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Welcome to Spacing Out With BB and Jason! We’re covering the 2004 reboot of Battlestar Galactica, and this week we’re discussing season 4 episode 15, “No Exit”. Thanks for joining us!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Spacing Out with BB and Jason this week
covering Battlestar Galacticas season four episode fifteen, No Exit.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Welcome back.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
I'm Bebe and I'm Jason, and this is Spacing Out
where today we will be discussing Battlestar Galactica. If you're
new here, welcome, You should know we're gonna have a
spoiler section at the end of the podcast where we
are free to discuss any future events, but otherwise we
won't be spoiling anything past this episode, which is a
Battlestar Galactica season four episode fifteen, No Exit. This originally
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aired on February thirteenth, two thousand and nine, was written
by Ryan Matas Heard directed by Gwyneth order Peyton. The
survivor count in this episode was thirty nine, five and
fifty six, which is down forty seven from last week.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
A lot of people were lost during the revolution.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yeah for the coup. It's only a revel if it succeeds.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Okay, Yeah Cuba.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
In this episode, after resurrecting from her death on New Kaprica,
Ellen Tie is held captive by Cavil aboard a base ship.
Boomer eventually frees Ellen and the two escape on a
raptor on Galactica, Anders undergoes emergency surgery and begins to
recall the truth about the Cylon race. Ferrol informs a
Dama about the extent of Glacica's damage, and Rosin and
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Lee discuss how to begin rebuilding the civilian government.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Vibe check. Did we like the episode overall? How does
it stand the test of time?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
All right, vibe check.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
I feel like it was pretty boring compared to the
last two.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
It's definitely a change of pace from the action packed
insurrection episodes. Yeah, it's very much like an information dump,
giving us a lot of backstory, and you know, I
don't hate it. I like learning about the lore on
the cylons, but it is like it's a lot and
it's not that well balanced.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
It's yeah, it's kind of basic. And we had Ellen
doing a lot of like exposition, and then we also
had Bonders doing a lot of exposition. It was just
like so heavy on the Sylon lore that I was
just like over it. I'm like cares and they didn't
even explain that stupid song.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yeah, I mean, I don't hate it. It just feels like
a lot of a lot of b stories with no
a story going on.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Yeah, I just I don't hate it, but I don't
love I wasn't excited about it. I wasn't engaged. It
was easily so it was something that I was easily
distracted for them, like there's more interesting things happening on
my phone. Last episodes, I like put my phone down.
I was like, welly there, so it just yeah, I
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like zoned in and out, like I was just like
not feeling it, and then there was Yeah, it was
just not for me. I could have skipped this episode
and been totally fine. I'm glad we know what happened
to Onders.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
But me, yeah, I mean I don't know that it's
skippable in the long run, because I mean you'd be
a little lost if you've skipped it, just with with
Ellen and what's going on with the Galactica and that stuff.
But yeah, so it's not really filler, but it is
a definitely a different.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Episode and it's a different pace, and I don't like
the change of pace personally.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Trivia time, What facts could we uncover for no exit?
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Any trivia for this episode?
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Yeah, so we got a new intro sequence that was
made for this episode to set up this is a
Cylon focused episode. No Exit is also the title of
a nineteen forty four existentialist play by Jean Paul Sartre.
The story references three people who are trapped in hell,
shown as a stately room with chairs and sofas. The
play contains a noble line hell as other people.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
I like that. That's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Some of the ramblings from Anders are from the sixteen
sixty seven epic poem Paradise Lost by John Milton. The
poem concerns the biblical story of the fall of Man
and the expulsion from the Garden of Eden. Pieces of
Ellen's story were originally going to be told alongside the
insurrection arc. That kind of makes more sense, Like pacing
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wise is like, Yeah, you could have had more balance,
but it might have taken away from how awesome those
episodes were.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
The backstory of the Cylon Daniel was created to explain
the numbering issue with the Cylon models. So Sharon was
numbered eight before the concept of the final five was conceived,
and thus they needed to explain why there are only
seven models of the human cylons.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
They couldn't squeeze one more in.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Well, then that would make the total thirteen.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
And they said there was eleven or what they.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Said, there's twelve from the very beginning.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
So they numbered them wrong.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Yeah, because originally they thought like, we're just going to
have twelve models that all have a number, and they
gave Sharon number eight, and they had number six, and
they eventually filled in the other one through thirteen twelve five,
so they had they had one, two, three, four, five, six, eight,
and then they had the final five. So all those
out of the twelve, but we're missing number seven.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Oh okay, So they couldn't just say there was a
final four. We could have gotten rid of toy or
something just saying no.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
The writers also thought it made a good character point
for Kavil to have had him eliminate one of his
one of his brothers, kind of making a canaan able
type thing. All right, all right, Uh, well, that brings
us into the okay boomer part of trivia.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Okay boomer, let's look at any connection to the original
Battlestar Galactica series.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
So Daniel is the name of the main character on
the prequel series, Kaprika and is the creator of those centurions.
And Ander says that the Cylons had developed the hybrids
and then stop the war so they could focus on
building the humanoid Cylons. This is the key element element
in the Battlestar Black. To get a prequel, Blood and Chrome,
which documents young William and Dahma's experiences during the First
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Sylon War, they.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Get a Mexican or brown person to play him as
a young adult or a young person.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
I think so.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
See I put blue contacts on the motherfucker.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
They would have to. Yeah, Luke Pasqualino, Okay, does.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
He look like a young Edward James Omos?
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Well, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
No, No, a young Edward James Omos still looked like
Edward h like he does when he's old. He like
hardly aged.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
But yeah, So the episode kind of ties into a
couple of these prequel series that come out, which I
do think will cover at some point, but probably not
right away and maybe not every single episode either. Just thoughts.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Deep space dive. Let's break down some of our thoughts
on the episode. You can share your thoughts with us
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on an upcoming episode.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Let's dive in to this book of an episode.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Yeah, I don't know. I feel like I don't even know.
I guess. The first thing we see is Ellen and.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Do Yeah, we get kind of a unique opening sequence
that leads us right into her like death and rebirth.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
It was nice to see her life kind of flash
before her light, like her eyes or whatever. Yeah, and
she reawoke, and then she's fucking freaking out because old
Ellen is still like on the surface. And then as
she kind of settles into like where she's at, she
realizes who she is and she starts talking to the
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centurion and being like, you can help me, It's no problem,
you know, I'm on bro.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Then I guess through her scenes, we learned kind of
about her dynamic with Cavil, and we get all this
backstory about what Cavell did and what his kind of
motivations are. He hates that he was designed after humans.
He hates his goofy eyes. Yeah, he hates the limitations
of He's like.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
I want to smell gamma rays, I want to fart
sequence like calm down, I.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Want to take a shit in the black hole.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Yeah. But yeah, he was just like super salty that
he like has to poop in a toilet and he
has regular vision.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Yeah, and Ellen is calling him out for trying to
say that he's such like an advanced perfect machine capable
of you know, everything, but he's so driven by human
emotions of vengeance and rage and jealousy.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
And he called it justice, which I thought was like, yeah,
sounds familiar.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Yeah, and we've all we've seen that, Like Cavil's been
kind of the leader of the Cylons, but we really
see that, like this is all like his personal vendetta
that he's kind of got everyone following along with.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
And Sharon is part of it, like, and I like
that they introduce her as like his most devoted follower
and then that she slowly learns who he truly is
and she she changes her mind about him and who
he what her role is in it, which Ellen pointed out,
like you do you want to be on this side?
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Do you want to like really go down in history
as being on this side? And I think she changes
her mind rightfully.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
So yeah, and that's uh, that's Boomer specifically. Yeah, all
the other Sharons are not part of that group.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Right, She's like the lone Sharon who went against everybody
when they did that vote, and it made everything kind
of off kilter, and she kind of helped start that
civil war between the Cylons. Basically whoops and now she's Ryan. Whoops?
Did I do they? But that I thought that was
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really interesting that they had those two women talking about
like their roles and how society would perceive them based
on how they decided to choose sides and stuff. That
was kind of interesting, kind of boring too.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
So the Ellen scenes, they also take place over a
long period of time.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Right, there's flashbacks, and that was confusing to me.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Because we're cutting back and forth between present day with
Anders and back in the through time with Ellen because
it starts, you know, right, she resurrects right after she
was killed on New Kaprica, and then you know, they
skip over chunks of time and it's like, oh, now
the humans destroyed the Resurrection ship and so it's.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Like Cattle's like freaking out and asking Ellen for help,
but we're still on present time. It was confusing. I
just didn't like it.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Yeah, they didn't do a lot to contextualize that to
help you like piece together like how much time has passed?
But yeah, so Anders is getting prepped for surgery and
what's his name.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Doc coddle. Right, He's like, we're gonna need a specialist,
but first I'm gonna drill in his head. And Starbucks like, well,
we should get the specialist right now, and he's like, ah,
I can drill, it's no big deal. And then as
he's drilling, apparently he unlocks all of Anders's old memories
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from being a cylon and he's like a fountain of knowledge,
but also like he has word solid Yeah, so it's
like really confusing sometimes to follow along with what he's saying.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Yeah, it was interesting. I thought his performance was good. Yeah,
they're very lucky that they have a brain specialist in
the fleet. Yeah, it's unfortunate that it's that Guya sees
pretty annoying.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Yeah, he's like, I feel like I've seen that guy
play that same kind of character of like this nerdy
type before.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
He feels like he's out of like uh Sin Kong,
like Bones or a show like that, like a procedural that.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
So yeah, but he seemed like very disconnected from the
emotions in the room.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Like most surgeons.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Honestly, he's just like, I'm super excited the get a
new brain to work on.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
But I thought it was interesting that Anders, like, gather
them up, I need to talk to them, and they
all showed up for him. I thought that was really special. Yeah,
because they haven't heard from him in a long time,
and he's like, he hasn't called them, so it's nice
that they're all waiting for him.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
It was interesting that, like, as he's telling them this backstory,
one of their main concerns is like who is at
fault for everything that's happened? Like, are are we the
final five at fault for like building these other cylons
and continuing this cycle destruction? Or like do you go
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back a step further? And it's like, well, the humans
on Kobalt built us, so it's the humans And ty
even like takes that logic all the way back to like, well,
at some point a germ split in two and caused
all this. Yeah, they're really concerned about like the pr
of all this knowledge.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Yeah. I don't think Anders is really catching their vibe
too hard though.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
We also learned that Chief Tyrol and Tory were lovers
in their former life.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
They were happy and getting married and Chief Tyrol just
looks over at Tory and giggles. I thought that was cute.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
She's like I killed your wife.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Nobody knows that. Plus he hated the cabbage son to her,
and she was a cheater, a cheater who let him
believe that she was burying him a son. They bad
mouthed CALLI so much after she.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Left the show. So do you understand, like the Cylon history.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. I
really don't care. It's not it's not relevant to me,
even though at the very beginning of the show they
were like, this has happened before and it will happen again,
so it feels like it should be relevant. But I
don't care. I don't care. I want to see the
drama and the conspiracy and all of the other shit
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that goes along with every day now present. I am
invested in the present. I'm not a bit who likes
to look back, and I'm not really interested in looking
forward because that's not like for sure either. So let's
talk about today today. We are here and it doesn't
fucking matter who's responsible for what, Like that's in the past.
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We are now here. How can we fix it? How
can we make today better? But yeah, I don't know.
I acknowledge the past, and I understand it's relevant, but
it's not something that we need to completely let us like,
like it shouldn't be something that it's gonna slow us
down from having progress today. And I feel like this
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episode really slowed us down so that there was no progress.
There was no action. Like the one thing that maybe
was an action was the storyline with a Dama in chief.
That was like one thing that was like a problem
resolution bam. Everything else was questioning was like hung up
in the air or you know, unders wakes up brain dead,
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so we're done.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Yeah. No, I was just asking because you've you've asked
a lot of questions over time regarding the cylons and
like just the understanding of the final five are different
cylons in the other seven.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Yeah, I guess it's it's weird, but I don't I
wish they would have explained it more interesting. Show me,
don't tell me, you know, yeah, because that would be
more exciting, Like if they if they did flashbacks, like
if anders was like I remember everything and then we
flashed back and saw Chief Tyrrell and Toy like happily
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married and like in love and shit, and then we
cut back to them and be like ill, that would
have been more exciting to me. That would have been
more engaging if we would have seen it in their
like Cylon world, putting together like the Resurrection ship and
doing all this stuff. But you just telling me, I'm
like bored, I don't care. I want to see it.
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This is a fucking sci fi show. Show me the
sci fi. So that's why I wasn't engaged. I was
just like, oh, there he goes again telling his stories.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
So I should mention the movie The Plan, which I've
talked about several times throughout the series, that they made
the movie after the series finale had wrapped. But if
you were doing more of a chronological watch, the place
to watch The Plan would actually be right after this episode,
because you in this episode you learn all about what
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Cavil did to like put the Final Five on Earth
with new memories and then hope to have them we'll
have them die in.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
The nuclear holocaust.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
So The Plan kind of goes back and shows a
lot of that and how the Final Five survived and
ended up in the fleet, and then what the Cylons
were continuing to do throughout the first couple seasons of
the show. Yeah, and we'll talk about it when we
do cover the Plan, but I don't think the Plan
is the greatest ending to the series. I think it
actually works better because it is it is kind of
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a backstory thing a lot like this episode, but it
shows more than tells.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
But it is they had more money for the set
design or something kind of.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
I mean, it also reuses a lot of footage from
the first couple of seasons as it fills in gaps.
But anyway, I just wanted to mention that. So, Yeah,
the other thing in the episode was Chief Till discovering
how broken Galactica is after all the abuse ship's been through.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
I like when Admiral Adama was like, are you saying
the cut corners and he's like, yeah, I'm saying they
cut corners. I was like, oh shit. He didn't realize
that the military would cut corners when building something that
was supposed to be important for the safety of others. Crazy,
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Oh my god. But it was funny to me that
he was like, no, we're not using cylon technology. This
is going to be fixed. Like if you can't fix it,
then we're just gonna have to deal with it. And
then he goes to his bathroom and he finally notices
the big giant crack in the wall, and he's like,
oh my god, Okay, fix it.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
It's happening in my house.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Yeah, in my bathroom, the place where I take off
all my clothes. No way, that's his most vulnerable space.
So he's agreeing to using this like biological resin that
the cylons have that will grow and mold itself into
the cracks or something and take on the load of
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the weight bearing beams, and so it sounds great, like, Okay,
let's do it. I wouldn't have even been like, let
me think on it. I'd be like, okay, let's try it.
Like fuck it. I only have one ship. You know,
I fucking destroyed the Pegasus doing that other fucking evisive maneuversal.
I don't have any backups.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Yeah, but he's a little hesitant, I guess because you know,
people just tried to assassinate him for being too close
to the cylons.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
So he's like, hey, yeah, but like the thing that
was to me, I feel like it's almost hypocritical because
he was willing to put new jump drives in everybody
else's ship, and now when it's his ship and it
needs silon technology, he's like, whoa, there, hold your horses.
But yeah, I can tell that he's hesitant because he's like, Okay,
I'm gonna let you be in charge, but it's going
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to be an all human crew, no cylons except for you.
And then the thing. I thought it was funny that
Chief was having to correct almost every single group of
people in there, and I'm like, I bet he wouldn't
have to do that if he was working with cylons.
They wouldn't be doing it wrong and stupid like people do.
The cost of a human crew. Human error is found.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
To happen, all right, Well I got nothing else.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
You got nothing else on that. I thought it was funny.
I like that he invented a beam that can look
through the metal without having to like scoot over, like
make sure you don't get hit with this. Who knows
what kind of ray I'm sending through the atmosphere right now,
because you know, when I get an X ray, they
put this metal bib on me. But he was like, oh,
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no worries, let me just shoot it in front of
your face right now.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
I thought it was just like a black light.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
It looked like yeah, but you could see like internal
workings of metal, so I think it was like more
it was supposed to be reading as more like technologically
advanced than a black light and I'm like, damn, this
guy knows how to fit shit like that. He's like,
it's an X ray but not really. I'm like, okay,
it's like an X ray for metal. I'm like, should
we be taking precautions while you're shooting that up on here?
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It's crazy? But yeah, it was cool and then just
short because it was short. In the episode, Laura's like,
you're going to take over the government and yeah, because
it was like a blip. And I think that could
have been more interesting because I like Laura as a character.
She's complicated and there's layers to her. But we got
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nothing today, like just like crumbs. She gave us crumbs. Um.
But she's like, yeah, Leah Dama, it sucks that everybody's dead,
but you're going to have to figure out who's going
to replace them. And I'm just going to keep my
name entitle but you're going to do all the work.
And I'm like, yes, I love a woman in power
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who can just give like shove work to some man,
because I feel like men do it all the time.
Let somebody else do all the work and I'll take
all the credit.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Yeah. She also like she can't do like there's if
she were to resign, like I don't know, the whole
government's gone like that there would leave more of a mess.
So like she kind of has to keep that title. Yeah,
even if she's delegating.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
President was killed in a firing squad, So yeah, who's
going to take over for here?
Speaker 2 (22:19):
And then all the representatives who I assume are like
force in line. Yeah, yes, there might be some secretary
of education way down the line ready to stuff like.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
The way she got into power. Yea, and it all
starts again because what has happened before will happen again.
Oh my god. Yeah, it was weird. I was like, dang, Laura,
you were doing so well, like you inspired the people
and you got like the government back. But yeah, that
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there was a tragedy, like you know, your whole cabinet,
your whole congress or whoever, they're gone, all the representatives
are gone. And she was having a hard time picking
a good picture of this one guy. And I'm like,
oh my god, that's gonna be me. I don't have
any good pictures of myself. Right now, they're gonna have
to pick a goofy picture of me doing something stupid
(23:13):
looking stupid photos taken so that Yeah, every year, like
you get a portrait done so you're always funeral already use.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
This for my funeral.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Uh yeah, it's the same headshot I use for my LinkedIn.
But yeah, that was the episode pretty much, right. Oh wait,
there's one last thing I want to mention, and that's
Saltaie touching that fake ass baby bumped. Oh so gross.
I didn't like it. I feel like their connection I
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don't buy it. I don't buy it. I feel like
it's it's the I don't I don't feel like they
have chemistry, the way that she has chemistry with Guayas
and the way that he has chemistry with Ellen. Tie
they are lacking something and it just feels so forced.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
I honestly forgot that, like they were still the thing. Yeah,
especially like we're seeing Ellen now Ellen's on our way
back presumably, so right.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
And the thing is the funniest thing is that that
bitch was in a jail cell not that long ago. Yeah,
so I think she just moved in and I'm like,
she looks way out of place. In this like gray
steel office bedroom house thing apartment, and he's like, should
we get baby stuff? And I'm like, he's never had
(24:32):
a child, He's lived a child free life well into
his like I don't know, maybe he's like fifty or sixty,
and I'm like, how dare she do this t him?
But he did it to himself. He fucked. They fucked consensually,
but they didn't know that they could have babies, and
that sucks. That sucks. So yeah, he felt that sylom
(24:54):
baby move and I was like, Oh, that's nasty. But
that's it. That's that does an episode. There was just
like little bits that should have been bigger, Like I
would have I would have liked a better focus on
that and their their relationship, their day to day instead
of all this Cylon word and all this back talk.
And it's like explaining everything. Show me, like, if you're
(25:16):
kinda tell me about it, show it to me. Show
me how he fucked up Daniel's life, Show me Daniel,
give me an actor, and then make him committed to
another series later down the line. But yeah, I don't know.
Lots of talk, not enough action.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Astral Queen, who was the standout character.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
In the episode Who's Your Astral Queen?
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Well, no one did a whole lot in this episode
and start contrast to the previous ones. Yeah, so I
mean Chief was the most active. I picked Chief two
weeks in a row.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
I know this could be the third week in a
row for him.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Am I a big Chief till fan?
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Now he's been like in the forefront for lot. I
was thinking of doing Anders because after this he's brain dead,
but I don't know what else he can do, so
this might be the last time I can give him
one Starbuck also had to make a decision with Anders,
and yeah, that was tough. Yeah, but she like in
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seconds made the decision, so it wasn't like they didn't
draw it out or anything. She's like Prohm for surgery.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Who else?
Speaker 3 (26:27):
I guess the DAMA made a hard decision too.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
There were the doctors that saved Anders.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Yeah, then there's Ellen, Tye.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Ellen and the Boomer.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
So I mean there's some options, but they're just like
lackluster compared to the last ones.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Yeah, Like I'm three weeks in on Chief Tyrol.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
I'm going to give it to Anders. He's a Chief
again for being a bald bitch, all right, all right,
what's two Sylons getting the award this week? They took
our jobs.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
And that brings us to the end of no exit.
But of course we're going to go into the spoiler section,
so there is an exit if you need.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
It and you don't want to airlock bitch.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
If you don't want to be spoiled for the rest
of the series, including the next episode, which is called Deadlock.
And this is the time for you to stop listening
because we're going to go into spoilers. Let's put our
living stereo stylist in this group.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Brace for impact spoilers ahead. If you haven't seen the
whole series, now is the time to say goodbye. Remember
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be a part of the discussion spoilers In five four
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three two one.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
All right till Ellen shows up and there's another blonde
woman in her bed. Yeah, she's probably pissed.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
She does not handle it with a lot of grace.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Does she do anything with grace as Ellen tie I
think that Ellen Tie in her comes out, not her
final Cylon self, which is like benevolent and knowledgeable and wise.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Yeah, so number is number six. She miscarries that.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Baby because of the stress of Ellen.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Very possibly. I think they leave it ambiguous, but it's
very possible that all that doctor's in and so then
we're still where two Cylons have never had a child together.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
They almost did. Ellen would have been cool about it.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Shit. So they bring in the concept of this silon Daniel,
and that caused a lot of speculation on the internet forums.
A lot of people were theorizing at this point in
the show that the Cylon Daniel somehow related to Starbuck,
either that she literally is Daniel, or that Daniel's her
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father or something like that, kind of trying to explain
the mytory of Starbuck.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Yeah, and I like that. She was like, I gotta
be something right, Maybe I was him, but no, it's Daniel.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
So show runner Ronald ye Moore went out of his
way to try to squash these rumors on message boards
and then the podcast commentaries. You didn't realize how much
people would gravitate towards the theorizing on this topic. That him, like,
the idea was Daniel was just a way to explain
the numbering issue and then kind of give a little
piece of character development to Cavil.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
But the nerds were like, oh my god, that's Starbucks, Dad, uncle, daddy.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Yeah, like this has to mean something more.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Yeah, I mean this show is all about that though.
So you're just feeding the fucking like sharks. You put
out chum, and of course they're gonna take it. You know,
I honestly would not have noticed that there was an
off number. I didn't notice. I didn't notice that they
were off by numbers. So yeah, that's funny.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Yeah, I don't think Daniel is referenced again. As I
mentioned earlier, there's the character in Kaprica was the creator
of the Centurions named Daniel, so it's presumed that this
cylon was named after him. So the cylon resin that
they put in the ships, because it's this organic material,
that's what's going to allow Anders to kind of be
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plugged in and connect to all the systems in the ship.
Because this material has worked its way into all the
systems of the ship, sort of turning Battlestar into the
Bay Star. And we end up with this kind of
cool parallel where we you know, we start the show
with the Galactaga being not networked and that's what allows
it to survive, and it ends up being networked with
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all this Sylon technology, yeah, which is what helps them
succeed in the finale. Hurry, oh, Boomer, I don't remember exactly,
but I don't think her intentions are what they appear.
Oh right now, I think she's.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
A trouble crossing ho yeah again.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Because somehow Cavil ends up with Harah again, and I
believe Boomer is the one that does that. But that's
all the spoiliage I have.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
I don't have anything to spoil. I don't remember anything anymore.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
You don't remember the last five episodes of the show.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
No, I'm sure there's an opera house in there somewhere.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Oh there is. Thanks for joining us. We will see
you next time for the episode Deadlock, So say we all.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
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season four, episode sixteen, Deadlock. We hope you will join us,
so say we all
Welcome to Spacing Out with BB and Jason this week
covering Battlestar Galacticas season four episode fifteen, No Exit.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Welcome back.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
I'm Bebe and I'm Jason, and this is Spacing Out
where today we will be discussing Battlestar Galactica. If you're
new here, welcome, You should know we're gonna have a
spoiler section at the end of the podcast where we
are free to discuss any future events, but otherwise we
won't be spoiling anything past this episode, which is a
Battlestar Galactica season four episode fifteen, No Exit. This originally
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aired on February thirteenth, two thousand and nine, was written
by Ryan Matas Heard directed by Gwyneth order Peyton. The
survivor count in this episode was thirty nine, five and
fifty six, which is down forty seven from last week.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
A lot of people were lost during the revolution.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yeah for the coup. It's only a revel if it succeeds.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Okay, Yeah Cuba.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
In this episode, after resurrecting from her death on New Kaprica,
Ellen Tie is held captive by Cavil aboard a base ship.
Boomer eventually frees Ellen and the two escape on a
raptor on Galactica, Anders undergoes emergency surgery and begins to
recall the truth about the Cylon race. Ferrol informs a
Dama about the extent of Glacica's damage, and Rosin and
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Lee discuss how to begin rebuilding the civilian government.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Vibe check. Did we like the episode overall? How does
it stand the test of time?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
All right, vibe check.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
I feel like it was pretty boring compared to the
last two.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
It's definitely a change of pace from the action packed
insurrection episodes. Yeah, it's very much like an information dump,
giving us a lot of backstory, and you know, I
don't hate it. I like learning about the lore on
the cylons, but it is like it's a lot and
it's not that well balanced.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
It's yeah, it's kind of basic. And we had Ellen
doing a lot of like exposition, and then we also
had Bonders doing a lot of exposition. It was just
like so heavy on the Sylon lore that I was
just like over it. I'm like cares and they didn't
even explain that stupid song.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yeah, I mean, I don't hate it. It just feels like
a lot of a lot of b stories with no
a story going on.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Yeah, I just I don't hate it, but I don't
love I wasn't excited about it. I wasn't engaged. It
was easily so it was something that I was easily
distracted for them, like there's more interesting things happening on
my phone. Last episodes, I like put my phone down.
I was like, welly there, so it just yeah, I
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like zoned in and out, like I was just like
not feeling it, and then there was Yeah, it was
just not for me. I could have skipped this episode
and been totally fine. I'm glad we know what happened
to Onders.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
But me, yeah, I mean I don't know that it's
skippable in the long run, because I mean you'd be
a little lost if you've skipped it, just with with
Ellen and what's going on with the Galactica and that stuff.
But yeah, so it's not really filler, but it is
a definitely a different.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Episode and it's a different pace, and I don't like
the change of pace personally.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Trivia time, What facts could we uncover for no exit?
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Any trivia for this episode?
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Yeah, so we got a new intro sequence that was
made for this episode to set up this is a
Cylon focused episode. No Exit is also the title of
a nineteen forty four existentialist play by Jean Paul Sartre.
The story references three people who are trapped in hell,
shown as a stately room with chairs and sofas. The
play contains a noble line hell as other people.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
I like that. That's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Some of the ramblings from Anders are from the sixteen
sixty seven epic poem Paradise Lost by John Milton. The
poem concerns the biblical story of the fall of Man
and the expulsion from the Garden of Eden. Pieces of
Ellen's story were originally going to be told alongside the
insurrection arc. That kind of makes more sense, Like pacing
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wise is like, Yeah, you could have had more balance,
but it might have taken away from how awesome those
episodes were.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
The backstory of the Cylon Daniel was created to explain
the numbering issue with the Cylon models. So Sharon was
numbered eight before the concept of the final five was conceived,
and thus they needed to explain why there are only
seven models of the human cylons.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
They couldn't squeeze one more in.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Well, then that would make the total thirteen.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
And they said there was eleven or what they.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Said, there's twelve from the very beginning.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
So they numbered them wrong.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Yeah, because originally they thought like, we're just going to
have twelve models that all have a number, and they
gave Sharon number eight, and they had number six, and
they eventually filled in the other one through thirteen twelve five,
so they had they had one, two, three, four, five, six, eight,
and then they had the final five. So all those
out of the twelve, but we're missing number seven.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Oh okay, So they couldn't just say there was a
final four. We could have gotten rid of toy or
something just saying no.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
The writers also thought it made a good character point
for Kavil to have had him eliminate one of his
one of his brothers, kind of making a canaan able
type thing. All right, all right, Uh, well, that brings
us into the okay boomer part of trivia.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Okay boomer, let's look at any connection to the original
Battlestar Galactica series.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
So Daniel is the name of the main character on
the prequel series, Kaprika and is the creator of those centurions.
And Ander says that the Cylons had developed the hybrids
and then stop the war so they could focus on
building the humanoid Cylons. This is the key element element
in the Battlestar Black. To get a prequel, Blood and Chrome,
which documents young William and Dahma's experiences during the First
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Sylon War, they.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Get a Mexican or brown person to play him as
a young adult or a young person.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
I think so.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
See I put blue contacts on the motherfucker.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
They would have to. Yeah, Luke Pasqualino, Okay, does.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
He look like a young Edward James Omos?
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Well, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
No, No, a young Edward James Omos still looked like
Edward h like he does when he's old. He like
hardly aged.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
But yeah, So the episode kind of ties into a
couple of these prequel series that come out, which I
do think will cover at some point, but probably not
right away and maybe not every single episode either. Just thoughts.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Deep space dive. Let's break down some of our thoughts
on the episode. You can share your thoughts with us
through email, Facebook, or Twitter. We may use your comments
on an upcoming episode.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Let's dive in to this book of an episode.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Yeah, I don't know. I feel like I don't even know.
I guess. The first thing we see is Ellen and.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Do Yeah, we get kind of a unique opening sequence
that leads us right into her like death and rebirth.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
It was nice to see her life kind of flash
before her light, like her eyes or whatever. Yeah, and
she reawoke, and then she's fucking freaking out because old
Ellen is still like on the surface. And then as
she kind of settles into like where she's at, she
realizes who she is and she starts talking to the
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centurion and being like, you can help me, It's no problem,
you know, I'm on bro.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Then I guess through her scenes, we learned kind of
about her dynamic with Cavil, and we get all this
backstory about what Cavell did and what his kind of
motivations are. He hates that he was designed after humans.
He hates his goofy eyes. Yeah, he hates the limitations
of He's like.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
I want to smell gamma rays, I want to fart
sequence like calm down, I.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Want to take a shit in the black hole.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Yeah. But yeah, he was just like super salty that
he like has to poop in a toilet and he
has regular vision.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Yeah, and Ellen is calling him out for trying to
say that he's such like an advanced perfect machine capable
of you know, everything, but he's so driven by human
emotions of vengeance and rage and jealousy.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
And he called it justice, which I thought was like, yeah,
sounds familiar.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Yeah, and we've all we've seen that, Like Cavil's been
kind of the leader of the Cylons, but we really
see that, like this is all like his personal vendetta
that he's kind of got everyone following along with.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
And Sharon is part of it, like, and I like
that they introduce her as like his most devoted follower
and then that she slowly learns who he truly is
and she she changes her mind about him and who
he what her role is in it, which Ellen pointed out,
like you do you want to be on this side?
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Do you want to like really go down in history
as being on this side? And I think she changes
her mind rightfully.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
So yeah, and that's uh, that's Boomer specifically. Yeah, all
the other Sharons are not part of that group.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Right, She's like the lone Sharon who went against everybody
when they did that vote, and it made everything kind
of off kilter, and she kind of helped start that
civil war between the Cylons. Basically whoops and now she's Ryan. Whoops?
Did I do they? But that I thought that was
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really interesting that they had those two women talking about
like their roles and how society would perceive them based
on how they decided to choose sides and stuff. That
was kind of interesting, kind of boring too.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
So the Ellen scenes, they also take place over a
long period of time.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Right, there's flashbacks, and that was confusing to me.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Because we're cutting back and forth between present day with
Anders and back in the through time with Ellen because
it starts, you know, right, she resurrects right after she
was killed on New Kaprica, and then you know, they
skip over chunks of time and it's like, oh, now
the humans destroyed the Resurrection ship and so it's.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Like Cattle's like freaking out and asking Ellen for help,
but we're still on present time. It was confusing. I
just didn't like it.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Yeah, they didn't do a lot to contextualize that to
help you like piece together like how much time has passed?
But yeah, so Anders is getting prepped for surgery and
what's his name.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Doc coddle. Right, He's like, we're gonna need a specialist,
but first I'm gonna drill in his head. And Starbucks like, well,
we should get the specialist right now, and he's like, ah,
I can drill, it's no big deal. And then as
he's drilling, apparently he unlocks all of Anders's old memories
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from being a cylon and he's like a fountain of knowledge,
but also like he has word solid Yeah, so it's
like really confusing sometimes to follow along with what he's saying.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Yeah, it was interesting. I thought his performance was good. Yeah,
they're very lucky that they have a brain specialist in
the fleet. Yeah, it's unfortunate that it's that Guya sees
pretty annoying.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Yeah, he's like, I feel like I've seen that guy
play that same kind of character of like this nerdy
type before.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
He feels like he's out of like uh Sin Kong,
like Bones or a show like that, like a procedural that.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
So yeah, but he seemed like very disconnected from the
emotions in the room.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Like most surgeons.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Honestly, he's just like, I'm super excited the get a
new brain to work on.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
But I thought it was interesting that Anders, like, gather
them up, I need to talk to them, and they
all showed up for him. I thought that was really special. Yeah,
because they haven't heard from him in a long time,
and he's like, he hasn't called them, so it's nice
that they're all waiting for him.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
It was interesting that, like, as he's telling them this backstory,
one of their main concerns is like who is at
fault for everything that's happened? Like, are are we the
final five at fault for like building these other cylons
and continuing this cycle destruction? Or like do you go
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back a step further? And it's like, well, the humans
on Kobalt built us, so it's the humans And ty
even like takes that logic all the way back to like, well,
at some point a germ split in two and caused
all this. Yeah, they're really concerned about like the pr
of all this knowledge.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Yeah. I don't think Anders is really catching their vibe
too hard though.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
We also learned that Chief Tyrol and Tory were lovers
in their former life.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
They were happy and getting married and Chief Tyrol just
looks over at Tory and giggles. I thought that was cute.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
She's like I killed your wife.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Nobody knows that. Plus he hated the cabbage son to her,
and she was a cheater, a cheater who let him
believe that she was burying him a son. They bad
mouthed CALLI so much after she.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Left the show. So do you understand, like the Cylon history.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. I
really don't care. It's not it's not relevant to me,
even though at the very beginning of the show they
were like, this has happened before and it will happen again,
so it feels like it should be relevant. But I
don't care. I don't care. I want to see the
drama and the conspiracy and all of the other shit
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that goes along with every day now present. I am
invested in the present. I'm not a bit who likes
to look back, and I'm not really interested in looking
forward because that's not like for sure either. So let's
talk about today today. We are here and it doesn't
fucking matter who's responsible for what, Like that's in the past.
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We are now here. How can we fix it? How
can we make today better? But yeah, I don't know.
I acknowledge the past, and I understand it's relevant, but
it's not something that we need to completely let us like,
like it shouldn't be something that it's gonna slow us
down from having progress today. And I feel like this
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episode really slowed us down so that there was no progress.
There was no action. Like the one thing that maybe
was an action was the storyline with a Dama in chief.
That was like one thing that was like a problem
resolution bam. Everything else was questioning was like hung up
in the air or you know, unders wakes up brain dead,
(15:27):
so we're done.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Yeah. No, I was just asking because you've you've asked
a lot of questions over time regarding the cylons and
like just the understanding of the final five are different
cylons in the other seven.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Yeah, I guess it's it's weird, but I don't I
wish they would have explained it more interesting. Show me,
don't tell me, you know, yeah, because that would be
more exciting, Like if they if they did flashbacks, like
if anders was like I remember everything and then we
flashed back and saw Chief Tyrrell and Toy like happily
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married and like in love and shit, and then we
cut back to them and be like ill, that would
have been more exciting to me. That would have been
more engaging if we would have seen it in their
like Cylon world, putting together like the Resurrection ship and
doing all this stuff. But you just telling me, I'm
like bored, I don't care. I want to see it.
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This is a fucking sci fi show. Show me the
sci fi. So that's why I wasn't engaged. I was
just like, oh, there he goes again telling his stories.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
So I should mention the movie The Plan, which I've
talked about several times throughout the series, that they made
the movie after the series finale had wrapped. But if
you were doing more of a chronological watch, the place
to watch The Plan would actually be right after this episode,
because you in this episode you learn all about what
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Cavil did to like put the Final Five on Earth
with new memories and then hope to have them we'll
have them die in.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
The nuclear holocaust.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
So The Plan kind of goes back and shows a
lot of that and how the Final Five survived and
ended up in the fleet, and then what the Cylons
were continuing to do throughout the first couple seasons of
the show. Yeah, and we'll talk about it when we
do cover the Plan, but I don't think the Plan
is the greatest ending to the series. I think it
actually works better because it is it is kind of
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a backstory thing a lot like this episode, but it
shows more than tells.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
But it is they had more money for the set
design or something kind of.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
I mean, it also reuses a lot of footage from
the first couple of seasons as it fills in gaps.
But anyway, I just wanted to mention that. So, Yeah,
the other thing in the episode was Chief Till discovering
how broken Galactica is after all the abuse ship's been through.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
I like when Admiral Adama was like, are you saying
the cut corners and he's like, yeah, I'm saying they
cut corners. I was like, oh shit. He didn't realize
that the military would cut corners when building something that
was supposed to be important for the safety of others. Crazy,
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Oh my god. But it was funny to me that
he was like, no, we're not using cylon technology. This
is going to be fixed. Like if you can't fix it,
then we're just gonna have to deal with it. And
then he goes to his bathroom and he finally notices
the big giant crack in the wall, and he's like,
oh my god, Okay, fix it.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
It's happening in my house.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Yeah, in my bathroom, the place where I take off
all my clothes. No way, that's his most vulnerable space.
So he's agreeing to using this like biological resin that
the cylons have that will grow and mold itself into
the cracks or something and take on the load of
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the weight bearing beams, and so it sounds great, like, Okay,
let's do it. I wouldn't have even been like, let
me think on it. I'd be like, okay, let's try it.
Like fuck it. I only have one ship. You know,
I fucking destroyed the Pegasus doing that other fucking evisive maneuversal.
I don't have any backups.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Yeah, but he's a little hesitant, I guess because you know,
people just tried to assassinate him for being too close
to the cylons.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
So he's like, hey, yeah, but like the thing that
was to me, I feel like it's almost hypocritical because
he was willing to put new jump drives in everybody
else's ship, and now when it's his ship and it
needs silon technology, he's like, whoa, there, hold your horses.
But yeah, I can tell that he's hesitant because he's like, Okay,
I'm gonna let you be in charge, but it's going
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to be an all human crew, no cylons except for you.
And then the thing. I thought it was funny that
Chief was having to correct almost every single group of
people in there, and I'm like, I bet he wouldn't
have to do that if he was working with cylons.
They wouldn't be doing it wrong and stupid like people do.
The cost of a human crew. Human error is found.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
To happen, all right, Well I got nothing else.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
You got nothing else on that. I thought it was funny.
I like that he invented a beam that can look
through the metal without having to like scoot over, like
make sure you don't get hit with this. Who knows
what kind of ray I'm sending through the atmosphere right now,
because you know, when I get an X ray, they
put this metal bib on me. But he was like, oh,
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no worries, let me just shoot it in front of
your face right now.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
I thought it was just like a black light.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
It looked like yeah, but you could see like internal
workings of metal, so I think it was like more
it was supposed to be reading as more like technologically
advanced than a black light and I'm like, damn, this
guy knows how to fit shit like that. He's like,
it's an X ray but not really. I'm like, okay,
it's like an X ray for metal. I'm like, should
we be taking precautions while you're shooting that up on here?
(21:06):
It's crazy? But yeah, it was cool and then just
short because it was short. In the episode, Laura's like,
you're going to take over the government and yeah, because
it was like a blip. And I think that could
have been more interesting because I like Laura as a character.
She's complicated and there's layers to her. But we got
(21:30):
nothing today, like just like crumbs. She gave us crumbs. Um.
But she's like, yeah, Leah Dama, it sucks that everybody's dead,
but you're going to have to figure out who's going
to replace them. And I'm just going to keep my
name entitle but you're going to do all the work.
And I'm like, yes, I love a woman in power
(21:52):
who can just give like shove work to some man,
because I feel like men do it all the time.
Let somebody else do all the work and I'll take
all the credit.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Yeah. She also like she can't do like there's if
she were to resign, like I don't know, the whole
government's gone like that there would leave more of a mess.
So like she kind of has to keep that title. Yeah,
even if she's delegating.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
President was killed in a firing squad, So yeah, who's
going to take over for here?
Speaker 2 (22:19):
And then all the representatives who I assume are like
force in line. Yeah, yes, there might be some secretary
of education way down the line ready to stuff like.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
The way she got into power. Yea, and it all
starts again because what has happened before will happen again.
Oh my god. Yeah, it was weird. I was like, dang, Laura,
you were doing so well, like you inspired the people
and you got like the government back. But yeah, that
(22:51):
there was a tragedy, like you know, your whole cabinet,
your whole congress or whoever, they're gone, all the representatives
are gone. And she was having a hard time picking
a good picture of this one guy. And I'm like,
oh my god, that's gonna be me. I don't have
any good pictures of myself. Right now, they're gonna have
to pick a goofy picture of me doing something stupid
(23:13):
looking stupid photos taken so that Yeah, every year, like
you get a portrait done so you're always funeral already use.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
This for my funeral.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Uh yeah, it's the same headshot I use for my LinkedIn.
But yeah, that was the episode pretty much, right. Oh wait,
there's one last thing I want to mention, and that's
Saltaie touching that fake ass baby bumped. Oh so gross.
I didn't like it. I feel like their connection I
(23:47):
don't buy it. I don't buy it. I feel like
it's it's the I don't I don't feel like they
have chemistry, the way that she has chemistry with Guayas
and the way that he has chemistry with Ellen. Tie
they are lacking something and it just feels so forced.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
I honestly forgot that, like they were still the thing. Yeah,
especially like we're seeing Ellen now Ellen's on our way
back presumably, so right.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
And the thing is the funniest thing is that that
bitch was in a jail cell not that long ago. Yeah,
so I think she just moved in and I'm like,
she looks way out of place. In this like gray
steel office bedroom house thing apartment, and he's like, should
we get baby stuff? And I'm like, he's never had
(24:32):
a child, He's lived a child free life well into
his like I don't know, maybe he's like fifty or sixty,
and I'm like, how dare she do this t him?
But he did it to himself. He fucked. They fucked consensually,
but they didn't know that they could have babies, and
that sucks. That sucks. So yeah, he felt that sylom
(24:54):
baby move and I was like, Oh, that's nasty. But
that's it. That's that does an episode. There was just
like little bits that should have been bigger, Like I
would have I would have liked a better focus on
that and their their relationship, their day to day instead
of all this Cylon word and all this back talk.
And it's like explaining everything. Show me, like, if you're
(25:16):
kinda tell me about it, show it to me. Show
me how he fucked up Daniel's life, Show me Daniel,
give me an actor, and then make him committed to
another series later down the line. But yeah, I don't know.
Lots of talk, not enough action.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Astral Queen, who was the standout character.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
In the episode Who's Your Astral Queen?
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Well, no one did a whole lot in this episode
and start contrast to the previous ones. Yeah, so I
mean Chief was the most active. I picked Chief two
weeks in a row.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
I know this could be the third week in a
row for him.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Am I a big Chief till fan?
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Now he's been like in the forefront for lot. I
was thinking of doing Anders because after this he's brain dead,
but I don't know what else he can do, so
this might be the last time I can give him
one Starbuck also had to make a decision with Anders,
and yeah, that was tough. Yeah, but she like in
(26:18):
seconds made the decision, so it wasn't like they didn't
draw it out or anything. She's like Prohm for surgery.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Who else?
Speaker 3 (26:27):
I guess the DAMA made a hard decision too.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
There were the doctors that saved Anders.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Yeah, then there's Ellen, Tye.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Ellen and the Boomer.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
So I mean there's some options, but they're just like
lackluster compared to the last ones.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Yeah, Like I'm three weeks in on Chief Tyrol.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
I'm going to give it to Anders. He's a Chief
again for being a bald bitch, all right, all right,
what's two Sylons getting the award this week? They took
our jobs.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
And that brings us to the end of no exit.
But of course we're going to go into the spoiler section,
so there is an exit if you need.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
It and you don't want to airlock bitch.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
If you don't want to be spoiled for the rest
of the series, including the next episode, which is called Deadlock.
And this is the time for you to stop listening
because we're going to go into spoilers. Let's put our
living stereo stylist in this group.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Brace for impact spoilers ahead. If you haven't seen the
whole series, now is the time to say goodbye. Remember
you can contact us at Spacingoutpod at gmail dot com,
find us on Facebook and Twitter, share your thoughts and
be a part of the discussion spoilers In five four
(27:50):
three two one.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
All right till Ellen shows up and there's another blonde
woman in her bed. Yeah, she's probably pissed.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
She does not handle it with a lot of grace.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Does she do anything with grace as Ellen tie I
think that Ellen Tie in her comes out, not her
final Cylon self, which is like benevolent and knowledgeable and wise.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Yeah, so number is number six. She miscarries that.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Baby because of the stress of Ellen.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Very possibly. I think they leave it ambiguous, but it's
very possible that all that doctor's in and so then
we're still where two Cylons have never had a child together.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
They almost did. Ellen would have been cool about it.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Shit. So they bring in the concept of this silon Daniel,
and that caused a lot of speculation on the internet forums.
A lot of people were theorizing at this point in
the show that the Cylon Daniel somehow related to Starbuck,
either that she literally is Daniel, or that Daniel's her
(28:56):
father or something like that, kind of trying to explain
the mytory of Starbuck.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Yeah, and I like that. She was like, I gotta
be something right, Maybe I was him, but no, it's Daniel.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
So show runner Ronald ye Moore went out of his
way to try to squash these rumors on message boards
and then the podcast commentaries. You didn't realize how much
people would gravitate towards the theorizing on this topic. That him, like,
the idea was Daniel was just a way to explain
the numbering issue and then kind of give a little
piece of character development to Cavil.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
But the nerds were like, oh my god, that's Starbucks, Dad, uncle, daddy.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Yeah, like this has to mean something more.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Yeah, I mean this show is all about that though.
So you're just feeding the fucking like sharks. You put
out chum, and of course they're gonna take it. You know,
I honestly would not have noticed that there was an
off number. I didn't notice. I didn't notice that they
were off by numbers. So yeah, that's funny.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Yeah, I don't think Daniel is referenced again. As I
mentioned earlier, there's the character in Kaprica was the creator
of the Centurions named Daniel, so it's presumed that this
cylon was named after him. So the cylon resin that
they put in the ships, because it's this organic material,
that's what's going to allow Anders to kind of be
(30:20):
plugged in and connect to all the systems in the ship.
Because this material has worked its way into all the
systems of the ship, sort of turning Battlestar into the
Bay Star. And we end up with this kind of
cool parallel where we you know, we start the show
with the Galactaga being not networked and that's what allows
it to survive, and it ends up being networked with
(30:43):
all this Sylon technology, yeah, which is what helps them
succeed in the finale. Hurry, oh, Boomer, I don't remember exactly,
but I don't think her intentions are what they appear.
Oh right now, I think she's.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
A trouble crossing ho yeah again.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Because somehow Cavil ends up with Harah again, and I
believe Boomer is the one that does that. But that's
all the spoiliage I have.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
I don't have anything to spoil. I don't remember anything anymore.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
You don't remember the last five episodes of the show.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
No, I'm sure there's an opera house in there somewhere.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Oh there is. Thanks for joining us. We will see
you next time for the episode Deadlock, So say we all.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Thank you for spacing out with Bob and Jason. You
can help us out by subscribing and leaving a positive
rating or review. Next time we will cover Battlestar galacticas
season four, episode sixteen, Deadlock. We hope you will join us,
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