July 23, 2025 • 24 mins
Welcome to Spacing Out With BB and Jason! We’re covering the 2004 reboot of Battlestar Galactica, and this week we’re discussing season 4 episode 8, “Sine Qua Non”. Thanks for joining us!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Spacing Out with BB and Jason this week
covering Battlestar Galactica Season four episode eight, sine Kwannon.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Ye, welcome back.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
I'm Babe and I'm Jason, and welcome to spacing Out
or today we will be discussing the one and only
Battlestar Galactica.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Well it's not the one and all.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
I just start myself, I'm like, well No. One of
several Battlestar Galacticus. If you're new to the show, welcome,
and you should know. We're gonna have a spoiler section
at the end of the podcast where we are free
to discuss any future events in the series, but otherwise
we won't be spoiling anything past this episode, which is
Battlestar Galactica Season four, episode eight, sinne Kuwannon. This aired
(00:51):
on May twenty seven, two thousand and eight, Written by
Michael Taylor, directed by Rod Hardy. The survivor count who
is thirty nine six seventy four, which is an addition
of one last time we do not know who was.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Added unimportant colonizer.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
In this episode, Lea dama enlists Romo Lampkin to search
for a temporary replacement for President as Laura Roslin has
assumed kidnapped.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
And vice President is not good enough.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Athena is sent to the brig for killing the Number
six Natalie, and after it is revealed that Kaprica six
is pregnant with Colonel Tye's baby, Tye and Admiral Dama
get into a physical fight, and then in order to
not risk the safety of the fleet, Admiral Adama stays
behind and the Raptor hoping for Roslin's return while the
fleet jumps away.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Right, So to me, that was like, did we really
need a new leader then? Because the only thing that
was impeding Zerk from taking power was a Dama and
now a Dama's out of the picture. So did we
really have to go through all that?
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Seems like not because I don't know, Tie didn't seem
to be that objective to the president, right, he was
taking his phone calls.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Yeah, Vive check. Did we like the episode overall? How
does it stand the test of time?
Speaker 2 (02:16):
It's okay, it's not like great, but it's definitely movings
along and giving us some character development and has one
of the best fight scenes I've seen between two old men.
So that's pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
I guess they hit each other hard. Yeah, that first
punch from Tie.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Yeah, don't bring going into this straight iconic exactly what
we want to see.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
I wonder if he's got that like extra cylon strength
that looked like Torri had.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Now that he's aware. Yeah, maybe I was wondering if
his ma if his fist hurts like steel, like he's
got Wolverine bones or something.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
I don't think that's how it works. There's still blood
and guts as we saw on the operating table. Oh yeah, yeah.
I like the episode. It's a little slower, but still drama. Yeah,
a lot of drama, a lot of anger from the
Admiral all different people as he's trying to process the
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loss of Roslin. And I found Romo Lampkin to be
a little more interesting, I guess, a dynamic character in
this as we kind of got some character development for him,
and he's not just this kind of oddball guy that
speaks weirdly.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
He's a lawyer, so I don't care for him too much.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
No, just kidding, he's still in it for the money.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Yeah, he's definitely interesting.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
And we got a surprise return of Jake the Dog,
so not Finn the human, no.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Trivia time, What facts could we uncover for sune kwannon?
Speaker 3 (03:56):
All right, trivia? I only have one little piece of trivia,
and that's the title of the episode. Does sinnequannon which
is Latin and means without which not? And what that
means is basically just something that is absolutely essential, like.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Your iPhone or what I don't get it.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
I wrote down what I found on Google, which is
chocolate chips. Are the sinnequannon of chocolate chip cookies? When
does the sinnequannon for flying a kite? Okay, so it's
something that you can't Yeah, you get it.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Sinny quannon. It sounds like something you would say. It
doesn't sound Latin to me. It sounds like a Jamaican
proverb like s quanna man, Like you know, that was
terrible Jamaican accent.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
It sounds like a legal term, you know, like quid
pro quo.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Oh, yeah, of thing.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
What it means in this episode, I don't really know.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
I guess maybe it talks about Laura's relationship with a
Dama and how he can't live without her.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
There you, I was wondering what it was. I just
it didn't jump out to me as obvious but that
makes sense.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Yeah without which not.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Because he's not going to go on without her.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Yeah, very romantic.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Deep space dive. Let's break down some of our thoughts
on the episode. You can share your thoughts with us
through email, Facebook, or Twitter. We may use your comments
on an upcoming episode.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
So I didn't realize we were going to see number
six Natalie alive at the beginning of this episode. I
think last time I gave her a posthumanous award in
the Astal Queen.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
But yeah, I was surprised she was living in this
episode for so long.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
For a moment, I thought like, oh, does she survive this?
But no, we just see the trauma of her dying
holding dot Coddle's hand.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
So sweet. I really like that little detail of him
holding her hand, you like, reach us out to her.
He's the last person she sees. And then she goes
into their silon afterlife greenery somewhere, some park somewhere I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Well, she's she's projecting the thing that cylons do where
they can see a different surrounding.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Oh yeah, I forgot they could do that.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Yeah, So she's like, I just don't want to be
in this operating room. In my last moments.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
That's fair.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
That's so they tend to always go to a forest
for some reason, but it's.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Cheap to film outside and look in the grass. Where
would you project to?
Speaker 3 (06:24):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
I know exactly where. I would project to the beach
in California. That's where I would project, so, like, while
I'm at work, i'd just be like surrounded by a
beautiful beach. Oh, that'd be iconic.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Oh, I thought you meant like when dying, Oh.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
When dying, Oh, when dying, I would project to a beach. Yeah,
I'm more of a beach bitch than a mountain hoe.
Mountains are great too, though, Like they're cool, but they
don't have beach.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Well, I would project to a mountain side that does
have a beach.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Oh that sounds dangerous, but I guess you can have
it all.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Jason, Yep, Dama's so mad in this episode. Vers he's
mad at Athena.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Oh yeah, he gives it to her. He's like, you
disappointed me? Did you want to break this alliance? Or
you just fucking stupid? And I was like whoa? And
she didn't have a good excuse either.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
He's like, I had a vision and he's like.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
God, damn it, I'm tired of hearing about visions. Laura
won't shut up about him.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Everyone has a vision these days.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Right, And there's so much speculation about what's going on
in the Quorum because they're like baltert stole her. No,
it was the cylons, and they're like talking about what
the fuck just happened, and they're not really in the know.
It's all hearsay. Yeah, but it's pretty accurate.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
But so with Athena, you know, a dama puts her
in the brig and she doesn't want to be separated
from her child, but he's like, the Brig's no place
for a child, so he does separate them. But at
the end of the episode, when he tells Ty to
reunite them, what Ty does is just put the baby
in the brick.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
I thought that was so funny. I thought that was
so funny, Like, so the baby is in prison, what's
going on? That was wild?
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Yeah, Oh my god. He was a very literal man.
He's like fit. So yeah. The Dama is also really
mad at Tie because he finds out that Ty has
been dip.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
He got caught with his hands in the cookie jar.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Yeah, he's getting the Cylon pregnant, which.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
You I didn't know he had the capability of doing that.
I guess men are built different, yep.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
But also that that's two cylons making a baby, just
you know what they were trying to do early in
the series, the Cylons were trying to procreate yep. So yeah,
so they have their fight sequence and.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
There were some angry words said during that or right
before it. Yeah, like he's like, what what Ellen is
say about you getting a fucking skin job pregnant? He
literally said fracking though, but you know, he literally said
the curse word, and I was like, oh. And then
Colonel Tis like, don't you bring my wife and dog us?
(09:17):
And that's what like set him off, and he started
he just like straight up sucker punched a Dama, and
Adama's like, oh, fuck, you ain't taking this shit line down.
You're not gonna do this to me on my ship,
on my house, and he's already pissed off about everything else,
so he's like beating him up. And then it's so good,
so so great, and then fucking Colonel Tye like throws
(09:40):
him on the desk where he works on his ship,
and then they end up like one of them's on
the couch and he's like, all right, I'm done. I
don't know. It was weird, like they got in a
fight and then later they're like acting like it never happened.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Yeah, I just had to come the blows. And then
they're both like, well, we're too old to solve it
this way, so I guess.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Cool, Well we need each other too, or Adama realized
he needs Colonel Tye in order to leave the fleet,
he has to leave it in his hands, and Colonel
Ty's like, are you sure, man, because the last time
I kind of beefed it. Oh man, I don't know.
(10:22):
Now they don't have Laura, and they won't have a dama.
What's going to happen to the fleet?
Speaker 3 (10:28):
As soon as they jump away from a dama. He's like,
martial law. I love that, Like the model ship? Has
this become a joke? Now he's breaking it all the time.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
You can't finish that shit? Oh god. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Adama's also I don't know, he's necessarily like mad at Zeric,
but he won't even talk to Zeric or considers.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Eric because if he does, that kind of acknowledges that
Laura is no longer alive or in power. Yeah, I
think part of it is that, and then another part
of it is that he never liked that guy. Nope,
and so that puts there it in a really awkward
position of trying to lead without any power. And Baby
Adama's like, well, what if we just put somebody else
(11:14):
in power? And he's like, let me go off on
my side quest to get let me get the whiteboard
and rally up the troops to make a list and
check it twice. And we're in some pretty basic quarters,
some quarters we don't really get to see normally, and
what's his name, Romo Romo's quarters, which he says he
(11:37):
got those quarters by taking Baltar's case because it has
a really tiny window. He wants a bigger window. And
I thought that was really fun and interesting to see
like an insight on this guy and like see how
he lives. And I don't know, sometimes his train of
thought is weird, but I thought it was interesting that
he was cool enough to approach a Dama personally, like
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what's going on my man?
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Right? Like most people would be scared to walk up
and just start talking to him.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Mmmm. So it's very interesting that he's trying to figure
out who should be in charge, and he kind of
comes to the conclusion that it's obviously Leodama. And then
there was this whole side thing about his cat. He
wasn't feeding his cat, his cat was sick or something,
and then all of a sudden, the cat was dead.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Yeah, so when you were seeing the cat in the episode,
that was all on his head, like the cat had
been dead for weeks.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Ew how come he didn't smell it in his little
tiny room. You would have been able to smell that
in a duffel bag, he would have. Yeah, dead cats steak. Oh,
that's fucked up. Is he okay in the head?
Speaker 3 (12:45):
I mean, I mean he's definitely. He's dealing with trauma,
dealing with that grief.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
And survivor's guilt.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Yeah, that cat was like the last thing connecting him
to his family. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
I would hate that.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
I would hate that.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
And now he's taking care of the dog because that's
totally logical that he murdered or somehow like a cat
was not okay in his I don't know how the
cat died, but for him to keep the cat for
that long after it died, I don't know if I
would run off and get this guy a new pet
right away.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
I'd be like, see how you do with like a fish,
you know what I mean? I don't know, like is
he going to be able to take care of a dog.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
It's not clear how the cat died, but he says
like they killed the cat, so I don't know who.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
That makes me feel like he's more mentally unstable. Like
I'm not saying people who have mental issues shouldn't have pets,
but they should be able to take care of the pets.
And if the pets pass away for some reason, they
should be able to dispose of the body within a
reasonable amount of time and not hold onto the corpse
because that's unsanitary. And if you did have other pets,
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that would probably get them sick. So I don't know, man,
I don't know. If i'd give that guy a dog
right away, it'd be like, maybe you can talk to
Doc Coddle and see what's going on.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
So like a cat, I can see, like they just
have a litter box, But where do you take the
dog to do their business?
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Right? Maybe there's like an AstroTurf dog park in the
middle of every ship, Maybe like a four by four
square where all the dogs shit and piss that gets
cleaned regularly with the hose.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
They don't have the Cloud nine chip the big outdoor
gardens face, but you wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Be able to take your dog there whenever it needed
to go outside anyway, so there'd have to be like
a dog promenade or something.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Yeah. Yeah, if you don't remember, Jake the dog was
on New Kaprica and they had to dog bowl. That
was part of the symbol for whether there's a message
they flip over the dog bowl.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Yeah, Felix was a big part of that.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
That poor dog was just swarming some food and everyone's
turning his bowl upside.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Down or water. Just want some water, man or dog.
Hopefully Romo will remember to feed the cat or the dog.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
It does feel like they were just trying to find
a way to make Leodama president. Like he's he got
moved from the military to the presidency pretty quick here.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Yeah, talk about nepotism.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Yeah, your dad already gave you a battle star and
he broke that.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
He literally like smashed it and ran and now you've
been given the presidency. Good luck, don't fuck it up.
I still feel like they did all that FORNT because
literally the one person who was opposing Xak's command was
literally chose to exile himself away from the fleet.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Yeah, I agree, if they had just taken like a
few more hours trying to decide, like.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Like okay, well wait a minute, wait a minute, I
don't think we need to do this anymore. Guys.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Meanwhile, Xax's just sitting in his office brooding over how
no one will let him be president.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Right, He's pouting, He's trying so hard. He had a
legitimate claim to the presidency. And because one guy was
like fuck you dude, he's like not it. The like
legal gymnastics they had to do to like make him
vice president again is ridiculous. I feel like it'd be
harder to replace the vice president who becomes the president
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than a regular president in some cases. That's crazy. Anything
else do you want.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
To talk about?
Speaker 3 (16:27):
I just had a quick mention that, like, this is
the first time they've ever mentioned anything about having artificial
gravity on their ships, and the show doesn't get bogged
down a lot with like technical explanations of stuff like
but I'm always curious, like how does that work? And
so when Racetrack was checking out that raptor. She's like, oh,
the gravitational fields down, so they are generating it somehow.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
It was cool to see Racetrack going out there and
doing exploration or whatever. The CGI stuff was really good
in this episode. Yeah, base Walk, Yeah, I enjoyed.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Racetrack has had like so many close calls before that,
Like I got really nervous when she would have to think,
I think some explode.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
I know it, She's not gonna make it.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
So how do you feel about the episode being like
one one side of the story, Like we don't see
what happens to Roslin, Baltar and all them, Like we're
just seeing what happens in their absence.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
I kind of like it because it lets us focus
on the aftermath of what's happening, and it's their reality
that they don't know. So I like that we're living
in their reality of unknown.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Yeah, we have the same point of view as the characters.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Yeah, So I think that was like a good balance
of like creating suspense and drama because we understand where
everybody's coming from about all of this uncertainty because we
don't know either. So I like that. I like that
a lot. Sometimes it's fun to see like, I know
that she's okay or oh my god, the fucking silence
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took her. But this, this gives me more entertainment as
an audience member to not what do you think? You agree?
Speaker 3 (18:10):
I agree? And so we leave with Admiral Adama sitting
alone in the void of space, which I think would
be terrifying for most people.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Yeah, he's like, I did this as my first recommission,
so I don't have a big it's no big deal.
He's gonna wait for his woman.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
I hope he brought some snacks.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
He probably brought his modelship.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Well, no, he's reading that book that's half burned, which
if you're following that book, Roslin took it with her
to the Bay Star and then it shows up in
that raptor. All right, I think we can move.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
On Astral Queen. Who was the standout character in the episode?
Speaker 3 (18:50):
So who stood out in this episode? I feel like
the main characters are Adama, Adama and Romo Lampkin Colonel Tye.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Yeah, I'm going to give it to Senior Adama for
taking a hit and staying behind.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Yeah, I was also thinking of the admiral. It seemed
to be the story seems to be about his emotional journey,
trying to process everything that happens. The Leadama story like
it's okay, but I still just it feels like as
humble as they tried to make him through the episode,
he's still the guy that was like, I think we
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should look for a new president and then ends up
selecting himself.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
I mean, they try to show us how much he
doesn't want it, but seems like he kind of does.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
So, yeah, I think the admiral is a better choice.
And he's openly admitting his feelings for Laura Roslin.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
To the public even Yeah, I like that, even like
consulted Doc Coddle about like what are her chances? How
is she going to react without her treatment, And he's
like telling him like, well, at first she's going to
feel great and then slowly but surely she'll die. And
Adama doesn't like that, and he's like, I need to
get her back. She needs to get back into her
tree Man, she needs to survive.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Yep. So that is two awards for Admiral Adama.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
All Right, you ready for the spoiler section of this episode.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Yeah, so that is the end of the main part
of the episode. We are going to go into spoilers,
so if you don't want any spoilers for the rest
of the season, then you are free to leave. Now.
The next episode we are covering is called The Hub.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Sounds like a cool hangout joint for teens.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Yep, we'll be getting some burgers and milkshakes.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Yeah, that sounds so good right now, I'm so hungry.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Let's put our living stereo stylist in this group.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Brace for impact spoilers ahead. If you haven't seen the
whole series, now is the time to say goodbye. Remember
you can contact us at Spacingoutpod at gmail dot com,
find us on Facebook and Twitter, share your thoughts and
be a part of the discussion. Sil five four three
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two one.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
So this is the first Sylm pregnancy, and we already
know because we're in the spoiler section that Ellen Tie
is the other Cylon, which means that Colonel Tie and
Ellen Tie could never have a child because they were Silons.
But all of a sudden, Colonel Tie has a Cylon
baby with number six. But apparently that baby does not
come to full term and it is miscarried.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Yep, which is that yes, it is, and that will
mean that Tara retains the title of the only hybrid child.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Right, but they still haven't revealed that Little Benji is
a little bit bastard.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Oh Nikki, Yeah, whatever his name.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Is, little Nikki. I'm ready for that Tita spill fucking
Calli and her spoiled milk smell.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
He did her so dirty hot Dog was into it.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Doug was sent to it, but the hot Dog was
into it.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Oh yeah. So the next episode we get to see
the other side of this story, what's happening on the
Bay Star with Roslin and Baltar and the Hyperilons. Yeah,
which I think is a kind of a fun way
to put these episodes together.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Yeah, I'm excited for a Baltar episode where he's going
to be like frantic and be like, ah, where are we?
And I'm sure Laura is going to be like the
stoic leader that she always is, and she's going to
be calm and cool and collected, and she'd be like
taking charge. So I'm really excited to see that. And
then don't they have like a bunch of pilots with them, Yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:49):
They do, Yeah, because that's that was part of the
issue that they were short on pilots in this episode.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Because she decided to bring them with her on her excursion.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Yeah, and they got Heilo there too.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Yeah. Good thing is baby safe in that jail cell.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Yeah, so Lee, he's gonna he's gonna remain in the presidency.
And sometimes my memory of season four is kind of
a blur, even though I really like this season. I
think that's partially just because it is really long. Yeah. Well,
it's structured, is just like a very serialized story, so
it's hard to remember how everyone gets all these different points,
(23:24):
but I remember them being at these kind of milestone parts.
But eventually, when Lee I think, has to step down
and go on a mission near the finale, he appoints
Romo Lampkin as the president in the interim, so they
just keep passing that torch between the good old boys.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Instead of having a fair and like honest election.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Huh, they'll get to it. Yeah, we're getting close to
the mid season finale, which we'll have some big reveals
in it. So that's that's only two episodes away, and
then we'll probably be on a bit of a hiatus
before we come back for the back half of season four.
I should also mention between the two halves of season four.
(24:06):
We'll touch on the web series titled The Face of
the Enemy, which aired between the two halves of the season,
which had a long break because of the writer's strike.
So we'll touch on that and you can find that
on YouTube, I believe. So just the heads up on
that front, and I think that's all I have talk
about here right.
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Welcome to Spacing Out with BB and Jason this week
covering Battlestar Galactica Season four episode eight, sine Kwannon.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Ye, welcome back.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
I'm Babe and I'm Jason, and welcome to spacing Out
or today we will be discussing the one and only
Battlestar Galactica.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Well it's not the one and all.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
I just start myself, I'm like, well No. One of
several Battlestar Galacticus. If you're new to the show, welcome,
and you should know. We're gonna have a spoiler section
at the end of the podcast where we are free
to discuss any future events in the series, but otherwise
we won't be spoiling anything past this episode, which is
Battlestar Galactica Season four, episode eight, sinne Kuwannon. This aired
(00:51):
on May twenty seven, two thousand and eight, Written by
Michael Taylor, directed by Rod Hardy. The survivor count who
is thirty nine six seventy four, which is an addition
of one last time we do not know who was.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Added unimportant colonizer.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
In this episode, Lea dama enlists Romo Lampkin to search
for a temporary replacement for President as Laura Roslin has
assumed kidnapped.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
And vice President is not good enough.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Athena is sent to the brig for killing the Number
six Natalie, and after it is revealed that Kaprica six
is pregnant with Colonel Tye's baby, Tye and Admiral Dama
get into a physical fight, and then in order to
not risk the safety of the fleet, Admiral Adama stays
behind and the Raptor hoping for Roslin's return while the
fleet jumps away.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Right, So to me, that was like, did we really
need a new leader then? Because the only thing that
was impeding Zerk from taking power was a Dama and
now a Dama's out of the picture. So did we
really have to go through all that?
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Seems like not because I don't know, Tie didn't seem
to be that objective to the president, right, he was
taking his phone calls.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Yeah, Vive check. Did we like the episode overall? How
does it stand the test of time?
Speaker 2 (02:16):
It's okay, it's not like great, but it's definitely movings
along and giving us some character development and has one
of the best fight scenes I've seen between two old men.
So that's pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
I guess they hit each other hard. Yeah, that first
punch from Tie.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Yeah, don't bring going into this straight iconic exactly what
we want to see.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
I wonder if he's got that like extra cylon strength
that looked like Torri had.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Now that he's aware. Yeah, maybe I was wondering if
his ma if his fist hurts like steel, like he's
got Wolverine bones or something.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
I don't think that's how it works. There's still blood
and guts as we saw on the operating table. Oh yeah, yeah.
I like the episode. It's a little slower, but still drama. Yeah,
a lot of drama, a lot of anger from the
Admiral all different people as he's trying to process the
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loss of Roslin. And I found Romo Lampkin to be
a little more interesting, I guess, a dynamic character in
this as we kind of got some character development for him,
and he's not just this kind of oddball guy that
speaks weirdly.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
He's a lawyer, so I don't care for him too much.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
No, just kidding, he's still in it for the money.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Yeah, he's definitely interesting.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
And we got a surprise return of Jake the Dog,
so not Finn the human, no.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Trivia time, What facts could we uncover for sune kwannon?
Speaker 3 (03:56):
All right, trivia? I only have one little piece of trivia,
and that's the title of the episode. Does sinnequannon which
is Latin and means without which not? And what that
means is basically just something that is absolutely essential, like.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Your iPhone or what I don't get it.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
I wrote down what I found on Google, which is
chocolate chips. Are the sinnequannon of chocolate chip cookies? When
does the sinnequannon for flying a kite? Okay, so it's
something that you can't Yeah, you get it.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Sinny quannon. It sounds like something you would say. It
doesn't sound Latin to me. It sounds like a Jamaican
proverb like s quanna man, Like you know, that was
terrible Jamaican accent.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
It sounds like a legal term, you know, like quid
pro quo.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Oh, yeah, of thing.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
What it means in this episode, I don't really know.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
I guess maybe it talks about Laura's relationship with a
Dama and how he can't live without her.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
There you, I was wondering what it was. I just
it didn't jump out to me as obvious but that
makes sense.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Yeah without which not.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Because he's not going to go on without her.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Yeah, very romantic.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Deep space dive. Let's break down some of our thoughts
on the episode. You can share your thoughts with us
through email, Facebook, or Twitter. We may use your comments
on an upcoming episode.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
So I didn't realize we were going to see number
six Natalie alive at the beginning of this episode. I
think last time I gave her a posthumanous award in
the Astal Queen.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
But yeah, I was surprised she was living in this
episode for so long.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
For a moment, I thought like, oh, does she survive this?
But no, we just see the trauma of her dying
holding dot Coddle's hand.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
So sweet. I really like that little detail of him
holding her hand, you like, reach us out to her.
He's the last person she sees. And then she goes
into their silon afterlife greenery somewhere, some park somewhere I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Well, she's she's projecting the thing that cylons do where
they can see a different surrounding.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Oh yeah, I forgot they could do that.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Yeah, So she's like, I just don't want to be
in this operating room. In my last moments.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
That's fair.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
That's so they tend to always go to a forest
for some reason, but it's.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Cheap to film outside and look in the grass. Where
would you project to?
Speaker 3 (06:24):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
I know exactly where. I would project to the beach
in California. That's where I would project, so, like, while
I'm at work, i'd just be like surrounded by a
beautiful beach. Oh, that'd be iconic.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Oh, I thought you meant like when dying, Oh.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
When dying, Oh, when dying, I would project to a beach. Yeah,
I'm more of a beach bitch than a mountain hoe.
Mountains are great too, though, Like they're cool, but they
don't have beach.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Well, I would project to a mountain side that does
have a beach.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Oh that sounds dangerous, but I guess you can have
it all.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Jason, Yep, Dama's so mad in this episode. Vers he's
mad at Athena.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Oh yeah, he gives it to her. He's like, you
disappointed me? Did you want to break this alliance? Or
you just fucking stupid? And I was like whoa? And
she didn't have a good excuse either.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
He's like, I had a vision and he's like.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
God, damn it, I'm tired of hearing about visions. Laura
won't shut up about him.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Everyone has a vision these days.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Right, And there's so much speculation about what's going on
in the Quorum because they're like baltert stole her. No,
it was the cylons, and they're like talking about what
the fuck just happened, and they're not really in the know.
It's all hearsay. Yeah, but it's pretty accurate.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
But so with Athena, you know, a dama puts her
in the brig and she doesn't want to be separated
from her child, but he's like, the Brig's no place
for a child, so he does separate them. But at
the end of the episode, when he tells Ty to
reunite them, what Ty does is just put the baby
in the brick.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
I thought that was so funny. I thought that was
so funny, Like, so the baby is in prison, what's
going on? That was wild?
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Yeah, Oh my god. He was a very literal man.
He's like fit. So yeah. The Dama is also really
mad at Tie because he finds out that Ty has
been dip.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
He got caught with his hands in the cookie jar.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Yeah, he's getting the Cylon pregnant, which.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
You I didn't know he had the capability of doing that.
I guess men are built different, yep.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
But also that that's two cylons making a baby, just
you know what they were trying to do early in
the series, the Cylons were trying to procreate yep. So yeah,
so they have their fight sequence and.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
There were some angry words said during that or right
before it. Yeah, like he's like, what what Ellen is
say about you getting a fucking skin job pregnant? He
literally said fracking though, but you know, he literally said
the curse word, and I was like, oh. And then
Colonel Tis like, don't you bring my wife and dog us?
(09:17):
And that's what like set him off, and he started
he just like straight up sucker punched a Dama, and
Adama's like, oh, fuck, you ain't taking this shit line down.
You're not gonna do this to me on my ship,
on my house, and he's already pissed off about everything else,
so he's like beating him up. And then it's so good,
so so great, and then fucking Colonel Tye like throws
(09:40):
him on the desk where he works on his ship,
and then they end up like one of them's on
the couch and he's like, all right, I'm done. I
don't know. It was weird, like they got in a
fight and then later they're like acting like it never happened.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Yeah, I just had to come the blows. And then
they're both like, well, we're too old to solve it
this way, so I guess.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Cool, Well we need each other too, or Adama realized
he needs Colonel Tye in order to leave the fleet,
he has to leave it in his hands, and Colonel
Ty's like, are you sure, man, because the last time
I kind of beefed it. Oh man, I don't know.
(10:22):
Now they don't have Laura, and they won't have a dama.
What's going to happen to the fleet?
Speaker 3 (10:28):
As soon as they jump away from a dama. He's like,
martial law. I love that, Like the model ship? Has
this become a joke? Now he's breaking it all the time.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
You can't finish that shit? Oh god. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Adama's also I don't know, he's necessarily like mad at Zeric,
but he won't even talk to Zeric or considers.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Eric because if he does, that kind of acknowledges that
Laura is no longer alive or in power. Yeah, I
think part of it is that, and then another part
of it is that he never liked that guy. Nope,
and so that puts there it in a really awkward
position of trying to lead without any power. And Baby
Adama's like, well, what if we just put somebody else
(11:14):
in power? And he's like, let me go off on
my side quest to get let me get the whiteboard
and rally up the troops to make a list and
check it twice. And we're in some pretty basic quarters,
some quarters we don't really get to see normally, and
what's his name, Romo Romo's quarters, which he says he
(11:37):
got those quarters by taking Baltar's case because it has
a really tiny window. He wants a bigger window. And
I thought that was really fun and interesting to see
like an insight on this guy and like see how
he lives. And I don't know, sometimes his train of
thought is weird, but I thought it was interesting that
he was cool enough to approach a Dama personally, like
(12:00):
what's going on my man?
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Right? Like most people would be scared to walk up
and just start talking to him.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Mmmm. So it's very interesting that he's trying to figure
out who should be in charge, and he kind of
comes to the conclusion that it's obviously Leodama. And then
there was this whole side thing about his cat. He
wasn't feeding his cat, his cat was sick or something,
and then all of a sudden, the cat was dead.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Yeah, so when you were seeing the cat in the episode,
that was all on his head, like the cat had
been dead for weeks.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Ew how come he didn't smell it in his little
tiny room. You would have been able to smell that
in a duffel bag, he would have. Yeah, dead cats steak. Oh,
that's fucked up. Is he okay in the head?
Speaker 3 (12:45):
I mean, I mean he's definitely. He's dealing with trauma,
dealing with that grief.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
And survivor's guilt.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Yeah, that cat was like the last thing connecting him
to his family. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
I would hate that.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
I would hate that.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
And now he's taking care of the dog because that's
totally logical that he murdered or somehow like a cat
was not okay in his I don't know how the
cat died, but for him to keep the cat for
that long after it died, I don't know if I
would run off and get this guy a new pet
right away.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
I'd be like, see how you do with like a fish,
you know what I mean? I don't know, like is
he going to be able to take care of a dog.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
It's not clear how the cat died, but he says
like they killed the cat, so I don't know who.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
That makes me feel like he's more mentally unstable. Like
I'm not saying people who have mental issues shouldn't have pets,
but they should be able to take care of the pets.
And if the pets pass away for some reason, they
should be able to dispose of the body within a
reasonable amount of time and not hold onto the corpse
because that's unsanitary. And if you did have other pets,
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that would probably get them sick. So I don't know, man,
I don't know. If i'd give that guy a dog
right away, it'd be like, maybe you can talk to
Doc Coddle and see what's going on.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
So like a cat, I can see, like they just
have a litter box, But where do you take the
dog to do their business?
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Right? Maybe there's like an AstroTurf dog park in the
middle of every ship, Maybe like a four by four
square where all the dogs shit and piss that gets
cleaned regularly with the hose.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
They don't have the Cloud nine chip the big outdoor
gardens face, but you wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Be able to take your dog there whenever it needed
to go outside anyway, so there'd have to be like
a dog promenade or something.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Yeah. Yeah, if you don't remember, Jake the dog was
on New Kaprica and they had to dog bowl. That
was part of the symbol for whether there's a message
they flip over the dog bowl.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Yeah, Felix was a big part of that.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
That poor dog was just swarming some food and everyone's
turning his bowl upside.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Down or water. Just want some water, man or dog.
Hopefully Romo will remember to feed the cat or the dog.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
It does feel like they were just trying to find
a way to make Leodama president. Like he's he got
moved from the military to the presidency pretty quick here.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Yeah, talk about nepotism.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Yeah, your dad already gave you a battle star and
he broke that.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
He literally like smashed it and ran and now you've
been given the presidency. Good luck, don't fuck it up.
I still feel like they did all that FORNT because
literally the one person who was opposing Xak's command was
literally chose to exile himself away from the fleet.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Yeah, I agree, if they had just taken like a
few more hours trying to decide, like.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Like okay, well wait a minute, wait a minute, I
don't think we need to do this anymore. Guys.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Meanwhile, Xax's just sitting in his office brooding over how
no one will let him be president.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Right, He's pouting, He's trying so hard. He had a
legitimate claim to the presidency. And because one guy was
like fuck you dude, he's like not it. The like
legal gymnastics they had to do to like make him
vice president again is ridiculous. I feel like it'd be
harder to replace the vice president who becomes the president
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than a regular president in some cases. That's crazy. Anything
else do you want.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
To talk about?
Speaker 3 (16:27):
I just had a quick mention that, like, this is
the first time they've ever mentioned anything about having artificial
gravity on their ships, and the show doesn't get bogged
down a lot with like technical explanations of stuff like
but I'm always curious, like how does that work? And
so when Racetrack was checking out that raptor. She's like, oh,
the gravitational fields down, so they are generating it somehow.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
It was cool to see Racetrack going out there and
doing exploration or whatever. The CGI stuff was really good
in this episode. Yeah, base Walk, Yeah, I enjoyed.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Racetrack has had like so many close calls before that,
Like I got really nervous when she would have to think,
I think some explode.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
I know it, She's not gonna make it.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
So how do you feel about the episode being like
one one side of the story, Like we don't see
what happens to Roslin, Baltar and all them, Like we're
just seeing what happens in their absence.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
I kind of like it because it lets us focus
on the aftermath of what's happening, and it's their reality
that they don't know. So I like that we're living
in their reality of unknown.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Yeah, we have the same point of view as the characters.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Yeah, So I think that was like a good balance
of like creating suspense and drama because we understand where
everybody's coming from about all of this uncertainty because we
don't know either. So I like that. I like that
a lot. Sometimes it's fun to see like, I know
that she's okay or oh my god, the fucking silence
(18:01):
took her. But this, this gives me more entertainment as
an audience member to not what do you think? You agree?
Speaker 3 (18:10):
I agree? And so we leave with Admiral Adama sitting
alone in the void of space, which I think would
be terrifying for most people.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Yeah, he's like, I did this as my first recommission,
so I don't have a big it's no big deal.
He's gonna wait for his woman.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
I hope he brought some snacks.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
He probably brought his modelship.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Well, no, he's reading that book that's half burned, which
if you're following that book, Roslin took it with her
to the Bay Star and then it shows up in
that raptor. All right, I think we can move.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
On Astral Queen. Who was the standout character in the episode?
Speaker 3 (18:50):
So who stood out in this episode? I feel like
the main characters are Adama, Adama and Romo Lampkin Colonel Tye.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Yeah, I'm going to give it to Senior Adama for
taking a hit and staying behind.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Yeah, I was also thinking of the admiral. It seemed
to be the story seems to be about his emotional journey,
trying to process everything that happens. The Leadama story like
it's okay, but I still just it feels like as
humble as they tried to make him through the episode,
he's still the guy that was like, I think we
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should look for a new president and then ends up
selecting himself.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
I mean, they try to show us how much he
doesn't want it, but seems like he kind of does.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
So, yeah, I think the admiral is a better choice.
And he's openly admitting his feelings for Laura Roslin.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
To the public even Yeah, I like that, even like
consulted Doc Coddle about like what are her chances? How
is she going to react without her treatment, And he's
like telling him like, well, at first she's going to
feel great and then slowly but surely she'll die. And
Adama doesn't like that, and he's like, I need to
get her back. She needs to get back into her
tree Man, she needs to survive.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Yep. So that is two awards for Admiral Adama.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
All Right, you ready for the spoiler section of this episode.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Yeah, so that is the end of the main part
of the episode. We are going to go into spoilers,
so if you don't want any spoilers for the rest
of the season, then you are free to leave. Now.
The next episode we are covering is called The Hub.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Sounds like a cool hangout joint for teens.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Yep, we'll be getting some burgers and milkshakes.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Yeah, that sounds so good right now, I'm so hungry.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Let's put our living stereo stylist in this group.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Brace for impact spoilers ahead. If you haven't seen the
whole series, now is the time to say goodbye. Remember
you can contact us at Spacingoutpod at gmail dot com,
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(21:02):
two one.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
So this is the first Sylm pregnancy, and we already
know because we're in the spoiler section that Ellen Tie
is the other Cylon, which means that Colonel Tie and
Ellen Tie could never have a child because they were Silons.
But all of a sudden, Colonel Tie has a Cylon
baby with number six. But apparently that baby does not
come to full term and it is miscarried.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Yep, which is that yes, it is, and that will
mean that Tara retains the title of the only hybrid child.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Right, but they still haven't revealed that Little Benji is
a little bit bastard.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Oh Nikki, Yeah, whatever his name.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Is, little Nikki. I'm ready for that Tita spill fucking
Calli and her spoiled milk smell.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
He did her so dirty hot Dog was into it.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Doug was sent to it, but the hot Dog was
into it.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Oh yeah. So the next episode we get to see
the other side of this story, what's happening on the
Bay Star with Roslin and Baltar and the Hyperilons. Yeah,
which I think is a kind of a fun way
to put these episodes together.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Yeah, I'm excited for a Baltar episode where he's going
to be like frantic and be like, ah, where are we?
And I'm sure Laura is going to be like the
stoic leader that she always is, and she's going to
be calm and cool and collected, and she'd be like
taking charge. So I'm really excited to see that. And
then don't they have like a bunch of pilots with them, Yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:49):
They do, Yeah, because that's that was part of the
issue that they were short on pilots in this episode.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Because she decided to bring them with her on her excursion.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Yeah, and they got Heilo there too.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Yeah. Good thing is baby safe in that jail cell.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Yeah, so Lee, he's gonna he's gonna remain in the presidency.
And sometimes my memory of season four is kind of
a blur, even though I really like this season. I
think that's partially just because it is really long. Yeah. Well,
it's structured, is just like a very serialized story, so
it's hard to remember how everyone gets all these different points,
(23:24):
but I remember them being at these kind of milestone parts.
But eventually, when Lee I think, has to step down
and go on a mission near the finale, he appoints
Romo Lampkin as the president in the interim, so they
just keep passing that torch between the good old boys.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Instead of having a fair and like honest election.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Huh, they'll get to it. Yeah, we're getting close to
the mid season finale, which we'll have some big reveals
in it. So that's that's only two episodes away, and
then we'll probably be on a bit of a hiatus
before we come back for the back half of season four.
I should also mention between the two halves of season four.
(24:06):
We'll touch on the web series titled The Face of
the Enemy, which aired between the two halves of the season,
which had a long break because of the writer's strike.
So we'll touch on that and you can find that
on YouTube, I believe. So just the heads up on
that front, and I think that's all I have talk
about here right.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Well, we'll see you later, Alligator, We'll.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
See you all over at the Hub.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
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