October 29, 2025 • 48 mins
Welcome to Spacing Out With BB and Jason! We’re covering the 2004 reboot of Battlestar Galactica, and this week we’re discussing the BSG TV movie, “The Plan”. Thanks for joining us!
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hey, everybody, this is Jason, just doing a little intro
before the podcast starts. We originally released this episode covering
the Plan on December eighth, twenty twenty three, which means
we were wrapping up our coverage of the reimagined Battlestar
Galactica on the twentieth anniversary of the premiere of the
mini series. Yes, the mini series premiered on December eighth,
two thousand and three, and I believe it is that
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long ago, and I hope that through this podcast, we've
shown that the themes and the discourse and the series
are still relevant, will continue to be relevant, and I
love seeing that there are people out there still engaging
with the show or even discovering it for the first time.
It really is a special show, and it is bittersweet
for us to be at the end of our coverage,
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but I'm proud of what we've done. It took BB
and I a little over three years to get to
this point, and it has been a really meaningful experience.
As you may know, we recorded and released all these
episodes originally between twenty twenty In twenty twenty three, and
this was on our main podcast feed called Spacing Out
with BB and Jason, and we've been continuing to release
content on that feed covering different TV shows and movies.
(01:10):
So if you want to continue to follow us through
other series, you can check out what we've done and
what we have coming up. On the Spacing Out with
BB and Jason podcast. We've covered some Star Trek, our
Flag Means Death, Firefly, probably a lot more. By the
time you hear this, we will at some point be
circling back to cover Kaprica and Blood and Chrome, since
those are in the Battlestar universe. I'll be posting those
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episodes here as well as over on our main feed,
which is also where we have everything else. There's a
link in the notes to find our main podcast, Spacing
Out with BB and Jason on whatever podcast app you use.
All right, that's enough for me. Let's hear from other me.
Let's start the show. Computer voice take it away.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Welcome to Spacing Out with BB and Jason this week,
covering the Battlestar Galactica TV movie The Plan.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Welcome back on Bby and I'm Jason, and this is
Spacing Out where today we will be discussing Battlestar Galactica
and if you are new to the show. Welcome, and
you reached us here at the end of our journey.
It's been a little over three years of us talking
about Battlestar Galactica.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Three years. That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Yep, so not the best place to jump in, but
here we are. We're talking about the Battlestar Galactica TV
movie The Plan, and this aired originally on Well. The
originally was released on DVD in Blu Ray October twenty seventh,
two thousand and nine, and then it aired on TV
on January tenth, twenty ten. This was written by Jane
(02:46):
Esfinson and directed by Edward James. Almost. Oh, we don't
have a survivor count on this because it is all
over the place. In this movie, set in the timeline
of the first two seasons of Battlestar Galactica, events are
retold with an emphasis on the Cylon perspective. Two John
Cavill Silon's plan to annihilate humankind. One orchestrates the Sylon
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agents on board the Galactica, and the other tries to
sabotage the resistance efforts on Kaprica.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
He does a really shitty job.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
The film provides an alternate alternate perspective on many events
already known to the viewer.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Vibe check. Did we like the movie overall? How does
it stand the test of time?
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Yeah? I feel like this movie was definitely for the fans.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yeah, yeah, this is not like a standalone story. If
you're scrolling through a streaming service and you see this
and clicked on it, you'd be very confused unless you
had seen all of Galactica and remembered it pretty well
as well, because it takes you through the timeline and
it gives you little little drops to like realize where
we are. But if you've forgotten all that, you'd have
(03:56):
a tough time keeping up. Yeah. So yeah, it's more
of like a a companion piece to the main series,
and anything that stands on its own does give you
a bit of like a highlight reel from the first
couple seasons, like hey remember this, remember this?
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Yeah? Did you like the movie?
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Yeah? I liked it. I always feel like if you
like watch and release order and you watch this right
after you watch the finale, I feel like it's anti climactic,
because like the finale was big and brought the story
to a close, and then it's like, hey, let's go
back and clean up these loose ends.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
There were some storylines that never even were looked touched
on in the series because it would like it was
like a b plot for a Cylon character that wasn't
part of the show. And I kind of hate that.
I wish that was part of the show. Like it
was common knowledge that Simon was married and had worked
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in the medical bay for a long time.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Yeah, he gets character development in this. Yeah, he had
very little in the show. He's like a very cold
character in the show most of the time.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Yeah. The most airtime he had was in the farm
and it was scary.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Yeah. He's always like a doctor that's ready to slice
and dice everyone.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
But so yeah, I mean I like, I like getting
more of that, I guess, more of more development on him.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Yeah, I like it for what it is. If you're
wanting to go into it wanting it to be something else,
then it's going to disappoint you, I guess.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Yeah. I feel like you need to go in knowing
what it is. And it's a kind of an inside
look on specifically Cavil side of things and his movements
throughout the war that they've been going through. So if
you go in knowing that at least, then you shouldn't
be too disappointed in what you're getting out of this.
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And I think it's a really good like as a
piece of the Galactica like universe. I think it's it's
a good, strong piece. I think I enjoyed it more
than I enjoyed the other one, Razor. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Yeah, well, similar to Razor, I don't think that the
release order is the best place to watch it. I
think I wrote it down where they say you watch
this between the episodes No Exit and Deadlock in season four,
so it's near the end of the series because.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
There's a lot of spoilers. Otherwise, yeah, there's a.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Lot of spoilers. We know all the final five Sylons,
So like, if you want to avoid spoilers and kind
of fit it into the continuity, the episode No Exit
is that episode that gives you just like an information
dump about the Cylon backstory where Cavil like explains all
this stuff to Ellen and Anders is explaining all the
stuff that he realizes.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
It's the episode where Ellen wakes up.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Yeah, so I feel like it kind of pairs really
nicely with that episode because it's like this is what
Cavill did to the cylons. He tells you about it
and then kind of shows you some of it.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Yeah, because I feel like, if you don't remember what
he's done for the siloons, you don't understand why they're
so willing to do his bidding, because that part's really
hard to understand for me, as a person really likes
to challenge authority. I'm just like, geez, why are they
listening to this guy? He's a fucking dumb ass.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Well, at the end they outvote him. Yeah, but yeah,
that's I liked it though. That's where I think it
kind of fits bests.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Better there instead of at the end. I would definitely
sneak it into the middle of season four instead of
at the end of it.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Also, I wanted to say it does a really good
job of intercutting the old footage and new footage and
kind of matching all the continuity.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
I wanted to say that, but later, Okay, well, I'll.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Let you say it later. I'll let you say it later.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Yeah, because I figured you wanted to do trivia. It
looks like there's a lot of trivia on.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
This there's a little bit of trivia. Let's get into.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
It trivia time. What facts could we uncover for the plans?
Speaker 1 (07:53):
All right? So at one point there was slated to
be three movies following the finale what but it was
reduced to wine And there's not really any information about
what the content of the other movies would be other
than that they had some of the series writers attached
to them. So the unrated version was released on DVD
and Blu ray, and it contains nudity, while the version
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aired on Sci Fi does not. Boo, we watched the
unrated one. Yeah, and it's funny to kind of learn
about this. So like when they're making a movie like this,
that they know they're going to present two versions, they
shoot these scenes twice and once with everyone covered and
then they do the nude version.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Nice. Oh, we should have watched the covered up version two,
just to see the discrepancies. I wonder what top the
bartender was laring.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
So Edward James almost and writer Janis and saying the
range for an equal number of men and women to
be nude in the scenes, but then several male actors
backed out of being nude at the last minute. Boo,
that's why we saw one penis And that's all I counted.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Yeah, there was way more tips to Dick's ratio even
I mean, naturally there's going to be because there's two pairs,
there's one pair of breasts and only one penis to
stand against the pair of breasts.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Yeah, I understand the man, but I like.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
That they were like hoping to get that. I don't
know why actors do that. I think it's kind of
this thing where men are protected against being exposed because
it's like kind of an undesirable thing to see on television.
And I think that's part of the male gaze that
like is so deeply ingrained in media and in the
minds of people who are part of the media, like
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just show us your dick, dude, Damn, these chicks are
taking off their tops and they're like chillin. They're brushing
their teeth, they're serving drinks. Like, your penis is not
that vulnerable, man, it's your balls you got to worry about.
I don't know, I'm sad. I wish there was more
penis to like female nudity, like that's equity, and I
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think that was I think that was very admirable of
the director to think about.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Yeah, and it makes sense that they have these co
ed bathrooms where they're showering and all, and it's like
it's not a sexual thing. It's just like they're all
in there.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Mess, it's a.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Bathhouse, but it's co ed. Yeah, we're at the gym
whenever we're in the locker room. They're living in the future.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
So at the very beginning there's a universal logo, but
instead of the Earth in the logo, they had the
planet Kaprica.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
I did not notice that.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
It's one of those subtle things they slip in there.
The movie intercuts new footage with existing footage of her.
Most scenes utilize different angles and a different edit to
avoid it feeling like a clip show. Katie Sakoff and
Mary McDonald were not available for this production, so their
characters do not make do not appear in any new footage.
Who's Mary McDonald President Rosin. Oh, she was not even
(10:54):
in this movie at all. I don't remember seeing a
mention of her.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
I don't think there's any scenes of her speaking at least,
no nothing. Yeah. Lucy Lawless was also unavailable for this production,
and the role they were going to have for was
replaced with the Number six was working with cavil aboard
the Galactica. Also, they reference her in the movie being
because she's doing that documentary during the show, so like
they kind of Offan mentioned that cavill let her go
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do her own thing. She was document And the actress
that played Sushan, who's part of Anders Cruse, she's the
one that was taken to the farm during that episode
along with Starbuck. She was unavailable and she was recast.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Nobody noticed, sorry Sushan.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
And director Edward James almost stated that he made several
homages to the nineteen forty eight movie The Boy with
Green Hair, which starred a then twelve year old Dean Stockwell.
Dean Stockwell's the actor that plays cavil Oh.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
That's interesting, So a movie about him has lots of
references when he was obviously a very young man.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Yeah, so that's what that young boy in the movie
in this movie was kind of being.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Portrayed it in like, yeah, like scenes from that movie.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Yeah, and he said he wanted to give that kid
green hair, but no one else was on board with it.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Yeah, it would have been okay if that was like
an established reality. And in the Battlestar Galactica universe, where
people had crazy hair, Yeah, which would have been really
cool as part of like the visual dynamic of the
show in general, I would have loved to see people
with like purple green, like crazy hair, but like be normal,
(12:32):
like working at a job, Like part of the presidential
cabinet has like green hair.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Like on the Simpsons they have blue hair and it's
just normal.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Yeah, or even like thinking of the fifth element and
how that Leelu has like that bright orange hair but
she blends in mostly other than she's like Mila Jocko
Rich or whatever her name is, and she's like a
gorgeous woman. But there's so many gorgeous women in that universe.
Oh my god, I love that. Okay, but yeah, I
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would have liked that like futuresh like present but future
kind of melding. And then that would have been like
totally okay to see a little boy with green hair,
because like there's a bunch of kids with colorful rainbow hair.
What else?
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Jason close up shots of the rubble on Python are
actually the remains of the Battle Stars Hangar Bay, set
shortly after it was struck and bulldozed. Wow, because the effects, huh,
they were shooting this kind of as things are getting
torn down. As we also mentioned that when we were
talking about the web series with Gata The Face of
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the Enemy, those are being shot kind of at the
same time, and they were tearing down the sets and
trying to get the shots done before that. And speaking
at the two thousand and nine San Diego Comic Con,
Edward James almost stated he believes there'll be several more
Battlestar Galactica movies in the future, and it's confident that
the DVD release of the Plan will sell well enough
to facilitate these films.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
And he was wrong.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
I thought that it was funny to put in.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
There because he was so confident. Dang, y'all needed you
all were ripping the dvdvo you probably like downloaded onlin
wire or something right.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Deep space Dive. Let's break down some of our thoughts
on the episode. You can share your thoughts with us
through email or social media. We may use your comments
on an upcoming episode.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Okay, So I do want to talk about how they
intercut old like shots into the show into the movie,
and I was so confused because Chief was skinny again
and I was like, I thought they couldn't get shots
from back in the day because he was like he
gained so much weight, and I'm like, how did they
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get this shot? And when you said that, I was like, oh, okay,
so they like recycled because they shot the show from
so many angles and they did all these scenes that
there's that shit's.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Just a yeah yeah. I mean he definitely reshot some
stuff with him. I mean there's whole storylines with him
and added to this.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Yeah, And you can tell there's been a passage of time.
But in the very beginning, he's still like skinny Chief
and I'm like, what's going on? But I would have
I wouldn't mind if they reshot hit. I think he
looks pretty similar still, regardless of I don't know how
much weight he put on, but it's not that big
as noticeable enough like.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
When you see him for the first time in like
that like season one shot, like whoa, that's like a
babyface Chief tier.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Yeah. But then when he's like in the scene with
that girl after they find out that her husband was
a Cylon, he's definitely more weathered and definitely the Chief
were used to. But I'm like, it's not that different,
and I'm glad that he had a role in this
that was outside of his like Cylon Daddy role.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Yeah, there's just like a really good job of matching
all the continuity. Like there's shots that are added in there.
They're like if you're not really studying it, like you
would not know that that was shot years later. Yeah,
and including with the same actors. They're like matching their
facial hair and makeup and lipstick and everything.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Yeah, it's really well done. In some locations, I read
like we're not available anymore. They had to like remake
locations or find a new place that looks close enough.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Wow. I think they did really good job, like with
the continuity of the show. That was something that I
literally had no idea how they did it because some
of the shots felt so fresh and like I didn't
recognize them, but I knew that they were from the
beginning of the show, and I'm like, how did they
do that? I seriously thought I was looking at some
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CGI chief. I was like, wow, No, And I really
like that they were giving us these perspectives on Caprica
before the bombing, before the war initiated. From all of
these other perspectives, I think one of the characters that
is always getting the short end of the like storytelling
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stick though is toy?
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Yeah? I wrote that note down. I'm like because it
was it was nice to see her at the beginning,
like like, oh, we're going to follow all five of
these cylons.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Yeah, I'm going to figure out what her background is,
what her deal is. She's just in a car and
has a car accident, like.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
What Yeah, And I thought we would maybe get filled
in on what she was doing during the first couple
of seasons because she doesn't enter the storyline until like
the end of season two. I think Billy dies. So
I'm like, what was she doing on the fleet? Yeah,
like during that time, where would she How did she
get on? Like I would have loved to see her
get rescued and put in a colony and you know,
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having them find a role for her like something, But
I don't. It was just sad that she didn't get
any She barely got any lines. I think her one
line was like talking about how easy it was to
go from one place to another on the car phone
or whatever, Like what somebody had to explain the transportation
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dynamics on Caprica? How else would we know?
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Yeah, it's like it takes an hour, the bus runs
every hour, the shuttle runs every hour or whatever. I
was like, wow, that's her only line in this whole movie,
and she's one of the final five.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Yeah, I was upset. Meanwhile, Andrews was all over this thing.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Oh yeah, Andres like was a shining star. Like they
were like, don't you ever forget that this guy used
to be a professional pyramid player turned rebel leader. Ever
forget that before he was a baldy in a sack
of goo. He was a leader through and.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Through, even when they had a coach.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Yeah, the coach didn't know what to do. He's like,
I don't know, what do you think? Andres, I'm like, dude,
that's not coach energy. Okay, you're not giving coach energy
right now. Uh. But yeah, Andre's definitely had a lot
of teaching to do, apparently because they pick up Cavil.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
I love that scene though, where they figure out the
Silons are people. Yeah, and I love that they used
car salesman guy. Yeah, what is he? Number four?
Speaker 1 (19:21):
No, Simon's number four. Doral would be.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Well either way, he's obviously like number zero because he's
left in charge of cleaning up dead bodies and He
even says, we shouldn't be doing this, it should be
the centurions.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Yeah, and it makes more sense. I never explain why.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Well, the centurions can do it better, probably because like
they're bigger, they're probably like able to move bodies more
in a more effective way. And these silons that are
in a human body have human responses. And you can't
tell me that a pile of dead, rotting corpses is
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going to be pleasant to be around for another person
who has the ability to smell and see and and
and and just be around that. I feel like that
was just a poor like project management like decision, Like
I would have put the centurions on that too.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Well, even not just like the the emotional response, but
like physically, like they're wearing face masks.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying, Like they're they're they're people,
they're they That's not the right thing for them to
be dealing with. I don't think that's like healthy. Yeah,
I think the centurions should have been able, should have
been the ones to do that, but conveniently they weren't.
And they were they look like COVID responsors, like they
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were responding to a COVID outbreak because they were wearing
a face mask and that little like pajama onesie that
the healthcare workers were wearing for a while, and when
they all starting off their face masks and you can
I don't like, that's a really bad idea. And I
wish there would have been like a literal gag response
where they like took off the masks. Oh my god,
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why are the centurions doing this? That would have been
really good. I feel like the director could have just
thought about it a little more, like why are they
so upset? Give me motivation? But then Cavel's with them
and he like throws himself down on the pile, and
when they all get murdered except for him, he's like,
(21:30):
help me. What a clever bitch?
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Right?
Speaker 3 (21:35):
I was like, damn, he's a fucking niacal asshole. And
they take him up and they pick him up and
they're like, oh, that's nothing suspicious about this. You don't
even have any broken bones or blood on you. You're
completely clean.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
He's like, I was just playing possum so that they
wouldn't hurt me.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Yeah, no, I don't believe it. I'm sorry I saw them.
There was the foot that they showed of the centurions
just shooting people in cars, like double tapping, making sure
everybody was dead. That was like, okay, so why aren't
you dead, dude? Like, I'm sure they didn't miss and
I would have been helldless suspicious, but nobody was like,
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They're like, we got a survivor, hurry up, help him.
And Carol like starts talking to onders about punishment and
whether or not the human race deserved this, and Andres
is like, I don't think so man like people as people.
I feel like Andres has like a very genuine do
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gooder mindset, and Cavel is like so jaded and kind
of a dick that he doesn't understand Anders' perspective at all,
and a part of him hates him for it, and
another part of him is so curious about it because
it's so far removed from anything he's ever heard. It's
almost like Cavil is experiencing like different worldviews for the
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first time ever, and however long he's been alive, it
sounds like everybody's agreed with him. Everybody's like listen to him,
everybody's like followed his orders, and now he's in a
place where he's vulnerable and he can't out himself. He
can't kill anyone like outright without like becoming a suspicious
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person and outing himself. So all he can do is listen,
and he's having a hard time comprehending, and he's like
talking about it, like why are you still in Like
I don't understand love, I don't understand mourning. I don't
understand grief, and Anders is like so bothered by him.
He's like, we're in the middle of a war. We're
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walking through the woods trying not to get fucking murdered.
What the fuck is wrong with you? Of course you're
gonna love the people who die, and that seems like
such a human thing, like, of course we're gonna mourn
those who have been lost and we're going to continue
to love them. But that is such an alien thing
that is so human to Cavil that he doesn't understand it.
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And I think that's why he's like processing that sentence
trying to destroy Starbucks, the thing that Anders loves, and
has the opportunity to shoot her right in the face,
and he doesn't take And I'm like, that's that's like
growth and development and something that I like to see.
I wish it was done a little more carefully, like
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instead of them walking through the woods and being like,
oh I would to here kid, kind of like you
know what I mean. Like there wasn't like a deep discussion.
It was just like them kind of going back and
forth in the middle of the woods, in the middle
of like doing something else. It could have been the
conversation they had when he was doing confession or something,
but I don't know. It was interesting, and I think
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this is why, like it's I think it's interesting that
they picked Cavell to be the main character of this
show or this movie.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Yeah, because we have two Cavills who kind of started
the same place in the different points, and.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
The other one obviously he has the same aspirations of
like foiling the humans. They both had this initial plan
to wipe out the human race and one thing they
didn't count on. And I think Cavil called them this.
He called him a cockroach, like the cockroaches, and I
was like, oh, that's kind of really telling of how
he feels about humans. And he's so like, they try
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to annihilate the human race and they are still surviving,
They are still living in this colony in this on
this Earth, and so Carol in the colony knows that
he's vulnerable, but he's still a public figure, it seems like,
because he has like a chapel and like he puts
up flyers and stuff, and they call him in to
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talk to chief, to be a priest.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Yeah, because he he puts up those flyers knowing that
all the Cylons would see.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Them, right, it's a Cylon dog whistle. And he's trying
to figure out like a way to continue the mission,
the mission being to destroy all humans in mankind, and
eventually it becomes destroying a dama because he's the representative
for Galactica. Galactica is the leader of the colony, and
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he thinks, maybe rightfully so, that by destroying this ship
or this captain or whatever admiral, that it will destroy
the fleet. And I don't know, I don't know if
that's true, because I feel like humans they are like cockroaches.
You can't kill them right away. Like they're they're sturdy,
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they're hearty, they're they're gonna find a way.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
But well, we kind of we come to see that,
you know, the plan as they called it throughout the
entire series was really just more of improvising these little
attack primmages, Yeah, trying to like they're these ones on
the fleet are outnumbered, so they have to do like
little either subtle things.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Orrilla style where you're like wearing a suicide vest and
you're trying to kill everybody within like a I don't
know what was it like ten meters radius?
Speaker 1 (27:11):
I like that. Later they said he did minor damage
to a minor hallway.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Yeah, and it was weird to me that it went
the fire bomb went everywhere except that side hallway that
Adama went into, Like it only went in one direction
down the hallway.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
We all know fire doesn't turn corners.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Yeah, but I thought it was really interesting that like
he kept insisting that he's in charge and that he's
the leader, and that he is going to give orders,
and he gives orders two very reluctant cylons. The only
ones who don't seem to be very reluctant are the
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Brunette six, who's like sleeping with him. Yeah, he basically
drives these cylons to death, like they don't want to
fuck with him anymore. They want to do what he
says because he knows they know that it's like what's
needed or what's supposed to be part of the plan.
But like Simon, I think his storyline was so interesting
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that he's like he saw the flyer and he's like,
that's shitting for me. Dude, I got a wife, I
got a step daughter. I'm part of like the life
saving crew on the Galactica. Or maybe he's on another ship.
That's not clear. Apparently he lives on a ship.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Yeah, they're living on another ship. But I guess his
wife works on Galactica.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
So is there like a shuttle she takes every day?
Speaker 1 (28:32):
It must be.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
They don't explain that.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
I wish they would have everyone that worked in that
hangar deck would need to live on Galactica.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
That's what I thought. That's what I seriously thought. That's
why I was so confused. And then when he was
mad at her that she was late, I'm like, dude,
she's coming in from another ship.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
By the way, Aaron Doryle is number five five five
is a lot Leo Win's number two, and Simon is four.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Who's number one?
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Cavil Oh, yeah, yeah, he didn't get up for Yeah.
This whole thing of like annihilating humanity is just his
like petty jealousy.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Yeah. Yeah, mommy and daddy didn't love me.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Ye, his two mommies and three daddies.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Yeah, but like he said that all of the humans
are dad's and moms. Yes, so the humans didn't like
you either. That was interesting too, to say that Adama
was her father, as all human men are her father,
and it was interesting. I liked it. I thought it
was cool. And again, I think I felt really bad
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for Simon because he was like put against his life
and his stability, and he even broke that by turning
to alcohol to try to cope with it, and it
didn't seem to work. So then he decided he was
going to do something about it. And at first I
thought he was going to listen to Cavil. I thought
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he was preparing to like terminate this ship. And I'm like,
I don't remember them ever having like a ship explode.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Right, But I'm also like, I don't remember them ever
mentioning this ship before.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Yeah. So he's in the dark with like a flashlight
on his mouth or neck or something. I don't remember
where the flashlight was coming from. But he's in the
dark and he's working these wires and trying to do
this thing and then you find like it backs away
and it just it's it's an what's it called the AirPod?
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Air lock?
Speaker 3 (30:31):
The airlock? What's an AirPod? Oh, it's the earphones.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Okay, he puts his ads in.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
And it's the final countdown. No, but he's like jettisoned
out basically. And I think it's really interesting the way
that they did his makeup as he was like floating
away with the like white out eyes and the sad
look on his face and like, I don't know he
said he They said he left a note which is
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like really sad too. Like there was an investigation and
they're like, how did a doctor know how to operate
an airlock? And I'm like, well he didn't. It looks
like he tried to figure it out, right, He figured
it out somehow.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
It took him a while.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
And the thing is it was interesting that they did
that for him, but then they never looked up or
researched the airlock that kept the six was airlocked out
of that CAVLL just flipped a switch on, right, and
that was just like in a random hallway, so like,
and I was like, why is there such a discrepancy
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about like airlock technology and where these airlocks are. Maybe
that ship is different than the Galactica. But I feel
like on the Galactica, when Calli was taken out of
the airlock, they like were able to look at the
records and see that the airlock was like jettison from
the inside or whatever.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Yeah, well, able to look at like who who locked
in access or card whatever was used?
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Yeah, So but I'm guessing, like I don't think you
can like typically airlock yourself from inside, So I think
that's maybe why he was doing so much rewiring.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Yeah, but then why did they write off Calli's is like, oh,
she was drunk and dumb. It was like, I don't know,
there's a lot of plot holes here that need to
be investigated. With this airlock situation, I feel like they
should have thought about it a little bit more, especially
if they're going to show Cavil airlockin a six. Just
willy nilly, That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
But yeah, they do explain a few moments from the
first season that were kind of never explained in the episodes,
like what happened to that number six and she fell in.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Love with Baltar obviously, as all number sixes tend to do,
except for the number six that was sleeping with Cavil.
That was so gross. Anytime anybody engages with Cavel is
nasty loough.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Yeah, why is there so much like sex with Cavil?
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Like everybody was like Ellen Ty was flirting with him
as she was eating olives, showing off her booty, and
then Sharon kissed him ill Yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
That kind of like shows us where the start of
like the boomer Cavil relationship was.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Yeah, and that was also very gross and manipulative, and
like she was obviously trying to tell him like I
can't do this, and he's like, fuck you, you're doing it.
And as he was leading her on romantically, he was
also fucking the other number six. That's three different sexy
ladies that were all over Cavil, and that made me grow.
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I feel like Edward James almost was like I got you, buddy,
But yeah, I think the Cavil on Galactica had tried
more and so instead of listening, instead of having like
a human interaction, he was isolated. He was on his own.
He was like creating plans that continuously failed, and so
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where one Cavil turned to understanding the other Cavil turned
to resentment, and it was weird when he just stabbed
that little boy. I thought maybe there was going to
be like a moment of clarity where he's like, oh,
humans aren't bad, but he's like, humans are trash, and
he's like, and they're very pliable. Boot boom, and he
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stabs that little boy with a knife that looks like
a prop from high school play.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
The n'n it pretty much.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
It looked like a prop from a high school play
and the little boy iconic death scene. He just went
PLoP prop.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
It was so good.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
I would think this was my favorite death besides the
Share and death with a Cali, which they replayed, and
I thought that was like really touching and moving that
they showed share and die again and showing her humanity
coming back to her because she said she lost it
when she shot a dye.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Yeah, so we learn quite a bit more about what
was going on with her as a sleeper agent because
in the series we never saw what happened when she.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
Was in Sylon mode.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Yeah, and she wasn't under her deep cover because we
never really knew, like was did she have another like
personality like she does in that we saw in this
movie or was she just like in a like a
drone state like a Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
I seriously when I first watched the movie or the show,
I mean I thought it wasn't her. I thought someone
was fucking her.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Like setting her up. Yeah, like she wakes up ye
wa yeah, which, hey, Wet Sharon was back.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Wet Sharon is back. But yeah, I thought that somebody
was fucking with her. I was like, there is no
way that this cute Asian woman is like a Cylon, Like,
there's no way. But it turned out she was a
Cylon and she was a sleeper agent and apparently anytime
she had a conversation with Cavil she didn't remember it after.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Yeah, so they set up there's like that little trinket.
I think it was an elephant.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
It was a wooden elephant.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Yeah, yeah, which I believe. In the series, when she's
living on Caprica, we see her she has elephants is
there as well? But yeah, so that's like what triggers
her to wake up. And we also we understand why
she didn't actually kill Adama when she could have, you know,
headshot him.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
I guess, yeah, she's a subconscious part of her knew
that he would survive, that she just needed to get away,
and Cally made that reality for her. Kelly wouldn't have
shot Sharon. She would have been in custody and she
would have never been available to do any other of
Cavill's bidding, Like when Laura Roslind escaped. It was interesting
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how that one action changed the trajectory of that character.
But it was really good to see Sharon again, Like,
and I was sad for her when she got shot,
when she shot herself again, And I thought this show
did this. It should have maybe came with the trigger
warning or something, because it talked a lot about suicidal ideations,
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like when Chief and that other mechanic we're talking about,
like finding out if they were Cylons, and how She's like,
if I knew if I thought I was a Cylon,
this is what I would do. And I'm like, how
do you how do you know you're not a Cylon?
This must be something you always think about. Then nobody knows.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Well, it's something that Chief kept thinking about. Yeah, he
kept having those kind of dreams about throwing himself off
that ledge.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
Yeah, and I think that was like, yeah, it was
well made and well put and like it's a very
interesting perspective to like there's like the Cylons don't have
a real death unless they're not near a resurrection ship.
Like Simon, he definitely committed suicide because he knew that
he wasn't going to resurrect, and that's like I feel
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like that should have been dealt with in a way,
Like I feel like this show really needed to like
put out like you or your friends have issues or
you know, thoughts of suicide, you should call this hotline
because it's like you can't just touch on it and
not like address like that this is a real feeling
that people have in real life. Oh and the suicide hotline,
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by the way is nine eight eight, So if you
or somebody you love or not even love somebody, you know,
if you know that they're having issues, you should share
that number. It's nine eight eight. I'm so happy that
they made it a three digit number.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
I'm going to definitely criticize as a viewer because I
mean I've seen other shows that do it, and it's
really important to say, like, hey, even if you feel
like a Cylon, you deserve to live, Like sometimes that
is how you feel like you feel like you're not human,
Like there's nothing about you that is relatively worth saving
or something, and that's not like enough to make you
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do that, like stop think call the number.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Well. Speaking of criticisms, mostly really great CGI, but there's
some really bad like water effects. In the beginning when
they were showing all the destruction on Kaprica, I was like,
whoa this cut to like a video game cut scene
or something.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
Yeah, there was definitely some like really and I thought
it was really weird that they were like before and after,
before and after. So they showed you Caprica City and
then they showed it to you destroyed, and then they
showed you Python and then they showed it to you destroyed.
And I'm like, did you have to do that? You
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could have just shown the destroyed version, But I think
they wanted a flex on like their graphics or something.
But it was weird.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
One thing we got to see is that the Bay
Stars they can like rotate.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
Oh yeah, they turned like a fucking fidget spinner.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Yeah, which is something we've never actually seen them do before,
but apparently that's they designed them to do that, they
just never like worked it into the show. Yeah, but
they can become I guess more aerodynamic to go to
the atmosphere.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
Okay, sure, oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Checking my notes seat there's anything else here. There's a
shot in the very beginning when the final five are
in their resurrection chambers, and it looks a lot like
the show Dollhouse when they have those sleeping chambers are
like in the floor.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
Yeah, the stupid at sleeping chambers and shall House where
people could walk over you.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Yep. And they even did like an overhead shot like
they do in that show. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
I thought it was interesting that they showed them all
five together. But then when you saw Ellen resurrect in
that move in the episode, she was all on her own.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
Yeah, that was interesting. I guess they separated them.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
I wonder if there's like a button or an alert,
like a little light that's like resurrection in progress.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
Like data is downloading.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
Yeah, and then they're like, okay, let's roll her out,
let's get her in a room.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Well, they're the original plan. The plan was that all
five of them were going to die in the attack.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
Right, But people can't die like that. I mean, I
would have thought it would have been iconic if Tory
would have died in that car accident and she was
the first one to meet Cavil. That would have been
really cool. Yeah, but Ellen Tie was at the bar
at the Titty Bar day drinking when he was talking
to her, and he let her live because she hadn't
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learned her lesson about life or something.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Yeah. He was really obsessed with them learning something.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
Yeah. And the interesting thing is at the end, he's
the one who learned something that Cavil on Earth well
or on Caprica.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
The Cavil that was with Ellen is the one that
ends up Bungalactica because he takes r oh yeah. Yeah,
and then he is the one that goes on to
become like the main villain of the series.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Presumably he boxes that other Cavil so that he's not
trying to be sympathetic.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
Right, what a dick?
Speaker 1 (41:51):
Yep. So that was the Tale of Two.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
Cavils, also known as The Plan.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Any other thoughts before we try to give out?
Speaker 3 (42:00):
Oh, we're doing awards in this so okay, yeah, I'm done.
I'm good.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
Astoral Queen who was the stand out character in the movie.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
You're not gonna like my award.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
I don't know who mine should be yet.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
I'm gonna give my award to the bare breasted bartender. Yeah,
she was bartending with her breasts out. That must be
so hard. You have to shake those bottles, you know,
for those drinks. Some of them are on fire. No, no,
(42:37):
I'm just kidding. That would have been a good one though. Yeah. No,
I'm gonna give my award to Ponders. I think he's,
you know, like the golden retriever of the show, and
he's just like doing his thing and having a good time,
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feeling regret and mourning the losses, feeling responsibility, but still
taking on a very difficult role and teaching dumbass Cawl
along the way.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
Yeah. They did a really good job with showing what
he was up to before we met him in the show.
Unlike Toy, I kind of want to give my astral
Queen vote to Simon.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
Oh yeah, that's a really good one.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
Simon on Galactica specifically.
Speaker 3 (43:24):
No, he was not on Galactica. He was on that
other show.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
Oh yeah, Simon in the Fleet.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
Yeah, that's a really good one. I'm glad that they
gave him like a backstory. I really like that because
he was just like a cold medical background character.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
Yeah, we really never saw anything else from him in
the show.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
They gave him dimension and depth and I thought that
was really good. All right, any spoilers, I guess we're
done with spoilers if you're listening to this in order.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
Well, no, there can't be any spoilers because there's I mean,
unless we spoiled the spinoffs.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
But yeah, there's no spinoffs as of yet, right, No, they.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
Spin offs like Kaprica.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
Oh, I haven't seen that. There's no way I can
spoil something I never seen.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
But we have to look at who the Astral Queens
are for season four and for the entire series. Let
me just add in the ones we just did. All right,
bebe the season four Astral queen, and he guesses who
that might be. Starbuck is not Starbuck? Who is it?
It is the admiral with quite the lead. He got
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eight times he won the Astral Queen this season.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
He's been doing a lot, you know. Yeah, he acted
his ass off and now he's the director of the plan. Congrats.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
Yeah, And the four characters tied for second place, Roslin, Gata, Chief, Tyroll,
and Anders.
Speaker 3 (44:46):
That's a lot of people for second place. I feel
like they should have like a vote to see who
at least is the top.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
Like a runoff. Yeah, but now now that we are
at the the end of the series, we can see
who was the overall astral Queen of Battlestar Galactica.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
Who is it?
Speaker 1 (45:06):
Oh? There were seventy nine episodes slash movies webisodes, which
means with both of us voting, there's one hundred and
fifty eight votes for astral queens and thirty characters in
total received the award. Actually, I think that's thirty one
now because I just voted for s Simon. The season
one astral queen was Starbuck, season two was Duala, season
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three was Apollo. In season four we just said was
William Medama. So for the overall astral queen with seventeen awards,
is once again the Admiral.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
Of course, he's got to stay on top. That was
so interesting that Duala was such a prominent character that
just fell off without warning. There was like, it was
really shitty the way they did her.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
Yeah, I kind of wrote down some trends for our
astral queen voting. Duala had no votes in season one,
and then seas and two she was the top one
that had eight votes, and then kind of fell off
from there. Starbuck was in second place, one behind the
Admiral sixteen votes, and most of her votes she got
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in season one, and she was.
Speaker 3 (46:14):
Still a rambunctious little pilot.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
Yeah, and then she really kind of fell off and
just got a few votes each season. Baltar's the most
popular season with season two. I kind of thought that
I'd be voting for him more in season four, just
because I kind of liked that part of his arc,
but didn't pan out that way.
Speaker 3 (46:30):
Yeah, there were more people that were doing more admirable
admiral things. I was kind of sad that there wasn't
a lot of Baltar in the movie, considering he had
such a big part in the whole downfall of the
human race.
Speaker 1 (46:46):
Yeah. I could be wrong, but I'm not thinking there
was any like new footage of him.
Speaker 3 (46:51):
I don't remember seeing any new footage of him.
Speaker 1 (46:53):
Admiral Dama's most popular season was season four, and Lea
Dama's most popular season season three. President Roslin received no
votes in season three because that's what happens when you
tried to ban abortions.
Speaker 3 (47:09):
I mean, yeah, people will vote against you, They will
pray for your downfall.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
And both Gaeta and Chief Tyrrel had their most popular
season in season four. Yeah, so Adama was the overall.
Second place was Starbuck, third place was Baltar, and fourth
place was tied with Sharon and Duwala. I will say, Sharon,
I think that's counting votes for both Boomer and Athena.
So if you actually separate those characters are probably both
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lower then Apollo with eleven votes, Roslin with ten votes,
and then goes down from there.
Speaker 3 (47:42):
Cool.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
But that is the results of the Astral Queen Award.
Speaker 3 (47:47):
All right, all right, anything else, We're done.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
I believe that wraps up our coverage of Battlestar Galactica.
I hope at one point we're going to drop back
in and look at Kaprica and the move Blood and Chrome.
But until then, this is the end of this franchise
for us, and it's been a fun three years diving
into it, doing a deep space dive. So thanks to
everyone who listened and watched along or followed us in
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any way, shape or form.
Speaker 3 (48:16):
Thanks for coming. Y'all have fun, love you bye, So
say we.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
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Hey, everybody, this is Jason, just doing a little intro
before the podcast starts. We originally released this episode covering
the Plan on December eighth, twenty twenty three, which means
we were wrapping up our coverage of the reimagined Battlestar
Galactica on the twentieth anniversary of the premiere of the
mini series. Yes, the mini series premiered on December eighth,
two thousand and three, and I believe it is that
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long ago, and I hope that through this podcast, we've
shown that the themes and the discourse and the series
are still relevant, will continue to be relevant, and I
love seeing that there are people out there still engaging
with the show or even discovering it for the first time.
It really is a special show, and it is bittersweet
for us to be at the end of our coverage,
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but I'm proud of what we've done. It took BB
and I a little over three years to get to
this point, and it has been a really meaningful experience.
As you may know, we recorded and released all these
episodes originally between twenty twenty In twenty twenty three, and
this was on our main podcast feed called Spacing Out
with BB and Jason, and we've been continuing to release
content on that feed covering different TV shows and movies.
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So if you want to continue to follow us through
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time you hear this, we will at some point be
circling back to cover Kaprica and Blood and Chrome, since
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Speaker 2 (01:50):
Welcome to Spacing Out with BB and Jason this week,
covering the Battlestar Galactica TV movie The Plan.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Welcome back on Bby and I'm Jason, and this is
Spacing Out where today we will be discussing Battlestar Galactica
and if you are new to the show. Welcome, and
you reached us here at the end of our journey.
It's been a little over three years of us talking
about Battlestar Galactica.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Three years. That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Yep, so not the best place to jump in, but
here we are. We're talking about the Battlestar Galactica TV
movie The Plan, and this aired originally on Well. The
originally was released on DVD in Blu Ray October twenty seventh,
two thousand and nine, and then it aired on TV
on January tenth, twenty ten. This was written by Jane
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Esfinson and directed by Edward James. Almost. Oh, we don't
have a survivor count on this because it is all
over the place. In this movie, set in the timeline
of the first two seasons of Battlestar Galactica, events are
retold with an emphasis on the Cylon perspective. Two John
Cavill Silon's plan to annihilate humankind. One orchestrates the Sylon
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agents on board the Galactica, and the other tries to
sabotage the resistance efforts on Kaprica.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
He does a really shitty job.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
The film provides an alternate alternate perspective on many events
already known to the viewer.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Vibe check. Did we like the movie overall? How does
it stand the test of time?
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Yeah? I feel like this movie was definitely for the fans.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yeah, yeah, this is not like a standalone story. If
you're scrolling through a streaming service and you see this
and clicked on it, you'd be very confused unless you
had seen all of Galactica and remembered it pretty well
as well, because it takes you through the timeline and
it gives you little little drops to like realize where
we are. But if you've forgotten all that, you'd have
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a tough time keeping up. Yeah. So yeah, it's more
of like a a companion piece to the main series,
and anything that stands on its own does give you
a bit of like a highlight reel from the first
couple seasons, like hey remember this, remember this?
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Yeah? Did you like the movie?
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Yeah? I liked it. I always feel like if you
like watch and release order and you watch this right
after you watch the finale, I feel like it's anti climactic,
because like the finale was big and brought the story
to a close, and then it's like, hey, let's go
back and clean up these loose ends.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
There were some storylines that never even were looked touched
on in the series because it would like it was
like a b plot for a Cylon character that wasn't
part of the show. And I kind of hate that.
I wish that was part of the show. Like it
was common knowledge that Simon was married and had worked
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in the medical bay for a long time.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Yeah, he gets character development in this. Yeah, he had
very little in the show. He's like a very cold
character in the show most of the time.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Yeah. The most airtime he had was in the farm
and it was scary.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Yeah. He's always like a doctor that's ready to slice
and dice everyone.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
But so yeah, I mean I like, I like getting
more of that, I guess, more of more development on him.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Yeah, I like it for what it is. If you're
wanting to go into it wanting it to be something else,
then it's going to disappoint you, I guess.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Yeah. I feel like you need to go in knowing
what it is. And it's a kind of an inside
look on specifically Cavil side of things and his movements
throughout the war that they've been going through. So if
you go in knowing that at least, then you shouldn't
be too disappointed in what you're getting out of this.
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And I think it's a really good like as a
piece of the Galactica like universe. I think it's it's
a good, strong piece. I think I enjoyed it more
than I enjoyed the other one, Razor. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Yeah, well, similar to Razor, I don't think that the
release order is the best place to watch it. I
think I wrote it down where they say you watch
this between the episodes No Exit and Deadlock in season four,
so it's near the end of the series because.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
There's a lot of spoilers. Otherwise, yeah, there's a.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Lot of spoilers. We know all the final five Sylons,
So like, if you want to avoid spoilers and kind
of fit it into the continuity, the episode No Exit
is that episode that gives you just like an information
dump about the Cylon backstory where Cavil like explains all
this stuff to Ellen and Anders is explaining all the
stuff that he realizes.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
It's the episode where Ellen wakes up.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Yeah, so I feel like it kind of pairs really
nicely with that episode because it's like this is what
Cavill did to the cylons. He tells you about it
and then kind of shows you some of it.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Yeah, because I feel like, if you don't remember what
he's done for the siloons, you don't understand why they're
so willing to do his bidding, because that part's really
hard to understand for me, as a person really likes
to challenge authority. I'm just like, geez, why are they
listening to this guy? He's a fucking dumb ass.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Well, at the end they outvote him. Yeah, but yeah,
that's I liked it though. That's where I think it
kind of fits bests.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Better there instead of at the end. I would definitely
sneak it into the middle of season four instead of
at the end of it.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Also, I wanted to say it does a really good
job of intercutting the old footage and new footage and
kind of matching all the continuity.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
I wanted to say that, but later, Okay, well, I'll.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Let you say it later. I'll let you say it later.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Yeah, because I figured you wanted to do trivia. It
looks like there's a lot of trivia on.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
This there's a little bit of trivia. Let's get into.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
It trivia time. What facts could we uncover for the plans?
Speaker 1 (07:53):
All right? So at one point there was slated to
be three movies following the finale what but it was
reduced to wine And there's not really any information about
what the content of the other movies would be other
than that they had some of the series writers attached
to them. So the unrated version was released on DVD
and Blu ray, and it contains nudity, while the version
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aired on Sci Fi does not. Boo, we watched the
unrated one. Yeah, and it's funny to kind of learn
about this. So like when they're making a movie like this,
that they know they're going to present two versions, they
shoot these scenes twice and once with everyone covered and
then they do the nude version.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Nice. Oh, we should have watched the covered up version two,
just to see the discrepancies. I wonder what top the
bartender was laring.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
So Edward James almost and writer Janis and saying the
range for an equal number of men and women to
be nude in the scenes, but then several male actors
backed out of being nude at the last minute. Boo,
that's why we saw one penis And that's all I counted.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Yeah, there was way more tips to Dick's ratio even
I mean, naturally there's going to be because there's two pairs,
there's one pair of breasts and only one penis to
stand against the pair of breasts.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Yeah, I understand the man, but I like.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
That they were like hoping to get that. I don't
know why actors do that. I think it's kind of
this thing where men are protected against being exposed because
it's like kind of an undesirable thing to see on television.
And I think that's part of the male gaze that
like is so deeply ingrained in media and in the
minds of people who are part of the media, like
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just show us your dick, dude, Damn, these chicks are
taking off their tops and they're like chillin. They're brushing
their teeth, they're serving drinks. Like, your penis is not
that vulnerable, man, it's your balls you got to worry about.
I don't know, I'm sad. I wish there was more
penis to like female nudity, like that's equity, and I
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think that was I think that was very admirable of
the director to think about.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Yeah, and it makes sense that they have these co
ed bathrooms where they're showering and all, and it's like
it's not a sexual thing. It's just like they're all
in there.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Mess, it's a.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Bathhouse, but it's co ed. Yeah, we're at the gym
whenever we're in the locker room. They're living in the future.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
So at the very beginning there's a universal logo, but
instead of the Earth in the logo, they had the
planet Kaprica.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
I did not notice that.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
It's one of those subtle things they slip in there.
The movie intercuts new footage with existing footage of her.
Most scenes utilize different angles and a different edit to
avoid it feeling like a clip show. Katie Sakoff and
Mary McDonald were not available for this production, so their
characters do not make do not appear in any new footage.
Who's Mary McDonald President Rosin. Oh, she was not even
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in this movie at all. I don't remember seeing a
mention of her.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
I don't think there's any scenes of her speaking at least,
no nothing. Yeah. Lucy Lawless was also unavailable for this production,
and the role they were going to have for was
replaced with the Number six was working with cavil aboard
the Galactica. Also, they reference her in the movie being
because she's doing that documentary during the show, so like
they kind of Offan mentioned that cavill let her go
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do her own thing. She was document And the actress
that played Sushan, who's part of Anders Cruse, she's the
one that was taken to the farm during that episode
along with Starbuck. She was unavailable and she was recast.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Nobody noticed, sorry Sushan.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
And director Edward James almost stated that he made several
homages to the nineteen forty eight movie The Boy with
Green Hair, which starred a then twelve year old Dean Stockwell.
Dean Stockwell's the actor that plays cavil Oh.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
That's interesting, So a movie about him has lots of
references when he was obviously a very young man.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Yeah, so that's what that young boy in the movie
in this movie was kind of being.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Portrayed it in like, yeah, like scenes from that movie.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Yeah, and he said he wanted to give that kid
green hair, but no one else was on board with it.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Yeah, it would have been okay if that was like
an established reality. And in the Battlestar Galactica universe, where
people had crazy hair, Yeah, which would have been really
cool as part of like the visual dynamic of the
show in general, I would have loved to see people
with like purple green, like crazy hair, but like be normal,
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like working at a job, Like part of the presidential
cabinet has like green hair.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Like on the Simpsons they have blue hair and it's
just normal.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Yeah, or even like thinking of the fifth element and
how that Leelu has like that bright orange hair but
she blends in mostly other than she's like Mila Jocko
Rich or whatever her name is, and she's like a
gorgeous woman. But there's so many gorgeous women in that universe.
Oh my god, I love that. Okay, but yeah, I
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would have liked that like futuresh like present but future
kind of melding. And then that would have been like
totally okay to see a little boy with green hair,
because like there's a bunch of kids with colorful rainbow hair.
What else?
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Jason close up shots of the rubble on Python are
actually the remains of the Battle Stars Hangar Bay, set
shortly after it was struck and bulldozed. Wow, because the effects, huh,
they were shooting this kind of as things are getting
torn down. As we also mentioned that when we were
talking about the web series with Gata The Face of
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the Enemy, those are being shot kind of at the
same time, and they were tearing down the sets and
trying to get the shots done before that. And speaking
at the two thousand and nine San Diego Comic Con,
Edward James almost stated he believes there'll be several more
Battlestar Galactica movies in the future, and it's confident that
the DVD release of the Plan will sell well enough
to facilitate these films.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
And he was wrong.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
I thought that it was funny to put in.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
There because he was so confident. Dang, y'all needed you
all were ripping the dvdvo you probably like downloaded onlin
wire or something right.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Deep space Dive. Let's break down some of our thoughts
on the episode. You can share your thoughts with us
through email or social media. We may use your comments
on an upcoming episode.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Okay, So I do want to talk about how they
intercut old like shots into the show into the movie,
and I was so confused because Chief was skinny again
and I was like, I thought they couldn't get shots
from back in the day because he was like he
gained so much weight, and I'm like, how did they
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get this shot? And when you said that, I was like, oh, okay,
so they like recycled because they shot the show from
so many angles and they did all these scenes that
there's that shit's.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Just a yeah yeah. I mean he definitely reshot some
stuff with him. I mean there's whole storylines with him
and added to this.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Yeah, And you can tell there's been a passage of time.
But in the very beginning, he's still like skinny Chief
and I'm like, what's going on? But I would have
I wouldn't mind if they reshot hit. I think he
looks pretty similar still, regardless of I don't know how
much weight he put on, but it's not that big
as noticeable enough like.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
When you see him for the first time in like
that like season one shot, like whoa, that's like a
babyface Chief tier.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Yeah. But then when he's like in the scene with
that girl after they find out that her husband was
a Cylon, he's definitely more weathered and definitely the Chief
were used to. But I'm like, it's not that different,
and I'm glad that he had a role in this
that was outside of his like Cylon Daddy role.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Yeah, there's just like a really good job of matching
all the continuity. Like there's shots that are added in there.
They're like if you're not really studying it, like you
would not know that that was shot years later. Yeah,
and including with the same actors. They're like matching their
facial hair and makeup and lipstick and everything.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Yeah, it's really well done. In some locations, I read
like we're not available anymore. They had to like remake
locations or find a new place that looks close enough.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Wow. I think they did really good job, like with
the continuity of the show. That was something that I
literally had no idea how they did it because some
of the shots felt so fresh and like I didn't
recognize them, but I knew that they were from the
beginning of the show, and I'm like, how did they
do that? I seriously thought I was looking at some
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CGI chief. I was like, wow, No, And I really
like that they were giving us these perspectives on Caprica
before the bombing, before the war initiated. From all of
these other perspectives, I think one of the characters that
is always getting the short end of the like storytelling
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stick though is toy?
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Yeah? I wrote that note down. I'm like because it
was it was nice to see her at the beginning,
like like, oh, we're going to follow all five of
these cylons.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Yeah, I'm going to figure out what her background is,
what her deal is. She's just in a car and
has a car accident, like.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
What Yeah, And I thought we would maybe get filled
in on what she was doing during the first couple
of seasons because she doesn't enter the storyline until like
the end of season two. I think Billy dies. So
I'm like, what was she doing on the fleet? Yeah,
like during that time, where would she How did she
get on? Like I would have loved to see her
get rescued and put in a colony and you know,
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having them find a role for her like something, But
I don't. It was just sad that she didn't get
any She barely got any lines. I think her one
line was like talking about how easy it was to
go from one place to another on the car phone
or whatever, Like what somebody had to explain the transportation
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dynamics on Caprica? How else would we know?
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Yeah, it's like it takes an hour, the bus runs
every hour, the shuttle runs every hour or whatever. I
was like, wow, that's her only line in this whole movie,
and she's one of the final five.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Yeah, I was upset. Meanwhile, Andrews was all over this thing.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Oh yeah, Andres like was a shining star. Like they
were like, don't you ever forget that this guy used
to be a professional pyramid player turned rebel leader. Ever
forget that before he was a baldy in a sack
of goo. He was a leader through and.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Through, even when they had a coach.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Yeah, the coach didn't know what to do. He's like,
I don't know, what do you think? Andres, I'm like, dude,
that's not coach energy. Okay, you're not giving coach energy
right now. Uh. But yeah, Andre's definitely had a lot
of teaching to do, apparently because they pick up Cavil.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
I love that scene though, where they figure out the
Silons are people. Yeah, and I love that they used
car salesman guy. Yeah, what is he? Number four?
Speaker 1 (19:21):
No, Simon's number four. Doral would be.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Well either way, he's obviously like number zero because he's
left in charge of cleaning up dead bodies and He
even says, we shouldn't be doing this, it should be
the centurions.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Yeah, and it makes more sense. I never explain why.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Well, the centurions can do it better, probably because like
they're bigger, they're probably like able to move bodies more
in a more effective way. And these silons that are
in a human body have human responses. And you can't
tell me that a pile of dead, rotting corpses is
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going to be pleasant to be around for another person
who has the ability to smell and see and and
and and just be around that. I feel like that
was just a poor like project management like decision, Like
I would have put the centurions on that too.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Well, even not just like the the emotional response, but
like physically, like they're wearing face masks.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying, Like they're they're they're people,
they're they That's not the right thing for them to
be dealing with. I don't think that's like healthy. Yeah,
I think the centurions should have been able, should have
been the ones to do that, but conveniently they weren't.
And they were they look like COVID responsors, like they
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were responding to a COVID outbreak because they were wearing
a face mask and that little like pajama onesie that
the healthcare workers were wearing for a while, and when
they all starting off their face masks and you can
I don't like, that's a really bad idea. And I
wish there would have been like a literal gag response
where they like took off the masks. Oh my god,
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why are the centurions doing this? That would have been
really good. I feel like the director could have just
thought about it a little more, like why are they
so upset? Give me motivation? But then Cavel's with them
and he like throws himself down on the pile, and
when they all get murdered except for him, he's like,
(21:30):
help me. What a clever bitch?
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Right?
Speaker 3 (21:35):
I was like, damn, he's a fucking niacal asshole. And
they take him up and they pick him up and
they're like, oh, that's nothing suspicious about this. You don't
even have any broken bones or blood on you. You're
completely clean.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
He's like, I was just playing possum so that they
wouldn't hurt me.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Yeah, no, I don't believe it. I'm sorry I saw them.
There was the foot that they showed of the centurions
just shooting people in cars, like double tapping, making sure
everybody was dead. That was like, okay, so why aren't
you dead, dude? Like, I'm sure they didn't miss and
I would have been helldless suspicious, but nobody was like,
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They're like, we got a survivor, hurry up, help him.
And Carol like starts talking to onders about punishment and
whether or not the human race deserved this, and Andres
is like, I don't think so man like people as people.
I feel like Andres has like a very genuine do
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gooder mindset, and Cavel is like so jaded and kind
of a dick that he doesn't understand Anders' perspective at all,
and a part of him hates him for it, and
another part of him is so curious about it because
it's so far removed from anything he's ever heard. It's
almost like Cavil is experiencing like different worldviews for the
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first time ever, and however long he's been alive, it
sounds like everybody's agreed with him. Everybody's like listen to him,
everybody's like followed his orders, and now he's in a
place where he's vulnerable and he can't out himself. He
can't kill anyone like outright without like becoming a suspicious
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person and outing himself. So all he can do is listen,
and he's having a hard time comprehending, and he's like
talking about it, like why are you still in Like
I don't understand love, I don't understand mourning. I don't
understand grief, and Anders is like so bothered by him.
He's like, we're in the middle of a war. We're
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walking through the woods trying not to get fucking murdered.
What the fuck is wrong with you? Of course you're
gonna love the people who die, and that seems like
such a human thing, like, of course we're gonna mourn
those who have been lost and we're going to continue
to love them. But that is such an alien thing
that is so human to Cavil that he doesn't understand it.
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And I think that's why he's like processing that sentence
trying to destroy Starbucks, the thing that Anders loves, and
has the opportunity to shoot her right in the face,
and he doesn't take And I'm like, that's that's like
growth and development and something that I like to see.
I wish it was done a little more carefully, like
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instead of them walking through the woods and being like,
oh I would to here kid, kind of like you
know what I mean. Like there wasn't like a deep discussion.
It was just like them kind of going back and
forth in the middle of the woods, in the middle
of like doing something else. It could have been the
conversation they had when he was doing confession or something,
but I don't know. It was interesting, and I think
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this is why, like it's I think it's interesting that
they picked Cavell to be the main character of this
show or this movie.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Yeah, because we have two Cavills who kind of started
the same place in the different points, and.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
The other one obviously he has the same aspirations of
like foiling the humans. They both had this initial plan
to wipe out the human race and one thing they
didn't count on. And I think Cavil called them this.
He called him a cockroach, like the cockroaches, and I
was like, oh, that's kind of really telling of how
he feels about humans. And he's so like, they try
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to annihilate the human race and they are still surviving,
They are still living in this colony in this on
this Earth, and so Carol in the colony knows that
he's vulnerable, but he's still a public figure, it seems like,
because he has like a chapel and like he puts
up flyers and stuff, and they call him in to
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talk to chief, to be a priest.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Yeah, because he he puts up those flyers knowing that
all the Cylons would see.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Them, right, it's a Cylon dog whistle. And he's trying
to figure out like a way to continue the mission,
the mission being to destroy all humans in mankind, and
eventually it becomes destroying a dama because he's the representative
for Galactica. Galactica is the leader of the colony, and
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he thinks, maybe rightfully so, that by destroying this ship
or this captain or whatever admiral, that it will destroy
the fleet. And I don't know, I don't know if
that's true, because I feel like humans they are like cockroaches.
You can't kill them right away. Like they're they're sturdy,
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they're hearty, they're they're gonna find a way.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
But well, we kind of we come to see that,
you know, the plan as they called it throughout the
entire series was really just more of improvising these little
attack primmages, Yeah, trying to like they're these ones on
the fleet are outnumbered, so they have to do like
little either subtle things.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Orrilla style where you're like wearing a suicide vest and
you're trying to kill everybody within like a I don't
know what was it like ten meters radius?
Speaker 1 (27:11):
I like that. Later they said he did minor damage
to a minor hallway.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Yeah, and it was weird to me that it went
the fire bomb went everywhere except that side hallway that
Adama went into, Like it only went in one direction
down the hallway.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
We all know fire doesn't turn corners.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Yeah, but I thought it was really interesting that like
he kept insisting that he's in charge and that he's
the leader, and that he is going to give orders,
and he gives orders two very reluctant cylons. The only
ones who don't seem to be very reluctant are the
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Brunette six, who's like sleeping with him. Yeah, he basically
drives these cylons to death, like they don't want to
fuck with him anymore. They want to do what he
says because he knows they know that it's like what's
needed or what's supposed to be part of the plan.
But like Simon, I think his storyline was so interesting
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that he's like he saw the flyer and he's like,
that's shitting for me. Dude, I got a wife, I
got a step daughter. I'm part of like the life
saving crew on the Galactica. Or maybe he's on another ship.
That's not clear. Apparently he lives on a ship.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Yeah, they're living on another ship. But I guess his
wife works on Galactica.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
So is there like a shuttle she takes every day?
Speaker 1 (28:32):
It must be.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
They don't explain that.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
I wish they would have everyone that worked in that
hangar deck would need to live on Galactica.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
That's what I thought. That's what I seriously thought. That's
why I was so confused. And then when he was
mad at her that she was late, I'm like, dude,
she's coming in from another ship.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
By the way, Aaron Doryle is number five five five
is a lot Leo Win's number two, and Simon is four.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Who's number one?
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Cavil Oh, yeah, yeah, he didn't get up for Yeah.
This whole thing of like annihilating humanity is just his
like petty jealousy.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Yeah. Yeah, mommy and daddy didn't love me.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Ye, his two mommies and three daddies.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Yeah, but like he said that all of the humans
are dad's and moms. Yes, so the humans didn't like
you either. That was interesting too, to say that Adama
was her father, as all human men are her father,
and it was interesting. I liked it. I thought it
was cool. And again, I think I felt really bad
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for Simon because he was like put against his life
and his stability, and he even broke that by turning
to alcohol to try to cope with it, and it
didn't seem to work. So then he decided he was
going to do something about it. And at first I
thought he was going to listen to Cavil. I thought
(29:58):
he was preparing to like terminate this ship. And I'm like,
I don't remember them ever having like a ship explode.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Right, But I'm also like, I don't remember them ever
mentioning this ship before.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Yeah. So he's in the dark with like a flashlight
on his mouth or neck or something. I don't remember
where the flashlight was coming from. But he's in the
dark and he's working these wires and trying to do
this thing and then you find like it backs away
and it just it's it's an what's it called the AirPod?
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Air lock?
Speaker 3 (30:31):
The airlock? What's an AirPod? Oh, it's the earphones.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Okay, he puts his ads in.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
And it's the final countdown. No, but he's like jettisoned
out basically. And I think it's really interesting the way
that they did his makeup as he was like floating
away with the like white out eyes and the sad
look on his face and like, I don't know he
said he They said he left a note which is
(31:01):
like really sad too. Like there was an investigation and
they're like, how did a doctor know how to operate
an airlock? And I'm like, well he didn't. It looks
like he tried to figure it out, right, He figured
it out somehow.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
It took him a while.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
And the thing is it was interesting that they did
that for him, but then they never looked up or
researched the airlock that kept the six was airlocked out
of that CAVLL just flipped a switch on, right, and
that was just like in a random hallway, so like,
and I was like, why is there such a discrepancy
(31:39):
about like airlock technology and where these airlocks are. Maybe
that ship is different than the Galactica. But I feel
like on the Galactica, when Calli was taken out of
the airlock, they like were able to look at the
records and see that the airlock was like jettison from
the inside or whatever.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Yeah, well, able to look at like who who locked
in access or card whatever was used?
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Yeah, So but I'm guessing, like I don't think you
can like typically airlock yourself from inside, So I think
that's maybe why he was doing so much rewiring.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Yeah, but then why did they write off Calli's is like, oh,
she was drunk and dumb. It was like, I don't know,
there's a lot of plot holes here that need to
be investigated. With this airlock situation, I feel like they
should have thought about it a little bit more, especially
if they're going to show Cavil airlockin a six. Just
willy nilly, That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
But yeah, they do explain a few moments from the
first season that were kind of never explained in the episodes,
like what happened to that number six and she fell in.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Love with Baltar obviously, as all number sixes tend to do,
except for the number six that was sleeping with Cavil.
That was so gross. Anytime anybody engages with Cavel is
nasty loough.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Yeah, why is there so much like sex with Cavil?
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Like everybody was like Ellen Ty was flirting with him
as she was eating olives, showing off her booty, and
then Sharon kissed him ill Yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
That kind of like shows us where the start of
like the boomer Cavil relationship was.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Yeah, and that was also very gross and manipulative, and
like she was obviously trying to tell him like I
can't do this, and he's like, fuck you, you're doing it.
And as he was leading her on romantically, he was
also fucking the other number six. That's three different sexy
ladies that were all over Cavil, and that made me grow.
(33:40):
I feel like Edward James almost was like I got you, buddy,
But yeah, I think the Cavil on Galactica had tried
more and so instead of listening, instead of having like
a human interaction, he was isolated. He was on his own.
He was like creating plans that continuously failed, and so
(34:05):
where one Cavil turned to understanding the other Cavil turned
to resentment, and it was weird when he just stabbed
that little boy. I thought maybe there was going to
be like a moment of clarity where he's like, oh,
humans aren't bad, but he's like, humans are trash, and
he's like, and they're very pliable. Boot boom, and he
(34:26):
stabs that little boy with a knife that looks like
a prop from high school play.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
The n'n it pretty much.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
It looked like a prop from a high school play
and the little boy iconic death scene. He just went
PLoP prop.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
It was so good.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
I would think this was my favorite death besides the
Share and death with a Cali, which they replayed, and
I thought that was like really touching and moving that
they showed share and die again and showing her humanity
coming back to her because she said she lost it
when she shot a dye.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Yeah, so we learn quite a bit more about what
was going on with her as a sleeper agent because
in the series we never saw what happened when she.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
Was in Sylon mode.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Yeah, and she wasn't under her deep cover because we
never really knew, like was did she have another like
personality like she does in that we saw in this
movie or was she just like in a like a
drone state like a Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
I seriously when I first watched the movie or the show,
I mean I thought it wasn't her. I thought someone
was fucking her.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Like setting her up. Yeah, like she wakes up ye
wa yeah, which, hey, Wet Sharon was back.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Wet Sharon is back. But yeah, I thought that somebody
was fucking with her. I was like, there is no
way that this cute Asian woman is like a Cylon, Like,
there's no way. But it turned out she was a
Cylon and she was a sleeper agent and apparently anytime
she had a conversation with Cavil she didn't remember it after.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Yeah, so they set up there's like that little trinket.
I think it was an elephant.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
It was a wooden elephant.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Yeah, yeah, which I believe. In the series, when she's
living on Caprica, we see her she has elephants is
there as well? But yeah, so that's like what triggers
her to wake up. And we also we understand why
she didn't actually kill Adama when she could have, you know,
headshot him.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
I guess, yeah, she's a subconscious part of her knew
that he would survive, that she just needed to get away,
and Cally made that reality for her. Kelly wouldn't have
shot Sharon. She would have been in custody and she
would have never been available to do any other of
Cavill's bidding, Like when Laura Roslind escaped. It was interesting
(36:42):
how that one action changed the trajectory of that character.
But it was really good to see Sharon again, Like,
and I was sad for her when she got shot,
when she shot herself again, And I thought this show
did this. It should have maybe came with the trigger
warning or something, because it talked a lot about suicidal ideations,
(37:03):
like when Chief and that other mechanic we're talking about,
like finding out if they were Cylons, and how She's like,
if I knew if I thought I was a Cylon,
this is what I would do. And I'm like, how
do you how do you know you're not a Cylon?
This must be something you always think about. Then nobody knows.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Well, it's something that Chief kept thinking about. Yeah, he
kept having those kind of dreams about throwing himself off
that ledge.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
Yeah, and I think that was like, yeah, it was
well made and well put and like it's a very
interesting perspective to like there's like the Cylons don't have
a real death unless they're not near a resurrection ship.
Like Simon, he definitely committed suicide because he knew that
he wasn't going to resurrect, and that's like I feel
(37:52):
like that should have been dealt with in a way,
Like I feel like this show really needed to like
put out like you or your friends have issues or
you know, thoughts of suicide, you should call this hotline
because it's like you can't just touch on it and
not like address like that this is a real feeling
that people have in real life. Oh and the suicide hotline,
(38:13):
by the way is nine eight eight, So if you
or somebody you love or not even love somebody, you know,
if you know that they're having issues, you should share
that number. It's nine eight eight. I'm so happy that
they made it a three digit number.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
I'm going to definitely criticize as a viewer because I
mean I've seen other shows that do it, and it's
really important to say, like, hey, even if you feel
like a Cylon, you deserve to live, Like sometimes that
is how you feel like you feel like you're not human,
Like there's nothing about you that is relatively worth saving
or something, and that's not like enough to make you
(38:51):
do that, like stop think call the number.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Well. Speaking of criticisms, mostly really great CGI, but there's
some really bad like water effects. In the beginning when
they were showing all the destruction on Kaprica, I was like,
whoa this cut to like a video game cut scene
or something.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
Yeah, there was definitely some like really and I thought
it was really weird that they were like before and after,
before and after. So they showed you Caprica City and
then they showed it to you destroyed, and then they
showed you Python and then they showed it to you destroyed.
And I'm like, did you have to do that? You
(39:31):
could have just shown the destroyed version, But I think
they wanted a flex on like their graphics or something.
But it was weird.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
One thing we got to see is that the Bay
Stars they can like rotate.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
Oh yeah, they turned like a fucking fidget spinner.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Yeah, which is something we've never actually seen them do before,
but apparently that's they designed them to do that, they
just never like worked it into the show. Yeah, but
they can become I guess more aerodynamic to go to
the atmosphere.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
Okay, sure, oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Checking my notes seat there's anything else here. There's a
shot in the very beginning when the final five are
in their resurrection chambers, and it looks a lot like
the show Dollhouse when they have those sleeping chambers are
like in the floor.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
Yeah, the stupid at sleeping chambers and shall House where
people could walk over you.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Yep. And they even did like an overhead shot like
they do in that show. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
I thought it was interesting that they showed them all
five together. But then when you saw Ellen resurrect in
that move in the episode, she was all on her own.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
Yeah, that was interesting. I guess they separated them.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
I wonder if there's like a button or an alert,
like a little light that's like resurrection in progress.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
Like data is downloading.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
Yeah, and then they're like, okay, let's roll her out,
let's get her in a room.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Well, they're the original plan. The plan was that all
five of them were going to die in the attack.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
Right, But people can't die like that. I mean, I
would have thought it would have been iconic if Tory
would have died in that car accident and she was
the first one to meet Cavil. That would have been
really cool. Yeah, but Ellen Tie was at the bar
at the Titty Bar day drinking when he was talking
to her, and he let her live because she hadn't
(41:19):
learned her lesson about life or something.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Yeah. He was really obsessed with them learning something.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
Yeah. And the interesting thing is at the end, he's
the one who learned something that Cavil on Earth well
or on Caprica.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
The Cavil that was with Ellen is the one that
ends up Bungalactica because he takes r oh yeah. Yeah,
and then he is the one that goes on to
become like the main villain of the series.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Presumably he boxes that other Cavil so that he's not
trying to be sympathetic.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
Right, what a dick?
Speaker 1 (41:51):
Yep. So that was the Tale of Two.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
Cavils, also known as The Plan.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Any other thoughts before we try to give out?
Speaker 3 (42:00):
Oh, we're doing awards in this so okay, yeah, I'm done.
I'm good.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
Astoral Queen who was the stand out character in the movie.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
You're not gonna like my award.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
I don't know who mine should be yet.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
I'm gonna give my award to the bare breasted bartender. Yeah,
she was bartending with her breasts out. That must be
so hard. You have to shake those bottles, you know,
for those drinks. Some of them are on fire. No, no,
(42:37):
I'm just kidding. That would have been a good one though. Yeah. No,
I'm gonna give my award to Ponders. I think he's,
you know, like the golden retriever of the show, and
he's just like doing his thing and having a good time,
(42:58):
feeling regret and mourning the losses, feeling responsibility, but still
taking on a very difficult role and teaching dumbass Cawl
along the way.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
Yeah. They did a really good job with showing what
he was up to before we met him in the show.
Unlike Toy, I kind of want to give my astral
Queen vote to Simon.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
Oh yeah, that's a really good one.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
Simon on Galactica specifically.
Speaker 3 (43:24):
No, he was not on Galactica. He was on that
other show.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
Oh yeah, Simon in the Fleet.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
Yeah, that's a really good one. I'm glad that they
gave him like a backstory. I really like that because
he was just like a cold medical background character.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
Yeah, we really never saw anything else from him in
the show.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
They gave him dimension and depth and I thought that
was really good. All right, any spoilers, I guess we're
done with spoilers if you're listening to this in order.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
Well, no, there can't be any spoilers because there's I mean,
unless we spoiled the spinoffs.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
But yeah, there's no spinoffs as of yet, right, No, they.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
Spin offs like Kaprica.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
Oh, I haven't seen that. There's no way I can
spoil something I never seen.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
But we have to look at who the Astral Queens
are for season four and for the entire series. Let
me just add in the ones we just did. All right,
bebe the season four Astral queen, and he guesses who
that might be. Starbuck is not Starbuck? Who is it?
It is the admiral with quite the lead. He got
(44:27):
eight times he won the Astral Queen this season.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
He's been doing a lot, you know. Yeah, he acted
his ass off and now he's the director of the plan. Congrats.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
Yeah, And the four characters tied for second place, Roslin, Gata, Chief, Tyroll,
and Anders.
Speaker 3 (44:46):
That's a lot of people for second place. I feel
like they should have like a vote to see who
at least is the top.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
Like a runoff. Yeah, but now now that we are
at the the end of the series, we can see
who was the overall astral Queen of Battlestar Galactica.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
Who is it?
Speaker 1 (45:06):
Oh? There were seventy nine episodes slash movies webisodes, which
means with both of us voting, there's one hundred and
fifty eight votes for astral queens and thirty characters in
total received the award. Actually, I think that's thirty one
now because I just voted for s Simon. The season
one astral queen was Starbuck, season two was Duala, season
(45:27):
three was Apollo. In season four we just said was
William Medama. So for the overall astral queen with seventeen awards,
is once again the Admiral.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
Of course, he's got to stay on top. That was
so interesting that Duala was such a prominent character that
just fell off without warning. There was like, it was
really shitty the way they did her.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
Yeah, I kind of wrote down some trends for our
astral queen voting. Duala had no votes in season one,
and then seas and two she was the top one
that had eight votes, and then kind of fell off
from there. Starbuck was in second place, one behind the
Admiral sixteen votes, and most of her votes she got
(46:12):
in season one, and she was.
Speaker 3 (46:14):
Still a rambunctious little pilot.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
Yeah, and then she really kind of fell off and
just got a few votes each season. Baltar's the most
popular season with season two. I kind of thought that
I'd be voting for him more in season four, just
because I kind of liked that part of his arc,
but didn't pan out that way.
Speaker 3 (46:30):
Yeah, there were more people that were doing more admirable
admiral things. I was kind of sad that there wasn't
a lot of Baltar in the movie, considering he had
such a big part in the whole downfall of the
human race.
Speaker 1 (46:46):
Yeah. I could be wrong, but I'm not thinking there
was any like new footage of him.
Speaker 3 (46:51):
I don't remember seeing any new footage of him.
Speaker 1 (46:53):
Admiral Dama's most popular season was season four, and Lea
Dama's most popular season season three. President Roslin received no
votes in season three because that's what happens when you
tried to ban abortions.
Speaker 3 (47:09):
I mean, yeah, people will vote against you, They will
pray for your downfall.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
And both Gaeta and Chief Tyrrel had their most popular
season in season four. Yeah, so Adama was the overall.
Second place was Starbuck, third place was Baltar, and fourth
place was tied with Sharon and Duwala. I will say, Sharon,
I think that's counting votes for both Boomer and Athena.
So if you actually separate those characters are probably both
(47:37):
lower then Apollo with eleven votes, Roslin with ten votes,
and then goes down from there.
Speaker 3 (47:42):
Cool.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
But that is the results of the Astral Queen Award.
Speaker 3 (47:47):
All right, all right, anything else, We're done.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
I believe that wraps up our coverage of Battlestar Galactica.
I hope at one point we're going to drop back
in and look at Kaprica and the move Blood and Chrome.
But until then, this is the end of this franchise
for us, and it's been a fun three years diving
into it, doing a deep space dive. So thanks to
everyone who listened and watched along or followed us in
(48:14):
any way, shape or form.
Speaker 3 (48:16):
Thanks for coming. Y'all have fun, love you bye, So
say we.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
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