Shift your Perspective with Lamisha Serf-walls

This week on the podcast, I’m joined by Lamisha Serf, a mindset coach who shares how a series of synchronistic moments led her into the work she is doing now.. We dive into the power of perspective and how shifting your mindset can open doors to big life changes. Lamisha walks us through key questions to ask yourself when you're feeling stuck — practical mindset tools that can help you reframe your thinking, get unstuck, and move toward your goals with more clarity and confidence.
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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Spirit Journey Collective. I'm your host, Sarah Tai.
Get ready for compelling conversations with guests of all walks
of life who believe they have found their purpose. Together,
we will uncover unique backstories, hearing the raw experiences that
led them to the work they're doing today. Let's expand
our minds together with the captivating stories and inspiration that awaits.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Thank you so much for joining me for another episode
of Spirit Journey Collective. I have a really great guest today.
Her name is la Misha Surfwalls, and she's a mindset coach.
So we're going to dive into how our mindset effects
I'm assuming our life and how we show up and
I can't wait to learn more.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
Thank you so much for.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Being here today.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
Thank you for having me. I'm so excited to be here.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Yeah, I'm excited to have you. So why don't you
share a little bit to our audience what it means
to be a mindset coach and what you focus on
what you offer.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
Yeah. So I am a mindset coach for men and women,
mostly women, to be honest, who are really looking for
a bigger life or they have some business idea, creative
idea they want more, and they feel like they're not
really sure what's kind of holding them back. So as
a mindset coach, I'm really helping them kind of dive

(01:12):
into what are the beliefs or the thoughts that might
be stopping them from taking the big leap or making
more money, or calling in the love that they want,
whatever that might be for them. And what's always interesting
is it's generally not what they think it is. So
there's some like layers to this. So they might think, oh,
I'm afraid of, you know, being visible, but there's some

(01:33):
other specific beliefs that are underlying that that they might
not be able to see. I call it the blind spot,
and so I help them uncover that, transform their beliefs,
and then find the best way forward that feels natural
for them.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
That's first of all, it's really amazing work that you're doing,
because beliefs are are construct right, it's how we operate.
And when we don't question those belief or we don't
go back and try and change them or uplift them,
we get stuck in this like cycle, right. And so
the couple of things I want to touch on, I
know you mentioned you mainly work with women. But I

(02:08):
just love also the fact that you work with men too,
because I kind of feel like in this movement, a
lot of the men are getting kind of the short
end of the stick, and I think if we want
them to, you know, shift with us, they need just
as much support as we do.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
Yeah. Yeah, I have worked with men in the past.
I'm always open to it. I always get the question, hey,
I know you mostly work with women, would you consider
working with the man? And I was like, I'm open
to it if they're open to it. So I have
worked with men from kind of all over the world,
different walks of life. But I agree that there's a
shift that's happening in the collective and we all have

(02:44):
to kind of be on board with that. And we
can't just say that the masculine way is wrong and
bad and you know, judge all of that. That's also
a belief system that we have to change. So being
open to working with everyone is really really key.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
Because you know, there's the art core feminist side, right,
and then there's a patriarchy that we've all been conditioned into,
and it's like, well, no, there's the balance, you know,
it's the I've seen It's funny because there was a
point in time where I was a lot more into
the strong warrior woman type, you know, archetype, and it's
really softened since I've you know, kind of stepped more
into my spirituality and healing and I'm realizing like there's

(03:21):
there is a different way where we all we all
have that innfeminine and innermask, and then how can we
find that balance, you know, and operate from that balance.
So yeah, so I just want to comment on that
that I love that you're open to that because I
do think that that men definitely need more of that
support than they're getting, especially because they have tons of
patriarchy things to do, right, So there's a lot there.

(03:44):
And then you know, and then just coming back to beliefs,
I mean beliefs. I forgot who says it, but there's
a quote that says, whether you believe you can or
you can't, you're right, and it's true. Our beliefs is
literally how we view our life.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
Yeap, exactly. It's how we create it, it's how we
move through life. And yeah, it's whatever you believe to
be true is the truth for you. And that is
like the number one foundational piece of mindset for sure.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
Yeah, so yeah, I love the work that you're doing
and helping people break free from the beliefs that were
given to them that weren't necessarily once they chose right
and letting them decide what their beliefs, the beliefs that
resonate with them are. And so I would love to
hear what's your story into this work? And this is
one of my favorite parts because I just love the backstories.

(04:32):
I love what you know? What led you here? Is
this something that you've always wanted to do or is
it something that found you?

Speaker 3 (04:39):
It's interesting it found me and it found me multiple times.
So I started my undergraduate degree studying kinesiology. I was
a dancer dance minor in college and studied kinesiology and
was just like, what am I going to do? And
one of the classes I had to take one summer
was a personal training course and we got this booklet,

(05:03):
you know, the coursework, and there was one article in
that massive booklet. And this was in the two thousands,
so I'm dating myself, but one article that was talking
about personal life coaching, just one and I was like, oh,
there was some ping in me that was like that
sounds really cool, but at the time, there was really nothing,

(05:23):
no information out there about it. I was already almost
done with my degree, so I'm like, we'll finish my degree.
A couple of years later, this idea comes up again
and I hear about it. I see someone online doing
creative coaching, and I was like, Oh, that sounds really cool.
But again, there's not really like a pathway. I was,
I think, working in finance at that point, and I'm like,

(05:44):
there's not nothing for me to kind of like bite
into or pick up for this. So I tossed the
idea to the side, and then a couple of years
later it found me again. I got a new job
I wanted to work from home, got hired into work.
The way that the job came about was pretty synchronistic.
But I get this job. They take you to this
training that's literally all essentially life coaching for employees, and

(06:09):
I was like, I love this. I need to do
this work, like I could be a trainer, because that's
just kind of what I wanted to do. I had
also gone to school and gotten my master's in psychology
and didn't really want to go down the route of
counseling and therapy like traditional therapy. I fell in love
with positive psychology, which was much more aligned with life coaching.
So when I went to this conference, I was like, Okay,

(06:31):
this is what I want to do. It's like the
third time in eleven years that this thing has found me,
and I was like, I got to figure out how
to do it. It took a couple more years for
me to actually dive in, but I decided at that
point that this is what I was meant to do.
I meant to help people. I've always been sort of
the inspiring one, the friend that you know people go to,
and so that's when I decided, Okay, I'm going to

(06:54):
try this. I'm going to try this whole life coaching thing.
And I've been doing it for almost thirteen years.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
It's interesting because it sounds like your belief system is
what kept you from saying gesture for so long, So
now when you work with people who have these beliefs,
you're like, no, but I get it. I was there.
I didn't think I could do this. Yeah you know,
so you're you like, are coming from place, and I
totally get it.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
Yeah, one hundred percent. That's how I coach. I'm an
open book. When it comes to all of that, I'm like, listen,
I completely understand, and I give examples from my own life.
For sure. I had this moment the whole thing, like
as it kept showing up, it was like, I'm the
kind of person I grew up with, Like you you know,
graduate high school, you go to college, you get a job,

(07:40):
you make the money, you do the thing right, Like
that's life. I didn't. I never had the passion to
be an entrepreneur. It wasn't like I'm going to go
start a business. I'd never had that thought. That wasn't
even a desire in my brain. So when I found
out about coaching and I saw these people like they're
having their own business, like they're running things, I'm like,
I don't know anything about that. I can't do that.

(08:02):
And that's where all of my beliefs were, like do
I know enough? Do do I have to go to
school for this? How do I do this? What? You know?
What does that even look like? There were so many
beliefs that were wrapped up, and you're right, it's what
took me so long to finally say yes. And the
universe was like beating me over the head, like Hello, Hello,
it's here again.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
Yes, the universe, the universe will do that for sure.
I had similar thing with my with my spiritual journey.
So I'm I'm a terror reader and I'm intuitive reader,
but Taro is my tool. And but at first I
had to first become a terror reader, right, Like that
was me owning it. But when I was like starting
to ask the big questions, like what's my purpose? I've
been reading Taro for years. It was just something I

(08:45):
always had around, you know, but I never took it,
you know, I didn't really take it very seriously. And
it was like that was the thing that kept coming
to me, and that was the thing I was like, no, no,
no one can, no one will take me seriously. I'm
not doing it. And then it just and it's funny
because it's like the way they get your attention is
like it's bigger and bigger each time to where you're

(09:05):
finally like okay, fine, fine, I will try it, and
then and that's out love with it.

Speaker 3 (09:11):
It's funny how that works.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
Yeah. Well, it's just proof that you know, we're we
you know, we have these belief systems that were given,
you know, but by other humans, right and other in society,
constructs and everything else. But it's like proof that there's
something bigger than that, which is also proof that we
are allowed to change our beliefs. Right.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
Yeah. I try to remind people and it kind of
blows their minds when I say this is that you
get to actually choose what you believe to be true.
And they're like, that doesn't compute, no, because this is
true and this is true. And I said, well, but
you get to decide because whatever you believe, you're always
going to find the evidence for that belief, right, which

(09:51):
reinforces the belief. So that's where we get stuck in
those cycles. And I said, but what if we could
change that? What do you want to believe? It's one
of my favorite questions, what do you want to believe in?

Speaker 2 (09:59):
It?

Speaker 3 (10:00):
You see their eyes get big and like their brain
kind of explodes and like, I don't even know how
to answer that question. I'm like, well, that's what we're
going to do together. Let's talk about that, so we
can find the evidence in your life that you want.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
Oh my gosh. So that coincides perfectly with how I
read the Harafont card in Taro.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
Oh really, the Hararafont card.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
The way that I read it is it's all about
kind of coming back home to yourself and peeling back
for programming, like actually looking at what we were given
as programming and deciding is this for me? Is this
not for me? Do these values align with me? Or
do these values? Am I just caring it? Because it's
full too, And so it's asking the big questions, often

(10:41):
dealing with pushback because there are people in our life
that are like, what are you doing? We gave that
to you for a reason, why are you putting it down?
You know, and then really learning how to self govern
and self have that self sovereignty and you know, look
more inward than outward, and as far as like what
aligns with my values and what I stand for my
beliefs and so and so, whenever that card comes up,

(11:03):
I'm like, okay, we got some things to talk about
because you're about to embark on a big journey or
you're in the midst.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
Of it, right, Yeah, definitely, that makes so much sense.
It's again, a lot of this is, you know, you
said it perfectly, coming back home to you and like,
I see, part of my work is kind of intuitive.
So I call it. I go where we need to go.
So we'll talk about like the beliefs and things. But
then I get imagery and I get what I call impressions.

(11:31):
So I don't like see pictures, but I get this
impression in these examples and all the things. So as
you were talking about that, when I'm working with clients,
I see this like little piece of like wisdom that
we're all born with, like deep within, and I'm like,
that's where we're going. So I'm helping you just find
your way back to you. I'm not telling you to
believe what I believe. I'm not telling you to use

(11:51):
my processes. I'm not telling you to do anything special.
It's not prescriptive. It's the goal is to lead you
back to you, your truth, your way, your process, how
you get to move about in this world, your beliefs,
and what works for you. And it's I get chills
just thinking about it. It's so powerful.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
Yeah, that's that is one hundred percent the definition of
empowerment because you're you're putting them back in the driver's
seat in a life that they've never had that option. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
Yeah, it can be really scary for a lot of people.
They're like, I don't know if I can trust that,
Like this other thing might not have worked as well
for me, or you know, I haven't loved it, but
at least I had like a map or a way
of being. Now you're telling me I get to choose anything,
choose your own adventure. It's a little scary, but I
think doing this work and having someone in whatever, you know,

(12:43):
whether it's a mentor or a coach or someone helping
you through that can be helpful.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
Yeah. Well, because you're you're giving them a safe space
to explore and to be curious.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
And one thing I wanted to mention is you know
when to touch on in your story? You did mention
how you know? I'm assuming you're a I'm going to
guess that, yeah, staying here. So it's funny because when
you think about the structure the Boomers they had, they
had a pretty good structure. Like it was said, you
knew what you did. You know. Gen xers did pretty

(13:14):
good about following the structure. I mean, some of them
kind of brunch out, but mostly they just tried to
reenact what the Boomers did. By the time US millennials
got there, things were breaking down there was no real
structure anymore. And so I feel like that's why a
lot of us tried to do the thing, because that's
what we were taught, and that's what our generations before
us did, and they were successful. And then we started realizing.

(13:37):
I think it's a combination of you know what, one like,
if we're going to be working and slaving away, we
might as well love what we do. Yes, you know,
there's that, But I think also I think we just
realized that the systems before just weren't. They weren't fulfilling.
They weren't there wasn't any true happiness. It was literally
like you're slaving away and then you get to retire
and then then you can enjoy your life. But by

(13:59):
then your age and your health is not great, and
it's like, well, what's the point? Yeah, And I feel
like we're the first generation to really start to question that.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
Yeah. When I graduated with my undergrad I got into
a mutual fund company, Like that was the job. I
was an assistant in finance in this company, and I
remember I was the youngest person in my department, and
I remember looking at all of these people that I
was working with, and the question that I kept coming
back to. Call it intuition, I don't know, but I

(14:29):
kept coming back to like, if you could do anything,
is this it? Like? Is this the thing? And I
started asking all of my counterparts in this department, you
could do anything and money wasn't an issue? Would you be?
Like what would you be doing? And they would always
give me an answer that wasn't what they were doing,
and I couldn't compute in my Like I knew I
wasn't going to stay there forever, but I didn't know

(14:50):
what I was going to do. But I was like,
this can't be life. This is what it is. And
they're like, well, we got bills to pay, I got
kids to take care of them. I'm like, what isn't
there more? Like something so much bigger?

Speaker 2 (15:02):
When I meet people, you know, usually one of the
first things you do is, oh, what do you do
for a living? You know what I mean? Like that,
that's just how it's like part of our identity, right,
And more often than not, one of the questions I'll
ask after they answer me is do you like it?
Do you do you enjoy it? Does it bring you happiness?

(15:23):
And you know, and most of the time it's it's okay,
or you know, I don't mind it, you know what
I mean? And you know, and I understand Bill's depay.
I mean, I have a day job that you know,
is flexible and that I get to make my own hours,
but it's still not what I want to put all
my energy into. But I also have passion projects that
help fill that up, which I think is like, that's

(15:44):
the flip side is if you are in a space
where maybe you can't fully go after the thing, how
can you start to incorporate it a little bit?

Speaker 3 (15:51):
You know what I mean, because.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
That's still opening the door to shifting your beliefs, to
allowing new possibilities in Yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
During that time that I was working at that job,
as I was asking these questions, a couple of really
fun things happened. One woman who I became really good
friends with was a singer. She loved singing. She sang
all the time, was one of her passions, and so
she decided to audition for American Idol at the time,
and it was just this really cool, fun thing for

(16:19):
her to do. Because I had asked that question, and
there were two other women that I worked with, one
said she would be doing social work. She would go
back to school for social work, and she eventually left
the company to do that. And another woman said she
had some special needs son, and she said she would
go back to school and get her degree to be

(16:41):
able to work with kids, like to do therapies, and
she left the company to do that. And what I'm
put piecing together now is I've been doing this work.
I always said that I've been doing like coaching just
in my life, and so the thought that I didn't
think I could do it is so interesting because I
mean I was, I was just not official. I wasn't

(17:02):
getting paid for it. You know, do you feel like.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
You found your skill set and your magic and your
purpose and the work that you're doing now?

Speaker 3 (17:08):
It's interesting you ask that if you would have asked
me that this time last year, one hundred percent, Yes,
coaching is my passion. I do believe that doing some
version of coaching is my passion. Do I think mindset
is the passion At the moment, I'm not sure. I
feel like I'm in a little bit of a pivot.
I've been I've pivoted and had you know, I guess

(17:30):
different changes and transformations over the twelve thirteen years I've
been doing this, so it feels like there's some pivot
that's emerging, and it might be more related to working
with like parents or parents of young children. I have
two kids. I've got a fifteen year old son who's
on the spectrum and a two year old almost three

(17:51):
year old. So life is really busy and interesting around here,
and so there are a lot of my time and
energy right now. Side of work is focused on parenting
and managing life. And I'm a military spouse as well,
and my spouse is getting is retiring from the military,
so we're in like in a state of flux. Something
is changing, and it's kind of always been that with

(18:13):
our lives, so I feel like that is changing. But
I think at the core of my purpose it's always
helping and empowering people. I think it's just who I'm
empowering and the specificity of that might shift a little.
So I do think that coaching in some capacity, coaching, teaching,
mentoring is my purpose.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
Yeah, I'm glad you mentioned that, just because you know,
it's important to know that it evolves, right like, as
we grow our desire and our and our and our
you know, the work you want to do will often
change and grow too, and that's totally fine, and but
I also love how you mentioned that. But there's always
in be a theme, and this theme is empowering whoever

(18:54):
I'm working with and whenever capacity that's going to show up.
As you know, sometimes we think that has to be
you have to be working in the service industry. Well,
actually you can just be a parent, yeah, and and
being and being that role model to your kids and
being that you know, and doing that work that is
could be your purpose or you know, and you're not
even getting paid for it. You're just doing it because

(19:15):
it's it's what you're called to do or you know,
there's so many different ways it could show up. But
I do believe that we all have like like that
special and I like to call it like magic or
that you know, that skill set that's like unique to
you and that's where it grows and that's it. And
it could be like you could be a counselor you
get to use that same energy to go and be

(19:37):
a social worker. You can use that same energy to
go and be a minister. I mean, like there's so
many different things that you could like, you know, it's
the same passion underneath it all. But the the focus
or like you said, the specifty that that's what grows
and evolves with you. What is it would you say
about what you do that that lights you up, that

(19:59):
that really makes you feel like, oh.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
This is it when I it's so funny. Before I
did this kind of coaching, when I was in high school,
I was a dancer and in college was a you know,
minor din' dance and also became a dance coach, and
I did that for a while. So my favorite thing
then and my favorite thing now is the same. It's

(20:20):
seeing the realization and the aha and the inspiration of
like what you're capable of doing. So my clients back then,
it was my dancers when they do something they didn't
think they could do, or they're capable of something, or
they tap into some magic where they tap into some
moment they have a synchronistic story, and their like their
eyes light up and they realize how powerful they are.

(20:41):
I just got chills. It literally is the best thing ever.
And I have a crazy smile on my face when
I'm chatting with clients and they're like I have the
story to tell you, I'm like of course you do,
because that's how this works. And it's it's my favorite
thing because again, it's not about me getting them to
take my you know, beliefs are my work. It's I

(21:03):
want you to find what works for you. And when
they find that and they see the evidence along the way,
there's nothing better than that. It's the coolest thing.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
Yeah, yeah, that's yeah, I agree one hundred percent. And
I feel like that. So that's kind of where I
created my definition of purpose, right or wrong. It's how
I see it. I really feel like it's when you
find the thing that lights you up and it gives
back in some way, because it's the giving back that's
part of the lighting up, right, And I mean with

(21:35):
with the work that I do as a reader, I'm
more of that channel or vessel. So it's like I
can't really take credit for all the you know, the
things that come up. It's just I'm just here to
be the informant, so to speak. But it's the same
thing is when I'm seeing them realize, like when when
they're getting that confirmation. You know, I don't know them,
I don't know their circumstances, and yet they're getting what

(21:56):
they need because of this information that's helping them and
go oh, I knew the answer the whole time. It's
the same thing onlinend. It's like, oh my gosh. So
because they sat with me and they had this experience,
now they are having a small shift happen, or a
set's been planted that's going to you know, that has
a potential flourish into something more and so and I

(22:18):
think that that's you know, like we're as human beings.
I think we're meant to communicate, like we're meant to
create that kind of community where the whole purpose is
to live our passion and to help others find theirs too.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
It's the connectivity, right, like that we are all connected
and the thing that you're doing has a purpose and
it's going to help someone else. The other thing I
like to think of is the work that I'm doing
isn't just the work that i'm doing, right. It's yes,
I'm working with a client and we're working on goals
and things like that, but there's that ripple effect that
happens as we move through life. I had this moment

(22:53):
years ago before you know, I don't know, maybe between
the first time coaching came to my ware, and maybe
the second time, and I was driving in the car
and I had this very clear awareness with I was
with my partner and we were talking about the world
or something, and I said, you know, I'm going to
change the world. And she kind of laughed. She's such

(23:14):
a realist and she's like one person, huh. And I
was like, yeah, that's kind of all it takes, is
like one person to kind of start that. And I
just said it sort of offhandedly, but it was such
a clear feeling for me that that part of the purpose,
right is for us to change the world by changing ourselves.
And so as I move forward and I learned about

(23:36):
the coaching and I started doing that, I started seeing
how the work that I'm doing, the conversations I'm having
that are so powerful not only changed that one person's life,
but then they take that, you know, aha, moment that insight,
may apply it to their lives and their relationships and
their work and their businesses, and then it becomes this
ripple effect because we are all connected anyway, and so

(23:59):
it's just that moment of it might sound a little crazy,
but it is how we change the world. I mean,
and we're looking at the world right now, and goodness
knows it needs to change, but it starts with us.
And so that's kind of how I have always operated.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
That That reminds me a lot of the Ten of
Pentables in Taro, and it's it's like all about bringing
people together and that ripple effect, like you are impacting people.
And it's interesting because it's kind of like when you
hear when you hear about manifestation, you're always impacting people
good or bad all the time. But you know, when
you start to get conscious and aware of that, then

(24:38):
you then you have that you know, potential to make
lots of positive impact because now you're going into it
and knowing how I speak to this person, even if
you're not like working with them as a client, when
you you know, talk to that gas station attendant, when
you you know, like what how your interaction goes may
impact how they interact with the next person or vice ver.

(25:00):
So like there we are all totally interconnected. And I
love how you put it that way because it's it's
understanding that while you think you're just one person and
you know it's actually totally off topic. But my my
boyfriend just showed me this movie called crash and it's
an older movie from like you've seen it. Apparently I

(25:21):
was late to the party. But that's a perfect example
of how you know, these are just total strangers and
how they all impacted their lives in huge ways without
even knowing it. Yeah, you know, And that's just like
the smallest example when you put it on a bigger scale,
and so yeah, it's it's really cool when you realize

(25:42):
that you are part of that puzzle. You are part
of that impact no matter which way it goes, which
makes it hopefully want to go more in the positive direction,
right right, So what what is a main struggle that
you see? Like, I mean, I know you probably work
with lots of different kinds of people, but what's like
a main when you see over and over? And then
what's advice you'd give for anyone who might be struggling
with that same thing.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
So a lot of times clients will come to me
and say, you know, it's not working, like what am
I missing? I hear that question all the time, what
am I missing? And I always come back and say,
what if you're not missing anything? And then they're like,
do not compute? What does that mean? Not missing anything?
And I said, well, the belief that you're missing something, right,

(26:23):
if you believe that it's true, then of course you're
going to find evidence to support that. So you're going
to see that this thing doesn't work, that person didn't respond,
the payment didn't come through, whatever the issue is, and
you keep going back to, well, if I can figure
out that thing, and it can be what am I missing?
In terms of like I have clients sometimes look at

(26:44):
their sabotage. I must be sabotaging. How what am I missing?
I'm not doing enough? What am I missing? Right? What's
the one action? What's the one piece that I'm missing
to do X, Y and Z? And what I remind
them is that they're not missing anything, have everything that
they need, which is also a kind of frustrating realization,
but also like if I have it, where is it?

(27:07):
Then point me to it? Right, But it's just trying
to help them shift their thinking from what am I missing?
To what do I have? Like if I knew that
it was already working, if I believe, if I chose
that belief that it is working and I'm not missing
anything and I have all that I need, then what
what would you do? And when we unlock that. Then

(27:27):
it's like, oh, actually I'm not missing anything. I'm just
looking at it in a weird way, right, I'm looking
at what I don't have versus actually all the things
that are working and what I can do and what
I do have. So it's that, right, I think we
all that's our very human side. That's like, I need
to figure out said problem, and your brain is going

(27:48):
to spin on that problem if it seems it as
a problem. It's going to sit on that problem until
it finds a solution. But it doesn't find a solution.
That's not how we live.

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Speaker 2 (28:50):
Yeah. I just was reading a book called The I
Think It's the Power of Now my card toole, and
he talks about like the mind. It's supposed to be
this wonderful tool, and it absolutely is when it's used
in that way. Yeah, but when we think that the
mind is the only way to you know, figure things out,
that's where we get in that where we start focusing

(29:11):
so much on the problem. We're not even looking at
the solution. It's just like, well that's the problem. That
reminds me so sorry I speak in taro. Yeah, it
brings two different things to mind for me. Like, the
first one that brings to mind is the Eight of Swords,
and that one is all about being trapped. Like you
feel like you're trapped. You feel like you're literally tethered
and bound and you're like, well, there's nowhere to go. Yeah,

(29:33):
but it's literally the bounds and the chains all of
that's appear like you're not actually trapped or tethered. And
so the analogy I use for that is it's like
you're in a locked room and you're trying to break
down this door and you're throwing everything you can at
the door. It's not budging, but you're so focused on
the door you don't see the open window that's right
next to it.

Speaker 3 (29:52):
Uh huh.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
And it's just like when you're able to peel back,
there's many ways forward, it's not, but we're so focused
on well, it has to only be this way and
this way I had a big roadblock on it. And
so it's like, but shift, maybe there's a rerouting option,
you know, and there is, there always is. And then
another thing you mentioned, maybe you think of how I
read the lovers, and how I read the lovers isn't

(30:14):
like romantically. It's more talking about like looking outside of
you for the thing that's going to make you whole
or make you feel like you can do what you
need to do or accomplish what you need to accomplish.
So like once I get that promotion, once I get
that relationship, once I lose twenty pounds, once I love whatever,
like once I get the thing that's out there somewhere

(30:35):
to fill a void and hear, then I'll be what
I need. And the whole idea is, well, hold on,
you're already whole, Like there is no incomplete souls walking
around out there. We all have what we need. So
then how can you shift your perspective to what is
it that that promotion is going to give me? And
how can I create that? Now? What is it that

(30:55):
I want from? Like, what do I feel like a
relationship's going to give me? And how can I start
to create that for myself now? So that when you
do re meet the person, they're not your all end
all be all. They're just a beautiful addition to your life.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
Yeah, it's so interesting. One of the things that when
they're looking at what am I missing? Or they're looking
at this problem and I just sent a message to
a client this morning about this because we were talking
about this the other day, is I'll pose a question
to them that a coach posed to me, which is,
what if that's not a problem? And they're like, what
if it's not? I don't understand, right, it's that And

(31:28):
what's so funny about this work is I ask a
question and it literally stops whatever thought is happening for them,
and they stop spinning on whatever it is, and they
stop and we interrupt the cycle. That's also part of
the process. We interrupt the cycle and we get them
thinking about something that is going to lead to, you know, empowerment.
But that question is what if it's not a problem.

(31:48):
It just you sit with it for a second, you go, oh,
what if it's not actually a block? What if it's
not something you need to solve? What if it's actually okay?
And then there's this common piece that happens and they
kind of lead back and they go, oh, I didn't
know that was an option.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
USh, that's powerful, I mean, and now I'm like trying
to think, like, oh, how can I use that? Because
you know, like, you know what what came to mind
for me is I have been wanting to do TikTok
lives for a while, but when I get in front
of the camera, it's so funny. I can do a
recorded podcast, but probably because in my mind, I'm like,
I can edit it if I say something weird or whatever.
But when you're alive, you're live, and I just I

(32:26):
don't know how to speak, and I get weird and awkward.
And I just assume, like I'm just awkward and weird
and live and it's a problem. But when you so,
when you pose that question, I know like that's where
my brain went. Was am I being awkward and weird?
Or is that our problem? Or why? Why do I
have to overthink this? Why? You know, it's just kind
of it just it just opened up like a whole
floodgate of things that I didn't expect. So yeah, that's

(32:49):
a great question no matter what it is.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
Yeah, yeah, And then your brain, if it's not a problem,
your brain doesn't have to solve for it. So if
it's not a problem, and you just go huh okay,
and again I just I got chills with that. So
it's always the confirmation. But if it's not a problem,
then you don't have to solve for it. And I
go a step further and I say, okay, if it's
not a problem and you don't have to solve for it,

(33:14):
And what if whatever is unfolding, Well, let's use your example.
What if you come across or you feel awkward, what
if that actually doesn't impact whatever you're ultimately wanting to do.
So if you're wanting to get more followers or you're
wanting to get more people to, you know, sign up
to do readings. What if it doesn't inhibit that it's
not a problem at all, it's just part of the process,

(33:37):
part of the path. Then you might still feel a
little weird about it, but it doesn't have to be
something you have to overcome, because then it becomes that
thing that you have to leap over, or that block
that you have to move, or that thing you have
to figure out. But if it's not a problem, then
just doesn't have to be a problem. It's like a
brain I call it brain mind gymnastics.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
Yeah, and that makes sense too, because then you're you're
freeing up the part of you that's that's trying to
down and that's making you feel small because of it.
Now no longer has that space or doesn't have that
evidence anymore. And then I like that too, because there's
an elt that that really leans you into surrender, that
leans you into Oh, the people who were meant to

(34:21):
find me will find me. Yes, And then because I mean,
it's a different situation, but I do. I do Farmer's
market sometimes, and it's really funny because even though a
lot more people are more open to Tarot, it still
has a lot of stigma, and so most of the
time people go out of their way to really avoid

(34:42):
my tent. I mean, either they'll they'll do the side
eye and I'll quickly look away, or they'll like walk
a huge arc around my tent. And I've learned to
just kind of be like, okay, Like I've learned to
just be like, the people who are meant to sit
with me are going to sit with me, and they
always do, and I always feel like the people who
find me were meant to and so I've learned to
just like almost laugh at it, you know, like I'm

(35:03):
not scary you guys, I promise, yeah, you know. But
I had to shift that because initially I felt, really
I felt kind of like, you know, the pariah. And
then I had to be like, it's okay, because someone
who needs to see me, you will see me, and
it's totally fine. And once I shifted that perspective, now
I just it's almost like a game. I'm like, who's

(35:23):
gonna avoid me today? But yeah, you know, but not
like in a you know, not in like a degrading
way for myself, just more like let's see, you know,
but I'm always you know, always smiling to people, always
you know, welcoming, and it just kind of see what happens.
But it did take that mindset of like taking it
out of it being a problem and trusting that and
again that surrender of those who want to sit with

(35:46):
me will sit with me, and I'm going to trust that.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
Yeah. Absolutely, Yeah, it's really powerful if you can come
at it from that place of that what if it's
not a problem. It's such a great question to ask,
such a great question, it'll it'll stop the cycle of thought.
And then it just gets your brain to almost go
quiet because it's like, oh, okay, well what do I
do with all my time? If I don't have to

(36:10):
solve that? What do I do? I'm gonna try.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
Coming back to eckhart Toll, I mean we are the
observers according to him and his perspective, like our soul
is the observer. Where the the one looking out and
it's the brain that's spinning. And again like the brain
isn't bad, the ego isn't bad. It's literally just here
to solve problems. Right, So when you give it a

(36:33):
different option, because it in which reminds me of The
Ace of Swords, which talks about how you use your
mind is up to you. You can use it as
your ally, or you can use it or it could
be your enemy, and it depends on how you use it.
So it's like reminding yourself that your your mind is
literally a giant computer and are you gonna, you know,

(36:54):
let it run you or are you gonna run it?

Speaker 3 (36:57):
Yeah? Yeah, exactly who's in control here?

Speaker 2 (37:01):
Right? Yeah? Oh my gosh. I'm definitely gonna write that
one down because it's a really, really cool question. So
from here, I would love to shift to what I
like to call synchronicity story time, and it's just one
of my favorite segments. I feel like it's like we
get to talk about everyday magic, you know, and it's
kind of like the the evidence sort of you know,

(37:21):
of it being out there. Love stories like that. Do
you have a fun synchronistic story that you could share?

Speaker 3 (37:25):
I do. At the time, I didn't realize that it
was such a synchronicity, but looking back, it's just part
of the journey. So during the time of my life
where I was like questioning and trying to figure out
what I was going to do, I had just moved
to a new city to be with my partner, and
it's like a small town. I worked a couple of jobs,
like was just trying to figure things out. And I

(37:46):
was driving home from work one day and I've driven
the same path for you know, months, and there was
a used bookstore on the corner. I had never stepped
foot in this used bookstore, never needed to, never had
a desire, and at this date, like I was just
driving home from work, it caught my eye, no reason
to go in there, but was like, go to the bookstore, Like, Okay,

(38:07):
I haven't been reading books and don't know why I'm
going to the bookstore. And I'm walking around and I
don't know what I'm looking for. I previously had had
these questions of like what do I need to do?
You know, what's my next step? Just kind of thinking
about life. So I'd been doing this for about a
month or so, and so I get called to go
to this bookstore. So I'm walking around and I walk
like the outskirts of it, and I look at different books. Again,

(38:31):
nothing in particular I'm wanting to look at, and I'm like,
what am I doing here? And so I go to
the back of the store and I come up the
center aisle and they had these kind of carts that
were like half off books or something, and I just
stopped at one and was like looking at the titles,
and then one book fell off at the bottom and

(38:51):
I look at it and it's Chicken Soup for the
Writer's Soul. And I was like, huh, Well, what's interesting
is that I was thinking about, like, you know, I
hated my job and I needed to do something more inspiring.
And I had been following this coach, creative coach who
was into writing, and she was writing all these things,

(39:11):
and I've been thinking about writing, and so this book
falls off and it's like all these stories about people
who wrote their book or wrote articles and why it's
so empowering and important. I have the book to this day.
But what I realized later, so I thought it was cool,
bought the book, read the book. Well. It led to
I started writing inspirational poetry that eventually I submitted and

(39:33):
got published on greeting cards that are still sold around
the country, which is cool. I also started writing book
reviews for this company who they would send me free,
like spiritual spirituality books. I got those for free, so
it like completely opened my mind to all the things
I loved, and then I would write book reviews on it,

(39:54):
and then I started my blog, which then eventually led
me to actually start thinking realistically about coaching, and it
led to my first coaching client, who was also a writer.
So I had all of these things happen. And it
sounds weird because if you know, you just a book
fell off a shelf, that doesn't feel magical. But the
chain of events that happened from that moment was one

(40:16):
hundred percent secretosity. There was no other reason that I
was called to stop at the bookstore on that day.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
I love that. That's so that's like a perfect example
of because you know, if someone's listening and they're like,
I've never had a synchronicity, look backwards, because when things
line up perfectly, when doors open when you don't expect it,
when you get called to walk into a random book
store you've never been into before, and yet when you
look back that day, it's like that was the beginning

(40:43):
of my trajectory. That's what started me being where I
am now. And I would I would argue too, that
a book randomly falling off a shelf is a little
bit dial you know, like why did it fall?

Speaker 3 (40:55):
Yeah? It was so so random. But also I talk
about this a lot that the universe doesn't work with logic, right,
So my logical brain would have been like, I don't
need a book, there's no reason for me to stop.
Why do I need to be there? But the universe
doesn't operate that way, and a lot of the synchronicities
don't operate with logic. It's just I don't know why
I had to go to that place, or I don't

(41:17):
know why I stopped at this thing, or I don't
know why I called that friend. It's those moments where
you just do it. You're not thinking, you just do it,
And yeah, looking backwards to see how those things unfolded
and what it led you to is really interesting.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
Yeah, oh I made that story. Thank you so much
for sharing that. And it's because there's different kinds of synchronicity, right,
Like I've I've talked to people who've had things that
happen almost instantaneously where it's like you know, they ask
and then you know, they put something out the universe
and things just lined up like pretty quickly. Or you
also have like the more long not long con but
you know, like the long version of it where you're

(41:54):
able to be like wow. It all started with this
yeah and yeah, because it's funny because I had a
synchronous city with my original story I guess if you
could call it that, where I didn't even I was
telling the story on feed for podcasts and it was
like maybe my fourth or fifth story going in where
I was like, oh my god, how did I not

(42:15):
see that? Because for me, it was I was I
was in a DV relationship. My then husband had an
addiction I didn't know about, and so it was getting
pretty bad, and I was like should I leave or
should I stay? And I mean instinctually I knew I
needed to go. I had we had a one year
old daughter, and I grew up in that environment, so

(42:35):
I'm like, I don't want her to be and so like.
But I was torn because I was a stay at
home mom. I didn't have anything. And this was the
first time I ever turned to my deck for anything,
my tarot deck for anything substantial.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
And what started it was I got woken up one
morning after my husband went to work to my dog's
going ballistic on my back patio, which was strange because
I was on the second floor apartment. So I'm like, what,
I go and I see what they're looking at. It's
a ray. Then sitting on my balcony and one of
my dogs was like fifty pounds and she was clawing
at the back door, and this this bird was just

(43:07):
sitting there staring at me, completely unbothered. And it was
probably only like thirty seconds maybe but before it flew off.
But it was enough of a question for me to go,
what does it mean that when you see a raven?

Speaker 3 (43:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (43:20):
And I looked it up and so you know, and
that's when I read that ravens are really similar to
the phoenix. They a lot of the times they represent,
like life and death and you know, rebirth. And so
that's why I pulled out my deck because I got
caught because I just knew it had something to do
with my marriage, and I asked, should I stay or
should I go? And I will never forget. The card

(43:40):
for staying was the devil, which I basically meant it
wasn't going to get better. The card if I pulled,
if I left, was the death card, which is all
about rebirth. And it's so funny because I was telling
the story over and over, and then it just one
day the light bulb went off and I was like,
oh my gosh, the raven represents the death cart, which

(44:01):
I pulled that morning, which is what completely shifted my
life and made me go I need to leave and
you know, started my spiritual I mean, it was like
the beginning of everything. But I didn't even realize. I
didn't even two and two together until like several so present.
I was like, hold on a second. You know, it's
just really cool when you can actually see like the
universe was conspiring for you. Basically.

Speaker 3 (44:22):
Yeah, And I think we get synchronicities all the time.
I just had one a moment ago before our call.
I was I took a walk and I told a
client a story about manifesting money. I would take these
walks when we lived in South Carolina, which was years ago,
and I would walk the same path like every day,
and every day I would find coins on the ground

(44:42):
and I'm like, who is this person leaving all this
money in like the same places that I go every day,
I'm finding money. And I was telling her about this,
and as I'm walking listening to an audio from her,
I kid, you not in this neighborhood. Never found money. Today,
of all days, when I'm listening to an audio from her,
I find it. I'm walking and I had to share it,
and I'm like, again, confirmation, And is it a message

(45:04):
of anything? I mean, not necessarily, It's just a fun
like wink from the universe saying listen, you're good, You're
on the right path. You know, it's just fun. I
love love getting those quotes, songs, animals, all the things.
And then a butterfly flew into my face. I picking
up the quarter, I'm like, oh my gosh, and this

(45:24):
butterfly just like flutters around my head and then flies away.
I'm like, because this is wild.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
What are the odds of both of those things lighting up?
Oh my gosh, chills ck. So the final question I'd
love to ask is what kind of legacy would you
like to leave for future generations. What's something that you
think future generations could really take and utilize in a
way that you know, maybe we weren't able to in
our generation.

Speaker 3 (45:48):
That you can trust yourself that you have the answers,
that you have all that you need. I think that
we live in a society that doesn't always honor that
and doesn't always teach us how to listen to that.
You know, our elders know more, the government knows more,
your boss knows more, whoever, and we kind of discount

(46:11):
our own gut feeling, instincts, intuition, And from the work
that I've done over the years, it's constantly like you
can trust yourself, trust yourself, listen to your inner guidance.
And I think knowing that we are all kind of intuitive,
we all have those signals and signs from ourselves, like,

(46:32):
start playing with that, start trusting it, and it will
never lead you astray. It's such a powerful thing once
you learn to do. And I think that future generations
definitely can can lean into that where we didn't necessarily
always have the opportunity or know that we could.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
That's amazing And I do feel like the generations and
new generations are already picking up on that. So I
just imagine, you know, having these kids that were just
pouring this information into for them to go and take
to their children. Yeah, And like my own daughter, she's
very outspoken and I love that about it, Like she

(47:14):
she will say what's on her mind, she will say
what you know, we have to curb it a little bit.
She's she's a little spectrum in the ADHD department, so
you know, I have a time place, you know, But
her her spirit isn't being dismantled like I think a
lot of our generation and prior was, you know, where
we were taught to stuff it. And it's like I'm
trying to teach her like not to do that. But
that reminds me too. I did this event where I

(47:37):
was hired for a graduation party, so a bunch of
seventeen eighteen year olds, right, And I mean not only
did they hire me an extra hour because the line
was like out the door, you know. But the thing
that struck me was that every single one of these
and they're you know, they're kids as far as I'm concerned.
I know that some of them are dolls, but they're kids.
And they were completely hearing I mean, the thing about

(47:58):
Tarot is it's a very k thing. They were hearing me.
They were and the mom was telling me how all
the kids they weren't even really talking about the readings.
They were just saying that, oh my gosh, I'm going
to sit with this. This means so much to me,
and and the mom even said that I was more
popular than the mechanical bull that they got, which was
really but that's just showing the generation like they're a

(48:19):
lot more self reflective. They're a lot more internal than
we ever were. And so I just love that message
because I think I think it's already happening, but I
think it's more like, now, let's see what they do
with their kids and knowing that it's okay to teach
that you can trust yourself.

Speaker 3 (48:35):
Yeah, yeah, I'm really interested to see what the world
looks like. I think I've been thinking about this right
from the human side of me and the spiritual side
of me in terms of what's happening in the world
in our country. And I look at the human side
and I have all kinds of feelings with a kid on,
you know, the spectrum and education and just all the

(48:57):
things that are happening. And then I look at from
a spiritual perspective all the things like it's the tower card, right,
like everything has to come crashing down, it has to
fall in order for us to rebuild, and future generations
like we can't wait for them. I have a you know,
three year old or almost three year old can't wait
for her to do it, Like I want to pave

(49:18):
the way as much as I can so that she
has something better to build and look forward to. But
I'm really interested to see where we're headed because it
has to be better than where we've been. Like I
that is honestly the only thing that's keeping me as
grounded and as positive I think is like go back,
going back to that question, what if this isn't a problem.

(49:40):
And I know it feels like a big problem, but
what if this is actually part of the solution.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
Okay, So this this you saying that is a giant
synchronicity for me. I just have to say, because I've
been really oh, I've been really struggling with you know,
seeing different things on the news. I know that there
is that man who is sent to El Salvador who
wasn't supposed to be and they can't get him back,
and there's it's just so many, so many like we educated,

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there's so many things, and so I'm torn between the
activist in me and the let's bring people together and
just focus on the love. And it's like that seems
so passive, right, but yet I feel like I also
feel like that I feel like that. So there's this
quote that I heard from another another podcast that just

(50:29):
really stuck with me. That came from Mother Teresa, and
she said she was invited to a war protest and
she said, no, I won't be there. And they said
that you don't like war, Like, why won't you come?
She said, have a walk for peace, and I will come.
But I'm not against anything, because when you're against something,
there's you're still it's still friction. And so even it's

(50:50):
like and so I'm torn because I'm like, even the
activism is creating friction. And so before we sat down,
like literally I'm talking like ten minutes before sat down,
I'm like, I feel so heavy, I feel so like
helpless and powerless and not sure what I should be
doing because it's such difficult times right now, and not

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even for me personally, but I know for so many
and I know that it's only a matter of time.

Speaker 3 (51:16):
Right It's that.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
Ripple effect on the magative side, But just you comparing
it to the Tower right now, it just completely was like, Okay,
you know what's it's giving me a different perspective and
so I so appreciate that because the Tower, it's another
form of rebirth. It's just it just comes with a
lot of people. Yeah, yeah, so I think, you know,

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kind of like you said, we get to choose what
we believe, you know. I want to believe that it's
it's about coming together and that we're all human and
that we all want the same basic things and if
we can focus on that, that can, like you said,
one person can change the world, you know, with with
with these messages.

Speaker 3 (51:58):
So thank you, You're welcome. Yeah, it's it's something I've
been wrestling with. I think we have to feel our
human feelings that come up. For sure, there have been
lots of tears and like what is happening and all
the all the feelings and then sort of a grounding in, Okay,
now what what's my part to do? And I am

(52:20):
with you and like should I be doing more? Is
there something else I should be doing? But I think
this conversation, right is doing something. I think the work
that you do, the work that I do, the work
that I'm doing with my kids and what I'm teaching
them and helping a neighbor and you know, any of
those things. Like I think that that again, we're all connected.
So I think that it is having an impact and knowing,

(52:42):
like trying to get the bird's eye view of where
are we headed. And I really am hanging on to
the belief, and I choose the belief that we're headed
to higher ground, better you know, a better world. It's
just it's gonna be a bumpy ride to get there,
because you know, we have to dismantle all the things
that don't work, and there's a lot of stuff that
doesn't work, and it's going to not look pretty, and

(53:05):
unfortunately that's part of it. And we just have to
keep doing what we're doing to love each other and
be kind to one another as much as possible.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
One hundred percent. And I just had a very Disney
example just came to my right right now. Have you
seen in Canto, Yes, the very end where that when
it all fell apart because of the beliefs that were
dismantling it from within, and the family came together and
the town came together to help them rebuild, and it
was even stronger than before.

Speaker 3 (53:35):
So love that that's perfect. Yes, I think that that's
that's ultimately what we're doing. And I'm so excited. I
was thinking about my grandmother. She's ninety five years old.
She grew up in like the Great Depression, like the
for real and she's grown up and she's grown up
through all these things, and she's like on Facebook and
she has her iPhone and it's so fun to watch.

(53:57):
But I imagine what she has seen in her lifetime,
and then I imagine what we have seen just in
our lifetime up to this point, and where we will
end up and the stories we'll be able to tell
and to be able to yes, go through some of
the toughest times, to be able to see the brighter
times on the other side. Like I keep bringing myself

(54:17):
back to that, and I think reinforcing that we get
to create that because we are in the powerful position,
not by fight and might, but in our minds and spirits.
For sure.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
Yeah, yeah, oh I love that. So if our listeners
want to work with you, and I'm sure there will
be that one so all want work with you, how
can they find you?

Speaker 3 (54:41):
Yeah, you can find me at lamisiasurf walls dot com.
I also have a podcast that is called Shit My Life.
Coach says thirty minute episodes about once a week just
to talk about you know, tips and tools to help
you do everything we talked about here, you know, get
your mind on board and create the life that you want.
You can also find me on social media, same on Facebook, Instagram,

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the same Malicia Sourfwall's tagline.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
Perfect. I will be sure to put all that in
the show notes. So listeners, if you want to work
with Lemisha, you know where to find her. And thank
you so much. I mean, like, this was not only
a really great conversation, but I just feel like, because
I'm not gonna lie, I wasn't really sure I wanted
to do this because of how heavy I was feeling,
and like so the fact that the fact that it
ended with like coming back to that and some strange level,

(55:32):
I was like, oh my gosh, I needed this. So
thank you for all of it.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
Well, thank you for having me. I'm so glad that
we did this. Thank you, I appreciate it.

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