there was no relief from it.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Either, No, there's no storyline.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
It was just like deeply focused and deeply like in
her mind and her processing of death somehow, like it
was something about and her fucking I don't know. It
was just weird and I don't know if I liked
it thouch, especially because she dies at the end. Yes,
So that's where I'm leaving it. It's like, I'll give
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it like a solid seven out of ten.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Trivia time, What facts could we uncover for Mailstrom?
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Wellstrom definition a powerful whirlpool in a sea or a river.
Also a situation or state of confused movement or violent turmoil.
Oh so I think it's literal with that storm swirling
and also her Starbucks emotional state.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
So this episode started and one is being developed as
a viper combat episode, similar to the episode Scar, where
Apollo and Starbuck are fighting a heavy raider and Starbuck
in the end sacrifices herself to allow Apollo to escape. However,
when Katie Sakoff asked about the meaning of the Mandala
and she said that she'd like to encounter reopen again,
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the writers kind of ran with that idea and rewrote
the script to this episode.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Can I read the mandalas. Sure, sorry, I think they're
really cool.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
If you have more to add to it, I was,
I did some research, but there's a lot to mendalas,
and I'm like, I can't really.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Do it say there. I would like to call them
sacred geometry for some sort of like there's deep spiritual
meaning to geometric shapes. So it says here. Mandalas are
geometric configurations of symbols that are found in various spiritual traditions.
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Practice is very a lot, but it is often a
spiritual guidance tool used her meditation. Overall, a mandala generally
represents the spiritual journey starting from the outside to the
innercore through layers. This episode brings many story elements of
Starbucks history to a close as everything comes full circle,
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which is also within the realm of the general meaning
of a mandala. One example that Jason likes is the
greeting that Adama and Starbucks share with each other. When
a Dama says, Starbuck, what do you hear? And she says,
nothing but the rain, sir, And then he says, then
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grab your gun and bring the cat. Bring in the cat.
Is that what he says to her in the very beginning.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Yeah, so that's they've said that a few times during
the run of the show. It's also the very first
line that's spoken to Cure Starbuck from Madama when we
first meet her in the miniseries and she's jogging around
the Galactica. Oh yeah, and it's like, don't really know
what it means. The writers don't know what it means.
It's just kind of a military phrasing, like a cadence
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thing that they do. And yeah, they kind of use
it to have something special between them that they do,
and Adama will say that sometimes it kind of pull
Starbuck kind of out of whatever thought she's in.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Right, you belong here, Yeah, this is your home. Yeah
that's interesting. But yeah, mandalas are very used in many
many cultures, and I'm sure you've seen them. One of
my favorite mandalas is the ones that they use in Tibet,
which are sand mendalas, and they they're temporary and they're
very like special because they're not permanent. That's really cool
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and it is about like the sacred journey and all
that stuff, and so yeah, I can see how that's.
Like I don't know if I would call personally I
don't know if I would call the concentric circles of
Mandala because it's just three circles. It looks more like
a target to me, if it was more intricate, if
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if something were to give us more meaning. It's still
so mysterious that it doesn't give me Mandala yet, but
I can see them trying to bring that in through storytelling.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Yeah, and it's been a few weeks since I kind
of looked into this, but I think different cultures have
different levels of complexity to the Mandalas because it, I mean,
it's mostly in Eastern traditions, but it is other places
in the West Cross Continent's kind of developed separately. So
a deleted scene features Cat appearing to Starbuck and a
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brand new Viper and tells her not to worry. It
would been nice to see Cat again.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Yeah, that would have been creepy though, since she's talking
to the dead in a different level, Like there's different
levels that she was talking to the dead.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
So when the episode aired, it featured one of those
deleted scenes at the end, like we've been talking about,
and in that Starbuck is inspecting her viper when she
finds a red liquid that looks like blood. She asks
Tyrroll what the substance is, which he replies its hydraulic fluid.
He promises the problem is minor and their viper will fly.
Starbucks does not believe him, and then Apollo comes and
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takes Starbucks aside the cooler temper. Then, the final scene
where Adama smashes his model shimp was improvised by Edward James.
Almost He allegedly told the camera crew was going to
do it, but the rest of the production was unaware,
and Edward James almost thought it was just an inexpensive
prop that was built for the production, But it was
actually a very expensive museum quality model worth hundreds of
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thousands of dollars that was being rented for the production.
Oh but according to Ronaldy Moore, they had insurance on it.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
So wow, no wonder it crunched so well. The crunch
has felt so good. I would have loved to fucking
destroy colonial property like that, but it made for a
good scene. Definitely shocking at the end there this like
composed individual just goes off on a fit of rage
and he fucking murders that boat. I can't believe that
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would actually was a real life like model museum quality boat.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
We've seen him building that chip like over the series. Yeah,
every now and again.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Deep Space Dive. Let's break down some of our thoughts
on the episode. You can share your thoughts with us
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on an upcoming episode.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
So Starbuck is having dreams and hot Dog was watching
her have her set extreme at the beginning.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Oh he was. I must have missed that.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Yeah, because they're all in bunks, in those bunks. Yeah,
And she's also seen visions of her past. We're seeing
herself as a young girl, and she starts seeing a
manifestation of the open.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
So this is what I want to know. Is this
spiritual or is this mania? Is this like some sort
of like you know, gods or goddesses interfering with her
life or is she's having like a schizo episode where
she's like seeing things. Is there a history of mental
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health issues in her family that should be discussed and
maybe interrogated, And what's the difference in this world because
we're so static and stuck in this logical space, But
there's also this mysticism with the oracle and all this shit.
So like we can explain it one way or another,
but I would I would personally like for it to
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be like like it just it felt really weird the
way that they did it, And it would have been
nice if they had some sort of delineation between it
where it's not like these questions aren't clear, Like it
would have been kind of interesting if there was a
history of mental illness. And when they talked about her
(10:21):
like being a basket case, that's derogatory and why didn't
they take that seriously? Like, hey, like she's like she
said she saw something, but I believe she's still okay
to fly. What the fuck? Nobody believes that she's actually
seen the Cylon ship either, and they're still letting her
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go out with guns into space. So I think there's
like this like underlying issue with mental health and how
we're not taking it seriously in this universe. And I
can't believe that the doctor said she's okay to go
and it's up to the ha when the doctor clearly
sees that she's not well.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Yeah, I don't know that the doctor was saying she
was okay.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
To fly, she's just physically well.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
They said if it wasn't like war time, that like
all of them would be grounded, right.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
But I still feel like they should have given her
a day off or something. Don't they have like a
mental evaluation, Like don't they get that like at all,
because she could have survived if she would have had
a day off to like decompress and think about, like
what's going on. She's has all these heavy feelings, like
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she's a survivor of domestic violence, and we see that
in her like that it obviously affected her, and then
her fucking husband is making fun of her for it.
He's not helpful. He's like, your mother, really did you
win with this one? She really fucked you up. That's
not how you talk to somebody about their mental health
issues and their fucking trauma. Like he lost some points
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on my bed, like he is he is not a
good husband because of that. He's like, I promise we
won't talk about our relationship. Blah blah blah. He was
just such a dick, like he the intentions were good,
like he needs these like you need time off, but
it's just like, oh my god, what an insensitive asshole.
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And everybody was kind of that on that level of
like your mom fucked you up, so you're fucked up.
Get over it. We need you on the ground like
we need you in the air, because that's all you're
good for. And I feel bad for her, Like I
felt bad for her the whole episode, and I hate
to see characters who just get shat on all the time.
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And then she dies. It just sucked for me in
that point, Like at that point, like her getting beaten
and mistreated and like objectified, like and now she's dead.
Her existence as a person in this world has been
so dehumanizing. Why wouldn't she want to die?
Speaker 2 (13:02):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
It was rough. I don't know if I liked it
because of that.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Battle Star always does a good job of taking these
kind of spiritual elements, these all the mystical, mythical things
that are happening, and also having like a like a
grounded reasoning for things happening as well, Like all the
stuff we talked about with Baltar and like the ideas
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that he gets from the number six in his head
are all things that he could also come up with
on his own.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Well, I still think that is his own malgulamation of
like ideas that subconsciously has appeared.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
I think it is him, right, But you can believe
it either way, because it's not like one is exclusive.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Yeah, so I'm okay with it not having like a
clear answer with Starbuck, but it's a lot of talk
of her fulfilling her destiny and their destiny is just
a drive into a storm and die.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Yeah, I don't know, so.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Like there's that that doesn't work as well for me.
It's a very poetic episode though, and I kind of
like that aspect of it where it's a lot of
things are coming full circle, like we were talking about
with the Mandala, like a lot of her relationships, her
and Apollo, you know, they've kind of come back to
where they were at the beginning of the show where
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she's yeah there, they've been through their whole relationship thing
together and now there's kind of back to where they started.
So yeah, that's I like those elements of it.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
I thought it was interesting that we got to meet
the mother and this moment, like because we saw little
bits and pieces of like the repercussions of the child
being abused and the little hand and door, and that
was sad and scary and fucked up.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Yeah, that's something that we kind of heard about back
in season two of The Farm where the doctors. They
mentioned her all of her fingers have been broken at
one point.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Yeah, and she had other injuries that showed signs of abuse.
And I think it's interesting that the only time we
see the mother is when Kara is an adult who
has graduated from I don't know what it is, like
pilot school. Yeah, and she comes back in her uniform
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and her mother was in the service. And the thing
is this is very real, Like I think I really
enjoyed this part, is that there is a very high
volume of violence in military families. Domestic abuse and child
abuse is really really prominent in military families. They're always
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hiring for social workers to work on base and stuff
like that. It's really sad. You know, these soldiers they
go through a lot, and then they take it out
on their families or the mothers or the family members
that are left behind or overwhelmed with it task of
raising children with a one unit family member, you know,
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like it's a two person job to raise a family,
and when you let it fall on one person, that
can become a burden. But like this mom was obviously
fucked up, there's still no excuse for child abuse, like
figure it out or don't have kids. If you know
that that shit's in your family, like something that you
could be prone to do, just don't do it. But
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it was interesting to see her as this old woman
smoking cigarettes, chain smoking, and like just sitting there all
by herself reading her cancer papers. And I thought it
was interesting that she didn't fight Kara too hard so
that Kara could understand what was in front of her,
and you could tell like she did want to talk
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to her daughter but didn't know how to. And I
think there was like something there between those two that,
like Kiara obviously still wants her mother's approval and her
mother wants probably forgiveness or to apologize or something like.
I feel like there's something there between them that needs
to be resolved. And I feel like a lot of
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children or survivors of abuse don't get that. So I
thought it was really kind of interesting that during her
hallucinations or her I don't know what else to call them,
she meets her mother in her deathbed and they kind
of have a moment of like clarity where they are
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seeing each other eye to eye, probably for the very
first time. But it takes fucking deathbed for her mom
to see her which again another reason why like, no shit,
I would want to die too, Like, fuck it, my
purpose is to be dead.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Yeah, the complexity of their relationship is like all there
in that one scene was really well written and part
of the watch. So, yeah, Starbuck is seeing raiders that
aren't there.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Or are they because Lee sees it.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
I don't think he does.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
I thought he did when she saw her. The raider
was right there too in the last scene.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
I don't think he sees.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Oh maybe I'm going crazy.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
But yeah, there's no evidence of there ever being a raider.
And then she goes out again with Apollo, which is
probably a bad idea on Apollo's part. Yeah, he's trying
to make this just like a routine fly around.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
And any other day. They literally have thirty minutes left
on the roundabout when she starts seeing that Cylon again
and her last words are creepy. She's like, I'm okay,
don't worry about Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
She flies into the storm and begins having a vision.
Leo wins there. He's guiding her through this process, visiting
her mother and on her deathbed all that, and eventually
she reawakens in her cockpit and flies into the storm.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
And apparently gets smashed to death because of the pressure. Yeah,
is that how they explain that?
Speaker 2 (19:02):
I believe so. I mean, I know her ship took
a big hit before she went into that vision. Yeah,
I think the pressure caused the explosion. It was a
very clear final explosion.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Maybe that was intentional to leave no doubt.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Yeah, and Lee was like, don't even bother her ships
like up destroyed because Adama was like holding hope that
maybe they could rescue her and they couldn't. And I
feel like that's like really hard because even I feel
like part of it is like even if she didn't
go out that day, her mental state is at the
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point where she can't be rescued. She would have to
be hospitalized or something would have to change where she
would have to be under the care of a doctor
for a long time before she could be back out
to her normal life, even if it's not fighting pilots
or whatever flying vipers. I wish they would have like
slanted it to like more mental health, because soldiers deal
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with so much and it would have been like it
would have been interesting to see her having like and
trigger warning like suicidal ideations, like her destiny is to
die and because a lot of people who are in
the military die by suicide, and it would have been
a really good opportunity for them to make this an
episode about like taking your own life and then at
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the end giving you the number to the suicide hotline
and saying like, Hey, if you were a loved one
are struggling, call this number. Because that's what it felt
like to me, Like she was talking about life and
death and this like in between and all these like
little clues that were really minuscule, like you really have
to pay attention for them. But if it would have
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been like sometimes we need to be spoon fed as
an audience.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
There's also that scene where they're in the hall of
the all the pictures, Yeah, and she's talking about her.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Death foreshadowing Yeah for sure. Yeah, And I think like
people don't talk like that normally unless they're thinking about death.
And that's like that's a red flag for family members
and friends to be like, hey, are you doing okay?
Like I understand that this is your final wish, but
like why are we talking about it right now?
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Is it?
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Like are you in a good place right now? What's
going on? Cause sometimes we don't even sometimes like yeah,
we don't even realize like, oh, my friend's just like
having a weird day, or yeah, haha, put you right
there next to your front kat, how's your relationship with
your husband? Like we just laugh it off and we
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don't pay attention to the signs, and then you know,
when something bad happens, you're like, oh my god, how
did I not see that. I think it's really important
that we take care of each other and pay attention,
because that's really I think it would have been a
really good PSA moment. For sure. Most people don't, you know,
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commit suicide by taking their viper into the eye of
a But it's still not fun, you know. I don't
know I would have enjoyed that in a way, not
like you know, I would have enjoyed it as a
act of like good for all of us as a community.
Who because I feel like a lot of people who
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watch Battlestar Galactica like kind of relate to it somehow.
And if there was like something that said, hey, you know,
if you're feeling sad, you don't have to feel sad
all the time. You should talk to somebody, that would
be really helpful for the audience, especially after watching a
character die, you're going to really feel sad. I don't know.
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I just there was an opportunity there that I wish
they would have taken, or that they would I wish
they would have like really like focused on like because
so many soldiers just die of suicide, and that statistic
has been out for years, decades, even I'm sure since
we started recording how often they die of other causes
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besides war. But I don't know. I just I think
I think it would have been something like, if you're
going to make something for the military, make something for
the military, because I think this show kind of gives
that vibe where it's not just about the military, it's
a little bit for them, with those kind of inside
jokes like that take your gun out, bring the cat
in type of thing like that. I don't get that
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that's not for me, that's for somebody else. But I
don't know, I would have really enjoyed that as a
person who cares about humans and military members who deal
with mental health issues, because they have access to the
ways that they could commit suicide so easily. So I
don't know, I'm just a little disheartened by it that
it's not about that a little bit more. I still
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can't believe a Dama rectus ship.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Yeah, Adama is finishing up his little model ship and
smashes it, and when a Dama cries, we all cry.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Yeah, that was such a good last scene to like
such a heavy episode.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Astral Queen, who was the standout character in the episode?
Speaker 2 (24:05):
I'm just trying to think if there's anyone besides Starbuck
that would be in the running here?
Speaker 3 (24:09):
You know who line in the runniness lee Obin, but
not Leobin, not Lee Open because he's like her spiritual
guide and he gets to like rub that paint all
over her, even though white paint's the worst. So who
are you picking?
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Starbuck? Yeah? Yeah, Starbuck. I mean she's all of this
episode basically.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Yeah, I think I'm gonna go with Starbuck as well.
But Leobin gets seconds rubbing all that paint on her.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
All right, Starbuck one last time? So that does it
for the main part of the episode. Then we're gonna
go into the spoiler section, talk about some spoilers, so
you don't want to be spoiled, and we do have
some spoilers for this, so you don't want that. Then
now's the time to turn this off. Skip ahead, throw
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your radio out of your car.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
People don't listen to the radio anymore. You can't even
listen to a podcast on the radio.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
I know how this works. But we will be back
next time to talk about the episode. The Sun also rises. Oh,
and it's spelled sun like my Son. Yes, it's where
we learn that Starbuck has a son that's coming in
to take your place. Oh.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
I thought it was going to be about a lazy
son who wouldn't want to wake up our.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Living stereo stylist in this group.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Race for impact. Spoilers ahead. If you haven't seen the
whole series, now is the time to say goodbye. Remember
you can contact us at Spacingoutpod at gmail dot com,
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three two one?
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Okay, ready for spoilers?
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Do you want to read it?
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Or should I go for it?
Speaker 3 (25:57):
She's coming back?
Speaker 2 (25:59):
She's not really?
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Did I forgot she died? So it was so freaked
out when this episode came out. I had to ask Jason.
I'm like, Jason, is she really dead?
Speaker 2 (26:09):
And you were like no, Well, I mean technically yes, Starbus,
we know where is dead? Like, how does she come back?
Then she it's is she a pylon? No, she's not
a cylon, but it's very mysterious for like most of
the season four and then it's basically she's just like
a manifestation. She's like a goddess basically.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Yeah, she's like indestructible or she's like a figment of
our imaginations.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
I mean she's there and she's like.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Does she poop and shit? Like does she does she
shower and stuff?
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Yeah, she reads this human on all accounts. But then
in the final episode she just kind of vanishes again.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
She's like godlike, ye demigod.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
So they I don't know they put a name to it,
but they in the final episode they refer to the
head six and had Baltar as angels, so it's kind
of implied that she was also one when she comes
back an angel.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Oh I hate angels. Angels are fucking weird, bro. Have
you ever met somebody who believes in angels?
Speaker 2 (27:12):
I mean most Christians?
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Yeah, Oh god, damn, they're fucking weird. Okay, all right,
well but yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
So we but they really do like play up the
next few episodes that Starbuck is dead, gone dead. They
remove her name from the credits.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
They like they really get us.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
They didn't even tell the cast about like her coming back.
Oh wow. They threw a little goodbye party for Wow,
and word is that Edward James almost was pissed when
you learn that she's coming back and everyone felt like
like like no one trusted them.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Basically, why would you? I would start killing more people though,
Game of throws up in this Bitch.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Next st episode, so we'll also see Apollo putting her
picture up on the wall as promised. Ah, we also
have the movie Razor coming up. The Razor is a
flashback movie, so we will see this version of Starbuck
once again.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Okay, I gotta go read that.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
You gotta go. Okay, Well then I guess that's it
for spoilers.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
See you in Space, Cowboy, See you.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Next time where the Sun also Rises.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
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