September 10, 2025 • 28 mins
This week on the Spotlight Series, I’m joined by Tena, joining us all the way from Croatia for her featured tarot reading. We focused on her career, and what came through was a powerful invitation to step into deeper transformation.Her reading explored themes of grief around an ego death, the need to surrender old victimhood narratives, and the courage to trust herself as she releases outdated stories and patterns that no longer serve her. It’s a reminder that slowing down, tuning inward, and allowing space for healing can open the door to profound clarity and freedom. If you’ve ever felt called to shed old identities and step into a new chapter, this episode will likely resonate.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Spotlight, where each week a guest takes center
stage for an intuitive tarot reading. You'll get a front
row seat to a real recorded session as we explore
the magic of taro together. My goal is to create
a space where we navigate challenges, uncover fresh perspectives, and
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(00:22):
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and I'll be in touch about getting you on Now,
without further ado, let's meet this week's guest.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Thank you so much for joining me for another episode
of Spotlight, which is part of my Spirit Journey collective podcast.
I'm so excited that you're here with me today. And
I have a wonderful guest. Her name is Tana and
she's from Croatia, and yeah, I'm so excited she's here.
We're going to be focused on a career focused reading.
And first of all, thank you so much for being
here today, Tana.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Thank you very much for your reading and for having me.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Yeah, thank you for joining me today and being a
featured guest. And so yeah, well, I go ahead and
shuffle and work online out the cards. Why don't you
share their guests a little bit more about you whatever
feels relevant. If you want to share what you offer
quick backstram who you are?
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Okay, thank you very much. I'mtenna. I help people to
break free from the victim mentality and turn their dreams
into reality through my own victim journey. I learned the
patterns in a victim game how we switch between rolls
of victim, villain and savior. And now I help others
(01:35):
to clear the triggers in their field so they can
live life more fully without triggers and simply have harmonious
relationships with themselves, with each other and collectively. And I
wrote the book Victim Game in Everyday Life. It will
(01:56):
be available in English language hopefully soon. However, I have
a free ebook that is called weektim Game Uncovered and
you can download it free on my website tenas at
its dot com. And also if you register for monthly calls,
you can receive each month's free clearings group clearings, and
(02:21):
after the group clearing, we have one on one mini
trigger release sessions, so there are much two you can
benefit from visiting and subscribing to my email list and
I'm so happy to be here. I thank you very much, Sarah,
and to all your listeners.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Thank you Tana for explaining all of that. And I
think it's beautiful work that you're doing, because I feel
like it's so easy for us as humans to fall
into the victim mentality and realizing that there's another way,
it's just so empowering, and so I think it's beautiful
what you're doing. So I went ahead and pulled on
cards again, and it's gonna be focused around your career
(03:02):
and it's seven cards. It's my higher self spread. So
I'm going to go over a theme past, present, future
energies and then high your self messages as a whole,
and then feel free to if you want to comment
as I go, just interrupt me if I keep talking,
because once I start just start talking, it's just kind
of like the channeling part and it's not going to
(03:23):
mess me up. It's just sometimes I just get into
the flow and I don't stop. So it's up to
you if you want to just listen and then comment
on the end, or if you want to comment as
I go, or if you have questions as I go,
Please do not be afraid to interrupt me.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Okay, I'm ready, okay, perfect.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
So starting with your theme, which is a little interesting
to me, but I actually pull two cards for your
theme because I wanted to pull a clarifier just to
understand it a little bit better. Your initial theme is
the Five of Cups and the clarifier I pulled for
that is the Eat of Swords. So what's interesting right
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now is the theme of your of your career business
is actually grief at the moment, and so there's it's
saying that there's some aspect of grief that hasn't been processed.
And usually grief, it can show up in many different forms.
I mean, it could be the loss of a love
when it could also just be maybe something didn't didn't
turn out the way you hoped it would, right. It
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could also just be losing the perspective of something or
it maybe it turned out differently, But it's usually just
the feeling of you didn't get something that you were
hoping to get, or you lost something that was important
to you. And so the theme is loss, and with
the aid of Swords being the clarifier, this one is
saying that on some level you feel a little bit
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trapped with dealing with the loss like it's it's I
feel like you acknowledge it, you know it's there. You
hold space for your grief, but you don't know how
to like transcend. It is kind of what I'm feeling like.
That's the part that feels a little bit again that
the Eight of Swords is all about the mind. It's
how you're seeing your situation. It's not the real situation,
(05:04):
because just because you feel trapped doesn't mean you are trapped.
And so in which you probably know this because you
teach victim mentality and how to break away from that,
and a lot of that is in the mind, right,
It's a lot of how we see things in perspective.
So the theme, the very starting theme, is that there's
some kind of grief that's in the business world for
you that you haven't processed yet, and on some level
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you feel stuck. And so the Aid of Swords it
really just says, first of all, you're not stuck. That's
just it's just I like to use the analogy of
it's like you're trapped in a room and you're trying
to break down this door and it's not budging.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
I'm feeling the whole day. Maybe yeah, it's grief, but
it's kind of grief, you know, just like the all
the leaves are falling down, and just you I'm getting.
Just just relax and allow allow inner guidance, allow flow
(06:03):
to to lead you. Maybe it's about you know, when
I want it. Okay, I want this, I want that,
but actually it's not for my highest pass. It's something
like like maybe ego stubbornness, personnelities, something like I really
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have to go to let go of final I want
to be that way or no way, some kind of
pattern determination and and allow myself to be guided with
you know, with divine, fully guided with the divine flow,
fully flow with divine, and it doesn't matter anything, you know,
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marketing metrics or something like that. I feel it. It
doesn't matter. And the message what I'm actually getting you
from you, what I got just from you, from this,
what you say it is, it doesn't matter, just be
you and things are opening like this moment, you know,
(07:10):
because people in marketing focused on like it's something in
determination I feel, but please continue, maybe I will get
a deeper clarity.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Yeah, what you're describing, which actually does align here, is
more like an ego death is letting go of you know,
that control aspect that again we all have, and learning
how to surrender, which makes a lot of sense from
this aspect, because you know, the grief is like the
death right is that you have to let go of
that control and that need to you know, we think
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we want certain things, but when we actually relinquish it,
other things come in that even better than we could
have ever imagined. Right, and then the aid of swords.
You know, the biggest invitation of a sorts is realizing
that there's many avenues forward and getting like that bird's
eye view versus feeling like you're stuck in the trees.
And so I feel like that that makes a lot
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of sense. Is it's just the sense of like learning
how to see all the avenues without feeling like you
have to pick one or it has to be one way.
It's like, you know it could be however, it's time
going to be guided.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Oh got it, God, I just got got this message.
It's like all the way of pushing, you know, doing
three hours working on debt, finishing tasks, like I have
to let it go and follow follow the energy fully.
You know, I was like disciplined and programmed. I have
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to feel this kind of tasks. But maybe what you're
saying the message is let go of needing to for
needing to to work with force. You know, it's not
it's exhausting. It's exhausting, but just allow just allowed to
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come to magnetize. That's what I'm getting from your words.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Yeah, I could definitely see that, and I would say
that the grief piece is the letting go. It's the
trusting the process and you know, again letting go of
a piece of yourself that feels that need to control
it right, and it's learning how to release that part
which has probably been with you your whole life, so
there will be some grief around it. Looking at your
recent past, we have the King of Wands, and this
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is interesting because usually I see this one more in
the present or future that I see in the past.
So that tells me that there's been moments in your
in your recent past with your business where you really
felt i would say, in completely in your flow, where
you felt like the sky was the limit, nothing was
holding you back. You were completely comfortable with creating your own.
You're like your own instead of following other people's footsteps,
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you're creating your own trail, and you're like, well, I'm
gonna do it the way that I feel called even
if everyone else is going the main way over here,
I'm going to go make my own trail this way.
And so I feel like this is almost more of
a reminder to you that that's that fire and that
passion and that leadership that used to in the past
really drive you. It's still there. It hasn't gone anywhere,
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and so I feel like this is just reminding you,
like remember the time that you felt like you weren't
in that surrender place where you didn't have to cause
I'm kind of feeling especially when you're mentioned like marketing
and all the different things like those are like they
feel like the kind of like the have to's for
less entrepreneurs, right, And there's a lot of ways I
tell you should do it, you know, and so it
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can feel overwhelming when it's like, well, you should do
it this way, or you should do it this way.
And I feel like this is just reminding you that
there was a point in time where you didn't feel
like you needed to do the cookie cutter marketing. You
just kind of listen to yourself, listen to your intuition
and doors just naturally opened. So I feel like there
might have been a part of you that kind of
got drawn back into the marketing traps, so to speak, of,
(10:53):
well you should do it this way to get successful,
and you kind of lost that, not lost, it's still there,
but you kind of like lost sight of the part
of you that just listen to your own intuition and
just paved your own trail.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Yeah. Yeah, but mainly, mainly I listen to my intuition,
and I easily get excited around something and then okay,
you know, so it's a reminder listen to your intuition.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Yeah, absolutely. And so your present card, which I absolutely love,
is the sixth of ones, And so this one is
just it's a reminder that you don't have to, like
as far as your work, as far as like taking
time to celebrate yourself and honor yourself. Remember that you
don't have to earn that. Remember that that's just something
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that's that's just your birthright to celebrate honor yourself, whether
you reach certain goals or not, whether you get out
of bed that morning or not, Like you are worthy
of celebrating honor yourself as you are without conditions, and
so especially with you know, the aid of Swords and
your theme along with the griep, I feel like there's
definitely like this part of you that's almost bought into
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this idea of Okay, so I have to do this,
like the checklists, like I have to do this and
this and this and this and this, and then I
can celebrate myself. And it's like, no, you can celebrate
yourself as you are right now unconditionally because you you're here,
You you exist simply because you exist. And so I
feel like that's almost tying back into that intuition part,
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because when we lose sight of like not just our whys,
I feel like, you know your why is, it's more
like when you lose sight of like your your inner fire,
it's kind of like you you you kind of put
on the back burner like, oh, I have to earn
it and high your selves Like no, no, bring that
back up here. You don't have to earn that. You
just you just get to celebrate yourself as you are.
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And when you're able to do that, then you're I
think your intuition is wide open at that point because
you're already trusting yourself because you're already like your self.
Love is right there on the like front and center,
if that makes sense.
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Speaker 3 (13:56):
Yes, and I also feel lately, particularly this summer, I
felt the residues of a victim game is showing me.
Like this morning, I told myself, okay, wake up at
let's say eight am, it's evening in my place, and
then I just wanted to lay down, you know, to
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enjoy the morning in my bed, and I sensed here
a little like guilt, okay, And I just said, oh,
you know that this residues of this victim game, of
this punishing, you're not you're not doing what you should
suppose to do. So what I'm getting from your reading
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is that really that the tiniest residue of victim game
is really ready to release, to be released and to
the time, ready to be in my flow, in my
relaxation and trusting one hundred percent that everything is just
(15:03):
as it should be, like this conversation. And so that's
what I got from this grief, like this old patterns,
old self is still still wants wants to hold and
now okay, I love you and you can go. It's okay,
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it's okay to go.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Yes. And you know what, that perfectly leads us to
the future cards, because it almost is like doubling down
on that message for you. So your near future card
is the Moon, and your hi self message to the
new near future card is the eighth of cups reversed.
So the Moon is all about surrender. That's like the
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biggest surrender card it's it's a walk of faith, it's knowing.
It's basically going on a walk in the moonlight where
you only have the moonlight to guide you, which means
you can only see a couple feet in front of you.
You're still walking because you're trusting that something else is
guiding the moonlight for you, and you're trusting you're not
going to walk off a cliff like you're just like, Okay,
something bigger has my back, and so I don't understand
(16:11):
what's happening. I don't understand where I'm going, but I'm
going to trust that whatever higher power I believe in
is going to get me there. And so I feel
like that's like what you're being kind of invited to
step into is more of that surrender which we've kind
of already touched on since the beginning of the reading.
So the higher self message, I mean, yeah, the higher
self message to the near future being the aid of
Cups reversed. This is very similar to that grief card,
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very similar. It's so grief is more about processing the grief,
whereas aight of Cups is more about the conscious decision
to leave something behind because something better is waiting for you.
And it is reverse, which means there is a part
of you that's kind of cleaning onto that. So if
the grief represents letting go of like that ego death
and letting go of the victim mentality and releasing it
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so you can surrender and trust the process, the part
of you that's still like afraid to let go, and
there's some emotional investment in it too, because the cops
that's all about emotions, and so there's an emotional investment too,
probably that guilt, to that victim mentality. And it's like,
I know it sounds counterintuitive, but most of us have
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used that victim mentality and it has been like our
best friend for most of our lives. So even if
it's not you know, even if it's not productive, there's
still almost like a because a lot of times there
was a coping mechanism, right, So there's still kind of
an emotional attachment to it, even if you've chosen I
know this isn't good for me anymore. So I feel
like it's saying that, you know, the biggest invitation is
to surrender and to lean into letting go, lean into emotionally.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Releasing exactly what I experienced this summer as well, I
had a lot of insights. So with my friends, you know,
they're my mirrors. They're showing me if it's if I
feel triggered by someone, then it's something that needs to
be released. And I noticed holding onto story, holding onto
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story and not being able to let it go, you know,
and okay, I let it go. And now I think
what I'm getting it's time to really, honestly one hundred
percent let go of old stories of being heard being whatever.
(18:28):
You know, in relationship, we had many this kind of entanglement.
Just let go of old stories. Don't don't hold it
second more than you you know, it comes and go.
So what I'm getting what you're telling me with this card,
it's to be fully transparent, like just things that are
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going through me, not holding onto anything. Whether it is
good or it is bad, it doesn't matter. Just okay,
okay it is so it let it go. Not being
attached to outcomes, to people, to what will happen next,
not being attached to success stories, not being attached to anything.
(19:19):
I think that's that's the message you you were actually
reflecting to me about being fully transparent and really let
go of all attachments yeah, breathing and breed out, don't hold, don't.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Like this, definitely see that, and especially with that cops.
It's it is about releasing emotional attachments. I mean, it
could just be one attachment, it could be several. But
if in this case a bits more of that, because
that's what victim and healthy is. It's a storytelling, right,
It's the stories we tell ourselves around you know, whatever.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
The situation, I'm getting what underneath your words, you know,
releasing emotional attachments. If people in my presence, like I
do clearings, have a beautiful revelation whatever, it's not about you.
You know, it's not you who is doing that. You're
just a channel and your job is to be a
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clear channel to heal, to clear all these residues, this trauma,
this stock energy. That's the only thing you need to do.
And if people are getting that result, it's not on you.
And also if people are not getting results, it's not
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because of you. You're clear channel. So that's what I
received from you, So thank you for showing me that.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
So there's two more cards here, and I feel like
this is more like kind of the tool belt to
help you through this because I mean it's really easy
to talk about releasing attachments and ego deaths in theory.
Righting it and actually doing it are two different things
because it's not always as easy to just do it right.
That's the work, and so I feel like this is
more like the tool built to help you lean into
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that release. So the next one is the Eight of Sorts, sorry,
the Ace of Sorts reversed. And so I love that
this is reverse because it does it does show that
you have a really solid awareness. So it is saying
that you understand that, like the biggest tool you have
to release and to lean into surrender is your mindset.
That is the biggest tool to work in your favor.
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Because the Ace of Sorts is all about the mind
and how we use it. And so it can either
you know, in the victim mentality, right, it's more when
the when the thoughts I like it's called the negative
thought trained will just take over in spiral and you
just kind of lose control of it. Right, So for you,
it's like you're really good at catching your train. Like
when your train starts a spiral, you're like, oh no,
I'm not going in that direction. We're going to go
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this direction. And using it more for you than you know,
against you, And so I feel like it's leting you know,
like first of all, like your mind is your biggest tool.
You're already using it correct and to just keep doing that,
keep being aware, keep being mindful, like that's going to
be your biggest tool to catch yourself. So it's easier
to let go and release, even if it's just in
like baby steps right when you're like, oh, nope, I
see it now that I'm going to release, and then
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the next thing unfolds and you're like, oh, I see it. Release,
you know, but being able to be aware, present and
mindful of that. And then the next one is the
Queen of Cops reversed, and I feel like this is
just kind of leaning more into that surrender energy that like,
but this is more so there has been a lot
of you know, surrender following higher power. I feel like
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the Queen of Cups is more about like just rooting
back to yourself on a very deeply emotional level. So
the Queen of Cups, she is a beautiful guide. She's
like a natural EmPATH. People kind of see her almost
as like a mother figure. So you know, people come
and share what's going on, and you tend to be
that wise like feminine advice for those that need you,
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which makes a lot of sense with the work that
you do. And so when it's reversed, it's just saying
that you're doing that for everyone else, but you're not
fully taking the time to do that for you. So
the way that you are there for others, you start
being there for you. And that starts with like getting
really rooted in your own emotional career.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Got it, got it exactly what I became aware like
maybe two or three days, maybe a week ago. My
main role was savior role. Okay, we switched between savior villain, victim.
But I noticed that in a relationship with my friends
when they didn't ask me. Let's say they they are
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talking about something, maybe they need help or I offered,
but I was not invited. So what I learned just
hold your energy, don't go into don't go where you
are not invited. And what I'm getting what you were
saying saying, it's become aware of that subtle, subtle energetic
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taste if someone feeled is inviting me or not inviting me.
Maybe if you feel someone and it may sound like
they ask you for advice, but energy is no, no, no,
I'm not ready to hear it. And in that case,
I have to practice. And you correctly reminded me. Thank you.
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Practice discernment practice and don't waste your life energy where
you are not invited, because you are wasting your energy.
But just be quiet, just observe, be in your observer mode.
I believe that's the that's the most important practice I
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need to do in next you know, to be an expert,
to be a neutral witness. You know, just to feel
that energy, to feel if the field is invited me
to speak or to be quiet, to keep that silence,
and not to be afraid of silence. You know, not
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to jump. By the way, this Friday, I have this
free call and the topic is let's clear fear of silence,
because sometimes I notice in my in my life, you know,
when there is an awkward silence, I often need to
jump to save the silence. You know, not to be
in that when people feel silence not pleasant. You know
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there's a topic and that's what you what you showed me.
You know, practice neutral, neutral witnessing and feel when you
are invited and when you are not invited. It's just
a subtle stuff.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Yeah, So that that makes a lot of sense, and
you know that kind of that protecting your energy and
your emotional capacity, I would say the only other aspect
to that is also making space for your own self
care to also make sure because there could also be
times where maybe you feel called to step in and
give out your energy, but are you replenishing it on
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your side as well, So kind of that's it's the
only thing I'd add to that. But otherwise, yeah, being
able to have some boundaries and emotional boundaries to protect
your energy. And because it doesn't always, like you said,
some people are not ready to hear advice or you know,
feedback on their situation, right, and then that can affect
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your own energy when it comes back at you when
you can kind of feel it wasn't invited or welcomed. Yes,
So I would say as a whole, a lot of
what I'm getting is just this huge invitation for an
ego death and which comes with, like you said, letting
go of victim mentality, letting go of stories and narratives,
and you know that's going to come with great that
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there's there are emotional attachments that you're going to You're
being called to release, and through that, the biggest invitation
is for you to surrender. Remember to listen to your intuition,
follow the passion and what lights you up. But don't
feel like you have to do it in a cookie
cutter away right, taking your own blazing your own trail,
and just remembering that your mindset and your emotional capacity
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is is really your biggest tool through those things.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Thank you you just said what I what the sounds
very familiar and with my topics this summer ball, so
I'm just receiving reflections. So thank you for reminding me
that I'm on the right path. Thank you for that,
and to remind me the what's my next steps to
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take care of myself and my energy and to be authentic.
That's basically what I understood from you words.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Yeah that's a lot. Yeah, that's exactly what it is.
So again, thank you so much for taking the time
to be be featured on my podcast. And I'm just
so excited we got to connect, and yeah, thank you
for being here.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Thank you very much for having me and for giving
me such a wonderful reading.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Thank you for joining me on another inspiring episode. Remember
your purpose is a unique and unfolding path. I hope
these conversations have ignited a spark within you. Until next time,
keep exploring, growing, and embracing the beautiful adventure of connecting
with your purpose. Stay tuned for more meaningful conversations. If
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Speaker 2 (00:34):
Thank you so much for joining me for another episode
of Spotlight, which is part of my Spirit Journey collective podcast.
I'm so excited that you're here with me today. And
I have a wonderful guest. Her name is Tana and
she's from Croatia, and yeah, I'm so excited she's here.
We're going to be focused on a career focused reading.
And first of all, thank you so much for being
here today, Tana.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Thank you very much for your reading and for having me.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Yeah, thank you for joining me today and being a
featured guest. And so yeah, well, I go ahead and
shuffle and work online out the cards. Why don't you
share their guests a little bit more about you whatever
feels relevant. If you want to share what you offer
quick backstram who you are?
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Okay, thank you very much. I'mtenna. I help people to
break free from the victim mentality and turn their dreams
into reality through my own victim journey. I learned the
patterns in a victim game how we switch between rolls
of victim, villain and savior. And now I help others
(01:35):
to clear the triggers in their field so they can
live life more fully without triggers and simply have harmonious
relationships with themselves, with each other and collectively. And I
wrote the book Victim Game in Everyday Life. It will
(01:56):
be available in English language hopefully soon. However, I have
a free ebook that is called weektim Game Uncovered and
you can download it free on my website tenas at
its dot com. And also if you register for monthly calls,
you can receive each month's free clearings group clearings, and
(02:21):
after the group clearing, we have one on one mini
trigger release sessions, so there are much two you can
benefit from visiting and subscribing to my email list and
I'm so happy to be here. I thank you very much, Sarah,
and to all your listeners.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Thank you Tana for explaining all of that. And I
think it's beautiful work that you're doing, because I feel
like it's so easy for us as humans to fall
into the victim mentality and realizing that there's another way,
it's just so empowering, and so I think it's beautiful
what you're doing. So I went ahead and pulled on
cards again, and it's gonna be focused around your career
(03:02):
and it's seven cards. It's my higher self spread. So
I'm going to go over a theme past, present, future
energies and then high your self messages as a whole,
and then feel free to if you want to comment
as I go, just interrupt me if I keep talking,
because once I start just start talking, it's just kind
of like the channeling part and it's not going to
(03:23):
mess me up. It's just sometimes I just get into
the flow and I don't stop. So it's up to
you if you want to just listen and then comment
on the end, or if you want to comment as
I go, or if you have questions as I go,
Please do not be afraid to interrupt me.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Okay, I'm ready, okay, perfect.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
So starting with your theme, which is a little interesting
to me, but I actually pull two cards for your
theme because I wanted to pull a clarifier just to
understand it a little bit better. Your initial theme is
the Five of Cups and the clarifier I pulled for
that is the Eat of Swords. So what's interesting right
(03:59):
now is the theme of your of your career business
is actually grief at the moment, and so there's it's
saying that there's some aspect of grief that hasn't been processed.
And usually grief, it can show up in many different forms.
I mean, it could be the loss of a love
when it could also just be maybe something didn't didn't
turn out the way you hoped it would, right. It
(04:19):
could also just be losing the perspective of something or
it maybe it turned out differently, But it's usually just
the feeling of you didn't get something that you were
hoping to get, or you lost something that was important
to you. And so the theme is loss, and with
the aid of Swords being the clarifier, this one is
saying that on some level you feel a little bit
(04:42):
trapped with dealing with the loss like it's it's I
feel like you acknowledge it, you know it's there. You
hold space for your grief, but you don't know how
to like transcend. It is kind of what I'm feeling like.
That's the part that feels a little bit again that
the Eight of Swords is all about the mind. It's
how you're seeing your situation. It's not the real situation,
(05:04):
because just because you feel trapped doesn't mean you are trapped.
And so in which you probably know this because you
teach victim mentality and how to break away from that,
and a lot of that is in the mind, right,
It's a lot of how we see things in perspective.
So the theme, the very starting theme, is that there's
some kind of grief that's in the business world for
you that you haven't processed yet, and on some level
(05:26):
you feel stuck. And so the Aid of Swords it
really just says, first of all, you're not stuck. That's
just it's just I like to use the analogy of
it's like you're trapped in a room and you're trying
to break down this door and it's not budging.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
I'm feeling the whole day. Maybe yeah, it's grief, but
it's kind of grief, you know, just like the all
the leaves are falling down, and just you I'm getting.
Just just relax and allow allow inner guidance, allow flow
(06:03):
to to lead you. Maybe it's about you know, when
I want it. Okay, I want this, I want that,
but actually it's not for my highest pass. It's something
like like maybe ego stubbornness, personnelities, something like I really
(06:24):
have to go to let go of final I want
to be that way or no way, some kind of
pattern determination and and allow myself to be guided with
you know, with divine, fully guided with the divine flow,
fully flow with divine, and it doesn't matter anything, you know,
(06:49):
marketing metrics or something like that. I feel it. It
doesn't matter. And the message what I'm actually getting you
from you, what I got just from you, from this,
what you say it is, it doesn't matter, just be
you and things are opening like this moment, you know,
(07:10):
because people in marketing focused on like it's something in
determination I feel, but please continue, maybe I will get
a deeper clarity.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Yeah, what you're describing, which actually does align here, is
more like an ego death is letting go of you know,
that control aspect that again we all have, and learning
how to surrender, which makes a lot of sense from
this aspect, because you know, the grief is like the
death right is that you have to let go of
that control and that need to you know, we think
(07:41):
we want certain things, but when we actually relinquish it,
other things come in that even better than we could
have ever imagined. Right, and then the aid of swords.
You know, the biggest invitation of a sorts is realizing
that there's many avenues forward and getting like that bird's
eye view versus feeling like you're stuck in the trees.
And so I feel like that that makes a lot
(08:03):
of sense. Is it's just the sense of like learning
how to see all the avenues without feeling like you
have to pick one or it has to be one way.
It's like, you know it could be however, it's time
going to be guided.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Oh got it, God, I just got got this message.
It's like all the way of pushing, you know, doing
three hours working on debt, finishing tasks, like I have
to let it go and follow follow the energy fully.
You know, I was like disciplined and programmed. I have
(08:37):
to feel this kind of tasks. But maybe what you're
saying the message is let go of needing to for
needing to to work with force. You know, it's not
it's exhausting. It's exhausting, but just allow just allowed to
(08:58):
come to magnetize. That's what I'm getting from your words.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Yeah, I could definitely see that, and I would say
that the grief piece is the letting go. It's the
trusting the process and you know, again letting go of
a piece of yourself that feels that need to control
it right, and it's learning how to release that part
which has probably been with you your whole life, so
there will be some grief around it. Looking at your
recent past, we have the King of Wands, and this
(09:26):
is interesting because usually I see this one more in
the present or future that I see in the past.
So that tells me that there's been moments in your
in your recent past with your business where you really
felt i would say, in completely in your flow, where
you felt like the sky was the limit, nothing was
holding you back. You were completely comfortable with creating your own.
You're like your own instead of following other people's footsteps,
(09:49):
you're creating your own trail, and you're like, well, I'm
gonna do it the way that I feel called even
if everyone else is going the main way over here,
I'm going to go make my own trail this way.
And so I feel like this is almost more of
a reminder to you that that's that fire and that
passion and that leadership that used to in the past
really drive you. It's still there. It hasn't gone anywhere,
(10:11):
and so I feel like this is just reminding you,
like remember the time that you felt like you weren't
in that surrender place where you didn't have to cause
I'm kind of feeling especially when you're mentioned like marketing
and all the different things like those are like they
feel like the kind of like the have to's for
less entrepreneurs, right, And there's a lot of ways I
tell you should do it, you know, and so it
(10:32):
can feel overwhelming when it's like, well, you should do
it this way, or you should do it this way.
And I feel like this is just reminding you that
there was a point in time where you didn't feel
like you needed to do the cookie cutter marketing. You
just kind of listen to yourself, listen to your intuition
and doors just naturally opened. So I feel like there
might have been a part of you that kind of
got drawn back into the marketing traps, so to speak, of,
(10:53):
well you should do it this way to get successful,
and you kind of lost that, not lost, it's still there,
but you kind of like lost sight of the part
of you that just listen to your own intuition and
just paved your own trail.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Yeah. Yeah, but mainly, mainly I listen to my intuition,
and I easily get excited around something and then okay,
you know, so it's a reminder listen to your intuition.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Yeah, absolutely. And so your present card, which I absolutely love,
is the sixth of ones, And so this one is
just it's a reminder that you don't have to, like
as far as your work, as far as like taking
time to celebrate yourself and honor yourself. Remember that you
don't have to earn that. Remember that that's just something
(11:45):
that's that's just your birthright to celebrate honor yourself, whether
you reach certain goals or not, whether you get out
of bed that morning or not, Like you are worthy
of celebrating honor yourself as you are without conditions, and
so especially with you know, the aid of Swords and
your theme along with the griep, I feel like there's
definitely like this part of you that's almost bought into
(12:07):
this idea of Okay, so I have to do this,
like the checklists, like I have to do this and
this and this and this and this, and then I
can celebrate myself. And it's like, no, you can celebrate
yourself as you are right now unconditionally because you you're here,
You you exist simply because you exist. And so I
feel like that's almost tying back into that intuition part,
(12:28):
because when we lose sight of like not just our whys,
I feel like, you know your why is, it's more
like when you lose sight of like your your inner fire,
it's kind of like you you you kind of put
on the back burner like, oh, I have to earn
it and high your selves Like no, no, bring that
back up here. You don't have to earn that. You
just you just get to celebrate yourself as you are.
(12:49):
And when you're able to do that, then you're I
think your intuition is wide open at that point because
you're already trusting yourself because you're already like your self.
Love is right there on the like front and center,
if that makes sense.
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Speaker 3 (13:56):
Yes, and I also feel lately, particularly this summer, I
felt the residues of a victim game is showing me.
Like this morning, I told myself, okay, wake up at
let's say eight am, it's evening in my place, and
then I just wanted to lay down, you know, to
(14:19):
enjoy the morning in my bed, and I sensed here
a little like guilt, okay, And I just said, oh,
you know that this residues of this victim game, of
this punishing, you're not you're not doing what you should
suppose to do. So what I'm getting from your reading
(14:42):
is that really that the tiniest residue of victim game
is really ready to release, to be released and to
the time, ready to be in my flow, in my
relaxation and trusting one hundred percent that everything is just
(15:03):
as it should be, like this conversation. And so that's
what I got from this grief, like this old patterns,
old self is still still wants wants to hold and
now okay, I love you and you can go. It's okay,
(15:24):
it's okay to go.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Yes. And you know what, that perfectly leads us to
the future cards, because it almost is like doubling down
on that message for you. So your near future card
is the Moon, and your hi self message to the
new near future card is the eighth of cups reversed.
So the Moon is all about surrender. That's like the
(15:48):
biggest surrender card it's it's a walk of faith, it's knowing.
It's basically going on a walk in the moonlight where
you only have the moonlight to guide you, which means
you can only see a couple feet in front of you.
You're still walking because you're trusting that something else is
guiding the moonlight for you, and you're trusting you're not
going to walk off a cliff like you're just like, Okay,
something bigger has my back, and so I don't understand
(16:11):
what's happening. I don't understand where I'm going, but I'm
going to trust that whatever higher power I believe in
is going to get me there. And so I feel
like that's like what you're being kind of invited to
step into is more of that surrender which we've kind
of already touched on since the beginning of the reading.
So the higher self message, I mean, yeah, the higher
self message to the near future being the aid of
Cups reversed. This is very similar to that grief card,
(16:35):
very similar. It's so grief is more about processing the grief,
whereas aight of Cups is more about the conscious decision
to leave something behind because something better is waiting for you.
And it is reverse, which means there is a part
of you that's kind of cleaning onto that. So if
the grief represents letting go of like that ego death
and letting go of the victim mentality and releasing it
(16:57):
so you can surrender and trust the process, the part
of you that's still like afraid to let go, and
there's some emotional investment in it too, because the cops
that's all about emotions, and so there's an emotional investment too,
probably that guilt, to that victim mentality. And it's like,
I know it sounds counterintuitive, but most of us have
(17:18):
used that victim mentality and it has been like our
best friend for most of our lives. So even if
it's not you know, even if it's not productive, there's
still almost like a because a lot of times there
was a coping mechanism, right, So there's still kind of
an emotional attachment to it, even if you've chosen I
know this isn't good for me anymore. So I feel
like it's saying that, you know, the biggest invitation is
to surrender and to lean into letting go, lean into emotionally.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Releasing exactly what I experienced this summer as well, I
had a lot of insights. So with my friends, you know,
they're my mirrors. They're showing me if it's if I
feel triggered by someone, then it's something that needs to
be released. And I noticed holding onto story, holding onto
(18:06):
story and not being able to let it go, you know,
and okay, I let it go. And now I think
what I'm getting it's time to really, honestly one hundred
percent let go of old stories of being heard being whatever.
(18:28):
You know, in relationship, we had many this kind of entanglement.
Just let go of old stories. Don't don't hold it
second more than you you know, it comes and go.
So what I'm getting what you're telling me with this card,
it's to be fully transparent, like just things that are
(18:52):
going through me, not holding onto anything. Whether it is
good or it is bad, it doesn't matter. Just okay,
okay it is so it let it go. Not being
attached to outcomes, to people, to what will happen next,
not being attached to success stories, not being attached to anything.
(19:19):
I think that's that's the message you you were actually
reflecting to me about being fully transparent and really let
go of all attachments yeah, breathing and breed out, don't hold, don't.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Like this, definitely see that, and especially with that cops.
It's it is about releasing emotional attachments. I mean, it
could just be one attachment, it could be several. But
if in this case a bits more of that, because
that's what victim and healthy is. It's a storytelling, right,
It's the stories we tell ourselves around you know, whatever.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
The situation, I'm getting what underneath your words, you know,
releasing emotional attachments. If people in my presence, like I
do clearings, have a beautiful revelation whatever, it's not about you.
You know, it's not you who is doing that. You're
just a channel and your job is to be a
(20:18):
clear channel to heal, to clear all these residues, this trauma,
this stock energy. That's the only thing you need to do.
And if people are getting that result, it's not on you.
And also if people are not getting results, it's not
(20:38):
because of you. You're clear channel. So that's what I
received from you, So thank you for showing me that.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
So there's two more cards here, and I feel like
this is more like kind of the tool belt to
help you through this because I mean it's really easy
to talk about releasing attachments and ego deaths in theory.
Righting it and actually doing it are two different things
because it's not always as easy to just do it right.
That's the work, and so I feel like this is
more like the tool built to help you lean into
(21:09):
that release. So the next one is the Eight of Sorts, sorry,
the Ace of Sorts reversed. And so I love that
this is reverse because it does it does show that
you have a really solid awareness. So it is saying
that you understand that, like the biggest tool you have
to release and to lean into surrender is your mindset.
That is the biggest tool to work in your favor.
(21:30):
Because the Ace of Sorts is all about the mind
and how we use it. And so it can either
you know, in the victim mentality, right, it's more when
the when the thoughts I like it's called the negative
thought trained will just take over in spiral and you
just kind of lose control of it. Right, So for you,
it's like you're really good at catching your train. Like
when your train starts a spiral, you're like, oh no,
I'm not going in that direction. We're going to go
(21:51):
this direction. And using it more for you than you know,
against you, And so I feel like it's leting you know,
like first of all, like your mind is your biggest tool.
You're already using it correct and to just keep doing that,
keep being aware, keep being mindful, like that's going to
be your biggest tool to catch yourself. So it's easier
to let go and release, even if it's just in
like baby steps right when you're like, oh, nope, I
see it now that I'm going to release, and then
(22:12):
the next thing unfolds and you're like, oh, I see it. Release,
you know, but being able to be aware, present and
mindful of that. And then the next one is the
Queen of Cops reversed, and I feel like this is
just kind of leaning more into that surrender energy that like,
but this is more so there has been a lot
of you know, surrender following higher power. I feel like
(22:37):
the Queen of Cups is more about like just rooting
back to yourself on a very deeply emotional level. So
the Queen of Cups, she is a beautiful guide. She's
like a natural EmPATH. People kind of see her almost
as like a mother figure. So you know, people come
and share what's going on, and you tend to be
that wise like feminine advice for those that need you,
(22:59):
which makes a lot of sense with the work that
you do. And so when it's reversed, it's just saying
that you're doing that for everyone else, but you're not
fully taking the time to do that for you. So
the way that you are there for others, you start
being there for you. And that starts with like getting
really rooted in your own emotional career.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Got it, got it exactly what I became aware like
maybe two or three days, maybe a week ago. My
main role was savior role. Okay, we switched between savior villain, victim.
But I noticed that in a relationship with my friends
when they didn't ask me. Let's say they they are
(23:40):
talking about something, maybe they need help or I offered,
but I was not invited. So what I learned just
hold your energy, don't go into don't go where you
are not invited. And what I'm getting what you were
saying saying, it's become aware of that subtle, subtle energetic
(24:07):
taste if someone feeled is inviting me or not inviting me.
Maybe if you feel someone and it may sound like
they ask you for advice, but energy is no, no, no,
I'm not ready to hear it. And in that case,
I have to practice. And you correctly reminded me. Thank you.
(24:32):
Practice discernment practice and don't waste your life energy where
you are not invited, because you are wasting your energy.
But just be quiet, just observe, be in your observer mode.
I believe that's the that's the most important practice I
(24:54):
need to do in next you know, to be an expert,
to be a neutral witness. You know, just to feel
that energy, to feel if the field is invited me
to speak or to be quiet, to keep that silence,
and not to be afraid of silence. You know, not
(25:15):
to jump. By the way, this Friday, I have this
free call and the topic is let's clear fear of silence,
because sometimes I notice in my in my life, you know,
when there is an awkward silence, I often need to
jump to save the silence. You know, not to be
in that when people feel silence not pleasant. You know
(25:41):
there's a topic and that's what you what you showed me.
You know, practice neutral, neutral witnessing and feel when you
are invited and when you are not invited. It's just
a subtle stuff.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Yeah, So that that makes a lot of sense, and
you know that kind of that protecting your energy and
your emotional capacity, I would say the only other aspect
to that is also making space for your own self
care to also make sure because there could also be
times where maybe you feel called to step in and
give out your energy, but are you replenishing it on
(26:18):
your side as well, So kind of that's it's the
only thing I'd add to that. But otherwise, yeah, being
able to have some boundaries and emotional boundaries to protect
your energy. And because it doesn't always, like you said,
some people are not ready to hear advice or you know,
feedback on their situation, right, and then that can affect
(26:40):
your own energy when it comes back at you when
you can kind of feel it wasn't invited or welcomed. Yes,
So I would say as a whole, a lot of
what I'm getting is just this huge invitation for an
ego death and which comes with, like you said, letting
go of victim mentality, letting go of stories and narratives,
and you know that's going to come with great that
(27:01):
there's there are emotional attachments that you're going to You're
being called to release, and through that, the biggest invitation
is for you to surrender. Remember to listen to your intuition,
follow the passion and what lights you up. But don't
feel like you have to do it in a cookie
cutter away right, taking your own blazing your own trail,
and just remembering that your mindset and your emotional capacity
(27:23):
is is really your biggest tool through those things.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Thank you you just said what I what the sounds
very familiar and with my topics this summer ball, so
I'm just receiving reflections. So thank you for reminding me
that I'm on the right path. Thank you for that,
and to remind me the what's my next steps to
(27:50):
take care of myself and my energy and to be authentic.
That's basically what I understood from you words.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Yeah that's a lot. Yeah, that's exactly what it is.
So again, thank you so much for taking the time
to be be featured on my podcast. And I'm just
so excited we got to connect, and yeah, thank you
for being here.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Thank you very much for having me and for giving
me such a wonderful reading.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Thank you for joining me on another inspiring episode. Remember
your purpose is a unique and unfolding path. I hope
these conversations have ignited a spark within you. Until next time,
keep exploring, growing, and embracing the beautiful adventure of connecting
with your purpose. Stay tuned for more meaningful conversations. If
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