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Welcome to Spacing Out With BB and Jason! We’re covering the 2004 reboot of Battlestar Galactica, and this week we’re discussing season 4 episode 11, “Sometimes A Great Notion”. Thanks for joining us!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Spacing Out with BB and Jason this week
covering Battlestar Galacticus Season four, episode eleven, Sometimes a Great Notion.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Yeah check this, things still work. Welcome back. I'm Bebe
and I'm Jason and this is Spacing Out for today.
We will be discussing Battlestar Galactica and if you are
new to the show, welcome, and you should know that
we will have a spoiler section at the end of
(00:31):
the podcast where we are free to discuss future events
from the remainder of the series as they relate to
this episode, but otherwise we won't be spoiling anything past
this episode, which is Battlestar Galactica Season four, episode eleven,
Sometimes a Great Notion. This originally aired on January sixteenth,
two thousand and nine. That's about seven months since the
(00:54):
last episode aired. This was written by Bradley Thompson and
David Weddell, directed by Michael Nankin. The survivor count at
the beginning of the episode is thirty nine, six hundred
and fifty one people, the loss of fourteen from the
last time. In this episode, both the Human Fleet and
the Rebel Cylons are disillusioned after finding Earth devastated by
(01:14):
a nuclear holocaust. We learned that the thirteenth tribe that
left Koboal to populate Earth was actually a type of
Cylon race, and the final five Cylons had lived on Earth.
Starbuck finds a corpse with their own dog tags and
burns it, telling no one, well we o windows Well yeah,
no one important Cylon Deanna Bears chooses to remain on Earth.
(01:36):
Our dear Duala embarks on a nostalgic romantic evening with
Leadama and then promptly takes her own life. This devastates
Admiral of Dama, and after trying to prompt Colonel Tye
to kill him, he eventually takes action and to begin
finding the fleet a new home and even invites the
Silon Allies to join them. And then Colonel Tye walks
(01:56):
out into the sea and has a vision of Ellen,
leaving her to be the final silent.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Lots of stuff happens in this episode.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Vive check. Did we like the episode overall? How does
it stand the test of time?
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Oh? We will break it down in a moment, But first,
how did we feel overall? I liked it.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
I thought it was okay, I feel like some of
it was a little heavy handed, and then like I
feel like it kind of came out of nowhere with
De's storyline because she's been in the background for so
long of that it felt really cool to kill her.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
I wish we would have had.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Another episode where, you know, we could have seen her
hopeful and excited about Earth and give us a little
build up before her death, give us really emotionally attached
to this character so that we can feel what a
damas feeling, feel what.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Lee is feeling.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
I think that was a miss, But yeah, I'm it's
not my favorite episode, but I think it's like an
important episode for the show.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
You know, it needed to be told, it needed to happen.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
I think a tragedy beg it's a tragedy in a
lot of ways, and I feel like it is super
tragic that you find out that this thing that you've
been chasing turns out to be like this, like desolate healthscape.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yeah, I mean we have to. I think it is
like a necessary episode in that regard, because they can't
just bounce back from well or sucks. Let's try something else.
Like all of their hopes and dreams and reasons for
pushing forward. Are we're hinging on finding this planet? So like, yeah,
you have to deal with this huge loss that they
(03:45):
all have undergone. So well, I wasn't really looking forward
to this episode because I knew it was such a
downer as one of the darkest episodes of the whole series.
But it is necessary and I like, you know, we
learn a little bit about the side in the Thirteenth
Tribe and a little flashbacks about how they lived on Earth.
I kind of like those sequences. And there's some really
(04:06):
good well acted scenes, which one like with Tie and
a doma.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Oh yeah, I think Colonel Tye really put this foot
in it this one, Like he really did really well.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Yeah, for sure, I think that's I mean, obviously they're
two really good actors, but they've been playing these roles
for years now, and I guess you can really tell.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
I think it also probably like that long hiatus really
got them, like their lips were wet with like appetite
for acting. They're like, oh yeah, I'm coming back, baby.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Well, let's talk a little bit about that.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Trivia time. What facts could we uncover for sometimes a
great notion.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
So I've tried when finding out information about this writer's strike,
about this current writer's strike, this writer's strike from two
thousand and seven, to find accurate information about how exactly
it played out. With Battlestart, it's been a little convoluted.
I think people kind of have different memories of exactly
where they were in production when this happened. So the
previous episode, episode ten, I think when they were shooting
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and editing that episode, they were well aware that this
strike was coming and that could be the last episode.
But they also they managed to get this episode shot
before the shutdown happened. That is my best understanding of
how that played out. So this episode was also written
to potentially be a series finale if the strike ended
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up canceling the show in the same way that the
previous episode was, so they just keep pushing as far
as they can and trying to have some sort of
ending if they have to. So the strike was called
the day before this episode was to begin filming, and
the script was ready, but no onset rewrites would be allowed.
The show runner, Ronald Moore, was also part of the strike,
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but he flew to Vancouver to speak to the cast
and crew and permitted the production of this episode to continue.
And Edward James almost reported he was telling everyone on
set that the show was going to get canceled and
was rallying everyone around the idea that this was the
final episode. What a bud, this is it, guys, We're done.
So he's like, you better turn in those performances because
(06:14):
this is how we're going last.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
What a contradictory tone to what his character does.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
So scenes down on the planet were shot alongside the
previous episode, and several scenes. Several of the scenes were
not scripted and were directed by fellow cast members because.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
They didn't have writers.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Clamb guys, what do you want to do? Improvise and
it sounds like they were kind of giving them some freedom.
It's like, hey, you guys, take this cameraman and go
over here. Make something. The network had concerns about the
episode being so dark, but it was successfully defended by
the writers. The episode does not feature the main title sequence,
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presumably just for the title is a reference to the
nineteen sixty four book Sometimes a Great Notion by Ken Kesey,
which itself takes a title from the song good Night
Irene by Leadbelly. Never heard of any of that. Nope,
the original director's cut implied that Anders wrote the all
Along the Watchtower song, but it was dropped from the edit.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Yeah, I wrote this really famous Bob Dylan song, but
you know I'm also a pyramid ball player.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
That's rude. I'm sorry. Admiral Adama used the real star
system classifications of FG and K when he orders Gata
as a search for star systems. These are considered by
real world astronomers to be the most likely candidates for
life bearing.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Planets, and that has been confirmed that there are life
bearing planets and that extraterrestrials do come over and hang
out in Earth by the government at this time allegedly
maybe did they really say that? No, did the government
really out the aliens?
Speaker 2 (08:04):
There was some like testimony about it, but.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
It's not beneficially Okay.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
This is the final appearance of Lucy Lawless, as their
character chooses to remain on Earth.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Deep Space Dive. Let's break down some of our thoughts
on the episode. You can share your thoughts with us
through email, Facebook, or Twitter. We may use your comments
on an upcoming episode.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Do you want to talk about how weird it was
when they all of a sudden started focusing on d
out of nowhere.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yeah, I wrote, when the recap focuses on D, you
know it's going to be bad.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Yeah, well, you don't know why they're.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Focusing on D. It's confusing. Yeah. If you've never seen
this episode, remember when she and Lee were in love, Like, okay, why,
what's that matter? Yeah? Oh yeah, I mean that is
kind of a trope and shows like this that they
will heavily focus on a character right before killing them.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
It just sucks. I hate this again. I wish they
would have done an episode before this where they would
have given her like five minutes, five whole minutes of
like real dialogue and acting time where she was like,
I'm really excited. I think it's great that we're working
with the Cylons, even though I fucking hate them. I
(09:28):
think we need them to find Earth and you know,
my prayers have been answered, and anything anything to show
us that her all of her eggs were in this
Earth's basket and in the way that many people were somehow.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Yeah, I agree. I mean we've talked about how D
has taken a back seat for this whole season basically
since she and Lee broke up. You just kind of
see her doing her job and that's it. But yeah,
we had no reason to think like d is like
more invested in like finding Earth than others, or.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
I feel like Laura should have had more of a reaction,
Like her reaction was like get me out of here,
Like that was the character that we have been focusing on,
So like why didn't we have her be somebody who
was like gonna take all of her sleeping pills and
how to get her stomach pumped in order for her
(10:26):
not to die or something like somebody else could have
died or almost died because they won't kill Laura. She's
too important, even though she's a quote unquote dying leader
and she's skipping her treatments. Yeah, I just feel like
there wasn't any emotional connection to this character in a
way that made us like understand her reasoning behind wanting
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to end her life because this was the end. There
was nothing else, especially after having such a positive moment
with her husband and like she was acting. I guess
that's like an indicator of how when you do have
somebody who has thoughts and ideations of suicide that they
(11:15):
can put on a mask, and her mask was like
I couldn't tell, but that's because I feel like the
writing was just really flat for her. There should have
been moments, there should have been something, except for like
they didn't reveal it until just right before she fucking
grabbed a gun, and it was shocking. And I feel
like sometimes there are signs, whether they're subtle or obvious.
(11:38):
Is there's that, There is that, But I just wish
they would have shown the difference and the maybe like
how normally she would act with Lee and then compare
it to this day and then like show how she
was planning a perfect day so she could go out
on a nice day. I don't know, I just felt
(11:58):
really hollow. I hate that for me and for this character,
which is like one of the only women of color
portrayed in this show. Like the lack of care and
the lack of thought that went to finishing her time
on this show just shows the kind of care and
(12:20):
thought that they put into this care this person's presence.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Overall. It felt like, Yeah, it feels like they wanted
to have a character kill themselves to emphasize the devastation,
and they just found like a main character that they
didn't really have any other plans for.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Yeah, They're like oh, let's kill thee.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
The writer's room is probably full of mostly white, mostly
men people, and I think that their lack of tact
and thought is really evident in this episode, which sucks
because this episode needed like a lot of thought and
you have to be tactful. And I feel like the
show also, I don't know if I maybe I missed it,
(13:07):
but there was nothing in the beginning or at the
end that gave you like resources for like the suicide hotline. No, so, like,
what are you doing. You're just putting out these horrible
things and images and feelings and you're not being accountable
for it. Like, if you're going to tell a story
(13:29):
of suicide, you have to let people know that there
are resources and people out there who do not want
you to do this. We care about you and we
want you to live, and here's some resources. I'm glad
you told me, like, hey, there's going to be suicide
in this show, so I could like mentally prepare to
watch something terrible, and like there was nothing like that,
(13:52):
And I think this was the time before trigger warnings
or anything like that. But I was seriously surprised there wasn't,
like at the end. If you were a friend, have
are going through something, here's the resources. I thought that
was shocking.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
I think we just need to take care of people,
and I feel like this show had a really big
and easy opportunity to do that and they didn't take
it at all, and they just dropped the ball so hard.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
I feel like Laura's character also did that.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
She's like so disappointed in herself and she's so upset
that this isn't the earth that she promised.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yeah, she's basically given up on her role and everything
as president, as leader. Yeah, she can't even say anything
when she gets off the plane.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
She knew it was going to be a problem. She's like,
get me out of here, and everybody pounced on her.
I love that when they came out of the ship,
somebody I don't remember who it was, but they just
slowly shook their head. They're like, it's a no, guys,
it's a no.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
And that sucks. I did like in that d scene
right before when she's talking to Gata. Gata tells her
she's glowing and they cut the Gata and he just
looks like shit, he's just pale.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
I thought he was gonna be the one that was
on the chopping block when you told me somebody was
going to die by suicide.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
And I was so.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Shocked when de pulled out the gun, I was like, shook.
I didn't I was flabbergasted. I was like, I just
I still can't believe it. Honestly.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
That's actually like the first thing I knew about the
show because I was a friend of mine was watching it.
So back in two thousand and two thousand and nine,
two thousand and nine, you were sitting at a steak
and shake, and he was just telling me how he
watched this episode and how it's really like fucked with
his head. Yeah, and told me, like the basic premise
(15:54):
of the show is that they were looking for Earth
and then they find like a destroyed Earth and a
main character just like suddenly abruptly shoots herself. So like
I knew that before I ever watched the show, So
I knew like that was coming. To know who it
was or exactly when it was coming, wow, but I
knew that moment was coming at some point. Wow. Talk
about a spoiler.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Uh, But yeah, I think, like I really thought that
the reactions from the people in her Bunk were perfect
like shocked, crazy, upset and looking for help, like get
a medic, we need a medic, and Gata saying she's
gonna be okay. Oh that killed me. I'm like, she's
(16:38):
not gonna be okay, guys, should just shut herself in
the face.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Yeah. That like immediate denial.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Yeah, that immediate, like we need to fix this. We
got we can fix this. This is okay, this is
a fine, we can fix it. We need a medic,
we need help. Like, oh my god, that was so
heart wrenching, like I could not even And then they
cut to like her body being shrouded and Lea Dama
(17:06):
like sitting here, and they focus on his wedding ring
and then they pan up to him and he's just
like crying really quietly and pretty like he looked really
pretty crying.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
And then his dad comes in fucking drunk with a
bottle in his hand.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
That was crazy.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
I'm like Jesus Christ, and I feel like they've kind
of eluded and kind of shown bits and pieces of
how Colonel Ladama and Lee and d had a special
relationship not as strong as him and Starbuck, but I
think he really liked work, having d around, and he
(17:51):
was happy that she was like his daughter in law
and all this shit. Yeah, and I really wish they
would have again played up the relationship more in a
previous episode. It would have been fun to have them
having dinner or something.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Yeah, just a little groundwork for this payoff.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Terrible thing to say, but yeah, it's just but I
want to see the reason why he's upset, Like I
want to see why I don't get it. You tell
her to like look up this cylon or where's my
ships or whatever your relationship is looks like it's purely work,
but she's also your daughter in law and in some
(18:30):
ways like your daughter, show me, show me, please, I
want to see that. I want to see her have
a support system. If she doesn't have it, show me
that too, then, Like I want to see what's going
on in her life to make her feel so desolate
and so alone and so like capable of just being
(18:52):
like fuck it, I'm done.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
I don't know. There were a couple of things she
said that I picked up on knowing that this was coming.
When she's talking to Lee, they're like reminiscing about New
Kaprica and the good times they had on Pegasus and.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Sorry, all I can think of is when Lee Adama
got fat. I think about Pegasus. I think about fat Leadama.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
That's when he was happiest. But she's telling him, you, like,
you helped keep the human race going. He's like, no,
we did that together. And she's like, and you're going
to do it again, and she's like clearly leaving herself
out of this, like you're going to do this without me.
But yeah, it's easy to miss, but okay, Yeah, so
Dama's trying to hold it together, but I think Roslin
(19:35):
giving it up, giving up, and d suicide really just
breaks him downward spiral and he hits that bottle hard,
goes to see Ty.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
He stops a soldier and he's like, give me your
side arm, and as the soldier's handing it to him,
he's about to empty the magazine and he's like, keep
it loaded.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
I was like, you're loaded.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
You shouldn't be handling a firearm. And I didn't know
where the fuck he was going. And as he's walking
through the ship, you see the state of things.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Yeah, that scene, I mean, it's it's kind of cool.
It's also a little like very staged and choreographed. But
it's fine.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Yeah, like those two guys fighting, those people just sitting
there smoking, it was like nobody.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Gives a fuck. Yeah, but why are you all in
the hallways? Oh? What do you want to be?
Speaker 3 (20:27):
In a stinky bunk full of everybody's shoe smell? That's
what I think it smells like in those bunks, just
like nasty dirty feet.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Oh so you're gonna go lean on a crate in
the hall?
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Yeah, that's probably more exciting than just like chilling in
the room that smells like foot.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
I guess if you don't want to be alone.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Yeah, but I thought that was a fun like vignette
of they said morale it was low. They showed morale
being like bad, So I really enjoyed that.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
But yeah, he.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Gets to ties quarters and he knocks, and I thought
it was so funny that tie as he's opening the door,
the little I don't know what it's called. It's like
a valve. That little wheel just kept spinning for a
really long time and then it finally opened. And then
when he closed it, he didn't spin it at all.
So it's the door just open. It's not secure, Like
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he didn't close the door. I wish it would have span.
I wish they would have kept spinning.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
The door closed.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
If you're going to show me all that spinning to
open the door, I want to see all that's spinning
to close the door. But tis already drinking. He's that's
his normal every day right now. Because he's like a
cylon and nobody likes him.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Yeah, but he's not as far gone as a dama.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
No, But because he's a day, he's like a daily drinker.
He doesn't get gone like a dama anymore. He's drinking
just to keep himself alive.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
And so a.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Dama goes straight to ties cabinet that he knows he
keeps the booze in, and he grabs another gun and
he sits down at Tye's desk and throw shit around.
I hated that.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
I'm like, how dare you? He was working on that stuff? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Whatever that was, that paperwork that was probably a work
order for the toilets.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
He sits down and he's like, we're gonna talk, Manda.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Man, you're gonna fucking shoot me the face or something.
I didn't really get it. Can you summarize what he
did well?
Speaker 2 (22:30):
And there's layers to it, because you know, it's not
been that long since the DAMA found out Tye was
a cylon. They haven't really had a conversation about it,
which Tie has been pushing for. But so, yeah, he
does feel this like betrayal of the friendship. But he
also is he's hoping he can provoke Tie into killing him.
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He's not able to do it himself, and so he
and Ty calls him out on it.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
He's like, you, lily livered, son of a coward, and.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
It's really harsh, just like hearing Adama just start like
talking shit on Ellen. Oh yeah, supervoke Tie. Yeah, and
Ty's like, don't go there, dude. Well then he sees
through it and talks him down, and I feel like
you really get the sense of, like, despite everything, these
two are still good friends. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
I really liked the just a small detail of Tie.
Once he talked him down, he immediately grabbed that other
gun and emptied the chamber, and so like he neutralized
any sort of potential self harm as soon as he
was able to control get a hold of the situation.
And I'm like, that is a professional right there.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
That was really good.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
I don't know, I feel like Colonel Tye did a
lot in this episode for Adama, even though he was
in the whole episode throughout, Like just that little bit
right there was like so impactful to what Adama needed
to do. He's like, you know, you have a responsibility,
and if you fucking die, what kind of message is
(24:06):
that for the rest of us?
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Like, that's not going to help D. Yeah, that was
a good way to contextualize it for him too. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
D's not the only one that's considered that. Yeah, she's
not the only one struggling. And if our leader goes
what does that? Where does that leave us? Remember how
shitty Tie was that leading this ship? He just shit
the bed constantly.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
I think, well, who knows what would happened because he's
a Cylon and known Zylon. Now, yeah, like what would
the reaction.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Be right now? Yeah, it wouldn't be good. I think
he was thinking of himself a little bit too on that,
like there's no way you're going to die because I
ain't going to.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Take charge of the ship.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
And so I think what he says really resonates with
a Dama, and a Dama gives this like rallying speech
to everybody, saying like you know these people did this,
Why the fuck can't we even.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Though they weren't people, they were cylons. That was like
a key.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
I feel like that's one of the government propagandas where
they don't like tell you the whole truth.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Yeah, I feel like they Eggs was like reminiscent of
the speech he gave way back in the miniseries when
he's like, I know where Earth is and we're gonna
go find it. Even though he was just like bullshitting,
he's kind of doing the same thing, like I'm going
to give him some sort of hope to keep us going.
But yeah, so they I don't know if they sobered
it up much before they walked into the CIC.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Yeah, I think they still had a little.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Bit of a hopefully they had like a slice of
bread or something.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Just hngue over Like you could tell there was a
there was a moment where he just like made this
ugly face and then and then he finally gave a
speech like he was having a migraine headache or something.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Just terrible feelings. I don't know. It also seemed like
everyone in the CiCe was just like waiting around, not
knowing what to do.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Yeah, they're like, Okay, we found earth. I guess we
just like stay here. I thought it was interesting that
Lucy Lawless character Diana was tired of running and didn't
want to continue anymore because she's afraid of Cavil. And
I was like, oh, I forgot about Cavel. I completely
(26:31):
forgot that they're in a civil war. Yeah, And I'm like,
I guess she doesn't need food or water or any
sort of I think they do, So why is she
staying there? She don't die there? Yeah, that sucks. They
should at least give her like a survival.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Kit or something. Maybe she got something.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
I mean, hopefully if they need to eat, she's gonna
die of starvation. And that's like, a that's a horrible
way to die. That's a horrible way to die.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
But if they like, if there's maybe like animals, then
they could have all just stayed there. If there was,
if there was a way that one person could survive there,
then there would have been a way to figure out
how to let everybody survive.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Maybe, I don't know, I don't know. Maybe we'll get
to spin off of.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Doing a bear Girl styleless survival show. She's like fishing
in a polluted swamp.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
I think it's weird that she wants to stay when
there's no hope for survival. I feel like that was
another way of like seeing somebody choose death.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
It was for sure, I do know, like behind the scenes,
like they could only get Lucy lawless for like three
episodes or something, so she had to go out somehow
on this episode. Yeah, and then there was Kara. Yes,
So she finds her body in a wrecked viper that
has her number on it and has her dog tags,
And be honest, I don't really understand this. I don't
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know why her ship is crashed on Earth.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
When she exploded in space.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Yeah, I don't know either. There's there were three of
her then, like there's a lot of one that exploded
around car crashed on Earth, and then the one that's alive.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Like, yeah, there's a lot of plot holes around Kira.
So I don't know, Like.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
I'm not just playing dumb pretending like I don't know
what happens, Like I really just like in the context
of the show, like I don't know why this is
this way. Yeah, but yeah, she finds her dead body
in a wig.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
I was so upset and like tickled by the fact
that she found this like charred corpse with blonde hair,
and I'm like, girl, if your skin burned off, your
hair is gone.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
They're like, people aren't gonna get that at Starbuck, give
me that wig.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
I was just like, there is no way that hair
would have been odd.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Girl. There was another scene when the cylons were like
excavating some of the bones and the centurions from the ground.
There was like a number six in the foreground, and
then another character who was I'm pretty sure it's supposed
to be at number number six, and I had like
that same platinum blonde wig, but it is definitely not
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her face. I didn't notice that. And I know they
use like doubles all the time of the cylons, obviously
they have to. Yeah, but that one was just like obvious,
that's a man. That's funny.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
But yeah, So Kira has all these questions and Leobin's like,
I don't know, maybe we shouldn't look here. So it
feels like Leobin knows something but he's not sharing.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
He kind of seems like he's out a loss, but
he like tried to keep her away from finding this wreckage,
Like if he really was like not knowing then he'd
be like, yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Let's go figure it out, instead of being actively like
trying to slow her down.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Yeah. I mean he seemed genuinely like I don't like
scared of this knowledge. Yeah, like this all this has
gone further than what I guess he foresaw for Starbucks.
And he seems kind of timid about just taking it
at face value.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
I think, yeah, because it's hard to take him seriously
and like, you never know with him.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
He came into the show as a very cryptic speaking character. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
And then when she tells him that the Hybrid told
her that she was the harbinger of death, he's like,
I'm done talking to you, and he leaves, No, I'm.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Not really in the Starbucks anymore. I don't obsessed over
a different character. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
And so they show her building this funeral pyre and
I don't know, I feel like they could have made
the dummy a lot heavier for her so it felt
more realistic because she just flopped it on really easy,
Like I was like, I don't I'm not buying it,
Like they should have made it weigh the same thing
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she weighs and let her struggle with it to like
have this like sense of realism of what it would
be like to actually bury yourself. I would have loved that,
Like if they would have made like a wood dummy
that weighed as much as she did, like they could
have made parts of it would and parts of it
like styrofoam or something that's like not toxic to burn
(31:31):
cardboard and like make her carry herself in her own
weight and make her like try to get that shit
up Like it would have been really impactful because she
just like put it up there like a sack of potatoes,
and I was like, I don't buy this.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Wasn't real. It didn't feel real to me.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Well, if it wasn't her, it wouldn't be her weight exactly,
I guess, because a lot of the and muscle got
burned off, so it was just mostly.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Bones and goo. So maybe I.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Guess I'm thinking of like what it would be like
to bury yourself as you are, I'm overthinking it.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Yeah. So she goes and she tries to confess all
this to Apollo, but she's been out of the loop
and she just learns about d and she's like, I
can't kind of burden him.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
With something else, right, now, I think your thing is
a little more important than my thing, so I'll just
hold onto my thing for now. But he also didn't
be like, what do you have to say? I'm sorry
I interrupted you. My wife just died. But were you
saying something?
Speaker 2 (32:39):
You know what I mean? When it's like I want.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
To talk to you, Oh yeah, we can definitely talk.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
What's up?
Speaker 3 (32:47):
And she's like, well, what's the matter with you? And
she's like, oh, you know, my wife died. She shot herself.
And she's like, oh, oh my god, are you okay?
And then it's like, oh, yeah, you know, I'm sad,
But what were you gonna say? That's what the dialogue
I wanted. I think I died too, you know, I
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want too much. I want real, like regular people dialogue
and not like this like drama.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Like speaking of regular people. I thought it was nice
to actually see Hilo and Athena just like having a
fun moment with their child.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Oh yeah, I thought they were rubbing it in D's
face though. They were like just playing like so hard
with that baby, and then all of a sudden it
stops and they're like, here's your babysitter by. That was
a little weird. I wish that we would have seen
them playing. And then Dee knocks on the door and
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then they settle the baby down and they sit her
down and they're like, hold on, baby girl, and then
they open the door and like it's calm, because the
transition period between the babysitter is usually like getting the
baby ready to be abandoned, and it's not like so
much high energy. You got to calm the baby down
and distract them with something or be like okay, look,
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you're Auntie's here, or your babysitter or whoever de's here,
she's going to take care of you.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
You got to talk to the kid.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
It's like the I don't know, it was a weird transition,
and you could tell it was by somebody who's like
imagining what it would be like to be a kid,
like be a parent, because usually if somebody's gonna watch
your kid, you're gonna like prepare your child and have
an adult conversation being like, oh, yeah, thanks for doing this.
(34:39):
You know we'll be back around this time, and you
know where the emergency numbers are and help yourself to
the food and the fridge whatever we got cable.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Well, I think it kind of implies that these baby
said a lot for them.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
Yeah, maybe that does imply it's kind of out the door,
we'll be back soon, which I don't know if they're
going to work.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
It's like going out. Kind of a weird time to
do that, Like, just got this devastating news and well
the last time we saw Hilo and D, like d
was a wreck and Helo is like trying to comfort her.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Yeah, and then Fila was like playing with this baby
like nothing ever happened.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
He's like, they're there, D, by the way, can you
babysit tonight, I'm trying to get it in tonight. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
It was a really weird I think part of it
is that as parents, you have to put on a
brave face for your child and let them have a
good day every day, regardless of what hellscape is happening
around us. In the home, that's your child safe space,
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and it should be a happy space, full of joy.
And I think that's the kind of parent that they're
trying to show them to be, Like, even though the
world is falling apart, we still have to have fun
and enjoyment and excitement because this baby has no idea
of the devastation that is going on around us, and
we have to keep that joy up for that child
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for as long as you can.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Yeah. And it's also when when battles start focuses on
these kind of family units, it's rarely just like here
they are having a good time. It's usually like when
there's a conflict, someone's.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Frying baby with fucking Cali.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Yeah, like Chief and Cali is a good example. Like
we rarely ever saw like any aspect of them having
like a good, happy marriage. It's just kind of you're
implied that they're happy during other times, but we always
see them during a fight or during you know something,
something's in distress, the cabbage smell of her. I also
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I wanted to point out that the web series that
we watched last time, which if you haven't seen, you
should check it out, because it takes place right after
this episode when they've they've teamed up with the Cylons
to continue looking for a new place to live, and
we kind of we get a shot of Gata's face
in this, showing that he is not happy with having
to deal with the silence. Anything else. In this, we
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see little flashes of the final five living on Earth.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
Oh, yeah, fucking Chief was a nerd.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
I was a nerd in my fast life.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
I was going to buy some apples and strawberries, but
then the world ended.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Weird because he just wasn't really doing anything in that
He's just like walking around like, oh, look are these
flowers and oh some fruits.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Yeah, he didn't even have like it didn't look like
he was on a shopping trip or anything. He was
just walking around being a nerd. And Anders has his moment.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
With his guitar. Yep, little did we know he wrote
that song.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
Oh my god, that was such a I'm glad they
didn't include that.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
And then well I don't see anything from Tori, I
don't think, but she says she recalls and here's playing
that song for all of them.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
So was he like a busker? Was he like on
the streets playing for music for money?
Speaker 2 (38:12):
I think? Or was he at a concert? Like? Was
he was? He? He was like in the Barbie movie.
He was on the beach playing the guitar.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
Yeah, his job is beach.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
And they're like, did you write this song? He's like, yeah,
I did.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
But then Colonel Tied at the very end.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
Oh yeah, goes into the water which is like, it
gave me the ick when whenever I see somebody with
shoes and socks on going into the water and the
water goes above their shoes and socks.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
It's just like.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
And then he keeps going and he's wearing clothes in
the ocean, and I was like, I hope that ocean
is not cold.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
I don't know. I mean they shoot in Canada.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
Yeah, so like bravo again, he gave a stellar performance
in this episode. And then we cut to him at
an office building and all of a sudden, he's like
yelling for Ellen. So I guess their names didn't change.
So Ellen's in this world and she's trapped under the rubble,
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and apparently she knows about the plan that we're going
to be reborn. I wonder how they chose who got
to be reborn. Was it based on like skills, talent
or like hotness?
Speaker 2 (39:40):
How do you choose who? Like who?
Speaker 3 (39:42):
The how many of them are like eight silons, thirteen silons?
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Well there's five from this group, uh huh. And I
don't know if I can say too much. I think
there's more to be revealed about how all this Okay.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
Yeah, but like so far we only have five silons
that we have that were reborn. I think it's weird.
I want to know what the criteria is. It's like,
is it kind of like that like high end bunker
where only like the global elite get to go in
and then the rest of us will perish when the
nuclear holocaust happens here?
Speaker 2 (40:17):
Probably? Yes, we need this older couple, this guitar player.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
And he's also really good at pyramid.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
This guy that's never seen fruit before with.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
The glasses, but he's got a really good mechanical mind.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Glasses that he apparently doesn't need anymore. Right, what happened
is glasses.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
He was reborn into a better body. Or do you
think he wears contacts? Maybe the Oculus decalactica.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
But yeah, so that is an episode. So if the
show ended here, it would basically be like, they're going
to keep going on this journey looking for a home,
and we know who all the cylons are. That's the end.
That's the resolution you would have got if they canceled
the show do to the strike, which.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
Edward James almost was definitely sure they were going to do.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
That's it, guys, that's our final show. You better make
it good. He just didn't want to go out with
the whimper.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Astral Queen, who was the standout character in the episode.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
All right, Astral Queen, where are you going to give
it to? I think I just want to give it
to d because I'm sad about her and I miss
her and I'm not going to have a chance to
give her another one.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
Oh, I'm going to give it to Colonel Tye because
he went in that cold water with his shoes and
socks on.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
And then he had to like dig.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
In the water and splash around and I don't know
how many takes it took.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Well, that is the end of the episode, and I'm
excited to be back back in the cockpit here with
you bebe the cockpit. You don't imagine that we're like
on one of the ships when we're recording.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
Like one of the ships where we're where Colonel or No,
Admiral Adama and Laura Roslin just.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Like fucked yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
But it's like it doesn't smell like funky old people's sex.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
No, there's like no the two pilots up front and
then we're in the back doing the podcast. It wouldn't
be so loud.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
I feel like No, I imagine we're in our own
space pod, like an emergency clean like almost like you
know how, there's Wally and then there's that other robot, Evy.
The space pod looks like ev and it's a really clean,
like ergonomic space that looks reminiscent of the nineteen sixties.
(42:55):
But yeah, because I don't feel like we're gonna stick
with just Battlestar Galactica. This is just our first story
that we're going to explore.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
We have more. No, when we finish, we're going back
to episode one, through it all again.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
You want me to talk trash on Cali again, I'll
do it.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
We're just gonna I have to. The Battle Star has
taught us anything, as everything is cyclical, it's all happened before,
it all happened again, and this is just a snaking
its own tail. No, No, that is not what's happening.
But we are excited to do these this last run
of episodes here. I've done the kind of prep work
(43:36):
for the final ten episodes already, so I'm excited for
what's to come. This episode was definitely it had to
slow down and take a moment. But after this, we're
just on a rocket. Ship full of action and revelations.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
Well, yeah, because it's like the final season, right, yep, Yeah,
they have a lot of things to explain.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
Yeah, exciting things to come. So we're going to go
into the spoiler section now and maybe talk about some
of those things. If you don't want to join us
for that, then don't get out, but we will see
you for the next episode titled A Disquiet follows My
Soul and I believe we're gonna watch an extended cut
of that episode on the DVD or Blu Ray version.
(44:18):
But if you don't have access to that, I'll explain
what the added scenes are and it's not that different.
Let's put our living stereo stylist in this group.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
Brace for impact spoilers ahead. If you haven't seen the
whole series, now is the time to say goodbye. Remember
you can contact us at Spacingoutpod at gmail dot com,
find us on Facebook and Twitter, share your thoughts and
be a part of the discussion. Spoilers In five four
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three two one.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
Girl Ellen Tye is coming back. Yep, she is gonna
come and she's gonna be pissed because she's been hanging
out with call this whole time. Fucking Cavill. I forgot
all about Cavell. Does he catch up with them?
Speaker 2 (45:09):
Then? Yeah? They So we're going to have an arc
with Gata leading a insurrection on Galactica, and that's going
to take up the next few episodes. But then we
get Ellen back, and because Ellen died and resurrected, she
has all of her memories back, and we learned that
Cavell was the one that placed these five on Earth
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and implanted memories and them forcing them to live as
humans and leaving that they're humans. But she's going to
wake up and know the truth and she'll catch up
with the fleet, and then we're we heading to the
end of the series and it's the big confrontation with
cavill and trying to rescue Harah. So it is it
is definitely an exciting run of episodes. They brought back
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the All Along the Watchtower song in this episode for
a moment, and that's going to keep coming up, and
it is a big role with Starbuck and finding another
planet that they also decided to call her.
Speaker 3 (46:05):
Because they can't be creative. That's why they said they
didn't write that. There's no way they could have written
All Along the Watchtower and then not thought of another
name or another planet.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
Oh, let's go it Earth again.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
No, if you wrote a song called all Along the Watchtower,
you'd come up with another name. Okay, I think it's
weird that Starbuck is an angel.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
Yeah, we'll talk about this in one of the later episodes.
But we learned that there was another Cylon called Daniel,
Damn Daniel. He was number seven, and Cavil killed him
out of jealousy and like completely destroyed his whole line.
But a lot of fans thought that, like Starbuck might
have some connection to Daniel, like maybe that was her father,
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or she is somehow another version of him, and to
kind of explain her existence, but the show decided not
to go that route. They just don't explain her at all. No,
not really. I mean they heavily imply that she has
a purpose to fulfill and then when she fulfills it,
she's just gone. And then they heavily imply that Head
Baltar and Head six are angels. So you can presume
(47:13):
that starbuckets too.
Speaker 3 (47:15):
I did miss Boltar in this episode. Yeah, they showed
like a little clip of him being sad.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
Was he did some science stuff determining that they were cylons.
They all silence. But yeah, that's that's what we're setting
up for. You got any other spoilers spoilery content to cover.
Speaker 3 (47:33):
I can't think of anything. I really forget what happened
in this. When was the last time we watched this?
It was like in twenty sixteen or something.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
Oh, the first time you watched it? Yeah, probably somewhere
around then.
Speaker 3 (47:49):
So yeah, I can't remember everything that happens. That's why
I like you to spoil things for me, and I
ask questions about, like what happened because I fucking up, bro,
I cannot recall. All right, Well, thanks for joining us. Uh,
you have a good day, safe travel.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
We'll see you next time. And Cracker, Cracker, I like
that graffiti.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
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Season four, episode twelve, A disquiet follows my soul. We
hope you will join us, so say we all
Welcome to Spacing Out with BB and Jason this week
covering Battlestar Galacticus Season four, episode eleven, Sometimes a Great Notion.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Yeah check this, things still work. Welcome back. I'm Bebe
and I'm Jason and this is Spacing Out for today.
We will be discussing Battlestar Galactica and if you are
new to the show, welcome, and you should know that
we will have a spoiler section at the end of
(00:31):
the podcast where we are free to discuss future events
from the remainder of the series as they relate to
this episode, but otherwise we won't be spoiling anything past
this episode, which is Battlestar Galactica Season four, episode eleven,
Sometimes a Great Notion. This originally aired on January sixteenth,
two thousand and nine. That's about seven months since the
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last episode aired. This was written by Bradley Thompson and
David Weddell, directed by Michael Nankin. The survivor count at
the beginning of the episode is thirty nine, six hundred
and fifty one people, the loss of fourteen from the
last time. In this episode, both the Human Fleet and
the Rebel Cylons are disillusioned after finding Earth devastated by
(01:14):
a nuclear holocaust. We learned that the thirteenth tribe that
left Koboal to populate Earth was actually a type of
Cylon race, and the final five Cylons had lived on Earth.
Starbuck finds a corpse with their own dog tags and
burns it, telling no one, well we o windows Well yeah,
no one important Cylon Deanna Bears chooses to remain on Earth.
(01:36):
Our dear Duala embarks on a nostalgic romantic evening with
Leadama and then promptly takes her own life. This devastates
Admiral of Dama, and after trying to prompt Colonel Tye
to kill him, he eventually takes action and to begin
finding the fleet a new home and even invites the
Silon Allies to join them. And then Colonel Tye walks
(01:56):
out into the sea and has a vision of Ellen,
leaving her to be the final silent.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Lots of stuff happens in this episode.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Vive check. Did we like the episode overall? How does
it stand the test of time?
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Oh? We will break it down in a moment, But first,
how did we feel overall? I liked it.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
I thought it was okay, I feel like some of
it was a little heavy handed, and then like I
feel like it kind of came out of nowhere with
De's storyline because she's been in the background for so
long of that it felt really cool to kill her.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
I wish we would have had.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Another episode where, you know, we could have seen her
hopeful and excited about Earth and give us a little
build up before her death, give us really emotionally attached
to this character so that we can feel what a
damas feeling, feel what.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Lee is feeling.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
I think that was a miss, But yeah, I'm it's
not my favorite episode, but I think it's like an
important episode for the show.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
You know, it needed to be told, it needed to happen.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
I think a tragedy beg it's a tragedy in a
lot of ways, and I feel like it is super
tragic that you find out that this thing that you've
been chasing turns out to be like this, like desolate healthscape.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yeah, I mean we have to. I think it is
like a necessary episode in that regard, because they can't
just bounce back from well or sucks. Let's try something else.
Like all of their hopes and dreams and reasons for
pushing forward. Are we're hinging on finding this planet? So like, yeah,
you have to deal with this huge loss that they
(03:45):
all have undergone. So well, I wasn't really looking forward
to this episode because I knew it was such a
downer as one of the darkest episodes of the whole series.
But it is necessary and I like, you know, we
learn a little bit about the side in the Thirteenth
Tribe and a little flashbacks about how they lived on Earth.
I kind of like those sequences. And there's some really
(04:06):
good well acted scenes, which one like with Tie and
a doma.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Oh yeah, I think Colonel Tye really put this foot
in it this one, Like he really did really well.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Yeah, for sure, I think that's I mean, obviously they're
two really good actors, but they've been playing these roles
for years now, and I guess you can really tell.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
I think it also probably like that long hiatus really
got them, like their lips were wet with like appetite
for acting. They're like, oh yeah, I'm coming back, baby.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Well, let's talk a little bit about that.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Trivia time. What facts could we uncover for sometimes a
great notion.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
So I've tried when finding out information about this writer's strike,
about this current writer's strike, this writer's strike from two
thousand and seven, to find accurate information about how exactly
it played out. With Battlestart, it's been a little convoluted.
I think people kind of have different memories of exactly
where they were in production when this happened. So the
previous episode, episode ten, I think when they were shooting
(05:11):
and editing that episode, they were well aware that this
strike was coming and that could be the last episode.
But they also they managed to get this episode shot
before the shutdown happened. That is my best understanding of
how that played out. So this episode was also written
to potentially be a series finale if the strike ended
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up canceling the show in the same way that the
previous episode was, so they just keep pushing as far
as they can and trying to have some sort of
ending if they have to. So the strike was called
the day before this episode was to begin filming, and
the script was ready, but no onset rewrites would be allowed.
The show runner, Ronald Moore, was also part of the strike,
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but he flew to Vancouver to speak to the cast
and crew and permitted the production of this episode to continue.
And Edward James almost reported he was telling everyone on
set that the show was going to get canceled and
was rallying everyone around the idea that this was the
final episode. What a bud, this is it, guys, We're done.
So he's like, you better turn in those performances because
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this is how we're going last.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
What a contradictory tone to what his character does.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
So scenes down on the planet were shot alongside the
previous episode, and several scenes. Several of the scenes were
not scripted and were directed by fellow cast members because.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
They didn't have writers.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Clamb guys, what do you want to do? Improvise and
it sounds like they were kind of giving them some freedom.
It's like, hey, you guys, take this cameraman and go
over here. Make something. The network had concerns about the
episode being so dark, but it was successfully defended by
the writers. The episode does not feature the main title sequence,
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presumably just for the title is a reference to the
nineteen sixty four book Sometimes a Great Notion by Ken Kesey,
which itself takes a title from the song good Night
Irene by Leadbelly. Never heard of any of that. Nope,
the original director's cut implied that Anders wrote the all
Along the Watchtower song, but it was dropped from the edit.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Yeah, I wrote this really famous Bob Dylan song, but
you know I'm also a pyramid ball player.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
That's rude. I'm sorry. Admiral Adama used the real star
system classifications of FG and K when he orders Gata
as a search for star systems. These are considered by
real world astronomers to be the most likely candidates for
life bearing.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Planets, and that has been confirmed that there are life
bearing planets and that extraterrestrials do come over and hang
out in Earth by the government at this time allegedly
maybe did they really say that? No, did the government
really out the aliens?
Speaker 2 (08:04):
There was some like testimony about it, but.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
It's not beneficially Okay.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
This is the final appearance of Lucy Lawless, as their
character chooses to remain on Earth.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Deep Space Dive. Let's break down some of our thoughts
on the episode. You can share your thoughts with us
through email, Facebook, or Twitter. We may use your comments
on an upcoming episode.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Do you want to talk about how weird it was
when they all of a sudden started focusing on d
out of nowhere.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yeah, I wrote, when the recap focuses on D, you
know it's going to be bad.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Yeah, well, you don't know why they're.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Focusing on D. It's confusing. Yeah. If you've never seen
this episode, remember when she and Lee were in love, Like, okay, why,
what's that matter? Yeah? Oh yeah, I mean that is
kind of a trope and shows like this that they
will heavily focus on a character right before killing them.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
It just sucks. I hate this again. I wish they
would have done an episode before this where they would
have given her like five minutes, five whole minutes of
like real dialogue and acting time where she was like,
I'm really excited. I think it's great that we're working
with the Cylons, even though I fucking hate them. I
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think we need them to find Earth and you know,
my prayers have been answered, and anything anything to show
us that her all of her eggs were in this
Earth's basket and in the way that many people were somehow.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Yeah, I agree. I mean we've talked about how D
has taken a back seat for this whole season basically
since she and Lee broke up. You just kind of
see her doing her job and that's it. But yeah,
we had no reason to think like d is like
more invested in like finding Earth than others, or.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
I feel like Laura should have had more of a reaction,
Like her reaction was like get me out of here,
Like that was the character that we have been focusing on,
So like why didn't we have her be somebody who
was like gonna take all of her sleeping pills and
how to get her stomach pumped in order for her
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not to die or something like somebody else could have
died or almost died because they won't kill Laura. She's
too important, even though she's a quote unquote dying leader
and she's skipping her treatments. Yeah, I just feel like
there wasn't any emotional connection to this character in a
way that made us like understand her reasoning behind wanting
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to end her life because this was the end. There
was nothing else, especially after having such a positive moment
with her husband and like she was acting. I guess
that's like an indicator of how when you do have
somebody who has thoughts and ideations of suicide that they
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can put on a mask, and her mask was like
I couldn't tell, but that's because I feel like the
writing was just really flat for her. There should have
been moments, there should have been something, except for like
they didn't reveal it until just right before she fucking
grabbed a gun, and it was shocking. And I feel
like sometimes there are signs, whether they're subtle or obvious.
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Is there's that, There is that, But I just wish
they would have shown the difference and the maybe like
how normally she would act with Lee and then compare
it to this day and then like show how she
was planning a perfect day so she could go out
on a nice day. I don't know, I just felt
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really hollow. I hate that for me and for this character,
which is like one of the only women of color
portrayed in this show. Like the lack of care and
the lack of thought that went to finishing her time
on this show just shows the kind of care and
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thought that they put into this care this person's presence.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Overall. It felt like, Yeah, it feels like they wanted
to have a character kill themselves to emphasize the devastation,
and they just found like a main character that they
didn't really have any other plans for.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Yeah, They're like oh, let's kill thee.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
The writer's room is probably full of mostly white, mostly
men people, and I think that their lack of tact
and thought is really evident in this episode, which sucks
because this episode needed like a lot of thought and
you have to be tactful. And I feel like the
show also, I don't know if I maybe I missed it,
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but there was nothing in the beginning or at the
end that gave you like resources for like the suicide hotline. No, so, like,
what are you doing. You're just putting out these horrible
things and images and feelings and you're not being accountable
for it. Like, if you're going to tell a story
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of suicide, you have to let people know that there
are resources and people out there who do not want
you to do this. We care about you and we
want you to live, and here's some resources. I'm glad
you told me, like, hey, there's going to be suicide
in this show, so I could like mentally prepare to
watch something terrible, and like there was nothing like that,
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And I think this was the time before trigger warnings
or anything like that. But I was seriously surprised there wasn't,
like at the end. If you were a friend, have
are going through something, here's the resources. I thought that
was shocking.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
I think we just need to take care of people,
and I feel like this show had a really big
and easy opportunity to do that and they didn't take
it at all, and they just dropped the ball so hard.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
I feel like Laura's character also did that.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
She's like so disappointed in herself and she's so upset
that this isn't the earth that she promised.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yeah, she's basically given up on her role and everything
as president, as leader. Yeah, she can't even say anything
when she gets off the plane.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
She knew it was going to be a problem. She's like,
get me out of here, and everybody pounced on her.
I love that when they came out of the ship,
somebody I don't remember who it was, but they just
slowly shook their head. They're like, it's a no, guys,
it's a no.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
And that sucks. I did like in that d scene
right before when she's talking to Gata. Gata tells her
she's glowing and they cut the Gata and he just
looks like shit, he's just pale.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
I thought he was gonna be the one that was
on the chopping block when you told me somebody was
going to die by suicide.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
And I was so.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Shocked when de pulled out the gun, I was like, shook.
I didn't I was flabbergasted. I was like, I just
I still can't believe it. Honestly.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
That's actually like the first thing I knew about the
show because I was a friend of mine was watching it.
So back in two thousand and two thousand and nine,
two thousand and nine, you were sitting at a steak
and shake, and he was just telling me how he
watched this episode and how it's really like fucked with
his head. Yeah, and told me, like the basic premise
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of the show is that they were looking for Earth
and then they find like a destroyed Earth and a
main character just like suddenly abruptly shoots herself. So like
I knew that before I ever watched the show, So
I knew like that was coming. To know who it
was or exactly when it was coming, wow, but I
knew that moment was coming at some point. Wow. Talk
about a spoiler.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Uh, But yeah, I think, like I really thought that
the reactions from the people in her Bunk were perfect
like shocked, crazy, upset and looking for help, like get
a medic, we need a medic, and Gata saying she's
gonna be okay. Oh that killed me. I'm like, she's
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not gonna be okay, guys, should just shut herself in
the face.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Yeah. That like immediate denial.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Yeah, that immediate, like we need to fix this. We
got we can fix this. This is okay, this is
a fine, we can fix it. We need a medic,
we need help. Like, oh my god, that was so
heart wrenching, like I could not even And then they
cut to like her body being shrouded and Lea Dama
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like sitting here, and they focus on his wedding ring
and then they pan up to him and he's just
like crying really quietly and pretty like he looked really
pretty crying.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
And then his dad comes in fucking drunk with a
bottle in his hand.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
That was crazy.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
I'm like Jesus Christ, and I feel like they've kind
of eluded and kind of shown bits and pieces of
how Colonel Ladama and Lee and d had a special
relationship not as strong as him and Starbuck, but I
think he really liked work, having d around, and he
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was happy that she was like his daughter in law
and all this shit. Yeah, and I really wish they
would have again played up the relationship more in a
previous episode. It would have been fun to have them
having dinner or something.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Yeah, just a little groundwork for this payoff.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Terrible thing to say, but yeah, it's just but I
want to see the reason why he's upset, Like I
want to see why I don't get it. You tell
her to like look up this cylon or where's my
ships or whatever your relationship is looks like it's purely work,
but she's also your daughter in law and in some
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ways like your daughter, show me, show me, please, I
want to see that. I want to see her have
a support system. If she doesn't have it, show me
that too, then, Like I want to see what's going
on in her life to make her feel so desolate
and so alone and so like capable of just being
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like fuck it, I'm done.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
I don't know. There were a couple of things she
said that I picked up on knowing that this was coming.
When she's talking to Lee, they're like reminiscing about New
Kaprica and the good times they had on Pegasus and.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Sorry, all I can think of is when Lee Adama
got fat. I think about Pegasus. I think about fat Leadama.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
That's when he was happiest. But she's telling him, you, like,
you helped keep the human race going. He's like, no,
we did that together. And she's like, and you're going
to do it again, and she's like clearly leaving herself
out of this, like you're going to do this without me.
But yeah, it's easy to miss, but okay, Yeah, so
Dama's trying to hold it together, but I think Roslin
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giving it up, giving up, and d suicide really just
breaks him downward spiral and he hits that bottle hard,
goes to see Ty.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
He stops a soldier and he's like, give me your
side arm, and as the soldier's handing it to him,
he's about to empty the magazine and he's like, keep
it loaded.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
I was like, you're loaded.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
You shouldn't be handling a firearm. And I didn't know
where the fuck he was going. And as he's walking
through the ship, you see the state of things.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Yeah, that scene, I mean, it's it's kind of cool.
It's also a little like very staged and choreographed. But
it's fine.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Yeah, like those two guys fighting, those people just sitting
there smoking, it was like nobody.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Gives a fuck. Yeah, but why are you all in
the hallways? Oh? What do you want to be?
Speaker 3 (20:27):
In a stinky bunk full of everybody's shoe smell? That's
what I think it smells like in those bunks, just
like nasty dirty feet.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Oh so you're gonna go lean on a crate in
the hall?
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Yeah, that's probably more exciting than just like chilling in
the room that smells like foot.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
I guess if you don't want to be alone.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Yeah, but I thought that was a fun like vignette
of they said morale it was low. They showed morale
being like bad, So I really enjoyed that.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
But yeah, he.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Gets to ties quarters and he knocks, and I thought
it was so funny that tie as he's opening the door,
the little I don't know what it's called. It's like
a valve. That little wheel just kept spinning for a
really long time and then it finally opened. And then
when he closed it, he didn't spin it at all.
So it's the door just open. It's not secure, Like
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he didn't close the door. I wish it would have span.
I wish they would have kept spinning.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
The door closed.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
If you're going to show me all that spinning to
open the door, I want to see all that's spinning
to close the door. But tis already drinking. He's that's
his normal every day right now. Because he's like a
cylon and nobody likes him.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Yeah, but he's not as far gone as a dama.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
No, But because he's a day, he's like a daily drinker.
He doesn't get gone like a dama anymore. He's drinking
just to keep himself alive.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
And so a.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Dama goes straight to ties cabinet that he knows he
keeps the booze in, and he grabs another gun and
he sits down at Tye's desk and throw shit around.
I hated that.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
I'm like, how dare you? He was working on that stuff? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Whatever that was, that paperwork that was probably a work
order for the toilets.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
He sits down and he's like, we're gonna talk, Manda.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Man, you're gonna fucking shoot me the face or something.
I didn't really get it. Can you summarize what he
did well?
Speaker 2 (22:30):
And there's layers to it, because you know, it's not
been that long since the DAMA found out Tye was
a cylon. They haven't really had a conversation about it,
which Tie has been pushing for. But so, yeah, he
does feel this like betrayal of the friendship. But he
also is he's hoping he can provoke Tie into killing him.
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He's not able to do it himself, and so he
and Ty calls him out on it.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
He's like, you, lily livered, son of a coward, and.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
It's really harsh, just like hearing Adama just start like
talking shit on Ellen. Oh yeah, supervoke Tie. Yeah, and
Ty's like, don't go there, dude. Well then he sees
through it and talks him down, and I feel like
you really get the sense of, like, despite everything, these
two are still good friends. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
I really liked the just a small detail of Tie.
Once he talked him down, he immediately grabbed that other
gun and emptied the chamber, and so like he neutralized
any sort of potential self harm as soon as he
was able to control get a hold of the situation.
And I'm like, that is a professional right there.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
That was really good.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
I don't know, I feel like Colonel Tye did a
lot in this episode for Adama, even though he was
in the whole episode throughout, Like just that little bit
right there was like so impactful to what Adama needed
to do. He's like, you know, you have a responsibility,
and if you fucking die, what kind of message is
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that for the rest of us?
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Like, that's not going to help D. Yeah, that was
a good way to contextualize it for him too. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
D's not the only one that's considered that. Yeah, she's
not the only one struggling. And if our leader goes
what does that? Where does that leave us? Remember how
shitty Tie was that leading this ship? He just shit
the bed constantly.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
I think, well, who knows what would happened because he's
a Cylon and known Zylon. Now, yeah, like what would
the reaction.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Be right now? Yeah, it wouldn't be good. I think
he was thinking of himself a little bit too on that,
like there's no way you're going to die because I
ain't going to.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Take charge of the ship.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
And so I think what he says really resonates with
a Dama, and a Dama gives this like rallying speech
to everybody, saying like you know these people did this,
Why the fuck can't we even.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Though they weren't people, they were cylons. That was like
a key.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
I feel like that's one of the government propagandas where
they don't like tell you the whole truth.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Yeah, I feel like they Eggs was like reminiscent of
the speech he gave way back in the miniseries when
he's like, I know where Earth is and we're gonna
go find it. Even though he was just like bullshitting,
he's kind of doing the same thing, like I'm going
to give him some sort of hope to keep us going.
But yeah, so they I don't know if they sobered
it up much before they walked into the CIC.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Yeah, I think they still had a little.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Bit of a hopefully they had like a slice of
bread or something.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Just hngue over Like you could tell there was a
there was a moment where he just like made this
ugly face and then and then he finally gave a
speech like he was having a migraine headache or something.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Just terrible feelings. I don't know. It also seemed like
everyone in the CiCe was just like waiting around, not
knowing what to do.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Yeah, they're like, Okay, we found earth. I guess we
just like stay here. I thought it was interesting that
Lucy Lawless character Diana was tired of running and didn't
want to continue anymore because she's afraid of Cavil. And
I was like, oh, I forgot about Cavel. I completely
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forgot that they're in a civil war. Yeah, And I'm like,
I guess she doesn't need food or water or any
sort of I think they do, So why is she
staying there? She don't die there? Yeah, that sucks. They
should at least give her like a survival.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Kit or something. Maybe she got something.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
I mean, hopefully if they need to eat, she's gonna
die of starvation. And that's like, a that's a horrible
way to die. That's a horrible way to die.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
But if they like, if there's maybe like animals, then
they could have all just stayed there. If there was,
if there was a way that one person could survive there,
then there would have been a way to figure out
how to let everybody survive.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Maybe, I don't know, I don't know. Maybe we'll get
to spin off of.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Doing a bear Girl styleless survival show. She's like fishing
in a polluted swamp.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
I think it's weird that she wants to stay when
there's no hope for survival. I feel like that was
another way of like seeing somebody choose death.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
It was for sure, I do know, like behind the scenes,
like they could only get Lucy lawless for like three
episodes or something, so she had to go out somehow
on this episode. Yeah, and then there was Kara. Yes,
So she finds her body in a wrecked viper that
has her number on it and has her dog tags,
And be honest, I don't really understand this. I don't
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know why her ship is crashed on Earth.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
When she exploded in space.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Yeah, I don't know either. There's there were three of
her then, like there's a lot of one that exploded
around car crashed on Earth, and then the one that's alive.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Like, yeah, there's a lot of plot holes around Kira.
So I don't know, Like.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
I'm not just playing dumb pretending like I don't know
what happens, Like I really just like in the context
of the show, like I don't know why this is
this way. Yeah, but yeah, she finds her dead body
in a wig.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
I was so upset and like tickled by the fact
that she found this like charred corpse with blonde hair,
and I'm like, girl, if your skin burned off, your
hair is gone.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
They're like, people aren't gonna get that at Starbuck, give
me that wig.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
I was just like, there is no way that hair
would have been odd.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Girl. There was another scene when the cylons were like
excavating some of the bones and the centurions from the ground.
There was like a number six in the foreground, and
then another character who was I'm pretty sure it's supposed
to be at number number six, and I had like
that same platinum blonde wig, but it is definitely not
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her face. I didn't notice that. And I know they
use like doubles all the time of the cylons, obviously
they have to. Yeah, but that one was just like obvious,
that's a man. That's funny.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
But yeah, So Kira has all these questions and Leobin's like,
I don't know, maybe we shouldn't look here. So it
feels like Leobin knows something but he's not sharing.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
He kind of seems like he's out a loss, but
he like tried to keep her away from finding this wreckage,
Like if he really was like not knowing then he'd
be like, yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Let's go figure it out, instead of being actively like
trying to slow her down.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Yeah. I mean he seemed genuinely like I don't like
scared of this knowledge. Yeah, like this all this has
gone further than what I guess he foresaw for Starbucks.
And he seems kind of timid about just taking it
at face value.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
I think, yeah, because it's hard to take him seriously
and like, you never know with him.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
He came into the show as a very cryptic speaking character. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
And then when she tells him that the Hybrid told
her that she was the harbinger of death, he's like,
I'm done talking to you, and he leaves, No, I'm.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Not really in the Starbucks anymore. I don't obsessed over
a different character. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
And so they show her building this funeral pyre and
I don't know, I feel like they could have made
the dummy a lot heavier for her so it felt
more realistic because she just flopped it on really easy,
Like I was like, I don't I'm not buying it,
Like they should have made it weigh the same thing
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she weighs and let her struggle with it to like
have this like sense of realism of what it would
be like to actually bury yourself. I would have loved that,
Like if they would have made like a wood dummy
that weighed as much as she did, like they could
have made parts of it would and parts of it
like styrofoam or something that's like not toxic to burn
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cardboard and like make her carry herself in her own
weight and make her like try to get that shit
up Like it would have been really impactful because she
just like put it up there like a sack of potatoes,
and I was like, I don't buy this.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Wasn't real. It didn't feel real to me.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Well, if it wasn't her, it wouldn't be her weight exactly,
I guess, because a lot of the and muscle got
burned off, so it was just mostly.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Bones and goo. So maybe I.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Guess I'm thinking of like what it would be like
to bury yourself as you are, I'm overthinking it.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Yeah. So she goes and she tries to confess all
this to Apollo, but she's been out of the loop
and she just learns about d and she's like, I
can't kind of burden him.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
With something else, right, now, I think your thing is
a little more important than my thing, so I'll just
hold onto my thing for now. But he also didn't
be like, what do you have to say? I'm sorry
I interrupted you. My wife just died. But were you
saying something?
Speaker 2 (32:39):
You know what I mean? When it's like I want.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
To talk to you, Oh yeah, we can definitely talk.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
What's up?
Speaker 3 (32:47):
And she's like, well, what's the matter with you? And
she's like, oh, you know, my wife died. She shot herself.
And she's like, oh, oh my god, are you okay?
And then it's like, oh, yeah, you know, I'm sad,
But what were you gonna say? That's what the dialogue
I wanted. I think I died too, you know, I
(33:11):
want too much. I want real, like regular people dialogue
and not like this like drama.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Like speaking of regular people. I thought it was nice
to actually see Hilo and Athena just like having a
fun moment with their child.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Oh yeah, I thought they were rubbing it in D's
face though. They were like just playing like so hard
with that baby, and then all of a sudden it
stops and they're like, here's your babysitter by. That was
a little weird. I wish that we would have seen
them playing. And then Dee knocks on the door and
(33:48):
then they settle the baby down and they sit her
down and they're like, hold on, baby girl, and then
they open the door and like it's calm, because the
transition period between the babysitter is usually like getting the
baby ready to be abandoned, and it's not like so
much high energy. You got to calm the baby down
and distract them with something or be like okay, look,
(34:10):
you're Auntie's here, or your babysitter or whoever de's here,
she's going to take care of you.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
You got to talk to the kid.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
It's like the I don't know, it was a weird transition,
and you could tell it was by somebody who's like
imagining what it would be like to be a kid,
like be a parent, because usually if somebody's gonna watch
your kid, you're gonna like prepare your child and have
an adult conversation being like, oh, yeah, thanks for doing this.
(34:39):
You know we'll be back around this time, and you
know where the emergency numbers are and help yourself to
the food and the fridge whatever we got cable.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Well, I think it kind of implies that these baby
said a lot for them.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
Yeah, maybe that does imply it's kind of out the door,
we'll be back soon, which I don't know if they're
going to work.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
It's like going out. Kind of a weird time to
do that, Like, just got this devastating news and well
the last time we saw Hilo and D, like d
was a wreck and Helo is like trying to comfort her.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Yeah, and then Fila was like playing with this baby
like nothing ever happened.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
He's like, they're there, D, by the way, can you
babysit tonight, I'm trying to get it in tonight. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
It was a really weird I think part of it
is that as parents, you have to put on a
brave face for your child and let them have a
good day every day, regardless of what hellscape is happening
around us. In the home, that's your child safe space,
(35:42):
and it should be a happy space, full of joy.
And I think that's the kind of parent that they're
trying to show them to be, Like, even though the
world is falling apart, we still have to have fun
and enjoyment and excitement because this baby has no idea
of the devastation that is going on around us, and
we have to keep that joy up for that child
(36:05):
for as long as you can.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Yeah. And it's also when when battles start focuses on
these kind of family units, it's rarely just like here
they are having a good time. It's usually like when
there's a conflict, someone's.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Frying baby with fucking Cali.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Yeah, like Chief and Cali is a good example. Like
we rarely ever saw like any aspect of them having
like a good, happy marriage. It's just kind of you're
implied that they're happy during other times, but we always
see them during a fight or during you know something,
something's in distress, the cabbage smell of her. I also
(36:47):
I wanted to point out that the web series that
we watched last time, which if you haven't seen, you
should check it out, because it takes place right after
this episode when they've they've teamed up with the Cylons
to continue looking for a new place to live, and
we kind of we get a shot of Gata's face
in this, showing that he is not happy with having
to deal with the silence. Anything else. In this, we
(37:12):
see little flashes of the final five living on Earth.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
Oh, yeah, fucking Chief was a nerd.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
I was a nerd in my fast life.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
I was going to buy some apples and strawberries, but
then the world ended.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Weird because he just wasn't really doing anything in that
He's just like walking around like, oh, look are these
flowers and oh some fruits.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Yeah, he didn't even have like it didn't look like
he was on a shopping trip or anything. He was
just walking around being a nerd. And Anders has his moment.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
With his guitar. Yep, little did we know he wrote
that song.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
Oh my god, that was such a I'm glad they
didn't include that.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
And then well I don't see anything from Tori, I
don't think, but she says she recalls and here's playing
that song for all of them.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
So was he like a busker? Was he like on
the streets playing for music for money?
Speaker 2 (38:12):
I think? Or was he at a concert? Like? Was
he was? He? He was like in the Barbie movie.
He was on the beach playing the guitar.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
Yeah, his job is beach.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
And they're like, did you write this song? He's like, yeah,
I did.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
But then Colonel Tied at the very end.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
Oh yeah, goes into the water which is like, it
gave me the ick when whenever I see somebody with
shoes and socks on going into the water and the
water goes above their shoes and socks.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
It's just like.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
And then he keeps going and he's wearing clothes in
the ocean, and I was like, I hope that ocean
is not cold.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
I don't know. I mean they shoot in Canada.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
Yeah, so like bravo again, he gave a stellar performance
in this episode. And then we cut to him at
an office building and all of a sudden, he's like
yelling for Ellen. So I guess their names didn't change.
So Ellen's in this world and she's trapped under the rubble,
(39:26):
and apparently she knows about the plan that we're going
to be reborn. I wonder how they chose who got
to be reborn. Was it based on like skills, talent
or like hotness?
Speaker 2 (39:40):
How do you choose who? Like who?
Speaker 3 (39:42):
The how many of them are like eight silons, thirteen silons?
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Well there's five from this group, uh huh. And I
don't know if I can say too much. I think
there's more to be revealed about how all this Okay.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
Yeah, but like so far we only have five silons
that we have that were reborn. I think it's weird.
I want to know what the criteria is. It's like,
is it kind of like that like high end bunker
where only like the global elite get to go in
and then the rest of us will perish when the
nuclear holocaust happens here?
Speaker 2 (40:17):
Probably? Yes, we need this older couple, this guitar player.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
And he's also really good at pyramid.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
This guy that's never seen fruit before with.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
The glasses, but he's got a really good mechanical mind.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Glasses that he apparently doesn't need anymore. Right, what happened
is glasses.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
He was reborn into a better body. Or do you
think he wears contacts? Maybe the Oculus decalactica.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
But yeah, so that is an episode. So if the
show ended here, it would basically be like, they're going
to keep going on this journey looking for a home,
and we know who all the cylons are. That's the end.
That's the resolution you would have got if they canceled
the show do to the strike, which.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
Edward James almost was definitely sure they were going to do.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
That's it, guys, that's our final show. You better make
it good. He just didn't want to go out with
the whimper.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Astral Queen, who was the standout character in the episode.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
All right, Astral Queen, where are you going to give
it to? I think I just want to give it
to d because I'm sad about her and I miss
her and I'm not going to have a chance to
give her another one.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
Oh, I'm going to give it to Colonel Tye because
he went in that cold water with his shoes and
socks on.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
And then he had to like dig.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
In the water and splash around and I don't know
how many takes it took.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Well, that is the end of the episode, and I'm
excited to be back back in the cockpit here with
you bebe the cockpit. You don't imagine that we're like
on one of the ships when we're recording.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
Like one of the ships where we're where Colonel or No,
Admiral Adama and Laura Roslin just.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Like fucked yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
But it's like it doesn't smell like funky old people's sex.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
No, there's like no the two pilots up front and
then we're in the back doing the podcast. It wouldn't
be so loud.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
I feel like No, I imagine we're in our own
space pod, like an emergency clean like almost like you
know how, there's Wally and then there's that other robot, Evy.
The space pod looks like ev and it's a really clean,
like ergonomic space that looks reminiscent of the nineteen sixties.
(42:55):
But yeah, because I don't feel like we're gonna stick
with just Battlestar Galactica. This is just our first story
that we're going to explore.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
We have more. No, when we finish, we're going back
to episode one, through it all again.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
You want me to talk trash on Cali again, I'll
do it.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
We're just gonna I have to. The Battle Star has
taught us anything, as everything is cyclical, it's all happened before,
it all happened again, and this is just a snaking
its own tail. No, No, that is not what's happening.
But we are excited to do these this last run
of episodes here. I've done the kind of prep work
(43:36):
for the final ten episodes already, so I'm excited for
what's to come. This episode was definitely it had to
slow down and take a moment. But after this, we're
just on a rocket. Ship full of action and revelations.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
Well, yeah, because it's like the final season, right, yep, Yeah,
they have a lot of things to explain.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
Yeah, exciting things to come. So we're going to go
into the spoiler section now and maybe talk about some
of those things. If you don't want to join us
for that, then don't get out, but we will see
you for the next episode titled A Disquiet follows My
Soul and I believe we're gonna watch an extended cut
of that episode on the DVD or Blu Ray version.
(44:18):
But if you don't have access to that, I'll explain
what the added scenes are and it's not that different.
Let's put our living stereo stylist in this group.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
Brace for impact spoilers ahead. If you haven't seen the
whole series, now is the time to say goodbye. Remember
you can contact us at Spacingoutpod at gmail dot com,
find us on Facebook and Twitter, share your thoughts and
be a part of the discussion. Spoilers In five four
(44:50):
three two one.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
Girl Ellen Tye is coming back. Yep, she is gonna
come and she's gonna be pissed because she's been hanging
out with call this whole time. Fucking Cavill. I forgot
all about Cavell. Does he catch up with them?
Speaker 2 (45:09):
Then? Yeah? They So we're going to have an arc
with Gata leading a insurrection on Galactica, and that's going
to take up the next few episodes. But then we
get Ellen back, and because Ellen died and resurrected, she
has all of her memories back, and we learned that
Cavell was the one that placed these five on Earth
(45:32):
and implanted memories and them forcing them to live as
humans and leaving that they're humans. But she's going to
wake up and know the truth and she'll catch up
with the fleet, and then we're we heading to the
end of the series and it's the big confrontation with
cavill and trying to rescue Harah. So it is it
is definitely an exciting run of episodes. They brought back
(45:53):
the All Along the Watchtower song in this episode for
a moment, and that's going to keep coming up, and
it is a big role with Starbuck and finding another
planet that they also decided to call her.
Speaker 3 (46:05):
Because they can't be creative. That's why they said they
didn't write that. There's no way they could have written
All Along the Watchtower and then not thought of another
name or another planet.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
Oh, let's go it Earth again.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
No, if you wrote a song called all Along the Watchtower,
you'd come up with another name. Okay, I think it's
weird that Starbuck is an angel.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
Yeah, we'll talk about this in one of the later episodes.
But we learned that there was another Cylon called Daniel,
Damn Daniel. He was number seven, and Cavil killed him
out of jealousy and like completely destroyed his whole line.
But a lot of fans thought that, like Starbuck might
have some connection to Daniel, like maybe that was her father,
(46:52):
or she is somehow another version of him, and to
kind of explain her existence, but the show decided not
to go that route. They just don't explain her at all. No,
not really. I mean they heavily imply that she has
a purpose to fulfill and then when she fulfills it,
she's just gone. And then they heavily imply that Head
Baltar and Head six are angels. So you can presume
(47:13):
that starbuckets too.
Speaker 3 (47:15):
I did miss Boltar in this episode. Yeah, they showed
like a little clip of him being sad.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
Was he did some science stuff determining that they were cylons.
They all silence. But yeah, that's that's what we're setting
up for. You got any other spoilers spoilery content to cover.
Speaker 3 (47:33):
I can't think of anything. I really forget what happened
in this. When was the last time we watched this?
It was like in twenty sixteen or something.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
Oh, the first time you watched it? Yeah, probably somewhere
around then.
Speaker 3 (47:49):
So yeah, I can't remember everything that happens. That's why
I like you to spoil things for me, and I
ask questions about, like what happened because I fucking up, bro,
I cannot recall. All right, Well, thanks for joining us. Uh,
you have a good day, safe travel.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
We'll see you next time. And Cracker, Cracker, I like
that graffiti.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
Thank you for spacing out with BB and Jason. You
can help us out by subscribing and leaving a positive
rating or review. Next time we will cover Battlestar Galactica
Season four, episode twelve, A disquiet follows my soul. We
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