May 28, 2025 • 52 mins
Welcome to Spacing Out With BB and Jason! We’re covering the 2004 reboot of Battlestar Galactica, and this week we’re discussing the TV movie, “Razor”. Thanks for joining us!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Spacing Out with BB and Jason this week
covering the Battlestar Galactica TV movie Razor.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Yes, welcome back.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
I'm BB and I'm Jason, and this is spacing Out
for today. We will be discussing Battlestar Galactica. You might
have heard of it. I've been doing this for a while.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Yeah, this is not just Battlestar Galactica. This is a
very special extended version of an episode called a movie.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
If you are new to the show, first of all.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Welcome, Also, weird place to start.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
And if you're watching Battlestar Galactica for the first time,
just know that we will have a spoiler section at
the end of the podcast where we are free to
talk about future events, but otherwise we won't be spoiling
anything past this movie, which is Battlestar Galactica Razor. This
was a TV movie and some places you will see
this listed as a season four episodes one and two.
(01:04):
If you're watching on Peacock, which is where Battlestar is
currently streamable, it is season three, episode twenty one, which
still falls in the same place, but just so you know,
and then we did watch an extended unrated cut of
the movie, but I will go into what the differences are.
I think most people will just have access to the
(01:26):
television edit. So this originally aired on November twenty fourth,
two thousand and seven. Written by Michael Taylor, directed by
Felix Enrique al Kala. The survivor count in this is
forty nine five hundred and seventy nine is significantly higher
than it has been lately because this is set in
season two. So in this movie, a series of flashbacks
(01:50):
reveals the chronicles of the Battlestar Pegasus and its crew
from the initial sign on attack on the Twelve Colonies
up to its meeting with the Galactica, while Apollo's new
Exo deals with the harsh reality of Admiral Kaine's legacy.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Vibe check. Did we like the movie overall? How does
it stand the test of time?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
So let's see it into When we thought.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
About it, I thought it was okay. I felt like
the position where they put it was a little weird
because I feel like it would have been a better
spot after right after Kane died. Yep, I know they
didn't have the means to do that right away.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yeah, I mean that is like, the single biggest note
that I have about this is like where it's placed
in the story. It's like, we're so far removed from
all this stuff with Pegasus and Admiral Kine that like
it kind of feels irrelevant to be watching it now.
And it also it interrupts all the momentum we had
from the season three finale going into season four, right right,
(02:49):
So with that, I would say that the ideal place
to watch this is in between season two episode seventeen,
The Captain's Hand and season two episode eighteen Downloaded. That's
kind of where it fits with the quote unquote current
day storyline of the Odama taking command of the Pigasus, right,
It's more chronological that way. Yeah, and watching it there
(03:12):
doesn't really give like doesn't mess up any spoiler things. Really,
there's a little bit of they talk about Starbuck being
what I am I gonna say they get, They drop
some hens about Starbuck future, kind of setting the tone
for season four. And you also you meet the Hybrid
for the first time in this movie if you place
(03:32):
it there as opposed to immediate when Baltar goes to
the Xylon base ship. But I feel like it's a
fine introduction to the hybrid as well.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Right, I kind of like this hybrid better because it's
like older, more established, and you know that hybrids grow.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Yeah. It also like since it is a movie, I
don't think it works that well as like a standalone story.
Like you have to know a lot about Battle Star
Galactical already.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
I was gonna talk about that later because yeah, I
wanted to talk about that for sure, because it's not
They don't introduce anybody. They assume you know everything. You like,
the lingo, the ranks, everything is assumed that you already
know you're immersed in this world, and so there's nothing
to like introduce you into it. They just go hard
(04:20):
and fast with Battlestar Galactica all up in your face.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Yeah, this is definitely for the fans, Yeah, the new viewers.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
This is not a standalone movie at all.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
It's also relatively complicated with all the flashbacks. The whole
thing is kind of a flashback because of where it's placed,
and then there's like flashbacks within flashbacks. Yeah, but yeah,
I mean I still like it. I think it's a
good story to tell within Battlestar Galactica, and like I
like the individual pieces of it. It's more about like
(04:50):
where it fits into the timeline. That's an issue. I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
It was hard to get into because it was so
like I don't know, because of the placement and because
of how the movie was set up. It's not my
favorite Battlestar Galactica thing. It's interesting, but it's not something
I would choose to watch if I had like an
hour and a half to kill Now.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
I've always after, like the first time I watched it,
I've always made sure to place it in season two
for story reasons, and it's always been a more enjoyable experience.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Trivia time. What facts could we uncover for Razor?
Speaker 2 (05:29):
So Universal Studios Home Video Department requested that the producers
make a one off, standalone TV movie that could be
released on DVD almost immediately after its initial broadcast on television, and.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
They did not deliver because it's not a standalone show.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
It's really not. I think you had one request to fulfill.
Due to the cliffhanger ending of season three, the decision
was made to set the story earlier in the timeline,
but would still help set up season four. The Razor
released on DVD on the SIMP fourth two thousand and seven,
just ten days after airing on TV, and an extended
(06:05):
and unrated version was also included on the DVD set.
It is about fourteen minutes longer than the aired version,
and I will get into a moment what is included
in that. So a series of seven webisodes were released
online in the weeks leading up to the broadcast date.
These webisodes were worked into the extended cut of the episode,
(06:26):
so we did not cover those separately because we were
watching them in the extended cut. So there were special
screenings held in eight US cities which were heavily attended
with lines around the block. And I read one post
somewhere that said because these screenings were sponsored by Microsoft,
like halfway through the screening, there was an interruption for
like an Xbox ad that was met with booze. Sci
(06:48):
Fi dot Com allowed fans to choose the cover art
for the DVD release, and Ronald D. Moore and the
editors did a significant amount of re editing and reordering
of the scenes to tell you more linear story. While
the original script involved a lot more jumping around through time,
which I feel like it still jumps around a lot
through time, So I would not want to know what
that original cut was. So the significant differences with the
(07:11):
extended cut is that there's a little more graphic violence
than they would typically show on television. In the commentary,
they said like they were excited about the idea that
they could actually do things that they couldn't typically do
on television. They could have more just like violence, sex, whatever,
but they kind of just decided not to because it
didn't feel like Battlestar when they did that. They wanted
(07:33):
violent sex, violent comma sex.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Oh oh, well, it was implied with number six model
that they had on board after she was interrogated. We
know that she's going to go through stuff.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
So there's an additional monologue by the first Hybrid which
references the revelation for the final five Cylons, as well
as the boxing of Number three. These events are more
than a year in the future. In the timeline, an
extended version of the flashback to the first Cylon War,
a Dama is in battle with multiple Cylon raiders. He's
(08:10):
forced to reject and continues fighting the Cylons in free
fall as he goes on to the ground, and then
he enters the Cylon Hybrid facility, which I believe is
where the TV edit starts then going to that facility,
so that whole sequence, there's a whole sequence in the
extended version of him doing a very green screen battle
with a Cylon falling down to the planet's surface, and
(08:31):
that sequence, I believe was what the webisodes were comprised of.
And then the whole storyline, there's a whole storyline about
Admiral Kine as a young child losing her family during
the First Cylon War. That sequence is only in the
extended cut. And then there's a handful of other small
scenes that are included or extended on the extended cut.
(08:51):
And now we have a section called Okay Boomer.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Okay Boomer, let's look at any connection to the original
Battlestar Galactica series.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
So we have some connections to the original series in
this and so in the flashbacks of the first Cylon War,
we see Cylon centurions, raiders, and bass stars that are
similar in design to those of the original series.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
They were bulky yep.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
The Cylon phrase by your command is from the original series.
And they also got the original vocoder that they used
to create the Cylon voices, a low coder. It's just
a little thing like distorts your voice.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Like the sing on Home Alone, No, No, it's in
Home Alone too, where he's like pretending to be the
uncle you remember.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Home too, So that was like something that slowed down
his voice. The Cylons in the original series were portrayed
by people in suits, but the ones and razor or
CGI and the colonial uniforms are also reminiscent of the
original series. They worked all those all those l elements
into that, implying that the First Silon War was visually
(10:04):
similar to the original series.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Yeah, that's nice.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
That wraps up all.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Of trivia Deep Space Dive. Let's break down some of
our thoughts on the episode. You can share your thoughts
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your comments on an upcoming episode.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
I really didn't like the time jumping.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Yeah, and it made trying to lay out the plot
kind of complicated.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Because it was like a dama was jumping back in time.
Then what's her name, the old head add Caine. She
jumps back in time, and then she jumps back in
time twice. Yeah, because she's dead, so we're back to
where she's alive. And then when she's alive, she's in
she's just starting the Cylon War, and then she remembers
(10:54):
the last Cylon War, and I'm like, Jesus Christ, I'm
getting whiplash from all this time jumping and none of
it is in the present, or some of it is
in the present. I don't know. I am so confused
the President no, because I'm I'm just got I just
got off of watching four Cilons discover that they are cylons,
(11:20):
and they're commemorating over the fucking Jimmy Hendricks and Bob
Dylan and they're like, I love classic rock, and then
all of a sudden, we're talking about fucking paces, really peaces.
I don't know what the fuck is going on.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
I'm upset. Yeah, none of it's in the present of
the season four timeline, I don't.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
And then they introduce a new character and it's fucking
weird because nobody ever mentioned her before. She never seemed
like she made an impact, but apparently she was like
Cain's right hand man, and she promoted her to captain
(12:02):
and then all of a sudden, she went from captain
to peeling potatoes. How does that happen? Is it because
she shot civilians?
Speaker 1 (12:10):
No?
Speaker 2 (12:11):
After Cain died and those other dudes were in charge.
They were demoting her for insubordination.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
But she doesn't seem like she's insubordinate. She seems like
she loves the rules.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Well she didn't like those guys.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Wow. Yeah, she picked up some bad habits from Kine
because she didn't seem like that kind of person at
the beginning.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Speaking of the beginning, somewhere in this timeline, Leodama picks
Kindrishaw as his executive officer on the Pegasus, trying to
preserve continuity and leadership from the Pegasus crew that evolved
under Admiral Kine, and that triggers a flashback. Big surprise,
So we get to see the pylon attack on the
Colonies from the Pegasus perspective when they are going under repairs.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Oh yeah, and then they bail. They just bail. They're like,
back it up, back it up, close the doors close,
the hatch, back it up. I feel like, cant You
can see Kane as a coward in this in a way.
She's like not willing to like try to bring as
many people onto the Pegasus before she leaves. She's not saying,
(13:16):
have everybody come in so we can go together. She's like, no,
don't let anybody know what we're doing. Just close the
hatch and let's run out. And I think that's coward
And it's obvious.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
That hers also nukes coming at them that they couldn't
devend against.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Sucks to suck, Yeah, it sucks to suck. She had
to make a hard decision, but I just don't think
it was the right decision at the time to like
not even warn people, Like you have like two minutes
to get to these doors and try to save as
many people as you can. But you can tell that
her priority is not to save people. And then when
(13:51):
she finds out her girlfriend is a Cylon, which they
don't reveal right away, she's like helping them, like fix
the computers, and you know, has dinner with them and shit, yes,
and then all of a sudden, the Cylons enter they
the Pegasus encounters the Cylons again. I don't know when
this flashback happens. I'm so confused. I don't know. I
(14:14):
feel like I want to talk about like the movie
chronologically as it should have happened, instead of by flashbacks,
but I am so confused about it that I don't
know how to talk about this movie.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Well, we can try that. We'll go through that.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Caine's experience and how it builds up homegirl Kendra Shaw,
because it really shapes her in a way, Like she
comes in all bushy eyed and big, I don't know
what the what is it called the analogy is tail that? Yeah,
she comes in and she's like, excuse me, excuse me?
(14:53):
Do you know where the cag is? And nobody wants
to talk to her. They're like, shut up, nube. And
then and she then we discover that there's a number
six on board, and she's actually nice and she's like,
let me show you the way I have the schematics
to this whole ship. And that's like a red flag.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
I'm just upgrading all the software. But don't keep that
in mind for future.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
No, don't think about it. Don't think about it. So
because we know who she is and we know where
she's going, that like immediate red flag, you're immediately like, oh,
you're going to be that silon that fucking gets ripped
to pieces and raped by all these soldiers later. So
great to see you all clean and nice for once.
(15:38):
This is the last time we'll see you like a human.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yeah, So that's like a reveal in this story because
when we meet Admiral Kine, they already have uh Gina
locked up, and we don't really know how they found
out that she was a silent or anything. We definitely
didn't know that the two of them were an item.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Yeah we did. There was illusions, there were You weren't
picking them up because you're a fucking sis straight man,
but there were there were there were moments where Cain
talked about Gina in a way that made you feel
like they had a deeper relationship than they had than
just like co workers. But this movie solidifies their relationship.
(16:21):
And like, I don't know why the lesbians have to
be like bad guys. It sucks. But Cain is like
this militaristic minded leader and she gives an order I
don't right away. Like, so Kendrishaw shows up and she's like, siy,
(16:42):
I'm late, and she's like, no, you were getting coffee, bitch,
because that's the only fucking reason you're late, right, Not
that you got lost in my incredibly massive modern ship
with no directions anywhere. There's no little signs that say
see I see in the breakroom or anywhere, you know,
and apparently.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
No one's allowed to stop and give you the.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Time of day, right, so, and it was funny that
like she was like, you know, escort her out and
show her where she's supposed to go. And then she said,
had a little breakfast snack or a little lunchtime snack,
talking about how she's eaten her up on her first day.
And that's so like brutal already she's not even they're
(17:23):
not even not warr yet.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
This is just like a Monday.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
And then all of a sudden, bam, the Cylon's hit
and Kendra falls down and she's going through chalk, and
Caine's like get up and smacks her in the face
and saves her and then finds out that the guy
that was escorting her didn't make it, and they get
(17:50):
their shit together and they get the fuck out. And
that was like Kendra's first like introduction to Cain. This
like hard and fast and like efficient leader. And I
don't know when when does Kane shoot that guy the
exo right away?
Speaker 2 (18:08):
It happens a little later, so we get so chaws
On that discovers the Cylons were about to infect the
Pegasus the virus, and then Kane gives like a big
speech that kind of rallies all the crew.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
And then they say so strange.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Yeah. So then later in the movie in the present day,
Starbuck and Shaw are having a little argument and Shaw
tells her that you shouldn't defy authority on this ship
and flashes back to when Kane shoots her executive officer
for refusing in order, which was crazy.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
She killed him with his own side arm.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Yes, which is a story we were told by Colonel
Fisk when he was drinking buddies with Tye. Oh yeah,
but here we actually see it happen. And then on
this mission, they're they're doing some sort of attack on
a cylon. I forget what they said. It was a
conversation or something, but on this mission, it's when they
discover the number six is the cylon Gina the cylon,
(19:09):
and they initiate the torture on her. Yeah, And we
see that guy that back in season two, Hilo and
Chief kill him accidentally, Yeah, because he was about to
do some bad things to Number eight. I was going
to rape her, yes.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Yeah. So it was really interesting to see how Kendra
or Captain Shaw or whatever her title is at this
moment in time discovers that Gina is a trader because
she sees the Cylon, she does a double take, and
(19:48):
then she like realizes, okay, I gotta shoot this bitch.
She shoots her and she notices, okay, there's a camera
on her, and then she runs back to the CIC
where she told Gina to go to be safe, and
then she orders two of the people in the CIC
to apprehend her, and Cain is like, what the fuck,
(20:11):
No way, don't touch her. What's going on because that's
still her girl at this time, And she's like, no,
this bitch is a Cylon. They look like us. And
she's like, what do you mean, And she's like show
them the cameras and they cut to the camera and
immediately Caine changes and she's like, take this thing away.
And that was like so dramatic, and I did want
(20:33):
to see that at the right time in the film,
in the in the way that this happened, Like, I
don't know, this movie was just confusing. It showed me
things I wanted to see within the realm of Battlestar Galactica,
but it was just so chaotic and confounding that I
just I couldn't even get into it.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
It definitely didn't have a good rhythm going because every
time you think the story is going to move forward,
someone has a thought that brings them back in time. Okay,
but I feel like she puts together really quick. The
cylons look like people, where I would have been like, huh,
that platinum blonde kind of looks like Gina, Right, I
have to tell her, here's a doppelga.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
All white people look the same to me, so I
wouldn't have even noticed. So that's like a whole thing.
And so I think that mostly covers well, no, And
then so that after they get attacked by the cylons,
they encounter a civilian ship, Oh yes, yes, and they've
(21:41):
been depleted of supplies and personnel. And you can tell
that the EXO is really excited to encounter civilians because
he sees this as an opportunity to save people. Like
you can tell that's his intent and goal, which is
a good goal and a good intention. But Cain only
(22:02):
sees resources. She's such a colonizer. She's such a colonizer.
She's like, I want a manifesto of their supplies and
their people, and we only take the people that we
can use. This is all about like production, what can
we do to make our mission of revenge and like
(22:24):
killing the Cylon threat or getting them back better, not
how can we save humanity?
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Yeah, And I feel like this is a change we
see in her because she has that meeting with all
her head crew members where she's like, hey, I said
this whole speech about revenge. I just want you guys
to know, like, I'm not trying to put people's lives
at risk to win this war. She's a liar, but
then she is, you know, feels very personally betrayed by
(22:52):
the Cylons when she finds out that Gina is one
of them, and that's when I think she stops caring
about anything but taking them out.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Yeah, so Sea they raid those, well they try to.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
So they they're in this ship and they're in the
first ship and they're like, so our orders are to
take the supplies and take like twenty of you and
then leave the rest to you. And they're like, and
we need your FTL drive, which is the thing that
drives the ship.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
It's the it's how they jump right faster than light drive.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Right, So it's it's what drives them away, what you
can use to run away from cylons and get sick
to safety because if a cylon finds you and you
don't have an FTL drive, you're stuck in the water.
You're dead in the water. And the people are not
happy about this. They're like, no, you're supposed to help us.
You're the military, Like we pay you, like that's the
(23:48):
whole purpose of the military. And they're like, no, our
orders are to take your shit, and Caine gives the
order to take it and to start shooting if anybody
gets in the way, Like if somebody doesn't want to
get on the boat, you fucking shoot their family members
until they get on the fucking boat. And we don't
(24:08):
see this right away because they love playing with you
in this movie and they go back and forth and
then so we come back to this scene like maybe
two or three times because there's so many fucking flashbacks.
But what it ends up being is that Shaw takes
the first shot and she shoots a woman just straight
(24:30):
in the face, and that ensues chaos and people die.
In the report that Lea Dama later quotes, he said
ten people died, but it looked like more just based
on the body pilot.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
This was also another thing that Colonel Fisk tells to
Colonel Tye and like he tells it very seriously, and
then he starts laughing as if it was just a
big joke.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Right because he was present for it.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Yeah, and then Colonel Tye goes to I was like, hey,
I think this really happened. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Yeah, and the fleet like she somehow Shaw shoots and
somehow blacks out, or she goes into her shock thing
that she does, and we later see Fisk touching her
shoulder and telling her, Hey, it's over. The fleet knows
what we've done here or what's happened. They don't say
(25:23):
that what we've done. They say the fleet knows what happened,
and they're going to toe the line. They're going to
comply with our orders because they don't want to die.
And it reminded me of the episode in Battlestar Galactica
where they were in that ship where everybody was pushing
and one of the marines accidentally kills somebody. But this
(25:44):
was intentional, and it's like so much worse. And I
can't believe Shaw was the one that did the took
the first shot. She drank the fucking cane kool aid.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Yeah, she's fully on the Cane train.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
But that affects her because like Caine, now sees her
as like one of her own and somebody she can trust.
And she gives her this gift of this knife that
she's had, and because if you didn't watch the extended cut,
you don't know what the fuck is up with the knife,
but apparently it's something that she used to defend herself
(26:17):
during the first Sylon War after she fucking abandoned her
baby sister. Well she wasn't a baby, but it was
a little girl.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Yeah, so I don't apparently never sees her.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Again, Yeah, just has her little Dolly in hand. So
we don't know what happened to Kane's little sister. We
never will. But she has this knife now and I
think what it's supposed to represent for her is how
she can become hard and sharp and she can use
it to protect herself against enemies or perceived enemies, and
(26:52):
she wants to that is her legacy. And she's passing
it down to Shaw, who then gives it to Kara,
which is weird because they had like a little druggy
bonding moment. I don't know that was significant that she
promoted her, and she because that was why Kendrashaw came
to Pegasus, was to move up on the ranks, to
(27:14):
move on to bigger and better things. She saw it
as a stepping stone. And Caine saw that right away
and called her out for like using her position and
family to get to where she was, and she's like, well,
my mom's dead, and she's like, don't you fucking try
to use sympathy against me, you little bitch. And I
was like, what the fuck is going on? I was like,
(27:36):
I don't know what's happening. It's super Caddy in here,
And I thought it was a funny juxtaposition where Adama
is talking to Cain or Kendra Shaw and Shaw brings
up his lineage as a way for him to move up,
because she got the same spiel when she was like
(27:57):
in the in Pegasus. At first. Yeah, it's like you baby,
says the NEPO baby, And I'm surprised that Adama didn't
say anything about that. It's like, don't call me, Look
who's your mom. But she's finally getting what she wants
from Kin, which is like mentorship, appreciation, rank and this legacy.
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And then we cut off from that because we don't like,
you know, we know what happens if we watch the show.
Pegasus eventually finds Galactica and there's like turf Wars all this,
and we never see Shaw again until this movie comes
up all of a sudden in the timeline.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Yeah, apparently Shaw is like just off camera all the time. Yeah,
she just walked out of the room before we cut
to the scene.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
She has ibs. But now that Adama, baby Adama is
handed the keys to the new car, he chooses her
and she's like, I don't want to be your exo
in a lot of ways, like I don't know you
and I didn't respect the last fuckers who did it.
And he's like, well, I like that you're it, and
(29:11):
she's like fine, and she I think she sees it
as an opportunity to redeem herself. And so when the
when Galactica and Pegasus lose, a couple of expedition people
like civilians are lost, which is a big deal for Galactica.
So the Adama Colonel Ladama asks Lee Odama to lead
(29:35):
a rescue mission from the Pegasus to recover these civilians,
and then fucking Adama has a flashback and he remembers
the cylon, like, what is it like an experimenting room
like this weird human experimentation chamber. Yeah, and he's trying
(29:58):
to rescue these people and they specifically mentioned like they're
from like the Georgia or something. Which ship are they from?
Speaker 2 (30:07):
I forget the name of it.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Oh, it's not in your notes. Oh, but they like
really emphasize that. And I thought that was going to
be important later it's not. And I thought maybe he
was accidentally gonna like rescue Cylons because I thought Lee
opens in their bitch. But he has to run away,
and then we cut back to the present, so we
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don't know what happens with the people in the building
at all. We don't know if he's able to save
them or what happens. But all of a sudden, the
Silons retreat. Yeah, and that's weird. I guess they sign
up peace treaty and they have like intercoms, so they're like, hey,
we're done, come back home, back to the charging station.
So yeah, so Adama tells them, I've seen things. I
(30:51):
know what they're they're they're up to no good and
that's our people. We got to save them. And he's
like Okay, let me ask my so what she thinks
And he's like, are you sure you want her to
do that? Know her story? And then they flash back
to her shooting somebody, and then we fast forward and
Shaw and Kia don't get along initially, like Shaw is
(31:15):
always talking about how Kia talks too much, and Kia
is like that bitch has a stick of her ass,
back and forth, cattiness. I don't we need drama between
them so that later when they become friends and do
something together, it has more payoff.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Yeah, it was something technical, like Shaw changed the range
on the guns to be firing where it would hit
could hit the vipers.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Right, but they didn't. Yeah, they were fine. She got rescued.
So and so then they cut to Shaw injecting these
things into her body. They don't explain what it is.
It could be insolin, but Kiara assumes and makes us
as the audience assume that it's some sort of illicit
drug takes the edge off.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
And Shaw doesn't push back at all to make us
think it's not a recreational thing.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Yeah, so, I don't know. I thought that was kind
of weak, like explain it better or have her be
embarrassed by it, or do something with that. Have her
react in some way. She's a fucking actor. Have her act.
She's like a pup like I don't know. Sometimes she's
really woulden And I don't know if it's the accent
or the lack of like emotion in this character, but
(32:28):
it's just hard to like her because she doesn't have
any complex feelings until the end. Maybe they're like, Okay,
so we're going to take a raptor and we're going
to distract the Cylons and we're going to go on
a rescue mission and we're going to enter a Cylon
ship and we're gonna like do it in spacesuits, which
(32:50):
I didn't know they could do. Did they have little
thrusters on those things? Because they would have just been
floating out in space. They must have some sort of
mechanism to make it so I think Scassic can release.
They just farten up a storm. But they go in
and we're in a Silon ship, which should be more exciting,
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but it's just really mundane.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Somehow, I feel like you don't get a good look
at this, Like they were probably shooting in not much
of a set.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Maybe I don't know, it was really rushed and really
like dirty and dingy, which hasn't been the same for
all the other Silon ships. But they explained that this
is like old school silent.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Yeah, this has been here since the first Cylon War,
right by these original Cylons.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
And I wish they would have made more callbacks to
like old sets if that was the case, and made
sure that we noticed them, like oh wow this say that,
say that, like show me it, like please take your time,
like this is we have an hour and a half.
You added more minutes to it anyway, so tell me
like damn that, Like I didn't know that the posters
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could be rusty something. And they find their way around
very easily. They never get lost, And all of a
sudden they come to this place without a door that
has the humans in it, and I'm like convenient, and
they kind of freak out because they're like, oh, it
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looks like they're experimenting, and they see like a severed
hand and shit, and the Dama's like, I told you so,
I've seen it before. I told you see it again,
and they're like trying to rescue them, and then all
of a sudden, the silence come in and they get
shot at, and Kia's like telling them, hey, we have
(34:40):
civilians and we need rescued, and Lea Dama's like, I
don't know if we can rescue you right now, and
then communication cuts off and then he's like, fuck it,
let's just shoot them. Let's let's like, we're not going
to rescue anybody. We're just gonna shoot the nukes and
get the fuck out of here. And Colonel Adama's like, no,
don't do that. He's like, give him a chance to
(35:05):
get out. They're like, let's keep trying to rescue them,
and let's keep trying to talk to them, and you
can tell the mood changes when they did get communication back,
and Kira's like, we gotta get out, y'all. Where's our
ride and he's like, oh yeah, it's on his way,
acting like he wasn't just about to murder all of them.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Thank god, the Admiral decided to tag along and baby sit.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Right, and he gave orders and they listened to them.
They're like, don't do that.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Don't don't don't don't do that.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Don't do what Lee Abdama said. And so they get
a raptor and they find out, well, okay, so Sha
gets shot while they lose one guy in the firefight
between the cylons, and then Shaw gets shot and she's
kind of like saying her goodbyes. She's like, I'm gonna
go out like a g Let me do the detonation
(35:57):
like I can do it. And I don't know who
they were going to get to do it before her
or after her.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
It sounds like he was ordering Starbuck to do it,
which does not seem like something Lee would do.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Right, nobody would order Starbuck to do that because everybody
loves Starbuck and they want her back. And yeah, so
Shaw tells Starbuck, I'm gonna stay back. You take my knife.
It was thing that Caine gave me, and I think
you're just like me. So here's this thing I got
that I carry around and let me stay behind. And
(36:31):
Starbucks like, bet, I don't have to die bye, and
they get on their transport and leave. And this is
the weirdest part. When Shaw is back on the Silon ship,
she grabs her little backpack with a nuclear head in it,
and she walks around and all of a sudden, she
somehow manages to get through another place with no door,
(36:56):
and there's a fucking entity there, and it's the hybrid
talking his mess, doing his business, and he's like, I
know you, bitch, I seen your life, which is creepy,
and I don't understand it. If he can see the
individual lives of humans, why how is that relevant to anything?
She has no impact other than destroying you. Is that
(37:20):
why she's relevant? I don't understand. But that to me
slows down her heroic journey a lot, like she should
have just like pooped and died and hit the button
right as they were leaving, and we didn't need the
hybrid shit, But they wanted to add that Starbuck was
a danger thing like Starbuck is a problem. I didn't
(37:41):
get it.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
I didn't care for it, which is only a thing
that they're really telling us the audience, because she doesn't
get to tell that to the Vegasus or anything.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
So and apocalypse for who? Maybe it's the apocalypse for
the Cylons and not actually people, so like maybe she's
a threat to the Cylon race and not to humans,
So like, how am I supposed to trust you as
a Cylon entity? I don't know. That whole business just
upset me and I didn't like it. I liked the
(38:12):
hybrid as a character, like he was old and crusty
and he had like a booger. It was cool, but
I don't know nostrils. Yeah, but I don't know why
it was relevant for Shaw to interact with the Hybrid
right before she blew up the place. We could have
had another flashback to a Dama meeting the Hybrid or
(38:34):
something else, and then that would have been even more
confusing and way better. I don't know. It was weird.
It was weird, but they basically like rescue like two
and a half people and lost two, so they like
came out. Even so, it's like, what was the mission
for I don't know for Leodama's first pegas's mission, it wasn't.
(38:56):
I wouldn't call it a success unless you call them
destroy in Asylent base ship successful, which I guess is.
But yeah, it's not even the main cylons they're fighting.
It's just like some random people.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
It took out some antiquated technology. Good job team. I'm
just trying to scroll through this jumble mess of a timeline,
see if we missed anything. Oh yeah, so I think
that's it. It ends with Admiral Dama and Leodama talking
the Admiral wants to do a posthumanist combination for Kindredshaw,
while Leodama is still a bit torn up that she
(39:30):
was part of that massacre. And it just kind of
ends with them saying like, well, we're going to write
the history how we want.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
That was weird. I thought that Colonel Adama or Admiral
Adama would have been against like commemorating the spirit of
somebody so complicated. But I guess her last action was
the action that counts. And I don't know, I don't know,
I don't I just it's hard for me to think
(39:57):
that Adama would be okay with Aleen civilians to the
point where it's like we can rewrite history. It's no
big deal. It doesn't seem like an Adama thing to do.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Yeah, but he might be looking at like, you know,
everyone has a past and like this is the Kindreshaw
that I knew, and that's what I'm going to write about, right,
And it sounds like they might be doing conflicting reports.
I don't know. I'm not sure what lead's going to
turn out.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
I don't either, I don't know. We don't get captain's
logs in this universe, so we don't know what the
start date is or nothing. But I don't even know
who they report to, to be honest, but they that
was an interesting, like little tidbit that said, we are
the ones who start the history, like history comes from us.
(40:46):
And that's a fair point. But I think you should
be able to tell the full story without like because people,
even people have their pasts, but that shapes who they
are and we should acknowledge that. Not acknowledging the past
is a surefire way of repeating it, And that, to
me is dangerous and irresponsible and foolish to be like, oh,
(41:09):
she's better now she's dead. It's like, no, her legacy
is still like this very like complicated thing that shouldn't
be like commemorated without being fully transparent about who she
was and what she did. It'd be like celebrating Hitler
for his paintings.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
No, you know what I mean, Like I do wonder like,
is this commendation that he's recommending does that have to
do partially with trying to unite the crew? Still they were.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
Gonna do that, then they should have said that, because
it's not clear. It's just like, oh, she did something nice,
let's give her something nice, and I like that lisaid
she wasn't in it for the metals. She was peeling
potatoes when I found her, like you know, and she
was probably happy just peeling potatoes, stay out of trouble,
not like trying to like do penance or what she did.
(42:05):
And I wish they would have shown more of that
from her as a character, like the remorse and the like,
because she didn't show a lot of remorse in any
scene after the scene where Fisk is like it's.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Over right, other than like admitting that she wants to
be forgiven for it when she's talking to the hybrid.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
Right, and that again, that was all weird and bullshitty.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
I don't know why she I don't know why you
need it from that guy.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
I don't know why she didn't just shoot him like
she shot that number six model just for you know,
like that would have been interesting. I'm gonna nuke you,
but before I knuke you, let me shoot you. I
don't know. That interaction was weird, but she her sacrifice
like obviously helped the cause, but I don't I don't
(42:55):
understand the reaction afterwards. It was really complicated and it
didn't get the time necessary to really like give us
real closure. I think the writing was black there a
little bit. I feel like this was a rush job anyway.
Paramount plus or who has Taurus Universal Universal said jump
and they're like, Okay, we got like a lot of jumps,
(43:18):
a lot of time jumps. Get ready baby.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
Well, I mean they put a lot of work into it,
Like they had to rebuild these sets for the Pegasus.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
Right, and those those doors that open like blinds were
probably a pain in the ass. They probably really wanted
to showcase those.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
Yeah, I thought, you know, like we this movie, like
Kindrickshaw is definitely like the main character of it. It
would been interesting if she didn't die at the end
and they'd found a way to like work her into
season four and like make this whole story a little
more relevant to like going forward.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
Or what if she was a Psylon two something something.
But yeah, no, they just it's like a one off character.
It's I don't know, but it was funny. I thought
about this and she was talking about how she didn't
respect those last two because one of them was a
black market dealer, and I'm like, oh, I remember Lee
(44:11):
was hanging out at the black market with that prostitute
and her kid. Do you respect him? Oh?
Speaker 2 (44:20):
That was weird.
Speaker 3 (44:21):
I was like, that's interesting. I guess nobody found out
about that. Lee you got lucky.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
Well Lee was just there on his own, like Fisk
was in command of the Pegasus and like working with
a black market. Yeah, so yeah, that was a lot
of stuff. Any other thoughts on this, Like it's a
weird mix of like like I didn't watch through season
two and think like, oh, there's a lot of story
(44:47):
missing here that I need filled in, and then watching this,
I'm like, oh, I'm glad we got to experience some
of this. Some of it and some of it's not
that necessary. Yeah, I think there is like a lot
of good parts. So this.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
I wouldn't want to watch the extended cut again, honestly
because I got really pissed off when I saw Dama
as a young man in that like CGI world. I
really hate that. I just I also didn't like that
they chose a white actor with blue contacts. Again, But
I don't know, I don't understand, we've seen this guy
(45:23):
before young like he's had a very long career in acting.
But Adama, I guess, is a white man, so he
had to be a white young man, but it's Edward
James almost. Did you think that the young guy that
played uh Dama looked like him?
Speaker 2 (45:39):
Kinda? I mean he was definitely like trying to sound like.
Speaker 3 (45:42):
He definitely tried to sound like him.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
His name is Nico Cortes.
Speaker 3 (45:47):
So they did pick up maybe a Spaniard. Maybe he's
like on the light side of the Latino scale.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
Yeah, I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (45:54):
I didn't just let him be Latino. I'm still upset
about that. They could have just let him be Latino
and had a Latino like son and it could have
been like a progressive casting. Oh well, that's just old stuff,
all right.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
Already to move on, astral Queen.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
Who was the standout character in the episode?
Speaker 2 (46:19):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (46:19):
Who's your astral Queen?
Speaker 2 (46:21):
I mean, for this, like the only characters with real,
real significant screen time or Kindri Shaw had Rocaine and
the Damas.
Speaker 3 (46:30):
I feel like.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
Start like that.
Speaker 3 (46:32):
I think it's kind of Shaw.
Speaker 2 (46:34):
Yeah, that's that's where I'm at with it.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
So let's do that, even though she's just going to
have like two votes and she's never going to get
another vote because she's not in any other episodes or
other things at all.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
Yeah, but I mean she's the one that saves them,
I guess so yeah, but she's not in it for
the metals, so we won't be sending anything. But we
do have is a look at the Astral Queen from
season three. Believes it one overall and he guesses Starbuck.
It is not Starbuck. What it is the Nepo baby
(47:08):
himself Leadama.
Speaker 3 (47:09):
Oh, his dad got him to that, and I believe
it was really like the last couple episodes of the
court Case.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
I think we picked him both for both episodes. So
four of those votes twenty episodes plus the webisodes counted
in there means that there was forty two votes possible.
So Apollo had five and was at the top, and
the Admiral is behind him with four votes, and then
with three votes there was Starbuck, Baltar d Sharon, Chief Tyrol, Helo.
(47:41):
The two votes there's Gaeta tie Kat Duck and Ellen
Tye and one vote there's Calli Doc Cuddle, Bulldog Deanna
number three and Romo Lampkin.
Speaker 3 (47:52):
Wow, what a season.
Speaker 2 (47:53):
Did not know Apollo was going to come out on top.
So the Astral Queen overall is still Starbucks. Starbuck with
fourteen points, and behind her is Baltar with twelve points,
and then right on his heels is Sharon and Duala
at eleven points. So that's where the standings are overall.
As we head into the new season, we'll see if
(48:15):
Starbuck can hold the lead that she's had the entire show.
So that brings us to the end of the main
part of this episode. We will of course be going
into the spoiler section and be talking about things that
come in season four. So if you don't want to
hear about any of that, this is the time to
stop listening and we'll see you next time for season
(48:36):
four episode one. He that believeth in me?
Speaker 3 (48:39):
That's not a godly reference at all. Let's put our
living stereo stylist in this group.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
Brace for impact the spoilers ahead. If you haven't seen
the whole series, now is the time to say goodbye.
Remember you can contact us at Spacingoutpod at gmail dot com,
find us on Facebook and Twitter, share your thoughts and
be a part of the discussion. Spoilers in five four
(49:09):
three two one All.
Speaker 2 (49:11):
Right, spoiler section. So the hybrid says a lot of
things that some of it has already happened, and some
of it hasn't yet, So it's going to go through
some of the words that he's spewing out. Okay, as
soon there will be four glorious and awakening struggling with
the knowledge of the true selves. That is obviously talking
about the four Cylons we just awoke on the previous episode.
(49:35):
It goes on the pain of revelation, bringing new clarity,
and in the midst of confusion, he will find her.
Not clear when he says he will find her. Is
it like Colonel Tie will find Ellen Tie or Apollo
will find Starbuck. I'm not sure what exactly that is. Then,
enemy is brought together by impossible, longing enemies now joined
as one the way forward at once unthinkable yet inevitable.
(49:58):
I believe that has to do with the fact that
the humans and the Cylons will start working together to
find earth some of the Cylons that is, and the fifth,
still in shadow, will claw towards the light, hungering for
redemption that will only come in the howl of terrible
suffering that is the fifth Cylon. I can see them all,
the seven now six self described machines who believe in
(50:22):
themselves without sin, so that being the seven cylons that
were known that are now six because number three has
been boxed. But in time it is sin that will
consume them. They will know in any bitterness, the wrenching
agony of one splintering into many, and then they will
join the promised land, gathered on the wings of an
angel on an end. At the beginning, so sponsoring in
(50:43):
the many of the cylons will go through their own
little civil war, and some will align themselves with the
colonial fleet, while the others will be against them. And
then at the end, what he says to shah Kara,
thrace will lead the human race to its end. She's
the herald of the apocalypse, harbinger of death. They must
not follow her. So when we pick up with Starbucks,
(51:04):
she says she knows the way to Earth and she's
going to take them there. And when they eventually do
get through Earth, it is a nuclear wasteland, and so
I assume that's what that's they're talking about. But they
do follow her there, and then eventually, at the end
of the show, she's the one that inputs the coordinates
that causes them to do their final jump to our Earth,
(51:28):
Earth too, Yes, Earth, two point zero. But I don't
know why he would be saying don't follow her there.
Speaker 3 (51:33):
I'm telling you he's a cylon. We can't trust him.
Speaker 2 (51:36):
Well, yeah, I just when they go through that stuff.
Do you have any other spoiler related things? I mean,
this doesn't much of this doesn't connect to Yeah.
Speaker 3 (51:44):
I don't like it. It has nothing to do with
the four that we have just discovered, or where their
journey is going or anything. So there's nothing that's going
to feel spoilery at this point.
Speaker 2 (51:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (52:00):
So no, I don't have to talk about I wanted
to know more about the care Trist thing, but apparently
it doesn't lead to anything in the future, so it's
just a bunch.
Speaker 2 (52:08):
Of bullshit calling. The first half of season four is
well Starbuck like trying to find or so yeah, I
think that's it then.
Speaker 1 (52:18):
All right, so saying we all thank you for spacing
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time we will cover the Battlestar Galacticas season four episode one.
He that believeth in me? We hope you will join us,
So say we all
Welcome to Spacing Out with BB and Jason this week
covering the Battlestar Galactica TV movie Razor.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Yes, welcome back.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
I'm BB and I'm Jason, and this is spacing Out
for today. We will be discussing Battlestar Galactica. You might
have heard of it. I've been doing this for a while.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Yeah, this is not just Battlestar Galactica. This is a
very special extended version of an episode called a movie.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
If you are new to the show, first of all.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Welcome, Also, weird place to start.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
And if you're watching Battlestar Galactica for the first time,
just know that we will have a spoiler section at
the end of the podcast where we are free to
talk about future events, but otherwise we won't be spoiling
anything past this movie, which is Battlestar Galactica Razor. This
was a TV movie and some places you will see
this listed as a season four episodes one and two.
(01:04):
If you're watching on Peacock, which is where Battlestar is
currently streamable, it is season three, episode twenty one, which
still falls in the same place, but just so you know,
and then we did watch an extended unrated cut of
the movie, but I will go into what the differences are.
I think most people will just have access to the
(01:26):
television edit. So this originally aired on November twenty fourth,
two thousand and seven. Written by Michael Taylor, directed by
Felix Enrique al Kala. The survivor count in this is
forty nine five hundred and seventy nine is significantly higher
than it has been lately because this is set in
season two. So in this movie, a series of flashbacks
(01:50):
reveals the chronicles of the Battlestar Pegasus and its crew
from the initial sign on attack on the Twelve Colonies
up to its meeting with the Galactica, while Apollo's new
Exo deals with the harsh reality of Admiral Kaine's legacy.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Vibe check. Did we like the movie overall? How does
it stand the test of time?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
So let's see it into When we thought.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
About it, I thought it was okay. I felt like
the position where they put it was a little weird
because I feel like it would have been a better
spot after right after Kane died. Yep, I know they
didn't have the means to do that right away.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yeah, I mean that is like, the single biggest note
that I have about this is like where it's placed
in the story. It's like, we're so far removed from
all this stuff with Pegasus and Admiral Kine that like
it kind of feels irrelevant to be watching it now.
And it also it interrupts all the momentum we had
from the season three finale going into season four, right right,
(02:49):
So with that, I would say that the ideal place
to watch this is in between season two episode seventeen,
The Captain's Hand and season two episode eighteen Downloaded. That's
kind of where it fits with the quote unquote current
day storyline of the Odama taking command of the Pigasus, right,
It's more chronological that way. Yeah, and watching it there
(03:12):
doesn't really give like doesn't mess up any spoiler things. Really,
there's a little bit of they talk about Starbuck being
what I am I gonna say they get, They drop
some hens about Starbuck future, kind of setting the tone
for season four. And you also you meet the Hybrid
for the first time in this movie if you place
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it there as opposed to immediate when Baltar goes to
the Xylon base ship. But I feel like it's a
fine introduction to the hybrid as well.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Right, I kind of like this hybrid better because it's
like older, more established, and you know that hybrids grow.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Yeah. It also like since it is a movie, I
don't think it works that well as like a standalone story.
Like you have to know a lot about Battle Star
Galactical already.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
I was gonna talk about that later because yeah, I
wanted to talk about that for sure, because it's not
They don't introduce anybody. They assume you know everything. You like,
the lingo, the ranks, everything is assumed that you already
know you're immersed in this world, and so there's nothing
to like introduce you into it. They just go hard
(04:20):
and fast with Battlestar Galactica all up in your face.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Yeah, this is definitely for the fans, Yeah, the new viewers.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
This is not a standalone movie at all.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
It's also relatively complicated with all the flashbacks. The whole
thing is kind of a flashback because of where it's placed,
and then there's like flashbacks within flashbacks. Yeah, but yeah,
I mean I still like it. I think it's a
good story to tell within Battlestar Galactica, and like I
like the individual pieces of it. It's more about like
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where it fits into the timeline. That's an issue. I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
It was hard to get into because it was so
like I don't know, because of the placement and because
of how the movie was set up. It's not my
favorite Battlestar Galactica thing. It's interesting, but it's not something
I would choose to watch if I had like an
hour and a half to kill Now.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
I've always after, like the first time I watched it,
I've always made sure to place it in season two
for story reasons, and it's always been a more enjoyable experience.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Trivia time. What facts could we uncover for Razor?
Speaker 2 (05:29):
So Universal Studios Home Video Department requested that the producers
make a one off, standalone TV movie that could be
released on DVD almost immediately after its initial broadcast on television, and.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
They did not deliver because it's not a standalone show.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
It's really not. I think you had one request to fulfill.
Due to the cliffhanger ending of season three, the decision
was made to set the story earlier in the timeline,
but would still help set up season four. The Razor
released on DVD on the SIMP fourth two thousand and seven,
just ten days after airing on TV, and an extended
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and unrated version was also included on the DVD set.
It is about fourteen minutes longer than the aired version,
and I will get into a moment what is included
in that. So a series of seven webisodes were released
online in the weeks leading up to the broadcast date.
These webisodes were worked into the extended cut of the episode,
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so we did not cover those separately because we were
watching them in the extended cut. So there were special
screenings held in eight US cities which were heavily attended
with lines around the block. And I read one post
somewhere that said because these screenings were sponsored by Microsoft,
like halfway through the screening, there was an interruption for
like an Xbox ad that was met with booze. Sci
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Fi dot Com allowed fans to choose the cover art
for the DVD release, and Ronald D. Moore and the
editors did a significant amount of re editing and reordering
of the scenes to tell you more linear story. While
the original script involved a lot more jumping around through time,
which I feel like it still jumps around a lot
through time, So I would not want to know what
that original cut was. So the significant differences with the
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extended cut is that there's a little more graphic violence
than they would typically show on television. In the commentary,
they said like they were excited about the idea that
they could actually do things that they couldn't typically do
on television. They could have more just like violence, sex, whatever,
but they kind of just decided not to because it
didn't feel like Battlestar when they did that. They wanted
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violent sex, violent comma sex.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Oh oh, well, it was implied with number six model
that they had on board after she was interrogated. We
know that she's going to go through stuff.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
So there's an additional monologue by the first Hybrid which
references the revelation for the final five Cylons, as well
as the boxing of Number three. These events are more
than a year in the future. In the timeline, an
extended version of the flashback to the first Cylon War,
a Dama is in battle with multiple Cylon raiders. He's
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forced to reject and continues fighting the Cylons in free
fall as he goes on to the ground, and then
he enters the Cylon Hybrid facility, which I believe is
where the TV edit starts then going to that facility,
so that whole sequence, there's a whole sequence in the
extended version of him doing a very green screen battle
with a Cylon falling down to the planet's surface, and
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that sequence, I believe was what the webisodes were comprised of.
And then the whole storyline, there's a whole storyline about
Admiral Kine as a young child losing her family during
the First Cylon War. That sequence is only in the
extended cut. And then there's a handful of other small
scenes that are included or extended on the extended cut.
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And now we have a section called Okay Boomer.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Okay Boomer, let's look at any connection to the original
Battlestar Galactica series.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
So we have some connections to the original series in
this and so in the flashbacks of the first Cylon War,
we see Cylon centurions, raiders, and bass stars that are
similar in design to those of the original series.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
They were bulky yep.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
The Cylon phrase by your command is from the original series.
And they also got the original vocoder that they used
to create the Cylon voices, a low coder. It's just
a little thing like distorts your voice.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Like the sing on Home Alone, No, No, it's in
Home Alone too, where he's like pretending to be the
uncle you remember.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Home too, So that was like something that slowed down
his voice. The Cylons in the original series were portrayed
by people in suits, but the ones and razor or
CGI and the colonial uniforms are also reminiscent of the
original series. They worked all those all those l elements
into that, implying that the First Silon War was visually
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similar to the original series.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Yeah, that's nice.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
That wraps up all.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Of trivia Deep Space Dive. Let's break down some of
our thoughts on the episode. You can share your thoughts
with us through email, Facebook, or Twitter. We may use
your comments on an upcoming episode.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
I really didn't like the time jumping.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Yeah, and it made trying to lay out the plot
kind of complicated.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Because it was like a dama was jumping back in time.
Then what's her name, the old head add Caine. She
jumps back in time, and then she jumps back in
time twice. Yeah, because she's dead, so we're back to
where she's alive. And then when she's alive, she's in
she's just starting the Cylon War, and then she remembers
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the last Cylon War, and I'm like, Jesus Christ, I'm
getting whiplash from all this time jumping and none of
it is in the present, or some of it is
in the present. I don't know. I am so confused
the President no, because I'm I'm just got I just
got off of watching four Cilons discover that they are cylons,
(11:20):
and they're commemorating over the fucking Jimmy Hendricks and Bob
Dylan and they're like, I love classic rock, and then
all of a sudden, we're talking about fucking paces, really peaces.
I don't know what the fuck is going on.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
I'm upset. Yeah, none of it's in the present of
the season four timeline, I don't.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
And then they introduce a new character and it's fucking
weird because nobody ever mentioned her before. She never seemed
like she made an impact, but apparently she was like
Cain's right hand man, and she promoted her to captain
(12:02):
and then all of a sudden, she went from captain
to peeling potatoes. How does that happen? Is it because
she shot civilians?
Speaker 1 (12:10):
No?
Speaker 2 (12:11):
After Cain died and those other dudes were in charge.
They were demoting her for insubordination.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
But she doesn't seem like she's insubordinate. She seems like
she loves the rules.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Well she didn't like those guys.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Wow. Yeah, she picked up some bad habits from Kine
because she didn't seem like that kind of person at
the beginning.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Speaking of the beginning, somewhere in this timeline, Leodama picks
Kindrishaw as his executive officer on the Pegasus, trying to
preserve continuity and leadership from the Pegasus crew that evolved
under Admiral Kine, and that triggers a flashback. Big surprise,
So we get to see the pylon attack on the
Colonies from the Pegasus perspective when they are going under repairs.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Oh yeah, and then they bail. They just bail. They're like,
back it up, back it up, close the doors close,
the hatch, back it up. I feel like, cant You
can see Kane as a coward in this in a way.
She's like not willing to like try to bring as
many people onto the Pegasus before she leaves. She's not saying,
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have everybody come in so we can go together. She's like, no,
don't let anybody know what we're doing. Just close the
hatch and let's run out. And I think that's coward
And it's obvious.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
That hers also nukes coming at them that they couldn't
devend against.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Sucks to suck, Yeah, it sucks to suck. She had
to make a hard decision, but I just don't think
it was the right decision at the time to like
not even warn people, Like you have like two minutes
to get to these doors and try to save as
many people as you can. But you can tell that
her priority is not to save people. And then when
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she finds out her girlfriend is a Cylon, which they
don't reveal right away, she's like helping them, like fix
the computers, and you know, has dinner with them and shit, yes,
and then all of a sudden, the Cylons enter they
the Pegasus encounters the Cylons again. I don't know when
this flashback happens. I'm so confused. I don't know. I
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feel like I want to talk about like the movie
chronologically as it should have happened, instead of by flashbacks,
but I am so confused about it that I don't
know how to talk about this movie.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Well, we can try that. We'll go through that.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Caine's experience and how it builds up homegirl Kendra Shaw,
because it really shapes her in a way, Like she
comes in all bushy eyed and big, I don't know
what the what is it called the analogy is tail that? Yeah,
she comes in and she's like, excuse me, excuse me?
(14:53):
Do you know where the cag is? And nobody wants
to talk to her. They're like, shut up, nube. And
then and she then we discover that there's a number
six on board, and she's actually nice and she's like,
let me show you the way I have the schematics
to this whole ship. And that's like a red flag.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
I'm just upgrading all the software. But don't keep that
in mind for future.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
No, don't think about it. Don't think about it. So
because we know who she is and we know where
she's going, that like immediate red flag, you're immediately like, oh,
you're going to be that silon that fucking gets ripped
to pieces and raped by all these soldiers later. So
great to see you all clean and nice for once.
(15:38):
This is the last time we'll see you like a human.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yeah, So that's like a reveal in this story because
when we meet Admiral Kine, they already have uh Gina
locked up, and we don't really know how they found
out that she was a silent or anything. We definitely
didn't know that the two of them were an item.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Yeah we did. There was illusions, there were You weren't
picking them up because you're a fucking sis straight man,
but there were there were there were moments where Cain
talked about Gina in a way that made you feel
like they had a deeper relationship than they had than
just like co workers. But this movie solidifies their relationship.
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And like, I don't know why the lesbians have to
be like bad guys. It sucks. But Cain is like
this militaristic minded leader and she gives an order I
don't right away. Like, so Kendrishaw shows up and she's like, siy,
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I'm late, and she's like, no, you were getting coffee, bitch,
because that's the only fucking reason you're late, right, Not
that you got lost in my incredibly massive modern ship
with no directions anywhere. There's no little signs that say
see I see in the breakroom or anywhere, you know,
and apparently.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
No one's allowed to stop and give you the.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Time of day, right, so, and it was funny that
like she was like, you know, escort her out and
show her where she's supposed to go. And then she said,
had a little breakfast snack or a little lunchtime snack,
talking about how she's eaten her up on her first day.
And that's so like brutal already she's not even they're
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not even not warr yet.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
This is just like a Monday.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
And then all of a sudden, bam, the Cylon's hit
and Kendra falls down and she's going through chalk, and
Caine's like get up and smacks her in the face
and saves her and then finds out that the guy
that was escorting her didn't make it, and they get
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their shit together and they get the fuck out. And
that was like Kendra's first like introduction to Cain. This
like hard and fast and like efficient leader. And I
don't know when when does Kane shoot that guy the
exo right away?
Speaker 2 (18:08):
It happens a little later, so we get so chaws
On that discovers the Cylons were about to infect the
Pegasus the virus, and then Kane gives like a big
speech that kind of rallies all the crew.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
And then they say so strange.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Yeah. So then later in the movie in the present day,
Starbuck and Shaw are having a little argument and Shaw
tells her that you shouldn't defy authority on this ship
and flashes back to when Kane shoots her executive officer
for refusing in order, which was crazy.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
She killed him with his own side arm.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Yes, which is a story we were told by Colonel
Fisk when he was drinking buddies with Tye. Oh yeah,
but here we actually see it happen. And then on
this mission, they're they're doing some sort of attack on
a cylon. I forget what they said. It was a
conversation or something, but on this mission, it's when they
discover the number six is the cylon Gina the cylon,
(19:09):
and they initiate the torture on her. Yeah, And we
see that guy that back in season two, Hilo and
Chief kill him accidentally, Yeah, because he was about to
do some bad things to Number eight. I was going
to rape her, yes.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Yeah. So it was really interesting to see how Kendra
or Captain Shaw or whatever her title is at this
moment in time discovers that Gina is a trader because
she sees the Cylon, she does a double take, and
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then she like realizes, okay, I gotta shoot this bitch.
She shoots her and she notices, okay, there's a camera
on her, and then she runs back to the CIC
where she told Gina to go to be safe, and
then she orders two of the people in the CIC
to apprehend her, and Cain is like, what the fuck,
(20:11):
No way, don't touch her. What's going on because that's
still her girl at this time, And she's like, no,
this bitch is a Cylon. They look like us. And
she's like, what do you mean, And she's like show
them the cameras and they cut to the camera and
immediately Caine changes and she's like, take this thing away.
And that was like so dramatic, and I did want
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to see that at the right time in the film,
in the in the way that this happened, Like, I
don't know, this movie was just confusing. It showed me
things I wanted to see within the realm of Battlestar Galactica,
but it was just so chaotic and confounding that I
just I couldn't even get into it.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
It definitely didn't have a good rhythm going because every
time you think the story is going to move forward,
someone has a thought that brings them back in time. Okay,
but I feel like she puts together really quick. The
cylons look like people, where I would have been like, huh,
that platinum blonde kind of looks like Gina, Right, I
have to tell her, here's a doppelga.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
All white people look the same to me, so I
wouldn't have even noticed. So that's like a whole thing.
And so I think that mostly covers well, no, And
then so that after they get attacked by the cylons,
they encounter a civilian ship, Oh yes, yes, and they've
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been depleted of supplies and personnel. And you can tell
that the EXO is really excited to encounter civilians because
he sees this as an opportunity to save people. Like
you can tell that's his intent and goal, which is
a good goal and a good intention. But Cain only
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sees resources. She's such a colonizer. She's such a colonizer.
She's like, I want a manifesto of their supplies and
their people, and we only take the people that we
can use. This is all about like production, what can
we do to make our mission of revenge and like
(22:24):
killing the Cylon threat or getting them back better, not
how can we save humanity?
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Yeah, And I feel like this is a change we
see in her because she has that meeting with all
her head crew members where she's like, hey, I said
this whole speech about revenge. I just want you guys
to know, like, I'm not trying to put people's lives
at risk to win this war. She's a liar, but
then she is, you know, feels very personally betrayed by
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the Cylons when she finds out that Gina is one
of them, and that's when I think she stops caring
about anything but taking them out.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Yeah, so Sea they raid those, well they try to.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
So they they're in this ship and they're in the
first ship and they're like, so our orders are to
take the supplies and take like twenty of you and
then leave the rest to you. And they're like, and
we need your FTL drive, which is the thing that
drives the ship.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
It's the it's how they jump right faster than light drive.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Right, So it's it's what drives them away, what you
can use to run away from cylons and get sick
to safety because if a cylon finds you and you
don't have an FTL drive, you're stuck in the water.
You're dead in the water. And the people are not
happy about this. They're like, no, you're supposed to help us.
You're the military, Like we pay you, like that's the
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whole purpose of the military. And they're like, no, our
orders are to take your shit, and Caine gives the
order to take it and to start shooting if anybody
gets in the way, Like if somebody doesn't want to
get on the boat, you fucking shoot their family members
until they get on the fucking boat. And we don't
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see this right away because they love playing with you
in this movie and they go back and forth and
then so we come back to this scene like maybe
two or three times because there's so many fucking flashbacks.
But what it ends up being is that Shaw takes
the first shot and she shoots a woman just straight
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in the face, and that ensues chaos and people die.
In the report that Lea Dama later quotes, he said
ten people died, but it looked like more just based
on the body pilot.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
This was also another thing that Colonel Fisk tells to
Colonel Tye and like he tells it very seriously, and
then he starts laughing as if it was just a
big joke.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Right because he was present for it.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Yeah, and then Colonel Tye goes to I was like, hey,
I think this really happened. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Yeah, and the fleet like she somehow Shaw shoots and
somehow blacks out, or she goes into her shock thing
that she does, and we later see Fisk touching her
shoulder and telling her, Hey, it's over. The fleet knows
what we've done here or what's happened. They don't say
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that what we've done. They say the fleet knows what happened,
and they're going to toe the line. They're going to
comply with our orders because they don't want to die.
And it reminded me of the episode in Battlestar Galactica
where they were in that ship where everybody was pushing
and one of the marines accidentally kills somebody. But this
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was intentional, and it's like so much worse. And I
can't believe Shaw was the one that did the took
the first shot. She drank the fucking cane kool aid.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Yeah, she's fully on the Cane train.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
But that affects her because like Caine, now sees her
as like one of her own and somebody she can trust.
And she gives her this gift of this knife that
she's had, and because if you didn't watch the extended cut,
you don't know what the fuck is up with the knife,
but apparently it's something that she used to defend herself
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during the first Sylon War after she fucking abandoned her
baby sister. Well she wasn't a baby, but it was
a little girl.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Yeah, so I don't apparently never sees her.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Again, Yeah, just has her little Dolly in hand. So
we don't know what happened to Kane's little sister. We
never will. But she has this knife now and I
think what it's supposed to represent for her is how
she can become hard and sharp and she can use
it to protect herself against enemies or perceived enemies, and
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she wants to that is her legacy. And she's passing
it down to Shaw, who then gives it to Kara,
which is weird because they had like a little druggy
bonding moment. I don't know that was significant that she
promoted her, and she because that was why Kendrashaw came
to Pegasus, was to move up on the ranks, to
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move on to bigger and better things. She saw it
as a stepping stone. And Caine saw that right away
and called her out for like using her position and
family to get to where she was, and she's like, well,
my mom's dead, and she's like, don't you fucking try
to use sympathy against me, you little bitch. And I
was like, what the fuck is going on? I was like,
(27:36):
I don't know what's happening. It's super Caddy in here,
And I thought it was a funny juxtaposition where Adama
is talking to Cain or Kendra Shaw and Shaw brings
up his lineage as a way for him to move up,
because she got the same spiel when she was like
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in the in Pegasus. At first. Yeah, it's like you baby,
says the NEPO baby, And I'm surprised that Adama didn't
say anything about that. It's like, don't call me, Look
who's your mom. But she's finally getting what she wants
from Kin, which is like mentorship, appreciation, rank and this legacy.
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And then we cut off from that because we don't like,
you know, we know what happens if we watch the show.
Pegasus eventually finds Galactica and there's like turf Wars all this,
and we never see Shaw again until this movie comes
up all of a sudden in the timeline.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Yeah, apparently Shaw is like just off camera all the time. Yeah,
she just walked out of the room before we cut
to the scene.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
She has ibs. But now that Adama, baby Adama is
handed the keys to the new car, he chooses her
and she's like, I don't want to be your exo
in a lot of ways, like I don't know you
and I didn't respect the last fuckers who did it.
And he's like, well, I like that you're it, and
(29:11):
she's like fine, and she I think she sees it
as an opportunity to redeem herself. And so when the
when Galactica and Pegasus lose, a couple of expedition people
like civilians are lost, which is a big deal for Galactica.
So the Adama Colonel Ladama asks Lee Odama to lead
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a rescue mission from the Pegasus to recover these civilians,
and then fucking Adama has a flashback and he remembers
the cylon, like, what is it like an experimenting room
like this weird human experimentation chamber. Yeah, and he's trying
(29:58):
to rescue these people and they specifically mentioned like they're
from like the Georgia or something. Which ship are they from?
Speaker 2 (30:07):
I forget the name of it.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Oh, it's not in your notes. Oh, but they like
really emphasize that. And I thought that was going to
be important later it's not. And I thought maybe he
was accidentally gonna like rescue Cylons because I thought Lee
opens in their bitch. But he has to run away,
and then we cut back to the present, so we
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don't know what happens with the people in the building
at all. We don't know if he's able to save
them or what happens. But all of a sudden, the
Silons retreat. Yeah, and that's weird. I guess they sign
up peace treaty and they have like intercoms, so they're like, hey,
we're done, come back home, back to the charging station.
So yeah, so Adama tells them, I've seen things. I
(30:51):
know what they're they're they're up to no good and
that's our people. We got to save them. And he's
like Okay, let me ask my so what she thinks
And he's like, are you sure you want her to
do that? Know her story? And then they flash back
to her shooting somebody, and then we fast forward and
Shaw and Kia don't get along initially, like Shaw is
(31:15):
always talking about how Kia talks too much, and Kia
is like that bitch has a stick of her ass,
back and forth, cattiness. I don't we need drama between
them so that later when they become friends and do
something together, it has more payoff.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Yeah, it was something technical, like Shaw changed the range
on the guns to be firing where it would hit
could hit the vipers.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Right, but they didn't. Yeah, they were fine. She got rescued.
So and so then they cut to Shaw injecting these
things into her body. They don't explain what it is.
It could be insolin, but Kiara assumes and makes us
as the audience assume that it's some sort of illicit
drug takes the edge off.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
And Shaw doesn't push back at all to make us
think it's not a recreational thing.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Yeah, so, I don't know. I thought that was kind
of weak, like explain it better or have her be
embarrassed by it, or do something with that. Have her
react in some way. She's a fucking actor. Have her act.
She's like a pup like I don't know. Sometimes she's
really woulden And I don't know if it's the accent
or the lack of like emotion in this character, but
(32:28):
it's just hard to like her because she doesn't have
any complex feelings until the end. Maybe they're like, Okay,
so we're going to take a raptor and we're going
to distract the Cylons and we're going to go on
a rescue mission and we're going to enter a Cylon
ship and we're gonna like do it in spacesuits, which
(32:50):
I didn't know they could do. Did they have little
thrusters on those things? Because they would have just been
floating out in space. They must have some sort of
mechanism to make it so I think Scassic can release.
They just farten up a storm. But they go in
and we're in a Silon ship, which should be more exciting,
(33:12):
but it's just really mundane.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Somehow, I feel like you don't get a good look
at this, Like they were probably shooting in not much
of a set.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Maybe I don't know, it was really rushed and really
like dirty and dingy, which hasn't been the same for
all the other Silon ships. But they explained that this
is like old school silent.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Yeah, this has been here since the first Cylon War,
right by these original Cylons.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
And I wish they would have made more callbacks to
like old sets if that was the case, and made
sure that we noticed them, like oh wow this say that,
say that, like show me it, like please take your time,
like this is we have an hour and a half.
You added more minutes to it anyway, so tell me
like damn that, Like I didn't know that the posters
(34:00):
could be rusty something. And they find their way around
very easily. They never get lost, And all of a
sudden they come to this place without a door that
has the humans in it, and I'm like convenient, and
they kind of freak out because they're like, oh, it
(34:20):
looks like they're experimenting, and they see like a severed
hand and shit, and the Dama's like, I told you so,
I've seen it before. I told you see it again,
and they're like trying to rescue them, and then all
of a sudden, the silence come in and they get
shot at, and Kia's like telling them, hey, we have
(34:40):
civilians and we need rescued, and Lea Dama's like, I
don't know if we can rescue you right now, and
then communication cuts off and then he's like, fuck it,
let's just shoot them. Let's let's like, we're not going
to rescue anybody. We're just gonna shoot the nukes and
get the fuck out of here. And Colonel Adama's like, no,
don't do that. He's like, give him a chance to
(35:05):
get out. They're like, let's keep trying to rescue them,
and let's keep trying to talk to them, and you
can tell the mood changes when they did get communication back,
and Kira's like, we gotta get out, y'all. Where's our
ride and he's like, oh yeah, it's on his way,
acting like he wasn't just about to murder all of them.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Thank god, the Admiral decided to tag along and baby sit.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Right, and he gave orders and they listened to them.
They're like, don't do that.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Don't don't don't don't do that.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Don't do what Lee Abdama said. And so they get
a raptor and they find out, well, okay, so Sha
gets shot while they lose one guy in the firefight
between the cylons, and then Shaw gets shot and she's
kind of like saying her goodbyes. She's like, I'm gonna
go out like a g Let me do the detonation
(35:57):
like I can do it. And I don't know who
they were going to get to do it before her
or after her.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
It sounds like he was ordering Starbuck to do it,
which does not seem like something Lee would do.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Right, nobody would order Starbuck to do that because everybody
loves Starbuck and they want her back. And yeah, so
Shaw tells Starbuck, I'm gonna stay back. You take my knife.
It was thing that Caine gave me, and I think
you're just like me. So here's this thing I got
that I carry around and let me stay behind. And
(36:31):
Starbucks like, bet, I don't have to die bye, and
they get on their transport and leave. And this is
the weirdest part. When Shaw is back on the Silon ship,
she grabs her little backpack with a nuclear head in it,
and she walks around and all of a sudden, she
somehow manages to get through another place with no door,
(36:56):
and there's a fucking entity there, and it's the hybrid
talking his mess, doing his business, and he's like, I
know you, bitch, I seen your life, which is creepy,
and I don't understand it. If he can see the
individual lives of humans, why how is that relevant to anything?
She has no impact other than destroying you. Is that
(37:20):
why she's relevant? I don't understand. But that to me
slows down her heroic journey a lot, like she should
have just like pooped and died and hit the button
right as they were leaving, and we didn't need the
hybrid shit, But they wanted to add that Starbuck was
a danger thing like Starbuck is a problem. I didn't
(37:41):
get it.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
I didn't care for it, which is only a thing
that they're really telling us the audience, because she doesn't
get to tell that to the Vegasus or anything.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
So and apocalypse for who? Maybe it's the apocalypse for
the Cylons and not actually people, so like maybe she's
a threat to the Cylon race and not to humans,
So like, how am I supposed to trust you as
a Cylon entity? I don't know. That whole business just
upset me and I didn't like it. I liked the
(38:12):
hybrid as a character, like he was old and crusty
and he had like a booger. It was cool, but
I don't know nostrils. Yeah, but I don't know why
it was relevant for Shaw to interact with the Hybrid
right before she blew up the place. We could have
had another flashback to a Dama meeting the Hybrid or
(38:34):
something else, and then that would have been even more
confusing and way better. I don't know. It was weird.
It was weird, but they basically like rescue like two
and a half people and lost two, so they like
came out. Even so, it's like, what was the mission
for I don't know for Leodama's first pegas's mission, it wasn't.
(38:56):
I wouldn't call it a success unless you call them
destroy in Asylent base ship successful, which I guess is.
But yeah, it's not even the main cylons they're fighting.
It's just like some random people.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
It took out some antiquated technology. Good job team. I'm
just trying to scroll through this jumble mess of a timeline,
see if we missed anything. Oh yeah, so I think
that's it. It ends with Admiral Dama and Leodama talking
the Admiral wants to do a posthumanist combination for Kindredshaw,
while Leodama is still a bit torn up that she
(39:30):
was part of that massacre. And it just kind of
ends with them saying like, well, we're going to write
the history how we want.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
That was weird. I thought that Colonel Adama or Admiral
Adama would have been against like commemorating the spirit of
somebody so complicated. But I guess her last action was
the action that counts. And I don't know, I don't know,
I don't I just it's hard for me to think
(39:57):
that Adama would be okay with Aleen civilians to the
point where it's like we can rewrite history. It's no
big deal. It doesn't seem like an Adama thing to do.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Yeah, but he might be looking at like, you know,
everyone has a past and like this is the Kindreshaw
that I knew, and that's what I'm going to write about, right,
And it sounds like they might be doing conflicting reports.
I don't know. I'm not sure what lead's going to
turn out.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
I don't either, I don't know. We don't get captain's
logs in this universe, so we don't know what the
start date is or nothing. But I don't even know
who they report to, to be honest, but they that
was an interesting, like little tidbit that said, we are
the ones who start the history, like history comes from us.
(40:46):
And that's a fair point. But I think you should
be able to tell the full story without like because people,
even people have their pasts, but that shapes who they
are and we should acknowledge that. Not acknowledging the past
is a surefire way of repeating it, And that, to
me is dangerous and irresponsible and foolish to be like, oh,
(41:09):
she's better now she's dead. It's like, no, her legacy
is still like this very like complicated thing that shouldn't
be like commemorated without being fully transparent about who she
was and what she did. It'd be like celebrating Hitler
for his paintings.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
No, you know what I mean, Like I do wonder like,
is this commendation that he's recommending does that have to
do partially with trying to unite the crew? Still they were.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
Gonna do that, then they should have said that, because
it's not clear. It's just like, oh, she did something nice,
let's give her something nice, and I like that lisaid
she wasn't in it for the metals. She was peeling
potatoes when I found her, like you know, and she
was probably happy just peeling potatoes, stay out of trouble,
not like trying to like do penance or what she did.
(42:05):
And I wish they would have shown more of that
from her as a character, like the remorse and the like,
because she didn't show a lot of remorse in any
scene after the scene where Fisk is like it's.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Over right, other than like admitting that she wants to
be forgiven for it when she's talking to the hybrid.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
Right, and that again, that was all weird and bullshitty.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
I don't know why she I don't know why you
need it from that guy.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
I don't know why she didn't just shoot him like
she shot that number six model just for you know,
like that would have been interesting. I'm gonna nuke you,
but before I knuke you, let me shoot you. I
don't know. That interaction was weird, but she her sacrifice
like obviously helped the cause, but I don't I don't
(42:55):
understand the reaction afterwards. It was really complicated and it
didn't get the time necessary to really like give us
real closure. I think the writing was black there a
little bit. I feel like this was a rush job anyway.
Paramount plus or who has Taurus Universal Universal said jump
and they're like, Okay, we got like a lot of jumps,
(43:18):
a lot of time jumps. Get ready baby.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
Well, I mean they put a lot of work into it,
Like they had to rebuild these sets for the Pegasus.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
Right, and those those doors that open like blinds were
probably a pain in the ass. They probably really wanted
to showcase those.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
Yeah, I thought, you know, like we this movie, like
Kindrickshaw is definitely like the main character of it. It
would been interesting if she didn't die at the end
and they'd found a way to like work her into
season four and like make this whole story a little
more relevant to like going forward.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
Or what if she was a Psylon two something something.
But yeah, no, they just it's like a one off character.
It's I don't know, but it was funny. I thought
about this and she was talking about how she didn't
respect those last two because one of them was a
black market dealer, and I'm like, oh, I remember Lee
(44:11):
was hanging out at the black market with that prostitute
and her kid. Do you respect him? Oh?
Speaker 2 (44:20):
That was weird.
Speaker 3 (44:21):
I was like, that's interesting. I guess nobody found out
about that. Lee you got lucky.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
Well Lee was just there on his own, like Fisk
was in command of the Pegasus and like working with
a black market. Yeah, so yeah, that was a lot
of stuff. Any other thoughts on this, Like it's a
weird mix of like like I didn't watch through season
two and think like, oh, there's a lot of story
(44:47):
missing here that I need filled in, and then watching this,
I'm like, oh, I'm glad we got to experience some
of this. Some of it and some of it's not
that necessary. Yeah, I think there is like a lot
of good parts. So this.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
I wouldn't want to watch the extended cut again, honestly
because I got really pissed off when I saw Dama
as a young man in that like CGI world. I
really hate that. I just I also didn't like that
they chose a white actor with blue contacts. Again, But
I don't know, I don't understand, we've seen this guy
(45:23):
before young like he's had a very long career in acting.
But Adama, I guess, is a white man, so he
had to be a white young man, but it's Edward
James almost. Did you think that the young guy that
played uh Dama looked like him?
Speaker 2 (45:39):
Kinda? I mean he was definitely like trying to sound like.
Speaker 3 (45:42):
He definitely tried to sound like him.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
His name is Nico Cortes.
Speaker 3 (45:47):
So they did pick up maybe a Spaniard. Maybe he's
like on the light side of the Latino scale.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
Yeah, I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (45:54):
I didn't just let him be Latino. I'm still upset
about that. They could have just let him be Latino
and had a Latino like son and it could have
been like a progressive casting. Oh well, that's just old stuff,
all right.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
Already to move on, astral Queen.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
Who was the standout character in the episode?
Speaker 2 (46:19):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (46:19):
Who's your astral Queen?
Speaker 2 (46:21):
I mean, for this, like the only characters with real,
real significant screen time or Kindri Shaw had Rocaine and
the Damas.
Speaker 3 (46:30):
I feel like.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
Start like that.
Speaker 3 (46:32):
I think it's kind of Shaw.
Speaker 2 (46:34):
Yeah, that's that's where I'm at with it.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
So let's do that, even though she's just going to
have like two votes and she's never going to get
another vote because she's not in any other episodes or
other things at all.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
Yeah, but I mean she's the one that saves them,
I guess so yeah, but she's not in it for
the metals, so we won't be sending anything. But we
do have is a look at the Astral Queen from
season three. Believes it one overall and he guesses Starbuck.
It is not Starbuck. What it is the Nepo baby
(47:08):
himself Leadama.
Speaker 3 (47:09):
Oh, his dad got him to that, and I believe
it was really like the last couple episodes of the
court Case.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
I think we picked him both for both episodes. So
four of those votes twenty episodes plus the webisodes counted
in there means that there was forty two votes possible.
So Apollo had five and was at the top, and
the Admiral is behind him with four votes, and then
with three votes there was Starbuck, Baltar d Sharon, Chief Tyrol, Helo.
(47:41):
The two votes there's Gaeta tie Kat Duck and Ellen
Tye and one vote there's Calli Doc Cuddle, Bulldog Deanna
number three and Romo Lampkin.
Speaker 3 (47:52):
Wow, what a season.
Speaker 2 (47:53):
Did not know Apollo was going to come out on top.
So the Astral Queen overall is still Starbucks. Starbuck with
fourteen points, and behind her is Baltar with twelve points,
and then right on his heels is Sharon and Duala
at eleven points. So that's where the standings are overall.
As we head into the new season, we'll see if
(48:15):
Starbuck can hold the lead that she's had the entire show.
So that brings us to the end of the main
part of this episode. We will of course be going
into the spoiler section and be talking about things that
come in season four. So if you don't want to
hear about any of that, this is the time to
stop listening and we'll see you next time for season
(48:36):
four episode one. He that believeth in me?
Speaker 3 (48:39):
That's not a godly reference at all. Let's put our
living stereo stylist in this group.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
Brace for impact the spoilers ahead. If you haven't seen
the whole series, now is the time to say goodbye.
Remember you can contact us at Spacingoutpod at gmail dot com,
find us on Facebook and Twitter, share your thoughts and
be a part of the discussion. Spoilers in five four
(49:09):
three two one All.
Speaker 2 (49:11):
Right, spoiler section. So the hybrid says a lot of
things that some of it has already happened, and some
of it hasn't yet, So it's going to go through
some of the words that he's spewing out. Okay, as
soon there will be four glorious and awakening struggling with
the knowledge of the true selves. That is obviously talking
about the four Cylons we just awoke on the previous episode.
(49:35):
It goes on the pain of revelation, bringing new clarity,
and in the midst of confusion, he will find her.
Not clear when he says he will find her. Is
it like Colonel Tie will find Ellen Tie or Apollo
will find Starbuck. I'm not sure what exactly that is. Then,
enemy is brought together by impossible, longing enemies now joined
as one the way forward at once unthinkable yet inevitable.
(49:58):
I believe that has to do with the fact that
the humans and the Cylons will start working together to
find earth some of the Cylons that is, and the fifth,
still in shadow, will claw towards the light, hungering for
redemption that will only come in the howl of terrible
suffering that is the fifth Cylon. I can see them all,
the seven now six self described machines who believe in
(50:22):
themselves without sin, so that being the seven cylons that
were known that are now six because number three has
been boxed. But in time it is sin that will
consume them. They will know in any bitterness, the wrenching
agony of one splintering into many, and then they will
join the promised land, gathered on the wings of an
angel on an end. At the beginning, so sponsoring in
(50:43):
the many of the cylons will go through their own
little civil war, and some will align themselves with the
colonial fleet, while the others will be against them. And
then at the end, what he says to shah Kara,
thrace will lead the human race to its end. She's
the herald of the apocalypse, harbinger of death. They must
not follow her. So when we pick up with Starbucks,
(51:04):
she says she knows the way to Earth and she's
going to take them there. And when they eventually do
get through Earth, it is a nuclear wasteland, and so
I assume that's what that's they're talking about. But they
do follow her there, and then eventually, at the end
of the show, she's the one that inputs the coordinates
that causes them to do their final jump to our Earth,
(51:28):
Earth too, Yes, Earth, two point zero. But I don't
know why he would be saying don't follow her there.
Speaker 3 (51:33):
I'm telling you he's a cylon. We can't trust him.
Speaker 2 (51:36):
Well, yeah, I just when they go through that stuff.
Do you have any other spoiler related things? I mean,
this doesn't much of this doesn't connect to Yeah.
Speaker 3 (51:44):
I don't like it. It has nothing to do with
the four that we have just discovered, or where their
journey is going or anything. So there's nothing that's going
to feel spoilery at this point.
Speaker 2 (51:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (52:00):
So no, I don't have to talk about I wanted
to know more about the care Trist thing, but apparently
it doesn't lead to anything in the future, so it's
just a bunch.
Speaker 2 (52:08):
Of bullshit calling. The first half of season four is
well Starbuck like trying to find or so yeah, I
think that's it then.
Speaker 1 (52:18):
All right, so saying we all thank you for spacing
out with BB and Jason. You can help us out
by subscribing and leaving a positive rating or review. Next
time we will cover the Battlestar Galacticas season four episode one.
He that believeth in me? We hope you will join us,
So say we all
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