Keeping Up With Our Joneses (S01E10)

Hank and Peggy are furious when they Bobby starts smoking, however they both then secretly begin smoking again themselves.

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Episode Transcript

(00:00):
For God's sakes, Bobby, whatnationality are you? American? Then?
Why are you holding your cigarette likesome kind of European Nazi in the movie.
Why does it matter? Oh,that's not the right sort of attitude
for you to have. Whatever youdo, you should do right, even
if it's something wrong. Okay,what you're listening to? Son, I

(00:23):
think you like it. Welcome toSpeaking of the Hill in Australian King of
the Hill podcast, where this weekwe are going back to revisit and review
episode ten of the series. Itis keeping up with our Jones's I'm Dendo
and I Am Guy feeling totally alivewith pleasure at the moment I got to
say, I thought you would haveenjoyed this one a lot because being someone

(00:45):
who used to be a smoker,you now smoke occasionally cigarettes. So so
I'm watching this one going I feellike Guy would really relate to this one.
What amazed me the most was thatthis episode aired in like what ninety
seven is oney eight? This isjust as relatable then as it is now.
I feel like it's even more relatablenow than it was back then.
I was surprised with how sort ofanti smoking the majority of Arland was in

(01:10):
the late ninety because it feels likegrowing up that everyone was smoking. But
now you see someone's smoke, it'sit's almost like it's seeing that that know,
a hidden jam or something like youreally see people smoking out in public
anymore. It's it's like seeing aflasher. Yeah, it's weird. It's
like, oh, dare you peoplestill smoke? Oh? Okay, I'll

(01:30):
tell you what. Yeah, Imean I was out with the love Lue's
not long ago out and the mustlingbustling Geelong CBD. The where we're on
Little Mallop straight on the good sideof Little Maltain stream on the of the
side. That's the basically. Youmay have told this story on another one
of our podcasts. I remember you'vebeen out and you're seeing people smoke or
something. Yeah, it's like Isaw three people in a row smoking cigarettes,
Like, what the hell? Whatis this? What's going on here?

(01:55):
Back in baby? Yeah? Yeah, it's one of those things that
my mum. I've seen photos ofmy mum's smoking before she had me,
very much like Peggy and Hanky.As soon as my mum had me,
she just quit smoking. She's neversmoked since my dad used to smoke occasionally,
but he's never smoked since I wasborn. They both just and maybe
wonder I wonder whether they missed it, you know. And my mum now
she's just hate hate smoking, hatesthe smell of it, hates being happy

(02:20):
with the smoke. It just makesit just makes a skin crawl. But
I wonder if that was the pointwhen I was younger with a like,
remember when we're all out of smoke, before we had this fucking kid.
You know. It's it's strange howsmoking it becomes sort of like bound to
your identity or your memories or thingslike that. I mean, my line
on smoking now is it's a filthy, disgusting habit. And if I could

(02:44):
start it again without any hazard tomy health or my hip pocket, I
would. I mean, yeah,well, the price is the big thing.
You know. I've seen people say, don't care, you know,
you only live once. I'd ratherbe happy, And I'm like, my
opinion is, and that's your decision. But my opinion has always been,
imagine all the other things you couldspend that money on the besides just sitting

(03:05):
around your ass smoking. You know, it costs so much now, Yeah,
and it's just as someone obviously,as I said, as someone who
has never smoked, I look atit. I'm just like, what a
waste of money. Like I getthat you might feel good for like that
five ten minutes, but it's likeyou could go on holidays, you could
treat yourself to a new car,to new televisions, to whatever you want,

(03:27):
memories, you know, go treatyourself to experiences. No, you'd
rather spend that money sitting on yourass smoking cigarettes. That's what you'd prefer.
Go for it. But to me, I just get out of the
day all that night. Yeah,absolutely, I can understand back in the
day. I mean, look whenI first started smoking as a late teenager,
early twenties young man, it wasn'tas bad for you back then.

(03:49):
It wasn't bad for you back then. Yeah, Hank is absolutely right with
what he says and say, ohno, it wasn't bad for That's a
great that's a great line. Ilove that. But they were like eight
bucks a pack. You know,you'd go out and I mean, this
is me, but I mean I'msure I'm speaking for a few people back
in the back in the nineties whodid this. You'd go out, you'd
probably smoke a pack in a night. If you're out at a nightclub and

(04:11):
you're on the on the twenty,really would you think, oh yeah,
yeah, because not only you couldquite chain smoking, but you'd probably they
have one, then five of demas you have another one okay, just
for they were too great taste,that tasted great together beer and cigarettes.
And then of course you'd wake upthe next day with absolute buyers remorse because
you smell of beer and cigarettes.Like Smithers after and who shot Mister Burn's

(04:34):
Part two wakes up and burps andjust cigarettes come out earlier. That's kind
of what I mean. I can'tI can't imagine encountering myself at that stage.
And so like going into the roomwhere I was sleeping, it's like,
oh my god, you just reekof alcohol and tobacco. It's so
disgusting because it's the thing. It'swhen when you don't live with a smoker.

(04:55):
Used to be when I when Iworked in office, there was a
couple of people that smoked, andthey go in their lunch break and come
back to the office and it's like, oh man, you but they don't
realize it because they're okay, constantlysurrounded with it. You know, It's
it's like someone who can't smell theirown bo It's like, oh man,
you stink, no, don't justme. Yeah. So, but for

(05:16):
a pack, well, for apack of twenty five to cost you something
like fifty dollars, now that isjust it's madness. And how anyone's massify
spending hundreds and hundreds of dollars aweek on it, It just boggles my
mind. But ay, whatever,as you said, I've got I've got
half a pack here from the lasttime. I mean, lou and I
will occasionally go and visit some friendsof hers. I feel like you and

(05:40):
Louise have ye Peggy and Peggy andHank moments you know where out in the
field, very much, very muchso in this in this case, I
mean, Luke calls them are trashback friends. They're absolutely delightful. But
you know, we'll get together fora weekend and just be wine women in
song mainly because it's mainly women andI'm usually the only guy there or another
by I know, good talent.It's like, should we get some cigarettes

(06:04):
as well? Yeah, I meanit's almost like we're being very illicit and
going on a drug run. Don'ttell mum was Margaret Mary a smoker?
Um only briefly? Dad never,Okay, yeah yeah, Mum only briefly.
And all my sisters smoked, theyall did and they don't now.

(06:25):
Yeah no, Joe my illness,my eldest sister still does. I mean,
Joe is just kind of a legendregard. I mean when listeners of
the show will know that she tooka tumble in the tennis court. Not
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(07:09):
about his invalid siblings. Pushing hismum down is to fight up stairs,
and that was between us and shegot back up. She somehow got back
up. She did Margaret mayor atthe age of coming on ninety three.
It's just like, yeah, Itook a fall, but I got back
up. You know that old sayingabout ladies. I've fallen, I can't
get up. Margaret did get back. I got knocked down, but she

(07:29):
got up again. But anyway,No, my sister Joe took a bit
of a tumble, cracked her fema. That's your thigh bone for the non
medical students among us. And youngerbrother Guy was commissioned to go down to
her house and bow, and he'slike, keep an eyeist to make sure
she didn't fall over in the shower. I'll go down there, and you
know, she's recuperating like crazy,but she's also right end of the day.

(07:49):
Now, Joe lived in England fora while and she's also smoked a
couple of mile brows a day forthe last four decades, so she'll always
sound a bit like this, endof the day going out for a whiskey
and a cigarette. Come along andI'm like, well, I have the
whiskey. I won't have the cigarettemorebecause I don't smoke anymore. But I
was awfully tempted because she was smokingMarlboro's, which used to be my brand.

(08:11):
I'm like, but I won't doit. I will have the whiskey,
but I won't have the cigarette.I thought I did a great job
in this episode of when Hank waswatching Bobby smoke, just that you just
no dialogue, spoke spoken, justthe animation of him just going, oh
man, I want that's so bad. It was awfully tempting because yeah,
I mean I didn't like the smellof it. No, but it's like

(08:33):
she looks really happy doing that orjust you know, I mean she's down
to like a few a day.She's got good will pair in that regard.
I mean, she's not like smokinga pack a day or anything like
they're just like, oh no,you know, maybe one at the start
of the day and maybe two atthe end of the day and that's it.
Yeah, that would be nice.So I thought this episode did a
good job in a sense that ifyou watched the first half of this,
I feel like you'd almost turn youinto a smoker again if you want to

(08:54):
smoke, or watching this, like, I feel like it's almost pro smoking.
But then the last half they doa good job of going, oh
no, if you want to smoke, go for it. This is this
what's going to happen. It's justlike you know, old Smokey when it
got to his bones and you gottago to These people who had smoked just
seemed to have an unhappy lifestyle andlike you want to be like Dale?

(09:15):
Do you like? That's like theyused Dale as a comparison of them.
That's what a smoker is. Andboom How is the opposite. Boom How
is getting the chicks? You know, he's living the high life boom Ow.
Yeah. The closest thing this showhas to I know, a role
watch or a Fongsi. Yeah.And if he's the one saying no,
man, you don't want them on. He's given all your all, your

(09:35):
reason. Don't want to end uplike Wright but downy Junior. Yeah,
which we'll get to, which wewill get to, which was interesting.
But I also liked how M becauseyou've mentioned numerous times and I spoken about
recently one of the podcasts we didthat I've got NaN's old perfume by here,
and sometimes I'm a smell the perfumeis to get that smell. It's
amazing how when they smell the smoke, the smell reminded them of all the

(09:58):
memories of when they were like atthe the fair and out in the field.
And look, it's amazing how smellcan just reignite all these all this
passion, all these great memories inyour mind, just just from a smell.
That's true, except I think cigarettesmoke might do the opposite. So
smell, because if you smell smoke, now, does it take you back
or is it just seeing someone smoketakes you back? No smelling cigarette smoke.

(10:22):
I mean, if I'm say,walking on the street and you know,
I find myself behind someone who's smokinga dart, I'll be like,
man, that just stinks, thatdoesn't That's that's what I mean. So
when when you think of when youhave good memories of when you're back in
the days when you were smoking,if you see someone smoke, do you
go, oh, that'd be nice, But then you smell it and go,
oh no, wait, no,wouldn't. It's honestly more my memories.

(10:43):
Okay, So when because when yousaid when you saw your sister smoking,
you're like, oh, that wouldbe nice. Yeah, Just I
don't know. It's hard to describejust the combo of like having a drink
in one hand, cigarette in theother, and just a sense of kind
of ease that comes. I mean, one thing I used to enjoy very
much was, you know, wakeup and your breakfast would be essentially a

(11:05):
cup of coffee in a cigarette.It's a dreadful breakfast. Not the breakfast
the Champions, although that's what weused to call it. I don't know.
It's really just sort of memories likethat, or you know, being
on a road trip and you've gotyour you know, you've got your lighter
in your pack of cigarettes next toyou on the on the on the passenger
seat, your one true friend asyou as you make your way through this

(11:26):
world. It's a tough one.I mean, look, I don't I
miss it, but I don't missit if you know what I mean.
Yeah, yeah, well I actuallyyou mentioned earlier your trash bag friends with
Louise. It's actually interesting in thisepisode the trailer, trash Lane is the
one that talks some sense into them, like she's the one that you would
think would be the smoker in thefamily, but she's the one going you
will not smoke. And I thoughtit was great how they she had the

(11:48):
line of I am not going tohave another dysfunctional family. So she's like,
I got out of one dysfunctional family, but one how I will not
let you guys turn into that.So she's the one that gets them back
on the right path. I thoughtit was a great way to sort of
balance things where you're just like youwould assume Laune was the one that would
be the smoker, but she's theone that's speaking the common sense. And
you know, she's got a verygood and not necessarily you know, preachy

(12:13):
or moralistic reason feel like anyone whosmokes as her the lesson don't smoke,
it's bad for it and all thatkind of stuff. It's like, yeah,
I don't give a shit at thatstage, you know, you're kind
of like, can't tell me,you can't tell me to do yeah,
yeah, yeah. And so she'snot coming at it from like, you
know, if he's quits making he'llget, you know, another nine years
on your life, at which pointyou say, yeah, the ones at
the end, who gives a fuck? But yeah, for her to sort

(12:37):
of to have that, to haveskin in the game, to be like
she wants to build a new anew family, a functional family, and
you know, she wants that partof that life sort of jettison. Yeah,
it made a lot of sense tome. And of course, you
know, it's Brittany Murphy just deliveringyou know, beautiful, beautiful line deliveries.
It kills more people was in Vietnamevery day. But yeah, and

(13:01):
I just thought, what what doyou think of? What do you think
is just the episode in general?Just you know, I thought they just
it felt so real this story.Again, we always say the word real
when it comes to King of theHill. Bar just found it's such a
grounded, real take on kids beingcaught smoking by their parents. And I've
never really watched an animated show wheretheir parent gets sort of lured back into

(13:22):
smoking. And I thought it wasreally well handed and really interesting, wasn't
it? That was that was areally a smart move because it's bound to
happen. Of course, Yeah,I gotta say, yeah, I mean
cameing up with our Jones. Wasn'tnecessarily the funniest episode, wasn't no no
of King of the Hill that we'vecovered so far, And you know,
King of the Hills not necessarily saySouth Park where you just find yourself just

(13:43):
absolutely cracking up. It's more sortof a little bit of a belly laugh
more than anything else, though itdoes have a share a really good heavy
chuckles. But yeah, this feltjust more like a warm smile of recognition.
Yeah, yeah, I loved Asyou mentioned, when Hank is pulling
off his punishment with Bobby about youknow, smoking a whole cart what was

(14:07):
a Manitoba one hundred and he goesone of much of your questions. But
yes, boy, I had afeeling that might be so I was,
yeah, in two minds about sayingthat. I thought, no, you
wouldn't. He wouldn't do that.He did. Sorry, how Bobby was
sort of holding his cigarettes like whyare you smoking like a European nuts?

(14:30):
Because the thing, I mean,you have to look cool. Yeah,
I'm sure there are smokers or exsmokers who are listening to the show who
realized that, you know, apart and parcel of the whole cigarette experience
is how you do it, howyou look doing it. I mean,
it's a driveling to say, butin the right hand, smoking and look

(14:52):
incredibly cool. So you know youwant to do it the Marlborough Man way.
You know, between you you know, your middle finger and your index
finger, and you're sort you know, when to hold the viva victory as
a posed to holding it like it'snot gonna lie. It's arguably the first
time Hanks appeared cool on the showwhen he was just sitting there with that
smoke in his hands, like helost his mouth. It's like, yeah,

(15:13):
oh my god, what about Yeah? So yeah, I mean,
I'll admit it, I spent waytoo much time looking at myself in the
mirror. Smoking is like which smokingpose looks best? What were your various
poses? Oh? You sometimes haveit when your thumb and four finger,
but you know, it's kind oflike you're down to the butt or something.
It's like, yeah, I gottaget that. Yeah that's at the

(15:35):
end. But like weo, it'sjoint. Yeah, yeah, that's a
joint. But also it's like there'snot enough left on the butt for me
to hold it between between my fingers. I've got to hold it between my
thumber and four finger. Just getthe very last bit out or um.
Yeah, sometimes you cradle it inyour palm because he knows, Oh,
you know, I wanted to goout or something like that. I don't
know. It's I was young andstupid. Also did you also practice the

(16:00):
flick. I feel like the wayyou flick it to the ground is also
another way of being cool. Likesome people just like throw it, some
sort of put it out, somestand on it. So I'm just like
flick it. I mean, flickit is I didn't want flicking is very
irresponsible, but I never I neverdid in areas and let my catch fire.
I usually just flicked it to theground and a nightmare or a gutter.

(16:21):
Ye. So but yeah, likeI'm ashamed with me that I did
sort of look at myself smoking.How do I look super cool in the
clar when I'm smoking a cigarette?How old were you when you had your
first cigarette? And where were you? Tell me to tell me about that
experience when if if you had yourfirst cigarette, what was going through your
mind before you took your first path? What was tell me take me back
to then. I'm surprised that Iwas going to be still loosening to the

(16:44):
shoulder this because I'm going to soundlike such a dog. I would have
been about fourteen when I smoked myfirst cigarette and this and then I went
years without because you know, kidsat school with the like go down to
the back of the footy over orsomething, you know, far away from
teach, prying eyes and the mostobvious place where people go smoke though.
Absolutely Yeah. And I remember thegirl I really liked started going out with

(17:10):
some other guy and I never hada chance with this girl. But I
was like, oh man, justheartbroken and disappointed. Oh my, go
smoke a cigarette. But when they'redating. The thing is when they're not
dating anybody else, there's a chance. When they're with somebody else, he's
like, ah, oh no,that's everite gonna happen. And it's like,
but if they weren't dating in somebody'slike, maybe there's a chance,
Dando. One of these days,I'm gonna show you a picture of me

(17:33):
at fourteen. I'm gonna show apicture of this girl at fourteen, and
he'll say, you never had achance. Brother, You got a punch
high. Mates, what we bothdid, and we both succeeded, right,
so correct correct took me a whileto learn that lesson. Anyway,
your little foot guy was like,fuck the world, she's dating somebody else.
I want a cigarette. Yeah,And what happened. Yeah, if
Lincoln Park was around the stage,you would have been listening to Lincoln Park

(17:56):
one step. So I went downheads like a dragon cigarette. But where
did you get the cigarett? Wheredid you get it from? Though?
I want to know one of mymates, probably you know JD JP would
JP wasn't really a smoke at thatstage. Might have been Timmy Austin.
He was like the cool kid,Little Timmy Austin. He sounds like he
sounds like the cool kid. Helooked like Leonardo DiCaprio, Matt Dave.

(18:21):
Was he the guy who was lookingup with the girl that you liked?
He did it, I'm saying,but not at this stage. He was
legitimately like movie star handsome. It'slike and then he started smoking. Tim
Yeah he looks like now he doesn't. EXT saw him about a year or
so. I was like, damnman, he's still looking good. Then

(18:41):
again, in dork stories, Iprobably would have been I was first year
UNI. But what do you thinkof this? I wonder what you thought
of the smoke? Or you wentin and you had that smoke? This
no good? I know, I'mnot enjoying this. And then I didn't
like it. Okay, no,no, I think I had to smoke
on stage for a play that Iwas in at school? What really?
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, wedid. Um, this is in the

(19:03):
eighties, this is in the lateeighties. Obviously not a real smoke though,
you're just pretending. No, itwas a real cigarette. But I
didn't know how to smoke. ButI didn't know how to smoke properly.
But it wasn't lit though, wasit? Yeah, it was you smoked.
They made you smoke on stage fora school play. You bet oly

(19:26):
ship. First of all, whatplay was it? And what year was
it? Like? It was aprimary school massuming? No, no,
no, no, this was likeI was in. It was about I
would have been seventeen, because Iwas gonna say there's no Was there an
age limit on smoking in the eighties. I don't think there was. Actually,
I don't think it was until laterthat you had to be eighteen.
So you were smoking on stage ata school play, that is mine.

(19:48):
It was Guys and Dolls. Itwas the musical Guys and Dolls, And
I was the cop who was tryingto stop the ne'er do wells. Except
I didn't know how to smoke.So I had a cigarette. My mouth
I would go so I didn't looklike who's inhaling at all. It just
looked like I would breathe it inthen breathe it out immediately. And I
think anyone who smuggle has got tolook at me, go go, you

(20:11):
don't know to smoked? And I'mlike, shit, it curious. Hanker
would have been furious with me.I think I probably was holding it like
a Nazi as well. Then thenwhen I went to UNI, I would
have been about nineteen, and thisis just so dumb ass. I thought,
it's some stage during my university life, I'm going to be offered marijuana
and they wanted to how to smookit? Who had better practice on actual

(20:33):
cigarettes? Is that how your innervoice sounds? No, that's the lovely
Louise. Let me let just aside track for a second. She is
a counseling the psychotherapist, and she'sbeen writting this book about about psychotherapy.
And there's a concept in there calledthe shadow. That is, you know,

(20:55):
the aspect of yourself that you donot like, and you have to
sort of you can't you can't eliminateit from your life. You have to
integrate it into your life and sortof embrace it and you know, not
push it away. But it's like, you're part of me as well,
and if I want to be afull, whole, integrated person, I
have to acknowledge your existence and cometo terms of it. And that's what
that that's what the shadows at sendsout dead. He did do it this

(21:15):
department, Yeah, pretty much.But I was in minds like I don't
want to go to some cool partywith cool hippie cheeks who were like,
hey man, take a took upthis reef and I'll be like I'd be
like, so, I'm gonna haveto learn how to smoke. So I
practice on cigarettes. I was workingat this reception and occasionally people would leave

(21:37):
like half a pack of cigarettes onthe table and you'd be like, well,
fine, I'm tak yeah. Yeah, Like I said, this is
back in the day when they costeight bucks a pack. You didn't care
if you left a few behind.Um. So I took this pack of
Windfield Reds and you know, wenthome and went out the back garden.
I was like, all right,let's learn how to do this. Probably
also watch die Hard and like Bruce'sdoing that pretty well, I'm gonna try

(22:00):
and do it Bruce Star. Andthat's how I started smoking cigarettes, and
I think it was about another yearand a half of ra actually smoked a
joint. And when did you quitbut every day smoke? Yeah, that's
interesting, Probably sometime in my thirties. But then I would pick it up
and drop it for about you know, I would not smoke for like five

(22:22):
years or socially smoke, you know, once in a while, but then
maybe yeah, three, four orfive years. I'm like, I'm back
on him for a little while,and then i'd drop it again for a
while. And it's been it's beena good ten years, ten fifteen years
since I smoked full time. OhRob, this crap. Well, my
favorite modes from the episode where I'veloved the excuse Bobby gave. I'm like,

(22:48):
this is actually genius cancer, youknow, all these other things I
thought they were the ingredients. Bobbythere is being honest. I think that
Bobby is not trying to be cleverthere, he's being honest, And I'm
like, that is surely an excusesomeone has given in the past, because
that is actually genius. I thoughtthat would the ingredients. I just love
that, love the innocence of Bobbythere. But also I loved Bill after

(23:12):
everyone turns on Hank. Can Iget a new buddy? Even Bill turns
on him. I found it hardto believe that everyone in the in the
what do they call the sire,Yeah, it's like a smoker's anonymous basically.
Yeah, they had like a coolslash dorky name. I found it

(23:34):
odd that they would all sort ofturn on him because I get the feeling
they were like a lot of themare the same generation as Hank, and
they probably have the same upbringing youor that, Because I mean that whole
thing about caught you smoking cigarettes,I'm gonna make you smoke so many cigarettes
when they want to smoke again.That was kind of like a cross between
an Old Wives talent and an herbidlegend work. How would that ever work?

(23:59):
Well, it's yeah, just youknow, you smoke so many it's
like, oh my god, I'mover You have overloaded your system and you'd
probably die of nicotine poison. Yeah. Yeah, whatever, just makes it
so there's an overloading assistem like,oh, I never want to do that
again. I found on the Kingof the Hill wiki page interesting facts about
the episode as well. So theJoneses is a play on keeping up with

(24:22):
the Jones as we mentioned earlier,but Jones is also the name for an
addiction, which is where the titlecomes from. Yeah, so we'll be
confused. Last week when we weretalking about the title or like keeping up
with your name is I wonder whatthis one's gonna be about. I thought
when I thought when they started smoking, I'm like, oh, is everyone
in town're gonna be smoking? Andthen Hank is going to feel like the
odd one out. But no,it was actually the opposite, which I
thought it was a really good spinon the on the story. Then,

(24:45):
while Bobby is craving nicotine and goingthrough withdrawals, he's seen hiding behind a
public bench in which a man sitsfrom that scene secretly relishing in the secondhand
smoke. The man on the benchis later seen among the anti smoking meeting
at hotel at Motel Island. Yeah, he doesn't speak, he's just there
in the background. A scene writtenfor the episode. This is a deleted
scene. So a scene written forthe episode featured Bobby meeting up with a

(25:08):
bunch of anti smoking kids who getshim to go into a store to buy
cigarettes to see the shop owner andactually enforces the age limit when the shop
owner fails to do so, andBobby gets the cigarettes. He actually walks
out the store then runs away withhim, but the kids chasing after him.
This was deleted, but it's onthe DVD Season one. Apparently there's
a character called Jimmy Wichard who makeshis debut in this episode. In the

(25:30):
meeting as well, he gets aspeaking robber. He's featured in several episodes
going forward in the future. Andthen finally I thought this was a nice
little, nice little animation gag.Here. So when the storm is happening
at the end and it sends acigarette into the prison cell, there are
four male prisoners in the cell.Right, they all jump out of their
beds and fight over it. Sayshere. If you look closely, right

(25:52):
before they all jump out of thebed, two of them are actually sleeping
in a bed together the top leftcorner with the other bed one bed actually
still let and one beds. Iam a proud, ignorant woman, and
no one is going to change that. Now. That is the stupidest thing
I ever heard anyone say. Allright, it is time for trivia,

(26:12):
mister Davis. Hit me with yourfirst question, please, because you've already
stolen my first question. I amand I'm sorry about that. Dan.
It was not my intention. Thetobacco industry mascot in the pamphlet that the
Dale shows his son, do youremember its name? I didn't undercon visualize
him a little smoky, but whatwas it? Little Puffy? His name

(26:33):
is Puffy Puffy in that folder PuffyHome Simpson made a mascot once called Siggy.
My next question is Hank and Peggyhaven't smoked in how long they have
not smoked in? Twelve years?Correct? Dozen years? Twelve? Let's
work, Nicola and I we've beentogether twelve years last week. Congratulations,

(26:57):
thanks mate. That's a nice likean unlucky lady. She's doing it right.
She did Okay, she got thecream of the crop. Um.
Hank gets up after going to bedbecause he thinks he has left which appliance
one? But he really wants togo smoke a cigarette? Ah? Is
it blender? It's the blender?Blender all right? And my final question

(27:22):
is Bill has been to how manysessions a bit of a bit of Matthia.
Oh oh, he's gone to fiftytwo? Yeah, six days a
week. Oh oh my gosh.Oh I thought he went once a week
for a year. Okay, sosorry, six times a year. So

(27:42):
we went six times a week aweek for for for a year's fifth fifty
two times six six three hundred atsix thousand, two hundred and forty.
Okay, so he's been to sixtwo hundred and forty sessions. That's a
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in the description of this podcast.The original airdate with Keeping Up with Our
Joneses was April twenty seventh, nineteenninety seven. It was directed by John
Rice and written by Jonathan Collier andJoe Stillman. The episode kicks off with
you Know the intro. At thestart, you Know what I found lately
is could we do a Friends podcast? You know, Kip the Hill Southpark.

(28:57):
I always watched the intros. NowI feel like it's really important to
watch these intros because these themes weremade for a reason. Now I'm made
to sort of get you into themood for the show. And like,
for example, when Nicola now watcheshis Friends on Netflix, she always skips
the song, and I'm just like, I don't know, Like when I'm
watching it, I always refused toskip the intro because it just gets you
into like the Friends moved, Like, you watch this intro and it's like

(29:18):
you're ready for Kick of the Hillwhen it's done. It's a weird thing
for me. I always I neverI feel like the skip the intro.
It's a time saver for the reallylong intros and modern in modern shows.
But like I just feel like,I don't know, these intros were made
for a reason. You know,I'm not a skip intro guy. I
tend not to be. Yeah,that's just sometimes you skip intro and it's
like you've skipped it for five seconds. It's like it was it worth saving

(29:41):
that five seconds. But the episodekicks off with Hank and Peggy. They're
cleaning the bathroom and Hanks annoyed thatthe ground is supposed to be clean for
twenty years and eighteen seventeen. WarrantingLawanne then enters and hey, I thought
this is a bit odd. HankOver exaggerates, Oh, I'm in the
shower. He's like, good,next time I might be in the shower.
An whatever felt a bit too much, too much, Hank there,

(30:03):
I feel like I'd seen an episodeone or two gag as opposed to one
episode ten gag. Yeah. Yeah, And she's annoyed because Ladybird has eaten
all of her cruelty freemakeup. ButHank thinks that she put the makeup on
the dog and take it off.She looks like fran Dresher. It's pretty
cruel. I'm sorry. Friend dressis a bit of a smoke show.
I got to say. Yeah.I mean even during the nanny was like

(30:26):
it's kind of pretty, and thenyou look at like seventies era friend dresser
like, oh my god, damn. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Bobby
and Joseph they're going through a garbageat the gas station or something, starving
yea behind the convenience store or something. Yeah, looking for parts for their

(30:48):
death cart, which has no bearingon the episode that I thought death cart
was going to be their story,but nope, and that's a story for
another day. But then they finda cigarette, a Manitoba one hundred and
it's the official cigarette of the RoyalCanadian Mounted Police. I like that.
I love that, Joseph. Theygetting the second hand smoke. It's like,
you have a smoke, only secondhand from my dad. Looks like

(31:14):
at that age, it's still thismysterious thing smoking, isn't it. It's
like, oh yeah, it's likepeople are always telling you you shouldn't do
it. It's like, but why, I want to know? What's it
gonna do to me? Yeah?Yeah, So they go try it out
in the in the toilet, Hanktries getting in. I'm assuming they must
have been there with Hank, becauseit was just seems very convenient that Hank
was just there at that point intime. But he finds him with the

(31:36):
smoke. Well, do you wantto lose along? Because if you do,
I am sure there's another little boyout there who would take it.
In a second, didn't you readthis cancer heart disease amphasema? I thought
those are the ingredients. Hey,do not be a smart mouth, young
man. Now, I gave upsmoking so you could be free of birth
effects. And this is how youreplay me. Yeah, you don't know

(31:57):
how hard it is to quit.Your mother and I went through hell trying
to Hey, don't recline on mywell, I'm talking to you. That's
just wonder me. Why when you'rein high school, the teachers young actually
sort of lean back in your chack, don't lean on your chair. It
was the thing we used to alwaysdo in high school, was leaning on
the back of our chairs. Didyou ever do that, lean on the
back two legs? Oh? Yeah, absolutely, Why do we do that?

(32:21):
It felt like it was just likea thing we did, like just
made us feel more comfortable. Andteachers constantly saying, don't lean him back
in your chair. Then one keepfall over and bang his head. And
I was like, oh, wellit wasn't me. You keep going.
This is why they said not tolean back on the chair. But it
was just so much fun to do, so it was yeah, I'm doing
it now in this chair here.It's actually, um, yeah, it's
pretty good to keep doing it forthe rest of the show, I think.
But they said that they both quitand because of Bobby. And then

(32:45):
they mentioned, you know, onlya trailer trash smoke nowadays, and Layne
takes offense to that, and shegets upset and peace, I no,
no, You're not not trailer trash. You just grew up in a trailer.
Then Hak takes him outside. He'sgonna teach me my lesson. He's
gonna make him smoke an tire carton. And it turns out this was bad
for both Bobby and Hank. Illadvised, Yes, I mean I don't
I don't think this logic would work. Ever, I just don't see I've

(33:07):
heard stories people saying I'm gonna makeit smoke the whole thing. It's like
what, Joseph, I understand yousmoked your first cigarette today. I'm sorry,
Dad, I'll never smoke again.Whoa hold on, Son. I
want you to keep an open mindso you can make an informed decision.
If you want, you can reada bloated government report on smoking, or
go straight to the horse's mouth andget the facts from the tobacco industry.

(33:31):
Then Bobby is holding the cigarette likea European Nazi, and this, this
whole scene was just awesome, wasn'tit? Just? I just love the
visuals of just Hank slowly getting luiit in, getting sucked in his like
let me show you again, letme show you again, and just that
throwing the cigarette into the mouth.I was like, oh, like funzi,
yeah, yeah. And then weget the transition of Bobby. He's

(33:52):
feeling really sick. Now Hank says, go get the hose he can.
We're gonna seen him of talking tohis mates and saying, you know,
it's like cleaning out of radiating,go take it back and flush it clean.
Then I was confused at first.We see some like water trickle past
Hank's feet and I'm like, whatthe fuck was that? And I realized
it was the hose from Bobby cleaningthe bombit. Yeah. Then Bobby and

(34:13):
Hank are both in bed and they'refeeling the itch. They're both you know,
they both need a cigarette. They'reboth they're hooked now. And Peggy's
furious after Hank tells and that tellsher that what he did, says,
may stunt his growth and he doesnot need that. So Hank says,
I have to go out and dosome stuff, and he goes out to
smoke. Have you ever done this? Like, what what is like your
thing that like it's not an addictionlike alcohol or cigarette? But do you
have like a thing that you donot that you're ashamed about that you just

(34:37):
prefer that other people don't know thatyou do besides waking, of course,
like I'm going to concop to thison this podcast. No, I like
to think that I've sort of gota handle on all my vices and addictions
now. I mean either to thefact that that that I don't really do
them or I'm not ashamed of them. So have you ever like ducked out

(35:00):
when you were growing up and it'slike Mom and Dad, I'm just going
out to our stock Lenny and Carl, when really you were going out to
do something that you knew you weren'tsupposed to. Do you have like any
hidden play dudes in your room orsomething, and you're like, I'll just
go into my room to do somehomework. Oh, of course, of
course everyone had, well people ofa certain age, certainly I had hidden
play dudes or before the internet,yes, or now you've got your father

(35:21):
that says, you know, importantwork papers or something like that, and
then you've got the one person.You're trying to say, like an event
of my death. There's a filecalled you know, there's a folding all
important work papers. Delete it.Now. What I like about this next
thing where Hank goes out for asmoke is there's like a pan out and
goes up to the moon and ittransitions back down to Bobby smoking outside.

(35:43):
I thought the animation on that scenethere was awesome. It was really well
directed, wasn't The music was fantasticas well. Yeah, yeah, there
was a lot to like about that. I was like, not that it
felt out of character with King ofthe Hill or anything like that, or
you know, like, wow,this is so much better than everything else
King of the Hills done. It'slike this feels out of character but also
in character. But just great.I mean it was so well put together

(36:07):
and just a just a brief scene. But yeah, and not showoff he
in any way. It's just likethat's just stylish. That's good. Yeah,
it was. It was stylish.That's a good word for it.
Yeah, we've come back from commercial. We're now at school and Bobby sees
the cigarette billboard. He's hooked.He needs him recess cigarettes. What's what
it names that? Yeah, Iknow, And Hank is labeling things at

(36:27):
work just to distract himself from actuallyhaving a cigarette. So he goes to
talk to Enrique, who sees himsmoken and what's a Peggy just arriving on
the lunch break. It's like,hey, time for lunch break. Yeah,
that's that's seems odd. We're goingfor lunch Okay. Yeah. Normally
the show is a little more sortof elegant, and it's you know,

(36:49):
scene building with stuff that's like,oh, he's you know, he's worried
about a Cigarette's like yeah, butstill, why is Beggy showing up?
Doesn't make any sense? But butit does culminate with a nice scene with
you in Kate. I'm like,you think Hank would know a bit more
about propane and broke pane accessories tobe smoking around them. Is it supposed
to be emphasizing that he's being irresponsible? It could well be. Yeah.

(37:15):
The window and Enrica as the diveand the save was like, thank goodness,
ye, Luanne is now set up. Lady Bird. I didn't like
this scene. I was like,that's not fairly lady. He left the
ship in the middle of the floor, It's like, it's like putting a
sausage on the floor and yelling adog for eating it. It's like,
motherfucker, it's on the floor.I guess she's trying to speed up the
you know, the what do youcall it? What do you call it?

(37:36):
That aversion therapy process. What Idid like though, because he may
use that there was a sea plantfor later in the episode, which I
didn't expect it to be. Yeah, that's true. I wasn't. I
didn't see that coming either. Butshe's like, oh, who knows when
the dog is gonna get into themake up again, I might as well
set up a situation it happened soto you know, make sure that it

(37:57):
doesn't happen again. Yeah, it'spretty proactive. I think you're on the
Land's part. The thing is,though, if a little so Hank was
going through all this trouble to havePeggy not see him smoke, he flicks
the cigarette into almost into the propeaningblah blah blah, and the next thing,
he just pulls out a pack ofsmokes and starts smoking your friend about
the cafe. I was like,what, hang on, Yeah, wait
a minute, that's a big oldplot. Yeah. I just felt it

(38:22):
was like you went through all that, went through all that trouble, not
wanting to get caught, and thenhe's just sitting at the cafe and he's
like, yeah, he's a cigaretteand unless again they're sort of doing some
subconscious and was like, oh,it just gets a hold of him and
you don't even care, you don'teven you don't even know you're doing it.
Yeah, possibly, yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought well,
I thought at first it was goingto be that he started smoking without realizing

(38:43):
he was doing it, and hegets out to talk himself out of it,
but for some reason he just pullsit up. Anyway. He's a
bad influence on her, you know, he says, you know, just
check out the smell, and heblows smoking her face. And then get
a little little reminiscent montage there withthem in their younger days, which was
very sweet, wasn't it just seeingthem be pretty cares yeah, young and
full of life. I did getto get a big laugh out of the

(39:07):
the bit where he's lighting two cigarettesand he's you think he's doing that romance
and think of like, oh,I'm lighting for both They both have two
cigarettes, which is, which issomething I actually did back in my smoking
days. If you were drunken,yeah, like you're smoking two cigarettes at
once, I know, just tobe a clown made you look cooler.

(39:28):
They did it, or do youthink it was? Okay? But the
next day Bobby's eating his sausages likea cigarette, and it's just one of
those things where you know, they'vetold Bobby he can't smoke, but meanwhile
they're both there smoking, and Hankand Peggy they're showing their cigarette in the
bathroom and Bobby Bobby just venting athim. Well, I found the tile,

(39:49):
thank you very much, Peggy,and I looked at it. But
there's still some more tile for youto look at. You know. I
think I will save the rest ofmy tile for after breakfast. Will you
start talking about your stupid tile.If it's so dirty, go clean it.
And if it's clean, you canshut up. By the way,
I think it's here that that Peggyuses the line so Alive with pleasure,

(40:14):
which is actually as it was thetagline for a brand of US called Newport
Okay, because I wasn't sure ifit was Newport or not, but I
thought i'd do a little um halfhour's research before this episode for a change,
and yeah, so is it Newport? Yes, I looked up found
Newport ads, but found this greatarticle was saying, yeah, Newport sold

(40:35):
these cigarettes in kind of a sexyfashion, but they weren't too blatant with
it. But you look at allthese new ads for newportans. Basically,
yeah, everything looks sex ish.I mean, I know I will certainly
put a link to this only onthe patron's page. I know, I
said I'll do that, but thisthis year you gotta see, folks.
But you said that the last threetimes you've said that, you still haven't

(40:58):
done it. I did. Icertainly did it with one of them.
I definitely did it with one ofthem, did you Okay, then one
out of three eight band to quoteto quote Meatloaf or to misquote Meatloaf speaking
of sexy ads. I went backand checked out the ad you're talking about
with the leggings or whatever it was, the sexy legs or whatever it was
sexily and the guys are just like, check her out. She's like,

(41:22):
yeah, ticking that guys, thislike amazing, What the fuck is this?
She's just like, hey, lookall you want buys. It's plenty
more where that came from. I'mgoing on here, you've got the leering
trainees and business but on the streetsfloor. Yeah, and they're just like
waving guys. Ever, check outthe legs, And she's just like,

(41:43):
yeah, check out my legs.Everybody wins. Yeah, objectification for everybody.
But Hank suggests Smoky's, that placewhere we used to go with smoke
smokies. Bobby then takes in somesecondhand smoke from the stranger sitting on the
chairs were mentioning earlier. And bythe way, Bobby stubbing out his sausage
as well. At the end ofthat, I thought that was just that's

(42:05):
such a great visual gag. Theguys he hangs with with the boys and
he pulls out of smoke, theycan't believe it. What are you doing?
Mate? But then Dale, youknow that. I don't think Dale
is a very good person. It'swhat ten episodes in. I think he's
supposed to be the representation of nomoral compass, just overall shit persons.

(42:28):
Yeah, yeah, I feel Ifeel like he's a probably a good friend
to Hank, but just not agood person. Yeah, there's a great
line in um hot tub time machinewhere one of the guys has ended up
in hospital and his friends all sharpand they're trying to explain when there's like,
you know how you know when you'regroup of friends, you got that
one friend was an asshole, he'sour asshole kind of scans. They arrive

(42:55):
at Smokey, so no one talkedto Smokey. How is how is the
old guy? Oh no, he'sdead. You know those last year's when
it all spread to his bones.It's like, oh shit. Then they
enter the smoker's room and it isfilth and it's like this. Honestly,
this, this visual here is whatpeople who don't smoke see when they look

(43:15):
at a room full of smokers.This is what we're in dread. Yeah,
I mean there aren't many sort ofsmoking areas now there's little smoking areas
and maybe out the back of pubsor nightclubs or whatever. Airports, certainly,
I mean he used to be ableto smoke on planes. You can't
smoke in an airport at all.A little holding pen that's you know,

(43:37):
about the size of a public aboutthe size of it's tiny. Yeah,
And you can see a few sortof sad smokers in there having their dreams,
like, oh god, I mustsuck to be in there, and
then sucking be sitting next to thatperson on the plane. Awful reeks.
But then Bobby, he tries tohave a smoke in bed, sets fire
to his blankets, says off thefire alarm. Then they're all walking in.

(44:00):
They're yelling at him, all withcigarettes in their hands, and Lune's
furious, you know that, shecan't believe that they're all smoking, Like
what's going on here? She's done, She's the person all the morals here,
like what's going on? I can'tbelieve you're doing this? So they
all go to the session to quitat Motel Alan and Hanky Hanks the cigarettes
are turned into a bit of adouche, don't you Reckon? Like he's

(44:21):
mean to the guy's hosting their things. Someone's going to kick his ass and
he's mean to be. I gottalaugh out of that, because that guy
obviously means well, it wasn't beinga little sanctimony's being a little bit self
righteous and a bit of a dweeb. Yeah, so I got the feeling
someone's gonna kick his ass. Billis there too, and it was lines
like, that's okay if you wantto speak up. It's not easy to

(44:42):
admit that you're weak. Come on, dad, open up. Oh is
this your son? It's beautiful howyou came out to support your daddy.
I'm a smoker too. Oh no, how long have you been addicted to
cigarettes since? My dad let mesmoke a whole carton? Oh wait a

(45:04):
minute, I didn't let him.I made him. It was a punishment.
Can I do nobody? What isrom with him's? You are sixer.
You shouldn't be allowed to have children. Now, hold on a minute
here, I didn't bring my familyhere to be yelled at. I don't
think I like this club. Youall wine too much and the coffee's bad.

(45:25):
I'll tell you what you need todo. You need to take a
thirteenth step down off your high horse. Yeah. Now everyone is angry with
each other at dinner. They're allthey're all on edge because they they're having
nicotine with drawls. And why isshe still talking? It's become horrible people,

(45:46):
horrible, horrible, horrible people.Lauren then enters the same way that
you did with Ladybird. When Hankssneaking up in the middle of the night,
trying to get a cigarette off theoff the window sill and she shakes
the thing. What have you everthought it was like camp? Is he
like gone like like like when he'strying to do something. Yeah, I've
done a bit of hissing. Um, yeah, I can't mean to use

(46:07):
like a little water spray thing.But yeah, generally he's pretty well behaved,
but mainly peaky them buys the thenicotine patches and Bobby eats one.
He acts like a dog. He'sjust like a rabbit animal now. And
Luanne then gives Hank a treat becauseHank is going to sneak and take one
and he went to go for itand he held back, and she gives
him a treat because he didn't takeit. But Peggy, she takes a

(46:28):
cigarette and she runs off. Theyfind her in the um in the cuboin.
Can't you see I'm knitting? AndBobby's like, who's your I'm not
just son, I'm mid buddy onwho's your buddy? Giving the cigarette she
gives to the Bobby. Of coursehe runs off as well. To Luanne
then locks them all in a roomuntil they get their ship sorted. She
says I've had enough dysfunctional families.I'm not going to let this one go
down the same path. And they, yeah, they all have their pitch

(46:50):
on why they should have the cigarette. Hanks like, come on, Pecky,
you and I can do it,and it's like Bobby, we can
take her. Basically, whatever's gonnawork for as long as it ends up
with getting a cigarette, He's allfor it. And Peggy then takes it.
She throws it out the window iswhere we get the storm. She's
like, this fire as his family'sbeen through fires, tornadoes and every strain
of fluid the Orient could throw itus. They're not ashamed of using the

(47:13):
word Orient on this show, arethey? No? No, I'm wondering
when exactly that did go out ofvogue will become sort of politically incorrect to
say, because I don't know,for a good part of my life,
it just seem like, yeah,you say Orient when you're talking about sort
of like the Asian part of theworld, and some wrong line is like,

(47:34):
no, you don't call it that. It's like, oh, okay,
then I'll take note. But thestorm is just taking everything out downtown,
takes down to billboard, cigarette goesinto the prison that we're discussing earlier,
and they all wake up the nextmorning, they feel clean, and
they just start enjoying each other's companyagain. I'm like, I'm not sure
that would be it would be thateasy. I feel like the ending he
felt a little rushed, don't youthink like it was it was building up

(47:55):
to I was building up to amoment. I feel like them sort of
getting off of cigarettes just felt likeI'm not I felt unrealistic, which is
a weird thing for kias Like whatyou're saying, you just gotta go outside
and smell fresh air and then you'llbe over it. It's it's a it
was a not a real I justdidn't buy into this at all. Really,

(48:16):
No, No, it's you know, you'll wake up one day and
you realize, oh don't really yeah, don't need it or don't want it
as much as I. But yeah, it's not it's not instantaneous, and
it doesn't happen overnight, but itwill happen to quite the old hair.
Was it hard for you to quitsmoking? Not really? No, I

(48:39):
mean said that. I I'd go, I'd relapse every once in a while,
but when the last time was liketen years ago, you said,
wasn't it, Yeah, ten fifteenyears ago. Yeah, when I made
my decisions to quit, I wasnever like, oh man, oh I'm
irritable all the time. Oh Ireally need one. I was like,
that was easier than I thought.And I never had to use nicotine patches

(48:59):
or or gum or anything like that. I think one of my sisters did
hypnosis to stop, and that's workedpretty well. She hasn't smoked since.
So there you go. And overthe credits we get boom Hammer with his
arm anti little anti smoking little spiel. And as you were saying earlier,
I did get RDJ. The Simpsonsdid it in two thousand. King of

(49:20):
the Hills do it ninety seven.RDJ clearly not back on the right path
yet. Still the yeah. Yeah. There was an article today actually in
one of the showbiz newspapers talking aboutthe the MCU and how this one of
the one of the sort of initialarchitects of it was like it was down
to Robert Danny Jr. And TimothyOliphants um to play Iron Man, and

(49:47):
Oliphant was pretty hot at this stageand still is. I mean he's fantastic
actor. And there was like,why do you want Robert Danny Jr.
That guy's a drug act all thisguy's up. You know, his career
is not exactly hot. And no, no, he's the guy. Here's
the guy. And then of coursehistory, yeah, yeah, the rest
is history. Year around this stage, I think it was going like,
yeah, he's good and we'll keephim around and you know, until he

(50:12):
really really fucks up. But Idon't know, he's just not gonna hit
the heights that we always thought thathe would. Shame about Robert Danny Jr.
He showed us he sure did,he sure did. Indeed. All
right, Well, the next episodeI was speaking at the Hill. We
are going to be reviewing the episodeKing of the Ant Hill, so listen
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(50:34):
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