Embodied Healing and Energetic Discernment with Julie Claire

Trigger Warning: This episode includes discussion of sexual abuse and trauma. Please take care while listening, and pause or skip if you need to. Your well-being always comes first.
This week on the Spirit Journey Collective, I’m joined by Julie Claire — a spiritual mentor, guide, and former academic who now helps others bridge the gap between intellect and intuition. After years of living in her head and navigating cycles of burnout, Julie began a powerful journey of spiritual initiation and energy healing. In our conversation, she shares how she developed a healing methodology that integrates the body, mind, and soul — helping others expand their heart space, reconnect with their intuition, and embody their deeper truth. We talk about what it means to move out of ego-based thinking, develop energetic discernment, and return to a more grounded, soul-aligned way of living.
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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Spirit Journey Collective. I'm your host, Sarah Tai.
Get ready for compelling conversations with guests of all walks
of life who believe they have found their purpose. Together,
we will uncover unique backstories, hearing the raw experiences that
led them to the work they're doing today. Let's expand
our minds together with the captive being stories and inspiration

(00:22):
that awaits.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Thank you so much for joining me for another episode
of Spirit Journey Collective. I have a really wonderful guest today.
Her name is Julie Claire. She's a spiritual guide, teacher, mentor,
energy healer, etc. I'm so excited to have her here.
Thank you for being here today.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
Julie, Hey, Hi, glad to be here.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Yes, I'm so glad that you're here too. And why
don't you take a moment to just expand on what
it is you offer and a little bit about who
you are?

Speaker 3 (00:49):
Sure well, what I offer is spiritual mentorship. In a nutshell,
it can be simpler than that. It's spiritual mentorship for
I only work with small group and mostly only one
on one, and it's just slowly go through the process
of decluttering the energy field. Decluttering the mind decluttering the

(01:10):
body so that the soul, the soul can come in
more and more. In a nutshell, that's what it comes
down to, And then you know, how do I go
about it. There's a whole bunch of different ways, But
at the end of the day, it's always about helping
my students develop more and more energetic discernment so they
can tell the difference energetic discernment, tell the difference between

(01:30):
the voice of their ego, the voice of their wounded child,
the voice of an internalized authority figure that hurt them.
Like just like, the more you can discern all these
different voices, the more you can come to the place
where there's choice of what you're going to give your
power over to. So in many ways, it's like this
is about empowerment, but not in the sense of like

(01:51):
I'm a strong woman, empowerlel fuck you guys. It's like,
it's not like that. It's about coming back to yourself
and reclaiming ownership and sovereignty of your vessel. So in
order to have soul embodiment, we need to fine tune
and develop the energetic discernment so so much that we

(02:11):
become really, really good at knowing how to love and
welcome and work with whatever energies show up in us.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
That's really beautiful. I love that on some of different
levels because I think it's like either we're sleepwalking and
we're completely unaware that we even have a soul and
that we're, you know, a spiritual being having a human experience,
like we're totally unaware, or we're just starting to become aware.
But there's so many things that are kind of blocking
us from really connecting with that part of us which

(02:41):
has always been there, but then society, conditions and programming
and belief systems and all these things were handed to us.
And so I love the discernment piece and the empowerment piece.
That's it's interesting because that's a lot of what I
do in my work. I'm a terror reader, and I
love to use it for empowerment. And it's like I

(03:01):
love being alble to tell them you know more than
you think you do, because most of the time they
come to me and they're like, oh my gosh, I
already was thinking this. I already kind of knew this,
but I wasn't sure. And reminding them, no, you are
your own compass and learning how to listen to what
that feels like and teaching that and you know, especially
all the different ways that you do that, which I
can't wait to dive into. But I just love the

(03:22):
main focus that you have, which is bringing people back
to themselves on like that soul level. And so that's
really really cool. What I would love to ask next
is how did you find this work? So is this
something that you've always been doing or is this something
that kind of found you and you were you know,
pulled into this work.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
Yeah, that's a good question. I think that unless you
come from like a lineage of healers, you know, like
your dad was one, and his granddad and the grandma
and the whatever, and I don't know, like, you know,
unless you're coming from that kind of context, which is
a very valid context. Most of people that work in
the field of energy healing are wounded healers, right. They
are people that went through deep trauma as children, and

(04:04):
in their process of healing and of doing all the work,
you just get to a place when you rediscover what
it's like to be at peace and to feel safe
in yourself. After doing the healing work, You're like, I
want everyone to know this, you know, like it's like
it's just there's nothing more natural than it's like it's

(04:26):
it's kind of like you found out a secret, you know,
and you're like, I got to get this out in
the world. You know. It's just so it's like there's
like this deep need to do it to go about it.
But basically, in a nutshell, I I was a highly
traumatized child, you know. I grew up in a very
traumatic environment, and I dissociated from my body, and I

(04:47):
just I just had a really strong intellect and I
was like, all right, I'm going to go out in
the world and do whatever I want. And just my
body's got all this pain in it, so I'm just
gonna act like it doesn't exist, and I'm still going
to use it to walk, but I'm not gonna act,
you know. And then what happens when you actually do
come back in the body and feel the pain and
release and work with the trauma, and then you're like,

(05:07):
oh my god, okay, but you also know everything you
did that didn't help, right, and that's what you want
to share too.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
Yeah, that's and you know, it's interesting is it's like
so many people that I bring on have similar versions
of that story is that you know, and like you said,
I mean, there's only a very select few of guests
that I've had who were already open to this work
and introduced to this work from a young age. Like
that just doesn't happen very often, you know, being in

(05:37):
that environment where they can like be creative and curious
and there isn't a lot of trauma. Most of the time.
It's like society says, this is what you're supposed to be,
this is what you're supposed to believe, this is how
you're supposed to act, and then we just go out
into the world and try and fit into these boxes
that were handed to us.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
Oh, I want to say about that you were asking,
You're asking, was I introduced to this? So at a
certain point in my when I was twenty five, I
wasn't introduced to a master alchemist and he just looked
at me. He scanned my field and he's like, your
soul is crying, and he's like, it touches me so deeply.
I want you to do an apprenticeship with me. And
I was like a university student, you know, Summa cum lauda,

(06:14):
a plus grade point average and my master's degree, get
a ready to be a university professor. And I was like, like,
who's this guy? You know? Who invited him to the party,
you know? But my soul resonated so deeply with what
he said that I knew I had to. But something
I want to say about my childhood is that I've

(06:36):
always had strong intuitive skills, but it was in such
a dissociated version, right. So I would be going through
trauma such as sexual abuse or like like big trauma,
going through it, and there was two parts of me.
There was the part of me overlooking the situation, like
my soul my intuition, letting me know what's going on,

(06:58):
letting me know, Okay, this is about to happen, and
it's not going to be easy, you know. But and
this is what's going on in them, and this is
the trauma they went through as a child, and this
is this, and this is that. So I had all
this information at a quantum intuitive level while being a
little child and a six year old body and still
going through the trauma. So that that's been a recurring

(07:22):
theme in my life, all these key moments of highly
traumatic events that I always had this weird piece of
understanding what's going on, even if I didn't understand the terms,
but not knowing how to make sure the body had
that safety right. So it's a good dissociation, but it's

(07:44):
like it's like the dissociation between your intuition. That's like, yo, girl,
let me tell you what it's about to let me
tell you what's about to go down here, And it's
not your fault and it's not about you, but you're
still going to go through it.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
First of all, I'm so sorry that you experienced that,
but also you know that dissociation. I mean, I feel
like it's it's a combination of like, you know, it
was protective of you and also probably gave you a
perspective that you wouldn't have had access to if it
wasn't already offered, And so I mean, I don't know

(08:15):
if that helped in the long run, but I mean,
either way, that's horrible trauma. You know, a lot of intuitives, though,
go through something something similar in the sense that a
lot of the times we tend to know when something's off,
you know, And that was at least my experience, being
you know, an EmPATH. I was also so funny, like
a lot of my childhood. I don't even really remember

(08:38):
very well for sween certain ages I just don't recall,
and it's like it's almost like this big gap in
my memory. And it's and I learned when I got older, like, oh,
you're really good at dissociating. You're really good at like,
you know, basically not having to be present when I
needed to you will not and I need to be,
but when I had to protect myself. And so it's

(09:00):
so interesting now coming full circle, after I have done
a lot of healing, it does I still get that way,
but now it's more of a balance. It's more of
a Okay, this is what's happening. And so I guess
for me now it's more of like an information download
where I can stay at balance and center in the
midst of it, because now I'm grown up and I

(09:20):
can emotionally regulate much better than I used to all
of those things. But I mean, yeah, I think a
lot of people probably can relate to that on some level.
And then I think part of what your work is
is is finding helping people reconnect with that on a
more balanced level.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
Yeah, just like the minute you say, there's entire parts
of my child that I don't remember. That's real dissociation.
We weren't there anymore. Right. So this other thing we're
talking about, which is what a lot of I agree
that a lot of intuitives go through that you're in
a situation where you're going through a trauma and at
the same time you understand what's going on, which is

(09:57):
the strangest thing, because like in true dissociation, you just
get the out of there. You know, your consciousness is gone.
It's like I have pieces of my childhood like that.
I'm like, I don't know what happened between that part
of the memory and that part of the memory, but
clearly it was traumatic enough that I don't have access
to it. And there are ways to access that, but

(10:18):
you do it very softly and gently, and you get
the person ready for that because it's literally stored in
a different part of the brain than the rest of
the where we access memory. But yeah, I think that's
the reality of a lot of empaths. Another thing that
they go empaths go through, which is what I did
part of when I was in this abusive situation with

(10:40):
an uncle, is that sometimes what the EmPATH does is
they leave their body and not just to go float
above it. They leave their body to go into the
body of the other person to try to understand what
their perspective is. I think that sometimes leads to deeper trauma.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
Yeah, it's like there's usion around why they're doing what
they're doing. And then I don't know if that could
even make it confusing as far as like ameshment or
you know, kind of like I mean, it's hard because
one thing that I have learned in my spiritual journey
is this compassion even for those that have really hurt me.
And you know, and I still it's funny because I

(11:21):
still struggle with that on some level. It's like, Okay,
they're not as big of a monster as I thought
they were, because they're actually just human beings who are
also traumatized in hurt and don't know how to deal
with that traumatized and they're likely they're just burying it
underneath their behavior, you know. And so I can like
see that and it helps me have compassion. But then

(11:43):
there's that like that fine line of but they still
did it, and you know what I mean. So there's
a lot of forgiveness work that can come around that.
But when when you say that that it's more traumatizing.
Is it more like an ameshment standpoint?

Speaker 3 (11:57):
Uh? Well, for me, what happened is I project myself
into his body and then I saw what he was
thinking about while he was doing the abuse. It had
nothing to do with me. I wasn't even that's weird
stuff to realize. It's like, wow, I'm not even part
of this abuse, even though he's doing it to me.
He was reliving his childhood, his father beating him up,

(12:18):
all his rage and anger against his mother that never
protected him. And I just like that. That's kind of
part of my intuitive skills. It's just like these like
holographic downloads and one shot it's Clark cognizance and one
second I just couldn't understand the whole kaleidoscope of someone's
life and why they did what they did. But like,
I didn't do it on purpose, but in that moment,
I abandoned myself, Like I didn't mean to, you know,

(12:41):
it was just it was this weird curiosity of like, well, okay,
I'm stuck here anyways, I'm gonna I can't get out
of this situation. I'm like with six you know, Like
how weird is it that you are even aware and
able to have that discussion with yourself when you're six.
I don't, you know, I don't know how that works,
but that's always been part of my reality, understanding what's

(13:01):
going on, even if I have to go through it,
and the emotional part of me has to go through
what they're going to go through. But something I want
to say about what you just said, it's so important.
This is a reality of most of us that have have,
you know, EmPATH empathetic qualities and things like that. In
a nutshell, it's like we think we need to love

(13:24):
our abusers or else or else or else what or
else we're a bitch, or else we're an abuser, or
too or else we're you know, whatever comes after these
three dots. And that is such an important thing to understand.
You don't have to love your abusers. Forgiving abusers has
nothing to do with them. The first and the most

(13:44):
important and the only thing that matters is for you
to do your inner work of going to get that
part of you that went through that and allowing that
grief to be processed. Then and only then can there
even be the idea of maybe for giving that other
person but we've grown up in a world where it's
like even two kids fighting, all of a sudden they're

(14:05):
put together, okay, forgive each other now, and they're not
ready for that. They're fucking pissed off at each other.
It's like, you're an asshole, I hate you, you know,
forgive him, like, okay, I forgive you. Know, my God,
if we can see what our inner children look like
in these moments, they look like dragons that want to,
like fire, hunt at the other person and destroy them completely.

(14:30):
So that's not fair, and that's another trauma that we
have been put through. You know. My version of that
was if ever I would speak up about the mental
illness of my family and that it was hurtful. You know,
it's hurtful, like it hurts when someone rams into you
because it's something they're going through. The answer I was
given was always the same, It's just we're sick, you know,

(14:54):
with that face and that tone and that, and then
you're just like, oh, I'm sorry. So then you feel
bad for wanting to have boundaries. You feel bad for
thinking you're allowed to speak up and say, hey, I'm
not okay with that. That hurt, you know, So it's
like that whole loving the abusers and not knowing Oh
my god, Like, that's that's a big chunk to work on.

(15:16):
It's one of the first things I'll ever do with
someone when I'm working with them, We're going to go
find these resentments right away, because underneath that facade of
I forgive my abusers is a pissed off little child.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
That's like what, I'm so glad you mentioned that, because
that is something that society. I mean, even in a
lot of family dynamics, they're just like, well, there's still
your dad, or there's still your mom, or they're still
your uncle or whatever it is like, and that that
doesn't mean anything. Like for me, I've had to do
a lot of work just to even get an out
like this much compassion for the people who've really hurt me,

(15:51):
and I'm that compassion helps me understand where they're coming
from and why they did what they did, and it
makes me kind of like it puts me in this position. Wow,
you know, I'm sorry that they're that they decided to
make these decisions, but it was based off what they
went through and that's how they handled it. So I
mean that part is really helpful. But I'm a big

(16:12):
advocate of boundaries. I'm a big advocate of you don't
need to have this person in your life or forgive them, right,
And like you said, forgiveness for it's for you to release.
It's what it's really for. It's for you to release
what you have been carying that this person doesn't even
it's not even impacting the person that hurt you, you know,
but it's impacting you because you're stuck carrying it. So

(16:33):
I love that you mentioned that because I do feel
like that is something that has to come when you're ready,
if you're ever ready, you know, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
Exactly one thing I want to say, Like, so, there's
there's the ego version of forgiveness, which is like you're
an idiot and you're wounded and you hurt me, but
I forgive you. That's the ego version of forgiveness. We
all know that. When it's like, you know, but I
want to say something that you just said forgiveness. We

(17:02):
could consider for forgiveness to be selfish and the sense
that you're doing it for you refusing to forgive someone
is I love that expression is drinking poison, thinking you're
hurting them, but you're the one drinking it right. So
the thing and when you forgive, when when true forgiveness happens,
true release from your field of whatever you're carrying from them,

(17:26):
it goes back to them. So don't think that you
truly forgiving someone does not have an impact on them.
And then again you've gotta be careful because then the
ego is like, okay, so if I forgive them, then
they're gonna get all that shit they did to me
back and then they're gonna have to process and work
on it. No, it's so spiritual. Ego is so tricky

(17:49):
and so sneaky, you know. But just understand, when you
truly forgive something, the energy gets sent back. What they
took from you, You get it back and what you
left and what they you know, you complete the energy
that that energy that was in mesh together, you unmesh it,

(18:10):
which means you get yours back and you stop carrying
what you're carrying from them. So that that's a super
important piece. Another way of saying it, if I if
I use like more like spiritual Christian terms, it's not
really my my foretake like I'm not it's not that
I'm i don't believe in Jesus. But it's not that.
But another way of looking at this is what you're

(18:31):
doing is it's like it'd be the equivalent of like
Jesus saying, give them all back to me, give them
to me, so that I will pose the final judgment
on them. And then and then we don't understand what
that means. We think we think he's gonna be like heay,
you're an idiot, You're going to hell. You're okay, you're
going to have it. It's not even that, it's that
everything you have made that it was made out of

(18:53):
non love, you will fully face and see what it
is and either you're going to stay hell about it
with your guilt or you're going to finally release that.
So their their work, the work of abusers and narcissists
and pedophiles and whatever whatever the hell they've gone they've done.
On the other side of here, they have a lot,

(19:14):
they have a huge process to go through because one
of the things that happens also is that once we're
on the other side, we get to feel how are
we get to feel from the perspective of everyone that
was involved, what our actions did. That is enough that
is enough, you know what I mean, we should. We
don't need to wish ill to anyone because it's like

(19:35):
that's whoof So imagine if you give it all back
to them, you give it all back to them, that's
more for them to process.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
That's perspective I haven't heard yet, but I really like
that because that's that's honestly, I just haven't been able
to find the words for it. That's what I believe
because I'm not I'm not Christian either. I feel like
my spiritual belief are just too broad to fit into
any particular belief system. But I do believe that like,
for instance, I don't believe there's I don't believe in hell.

(20:08):
I think our hell is a hell or a heaven
is based on what we do with our life and
how we handle things. We've done, things that you are,
choices we've made. You know all of that. And so
I one hundred percent believe that when an abuser has
to well you know, they have to come to terms
with it, and most of the times they're not willing to.
And so I feel like that's like work, that their

(20:29):
spirit's gonna continue after they pass if they don't ever
face it. Here while they're here, you know. And so
you so like when people are like, oh, someone should
go to hell when they die because of everything they did,
it's like, well, they're going to basically be in their
own hell until they process this unfortunately, Like that's their
own that that's and I feel like, so, there's so
many different things that I gets touched on that are

(20:50):
you familiar with Neil Donald Walsh of course. Yeah. So
there's a children's book that talks about the Little One.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
Yes, yeah, that one.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
I have to sit with it because it's this idea
that you know, on some level, there was a choice
that our souls made to experience what we experienced. So
you know, it's and I'm like, oh my gosh, it
resonates so much. But you have to understand that, you know,
we're all souls that deserve love. We're all souls that deserve,

(21:25):
you know, to be reconnected with ourselves and in our
highest and our highest self right. We all deserve that.
But because of the choices we make, we're going to
have to experience different things. And you're your example. Have
you ever heard of the movie called The Shack? Okay?

Speaker 3 (21:45):
Yeah, I love it?

Speaker 2 (21:46):
Yes, that to me is like it explains perfectly, like
how like when you release your you know, and and
what they need to process and go through and how
they have their own spiritual team and support, you know,
but they have to feel that they went through. They
have to experience it, they have to own it. But
that's not yours to carry. That's their journey, that's what
they have to face. And so when you're releasing it,

(22:09):
I love that because you're you're one, you're sitting down
that weight, right, and that pain and that trauma, but
also you're understanding that on some level, eventually they're going
to have to face it, but that's not for you
to stress or worry about because that's for them, that's
their thing. And so I like the idea of like
that release and helping you understand that, no, you're just

(22:30):
because you're releasing it, it doesn't mean they're off the hook.
It just means you're letting yourself off the hook. Right.

Speaker 3 (22:35):
It reminds me of Lovely Bones too, Remember that movie
Lovely Bones, you know, and like that that little girl
keeps telling her, don't like, let God's going to take
care of this, you know, And God ends up taking
care of that pedophile. He just slips off whatever, like
you know, and then and then you have the karma
having tried to kill him, and you know.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
Yeah, I think, I think, yeah. Lovely Bones also did
it as well. But I feel like if you for
those that have not seen The Shack, like that movie,
it takes it to that flip side. It really challenges
you to think about unforgiveness and think about and what
forgiveness means, and you know how to even consider getting

(23:17):
to a place where you where you know what it
looks like to forgive an abuser. And again, not everyone's
there or even will be there. But that movie was
just such It's so funny because the first time I
saw it, I wasn't on my spiritual journey yet and
it still had such a big impact because I'm a
mom and my daughter at the time. It's about the
age of the little girl in that movie. And then
I rewatched it after I really dived into my spirituality

(23:39):
and it was like, there's so many more takeaways the
second time because I had a bigger understanding of what
they were referring to it.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
For me, it really sums up a movie like that,
sums up the true frequency of ideally what Christianism would be,
you know, like that deep understanding of what that is,
that sacred trinity of you know, the Holy Spirit, like
the Mother energy, the Father energy, and the Son and
like just like that whole trinity understanding, which we have

(24:12):
all three of those in us, you know, like yeah, yeah, no,
it's a beautiful, beautiful movie.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
So I mean, so it sounds like you're not afraid
to go deep into those you know, really murky areas
in life that you know a lot of us don't
want to go to. But if we want to heal
and get to this I we have to be willing
to go there. So with the work that you're doing,
do you feel like you've found your purpose and what
you're meant to be doing here as a human having
you know, a spiritual experience?

Speaker 3 (24:40):
Yes, yes, yes, yeah, absolutely. I if I look at
my whole life, it's if I would use a term,
I would use the term of it was a journey
of evolutionary embodiment, which isn't a term that we hear
a lot, but basically what it means is is my
whole journey has been about I had access to super

(25:04):
high intellect, you know, straight a student professor blah blah.
I had access to super high intuition, you know, like
downloads of information when I was six years old and
being abused, and like, just like the intuition has always
been there, but it wasn't grounded in my body. And
my whole, my whole journey has been about grounding the

(25:27):
intellect and the intuition in the body. And the way
that happens is through processing trauma. You have to process
the trauma out of your body. You have, you have
no choice, or else you're floating up on your head,
you know, or you're like trying to be a heart,
but there's all this like stuff that's unresolved. And so yeah,
my whole if I look at my at my whole life,

(25:48):
it's brought me to that point. But when I was
a university professor, I was my field of work in
sociology was my goal was to understand how change happens,
How does how does the society transition from one way
of being to another? How does the psyche go from
one thing to another? And then it's like the thing

(26:08):
never existed, you know, like it used to passion me
so much. And I ended up finally realizing that my
real passion was about how we do that inside of ourselves,
and you know, studying it in society was just a
fun way to do it. But basically, what I really
wanted to know is how do we fundamentally change, how
do we fundamentally get to a place where we are

(26:29):
whole beings? So, you know, I tried to find it
a bunch of different ways that we're all very disembodied,
you know, like you know, spending forty hours a week
reading books or whatever, to then slowly progressively be brought
more and more towards the no. No, you have all this,
but it's if it's not grounded in your body, you're
not going to be able to ground it into the field,

(26:52):
into the earth. So then all of a sudden, the
alchemist came, and then this other trauma therapist came, and
then two and a half year apprenticeship in av ayahuasca came,
and like all these moments came that brought me deeper
and deeper into the body, and deeper and deeper into
the willingness to feel the deep existential terror, because like,

(27:15):
it's it, that's it, that's what's underneath all our poopy,
It's deep existential terror that we could be ripped to shreds,
that whatever shame, whatever self hate, whatever is going on
deep in there that we can't even tap into that
if we even dip for one second our finger in there, poof,
we will just be annihilated. So then it was just

(27:39):
like a progressive Of course, of course, plant medicine was
very really helped. I wouldn't do it anymore because once
you have reclaimed your body, then it's what I would
like to teach people is how to do it without
without needing to do these things, And it is possible.
You just have to be willing to go into it

(28:02):
and feel it and have a loving container that allows
you to feel completely safe while you're doing it. And
that's why generally, speaking of my mentorship is minimum six months,
and some people have been with me for five years
and they have no intention of stopping, because if we
just keep going deeper and deeper, you know, and they

(28:22):
feel safer and safer. We feel safer and safer as
we shed one layer and shed another and shed another,
and then we're getting closer and closer to that big
ball of whatever that is on the bottom that we
think is going to engulf us. Meanwhile, it's your essence
and it will engulf you in a very good way. Though,
But in order to get to that, you know, is

(28:44):
the process of going through all these these layers of pain.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
Oh my gosh, I love that though, Like, you know,
just talking about how we're basically scared of our our lives,
yeah right right, yeah, of what of our power, of
what we're actually meant to be doing here? And I
think there's so many reasons why, between trauma and also
society telling us, you know, oh no, don't take up space,
like don't be seen because that's scary, and you know,

(29:12):
or if it's not scary, it's conceited or you know,
but that's not true. I Mean, the more I've learned
is like, the more you can be authentic to yourself
and be in your essence, you're it's not it's not
the same thing as being conceded because you're just in
your light. You're just and from there you're able to
project your light onto other people who have the option

(29:33):
to go, oh wait, they can do that. Maybe I
can do that too, you know, but you have to
get to that place first.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
These are these are there's a really good example of
having the discernment of the voices of authority that have
been internalized. Right, like we were at the point where
we're kind of like, yeah, there's there's some big core
wounds going on with the divine feminine masculine energy, and
like the the the fear of taking up too much room,
that's definitely a divine feminine wound, as the wound the

(30:00):
divine feminine carries I am too much, I take up
too much space, I want too much. But the reality
is that feminine energy is expansive, and what masculine energy
needs is for it is to create containers that allow
all that energy to flood in, and when it starts overpouring,

(30:21):
it means, hey, male energy, we need to destroy that
structure you made and actually create a better one. But
then the wound of the masculine energy is the fear
of being destroyed and annihilated. So every time the structure
he's built has become dysfunctional, for him, it feels like
he will be annihilated and he is powerless, and so

(30:43):
he does everything he can to constrict the feminine energy
to stay in the container they made for it, which
is very eye opening to realize that right. So it's
like and we have both energies in us, right, So
we have there's parts of us that are afraid of
being annihilated and of being made powerless, and there are

(31:04):
parts of us that are afraid of being squashed because
we're too much, because we're being too much. But these
are voices in your head, you know what I mean,
like from your parents or from your family. And this
is another key thing is understanding. Almost anything anyone has
ever told you is about their own defense structures and

(31:27):
what they don't allow themselves to be. This is so
important to understand because people have a self image and
whenever you show up in your pureeness, it is a
threat to their self image and whether or not you

(31:49):
there your mom or a freaking stranger, people that have
not done spiritual work when their self image is threatened
will lash out, hurt people, hurt people. Right, Like, we
can understand that without meaning, Oh, I have so much
compassion for this person, and I forgive them. It doesn't

(32:10):
whoa These do not have to go it's not I understand,
therefore I have to forgive them. An explanation is not
an excuse, right, So by understanding, we can be like, Okay,
that's where this person's at. Their egos affected by my
presence because I'm not playing their freaking game, and their
defense structure will attack me because it's trying to protect

(32:31):
their crappy little self image. I'm sorry to put it
like that, but that's what it is, right. It's kind
of like I'm a great mother. I'm a great mother.
So then if your child's like, mom, I really need this,
it's like, how dare you? You know? Because the image, right,
the egoic image just got and so much of our

(32:52):
trauma from childhood is that.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
Yeah, that makes me think a lot of how I
read the Hararifont card and the way that I read
that is it's it's about discernment. It's about peeling back
programming and conditioning that was given to us by, like
you said, society, family, you know, everyone out there, and
basically learning how to discern what's yours that you want
to keep carrying and what you don't. And I always

(33:17):
tell people whenever the hair fone comes up, I'm always
so excited for them because I know that they're either
about to embark on a journey of self, you know,
governing right, or they're in the midst of it. And
usually I always talk with that backlash that there's gonna
be people who are going to see you changing and
seeing you letting go of these beliefs and values and
they're not gonna like it because they gave it to

(33:39):
you for a reason in their mind. And you know,
but it's yeah, and I love to you know, you
can have that compassion and still have a boundary and
still be like, you know what, while this behavior is happening,
you don't have space in my life, And that's okay too.
You can you can have that protective measure. And so
the thing that I've noticed too is I feel like

(34:00):
once you decide to you know, how you want to
be treated, how you want people to show up in
your life, and you've done this work, it's a lot
easier to not only set boundaries for those that don't
understand and can't understand and like you said, we'll attack
you just for doing you right, being yourself. But then
there's also that part where you're going to attract people

(34:22):
who are going to see you, who are going to
want to help support you, and like, so you'll naturally
attract your tribe. And yeah, you might have to boundary
up to people who have been in your life for
your whole life. But if they're not adding to your
life in a positive way and trying to break you
down for being yourself, there needs to be that protective

(34:42):
measure too, And so I love that you mentioned that
because it's important.

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Speaker 3 (35:41):
Yeah, I had a mentor that used to say you don't, Julie.
You can have compassion for the tiger. It doesn't mean
you let it eat you. And then another friend was like, yeah,
and it doesn't mean you let it live in your
house either, and I was like, wooh, woot it.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
Yeah, that is a really great way to put it.
I mean, thankfully I have done a lot of that
boundary work, so those that are in my circle, you know,
they earned their their spot there, so to speak. But
it's yeah, I know it was hard. I mean I've
lived in houses of people who you know, I had
to basically escape from and go, oh, this is not good.
This is and and then I realized once I was

(36:21):
able to set that boundary with them, then I was
able to heal. Then I had the space to actually
figure out, well, what do I believe and who am I?
And you know, and it's funny when I look back,
I know for a fact, I wouldn't be where I'm
at if I didn't close that door. It would not
have happened, because they would have been constantly you know,
shutting my shutting me down, and I would have questioned

(36:43):
the second guest myself, and I probably would have just
not even bothered with the healing journey. But now I
have this sense of like I have a better understand
I mean, I have a long way to go with
my own healing, for sure, but I definitely have a
better understanding of Okay, who comes in my life who doesn't? Oh,
this is behavior that I've seen before. I don't want
to see you on repeat. Okay, now I'm going to

(37:04):
close the door. Like learning how to discern, I think
it's one of the first steps to really creating that
piece that we all deserve, a need and all of that,
of course, of course.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
And then like another part of the discernment is really
taking the time to notice, like, Okay, so I took
people out of my life because X thing was going on,
and then has there been a reproduction of that with
someone else, because like, you know, the reality is, however
we were loved as children becomes Okay, that's that's normal,

(37:38):
you know. So like for me, without doing a lot
of man, I have been working on myself for thirty years,
you know, and I still I still tend to attract
a certain kind of person in my life that constantly
lets me see where I'm at with my healing of

(37:58):
that dynamic, right so yeah, yeah, there's there's are so
many pieces in there, you know, like the codependent, narcissistic,
like the cluster b and the code, like all these things,
all these the victim bully dynamics, the the interrogator and
the aloof like all these dynamics that they fit together right,

(38:19):
and the way the way it stops fitting together is
through us doing our healing and and you know there's
even something you said, like I like doing that with
my students. Sometimes it's like make peace with the fact
that ninety nine percent of what you're thinking isn't yours
and it's probably bullshit. That's a hard one to work, Yeah,

(38:44):
you know. So then you're like, so, then what is
because like it's most of what we think we are,
all the stories we're carrying. It's like it's so much
blah blah. And when you really want to like tap
into the core truth of yourself, when you really enter
into the heart of your soul and your soul talks
to you, it's like three words maybe you know what

(39:06):
I mean. I guess not, Like it's not thousands of
years of civilizations and beliefs in this and there's none
of that shit going on in there, yes, and that
could be super scary, and that could be like really,
you know, it could be like really, or it could
be like really, it's the same thing, and that this

(39:29):
is another beautiful thing to understand, Like there's these emotional spectrums.
Excitement and anxiety are the same emotion, Okay, they're just
not the same place on the spectrum, the spectrum of
fear and love, right, So fear on this side and
truth on the other one. And it's like based on

(39:49):
where you're at there that emotion of like it's either
going to be like whoa or you know, but it's just.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
Oh my gosh. I just told my daughter this morning
because she has a challenge show today, and so I
was like, how do you feel about it? She said,
I'm nervous or I'm scared or you know, And I see,
did you know that being scared and excited is the
same butterfly feeling. You just get to decide which butterflies
are in your tummy, you know. And so I don't
know how much she took from that because she's only nine,

(40:19):
but you know, I was trying to tell her, like,
when you feel scared, you can also turn it into excitement.
You know when it's something what is it When it
scares you and it excites you at the same time,
is probably.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
For you, yeah yeah, because like maybe at nine is
too young to talk about that, but like basically, anything
that scares us, anything that's as adults that scares us
is because it's out of our comfort zone and all
the magic happens outside of it. So it's like, you know,
like I remember, I remember doing that once. That was
a theme an entire month of my mentorship program was

(40:52):
just understanding the difference between your contraction zone and your
expansion zone and just toggling literally like coming back into
your contraction your comfort zone and just like you know,
it's kind of like and then going into the expansion
zone and then feeling the fear while you're going into it,
and then it's kind of like, oh wow, there's a
lot more room here, and then it's like okay, now

(41:14):
let's go back in the contraction zone. And then everyone's
like no, no, it an't ought to, but it's like, yeah,
we do, we do want to go back because we
want your discernment to get so fine tuned that you
know right away when you're going back and the comfort
of the contraction zone. Yeah, but you know, I had
like a nine year old, Like, I wouldn't put nine
year old through that. But but for us as adults,

(41:36):
because the parts of us that feel afraid are children, Yeah,
as adults, you're like, you know, fear, real fear is
in the moment. It's spleen generated. It's like, Eh, there's
a tiger right there. Ah, I'm just gonna burn my
hand up. I put it on the oven or whatever like,
and then it's over. You look in the animal kingdom,
that's what it looks like, right, they're afraid of something.

(41:59):
They run, they don't eaten by the lion. They shake
it off, it's over. They go back to eating the
grass and the lions over there. They're not freaking out.
They're not like they're not having an anxiety attack about
the lion being over there. But us, m we loop
and loop and loop that stuff in our heads. Like
it's like it's our mind that makes the fear linger
so much longer. And then the fear lingers and then

(42:21):
then we need to have more thoughts about it, and
we need to understand why are we having it and
where does it come from? And then oh, it's because
of this, and it's because of that. So now we've
got all these reasons why we have the fear. None
of that is helping to release it. It's all making
it more and more contracted. Well, I was abused, and
I was this, and I was that, and then and
then my past lives and my car mind, my this,
and now you're just all stuck on this contraction zone

(42:43):
instead of like and you can just decide to like
transmute all that shit if you're willing to go feel
it way below the lang way below the language level,
you know what I mean, Like, way below linguistic levels
of being. It's the pure raw feeling. You go and
hang out with that. You don't try to talk with it,
give us stories. You just hang out with it and

(43:06):
you let it feel. I will be annihilated, I will die,
I will this, I will that, And you're just like,
I know, I got you, girl, I got you. Let's go,
let's do it. It's like bud bute, bude bude. But
and you just don't leave and you don't let the
stories kick in. If you can go through that, that's
how permanent healing happens.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
Kind of reminds me a little bit of e carttole
the power of now because he talks about how our mind,
which is where we spend most of our time listening
to the stories and the perspectives and the you know,
all the reasoning like that's not us, that's our ego
and that's our brain, and its in Our brain is powerful,

(43:48):
it's meant to be a tool. But most time we
just put all of our reasoning there and all of
our energy like, Okay, what's going on up here? But
that's like, it's not that's not who we are. And
so when you can start observing your thoughts as like
a separate thing than yourself, then you have that option
to start figuring out, well, what's the difference between your

(44:11):
thoughts and where's that soul which is you you know,
like feelings, starting to discern the difference so at least
understand there is a difference enough to go back or
not go back, but go inward. Right.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
Yeah, So for like totally was a big part of
my growth, you know, like the first uh, it was
one of the first special teachers that I tapped into
his books and stuff like that. And it's so his
core message is so wonderful you know, because basically one
of the things he explains about emotions that I want
to talk about just quickly is that he explains how

(44:47):
your emotions are your body's reaction to your thoughts. Okay,
that's pretty powerful. So it's kind of like most of
the time when you're having yangy emotions, if you kind
of check in what's going on in my head right now,
you'll probably find the cause of that emotion, you know.

(45:08):
So and then and then there's like the other raw,
raw emotions that are that are from the traumas that
happened to you when you're nine years old, you know,
which are not coded with rational thinking and stuff like that.
Like they're they're way deeper. But most of the emotions
that people are experiencing in their their daily lives are

(45:29):
rehashing of the past or generated by the mind trying
to explain away not understanding what's going on at a
deeper level, which is about these core emotions I was
talking about. So either way, we're stuck in that the
world of ego. And for totally like his his moment
of enlightenment, like for most of us, it's like a

(45:51):
progressive process, for him, it was like a you know,
sometimes we get it like that and then you spend
like two years living on a part bench trying to
write his book basically, like he was completely dysfunctional for
almost two years. But the moment came when he was
about to hang himself. He was unhappy. He you know,
like one of his university professors that he really really

(46:12):
looked up to and for him was like wow, committed
suicide and it was just like, oh my god, like
what like all these things happened. And then he was
at a place where he was about to commit suicide
because he couldn't handle his pain, body and being stuck
in that ego anymore. And it's in that moment when
he was about to do it, that moment for him

(46:33):
came one shot. It was like who is the me
that's having this horrible life? Like who is that? And
in that moment, it's like the essence and the consciousness
and the ego completely separated. And he had that moment
of being able to look from his essence to the
mental construction that was walking around acting like it was him,

(46:57):
and he just saw he saw it and it was over.
It's like that part just got hung like I'm not
saying he's saying that, but that's basically what happened. That
part died because the ego and all this story and
all this blah blah about who you are and what
happened to you and what they did, and it could
only survive if you think it's you.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
Yeah, that's really powerful when you put it that way.
And I do remember he did explain it happened to
him like an instant, everything changed for him, And yeah,
I do remember recalling sitting on a park bench and
just like just basically euphoria trying to understand what the
heck just happened to him.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
And I don't even know. I don't even think he
was trying to understand. That's still too mental, you know,
he was just kind of right, he was just present.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
Well, the whole book is about being present and about
being in the moment without being up here, which is
really hard because her mind does not like to shut up.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
But that reminds me, like what I do with my
with my students is I basically I have like a
three step methodology that I use with them, and I
call it multi dimensional harmonization. I call it like that
because the idea is we want to harmonize the human
side of us, which is the lower three chakras, and
the divine side of us, which is the upper three chakras.

(48:12):
And the way we harmonize them is by coming back
to the heart. The name sounds way more complicated than
it is, but basically, in that process, it's like the
three steps are you align the body mind connection. So
that means instead of like, instead of being stuck in
that chatter and feeling what it is doing in your
body and thinking that that proves that it's true. Instead
of being there, you notice what's going on in your mind,

(48:35):
and then you know, okay, my mind is reacting. My
mind is trying to find a solution to something. So
my mind thinks there's a problem somewhere. What there is
is just an energy that needs us to go and
meet it. So we leave the mind. We go, okay,
my mind is freaking out, thank you, Where is that
in my body? Where is this actually going on in

(48:56):
my body? And that's where we go. As soon as
we start doing that, we start aligning the body of
mine connection because like what the reality is, most of
us are walking around like a big wobble head. You know,
these little wobble things. That's why we look like energetically.

Speaker 4 (49:12):
You got these tiny little bodies and these big heads,
you know, and we're like wobbling around like trying to
make sense of everything, and we're not taking the time
to go in the body and feel where we're holding that.

Speaker 3 (49:22):
So the second you allow that to happen, like oh,
let me okay, where's it my body, it's like, okay,
well my left knee, my my my liver, I got
tightness here. Okay, good, Now we got something to work with.
Let's go hang out with that. If we're gonna talk
with something, we're gonna talk with that. We're gonna talk
with the energy. And then so that's that's like step

(49:45):
number one is getting getting good at that. Like, ah,
my head is blah blah blah. That means I need
to go take care of something in my body right
right there. It's a huge, huge, huge shut down of like, No,
I need to go read said sixteen thousand books about it.
No I need to go do a peachd in psychology. No,
I need to go do this. And now, oh, you
need to feel. And then once we've accepted to go
in and feel our whole system starts trusting us that

(50:09):
we're gonna stop abandoning it all the time by hiding
up in our heads. So that's as soon as we
start doing that, the heart naturally starts to open. It's
the freakiest thing. It just happens naturally because when you
are sitting there listening to what's in your body, compassion
kicks in, the desire to understand what that party is

(50:32):
going through kicks in, and all of that. That's the
heart opening up. That's the heart opening up. We listen
with the heart through the heart, and then you want
to naturally help these parts come back into your heart.
And the more you do that, so that's step two.
So step onederlign the body mind connection. Step two expand
the heart space. And then from there we've got a

(50:53):
much more stable base. We've got two feet on the ground.
We've got a body that hasn't been ignore or left anymore, right,
and then the heart is open and then the soul
can come in. The soul cannot come in when we're
like and then from there the third step is we

(51:16):
awaken the soul dimension more and more so, and we
can do that so easily in our lives any day
in ten minutes.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
I've never heard that explanation of the three lower chokras
being the mind and the three upper chokras being like
the soul, and then the heart being the middle. But
it makes so much sense. It's like the bridge and
you know, yeah, I'm like, oh my gosh, that just
another little mind blown moment. I'm like, that makes so
much sense that that really really resonates. So when someone

(51:48):
has asked me like, oh, where is that in your body?
I have such a hard time understanding how to answer that.
How would you go about tapping into where it is
in your body?

Speaker 3 (51:58):
Okay, So so it's a lot easier to do when
you have like someone working with you, right because like
for like for me, for example, I work with Claire Cognizance,
So I just I get a download and I understand
what's going on on the person. But I have a
lot of Cleare sentience as well, so I feel in
my body what's going on in their body. So the

(52:20):
minute I'm in a session with someone I'm amplifying, it's
like almost like I'm like, this is the volume and
let's jack it up. So the person when they're working
with me, they have a lot less difficulty because like
their ego is not their ego can't I don't explain
this person's ego knows when they're in front of someone

(52:41):
that their shit's not going to fly with Kids are
like that too. You can see that, like a kid
knows that I can get away with getting candy for mommy,
but I can't do that with that it's not going
to work. It's kind of the same idea, right, Like
when you're when you work with someone that has a
powerful field and a strong spiritual bullshit meter, you know,

(53:03):
it's like, not only can they tell what's the blah
blah in your head that's trying to keep you away
from actually going there, but they can feel where it
is in your body. So if someone if I'm working
with someone and they're like, I don't know, I don't know.
I'm like second rib on the left over there under
the kidney, you know, you know, no, And they're like, well,
now that you mention it, yeah, and that because it's

(53:29):
normal there, we have a defense structure that's telling us
I will die if I feel that. Of course, there's
resistance to feeling.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
It, of course, Yeah, And I think that that's part
of the spiritual journeys is going through different eco deaths.
But that's the last thing the ego wants, right The
egos like, no, no, you need me, I need to
be here, but you know, you have to release it
to a point in order to actually get there.

Speaker 3 (53:57):
So yes, and that's a whole that's such an interesting
go into because the reality is that the pain pushes
until the vision pulls right, So you're the pain that
you are in pushes the ego to try to go
get help and answers to relieve the pain. What it
can't understand is that the relief of the pain comes

(54:20):
through the dissolution of it. But by the time the
momentum is strong enough and the ego realizes that it
is it is participating to the process that will undo it,
by that time, generally speaking, it's too late for the
ego to wind you back, you know, and then the

(54:43):
vision polls. Then your soul is able to just kind
of like come on, let's go, you know, and then
you kind of like whoa, you know. And it's it's
really important to understand that. It's one of the most
important pieces of grieving that we need to do is
that the part of you that wants the healing isn't
the part that's ever going to receive it. That's a

(55:03):
hard one to swallow because like, the part of you
that wants isn't the part that's going to get it.
The part that wants will die in the process, and
then you get how can I say this, It's like
it's like the caterpillar and the butterfly, right, the caterpillar

(55:27):
is not going to get to know consciously through its
own perspective what it's like to be the butterfly. It's not.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
Yeah, it's kind of like it's also making me think
of matrix, you know, when the right of the blue
pill right, it's like it's it's a completely different thing.
You can't you can't rationalize it in the space you're
in now, and when you get to the other side
that the way you would have rationalized is completely different
and gone.

Speaker 3 (55:53):
Yeah, but there's there's so much freedom. Like it's like
you get to a place where you're like, I don't
not explain it, but like you're kind of like, well,
thank God, rejoice that that's not the part that's going
to get it, because it would it would like hold
on to it. It's like you imagine like I heard
it her child, that's like I just need candy. I
need candy, and then like you give it candy. You

(56:15):
think it's going to stop wanting candy after that. No,
it's not going to stop wanting candy. That energy is
I want candy, right, it's not going to heal out
of being that.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
It's just like what you said, now, I remember what
I was in comment on. It's the I'm going to
go and read all the books, read all the books,
getting more and more information, when eventually you have to
take action and do something with that information. It's the
same thing. It's like the ego would rather just keep
reading all the books, and the soul's like, okay, what
are you going to do with that information because the
reading isn't going to actually do the changing and the

(56:48):
metamorphis in you right, like you have to actually now
do what you're learning about.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
Yeah. Yeah, and that's that's a huge piece of like
even but it's still important to have cognitive understanding, right,
So it's kind of understanding that there's there's a place
for all that. You know, your ability to understand what's
going on really helps you go through it. It's not
it doesn't make you go through it, but it helps you.
You know, you're kind of like, oh, I feel like

(57:14):
I'm dying. Okay, I'm having an ego death. Okay, this
is a good son. It means I'm spiritually evolving.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
You know.

Speaker 3 (57:19):
If you need to know that and just be like dying,
you know, it'd be freaking out, you know. So, so
that understanding is a huge piece to allow us to
feel safe when we go through the process. But then
we need to do the work right then we need
to do the whatever it is, the grief work, the feeling,
the energetic expansion, the energy healing, whatever it is we're doing,

(57:40):
you got that needs to So it's like we give
the mind a bone to chew on. That's the way
I talk about it in my program. I'm like, for
half an hour, I'm going to give you all these funky,
amazing theories. I'm going to explain to you a bunch
of stuff about how healing happens. And then your your
brain's like, wow, that was awesome, Okay, enough information now,
and then it's not to interfere. And then I go

(58:02):
in a one hour long process guided meditation, activation, tapping
into things, heealing some stuff, and then we kind of
talk it out a little bit after, you know. So
it's like the perfect setup, right, It's like, let's let's
give your ego some stuff so that it leaves us
alone because then it's tired. I've given it too much information,
and it's like, okay, stop, it gets out of the way,

(58:23):
and then we get to work with the body and
the emotional body and the consciousness and the soul. And
then at the end it's kind of like, Okay, we
integrate a little bit, allowing the ego to come back
in and share how it feels about what just happened.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
Yeah, but I can definitely see how that would how
that kind of builds upon each other. And yeah, so yeah,
I'm just looking at the time, we do need to
start winding down. As much as I love talking to you,
and I'm just giving so much wisdom from this conversation,
So I'd like just to go to what I like
to call synchronous city story time. And so this is

(58:56):
kind of like, I mean, I feel like a lot
of our conversation in general has kind of been a
giant synchronicity. But do you have any stories where things
just happened or lined up, or you can't positive paranormal
story anything like that. You could share.

Speaker 3 (59:12):
Absolutely too many of them. I should have thought about
this a little bit in advance, because there's too many,
too many ideas coming in at once. One of the
one of the Okay, it's not a very fun example,
but it's it's a good one because it's still about
that whole way that the information works through me is

(59:32):
when I was in South America. I was traveling with
my son. He was four years old, and we backpacked
for six months in South America, KA. And three months
into the trip, I was starting to get exhausted normal,
and I had this moment where I was like, I
need to stop moving. I need to stop moving. I

(59:56):
need a one week break of being full time. I'm
alone with my kid, and I would love to watch
some TV that would be awesome. And I'm just sitting
there and I'm like a bit of a frustration moment, right,
I'm like, I'm exhausted, I'm tired, i need a week
off of this trip, I need a week off of
my kid. I need to just wash IV and lay

(01:00:16):
in a bed or something. And at the same time,
it was like, and when I come back to Canada.
I need to know where the money situation, how we're
going to do this because he needs to start school
and I have no idea what kind of funds we're
going to have to go forward with this. So all
this happens in like this little micro minute of being
in a bus driving to Lake Titikaka, and then we

(01:00:38):
get out of the bus and we're getting out of
the bus just so that the bus can go on
this little boat and cross the lake so that we
can keep going after kind of thing. So there's sixty
people on this frickin' bus. Everyone gets off the bus.
I get off the bus, I fall and I break
my foot and there's no hospital, there's nothing. There's just

(01:01:04):
there's just people picking me up and putting me back
in the bus and put over the water. And then
another hour and a half in the bus before we
get to the little village where there's no hospital or
crutches or anything. But long story short, in that moment,
I was like, this is everything I would want, and
that happens boom, Well, my gut. I spent a week

(01:01:26):
in the hospital. The people I was traveling with took
care of my son. I got to watch TV. I
spent my birthday evening in there doing tarot cards and
trying to figure out do I go back to Canada,
what should I do? What should I do? It's like, oh, man,
I wish I could just like just just let go
and just almost like just like smoke a joint or
something and let go or whatever. And I started crying,

(01:01:48):
and the nurses came in and they thought I wasn't
paint from the operation, and they just they just put
some fricking morphine in my thing, and next thing, you know,
next thing, you know, it's my birthday and I'm like
alone in a room watching TV, relaxing a little break
from my son. I'm like, Okay, holy shit, I I

(01:02:10):
think I kind of asked for this, you know, like,
and I'm really enjoying this. I'm not like sad about
this at all. And on top of that, because I'm
Canadian and that happened when I was coming out of
a bus, I ended up getting three years of funding
while my foot was healing, which allowed me to put
my son through school, which allowed me to get a

(01:02:32):
house when we got back to Canada. It's like everything
everything in that little second set up four years of
my life, of everything I was asking for. I want
I want to use that as an example because often
we're like, oh, that's so horrible, and it's like, oh man,
that was a gift disguised as a disaster.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
Oh my gosh, I gave me chilse, because yeah, it was. Well,
first of all, you know, asking you shall receive. It's
kind of a perfect example of it. But you didn't
get it obviously how you wanted it when you asked
for it, right, And I feel like that happens a lot.
I mean, even with the guests I have on there's
usually some catalyst that completely changes their life, and in
the moment it feels like chaos and it feels like

(01:03:16):
everything's crumbling, and then on the other side of it,
they're like, well, actually this is way better and this
is really what I've been looking for, searching for. But
you didn't know they didn't know it. And there's usually
like this period of like resisting it first, and then
it sounds like for you, you kind of you had
an easier time leaning into it versus resisting, and I

(01:03:39):
think that that kind of helped probably imagine is.

Speaker 3 (01:03:42):
At that point I was just like I was already
a good ten years into the alchemy work and all that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
So I was like, Okay, and I know it's a
cosmic joke.

Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
At this point, I know it's a cosmic joke, you know,
Like I know this is a gift disguise as a disaster,
and I'm not going to freak out about it, because
because even then I could just freaked out and went
back to Canada in the middle of the winter with
a broken foot. What would be the use in doing that.
I was like, I'm not ending my three month trip.
No way, there's three months left to this trip. We're
gonna do it. I don't know how, but we're gonna
do it. And we ended up having a completely different trip.

(01:04:14):
We went to live with a family in Peru. My
son went to kindergarten in Spanish. He walked out of there.
He were like a Spanish kid, talking super fast.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:04:25):
I got to make some really good friends. I became
part of a I got brought into a family so
much that the grandmother would come up in the morning
and tell me everything I was doing wrong. At that point,
they had a party for me because they were like,
you are now part of the family. The grandmother comes
up to see you. So all these incredible memories, you know,
and my son would have never had a chance to

(01:04:47):
go to a kindergarten. He would have never had a
chance to build a friendship that deep with Franco, you know,
if that hadn't happened. And honestly, even if God would
have been like, hey, you got to stop moving now
and take a break. Let these people you just met
take care of your kid for a week, I would
have never done that, you know what I mean. Like,
so life's kind of like, okay, okay, these are the barriers. Okay,

(01:05:10):
so let's pinch there. You go, took care of that
for you.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
Yeah, I know it's that Yeah, And they say, like
the spiritual teachers will say, it's the path of least resistance.
And that's kind of a perfect example of just like
like leaning into what's happening, like Okay, I'm not going
to fight it. This is what's happening. You see what's
going to come from it, and trusting the process. So yeah, wow,

(01:05:35):
well thank you for sharing that. I think that's a
lot of people can actually relate to that and maybe
even make make them question like if they're going through
a chaos right now, Like question, do I want to
resist it or lean into it because maybe I'm so speak,
you know, leaning into it instead of fighting it, or
I need to go next?

Speaker 3 (01:05:52):
Yes anytime? Yes, anytime. That's the only true solution. You
can resist it and suffer, or you can lean into
it and go feel what's going on in there and
then potentially expand the zone, right because that's the goal
of all suffering, is to make you expand the zone
of what you allow in your life. And it's like, sure,

(01:06:15):
it'd be great if we didn't have to suffer. But
we're very we're very techtical, we're pig headed, you know,
like we are stubborn. You know, we're very stubborn. Egos
are stubborn. So it's like, what do you need. Even
in physics they talk about that, you know, like the
second law of physics whatever university stuff. I don't really remember.
You cannot change the direction of something unless something hits

(01:06:38):
it at A at A that's coming faster or else
it'll just pay it'll just you know, that's like, hey,
maybe you should do this, and it just it changes nothing,
you know. But if you're like this and I'm a plue. Yeah, okay, okay,
now I'm listening hopefully, hopefully the person's.

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
I've heard a lot of guests called that the spiritual
two by four that comes flying out of nowhere.

Speaker 3 (01:07:07):
It's a good name, I think. I think it's like
it's full of love. It's still full of love.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
You know, right, oh always, yeah, it's it's that that.
And it's so hard to remember this in the actual
moment when you're doing when you're going through it, but
that it's remembered that everything's happening for you, not to you.

Speaker 3 (01:07:25):
Yes and yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
I try to remember that often. I'm not always the
greatest that in the moment, but then eventually it catches
up with me where I'm like, oh wait, hold on,
why is this happening. There's a reason this is happening
for me, not to me. I'm not a victim in this.
This is a gift in the universe. I don't know
why my alternator going out as a gift from the universe,
but apparently it's a gift from the universe, and I
need to, you know, lean into it instead of resistance.

(01:07:50):
So like just as an example, you know what I mean.
So it's like it's Yeah. I love that example so much.

Speaker 3 (01:07:57):
Another really good another really good sentence for that is
what's in the way is the way?

Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
Oh yeah, it's a good one too.

Speaker 3 (01:08:06):
Yeah. It's like, if only con get that out of
the way, then I could go there. It's like, no, no, no,
you don't understand that is the way?

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
Right? Oh, let's give me chills. I love that too. Okay,
So I'm really really enjoyed talking to you all the
wisdom you keep freeing up and everything. But yeah, we've
gone over the hour now, so we have to start
winding it back. How can our listeners find you if
they want to work with you and follow you.

Speaker 3 (01:08:33):
And all of that. So I don't do a lot
of social media, so it's kind of hard to follow me.
But I have a YouTube channel and what I do
on that, and I don't post a lot on it
right now because i'm transitioning. I've ended, I've finished a
five year spiritual mentorship program and I'm slowly birthing the
next one, which will be called How Healing Happens, and

(01:08:56):
it's going to be with like hands on healing examples
going in with the group. But until then, what I
have on my YouTube channel is. I have the cognitive
part of each of my mentorship calls for free on
my channel, so to understand about healing, like everything we
talked about today. It's the kind of thing is that
you'll find on my YouTube channel and it's called Julie

(01:09:17):
Clare Joyful Soul Expansion, Easy Busy. My website is Joyful
sool Expansion dot com. And these are the two main
ways to reach me. And my passion really is bringing
people into their spiritual awakening in a way that they
understand what's going on as best as possible and also

(01:09:38):
understand that we need to go actually feel to do
the work. So some people they come on for five
packs of a session of five packs. I know people
come on for an entire year at a time. So
and we have a lot of fun, but it's very
it's very small groups. I keep it very small.

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
Perfect well. I will be sure to put all that
in the show notes. They can find you if they
want to work with you, and thank you again for
joining me today. I'm going to really enjoy editing this.

Speaker 3 (01:10:07):
I already know it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
I'm want to be like taking like taking notes as
I do it too.

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
Well, Yeah, if you start watching the YouTube videos. You
might be you might start taking a lot of notes too,
because it's that's what it is, right. It's like my
big academic brain fifteen years of high academics and PhD stuff,
so I know how to break things down into much
easier to understand pieces, and then from there we actually
have fun doing the work. So of course, all the

(01:10:35):
meditations and the activations from the mentorship program are also
available on my website as online courses, which are you know,
way cheaper than working with me one on one.

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
So okay, well, thank you again for joining me today.
This has been wonderful.

Speaker 3 (01:10:53):
You're super welcome.

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