September 30, 2024 • 58 mins
Cindy and Alison sit down to talk all about the different types of spirits. They also talk about some of the characteristics of each. Also Some of the activity that occurs at Alisons house.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to Spooky, a paranormal podcast. Join doctor Cindy Little
and Alison robles as they journey through the realms of
the supernatural, mysterious, and downright Earie, from ghostly apparitions to poltergeists,
from haunted houses to strange phenomena. Prepare to have your
senses heightened and your beliefs challenged. It's time to grab
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your headphones, dim the lights, embrace yourself for a journey
into the unknown. If you dare, welcome to Spooky Everybody today,
your hosts, Cindy Little and Allison Roblez. We're going to
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be talking about different types of paranormal activity, mainly apparitions, hauntings,
and poultergeists. And we're going to be talking about some
other stuff as well, and i'd like to get to
that first. We went on a little kind of mini
ghost hunt this this past week Alison and I with
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Robbie and Janet and Brian. It was a lot of fun.
We tried out your new spirit box, yeah, and then
we went over to the Alaco Building, which is a
very famous building here in Waco that's got like crazy
amounts of security. Yeah, and it's also crazy haunted. It's
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one of our spots we'd love to get into and investigate.
So we asked the security guard, excuse me, I guess
Alison asked the security guard and all she got was
a new headshake and a dirty look, and so that
was I was.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
But it's okay, I.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Was said too. But then we we hopped over to
the Cultivate seven twelve. It's a little art venue here
in Waco. It's really cool and funky, and Allison knows
people at Cultivates, so we got to go down into
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their basement area, which is really really cool, and do
a little bit of hunting. So, yeah, go ahead. What
do you think of all that?
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Well, it's interesting that it seems like it was quiet
as far as stuff coming through the spear box, but
there was unfortunately event on the main floor, so it
was very loud on those aspects.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Yes, there was a band. I don't know what kind
of band that was. They were very loud.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
I yeah it was who knows. I mean, it was
just very noisy, living people.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Very noise. I like that, very noisy living. Yeah, you
had this band that was like really really loud, and
all these people like jumping and shaking heads and doing
dancy things. It was. It was very unusual.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Yeah, so I mean, you know, had to get past
the busy living, but a busy living, busy noisy living. Yeah,
so we had to get past them. And then it
was Undercroft's one of those weird places.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Undercroft is the name of that basement area, right, I
didn't know that, Yes, okay.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
So it's basically, uh speakeasy that up until where Cultivate is.
It was originally part of Hippodrome. Just to give a
little back story, and there are actually running tunnels, which
fun fact, Hippodrum will deny that they have because of
safety reasons, which is understandable, but that you all used
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to be connected with the tunnels. They're now sealed off.
And when they did get sealed off, they became it
became the original bakery, so one of the first bakeries
in Waco. And when you go down there, you can
see the ovens and a lot of the original stuff
that's down there because there's just too big to get
through the doorway, so it's there the elevator shaft and
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that was that was that was that was Yeah, that
was interesting.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Yeah, and there's yeah, there's some really weird looking mechanical
equipment down there. It was like going into Freddy Krueger's basement.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
A little bit.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Yeah, uh with all that mechanical stuff. And yeah, that
sealed off elevator shaft that was just basically kind of
a pit over there.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
That that was a little bit creepy.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
And I thought what was interesting was that Robbie had
us turn the lights off. I remember that, and then
it was not even two minutes I'd say maybe five
minutes tops, and he's a I needed to turn the
lights back on. I remember that, and I was like, oh, okay,
that was kind of quick but great.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
And he had said, I'm getting kind of like stir
of echo vibes.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Yeah I have. Yeah, And he's referring to that movie,
that old movie with Kevin Bacon's stir of echoes, and
I remember seeing it like years ago, and I can't
really remember what it was about, but Robbie said something about, oh,
they find this like dead person in the walls or something.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah. So it's the concept is Kevin Bacon's character starts
to hear voices, doesn't know where it's coming from, is
starting to look for it and ends up starting in
his backyard and like digging his backyard, and then eventually
goes inside and just starts basically tearing tearing down walls.
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English is a great language.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Yeah, underrated.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
So he starts to tear down walls and finds human
remains within the walls of his house. So that's kind
of like why he was referring to the whole stir
of Echo's kind of concept makes sense.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Yeah, I don't remember any of that, and I swear
to you I did watch the movie, but I'm terrible
at remembering movie plots. So yeah, he was really insistent
about that.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Yeah. I ended up texting Debbie the next day asking.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
By the way, is a dead body in the basement?
Speaker 2 (06:28):
I was like, how much of the history of Undercroft
do you know outside of what you do know? And
so She's like, well, nothing really, I just the bakery
connected to the hippodrome and stuff like that. So I
was like, I wonder if we can research or see
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if we could pull deeds of cultivate to figure out information.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
I you know the person too. I'm gonna give a
shout out to one of my friends here and you
know her too. Shannon Gamble she's a local realtor and
she is a Waco history fanatic, and if anybody would
know where to look for things like deeds or you know,
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historical documents related to some of the properties downtown, it
would be her.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yeah, because that'll be interesting because I know that even
Robbie was saying that he was interested in going back, yeah,
to see if he can pull more information when it's quieter. Yeah,
So that'll be interesting and see if we can get information.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Can you imagine I just had a thought because of
those big ovens. Ooh, I wonder if somebody was like baked,
like you know, was killed and then put in one
of those ovens to get rid of the body.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
That's a little terrifying.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
That is a little terrifying. But you know, if it's
a speakeasy, you know, back in the toes or something
some gangster, Oh my gosh, y, could you imagine that is?
Speaker 2 (08:09):
You know, it kind of makes you think though, because well, I.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Mean Robbie comes down there and he's really psychically sensitive.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Oh yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
We've got all these big brick ovens. Yeah, and there's
a body in the wall, or he feels like there's
a body or bones in the wall.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yeah, and I noticed that he even had like the
ashes that were in there.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
I don't know how long they've been there, but I
remember seeing him pick it up and like trying to
see if he got anything. I don't know if he
got anything, but I remember seeing him do that.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
So he was drawn to the ashes in the ovens.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
I don't know if there is any rhyme or reason
to it, or if it was just to see if
he could pick anything up. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
I just remember seeing him do that.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
I didn't see him do that. Well, at the very least,
we got a good horror story here. Yeah, but why
that would be something.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
It'll be interesting, and to see if there's anything spooky.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Yeah, because you were getting spooky vibes too.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Yeah. I'm not a big fan of being down there
by myself for any length of time. I don't know why,
but I'm just not.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Well, you know, it's a creepy basement. Yeah, it's kind
of dusty and all this big mechanical Freddy Krueger looking stuff,
and you know.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
It is very terrifying to look it down there. Yeah,
I mean it's it's a cool vibe, but it's seeing
the old running equipment. Yeah, it's like, okay, maybe not
so cool.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
It's spooky, yeah, very spooky. Yeah, let's see what else.
Oh yeah, yeah, before we get to the operations and
all that stuff. We we grabbed coffee beforehand, and you
were just casually mentioning some of the stuff in your
haunted house. You've been telling me all this time, Oh yeah,
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my house is haunted. You know, just really kind of
casual offhand, and then you're like telling us all this
crazy stuff. So, what's the deal with your haunted house?
You know it's your husband's not listening to this izzy.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
I really hope you won't. Yeah, but knowing him, there's
no telling. Which speaking of night lights, back, I told
you this that night and the night light came back. Oh.
He managed to go about a week and I guess
he had a bad dream and he walked up to
me and he's like, do we have any more batteries?
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And he's holding the night light.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
It's this pitiful little oliver twisted Please, do we have
any batteries?
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Yeah, And so we have like one of those wooden bars,
and so I was like, yeah, it's in that bar,
in one of the drawers. He's like, okay, So he
now is sleeping with the night light again.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
He's been permanently scarred.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Oh it's joyful. It's joyfully.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Yeah, you're sitting here laughing about it. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
What's funny is this? One One night I ended up
turning it off because I I'm one of those weirdos.
I like darkness. Yeah, so I turned it off and
it was bothering him that the night light was off.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
It was that bad. Huh yeah, oh.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Man, He's like, I didn't sleep much because the light
was off. And I was like, you're fine, you're thrown, man,
You're fine.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Like, man up, honey, and he's.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Like, no, I needed it. It's like okay, whatever.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Oh whatever. Yeah, well, all the more reason that you know,
hopefully he won't listen to this. But what are some
of the things that have happened in your house?
Speaker 2 (12:03):
So it's probably not the greatest idea to investigate in
your own house.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
No, I wouldn't recommend it because you have to live there.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Yeah, I'm just dumb enough to do it, but also
just smart enough to know when to stop.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
So I have found out that there is someone named
Beth living in my house. I also found out there
there is potentially a basement underneath the basically concrete slab
in my backyard, but Beth had told me to stop
asking about it because whoever's down there or whatever's down there,
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it was getting pissed off that I was asking about it.
They basically want it left alone and pretend like nobody
knows about it.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Is there a way to get into that basement no
other than digging through the Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
There's no sign of like getting down there. But it's weird,
like if the little pantry, I have one of those
like built ten pantries, and there's like an electrical socket
right next to all the stuff. So I was like,
and you can tell it was covered, hmmm. So I
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was like, why is there just magically an electrical thing
that's covered? But whatever, it's there.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Okay, I'm just gonna lave this alone.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
And I see I see a lot of shadows back
and forth in my kitchen, which is where that electrical
socket is, as if like people are coming in and out.
I see that a lot. Pretty early on into us
moving there, I knew my husband was gone. I was
leaving and I heard like a hey or a hi.
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Oh wow, And mentally I was just like oh and
then I stopped. I was like, wait a minute, it
it's just me. My husband's gone. And I looked back.
I was like, hi, I gotta go to work. And
then I just kept going.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
So I it sounded like a man figure though, like
a man male voice.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Yeah, baby.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
So I was like, okay, cool, wow, Yeah, but that
house is old. It's nineteen thirty five, so you know,
it's been through.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Some stuff, it's seen some things.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yeah, And I was telling y'all that night that that
whole neighborhood is older. My I'm on this catty corner
neighbor is nineteen thirty the house behind us is nineteen forty,
so with all within the same little decade.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Yeah. So yeah, yeah, it's.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
It's interesting, lots of footsteps, little creeks. But I just
kind of blow it off as house settling.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
An old house.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
It's an old house, and it's just settling. I think, whatever, it's.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Okay, keep telling yourself that, keep telling your husband that
that's just an old house. That whole basement thing, now.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
That's intriguing. I don't know, and I always I did
ask Beth. It's been a while since I've talked to her,
but the last time I talked to her, she said
that a lot of people like to hang out in
the kitchen.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Now, who's Beth? Is she a friend of yours?
Speaker 2 (15:32):
She's a spirit?
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (15:34):
A spirit? She's a spirit? Oh? Okay, Yeah, So I
I don't know what time period she's from. I really don't,
but I just know that she's here.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Interesting and.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Another kind of quick, dark story.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
That's why we're here.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
So we the previous owner was trying to sell the house.
It was on the market for four years or not
four or four months. She was in I believe, hospice
and she signed the papers the next day we signed it,
and I think it was the next day or two
days after we signed she passed away.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Yeah, so it was a matter of days, like twenty
four or forty eight hours after we signed she passed.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Wow. It's kind of like the passing of the house.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Yeah. And my realture was even saying, had she died
even before y'all signed it, like she could have signed
it and then passed away, And he was like, this
would have been a totally different situation, huh, because like
even though she had signed it, it basically would have
gone to her next akin, and then her next to
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Ken could have said, we're not selling it, We're gonna
keep it.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Oh wow. Yeah. It's almost kind of like it was
meant to be, yeah, for you, for you to get
the house.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
So it was kind of like, okay, cool, it's a
little dark. I don't think I needed to know that,
but thanks.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yeah, thank you some of that information. It's like, what
am I going to do with this other than being uncomfortable?
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Yeah, it's like is she knowing that?
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Like, oh it could be yeah, she could still be
hanging around.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Yeah, I mean, to be fair, of the house was
empty for four months. Well actually the house was empty
correction for six months because she was using it as
a rental.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Home empty quote unquote Yeah, yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, I
don't know. I think places hold energy so and other
things too.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
So I don't know. I mean, yeah, yes, the house.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Yeah, you get a house, maybe some extra residence, maybe
maybe a creepy basement somewhere.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Who knows. Wow, but apparently it's meant to be left alone.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
That's weird. Well, you know, I think you're smart. I mean,
because there again, you're living there. I would not want
to investigate my house. My house is built in nineteen
forty seven, and and you know, there's some there's some
weird noises and things that I hear, and I'm like,
you know what, I'm just not even going to not
even going to go there.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Yeah, I think. I don't know. I feel like it
just needs to be at some point, you do have
to traw that line. It's like, is this something I
want to do.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Yeah, I don't know. I wouldn't protect my peace, you know,
when I come home, I don't want ghostly activity bothering me.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
I think I need to protect a husband's.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Yeah, there you go, There you go, Smarty, that's the
situation I'm in.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
My piece is a I want to keep looking. I
want to know more.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
But yeah, and I can understand that too. But yeah,
for me, I don't know. I've always just been that's
my house. Now, this is my place where I'm just
going to rest. And if there's anything here, you know,
just shut up and mind your business and I'll mind
mine and we'll be good. We'll be good.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Wonders maybe in you know, twenty thirty years, that's all will.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Be yeah, be haunting people by Allison. You can go
home now wherever home is.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
And I'll being good. Peace.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Yeah, please Can I stay?
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Can I just sit and watch TV with you, eat
my ghostly popcorn.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Something like that. Oh my gosh. Anyway you were asking,
I was like getting ideas from you and thinking about
today's episode, and you mentioned and I can really geek
out about this, so please jump in anytime. Different types
of activity, and in general, this is like totally in general,
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it falls into three categories. And so we've got residual
haunt activity, apparitional activity, and poltergeist activity.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
I was doing a little bit more research today after
coming back from a photo shoot, and so I was
like geeking out what you were saying. Geeking out. I
was like, but there's this, then there's this, Oh but
what if you have this? And then I'm like, wait, no,
stop it. Three categories, stop it no.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
And it's funny because yeah, well I'll mention all that
because when I was taking parapsychology classes at the Ryan
Research Center. You can do those online. I highly recommend it.
And that's like the oldest parapsychology center here in the US,
and they do all kinds of parapsychology classes, and yeah,
it is cool, it's really cool. And so that's what
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we were taught is, you know, okay, here's the three
main types of activity. And I'm thinking, okay, nice, simple
cut and dried. No, not even close. Oh yeah, yeah,
not even close. But in general, the residual activity is
sometimes called place memory, where it's almost like there's an
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energetic imprint in the environment or a recording that will
play over and over again. And so you think of
like Gettysburg has a lot of residual activity where tourists
will go to the battlefield and they'll hear you know,
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screaming and cannon fire and you know, rules and things,
you know, war stuff, and and that just plays over
and over again because somehow the environment, best we can tell,
somehow the environment just kind of recorded those sounds during
a really really traumatic time. Yeah, and the other way
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things get recorded that way, it seems like when they're
really really repetitive. I remember going on a case once
where it was just this is a private home here
in Waco, and Grandma had recently died and her ashes.
They had her urn sitting under the TV set in
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the living room.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Because Wanda should be sitting because Okay, I can understand,
you know, people keep their their ashes and the remains,
you know, of loved ones in the house, but it's
like there's this afterthought.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
It was like stuck under the TV.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
I have no rooms because so I think I kind
of told you that. A few months ago, my husband
and I unfortunately had to put our dog down. Yeah,
and so we have his ashes and it's where are
they in a very unusual spot on our fireplace mantle?
Speaker 1 (23:19):
What.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Yeah, it's so that's why I was like, I have
no room to talk. Our dog's ashes are just on
our fireplace, like dead center and on the fireplace mantle.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
I'm just thinking of, you know, when Santa comes and
here's the stockings, and you know, maybe he'll leave like
a little bone on top of the urn.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
What's funny is that we had yet to take down
our Christmas stockings, so it's literally in between our Christmas stockings.
And I'm like, yeah, that seems like a great place.
And then my husband that seems like a terrible place. Oh,
and I'm like he's in the middle of the house.
He's protecting us. He's a ghost Doggie detecting us is all.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
He's like, where's my nightlight? And I'm like, but yeah, place, Okay, Well,
I mean that's a that's not too bad. I mean
I look at that and it's like, oh, you loved
your puppy dog and and his his ashes are in
a place of honor. Well, we'll look at it that way.
I'm trying to spin it. Here, this place of honor
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on top of the fireplace, you know, home and hearth
Santa Stockings.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Yeah, I mean I don't know, sure, sure, sure, it's
not even a house that he lived in.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Oh well, nonetheless, so maybe it's given him a view
of this new place.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
You know.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Yeah, I don't know, but hey, I mean it's better
than the ashes that are in the organ at the
Palace Theater, you know, the organist. Yeah, you know, kind
of duck back there in an Amazon shipping box.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Rob. We really need to fix this. I'm gonna call you.
We need to mix. Yeah, hopefully before next para pair
of you, but probably not gonna happen, but we need
to fix that. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Yeah, And it's like I didn't dig inside the shipping
box to see the actual urn, but you know, it's like,
come on. I don't know, anyway, we'll start picking on
the palace people. But yeah, Grandma. Anyway, back to my story,
Grandma is in this urn, just kind of stuffed under
the TV set in the living room, and you know,
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I'm like okay, and they're like, we keep seeing Grandma
walking past the TV every night. And I'm like, okay,
all right, well that makes sense. And I look outside
and there's like this, you know, uh, there's the house,
the living room with the TV, and then you walk
in directly into the kitchen, and then there's there's like
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a sliding door, and then you went out to this
like little garden area outside in the back yard. And
I said, hey, you know, because they said she's always
walking past the TV through the kitchen out to the backyard.
And I'm like okay, And and I said, did she
liked you have a really nice garden? Did she liked
a garden? And they're like, oh, my gosh, yes, she
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was always going out to the garden. And so I'm like, okay,
this is probably some residual activity because Grandma just repeatedly
probably took that same path over and over and over
again through the house to go out through the kitchen
to the garden.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
So I have heard and bite heard. I mean, I
watch Kindred Spirits, which pretty good, y'all have gotten me into.
That's pretty good. But I have heard that people like
in one of the episodes, they're like, oh, same scenario.
Grandma always is always in the kitchen. She's always in there.
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She's in. They're like, well, did she cook a lot?
Like and they're like yeah, and they're like it kind
of lines up, and so you know, at the end,
it was she's good. She's just doing what she always
knows what to do. She's cooking, making sure y'all are
fed and everything. So I'm in, I don't know what
a ghost could feed humans.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Yeah, but I don't know, just come up with something.
It's grandma, right, they're always cooking something. So yeah. But yeah,
so that I look at that, and so you know,
if Grandma was actually like interacting with the people, I
could see that it's more like an aparitional thing. But yeah,
in the in my case, it was she didn't pay
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attention to anybody, She didn't interact with anybody. A lot
of times residual stuff will be like footsteps, you know,
phantom footsteps. They hear that a lot of the palace
that across the stage. You know, you're hearing a lot
of footsteps across the stage. Trying to think of some
other examples. Oh, yeah, the zoo which is haunted as head.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Which again you put a zoo right in the middle
of a haunted wooded area.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
I know Camra Park is haunted. Yeah, and so yeah,
there's crazy zoo stories. But one of them, another residual
one is their education director Connie. She's like, at night,
we have kids that come for the snoozes. They'll have
these like overnights for parties and things. And she says,
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in the education building. I don't know if they're old
education building still there since the penguins came in, but
they would hear the wagon, the feed wagon, because they
had this little red wagon that they would take back
and forth to do stuff with that would you could
hear it rolling across the floor, But it wasn't there,
And I'm like, oh, okay, so late at night you
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could just hear the wagon rolling back and forth across
the floor, which they do a million times during the day.
It's like, oh that's and she's like, is that a ghost?
What does that I go, oh, that's probably just residual energy.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Isn't there a residual energy in one of these libraries?
Speaker 1 (29:11):
I don't know. Probably I could.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Have sworn I've read something about like a residual residence
in one of these libraries.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Really, I know that the Browning Library, I.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Think that's what it was. It was Elizabeth Browning.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Yeah, there's rumors that the ghost of Elizabeth Barrett Browning
haunts that library. I I don't know anything about that
other than I think it's rumors. I did set up
equipment one time years ago in their basement where the
gift shop is, and they did say a worker hung
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himself in the basement of the yeah, of the library,
And so I'm like, oh, okay, if any energy is
coming from anything, I would think it would be from that.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
What you're saying is you need to send your students
there for educational purposes.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
There we go. Yeah, I'll spin it. We'll figure something out.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Hmm.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
How can we get into the Browning Library even though
I don't even teach anything about literature and figure it out?
Speaker 2 (30:21):
I mean, you can sign an essay?
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Oh, there we go, essay, Yeah, an essay air quotes, Yeah,
child development and Elizabeth Barrett Brownie ghosts. See I'll figure
it out. See yeah, I'll figure it out.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Great concepts here in the works.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
There we go. Yeah, okay, I'll have to give that
some thought. But that's the residual stuff, lots of it.
Phantom smells, you know, usually it's the perfume smells or
the cigar smells, things that have just stuck around, and
they don't they aren't really ghosts. They don't really interact
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with anybody. It's it's just energy that just is kind
of stuck around, and people that have more are more
psychically sensitive, pick up on it often a lot more
often than people who aren't.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
And I don't know if it occurred while we were
doing the classes at East Terrence, but you had said
that the parlor had a lot of that, and then
the little section that the I forget her name, but
the lady of the house like her little section. You'd
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smell her perfume, which kind of like ties back into
the whole residual Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Yeah, it's been a while since I've been over at
East Terrace, but yeah, I'm I'm thinking that there has
been residual activity there. There's been kind of weird Poulter
guy stuff there too, like the lights. I've seen the
lights flickering and swinging. So yeah, that's one of our
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historic holms that's pretty haunted. I want to go back there.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
I know that that is a place that's been kind
of itching me to go.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Well. I have to see if we can go back
there because I mean, I have a pretty good relationship
with the director and maybe we can just you know,
pick a time and go and do some ghost hunting
at East Terrace. That'd be fun. Yeah, yeah, let's do it.
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So okay. Anyway, moving on, Apparitions is the other category,
and that's those are the ghosts that we think of
as ghosts. They're the ones that seem to be conscious
and they interact with us and they'll speak to people sometimes.
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I haven't put the shadow people kind of in that category.
They don't seem to be repetitive like a recording. They
seem to be a little more I don't know, independent,
or have will or volition or something.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Yeah, I've heard lots of different like things about shadow people,
but yeah, I feel like they're more kind of you
could clump them.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
With that, I would, I mean, that's just my opinion,
like there's no experts on this stuff. But so, yeah,
they're ghosts, like we think of ghosts. And of course
most people think that ghosts are dead people. That's like
everybody's like, well, duh, they're dead people. And I was like, well,
(33:53):
I don't know. I mean, scientifically, we don't know that
for certain. And I mean, could they be spirits of
dead people? Sure, But I kind of look at it
and say, if you shut yourself off and say this
is absolutely what ghosts are, are spirits of the dead,
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you shut yourself off to other possibilities which could be
closer to the truth. And yeah, and so, and there's
a big debate in the field of parapsychology about consciousness
and whether it survives death, and you know, the whole
deal because you look at apparitions and yeah, a lot
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of times they are people that people recognize and which
makes sense, and they look like just normal people most
of the time until they do something abnormal like walk
through a wall, ye, you know, and then it's like, oh, crap,
that wasn't a person, and the people that were familiar
with it's like, oh, I saw my uncle who died
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five years ago walking through the hall or whatever, and
he you know, tipped his hat to me and all that,
and it's like, well, could that be the spirit of
your dead uncle? I suppose, but it could be maybe
something that you're doing with your mind. You know. We'll
get to that in a minute. And and I mean,
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I don't know. I try to keep a little bit
of an open mind.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
It's it's a little hard, yeah, to do it or
to eat shut it to where it's only like in
that box, because like there, from what I understand, there
is a running theory that shadow people were never people
to begin with, okay, and so or at least there
(35:50):
are certain like portions of shadow people that were never
almost two minutes almost like almost like an elemental when
the Native American belief it was their religion that they
asked the elements to protect the sacred land. But element
tools could be clumped with apparitions. They were never human
(36:14):
to begin with. But in Native American religion, it is
what that is. It's an apparition. You can sometimes physically
see it.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Yeah, but was it human?
Speaker 2 (36:25):
No?
Speaker 1 (36:26):
Good point? Yeah, was it human? What was it? And
I mean, and that's really after all this time and
all the study, we're still figuring out what are ghosts?
What are they? And I don't think they're any one
particular thing. I think they could be many different things
because all the stories are so different. And that's a
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really great story of yeah, these things were never human
and they're part of Native American beliefs. And then you've
got this whole thing of out of body experiences where
you can be your own ghost, where you know, it's
there's a story at the Doctor Pepper Museum about there's
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there's been a couple of experiences like that with employees
where an employee will come in early and they'll see
another employee that they know and they're like, oh, hey, yeah,
you know, and sometimes they'll get silly and make silly faces,
and then they'll be like later on, they'll see them
during the day and they'll be like, hey, you know,
what were you making silly faces at me for this
(37:29):
morning over by the gift shop And they're like, I
just now came in. I haven't even been here, you know.
So that kind of doppleganger type activity, and so that's
a ghost quote unquote or an apparition of a living person.
And then I think, you know, the whole spirits of
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the dead thing. When there's those deathbed apparitions. I tend
to think that might be the case because I look
at when my grandpa died and he was in the
hospital and a few days before he died, the nurses
and hospice nurses have stories like this all the time,
and they came in and he's like, oh, hey, you
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just missed my brothers. They came to visit me. Yeah,
they just left, and his brothers had been dead for
like forty years. And then he died like a couple
days later. So I look at that and I'm like, well,
maybe some of it is spirits of the dead that
are coming back and saying, hey, it's okay, it's okay
to cross over. You know, we're here, We're ready for
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you to come be with us. You know, whatever it.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Is, it's almost like green lighting them. It's like it's.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Okay, yeah, it's like you can let go, you can
go now. It's okay, you're good, You're good. And so
there's lots of or or there's crisis apparitions, and these
are really common stories where a parent will be, you know,
all of a sudden, just jolted away, wake in the
(39:01):
middle of the night and their their son or daughter
will be like, you know, mom, help me, help me now.
And then of course they'll look at their phone or
you know, get a phone call right then that their
child has been in like a car accident or something, so,
you know, and it's and the person, you know, the
kid's still alive, but something bad has happened. And so
(39:24):
people will have those stories as well. So it gets
kind of complicated pretty quick.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
Yeah, And I think to me, it's it's energy. Feel
It's like you just feel it, and it's kind of
like feeling someone else's presence there when they're not actually there. Yeah,
And so it's for me, it's anything that has or
had energy can send off some kind of physical manifestation.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
I totally believe that, I really really do. And the
older I get, the more I believe that we're all
connected in some form or fashion energetically. I don't exactly
know how it works, but but you talk about that
(40:19):
with where we can feel somebody's presence that has passed,
I think we can feel each other's presence, you know,
living people as well, you know where and not you know,
it's like, yes, you're sitting here right in front of me.
I can see you, I can feel your presence. But
you know, I've I've heard stories of well, yeah, you know,
(40:42):
I was just thinking of you and then your phone
rings and you you know, or you get a text
or something from that that person, you know, that type
of stuff, And so there's I look at that and
I'm like, there's some kind of connecting, psychic connecting there
at least that's that's my guess. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
I mean I would agree, and I feel like, especially
with moms and their.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Kids, oh, big time huge.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
It's it's funny how that happens. And there have been
a few times, like while I was in college going
to San Antonio and then here's my mom, what are
you doing? Where are you going? And I'm like, yeah,
are you in my car?
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Mother world?
Speaker 2 (41:30):
Do you have GPS on me? Like what is going? Yes?
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Yeah, it's that mother's intuition. You know. There's there's a
really strong, almost you know, psychic, I guess, connection between
moms and their kids. Yeah. Oh, And a fun fact,
I saw this the other day. I guess I don't
have to look this up to like confirm it, but
(41:55):
I guess there was a study done, you know, where
a baby's like growing in the mom and some how
the baby's DNA will get into the mom's blood stream.
And then even after the baby is born, they have
found that when the mother passes later and they'll do
an autopsy and they will find their child's DNA in
(42:18):
their blood. Still, So I mean there's like this like
genetic connection with with their kids. So I think that's
kind of wild. It is weird. Yeah, and so I
wonder if maybe that's it. It's like you're like really
literally linked. I don't know, we live in a really
(42:41):
weird world. I think I want to be linked. Like
it's too late, your DNA is flowing through her blood
aches and so yeah. But yeah, it's it's like, yeah,
when your kids are stressed or you sense that they're
in trouble, you it's that whole sixth sense thing. Yeah, yikes. Yeah,
(43:04):
and then it's like, oh, I got a call, got
to make sure everything's okay, Yeah, yeah, okay, Well moving along.
Poultergeists are the third big, big category, and that's a
tricky one because poultergeist activity is all of that telekinetic
(43:25):
stuff where objects are moving in the room or you
can hear knocks and bangs, and you know, like in
the South Shields poultergeist case, you know, knives were being
thrown and so parapsychologists in the past have said, well,
you know a lot of that activity is because a
person in the household's really stressed and they're just like
(43:46):
blowing off steam psychically and making all this stuff move around.
But then again, it's like, well, this activity will happen
when the so called you know, central person is gone,
or there'll be some kind of weird communication, or they'll
see apparitions. They'll actually see apparitional figures, you know, walking
(44:11):
around in the in the location, and so it's like, well, yeah,
that's weird.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
Yeah, so I again, Kindred Spirits, there's an episode that
dealt with an apparition called Zombie Boy. Okay, so essentially
what it was is that it's a historic home that
is now a museum, so people would go in and
(44:40):
take pictures and it's like, oh, look we caught zombie
boy and his face was super disfigured and stuff like that. Well,
if nobody lives there, why is this happening? Why are
so many people seeing this? Maybe somebody did die, but
why is he coming across as this like zombie looking person.
(45:05):
So they did an experiment of we're going to create
these fake facts about zombie boy and see if it
almost absorbs that energy, that thought and it takes it
as facts. So one of it was like zombie boy
(45:26):
died in an accident and died because of his injuries.
His dad's Edward, his mom's Beatrice, whatever. Well, later on
in their investigation, all these fake facts were coming up.
They're like, can you tell us your dad's name, Edward?
Can you tell us like what's your favorite piece of equipment?
And it said like it was like all these fake
(45:47):
facts and it's the time and energy that was put
into it. This PK energy just absorbed it and that's
what it became.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
Yeah, they created a ghost, and I mean, yeah, there's
there's the Daniel experiment and the Philip experiment. I think
I've mentioned those before. The Philip experiment back in the
nineteen seventies, a bunch of parapsychologists in Canada. Yeah, they
created a ghost and gave it a backstory and everything,
and you know, knew it was totally fake. And the
(46:17):
Daniel experiment same thing. It was just a different group
and yeah, they would start communicating. It's like, hey, can
you knock, and pretty soon they you know, they would
hear knocks for you know, once for yes, twice for no.
The table they would sit around with their fingers on
the table, you know, kind of almost seancey like, and
the table would start tipping, the table would start moving. So, yeah,
(46:41):
their energy created a ghost. And I look at that,
and you look at a lot of our haunted places
that are you know, open to the public where they're
like doing tours and investigations and people know the story. Oh,
(47:02):
this is the story of you know, yeah, zombie Boy.
You know, this is the house where zombie Boy lives.
And they're they're putting that energy into that environment and
that that story, and yeah, something could be there. It
sounds like they did a great job kind of showing
(47:22):
that that is just absorbing it and getting stronger and
stronger and stronger. So in a sense, we could be creating.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
Yeah, And it's always one of those you put the
time and energy into something, it's gonna eventually become bigger.
Like if you are stressed and you continue to stress
over that one thing, you then become even more stressed,
and it becomes way bigger than what it is. Absolutely,
(47:53):
and it could be something as simple as I'm looking
for my pen, where's this pin? Mm hmm, Well you're
because you're putting the time, the energy and finding that pen. Yeah,
it becomes a bigger thing. That's kind of like how
all this PK stuff ends up. Oh yeah, my opinion,
how a lot of it starts.
Speaker 1 (48:12):
Oh yeah. And there's actually the Ryan Research Center that
I was talking about earlier. They've done experiments where you know,
when you're like really super stressed and you have to
get something done on the computer and you get sit
down at the computer and you're really really stressed. You're
under this big deadline, and that's when the computer starts
(48:33):
acting up and you're like, oh, dang it. You know,
we've all been there, and it's like no, they're saying
there is some kind of psychical energy or can be
that is impacting that device. I mean, in a sense,
it's kind of a self fulfilling prophecy. You're the one
because you're so stressed and you're so focused on you know,
(48:57):
getting this paper done or whatever it is, and so
worried that the computer is gonna start acting up. That
somehow we don't exactly know how you're influencing that, and
you're almost causing it.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
And it's funny, how because I have a saying that
you get what you give, so you get what However,
that looks like you get the energy that you're giving.
And it kind of goes back to it like the
whole computer. If you're gonna if you're giving these stressed Oh,
(49:31):
I really hope this computer works, and then you're gonna
get exactly that because you're sending that energy out and
it has to go somewhere, so it's not gonna go
back into you. Nope, it's sent out. And so it's like, well,
there's that computer that's sitting right there.
Speaker 1 (49:48):
And you're really focused on it.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:51):
Yeah, that's what you're focusing on. And I mean yeah,
like the Kindred Spirits episode and the research on the
you know, computers going haywire and the Philip and Daniel experience. Yeah,
I mean, there's there's evidence for that. And so to me,
it's like we have to keep in mind that we're
(50:11):
in the mix and whether it's some kind of entity
or spirit or something, we're interacting and we're in the
mix and depending on how we're feeling, or if we
have psychic abilities, or you know, whatever it is that
could impact that situation, because you know, and that goes
(50:34):
back to the whole haunted people syndrome. I've mentioned that before,
where there are certain people that are high in something
called transliminality, which is a psychological trait that you have
these barriers between your subconscious unconscious in the environment, and
they're thinner in people that are high in transliminality. And
you get somebody that's high transliminality that is a paranormal believer.
(50:57):
They believe that go surreal and they might have some
like psychic abilities, and you put them in this kind
of weird environment that has a reputation for haunted activity.
I call them ghost magnets because weird, weird stuff happens,
and not just stuff that they experience, but everybody around
(51:18):
them starts experiencing as well. They're somehow interacting with the
environment to create paranormal activity.
Speaker 2 (51:26):
And my favorite thing that I've heard you say is
people place time. Yeah, is that it could be the
same three four people going to the same place at
different times, but then that one time you bring in
somebody else, it's maybe because every time we go like say,
(51:47):
if it's you me Janet, maybe we're just not on
the right energy level. But then all of a sudden,
when we bring in someone like Robbie mm hm, he
might be on the right energy level. Or then just
that one off time, maybe you're on the right energy
level and then you're now we're now getting responses.
Speaker 1 (52:09):
Yeah, that's the thing. It's it's people living. People are
in the mix. And like I said, I love it
when ghost magnets come on the ghost hunts because there
are some people that you bring them along, you can
get some pretty consistent activity. You're kind of in the
ghost magnety you know category there. Yeah, no, I love it.
(52:31):
I love it. But yeah, and so we aren't just
these kind of passive observers or experiencers. I mean we're
influencing things, and we could be creating things. I mean,
there's a whole tradition and I'll stop geeking out after this,
but there's a whole tradition of Tulpa's and Tulpa mancy
(52:53):
where people for centuries, through meditation and spiritual practices will
create eight entities for lack of a better word, in
their heads that have their own will. It's kind of
like imaginary friends on steroids, and you know, it's kind
of like they start thinking their own thoughts and doing
(53:15):
their own thing. And there was like one account of
a lady that went to Tibet back in the twenties.
I think it's like magic and Mystery in Tibet. I
wrote her name down because I know somebody will probably
want to read more about it. Yeah, Alexandra David Niel's
Magic and Mystery and Tibet. She watched the monks create
(53:35):
tulpa's and so she this is according to her, she
created a tulpa and it jumped outside of her body.
Speaker 2 (53:42):
I think you're telling me about this last time.
Speaker 1 (53:45):
Yeah, yeah, And so it jumped outside of her body
and it was a mischief she called. It was like
a mischievous priest or something, and she eventually it got
pretty unruly and she had to like kill it. I
don't know how she killed it, but but so, you know,
if she was able to really do that, I mean,
(54:07):
good grief. I mean even the possibility of us being
able to create some entity that can like jump out
of our heads into the world.
Speaker 2 (54:16):
I could only imagine living in that scenario. And then
all of a sudden, how to kill this? Imagine google it.
Imagine google like how to kill sets, And it's.
Speaker 1 (54:30):
Like, what now, Yeah, why are you googling this? Who knows?
There's probably stuff out on Reddit. There's probably a whole
Reddit thread on it, how to kill your tulpa.
Speaker 2 (54:41):
I could only imagine.
Speaker 1 (54:45):
Oh, yeah, oh that's out there. But I look at that,
and I mean all of this, I'm just like, we're
all just like, there's so much that we just don't
understand about our minds and the energy that we have
around us and in us, and how that all connects
with one another and with the world, and and there again.
You know, finally, finally you look at when you go
(55:08):
on ghost hunts. Then you're like, okay, well that's all
find and good, But you know, what is causing those
strange EMF readings? What is making that catball go off?
You know, is it our energy interacting with something or
is it something completely different than us, you know, an
actual entity or whatever that's that's causing this. You know,
(55:30):
why is our equipment getting wonky? Why are we getting
these readings? Where is that coming from? Because you know,
we're not touching the cat ball, and we're not saying
anything on the recorder, you know. And so yeah, it's
it's it's actually not as cut and dried as it seems.
Speaker 2 (55:50):
Yeah, and I think we I know, we've both said it.
But triangulation because a big time you could be putting
the energy out of I really want this catbole to
go off, and then it goes off, but then we
get nothing else. Yeah, so it's like, what is okay,
we maybe need to change it up and see if
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there's another way that if it is an entity, to
trigger something else, to mess with an EMF or maybe
say something. Yeah, because maybe it is our energy. That's
just we want it so bad that it happens.
Speaker 1 (56:26):
Yeah, And I think and a lot of ghost hunters,
I think that's in the mix. It's like, oh, we're primed,
we want something to happen, and we're putting that energy
out there, you know, and it's like that could be
impacting it. You just never know. And so yeah, triangulation,
(56:47):
Oh my goodness. Yeah, triangulate as best you can. That's
why you have multiple things, you know, EMF meters and
the cat balls and people's impressions and all of that. Yeah, yes,
because you want to get something genuinely paranormal. But then
then again it's like, well, how can we separate ourselves
(57:08):
from from the mix too? Yeah I know, mmmmm yeah,
more to ponder. Welcome to ghost hunting, Welcome to ghostunting.
It's all really fun though, weird stuff happens. Oh yeah,
weird stuff happens in crazy old buildings with all kinds
of weird stories, and oh yeah, I love it. It's great.
Speaker 3 (57:30):
No nightlight needed, Oh no, unless you're super scared like
some people.
Speaker 1 (57:37):
That's okay, though it's not for everybody. It's not for everybody, clearly, yeah,
clearly if you're if you're a nightlight person, please don't
go ghost hunting. Not a good idea, No no, no,
do not recommend, don't recommend, don't recommend. Yeah, thumbs down.
(57:59):
Well that's all I've got. You got anything else?
Speaker 2 (58:02):
I don't think?
Speaker 1 (58:03):
So okay. Well, I mean it's about time to wrap
it up, so until next time, thanks for listening.
Speaker 3 (58:11):
Bye bye.
Speaker 1 (58:16):
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Welcome to Spooky, a paranormal podcast. Join doctor Cindy Little
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your headphones, dim the lights, embrace yourself for a journey
into the unknown. If you dare, welcome to Spooky Everybody today,
your hosts, Cindy Little and Allison Roblez. We're going to
(00:47):
be talking about different types of paranormal activity, mainly apparitions, hauntings,
and poultergeists. And we're going to be talking about some
other stuff as well, and i'd like to get to
that first. We went on a little kind of mini
ghost hunt this this past week Alison and I with
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Robbie and Janet and Brian. It was a lot of fun.
We tried out your new spirit box, yeah, and then
we went over to the Alaco Building, which is a
very famous building here in Waco that's got like crazy
amounts of security. Yeah, and it's also crazy haunted. It's
(01:31):
one of our spots we'd love to get into and investigate.
So we asked the security guard, excuse me, I guess
Alison asked the security guard and all she got was
a new headshake and a dirty look, and so that
was I was.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
But it's okay, I.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Was said too. But then we we hopped over to
the Cultivate seven twelve. It's a little art venue here
in Waco. It's really cool and funky, and Allison knows
people at Cultivates, so we got to go down into
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their basement area, which is really really cool, and do
a little bit of hunting. So, yeah, go ahead. What
do you think of all that?
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Well, it's interesting that it seems like it was quiet
as far as stuff coming through the spear box, but
there was unfortunately event on the main floor, so it
was very loud on those aspects.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Yes, there was a band. I don't know what kind
of band that was. They were very loud.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
I yeah it was who knows. I mean, it was
just very noisy, living people.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Very noise. I like that, very noisy living. Yeah, you
had this band that was like really really loud, and
all these people like jumping and shaking heads and doing
dancy things. It was. It was very unusual.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Yeah, so I mean, you know, had to get past
the busy living, but a busy living, busy noisy living. Yeah,
so we had to get past them. And then it
was Undercroft's one of those weird places.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Undercroft is the name of that basement area, right, I
didn't know that, Yes, okay.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
So it's basically, uh speakeasy that up until where Cultivate is.
It was originally part of Hippodrome. Just to give a
little back story, and there are actually running tunnels, which
fun fact, Hippodrum will deny that they have because of
safety reasons, which is understandable, but that you all used
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to be connected with the tunnels. They're now sealed off.
And when they did get sealed off, they became it
became the original bakery, so one of the first bakeries
in Waco. And when you go down there, you can
see the ovens and a lot of the original stuff
that's down there because there's just too big to get
through the doorway, so it's there the elevator shaft and
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that was that was that was that was Yeah, that
was interesting.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Yeah, and there's yeah, there's some really weird looking mechanical
equipment down there. It was like going into Freddy Krueger's basement.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
A little bit.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Yeah, uh with all that mechanical stuff. And yeah, that
sealed off elevator shaft that was just basically kind of
a pit over there.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
That that was a little bit creepy.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
And I thought what was interesting was that Robbie had
us turn the lights off. I remember that, and then
it was not even two minutes I'd say maybe five
minutes tops, and he's a I needed to turn the
lights back on. I remember that, and I was like, oh, okay,
that was kind of quick but great.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
And he had said, I'm getting kind of like stir
of echo vibes.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Yeah I have. Yeah, And he's referring to that movie,
that old movie with Kevin Bacon's stir of echoes, and
I remember seeing it like years ago, and I can't
really remember what it was about, but Robbie said something about, oh,
they find this like dead person in the walls or something.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah. So it's the concept is Kevin Bacon's character starts
to hear voices, doesn't know where it's coming from, is
starting to look for it and ends up starting in
his backyard and like digging his backyard, and then eventually
goes inside and just starts basically tearing tearing down walls.
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English is a great language.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Yeah, underrated.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
So he starts to tear down walls and finds human
remains within the walls of his house. So that's kind
of like why he was referring to the whole stir
of Echo's kind of concept makes sense.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Yeah, I don't remember any of that, and I swear
to you I did watch the movie, but I'm terrible
at remembering movie plots. So yeah, he was really insistent
about that.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Yeah. I ended up texting Debbie the next day asking.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
By the way, is a dead body in the basement?
Speaker 2 (06:28):
I was like, how much of the history of Undercroft
do you know outside of what you do know? And
so She's like, well, nothing really, I just the bakery
connected to the hippodrome and stuff like that. So I
was like, I wonder if we can research or see
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if we could pull deeds of cultivate to figure out information.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
I you know the person too. I'm gonna give a
shout out to one of my friends here and you
know her too. Shannon Gamble she's a local realtor and
she is a Waco history fanatic, and if anybody would
know where to look for things like deeds or you know,
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historical documents related to some of the properties downtown, it
would be her.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yeah, because that'll be interesting because I know that even
Robbie was saying that he was interested in going back, yeah,
to see if he can pull more information when it's quieter. Yeah,
So that'll be interesting and see if we can get information.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Can you imagine I just had a thought because of
those big ovens. Ooh, I wonder if somebody was like baked,
like you know, was killed and then put in one
of those ovens to get rid of the body.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
That's a little terrifying.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
That is a little terrifying. But you know, if it's
a speakeasy, you know, back in the toes or something
some gangster, Oh my gosh, y, could you imagine that is?
Speaker 2 (08:09):
You know, it kind of makes you think though, because well, I.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Mean Robbie comes down there and he's really psychically sensitive.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Oh yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
We've got all these big brick ovens. Yeah, and there's
a body in the wall, or he feels like there's
a body or bones in the wall.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yeah, and I noticed that he even had like the
ashes that were in there.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
I don't know how long they've been there, but I
remember seeing him pick it up and like trying to
see if he got anything. I don't know if he
got anything, but I remember seeing him do that.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
So he was drawn to the ashes in the ovens.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
I don't know if there is any rhyme or reason
to it, or if it was just to see if
he could pick anything up. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
I just remember seeing him do that.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
I didn't see him do that. Well, at the very least,
we got a good horror story here. Yeah, but why
that would be something.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
It'll be interesting, and to see if there's anything spooky.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Yeah, because you were getting spooky vibes too.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Yeah. I'm not a big fan of being down there
by myself for any length of time. I don't know why,
but I'm just not.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Well, you know, it's a creepy basement. Yeah, it's kind
of dusty and all this big mechanical Freddy Krueger looking stuff,
and you know.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
It is very terrifying to look it down there. Yeah,
I mean it's it's a cool vibe, but it's seeing
the old running equipment. Yeah, it's like, okay, maybe not
so cool.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
It's spooky, yeah, very spooky. Yeah, let's see what else.
Oh yeah, yeah, before we get to the operations and
all that stuff. We we grabbed coffee beforehand, and you
were just casually mentioning some of the stuff in your
haunted house. You've been telling me all this time, Oh yeah,
(10:12):
my house is haunted. You know, just really kind of
casual offhand, and then you're like telling us all this
crazy stuff. So, what's the deal with your haunted house?
You know it's your husband's not listening to this izzy.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
I really hope you won't. Yeah, but knowing him, there's
no telling. Which speaking of night lights, back, I told
you this that night and the night light came back. Oh.
He managed to go about a week and I guess
he had a bad dream and he walked up to
me and he's like, do we have any more batteries?
(10:52):
And he's holding the night light.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
It's this pitiful little oliver twisted Please, do we have
any batteries?
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Yeah, And so we have like one of those wooden bars,
and so I was like, yeah, it's in that bar,
in one of the drawers. He's like, okay, So he
now is sleeping with the night light again.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
He's been permanently scarred.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Oh it's joyful. It's joyfully.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Yeah, you're sitting here laughing about it. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
What's funny is this? One One night I ended up
turning it off because I I'm one of those weirdos.
I like darkness. Yeah, so I turned it off and
it was bothering him that the night light was off.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
It was that bad. Huh yeah, oh.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Man, He's like, I didn't sleep much because the light
was off. And I was like, you're fine, you're thrown, man,
You're fine.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Like, man up, honey, and he's.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Like, no, I needed it. It's like okay, whatever.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Oh whatever. Yeah, well, all the more reason that you know,
hopefully he won't listen to this. But what are some
of the things that have happened in your house?
Speaker 2 (12:03):
So it's probably not the greatest idea to investigate in
your own house.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
No, I wouldn't recommend it because you have to live there.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Yeah, I'm just dumb enough to do it, but also
just smart enough to know when to stop.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
So I have found out that there is someone named
Beth living in my house. I also found out there
there is potentially a basement underneath the basically concrete slab
in my backyard, but Beth had told me to stop
asking about it because whoever's down there or whatever's down there,
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it was getting pissed off that I was asking about it.
They basically want it left alone and pretend like nobody
knows about it.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Is there a way to get into that basement no
other than digging through the Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
There's no sign of like getting down there. But it's weird,
like if the little pantry, I have one of those
like built ten pantries, and there's like an electrical socket
right next to all the stuff. So I was like,
and you can tell it was covered, hmmm. So I
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was like, why is there just magically an electrical thing
that's covered? But whatever, it's there.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Okay, I'm just gonna lave this alone.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
And I see I see a lot of shadows back
and forth in my kitchen, which is where that electrical
socket is, as if like people are coming in and out.
I see that a lot. Pretty early on into us
moving there, I knew my husband was gone. I was
leaving and I heard like a hey or a hi.
(13:53):
Oh wow, And mentally I was just like oh and
then I stopped. I was like, wait a minute, it
it's just me. My husband's gone. And I looked back.
I was like, hi, I gotta go to work. And
then I just kept going.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
So I it sounded like a man figure though, like
a man male voice.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Yeah, baby.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
So I was like, okay, cool, wow, Yeah, but that
house is old. It's nineteen thirty five, so you know,
it's been through.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Some stuff, it's seen some things.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yeah, And I was telling y'all that night that that
whole neighborhood is older. My I'm on this catty corner
neighbor is nineteen thirty the house behind us is nineteen forty,
so with all within the same little decade.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Yeah. So yeah, yeah, it's.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
It's interesting, lots of footsteps, little creeks. But I just
kind of blow it off as house settling.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
An old house.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
It's an old house, and it's just settling. I think, whatever, it's.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Okay, keep telling yourself that, keep telling your husband that
that's just an old house. That whole basement thing, now.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
That's intriguing. I don't know, and I always I did
ask Beth. It's been a while since I've talked to her,
but the last time I talked to her, she said
that a lot of people like to hang out in
the kitchen.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Now, who's Beth? Is she a friend of yours?
Speaker 2 (15:32):
She's a spirit?
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (15:34):
A spirit? She's a spirit? Oh? Okay, Yeah, So I
I don't know what time period she's from. I really don't,
but I just know that she's here.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Interesting and.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Another kind of quick, dark story.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
That's why we're here.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
So we the previous owner was trying to sell the house.
It was on the market for four years or not
four or four months. She was in I believe, hospice
and she signed the papers the next day we signed it,
and I think it was the next day or two
days after we signed she passed away.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Yeah, so it was a matter of days, like twenty
four or forty eight hours after we signed she passed.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Wow. It's kind of like the passing of the house.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Yeah. And my realture was even saying, had she died
even before y'all signed it, like she could have signed
it and then passed away, And he was like, this
would have been a totally different situation, huh, because like
even though she had signed it, it basically would have
gone to her next akin, and then her next to
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Ken could have said, we're not selling it, We're gonna
keep it.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Oh wow. Yeah. It's almost kind of like it was
meant to be, yeah, for you, for you to get
the house.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
So it was kind of like, okay, cool, it's a
little dark. I don't think I needed to know that,
but thanks.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yeah, thank you some of that information. It's like, what
am I going to do with this other than being uncomfortable?
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Yeah, it's like is she knowing that?
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Like, oh it could be yeah, she could still be
hanging around.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Yeah, I mean, to be fair, of the house was
empty for four months. Well actually the house was empty
correction for six months because she was using it as
a rental.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Home empty quote unquote Yeah, yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, I
don't know. I think places hold energy so and other
things too.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
So I don't know. I mean, yeah, yes, the house.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Yeah, you get a house, maybe some extra residence, maybe
maybe a creepy basement somewhere.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Who knows. Wow, but apparently it's meant to be left alone.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
That's weird. Well, you know, I think you're smart. I mean,
because there again, you're living there. I would not want
to investigate my house. My house is built in nineteen
forty seven, and and you know, there's some there's some
weird noises and things that I hear, and I'm like,
you know what, I'm just not even going to not
even going to go there.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Yeah, I think. I don't know. I feel like it
just needs to be at some point, you do have
to traw that line. It's like, is this something I
want to do.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Yeah, I don't know. I wouldn't protect my peace, you know,
when I come home, I don't want ghostly activity bothering me.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
I think I need to protect a husband's.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Yeah, there you go, There you go, Smarty, that's the
situation I'm in.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
My piece is a I want to keep looking. I
want to know more.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
But yeah, and I can understand that too. But yeah,
for me, I don't know. I've always just been that's
my house. Now, this is my place where I'm just
going to rest. And if there's anything here, you know,
just shut up and mind your business and I'll mind
mine and we'll be good. We'll be good.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Wonders maybe in you know, twenty thirty years, that's all will.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Be yeah, be haunting people by Allison. You can go
home now wherever home is.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
And I'll being good. Peace.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Yeah, please Can I stay?
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Can I just sit and watch TV with you, eat
my ghostly popcorn.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Something like that. Oh my gosh. Anyway you were asking,
I was like getting ideas from you and thinking about
today's episode, and you mentioned and I can really geek
out about this, so please jump in anytime. Different types
of activity, and in general, this is like totally in general,
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it falls into three categories. And so we've got residual
haunt activity, apparitional activity, and poltergeist activity.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
I was doing a little bit more research today after
coming back from a photo shoot, and so I was
like geeking out what you were saying. Geeking out. I
was like, but there's this, then there's this, Oh but
what if you have this? And then I'm like, wait, no,
stop it. Three categories, stop it no.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
And it's funny because yeah, well I'll mention all that
because when I was taking parapsychology classes at the Ryan
Research Center. You can do those online. I highly recommend it.
And that's like the oldest parapsychology center here in the US,
and they do all kinds of parapsychology classes, and yeah,
it is cool, it's really cool. And so that's what
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we were taught is, you know, okay, here's the three
main types of activity. And I'm thinking, okay, nice, simple
cut and dried. No, not even close. Oh yeah, yeah,
not even close. But in general, the residual activity is
sometimes called place memory, where it's almost like there's an
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energetic imprint in the environment or a recording that will
play over and over again. And so you think of
like Gettysburg has a lot of residual activity where tourists
will go to the battlefield and they'll hear you know,
(21:55):
screaming and cannon fire and you know, rules and things,
you know, war stuff, and and that just plays over
and over again because somehow the environment, best we can tell,
somehow the environment just kind of recorded those sounds during
a really really traumatic time. Yeah, and the other way
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things get recorded that way, it seems like when they're
really really repetitive. I remember going on a case once
where it was just this is a private home here
in Waco, and Grandma had recently died and her ashes.
They had her urn sitting under the TV set in
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the living room.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Because Wanda should be sitting because Okay, I can understand,
you know, people keep their their ashes and the remains,
you know, of loved ones in the house, but it's
like there's this afterthought.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
It was like stuck under the TV.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
I have no rooms because so I think I kind
of told you that. A few months ago, my husband
and I unfortunately had to put our dog down. Yeah,
and so we have his ashes and it's where are
they in a very unusual spot on our fireplace mantle?
Speaker 1 (23:19):
What.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Yeah, it's so that's why I was like, I have
no room to talk. Our dog's ashes are just on
our fireplace, like dead center and on the fireplace mantle.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
I'm just thinking of, you know, when Santa comes and
here's the stockings, and you know, maybe he'll leave like
a little bone on top of the urn.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
What's funny is that we had yet to take down
our Christmas stockings, so it's literally in between our Christmas stockings.
And I'm like, yeah, that seems like a great place.
And then my husband that seems like a terrible place. Oh,
and I'm like he's in the middle of the house.
He's protecting us. He's a ghost Doggie detecting us is all.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
He's like, where's my nightlight? And I'm like, but yeah, place, Okay, Well,
I mean that's a that's not too bad. I mean
I look at that and it's like, oh, you loved
your puppy dog and and his his ashes are in
a place of honor. Well, we'll look at it that way.
I'm trying to spin it. Here, this place of honor
(24:22):
on top of the fireplace, you know, home and hearth
Santa Stockings.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Yeah, I mean I don't know, sure, sure, sure, it's
not even a house that he lived in.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Oh well, nonetheless, so maybe it's given him a view
of this new place.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
You know.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Yeah, I don't know, but hey, I mean it's better
than the ashes that are in the organ at the
Palace Theater, you know, the organist. Yeah, you know, kind
of duck back there in an Amazon shipping box.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Rob. We really need to fix this. I'm gonna call you.
We need to mix. Yeah, hopefully before next para pair
of you, but probably not gonna happen, but we need
to fix that. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Yeah, And it's like I didn't dig inside the shipping
box to see the actual urn, but you know, it's like,
come on. I don't know, anyway, we'll start picking on
the palace people. But yeah, Grandma. Anyway, back to my story,
Grandma is in this urn, just kind of stuffed under
the TV set in the living room, and you know,
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I'm like okay, and they're like, we keep seeing Grandma
walking past the TV every night. And I'm like, okay,
all right, well that makes sense. And I look outside
and there's like this, you know, uh, there's the house,
the living room with the TV, and then you walk
in directly into the kitchen, and then there's there's like
(25:55):
a sliding door, and then you went out to this
like little garden area outside in the back yard. And
I said, hey, you know, because they said she's always
walking past the TV through the kitchen out to the backyard.
And I'm like okay, And and I said, did she
liked you have a really nice garden? Did she liked
a garden? And they're like, oh, my gosh, yes, she
(26:15):
was always going out to the garden. And so I'm like, okay,
this is probably some residual activity because Grandma just repeatedly
probably took that same path over and over and over
again through the house to go out through the kitchen
to the garden.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
So I have heard and bite heard. I mean, I
watch Kindred Spirits, which pretty good, y'all have gotten me into.
That's pretty good. But I have heard that people like
in one of the episodes, they're like, oh, same scenario.
Grandma always is always in the kitchen. She's always in there.
(26:54):
She's in. They're like, well, did she cook a lot?
Like and they're like yeah, and they're like it kind
of lines up, and so you know, at the end,
it was she's good. She's just doing what she always
knows what to do. She's cooking, making sure y'all are
fed and everything. So I'm in, I don't know what
a ghost could feed humans.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Yeah, but I don't know, just come up with something.
It's grandma, right, they're always cooking something. So yeah. But yeah,
so that I look at that, and so you know,
if Grandma was actually like interacting with the people, I
could see that it's more like an aparitional thing. But yeah,
in the in my case, it was she didn't pay
(27:37):
attention to anybody, She didn't interact with anybody. A lot
of times residual stuff will be like footsteps, you know,
phantom footsteps. They hear that a lot of the palace
that across the stage. You know, you're hearing a lot
of footsteps across the stage. Trying to think of some
other examples. Oh, yeah, the zoo which is haunted as head.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Which again you put a zoo right in the middle
of a haunted wooded area.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
I know Camra Park is haunted. Yeah, and so yeah,
there's crazy zoo stories. But one of them, another residual
one is their education director Connie. She's like, at night,
we have kids that come for the snoozes. They'll have
these like overnights for parties and things. And she says,
(28:32):
in the education building. I don't know if they're old
education building still there since the penguins came in, but
they would hear the wagon, the feed wagon, because they
had this little red wagon that they would take back
and forth to do stuff with that would you could
hear it rolling across the floor, But it wasn't there,
And I'm like, oh, okay, so late at night you
(28:54):
could just hear the wagon rolling back and forth across
the floor, which they do a million times during the day.
It's like, oh that's and she's like, is that a ghost?
What does that I go, oh, that's probably just residual energy.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Isn't there a residual energy in one of these libraries?
Speaker 1 (29:11):
I don't know. Probably I could.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Have sworn I've read something about like a residual residence
in one of these libraries.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Really, I know that the Browning Library, I.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Think that's what it was. It was Elizabeth Browning.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Yeah, there's rumors that the ghost of Elizabeth Barrett Browning
haunts that library. I I don't know anything about that
other than I think it's rumors. I did set up
equipment one time years ago in their basement where the
gift shop is, and they did say a worker hung
(29:47):
himself in the basement of the yeah, of the library,
And so I'm like, oh, okay, if any energy is
coming from anything, I would think it would be from that.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
What you're saying is you need to send your students
there for educational purposes.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
There we go. Yeah, I'll spin it. We'll figure something out.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Hmm.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
How can we get into the Browning Library even though
I don't even teach anything about literature and figure it out?
Speaker 2 (30:21):
I mean, you can sign an essay?
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Oh, there we go, essay, Yeah, an essay air quotes, Yeah,
child development and Elizabeth Barrett Brownie ghosts. See I'll figure
it out. See yeah, I'll figure it out.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Great concepts here in the works.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
There we go. Yeah, okay, I'll have to give that
some thought. But that's the residual stuff, lots of it.
Phantom smells, you know, usually it's the perfume smells or
the cigar smells, things that have just stuck around, and
they don't they aren't really ghosts. They don't really interact
(31:04):
with anybody. It's it's just energy that just is kind
of stuck around, and people that have more are more
psychically sensitive, pick up on it often a lot more
often than people who aren't.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
And I don't know if it occurred while we were
doing the classes at East Terrence, but you had said
that the parlor had a lot of that, and then
the little section that the I forget her name, but
the lady of the house like her little section. You'd
(31:39):
smell her perfume, which kind of like ties back into
the whole residual Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Yeah, it's been a while since I've been over at
East Terrace, but yeah, I'm I'm thinking that there has
been residual activity there. There's been kind of weird Poulter
guy stuff there too, like the lights. I've seen the
lights flickering and swinging. So yeah, that's one of our
(32:09):
historic holms that's pretty haunted. I want to go back there.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
I know that that is a place that's been kind
of itching me to go.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Well. I have to see if we can go back
there because I mean, I have a pretty good relationship
with the director and maybe we can just you know,
pick a time and go and do some ghost hunting
at East Terrace. That'd be fun. Yeah, yeah, let's do it.
(32:39):
So okay. Anyway, moving on, Apparitions is the other category,
and that's those are the ghosts that we think of
as ghosts. They're the ones that seem to be conscious
and they interact with us and they'll speak to people sometimes.
(33:02):
I haven't put the shadow people kind of in that category.
They don't seem to be repetitive like a recording. They
seem to be a little more I don't know, independent,
or have will or volition or something.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Yeah, I've heard lots of different like things about shadow people,
but yeah, I feel like they're more kind of you
could clump them.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
With that, I would, I mean, that's just my opinion,
like there's no experts on this stuff. But so, yeah,
they're ghosts, like we think of ghosts. And of course
most people think that ghosts are dead people. That's like
everybody's like, well, duh, they're dead people. And I was like, well,
(33:53):
I don't know. I mean, scientifically, we don't know that
for certain. And I mean, could they be spirits of
dead people? Sure, But I kind of look at it
and say, if you shut yourself off and say this
is absolutely what ghosts are, are spirits of the dead,
(34:13):
you shut yourself off to other possibilities which could be
closer to the truth. And yeah, and so, and there's
a big debate in the field of parapsychology about consciousness
and whether it survives death, and you know, the whole
deal because you look at apparitions and yeah, a lot
(34:39):
of times they are people that people recognize and which
makes sense, and they look like just normal people most
of the time until they do something abnormal like walk
through a wall, ye, you know, and then it's like, oh, crap,
that wasn't a person, and the people that were familiar
with it's like, oh, I saw my uncle who died
(35:03):
five years ago walking through the hall or whatever, and
he you know, tipped his hat to me and all that,
and it's like, well, could that be the spirit of
your dead uncle? I suppose, but it could be maybe
something that you're doing with your mind. You know. We'll
get to that in a minute. And and I mean,
(35:24):
I don't know. I try to keep a little bit
of an open mind.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
It's it's a little hard, yeah, to do it or
to eat shut it to where it's only like in
that box, because like there, from what I understand, there
is a running theory that shadow people were never people
to begin with, okay, and so or at least there
(35:50):
are certain like portions of shadow people that were never
almost two minutes almost like almost like an elemental when
the Native American belief it was their religion that they
asked the elements to protect the sacred land. But element
tools could be clumped with apparitions. They were never human
(36:14):
to begin with. But in Native American religion, it is
what that is. It's an apparition. You can sometimes physically
see it.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Yeah, but was it human?
Speaker 2 (36:25):
No?
Speaker 1 (36:26):
Good point? Yeah, was it human? What was it? And
I mean, and that's really after all this time and
all the study, we're still figuring out what are ghosts?
What are they? And I don't think they're any one
particular thing. I think they could be many different things
because all the stories are so different. And that's a
(36:47):
really great story of yeah, these things were never human
and they're part of Native American beliefs. And then you've
got this whole thing of out of body experiences where
you can be your own ghost, where you know, it's
there's a story at the Doctor Pepper Museum about there's
(37:08):
there's been a couple of experiences like that with employees
where an employee will come in early and they'll see
another employee that they know and they're like, oh, hey, yeah,
you know, and sometimes they'll get silly and make silly faces,
and then they'll be like later on, they'll see them
during the day and they'll be like, hey, you know,
what were you making silly faces at me for this
(37:29):
morning over by the gift shop And they're like, I
just now came in. I haven't even been here, you know.
So that kind of doppleganger type activity, and so that's
a ghost quote unquote or an apparition of a living person.
And then I think, you know, the whole spirits of
(37:51):
the dead thing. When there's those deathbed apparitions. I tend
to think that might be the case because I look
at when my grandpa died and he was in the
hospital and a few days before he died, the nurses
and hospice nurses have stories like this all the time,
and they came in and he's like, oh, hey, you
(38:13):
just missed my brothers. They came to visit me. Yeah,
they just left, and his brothers had been dead for
like forty years. And then he died like a couple
days later. So I look at that and I'm like, well,
maybe some of it is spirits of the dead that
are coming back and saying, hey, it's okay, it's okay
to cross over. You know, we're here, We're ready for
(38:34):
you to come be with us. You know, whatever it.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Is, it's almost like green lighting them. It's like it's.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Okay, yeah, it's like you can let go, you can
go now. It's okay, you're good, You're good. And so
there's lots of or or there's crisis apparitions, and these
are really common stories where a parent will be, you know,
all of a sudden, just jolted away, wake in the
(39:01):
middle of the night and their their son or daughter
will be like, you know, mom, help me, help me now.
And then of course they'll look at their phone or
you know, get a phone call right then that their
child has been in like a car accident or something, so,
you know, and it's and the person, you know, the
kid's still alive, but something bad has happened. And so
(39:24):
people will have those stories as well. So it gets
kind of complicated pretty quick.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
Yeah, And I think to me, it's it's energy. Feel
It's like you just feel it, and it's kind of
like feeling someone else's presence there when they're not actually there. Yeah,
And so it's for me, it's anything that has or
had energy can send off some kind of physical manifestation.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
I totally believe that, I really really do. And the
older I get, the more I believe that we're all
connected in some form or fashion energetically. I don't exactly
know how it works, but but you talk about that
(40:19):
with where we can feel somebody's presence that has passed,
I think we can feel each other's presence, you know,
living people as well, you know where and not you know,
it's like, yes, you're sitting here right in front of me.
I can see you, I can feel your presence. But
you know, I've I've heard stories of well, yeah, you know,
(40:42):
I was just thinking of you and then your phone
rings and you you know, or you get a text
or something from that that person, you know, that type
of stuff, And so there's I look at that and
I'm like, there's some kind of connecting, psychic connecting there
at least that's that's my guess. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
I mean I would agree, and I feel like, especially
with moms and their.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Kids, oh, big time huge.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
It's it's funny how that happens. And there have been
a few times, like while I was in college going
to San Antonio and then here's my mom, what are
you doing? Where are you going? And I'm like, yeah,
are you in my car?
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Mother world?
Speaker 2 (41:30):
Do you have GPS on me? Like what is going? Yes?
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Yeah, it's that mother's intuition. You know. There's there's a
really strong, almost you know, psychic, I guess, connection between
moms and their kids. Yeah. Oh, And a fun fact,
I saw this the other day. I guess I don't
have to look this up to like confirm it, but
(41:55):
I guess there was a study done, you know, where
a baby's like growing in the mom and some how
the baby's DNA will get into the mom's blood stream.
And then even after the baby is born, they have
found that when the mother passes later and they'll do
an autopsy and they will find their child's DNA in
(42:18):
their blood. Still, So I mean there's like this like
genetic connection with with their kids. So I think that's
kind of wild. It is weird. Yeah, and so I
wonder if maybe that's it. It's like you're like really
literally linked. I don't know, we live in a really
(42:41):
weird world. I think I want to be linked. Like
it's too late, your DNA is flowing through her blood
aches and so yeah. But yeah, it's it's like, yeah,
when your kids are stressed or you sense that they're
in trouble, you it's that whole sixth sense thing. Yeah, yikes. Yeah,
(43:04):
and then it's like, oh, I got a call, got
to make sure everything's okay, Yeah, yeah, okay, Well moving along.
Poultergeists are the third big, big category, and that's a
tricky one because poultergeist activity is all of that telekinetic
(43:25):
stuff where objects are moving in the room or you
can hear knocks and bangs, and you know, like in
the South Shields poultergeist case, you know, knives were being
thrown and so parapsychologists in the past have said, well,
you know a lot of that activity is because a
person in the household's really stressed and they're just like
(43:46):
blowing off steam psychically and making all this stuff move around.
But then again, it's like, well, this activity will happen
when the so called you know, central person is gone,
or there'll be some kind of weird communication, or they'll
see apparitions. They'll actually see apparitional figures, you know, walking
(44:11):
around in the in the location, and so it's like, well, yeah,
that's weird.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
Yeah, so I again, Kindred Spirits, there's an episode that
dealt with an apparition called Zombie Boy. Okay, so essentially
what it was is that it's a historic home that
is now a museum, so people would go in and
(44:40):
take pictures and it's like, oh, look we caught zombie
boy and his face was super disfigured and stuff like that. Well,
if nobody lives there, why is this happening? Why are
so many people seeing this? Maybe somebody did die, but
why is he coming across as this like zombie looking person.
(45:05):
So they did an experiment of we're going to create
these fake facts about zombie boy and see if it
almost absorbs that energy, that thought and it takes it
as facts. So one of it was like zombie boy
(45:26):
died in an accident and died because of his injuries.
His dad's Edward, his mom's Beatrice, whatever. Well, later on
in their investigation, all these fake facts were coming up.
They're like, can you tell us your dad's name, Edward?
Can you tell us like what's your favorite piece of equipment?
And it said like it was like all these fake
(45:47):
facts and it's the time and energy that was put
into it. This PK energy just absorbed it and that's
what it became.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
Yeah, they created a ghost, and I mean, yeah, there's
there's the Daniel experiment and the Philip experiment. I think
I've mentioned those before. The Philip experiment back in the
nineteen seventies, a bunch of parapsychologists in Canada. Yeah, they
created a ghost and gave it a backstory and everything,
and you know, knew it was totally fake. And the
(46:17):
Daniel experiment same thing. It was just a different group
and yeah, they would start communicating. It's like, hey, can
you knock, and pretty soon they you know, they would
hear knocks for you know, once for yes, twice for no.
The table they would sit around with their fingers on
the table, you know, kind of almost seancey like, and
the table would start tipping, the table would start moving. So, yeah,
(46:41):
their energy created a ghost. And I look at that,
and you look at a lot of our haunted places
that are you know, open to the public where they're
like doing tours and investigations and people know the story. Oh,
(47:02):
this is the story of you know, yeah, zombie Boy.
You know, this is the house where zombie Boy lives.
And they're they're putting that energy into that environment and
that that story, and yeah, something could be there. It
sounds like they did a great job kind of showing
(47:22):
that that is just absorbing it and getting stronger and
stronger and stronger. So in a sense, we could be creating.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
Yeah, And it's always one of those you put the
time and energy into something, it's gonna eventually become bigger.
Like if you are stressed and you continue to stress
over that one thing, you then become even more stressed,
and it becomes way bigger than what it is. Absolutely,
(47:53):
and it could be something as simple as I'm looking
for my pen, where's this pin? Mm hmm, Well you're
because you're putting the time, the energy and finding that pen. Yeah,
it becomes a bigger thing. That's kind of like how
all this PK stuff ends up. Oh yeah, my opinion,
how a lot of it starts.
Speaker 1 (48:12):
Oh yeah. And there's actually the Ryan Research Center that
I was talking about earlier. They've done experiments where you know,
when you're like really super stressed and you have to
get something done on the computer and you get sit
down at the computer and you're really really stressed. You're
under this big deadline, and that's when the computer starts
(48:33):
acting up and you're like, oh, dang it. You know,
we've all been there, and it's like no, they're saying
there is some kind of psychical energy or can be
that is impacting that device. I mean, in a sense,
it's kind of a self fulfilling prophecy. You're the one
because you're so stressed and you're so focused on you know,
(48:57):
getting this paper done or whatever it is, and so
worried that the computer is gonna start acting up. That
somehow we don't exactly know how you're influencing that, and
you're almost causing it.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
And it's funny, how because I have a saying that
you get what you give, so you get what However,
that looks like you get the energy that you're giving.
And it kind of goes back to it like the
whole computer. If you're gonna if you're giving these stressed Oh,
(49:31):
I really hope this computer works, and then you're gonna
get exactly that because you're sending that energy out and
it has to go somewhere, so it's not gonna go
back into you. Nope, it's sent out. And so it's like, well,
there's that computer that's sitting right there.
Speaker 1 (49:48):
And you're really focused on it.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:51):
Yeah, that's what you're focusing on. And I mean yeah,
like the Kindred Spirits episode and the research on the
you know, computers going haywire and the Philip and Daniel experience. Yeah,
I mean, there's there's evidence for that. And so to me,
it's like we have to keep in mind that we're
(50:11):
in the mix and whether it's some kind of entity
or spirit or something, we're interacting and we're in the
mix and depending on how we're feeling, or if we
have psychic abilities, or you know, whatever it is that
could impact that situation, because you know, and that goes
(50:34):
back to the whole haunted people syndrome. I've mentioned that before,
where there are certain people that are high in something
called transliminality, which is a psychological trait that you have
these barriers between your subconscious unconscious in the environment, and
they're thinner in people that are high in transliminality. And
you get somebody that's high transliminality that is a paranormal believer.
(50:57):
They believe that go surreal and they might have some
like psychic abilities, and you put them in this kind
of weird environment that has a reputation for haunted activity.
I call them ghost magnets because weird, weird stuff happens,
and not just stuff that they experience, but everybody around
(51:18):
them starts experiencing as well. They're somehow interacting with the
environment to create paranormal activity.
Speaker 2 (51:26):
And my favorite thing that I've heard you say is
people place time. Yeah, is that it could be the
same three four people going to the same place at
different times, but then that one time you bring in
somebody else, it's maybe because every time we go like say,
(51:47):
if it's you me Janet, maybe we're just not on
the right energy level. But then all of a sudden,
when we bring in someone like Robbie mm hm, he
might be on the right energy level. Or then just
that one off time, maybe you're on the right energy
level and then you're now we're now getting responses.
Speaker 1 (52:09):
Yeah, that's the thing. It's it's people living. People are
in the mix. And like I said, I love it
when ghost magnets come on the ghost hunts because there
are some people that you bring them along, you can
get some pretty consistent activity. You're kind of in the
ghost magnety you know category there. Yeah, no, I love it.
(52:31):
I love it. But yeah, and so we aren't just
these kind of passive observers or experiencers. I mean we're
influencing things, and we could be creating things. I mean,
there's a whole tradition and I'll stop geeking out after this,
but there's a whole tradition of Tulpa's and Tulpa mancy
(52:53):
where people for centuries, through meditation and spiritual practices will
create eight entities for lack of a better word, in
their heads that have their own will. It's kind of
like imaginary friends on steroids, and you know, it's kind
of like they start thinking their own thoughts and doing
(53:15):
their own thing. And there was like one account of
a lady that went to Tibet back in the twenties.
I think it's like magic and Mystery in Tibet. I
wrote her name down because I know somebody will probably
want to read more about it. Yeah, Alexandra David Niel's
Magic and Mystery and Tibet. She watched the monks create
(53:35):
tulpa's and so she this is according to her, she
created a tulpa and it jumped outside of her body.
Speaker 2 (53:42):
I think you're telling me about this last time.
Speaker 1 (53:45):
Yeah, yeah, And so it jumped outside of her body
and it was a mischief she called. It was like
a mischievous priest or something, and she eventually it got
pretty unruly and she had to like kill it. I
don't know how she killed it, but but so, you know,
if she was able to really do that, I mean,
(54:07):
good grief. I mean even the possibility of us being
able to create some entity that can like jump out
of our heads into the world.
Speaker 2 (54:16):
I could only imagine living in that scenario. And then
all of a sudden, how to kill this? Imagine google it.
Imagine google like how to kill sets, And it's.
Speaker 1 (54:30):
Like, what now, Yeah, why are you googling this? Who knows?
There's probably stuff out on Reddit. There's probably a whole
Reddit thread on it, how to kill your tulpa.
Speaker 2 (54:41):
I could only imagine.
Speaker 1 (54:45):
Oh, yeah, oh that's out there. But I look at that,
and I mean all of this, I'm just like, we're
all just like, there's so much that we just don't
understand about our minds and the energy that we have
around us and in us, and how that all connects
with one another and with the world, and and there again.
You know, finally, finally you look at when you go
(55:08):
on ghost hunts. Then you're like, okay, well that's all
find and good, But you know, what is causing those
strange EMF readings? What is making that catball go off?
You know, is it our energy interacting with something or
is it something completely different than us, you know, an
actual entity or whatever that's that's causing this. You know,
(55:30):
why is our equipment getting wonky? Why are we getting
these readings? Where is that coming from? Because you know,
we're not touching the cat ball, and we're not saying
anything on the recorder, you know. And so yeah, it's
it's it's actually not as cut and dried as it seems.
Speaker 2 (55:50):
Yeah, and I think we I know, we've both said it.
But triangulation because a big time you could be putting
the energy out of I really want this catbole to
go off, and then it goes off, but then we
get nothing else. Yeah, so it's like, what is okay,
we maybe need to change it up and see if
(56:11):
there's another way that if it is an entity, to
trigger something else, to mess with an EMF or maybe
say something. Yeah, because maybe it is our energy. That's
just we want it so bad that it happens.
Speaker 1 (56:26):
Yeah, And I think and a lot of ghost hunters,
I think that's in the mix. It's like, oh, we're primed,
we want something to happen, and we're putting that energy
out there, you know, and it's like that could be
impacting it. You just never know. And so yeah, triangulation,
(56:47):
Oh my goodness. Yeah, triangulate as best you can. That's
why you have multiple things, you know, EMF meters and
the cat balls and people's impressions and all of that. Yeah, yes,
because you want to get something genuinely paranormal. But then
then again it's like, well, how can we separate ourselves
(57:08):
from from the mix too? Yeah I know, mmmmm yeah,
more to ponder. Welcome to ghost hunting, Welcome to ghostunting.
It's all really fun though, weird stuff happens. Oh yeah,
weird stuff happens in crazy old buildings with all kinds
of weird stories, and oh yeah, I love it. It's great.
Speaker 3 (57:30):
No nightlight needed, Oh no, unless you're super scared like
some people.
Speaker 1 (57:37):
That's okay, though it's not for everybody. It's not for everybody, clearly, yeah,
clearly if you're if you're a nightlight person, please don't
go ghost hunting. Not a good idea, No no, no,
do not recommend, don't recommend, don't recommend. Yeah, thumbs down.
(57:59):
Well that's all I've got. You got anything else?
Speaker 2 (58:02):
I don't think?
Speaker 1 (58:03):
So okay. Well, I mean it's about time to wrap
it up, so until next time, thanks for listening.
Speaker 3 (58:11):
Bye bye.
Speaker 1 (58:16):
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