December 30, 2024 • 55 mins
Cindy and Alison sit down to talk about the Dr. Pepper soft drink with two very special guests. We take a tour through the history of this Waco made drink and learn of the many spirits that reside at the original location.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to Spooky, a paranormal podcast, joined doctor Cindy Little
and Alison Robles as they journey through the realms of
the supernatural, mysterious, and downright eerie, from ghostly apparitions to poltergeists,
from haunted houses to strange phenomena. Prepare to have your
senses heightened and your beliefs challenged. It's time to grab
(00:26):
your headphones, dim the lights, embrace yourself for a journey
into the unknown.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
If you dare all right, Welcome everybody to Spooky. We
are back.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
We took a little many Thanksgiving vacation in November, so
but we are back in full force and today we
have a really exciting interview with Madeline Fritz and Rachel
Nadu Johnson.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Madeline is the Doctor Pepper.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Museums Education and Engagement Manager and Rachel is the collections manager.
And the reason why we are here at the Doctor
Pepper Museum is because it is one of Waco's haunted
hotspots and I have a long history of investigating and
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working here on the paranormal tours at the museum, and
we are just going to spend this time talking with
Madeline and Rachel about some of the really cool stuff
that has happened here to them and to employees.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
And we'll just kind of get into that.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Yes, Madeline and I have a history because we used
to do the paranormal tours together.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Are you still doing those?
Speaker 4 (01:46):
I am not.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
I stopped on your last one, actually was my last one.
I know.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Oh man, it's okay.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
I'm hoping once my schedule permits to get back to
doing them, because you know what, it's been a few months,
but I kind of miss them.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
They're fun, They're fun there, so you know, maybe at
some point in the future.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
And one thing that I thought was really interesting about
Mantelin is that doing the paranormal tours, she was always
really enthusiastic and is an amazing tour guide, but she's
not much on believing in ghosts, So what is up
with that.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
I lean towards the skepticism side. If something happens, I'm
going to try to explain it the way with science
before anything else. So there was one time people found
a handprint on a glass door, and in my mind,
that chalks up to it didn't get cleaned at the
end of the day, or someone a kid touched it.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
You know, So things like that.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
So there are things that I think we can't explain
in the world, and perhaps that is ghost scryptids, whatever,
but I will try to explain first, especially in my
workplace where I have to go every single day.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
I don't want to be scared.
Speaker 6 (02:59):
I think there's a little explainable things.
Speaker 7 (03:01):
There are, just you.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
I just remember that when we were going on tours,
occasionally something kind of weird and speaking would happen, and
I'd go over and talk to Madeline about it.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
She's like, you know, I really don't want to know
about it.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
I don't want to know my philosophy on the tours.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
The other tour guide can do the investigate and like
really dive deep, and then I'll make sure the people
are okay, and I'll corral the people, so if something
weird happens, you can run off and I'll keep the
people happy.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
You'll keep the people happy, all right, Okay, fair enough.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I think that you're more into ghosts movement, though I
don't know. I agree.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
I left the theory behind it and like taking your
Unity course and all of that and learning more about like.
Speaker 7 (03:51):
The research that has been done. That part to me
is fascinating.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
Do I want to experience something in my daily life.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Maybe not, you've already experienced here at the museum. I
know you try. Yes, So this is just a quick
question to both of you before we get into the
release spooky uokie stuff, if y'all wouldn't mind talking a
little bit about kind of the history of the museum,
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just kind of give an overview of the history of
the museum here. That'd be awesome.
Speaker 8 (04:24):
You mean time, Yes, go ahead, okay, And so the
museum is located in two historic buildings. One was built
in eighteen eighty two and the other was built in
nineteen o six. The eighteen eighty two building was originally
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a wholesale grocer. The building that was built in nineteen
o six, it's or was the Artusia Manufacturing Bottling Company,
which is the home of Doctor Pepper. Yes, very exciting,
and it was the first building opened as part of
the museum. Museum open to the public in nineteen ninety one,
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and since then we've had over three million visitors, which
is pretty impressively.
Speaker 7 (05:11):
A million this year.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
We did wait a minute, this year.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
This year, Yes, not three million in one year. Oh,
that's what the museum. This year we hit three million.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
A lot.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Okay, yeah, wow, ye, all right, anything else?
Speaker 8 (05:31):
History wise, the Artisian Manufacturing and Bottling Company building is
on land that originally had private dwellings and boarding houses
on it. Those buildings were moved to then build the
Bottling Company building.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
And that factory was in production to about nineteen sixty
five nineteen sixteen minutes, sat by get for a while
until it was turned into a museum.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Awesome, okay, And yes the building was and this is
gonna be important later on as we started talking about things,
the building was hit by the nineteen fifty three tornado.
Can you talk a little.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Bit about that. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
In May eleventh, nineteen fifty three and five tornado, which
was the largest you could have on the old tornado scale,
came through downtown Waco about four ten in the afternoon,
did a ton.
Speaker 7 (06:24):
Of property damage.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
I killed one hundred and fourteen people, one of which
was on our property, and took a big chunk out
of the side of our building. It completely demolished the
original drug store where Doctor Pepper was created, the old
Corner drug store flattened it. They didn't rebuild, but they
did rebuild our building, and now we have a nice
little shark.
Speaker 7 (06:44):
Bite on the side that looks you can see.
Speaker 6 (06:46):
The scar of it.
Speaker 8 (06:48):
Yes, and it also our second building. It took the
entire second floor off of the second building.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Bough, I didn't know that.
Speaker 8 (06:54):
Yes, yes, this building used to have two stories, but
they did went ahead and didn't rebuild that.
Speaker 7 (07:01):
They actually added an edition in the back.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Yeah. Cool.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Now, the shark bit that they're talking about is where
the tornado hit the side of the building, and.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
It's built with these very distinct.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Yellow bricks, and when they went to rebuild that part
of the building again, they couldn't find bricks that matched
it exactly. So it looks like, literally looks like a
big bite has been taken out of the side of
the building and repaired. And so it's just been nicknamed
the shark bite. And we'll post a picture of the
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side of the building where y'all can see the shark
bite if you haven't been to the museum. So cool, Allison,
any any questions, any anything you want to ask or.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Not yet yet?
Speaker 4 (07:49):
I mean, is a Waco native. Most of this is
pretty normal, pretty normal, pretty normal information. So yeah, the
shark bite, Yeah, totally. Yeah, at the picture in my
head right now. It's great.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Oh yeah, yeah, so yeah, it is kind of full looking.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
But anything else on the museum history or anything they can.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Think of.
Speaker 7 (08:18):
Doant like history of the paranormal tour.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
You can talk a little bit about how that started. Yeah,
that would be great.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
He didn't always know this place was haunted, right, just
weird things over the years kept happening since.
Speaker 8 (08:32):
I've been here. We've always had like investigators and everything come.
So it was pretty well known since.
Speaker 6 (08:38):
I've been here at least, and I've been here eleven years.
Speaker 8 (08:43):
So but yes, in twenty twenty, when we were all home,
we were working on different programmatic things that the museum
could be doing, because that's one of the things we
could do while working from home. And something we had
always talked about was creating something around the paranormal activity
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associated with the building. And so myself and the education
manager at the time created this tour and we started
running it in August of twenty twenty and had been
running it.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Ever since, and it fills up all the time.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
For those of you that are listening and have not
had a chance to go on the Doctor Pepper Paranormal Tour,
sign up at least a few weeks in advance because
it fills up very very quick.
Speaker 7 (09:41):
I guess we have there every Saturday throughout.
Speaker 5 (09:45):
The year, and then October we'll do them every Friday
and Saturday, pending weird events and one off.
Speaker 7 (09:50):
But all of that availability can.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Be found on the website. So yeah, yeah, go to
the website.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
It's a really cool tour, if I do say some self,
at least when Madeline and I were doing it was
a very cool tool.
Speaker 7 (10:01):
I'm sure it's still really cool.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
I'm sure it's really cool.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Yes, I'm really happy that y'all opened up to having
a paranormal tour Because I, as a paranormal investigator, came
to the museum. I would say, oh, my goodness, probably
way back twenty ten ish, before you know, ten years,
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maybe maybe a little later, maybe twelve, twenty twelve, twenty thirteen,
before you even thought about having the tours. And I
left my card at the front desk and said, hey,
you know, I'm a paranormal investigator. I've heard that the
museum is haunted. If there's a way I could get
in and do an investigation, that would be great. And
they took my card and said, nope, we don't have
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any ghosts here. I'm like okay, and that was the
end of that until fast forward to when y'all started
the Paranormal tour. I remember getting to do be part
of an investigation before that happened, and so that was.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Really a lot of fun.
Speaker 6 (11:07):
Yeah, that was a very interesting investigation when.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
You came in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 7 (11:12):
Yes, a lot of activity.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Yes, yes, it's talked about on the tour. Yeah, yeah,
it was. It was quite an investigation. We found out
a lot of cool stuff that there again is mentioned
on the tour.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
So okay, So moving along here, got all.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
That, So I'd like to know and Allison, if there's
anything you want to.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Know, feel free to hop right in.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
I'm trying to think of stuff I promised.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
I know, I know, I'm just well, we're getting to
the spooky dookie stuff now. So any personal paranormal experiences.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
That you all have had, and is.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
There anything like new that you know of that's happened within.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
I don't know, the last month or so. I should
have tried to gather stories.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
Before this from the presenters that do it. I think
one of my weirdest ones was we were leading a
group it was on a paranormal tour leading a group
back in and there's a closet in our soda fountain
that houses the mops and everything, and it latches shut,
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and when we had left the building, it was closed.
And we were walking up to the KR building, the
one that was built in eighteen eighty two, about to
go in, and the other tour guide sees a shadow
figure in a window, so she peels off and goes
and I think you were on this tour. It was
with Mary Hope. That was when y'all went to that
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door and started looking. So I'm with the tour group
and I'm still leading them on the tour and we
walk into the soda fountain and.
Speaker 7 (12:53):
That latched door is just open.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
And then in the moment, I'm like looking around because
i know y'all are off, but I'm like, I'm with this.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Big group of people.
Speaker 7 (13:03):
Make it seem like it's normal. This door is supposed
to be open.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
And then I saw a little stuffed lion in the
bottom of a barrel, and I jumped out of my
skin because I thought.
Speaker 7 (13:14):
It was a little animal.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
That's probably one of the more like freaked out times
I've been, but it was just kind of me scaring myself.
But I still can't explain that door because it was
it was latched. I don't and no one went in
that building after us, and y'all were away looking at
the handprint and.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
The yeah, eyeshadow figure. So I was like, I did
not know the other side of that story. Yeah, that
is your side of the story. Yeah, you're absolutely right.
What Madeline's talking about is, Yeah, it was on a
tour and we were with our other tour guide, Mary Hope,
who is what I call a ghost magnet, and we'll
talk about ghost magnets here in a minute. And so yes,
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we were all out in the courtyard and we looked
at the glass door and it was in the in
the KR building here that we're in now, and and
Mary Hopes is there. I saw a shadow person in
the glass door. I just saw them peek out and
then they peeked back in again. So we got really
excited about it and hustled in. Yes, left Madeline to
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babysit the guests, and that's ok. As we zoomed off
to the door to see what was going on, and
the janitorial staff had just been there, and they'd windexed
all the doors and windows and everything, and we saw
this perfect handprint right in the middle of the glass door.
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So we thought that was pretty cool. Madeline's a little skeptical,
but that's okay. So I thought it was pretty cool.
I didn't know there was another I didn't know the
other door was open, ye, with a creepy little lion
sitting there.
Speaker 7 (14:52):
Well, because y'all had run off.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Plus, like, are you making so.
Speaker 7 (15:00):
Bullying as me?
Speaker 5 (15:01):
You were about maybe fifty feet away around the corner,
so like if I would have screamed, y'a would have
heard the something had happened bad. But tensions were already high,
is the point, because y'all had seen something.
Speaker 7 (15:13):
So I'm already on edge. And then I walk into the.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
Doors open and I jump at a little stuffed lying
I didn't hear that. Finny story man.
Speaker 8 (15:22):
Also, it makes you feel any better, I've seen a
ton of shadow figures in this building.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Top.
Speaker 7 (15:27):
That doesn't make me feel better.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
No, no, okay, Rachel, now you have to share.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
I don't know any of your stories.
Speaker 8 (15:40):
I think one of my weirdest experiences was actually on
a paranormal tour and slightly after the paranormal.
Speaker 7 (15:47):
Tour, but.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
We were.
Speaker 8 (15:54):
We were headed to the basement and we heard a
door slam out of nowhere.
Speaker 7 (15:57):
And we were like, that's weird.
Speaker 8 (16:00):
On the tour was like that's weird, and I said, okay,
let's go to the creepy basement now.
Speaker 7 (16:05):
So we went down there, we did our thing, we.
Speaker 8 (16:07):
Came back, we showed the guests out, and then the
other tour guide and I were packing everything up, closing
everything down, and then we just heard so many doors slam,
like repeatedly, which doesn't make sense, Like the doors here
are all locked, Like no, there's no way for.
Speaker 7 (16:26):
Them to just open.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Yeah, that lam wild. These are heavy doors.
Speaker 8 (16:29):
Yes, so they were just slamming. And I looked at
the security cameras real quick. I'm like, we couldn't see anything,
and said, okay, I'm gonna leave now.
Speaker 7 (16:39):
The stay of the building.
Speaker 8 (16:43):
Run out now, and I'll let someone else know that
they might get a call.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
That is wild. Yes, I hadn't heard that story.
Speaker 8 (16:56):
Yeah, and it's pretty common in the Ambe to hear
doors slam.
Speaker 5 (17:02):
A couple of stories the A like doors that were
like bolted shut they heard.
Speaker 7 (17:08):
Yeah, it sounds It usually sounds like.
Speaker 8 (17:10):
A screen door or a shutter is slamming, but this
building's a little more rare.
Speaker 7 (17:16):
And for it to be that active was a bit peculiar.
Mary Hope had a basement door slam story too, yea.
Speaker 5 (17:25):
She and the tour guide, they had let the guests out,
and they had stopped at the security cameras to check
and make sure they didn't see anything weird, and they
saw what they thought were orbs going through one of
the cameras, so she pulled their phone out to videotape it,
and they heard the basement door slam, and they both
ran out of the building. Like there's security footage of
them running out of the building.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
And they were mercilessly teased about it as well.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
Yes, and that footage exists somewhere.
Speaker 7 (17:50):
I get people to try and show it to me.
Speaker 8 (17:53):
I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if they had stayed longer,
if they wouldn't have experienced the same thing we did
with with all of your lots.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
Of They came back in because they had to get
their personal items, but they messaged them boss I was like,
we're not going down there.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Sorry, we'll turn it off.
Speaker 7 (18:07):
Tomorrow morning and then they left.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
I love hearing that though, because like normal people run, whereas.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
We are like, let's go check it out. We're that
insane people.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
It's like, no, we're gonna stay longer.
Speaker 7 (18:24):
We gotta go.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Look, grab my sleeping bag. We're staying.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Madeline is vigorously shaking her head. No.
Speaker 8 (18:36):
I mean I don't always run, but sometimes.
Speaker 6 (18:41):
Sometimes the spirit moves me.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Oh that's a good one.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
But oh man, But it's interesting that you mentioned the
screen door, because I don't know if it's still there.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
I know you all were going to be doing summer
modeling on the second floor. Oh I'm sad.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Yeah, and there, but there was this it was called
what Wilton's Landing. Yeah, and it was like this little
front of what almost looks like an old country store
and it's got an old screen door and a porch,
and that screen door was nailed shut. There was absolutely
no way you could get that thing open. And you
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have heard screen door slamming on the second floor. And
I've had students that I've taken in my class that
have said the exact same thing that they've heard the
screen door slam up there, which is really strange. Now,
it'll be really really strange if you still hear the screen.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
Door slamming, because we don't hear cases door slamming.
Speaker 7 (19:44):
Yeah, I really hope a little bit more.
Speaker 8 (19:47):
Yeah, it's really weird because it does sound like a
screen door shutter, so I.
Speaker 6 (19:51):
Could see like it being some type of residual noise.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
From the shutters or something.
Speaker 8 (19:56):
But yeah, another one of my really weird experiences happened
in the AMBC and I I was doing something on
the second or third floor, I don't remember, but it
was before we opened, and I knew another coworker was
in the building working on the first floor. And then
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I heard what sounded like a cart full of tools
just flinging and being flung down the stairs. And I
was like, oh my gosh, what happened to him? So
I like, I run down the stairs. Look, I'm like,
what happened?
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Is he okay?
Speaker 6 (20:37):
And he wasn't in the building at all anymore?
Speaker 2 (20:39):
I called him. He was like where are you?
Speaker 7 (20:40):
He was, I'm next door.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
I looked like ten minutes ago, I'm the only one here.
Speaker 7 (20:47):
What is going on?
Speaker 8 (20:48):
Was that like the main staircase, No, it would have
been the backstaircase.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
One of the back staircases, because the last couple tours
I did here, there were there were people that were
saying they saw human footprints on the backstairs in the
a MBC, because.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
We asked Viviana, one of our facilities, if he had
cleaned at the end of the night the next day
and he told us yes, we shouldn't have seen.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Yeah, I remember that, and they were barefoot prints.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
It wouldn't be like.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
No, it wasn't like a janitor or something in there
mopping up.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (21:29):
And when all the people on the tour wearing closed.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Toad shoes, Yeah, that's a must.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
For those of you that are contemplating coming on the tour,
please make sure you're wearing closed toad shoes. That's a
strict rule. Is they will turn you away. I've seen
it happen. So anyway, we'll just move on from there.
So anything new, you haven't heard anything new.
Speaker 5 (21:56):
One of the more recent things that I've heard is
from gift shop employees. They have a little stock room
which is part of the original AMBC building that we
walled it off when it got turned into a museum,
and they're they're very chill about it, but they're like, yeah,
something lives in there, you know anymore and they're like nope,
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which coincides with when I first started, which was fall
of twenty twenty, so right when the tours were.
Speaker 7 (22:22):
Kind of starting up.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
One of the supervisors at the time told me that
she had seen things like fly off the shelves in
that room, like she was across the room and then
it would off the shelf.
Speaker 7 (22:36):
So it kind of tracks. But they said, yeah, whatever
it is doesn't feel.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Mean or angry.
Speaker 7 (22:41):
It just they're like, we know it's there, and it
knows we're here, so we go about our it.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
We just kind of mind our business and let it
mind its own calling.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
They've heard their names before and then whipped around and
no one was there.
Speaker 8 (22:53):
You know, there's something in our collections area that's similar
to We've had a lot of employees by there that
would hear a woman talking, they'd be the only person
back there. That happened to me once as well. I
was talking to a coworker I walked away. I heard something,
so I walked back and was like, Hey, what did
you say to me? She goes, Oh, that wasn't me,
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But I heard a woman's voice too. I only had
another coworker who thought that we were just like back
there messing with him because he would like hear a
woman and be like, what where are they? I know,
it's just whatever. And we've had investigators back there too
who've asked, Hey, is.
Speaker 6 (23:35):
Anyone in that room?
Speaker 8 (23:36):
And it's late at night, so no, no one's in
that room, but they're like, oh, we hear a woman talking.
Speaker 6 (23:41):
So it's just a relief common thing.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
There's just so much activity that has happened in this museum.
And I mean I went because I've been taking notes,
you know, I've started bringing students here in twenty sixteen,
and I mean I just have files of just stuff
that has happened, and I remember being on the tours
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and telling guests, hey, it's nothing that's really in your face.
It's a lot of subtle stuff that you have to really.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Kind of watch for.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
But it's consistent. It's really really consistent. And so I
mean some of the stuff that I just wrote down,
I have just like huge I'm not going to go
through this whole list year, but this is just like
a snippet the highlights from my notes when I have
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been here to investigate or bring students or be on
the tour. I've had my cameras messed with things, have
turned my cameras, turned them off, you know, and it's like, well,
you know, maybe the battery just ran out in your cameras,
Like no, this was one of my cameras that was
plugged into the wall. So it was turned off and
turned back on again, and it was like somebody was
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holding it and turning it around.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Yeah. Yeah, so I've had that. I've gone tons of.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Weird electromagnetic field readings. I don't know if you were
on the tour Medaline when we had the Emf family, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
And the Emf family.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Yeah, we had this family that you know, of course
we on the tours.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
We would give them there.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
They'd each get like a K two meter and you know,
so they could do ghost hunting in the museum. And
this family, I swear to you, every single one of
them were like pagan that K two meter just we
were like waving it around them and the entire family.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
They were setting off the K two.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
Meters in what room we were in, what building. It
just kind of went with them.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Yeah, yeah, So I don't know if it was something
about them physiologically.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Or.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Or if we we had a ghost that particularly liked them.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (26:09):
It's really really weird.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
So a nice version of fake Cacy, great.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
A nice version of fake Yeah, glad they exist? Yeah, Alison, Yes,
this is.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
This is you know, at the Palace Theater, which is
another really haunted place that we investigate in, and there's
a ghost that particularly is not fond of Alison and
follows her around and is rather it is rather grumpy.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (26:34):
I don't think those people ever reported feeling anything weird.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Or they thought it was great. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Yeah, they're like, oh cool, come on, yeah, come on,
come follow us.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
So, yes, the EMF family hearing children laughing and running
on the second floor. I remember one of my students
that I brought, and I was talking about some of
the activity that, you know, the second floor of the
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AMBC building, which for those of you that are listening,
that's the big main building. That's where the shark Bite
is and that's where the majority of the tours are.
And I was telling them about some of the activity
on the second floor because it's such an active area.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
And I had one of my.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Students, she's just kind of wandering off a little bit,
and she her face. I watch her, her face just
turns white and she comes running back to me, but
she grabs my arm and she goes, holy blankety blank blank.
She goes, there's somebody walking around over there. And I'm like,
I told you there was footsteps up here. People hear footsteps,
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and we've heard children running. We've heard children laughing, especially
right outside the syrup room. And at least what I've heard,
and y'all, can you know expand on this if you want,
is that we think that those noises are from children
that were in the boarding house that was on the
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property before the museum was built. And I heard that
there was a big fire and that some of the
children died in the fire in the boarding house.
Speaker 9 (28:22):
We haven't been able to substantiate anything yeah about fire,
but we thought, as our best educated guests, is because
there were several private dwellings and boarding houses on the property,
that that's where that comes from.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
And a lot of times the kid voices, younger voices
that we get like either through a spirit box or
people just hearing things are like looking for someone, like
someone left and they're stuck here looking for them.
Speaker 7 (28:50):
Either an older sibling or parent as usually what we get.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Yeah, okay, that makes sense too, and so yeah for that,
Oh yes, yes, the basement. I'm not going to talk
much about the basement. That's a big part of the tour.
It's where they keep a lot of their archived items.
It's really cool. It's you know, super creepy. Everybody loves
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going to the basement. Well, they don't do any kind
of communication sessions down in the basement because we believe
that there's something grumpy that resides in the basement. Well,
a couple of times I've brought students down there, and
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one of my.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Students is a native Spanish speaker.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
And we went off script because it wasn't an official tour,
and we decided to do a communication session in the
basement a couple of times before that to preface that
clean up in the basement, you know, because when everybody's gone,
we've got to you know, put up the lights and everything.
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I would turn on the spirit box. Mary Hope was
there with me a couple of times. Yeah, Madeline's like
shaking her head.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
And yeah, yeah, and I go.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
I'm just gonna ask a couple of questions, you know,
with the spirit Box and didn't get anything on the
spirit Box those that time. But the lights started flickering
and I started getting a really weird perfume smell in
the basement. And let me tell you, there is nothing
perfume like in the basement at all.
Speaker 6 (30:34):
It's just do it smells like what you think a
basement would smell like?
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Yeah, very dusty, Yeah, lots lots of dust.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Well, anyway, one of my native Spanish speaking students wanted
to do a communications session down there and he made
contact through one of the spirit Box applications with a
guy named Wan, and he was talking to Wan in Spanish.
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It was just the craziest thing. I don't understand Spanish.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
But you know, just the craziest thing.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
He's having this, you know, and asking him questions like
do you work here? Are you at work now? What's
your name? You know, these types of things. And what
we found out about Wand is that he's kind of
grumpy and he wants to be left alone. Because my
students his name is tim And and.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
He was like, well, what are you doing?
Speaker 3 (31:30):
And he would get answers like I'm working. It's like, well,
do you want to talk? No, I'm working right now,
So it was almost it wasn't rude or anything, but
it was almost like, don't bother me. I'm busy right now,
I'm working.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
So I thought that was really really interesting.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
So, yeah, that's that's one of the things that we
picked up on. Let's see what else I got here.
Speaker 8 (31:55):
One time, I had an intern who was working in
the basement, and I had not told her anything about
the hauntings, the paranormal activity at the museum, right because
why would you tell an intern that?
Speaker 6 (32:07):
And then center.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Because you want a torture me.
Speaker 8 (32:16):
And then she actually saw a full body apparition down
there of a woman.
Speaker 6 (32:23):
Dressed in Victorian clothing.
Speaker 7 (32:25):
Not just walking. We've had that we know of in
this building.
Speaker 8 (32:30):
In the a NBC, there have been full body apparitions.
Mostly it's shadow figures in the basement. I've seen several
down there.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
I didn't know there were other apparitional sightings in the
a MBC building.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Wow, that's cool. Mm hm, oh my goodness.
Speaker 8 (32:48):
Yeah, I just a MBC I believe is a man
in Victorian clothing.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Oh wow, ghost.
Speaker 7 (32:59):
That hatbox ghost.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
I have heard, you know, guests on paranormal tours that
have been touched and grabbed by phantom hands.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
I've gotten poked.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
In the butt by a ghost on the second floor.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Like something poked me in the butt. Yeah, yeah, right
around the times. Yeah, could have just been a.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Spicy somebody was getting a little spicy and frisky, I think,
and decided to, you know, do a little butt poke anyway. Anyways, yeah,
shadow figures on the second floor, the handprint that we
talked about with Mary Hope. I think one of the
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most interesting things that right before I left is on
the third floor, there's the bathrooms and they're down a
little hallway, and at the end of that hallway is
an office store where janitorial staff. I think they just
keep there. It's a really time It's not almost like
a closet. I mean it's not really big. I mean
it's not it's bigger than a closet, but it's not
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a big office. But I remember for weeks we would
hear these really loud knocks coming from the other side
of that office store.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
I don't know if that's still going on or not.
Speaker 5 (34:31):
I think there have been presenters who have said that
they've gotten knocking because it freaks the current manager out.
So that I think there were a couple towards that
she was on that they heard the knocking.
Speaker 7 (34:43):
I personally have never heard the knocking, but.
Speaker 5 (34:46):
I do remember when you brought your friend on a
tour one time and y'all went in there to do
some communication. I remember him asking, this is my friend Cindy.
Speaker 7 (34:56):
Do you know her? And Bod said don't know her?
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Wow? Okay, yeah it was pretty sassy.
Speaker 6 (35:05):
Yeah, that's where I had one of my weirdest experiences.
Speaker 7 (35:11):
I've been waiting in that office.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Yes, yeah, I was doing work.
Speaker 8 (35:17):
On the third floor before the museum opened, and I
had grabbed some step ladders out of that office and
shut the door behind me, and the locks behind you,
and you shut it. And once when I was done,
I took the step ladders back and the door was
cracked open, and I said, well, that's weird. And then
I heard whispering and the door slam shut in my face.
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I said, I really hope someone's behind there. So I
opened it up and no one was behind there, and
I said, okay, that's my sign to go back to
my side.
Speaker 7 (35:49):
This door is heavy.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
It's a heavy door.
Speaker 5 (35:51):
What is it you have to yank like it gets stuck,
so in order to fully close it you have to
So that's.
Speaker 7 (35:56):
Something you remember doing.
Speaker 5 (35:58):
Yeah, And it makes a loud like slam noise, So
it's not it's not an easy door to forget to close.
Speaker 7 (36:04):
No.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
None, None of the doors in this museum are flimsy
at all. You know, people may be listening to this
and going, oh, it was it was a breeze or somebody.
Trust me, they've got some heavy duty doors in these buildings.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
They are not.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
Susceptible to the differences like when the air conditioning kicks
on or something like that. They're just not they're just
really heavy doors.
Speaker 7 (36:30):
And another time we were in that office.
Speaker 8 (36:33):
It was when you had we were here with you
and your group of investigators and we were just in
the office while y'all were doing other things. We're trying
to see if we could get into recordings. And we
left and the lights were off, and we leave this
building and we start walking, or really that building.
Speaker 7 (36:48):
We start walking next door. We look back and the lights.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Are on in that office.
Speaker 7 (36:53):
What's going on? It's some weird energy. We all agree
not to go back. We'll figure that out later.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
It's the good. Yeah, Okay, Allison anything.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
So I guess if y'all ever hire anybody, do y'all
ever tell anybody or is there just like like you
may experience something or do you just kind of like.
Speaker 5 (37:20):
It's part of because it's one of the experiences we offer.
When we onboard staff, we talk through everything that we offer,
so it is mentioned to all staff. We don't necessarily
kind of specific stories. We don't make staff go on
a paranormal tour, and staff is not required to train
on them.
Speaker 7 (37:35):
They're optional that you can do.
Speaker 5 (37:38):
And even our presenters they may know the content, but
they may not get scheduled to them if they prefer that.
Speaker 7 (37:43):
It just kind of depends.
Speaker 5 (37:45):
So some staff get really interested, and we do allow
staff to go on them for free if they tell
us in advance, so they can go on them. And
they love to share their stories too, and that's how
we learn a lot more about what's going on is
when they start sharing and start talking. But it's not
something like in the interview where we're like surprise, unless
you're interviewing for that position. Right then we're like, hey,
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this is a part of it. This is how it
kind of works. On my first day at the museum.
I did get told to avoid the staircase to the
basement in this building because.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
It was haunted.
Speaker 7 (38:16):
I was like, it's like, first day, what are you doing.
And I did avoid it for a little.
Speaker 5 (38:23):
Bit, which I had no need to go down it
at that time, But now that I do need to
go down it, it's fine.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
Yeah, yeah, I'm not And the haunted staircase to the basement.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
I mean I when people show me.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
ORB pictures, I tell people, if you know, for every
ORB picture I've been shown, you know, if I had
a dollar for every ORB picture I've been shown, I'd
be a rich woman because people are.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Like, oh my gosh, you know it's it's a ghost.
It's a ghost.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
It's like, no, it's mostly dust or rain water, insects
or whatever. Y'all have some of the most compelling or
footage I have ever seen. And I know you show
it on the tour and you know, we may or
may not be able to post that that's pending, but
you will definitely see if you come on the tour.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
It is something.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
It is a bright light that is actually climbing the stairs,
the backstairs, and I can't explain that. It's crazy and then.
Speaker 8 (39:27):
It like ends on the landing and you see it
sit there. And then if you watch the rest of
the video, which we don't show, the entirety of myself
and some other coworkers walk through that door and you can.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
See the ORB like shoot down the stairs.
Speaker 5 (39:43):
I have not seen that part, but I have seen
the like ORB footage like myself on a tour checking
the cameras after people left, and I could see it
the exact video that we show, But I saw it
with myself, Yeah, but I was not about to record
it because I didn't want to base on my door
to slamb. I don't have a proof that I saw it,
but that's one of the ones where I'm like, I
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can't explain this because.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
I couldn't either. It was crazy.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
And I remember sending off that footage to a parapsychologist
in England and to get his take on it because
he's like super skeptical and he's like he couldn't explain it,
so it was crazy crazy.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
Any other questions, how often do you let groups come
to investigate or groups that are looking at our very
selective and then what I.
Speaker 7 (40:37):
Request only and they go through.
Speaker 5 (40:40):
I mean, usually you can email, and then they'll go
through like a vetting process and we'll look into what
they've done before if we think it fits with the
museum's mission to get them in to do more investigating.
Speaker 7 (40:52):
I'm sure if one day where.
Speaker 5 (40:53):
Like all of our content is, let's revamp it, that
that you might reach out at that point. But right
now we're not really looking for anyone to come through
and do deep dives.
Speaker 7 (41:05):
We've got I.
Speaker 8 (41:06):
Feel like we have a lot of organic content just
from staff who are here. And then we also the
interesting part about our tour that's not that way with
a lot of history ghost tours or well give you
the history of the building and the ghost stories, but
we also do.
Speaker 7 (41:25):
Investigation while on the tour as well.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
And we find stuff. Yeah, there's stuff that happens on
the tours. And I mean, I know y'all have probably
been on ghost tours before, and I mean it's usually
at least the ones I've been on, it's kind of like, oh,
there's nothing really going on, yep, you know. But now
on this one, there's pretty consistent stuff. I mean, there's
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a lot of guests that reports stuff after they after
they leave.
Speaker 8 (41:56):
We have several entities who are pretty chatty.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
We usually make contact.
Speaker 7 (42:04):
Interact a lot out even outside of tours.
Speaker 8 (42:07):
Yes, like on Halloween we were showing off, we were
showing a little bit of what we do on the
paranormal tours to other staff members, and we were making
a lot of contact then as well. At nine in
the morning or whatever, it was, Yeah, nine in the morning. Interesting, Okay,
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I think I have a fun story, but I don't
know any of you now. So I had when the
building was renovated to turn into the museum, obviously we
had contractors here, and I was talking to one of
the original contractors from that project and I said, did
you ever notice anything?
Speaker 6 (42:51):
And he was like, no, I don't think so. Then
he was like wait a minute.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
I was like, oh, and.
Speaker 6 (42:59):
He said that they were working on the second floor.
Speaker 8 (43:06):
Where the International exhibit is now, so kind of like
by our emergency staircase, and they had a big heavy
saw and they like left it at the end of
the day it was time to go home. They left
it unplugged, whatever, and they came back the next morning
and this big heavy saw was moved clear across the
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room and they had it. Figure out what happened, and
it happened multiple days in a row.
Speaker 5 (43:32):
Oh my god, I guarantee you it was not museum
staff moving as all.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (43:41):
Yeah, so that's a little hope. I used to like
to tell little early nineties lore for.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
You, early nineties lore. Wow, that's really cool. Oh my gosh. Yeah.
And Mary Hope.
Speaker 3 (43:57):
The name Mary Hope has been bantered about throughout the interview,
and I'm so glad.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
I'm so glad because she's a former tour guide.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
And as I think about all of the activity here
at the museum, it's basically got everything.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
It's got the residual activity, which.
Speaker 3 (44:17):
Is kind of that place memory where energy, which I
believe is from tragedies that happened when the tornado hit,
or possibly if there was a fire at that boarding house,
just kind of these these repetitive events.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
They they've got plenty of.
Speaker 3 (44:33):
That poltergeist activity where there have been things flying off
the desk.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
I kid you not.
Speaker 3 (44:37):
When I was cleaning up one night, I had one
of those soda cans fly off of one of the
tables and fall right behind me.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
And yes, like saws moving.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
Yeah, you know, there's big saw things moving around on
their own.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
We've got that too, and as.
Speaker 3 (44:56):
Well as the the apparitional sidings and the shadow person sidings.
Now the poulterguy stuff and the apparitional stuff.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
I really don't know what's causing that here. I don't
know if it's.
Speaker 3 (45:12):
Due to the energy from the tornado or from something
else or what it is.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
But back to Mary Hope.
Speaker 3 (45:20):
Mary Hope is one of those people that I call
a ghost magnet. And there are certain people that if
they're wired up in a certain way psychologically and you
put them in an environment that has weird kind of haunt,
has a reputation for weird kind of haunt activity, they
tend to cause or be a trigger for paranormal activity.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
We don't exactly know how that works.
Speaker 3 (45:47):
But I loved going on tours with Mary Hope for
that very reason because I knew that if she was
on the tour, there.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
Would be stuff happening.
Speaker 3 (45:57):
And it was super consistent every time that I went
on a tour with her, we would get activity.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
So it was it was pretty crazy.
Speaker 5 (46:07):
Yeah, she would always have like feelings in different parts
of the building, like physically, and one of the things
that I think of that she would always tell me
that never happened to me, but she would share is
whenever she would go up and down that back staircase,
she felt like she had had like a memory blip,
like she knew she had gotten to the first floor,
but she couldn't remember going down the stairs. And it
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would like it would can pretty consistently happen on the tours,
and I was like, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (46:33):
What that means.
Speaker 5 (46:39):
But she would walk up and down then during the
day at work and nothing like nothing would trigger it,
and then on the tours, a normal tour, she would
like blip forget she walked down the stairs.
Speaker 7 (46:49):
She was like, I got to the bottom, but how
did I get here?
Speaker 2 (46:51):
Wow, I watched you walk down.
Speaker 3 (46:52):
Don't worry, but it was crazy as one of the
ghosts messing with her.
Speaker 7 (46:57):
Probably she got messed with a lot.
Speaker 5 (46:59):
One of the gets her favorite stories to tell is
she was in one of our experiences spaces, the Old
Taste of Soda room. There was a little puddle on
the floor like it looked like someone had mopped but not.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
Fully love this story.
Speaker 7 (47:13):
And so she went and got towels and she mocked
it up, put them in the you know.
Speaker 5 (47:17):
Dirty towel bucket, and she left and she came back
and the puddle was back.
Speaker 7 (47:20):
She's like, that's odd, and it the thing.
Speaker 5 (47:22):
She cleaned it up like two or three times, and
finally she was like, there's got to be a leak
in the ceiling.
Speaker 7 (47:26):
Nobody's coming through and mopping after I leave.
Speaker 5 (47:28):
So she went to get one of our interns at
the time and brought him back and the puddle that
was on the ground when she had left was gone,
but she still had this giant pile of wet towels.
Speaker 7 (47:38):
That she had used to mop it up. So she
got she got messed with all the time.
Speaker 3 (47:44):
I love that story. Yeah, that's just more poultergeisty weird stuff.
Speaker 5 (47:47):
Well that was during the day, like just a normal
work day.
Speaker 2 (47:50):
Yeah, crazy, yeah, crazy stuff. Anything else?
Speaker 4 (47:56):
Are there any parts of the bony y'all don't like
to go to alone?
Speaker 7 (48:00):
You have to drag Someboddy with you.
Speaker 5 (48:03):
That's I mean, when the lights of the lights are
on in the basement, I don't care.
Speaker 7 (48:07):
It was the lights that the lights were off and
it was nine.
Speaker 8 (48:13):
Yeah, I think I've been here long enough that it's
just just another day.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
But we did have a really.
Speaker 8 (48:21):
Weird experience in the basement. One night and the coworkers
when you all were here investigating coworkers, very upsete. He's like,
I just want to wall off that area, and you
just started laughing. He said, I'm sorry, it's not like
ghost can't go through walls.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
Yeah, I don't think a wall would work in that case.
Speaker 7 (48:44):
I don't think so. I don't think so.
Speaker 4 (48:46):
So.
Speaker 7 (48:47):
Yeah, I just I avoided the one corner of the basement.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
Yeah, I can.
Speaker 7 (48:51):
But other than that, i'm.
Speaker 5 (48:52):
Some I mean, some employees don't care and they keep
they store things in there, so someone has to go
back there at different times.
Speaker 7 (49:00):
That made me.
Speaker 5 (49:00):
Think of our first tour together, Cindy. Yeah, it was
you and I and it was our very first tour alone.
Both of our first tours alone. It was and the
building we were having issues locking it up, and so
we had to go around and check all the doors.
All the lights were off and Siddy turns to me
as we're walking through the gallery with the lights off,
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and she goes, this is when all the ghosts come out.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (49:33):
I was like, we're here at night and it's late.
It took us like thirty minutes to get the building. Well,
we had to call somebody we did, yeah, because and
I mean we checked the buildings from stem to stern
like three times, because you know, here we're both these
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bright shiny new little paranormal employees and we're trying to
be goo little worker bees and get it all done
and be we're responsible. And for the life of us,
we checked all the doors, all the alarms, everything, and
we could not figure out why why the alarm was
not setting mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
Yeah, it was a ghost in the system. Clearly they
were messing with us.
Speaker 3 (50:17):
There's a Yeah, there's a certain ghost which will not
be named in this particular interview, that very place, very playful.
Speaker 2 (50:26):
Very playful.
Speaker 8 (50:27):
Yeah. One time I was emptying soda cans. These are
very old soda cans, mind you, that I had acquired
and so from like the nineties. They're very old, there
should be no carbonation left. I'm emptying it and the.
Speaker 6 (50:41):
One just explodes all all over my face. It was,
where did this come from?
Speaker 2 (50:47):
What is happening?
Speaker 8 (50:49):
And so in a tour later on, we made contact
with that spirit and I asked if that was him,
and he said, yeah, he.
Speaker 7 (51:02):
Claims the poking of Cindy.
Speaker 2 (51:04):
Yeah, yeah, frisky, frisky dude.
Speaker 8 (51:10):
Well, you see me interact with him, He is like
super do it when I use the duncing rons to
interact with him.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (51:19):
For those of you, yes, if you do want to
find out more about this, this playful ghost, please come
on the tour. And they they make regular contact with him,
and he is a character.
Speaker 2 (51:33):
I'll just leave it at that. So that's why I
chalk most of my experiences to a lot of people.
He's kind of a scapegoat, you know. Just blame it
on mm hmmm.
Speaker 7 (51:47):
If he says no, then I'll believe him. But most
of the time he says yes.
Speaker 2 (51:51):
M hmm. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (51:53):
I only have heard for him to be in one spot.
Is he moving in multiple spots that you know of.
Speaker 8 (51:59):
Ye, he goes throughout both buildings and in the courtyard
and follows specific stuff members like myself during the day.
Speaker 2 (52:10):
Happy for you.
Speaker 5 (52:10):
Yeah, so Happy doesn't like to hang out with me.
He'll talk me, but you won't.
Speaker 6 (52:19):
Yeah, that's because you're you're so skeptical. That's the problem.
I don't know what to tell you.
Speaker 7 (52:28):
I want to believe, but I just like not hardwired
to do that.
Speaker 3 (52:33):
It's so funny that you say that we've spent the
last hour talking about all this crazy stuff that has
happened here in the building and continues to happen, and
you're like me, I.
Speaker 7 (52:44):
Still have to suspend it a little bit, and.
Speaker 6 (52:46):
I will tell her things and she's.
Speaker 2 (52:48):
Like nope and leave. Yeah, sure, Madeline, Sure yeah. I
kind of ran into that too. It's like she shuts down.
She's like, no, I don't want to hear it.
Speaker 7 (53:00):
I like the idea of it, but then it actually
happens and like.
Speaker 2 (53:03):
Nope, yeah, nope, nope, I don't want to know about it. Nope.
Speaker 3 (53:09):
Anybody have any partying questions, any partying words.
Speaker 2 (53:13):
Anything, I don't think.
Speaker 4 (53:15):
So, you know, think I was a little quiet because
I enjoyed just listening. I've never actually like investigated here,
so I find it, you know, interesting.
Speaker 2 (53:27):
Just to hear stories.
Speaker 3 (53:28):
And for some reason I thought you did an investigate
or we're on an investigation here.
Speaker 4 (53:34):
I came here briefly for the kids one.
Speaker 2 (53:39):
Okay, because that's right that you had told.
Speaker 4 (53:41):
Me about Yes, So I I had just come because
you had told me about it, and I've never been here,
so I was like, okay, whatever.
Speaker 7 (53:50):
Like let's go check it out, just see what it is.
Speaker 4 (53:53):
Outside of that, never been here on like an actual tour,
never done an investigating. So that's why I like, I
don't have much. I can't put in the pot too
much other than just sit here and look.
Speaker 7 (54:06):
Pretty and make sure audio is great.
Speaker 2 (54:09):
We'll have to remedy that. We'll just have to remedy that.
Speaker 3 (54:14):
We'll have to get you in here after dark and
see what you see because I know you'll see stuff.
Speaker 2 (54:20):
I know you will. It's a good time. Alison's more
of a ghost magnet too, so I was like I
think I would.
Speaker 4 (54:28):
It's kind of relatable though, like I can relate to
you all because I used to work out of Batlaco,
so I would have to.
Speaker 6 (54:36):
Ignore a lot just to be like.
Speaker 2 (54:40):
That happens.
Speaker 4 (54:42):
I definitely understand being part of a historic building like that,
and you're just like, I can't right now.
Speaker 2 (54:50):
I can't. It's a coping mechanism.
Speaker 3 (54:55):
Okay, well if you do, ladies, have anything else to
say before we sign off. Thanks so thanks for thanks
for allowing it. Allison and I have been so looking
forward to this interview because we knew that there would.
Speaker 2 (55:12):
Be a lot of really cool stories. So thank you
so much and That's that's it for now.
Speaker 1 (55:19):
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Speaker 2 (55:53):
Thanks
Welcome to Spooky, a paranormal podcast, joined doctor Cindy Little
and Alison Robles as they journey through the realms of
the supernatural, mysterious, and downright eerie, from ghostly apparitions to poltergeists,
from haunted houses to strange phenomena. Prepare to have your
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your headphones, dim the lights, embrace yourself for a journey
into the unknown.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
If you dare all right, Welcome everybody to Spooky. We
are back.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
We took a little many Thanksgiving vacation in November, so
but we are back in full force and today we
have a really exciting interview with Madeline Fritz and Rachel
Nadu Johnson.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Madeline is the Doctor Pepper.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Museums Education and Engagement Manager and Rachel is the collections manager.
And the reason why we are here at the Doctor
Pepper Museum is because it is one of Waco's haunted
hotspots and I have a long history of investigating and
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working here on the paranormal tours at the museum, and
we are just going to spend this time talking with
Madeline and Rachel about some of the really cool stuff
that has happened here to them and to employees.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
And we'll just kind of get into that.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Yes, Madeline and I have a history because we used
to do the paranormal tours together.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Are you still doing those?
Speaker 4 (01:46):
I am not.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
I stopped on your last one, actually was my last one.
I know.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Oh man, it's okay.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
I'm hoping once my schedule permits to get back to
doing them, because you know what, it's been a few months,
but I kind of miss them.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
They're fun, They're fun there, so you know, maybe at
some point in the future.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
And one thing that I thought was really interesting about
Mantelin is that doing the paranormal tours, she was always
really enthusiastic and is an amazing tour guide, but she's
not much on believing in ghosts, So what is up
with that.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
I lean towards the skepticism side. If something happens, I'm
going to try to explain it the way with science
before anything else. So there was one time people found
a handprint on a glass door, and in my mind,
that chalks up to it didn't get cleaned at the
end of the day, or someone a kid touched it.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
You know, So things like that.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
So there are things that I think we can't explain
in the world, and perhaps that is ghost scryptids, whatever,
but I will try to explain first, especially in my
workplace where I have to go every single day.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
I don't want to be scared.
Speaker 6 (02:59):
I think there's a little explainable things.
Speaker 7 (03:01):
There are, just you.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
I just remember that when we were going on tours,
occasionally something kind of weird and speaking would happen, and
I'd go over and talk to Madeline about it.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
She's like, you know, I really don't want to know
about it.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
I don't want to know my philosophy on the tours.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
The other tour guide can do the investigate and like
really dive deep, and then I'll make sure the people
are okay, and I'll corral the people, so if something
weird happens, you can run off and I'll keep the
people happy.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
You'll keep the people happy, all right, Okay, fair enough.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I think that you're more into ghosts movement, though I
don't know. I agree.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
I left the theory behind it and like taking your
Unity course and all of that and learning more about like.
Speaker 7 (03:51):
The research that has been done. That part to me
is fascinating.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
Do I want to experience something in my daily life.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Maybe not, you've already experienced here at the museum. I
know you try. Yes, So this is just a quick
question to both of you before we get into the
release spooky uokie stuff, if y'all wouldn't mind talking a
little bit about kind of the history of the museum,
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just kind of give an overview of the history of
the museum here. That'd be awesome.
Speaker 8 (04:24):
You mean time, Yes, go ahead, okay, And so the
museum is located in two historic buildings. One was built
in eighteen eighty two and the other was built in
nineteen o six. The eighteen eighty two building was originally
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a wholesale grocer. The building that was built in nineteen
o six, it's or was the Artusia Manufacturing Bottling Company,
which is the home of Doctor Pepper. Yes, very exciting,
and it was the first building opened as part of
the museum. Museum open to the public in nineteen ninety one,
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and since then we've had over three million visitors, which
is pretty impressively.
Speaker 7 (05:11):
A million this year.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
We did wait a minute, this year.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
This year, Yes, not three million in one year. Oh,
that's what the museum. This year we hit three million.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
A lot.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Okay, yeah, wow, ye, all right, anything else?
Speaker 8 (05:31):
History wise, the Artisian Manufacturing and Bottling Company building is
on land that originally had private dwellings and boarding houses
on it. Those buildings were moved to then build the
Bottling Company building.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
And that factory was in production to about nineteen sixty
five nineteen sixteen minutes, sat by get for a while
until it was turned into a museum.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Awesome, okay, And yes the building was and this is
gonna be important later on as we started talking about things,
the building was hit by the nineteen fifty three tornado.
Can you talk a little.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Bit about that. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
In May eleventh, nineteen fifty three and five tornado, which
was the largest you could have on the old tornado scale,
came through downtown Waco about four ten in the afternoon,
did a ton.
Speaker 7 (06:24):
Of property damage.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
I killed one hundred and fourteen people, one of which
was on our property, and took a big chunk out
of the side of our building. It completely demolished the
original drug store where Doctor Pepper was created, the old
Corner drug store flattened it. They didn't rebuild, but they
did rebuild our building, and now we have a nice
little shark.
Speaker 7 (06:44):
Bite on the side that looks you can see.
Speaker 6 (06:46):
The scar of it.
Speaker 8 (06:48):
Yes, and it also our second building. It took the
entire second floor off of the second building.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Bough, I didn't know that.
Speaker 8 (06:54):
Yes, yes, this building used to have two stories, but
they did went ahead and didn't rebuild that.
Speaker 7 (07:01):
They actually added an edition in the back.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Yeah. Cool.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Now, the shark bit that they're talking about is where
the tornado hit the side of the building, and.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
It's built with these very distinct.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Yellow bricks, and when they went to rebuild that part
of the building again, they couldn't find bricks that matched
it exactly. So it looks like, literally looks like a
big bite has been taken out of the side of
the building and repaired. And so it's just been nicknamed
the shark bite. And we'll post a picture of the
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side of the building where y'all can see the shark
bite if you haven't been to the museum. So cool, Allison,
any any questions, any anything you want to ask or.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Not yet yet?
Speaker 4 (07:49):
I mean, is a Waco native. Most of this is
pretty normal, pretty normal, pretty normal information. So yeah, the
shark bite, Yeah, totally. Yeah, at the picture in my
head right now. It's great.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Oh yeah, yeah, so yeah, it is kind of full looking.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
But anything else on the museum history or anything they can.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Think of.
Speaker 7 (08:18):
Doant like history of the paranormal tour.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
You can talk a little bit about how that started. Yeah,
that would be great.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
He didn't always know this place was haunted, right, just
weird things over the years kept happening since.
Speaker 8 (08:32):
I've been here. We've always had like investigators and everything come.
So it was pretty well known since.
Speaker 6 (08:38):
I've been here at least, and I've been here eleven years.
Speaker 8 (08:43):
So but yes, in twenty twenty, when we were all home,
we were working on different programmatic things that the museum
could be doing, because that's one of the things we
could do while working from home. And something we had
always talked about was creating something around the paranormal activity
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associated with the building. And so myself and the education
manager at the time created this tour and we started
running it in August of twenty twenty and had been
running it.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Ever since, and it fills up all the time.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
For those of you that are listening and have not
had a chance to go on the Doctor Pepper Paranormal Tour,
sign up at least a few weeks in advance because
it fills up very very quick.
Speaker 7 (09:41):
I guess we have there every Saturday throughout.
Speaker 5 (09:45):
The year, and then October we'll do them every Friday
and Saturday, pending weird events and one off.
Speaker 7 (09:50):
But all of that availability can.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Be found on the website. So yeah, yeah, go to
the website.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
It's a really cool tour, if I do say some self,
at least when Madeline and I were doing it was
a very cool tool.
Speaker 7 (10:01):
I'm sure it's still really cool.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
I'm sure it's really cool.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Yes, I'm really happy that y'all opened up to having
a paranormal tour Because I, as a paranormal investigator, came
to the museum. I would say, oh, my goodness, probably
way back twenty ten ish, before you know, ten years,
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maybe maybe a little later, maybe twelve, twenty twelve, twenty thirteen,
before you even thought about having the tours. And I
left my card at the front desk and said, hey,
you know, I'm a paranormal investigator. I've heard that the
museum is haunted. If there's a way I could get
in and do an investigation, that would be great. And
they took my card and said, nope, we don't have
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any ghosts here. I'm like okay, and that was the
end of that until fast forward to when y'all started
the Paranormal tour. I remember getting to do be part
of an investigation before that happened, and so that was.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Really a lot of fun.
Speaker 6 (11:07):
Yeah, that was a very interesting investigation when.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
You came in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 7 (11:12):
Yes, a lot of activity.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Yes, yes, it's talked about on the tour. Yeah, yeah,
it was. It was quite an investigation. We found out
a lot of cool stuff that there again is mentioned
on the tour.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
So okay, So moving along here, got all.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
That, So I'd like to know and Allison, if there's
anything you want to.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Know, feel free to hop right in.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
I'm trying to think of stuff I promised.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
I know, I know, I'm just well, we're getting to
the spooky dookie stuff now. So any personal paranormal experiences.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
That you all have had, and is.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
There anything like new that you know of that's happened within.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
I don't know, the last month or so. I should
have tried to gather stories.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
Before this from the presenters that do it. I think
one of my weirdest ones was we were leading a
group it was on a paranormal tour leading a group
back in and there's a closet in our soda fountain
that houses the mops and everything, and it latches shut,
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and when we had left the building, it was closed.
And we were walking up to the KR building, the
one that was built in eighteen eighty two, about to
go in, and the other tour guide sees a shadow
figure in a window, so she peels off and goes
and I think you were on this tour. It was
with Mary Hope. That was when y'all went to that
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door and started looking. So I'm with the tour group
and I'm still leading them on the tour and we
walk into the soda fountain and.
Speaker 7 (12:53):
That latched door is just open.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
And then in the moment, I'm like looking around because
i know y'all are off, but I'm like, I'm with this.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Big group of people.
Speaker 7 (13:03):
Make it seem like it's normal. This door is supposed
to be open.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
And then I saw a little stuffed lion in the
bottom of a barrel, and I jumped out of my
skin because I thought.
Speaker 7 (13:14):
It was a little animal.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
That's probably one of the more like freaked out times
I've been, but it was just kind of me scaring myself.
But I still can't explain that door because it was
it was latched. I don't and no one went in
that building after us, and y'all were away looking at
the handprint and.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
The yeah, eyeshadow figure. So I was like, I did
not know the other side of that story. Yeah, that
is your side of the story. Yeah, you're absolutely right.
What Madeline's talking about is, Yeah, it was on a
tour and we were with our other tour guide, Mary Hope,
who is what I call a ghost magnet, and we'll
talk about ghost magnets here in a minute. And so yes,
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we were all out in the courtyard and we looked
at the glass door and it was in the in
the KR building here that we're in now, and and
Mary Hopes is there. I saw a shadow person in
the glass door. I just saw them peek out and
then they peeked back in again. So we got really
excited about it and hustled in. Yes, left Madeline to
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babysit the guests, and that's ok. As we zoomed off
to the door to see what was going on, and
the janitorial staff had just been there, and they'd windexed
all the doors and windows and everything, and we saw
this perfect handprint right in the middle of the glass door.
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So we thought that was pretty cool. Madeline's a little skeptical,
but that's okay. So I thought it was pretty cool.
I didn't know there was another I didn't know the
other door was open, ye, with a creepy little lion
sitting there.
Speaker 7 (14:52):
Well, because y'all had run off.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Plus, like, are you making so.
Speaker 7 (15:00):
Bullying as me?
Speaker 5 (15:01):
You were about maybe fifty feet away around the corner,
so like if I would have screamed, y'a would have
heard the something had happened bad. But tensions were already high,
is the point, because y'all had seen something.
Speaker 7 (15:13):
So I'm already on edge. And then I walk into the.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
Doors open and I jump at a little stuffed lying
I didn't hear that. Finny story man.
Speaker 8 (15:22):
Also, it makes you feel any better, I've seen a
ton of shadow figures in this building.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Top.
Speaker 7 (15:27):
That doesn't make me feel better.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
No, no, okay, Rachel, now you have to share.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
I don't know any of your stories.
Speaker 8 (15:40):
I think one of my weirdest experiences was actually on
a paranormal tour and slightly after the paranormal.
Speaker 7 (15:47):
Tour, but.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
We were.
Speaker 8 (15:54):
We were headed to the basement and we heard a
door slam out of nowhere.
Speaker 7 (15:57):
And we were like, that's weird.
Speaker 8 (16:00):
On the tour was like that's weird, and I said, okay,
let's go to the creepy basement now.
Speaker 7 (16:05):
So we went down there, we did our thing, we.
Speaker 8 (16:07):
Came back, we showed the guests out, and then the
other tour guide and I were packing everything up, closing
everything down, and then we just heard so many doors slam,
like repeatedly, which doesn't make sense, Like the doors here
are all locked, Like no, there's no way for.
Speaker 7 (16:26):
Them to just open.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Yeah, that lam wild. These are heavy doors.
Speaker 8 (16:29):
Yes, so they were just slamming. And I looked at
the security cameras real quick. I'm like, we couldn't see anything,
and said, okay, I'm gonna leave now.
Speaker 7 (16:39):
The stay of the building.
Speaker 8 (16:43):
Run out now, and I'll let someone else know that
they might get a call.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
That is wild. Yes, I hadn't heard that story.
Speaker 8 (16:56):
Yeah, and it's pretty common in the Ambe to hear
doors slam.
Speaker 5 (17:02):
A couple of stories the A like doors that were
like bolted shut they heard.
Speaker 7 (17:08):
Yeah, it sounds It usually sounds like.
Speaker 8 (17:10):
A screen door or a shutter is slamming, but this
building's a little more rare.
Speaker 7 (17:16):
And for it to be that active was a bit peculiar.
Mary Hope had a basement door slam story too, yea.
Speaker 5 (17:25):
She and the tour guide, they had let the guests out,
and they had stopped at the security cameras to check
and make sure they didn't see anything weird, and they
saw what they thought were orbs going through one of
the cameras, so she pulled their phone out to videotape it,
and they heard the basement door slam, and they both
ran out of the building. Like there's security footage of
them running out of the building.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
And they were mercilessly teased about it as well.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
Yes, and that footage exists somewhere.
Speaker 7 (17:50):
I get people to try and show it to me.
Speaker 8 (17:53):
I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if they had stayed longer,
if they wouldn't have experienced the same thing we did
with with all of your lots.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
Of They came back in because they had to get
their personal items, but they messaged them boss I was like,
we're not going down there.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Sorry, we'll turn it off.
Speaker 7 (18:07):
Tomorrow morning and then they left.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
I love hearing that though, because like normal people run, whereas.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
We are like, let's go check it out. We're that
insane people.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
It's like, no, we're gonna stay longer.
Speaker 7 (18:24):
We gotta go.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Look, grab my sleeping bag. We're staying.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Madeline is vigorously shaking her head. No.
Speaker 8 (18:36):
I mean I don't always run, but sometimes.
Speaker 6 (18:41):
Sometimes the spirit moves me.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Oh that's a good one.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
But oh man, But it's interesting that you mentioned the
screen door, because I don't know if it's still there.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
I know you all were going to be doing summer
modeling on the second floor. Oh I'm sad.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Yeah, and there, but there was this it was called
what Wilton's Landing. Yeah, and it was like this little
front of what almost looks like an old country store
and it's got an old screen door and a porch,
and that screen door was nailed shut. There was absolutely
no way you could get that thing open. And you
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have heard screen door slamming on the second floor. And
I've had students that I've taken in my class that
have said the exact same thing that they've heard the
screen door slam up there, which is really strange. Now,
it'll be really really strange if you still hear the screen.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
Door slamming, because we don't hear cases door slamming.
Speaker 7 (19:44):
Yeah, I really hope a little bit more.
Speaker 8 (19:47):
Yeah, it's really weird because it does sound like a
screen door shutter, so I.
Speaker 6 (19:51):
Could see like it being some type of residual noise.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
From the shutters or something.
Speaker 8 (19:56):
But yeah, another one of my really weird experiences happened
in the AMBC and I I was doing something on
the second or third floor, I don't remember, but it
was before we opened, and I knew another coworker was
in the building working on the first floor. And then
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I heard what sounded like a cart full of tools
just flinging and being flung down the stairs. And I
was like, oh my gosh, what happened to him? So
I like, I run down the stairs. Look, I'm like,
what happened?
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Is he okay?
Speaker 6 (20:37):
And he wasn't in the building at all anymore?
Speaker 2 (20:39):
I called him. He was like where are you?
Speaker 7 (20:40):
He was, I'm next door.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
I looked like ten minutes ago, I'm the only one here.
Speaker 7 (20:47):
What is going on?
Speaker 8 (20:48):
Was that like the main staircase, No, it would have
been the backstaircase.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
One of the back staircases, because the last couple tours
I did here, there were there were people that were
saying they saw human footprints on the backstairs in the
a MBC, because.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
We asked Viviana, one of our facilities, if he had
cleaned at the end of the night the next day
and he told us yes, we shouldn't have seen.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Yeah, I remember that, and they were barefoot prints.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
It wouldn't be like.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
No, it wasn't like a janitor or something in there
mopping up.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (21:29):
And when all the people on the tour wearing closed.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Toad shoes, Yeah, that's a must.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
For those of you that are contemplating coming on the tour,
please make sure you're wearing closed toad shoes. That's a
strict rule. Is they will turn you away. I've seen
it happen. So anyway, we'll just move on from there.
So anything new, you haven't heard anything new.
Speaker 5 (21:56):
One of the more recent things that I've heard is
from gift shop employees. They have a little stock room
which is part of the original AMBC building that we
walled it off when it got turned into a museum,
and they're they're very chill about it, but they're like, yeah,
something lives in there, you know anymore and they're like nope,
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which coincides with when I first started, which was fall
of twenty twenty, so right when the tours were.
Speaker 7 (22:22):
Kind of starting up.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
One of the supervisors at the time told me that
she had seen things like fly off the shelves in
that room, like she was across the room and then
it would off the shelf.
Speaker 7 (22:36):
So it kind of tracks. But they said, yeah, whatever
it is doesn't feel.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Mean or angry.
Speaker 7 (22:41):
It just they're like, we know it's there, and it
knows we're here, so we go about our it.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
We just kind of mind our business and let it
mind its own calling.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
They've heard their names before and then whipped around and
no one was there.
Speaker 8 (22:53):
You know, there's something in our collections area that's similar
to We've had a lot of employees by there that
would hear a woman talking, they'd be the only person
back there. That happened to me once as well. I
was talking to a coworker I walked away. I heard something,
so I walked back and was like, Hey, what did
you say to me? She goes, Oh, that wasn't me,
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But I heard a woman's voice too. I only had
another coworker who thought that we were just like back
there messing with him because he would like hear a
woman and be like, what where are they? I know,
it's just whatever. And we've had investigators back there too
who've asked, Hey, is.
Speaker 6 (23:35):
Anyone in that room?
Speaker 8 (23:36):
And it's late at night, so no, no one's in
that room, but they're like, oh, we hear a woman talking.
Speaker 6 (23:41):
So it's just a relief common thing.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
There's just so much activity that has happened in this museum.
And I mean I went because I've been taking notes,
you know, I've started bringing students here in twenty sixteen,
and I mean I just have files of just stuff
that has happened, and I remember being on the tours
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and telling guests, hey, it's nothing that's really in your face.
It's a lot of subtle stuff that you have to really.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Kind of watch for.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
But it's consistent. It's really really consistent. And so I
mean some of the stuff that I just wrote down,
I have just like huge I'm not going to go
through this whole list year, but this is just like
a snippet the highlights from my notes when I have
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been here to investigate or bring students or be on
the tour. I've had my cameras messed with things, have
turned my cameras, turned them off, you know, and it's like, well,
you know, maybe the battery just ran out in your cameras,
Like no, this was one of my cameras that was
plugged into the wall. So it was turned off and
turned back on again, and it was like somebody was
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holding it and turning it around.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Yeah. Yeah, so I've had that. I've gone tons of.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Weird electromagnetic field readings. I don't know if you were
on the tour Medaline when we had the Emf family, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
And the Emf family.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Yeah, we had this family that you know, of course
we on the tours.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
We would give them there.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
They'd each get like a K two meter and you know,
so they could do ghost hunting in the museum. And
this family, I swear to you, every single one of
them were like pagan that K two meter just we
were like waving it around them and the entire family.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
They were setting off the K two.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
Meters in what room we were in, what building. It
just kind of went with them.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Yeah, yeah, So I don't know if it was something
about them physiologically.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Or.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Or if we we had a ghost that particularly liked them.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (26:09):
It's really really weird.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
So a nice version of fake Cacy, great.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
A nice version of fake Yeah, glad they exist? Yeah, Alison, Yes,
this is.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
This is you know, at the Palace Theater, which is
another really haunted place that we investigate in, and there's
a ghost that particularly is not fond of Alison and
follows her around and is rather it is rather grumpy.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (26:34):
I don't think those people ever reported feeling anything weird.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Or they thought it was great. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Yeah, they're like, oh cool, come on, yeah, come on,
come follow us.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
So, yes, the EMF family hearing children laughing and running
on the second floor. I remember one of my students
that I brought, and I was talking about some of
the activity that, you know, the second floor of the
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AMBC building, which for those of you that are listening,
that's the big main building. That's where the shark Bite
is and that's where the majority of the tours are.
And I was telling them about some of the activity
on the second floor because it's such an active area.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
And I had one of my.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Students, she's just kind of wandering off a little bit,
and she her face. I watch her, her face just
turns white and she comes running back to me, but
she grabs my arm and she goes, holy blankety blank blank.
She goes, there's somebody walking around over there. And I'm like,
I told you there was footsteps up here. People hear footsteps,
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and we've heard children running. We've heard children laughing, especially
right outside the syrup room. And at least what I've heard,
and y'all, can you know expand on this if you want,
is that we think that those noises are from children
that were in the boarding house that was on the
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property before the museum was built. And I heard that
there was a big fire and that some of the
children died in the fire in the boarding house.
Speaker 9 (28:22):
We haven't been able to substantiate anything yeah about fire,
but we thought, as our best educated guests, is because
there were several private dwellings and boarding houses on the property,
that that's where that comes from.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
And a lot of times the kid voices, younger voices
that we get like either through a spirit box or
people just hearing things are like looking for someone, like
someone left and they're stuck here looking for them.
Speaker 7 (28:50):
Either an older sibling or parent as usually what we get.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Yeah, okay, that makes sense too, and so yeah for that,
Oh yes, yes, the basement. I'm not going to talk
much about the basement. That's a big part of the tour.
It's where they keep a lot of their archived items.
It's really cool. It's you know, super creepy. Everybody loves
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going to the basement. Well, they don't do any kind
of communication sessions down in the basement because we believe
that there's something grumpy that resides in the basement. Well,
a couple of times I've brought students down there, and
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one of my.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Students is a native Spanish speaker.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
And we went off script because it wasn't an official tour,
and we decided to do a communication session in the
basement a couple of times before that to preface that
clean up in the basement, you know, because when everybody's gone,
we've got to you know, put up the lights and everything.
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I would turn on the spirit box. Mary Hope was
there with me a couple of times. Yeah, Madeline's like
shaking her head.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
And yeah, yeah, and I go.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
I'm just gonna ask a couple of questions, you know,
with the spirit Box and didn't get anything on the
spirit Box those that time. But the lights started flickering
and I started getting a really weird perfume smell in
the basement. And let me tell you, there is nothing
perfume like in the basement at all.
Speaker 6 (30:34):
It's just do it smells like what you think a
basement would smell like?
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Yeah, very dusty, Yeah, lots lots of dust.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Well, anyway, one of my native Spanish speaking students wanted
to do a communications session down there and he made
contact through one of the spirit Box applications with a
guy named Wan, and he was talking to Wan in Spanish.
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It was just the craziest thing. I don't understand Spanish.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
But you know, just the craziest thing.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
He's having this, you know, and asking him questions like
do you work here? Are you at work now? What's
your name? You know, these types of things. And what
we found out about Wand is that he's kind of
grumpy and he wants to be left alone. Because my
students his name is tim And and.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
He was like, well, what are you doing?
Speaker 3 (31:30):
And he would get answers like I'm working. It's like, well,
do you want to talk? No, I'm working right now,
So it was almost it wasn't rude or anything, but
it was almost like, don't bother me. I'm busy right now,
I'm working.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
So I thought that was really really interesting.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
So, yeah, that's that's one of the things that we
picked up on. Let's see what else I got here.
Speaker 8 (31:55):
One time, I had an intern who was working in
the basement, and I had not told her anything about
the hauntings, the paranormal activity at the museum, right because
why would you tell an intern that?
Speaker 6 (32:07):
And then center.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Because you want a torture me.
Speaker 8 (32:16):
And then she actually saw a full body apparition down
there of a woman.
Speaker 6 (32:23):
Dressed in Victorian clothing.
Speaker 7 (32:25):
Not just walking. We've had that we know of in
this building.
Speaker 8 (32:30):
In the a NBC, there have been full body apparitions.
Mostly it's shadow figures in the basement. I've seen several
down there.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
I didn't know there were other apparitional sightings in the
a MBC building.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Wow, that's cool. Mm hm, oh my goodness.
Speaker 8 (32:48):
Yeah, I just a MBC I believe is a man
in Victorian clothing.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Oh wow, ghost.
Speaker 7 (32:59):
That hatbox ghost.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
I have heard, you know, guests on paranormal tours that
have been touched and grabbed by phantom hands.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
I've gotten poked.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
In the butt by a ghost on the second floor.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Like something poked me in the butt. Yeah, yeah, right
around the times. Yeah, could have just been a.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Spicy somebody was getting a little spicy and frisky, I think,
and decided to, you know, do a little butt poke anyway. Anyways, yeah,
shadow figures on the second floor, the handprint that we
talked about with Mary Hope. I think one of the
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most interesting things that right before I left is on
the third floor, there's the bathrooms and they're down a
little hallway, and at the end of that hallway is
an office store where janitorial staff. I think they just
keep there. It's a really time It's not almost like
a closet. I mean it's not really big. I mean
it's not it's bigger than a closet, but it's not
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a big office. But I remember for weeks we would
hear these really loud knocks coming from the other side
of that office store.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
I don't know if that's still going on or not.
Speaker 5 (34:31):
I think there have been presenters who have said that
they've gotten knocking because it freaks the current manager out.
So that I think there were a couple towards that
she was on that they heard the knocking.
Speaker 7 (34:43):
I personally have never heard the knocking, but.
Speaker 5 (34:46):
I do remember when you brought your friend on a
tour one time and y'all went in there to do
some communication. I remember him asking, this is my friend Cindy.
Speaker 7 (34:56):
Do you know her? And Bod said don't know her?
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Wow? Okay, yeah it was pretty sassy.
Speaker 6 (35:05):
Yeah, that's where I had one of my weirdest experiences.
Speaker 7 (35:11):
I've been waiting in that office.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Yes, yeah, I was doing work.
Speaker 8 (35:17):
On the third floor before the museum opened, and I
had grabbed some step ladders out of that office and
shut the door behind me, and the locks behind you,
and you shut it. And once when I was done,
I took the step ladders back and the door was
cracked open, and I said, well, that's weird. And then
I heard whispering and the door slam shut in my face.
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I said, I really hope someone's behind there. So I
opened it up and no one was behind there, and
I said, okay, that's my sign to go back to
my side.
Speaker 7 (35:49):
This door is heavy.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
It's a heavy door.
Speaker 5 (35:51):
What is it you have to yank like it gets stuck,
so in order to fully close it you have to
So that's.
Speaker 7 (35:56):
Something you remember doing.
Speaker 5 (35:58):
Yeah, And it makes a loud like slam noise, So
it's not it's not an easy door to forget to close.
Speaker 7 (36:04):
No.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
None, None of the doors in this museum are flimsy
at all. You know, people may be listening to this
and going, oh, it was it was a breeze or somebody.
Trust me, they've got some heavy duty doors in these buildings.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
They are not.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
Susceptible to the differences like when the air conditioning kicks
on or something like that. They're just not they're just
really heavy doors.
Speaker 7 (36:30):
And another time we were in that office.
Speaker 8 (36:33):
It was when you had we were here with you
and your group of investigators and we were just in
the office while y'all were doing other things. We're trying
to see if we could get into recordings. And we
left and the lights were off, and we leave this
building and we start walking, or really that building.
Speaker 7 (36:48):
We start walking next door. We look back and the lights.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Are on in that office.
Speaker 7 (36:53):
What's going on? It's some weird energy. We all agree
not to go back. We'll figure that out later.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
It's the good. Yeah, Okay, Allison anything.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
So I guess if y'all ever hire anybody, do y'all
ever tell anybody or is there just like like you
may experience something or do you just kind of like.
Speaker 5 (37:20):
It's part of because it's one of the experiences we offer.
When we onboard staff, we talk through everything that we offer,
so it is mentioned to all staff. We don't necessarily
kind of specific stories. We don't make staff go on
a paranormal tour, and staff is not required to train
on them.
Speaker 7 (37:35):
They're optional that you can do.
Speaker 5 (37:38):
And even our presenters they may know the content, but
they may not get scheduled to them if they prefer that.
Speaker 7 (37:43):
It just kind of depends.
Speaker 5 (37:45):
So some staff get really interested, and we do allow
staff to go on them for free if they tell
us in advance, so they can go on them. And
they love to share their stories too, and that's how
we learn a lot more about what's going on is
when they start sharing and start talking. But it's not
something like in the interview where we're like surprise, unless
you're interviewing for that position. Right then we're like, hey,
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this is a part of it. This is how it
kind of works. On my first day at the museum.
I did get told to avoid the staircase to the
basement in this building because.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
It was haunted.
Speaker 7 (38:16):
I was like, it's like, first day, what are you doing.
And I did avoid it for a little.
Speaker 5 (38:23):
Bit, which I had no need to go down it
at that time, But now that I do need to
go down it, it's fine.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
Yeah, yeah, I'm not And the haunted staircase to the basement.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
I mean I when people show me.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
ORB pictures, I tell people, if you know, for every
ORB picture I've been shown, you know, if I had
a dollar for every ORB picture I've been shown, I'd
be a rich woman because people are.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Like, oh my gosh, you know it's it's a ghost.
It's a ghost.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
It's like, no, it's mostly dust or rain water, insects
or whatever. Y'all have some of the most compelling or
footage I have ever seen. And I know you show
it on the tour and you know, we may or
may not be able to post that that's pending, but
you will definitely see if you come on the tour.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
It is something.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
It is a bright light that is actually climbing the stairs,
the backstairs, and I can't explain that. It's crazy and then.
Speaker 8 (39:27):
It like ends on the landing and you see it
sit there. And then if you watch the rest of
the video, which we don't show, the entirety of myself
and some other coworkers walk through that door and you can.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
See the ORB like shoot down the stairs.
Speaker 5 (39:43):
I have not seen that part, but I have seen
the like ORB footage like myself on a tour checking
the cameras after people left, and I could see it
the exact video that we show, But I saw it
with myself, Yeah, but I was not about to record
it because I didn't want to base on my door
to slamb. I don't have a proof that I saw it,
but that's one of the ones where I'm like, I
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can't explain this because.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
I couldn't either. It was crazy.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
And I remember sending off that footage to a parapsychologist
in England and to get his take on it because
he's like super skeptical and he's like he couldn't explain it,
so it was crazy crazy.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
Any other questions, how often do you let groups come
to investigate or groups that are looking at our very
selective and then what I.
Speaker 7 (40:37):
Request only and they go through.
Speaker 5 (40:40):
I mean, usually you can email, and then they'll go
through like a vetting process and we'll look into what
they've done before if we think it fits with the
museum's mission to get them in to do more investigating.
Speaker 7 (40:52):
I'm sure if one day where.
Speaker 5 (40:53):
Like all of our content is, let's revamp it, that
that you might reach out at that point. But right
now we're not really looking for anyone to come through
and do deep dives.
Speaker 7 (41:05):
We've got I.
Speaker 8 (41:06):
Feel like we have a lot of organic content just
from staff who are here. And then we also the
interesting part about our tour that's not that way with
a lot of history ghost tours or well give you
the history of the building and the ghost stories, but
we also do.
Speaker 7 (41:25):
Investigation while on the tour as well.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
And we find stuff. Yeah, there's stuff that happens on
the tours. And I mean, I know y'all have probably
been on ghost tours before, and I mean it's usually
at least the ones I've been on, it's kind of like, oh,
there's nothing really going on, yep, you know. But now
on this one, there's pretty consistent stuff. I mean, there's
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a lot of guests that reports stuff after they after
they leave.
Speaker 8 (41:56):
We have several entities who are pretty chatty.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
We usually make contact.
Speaker 7 (42:04):
Interact a lot out even outside of tours.
Speaker 8 (42:07):
Yes, like on Halloween we were showing off, we were
showing a little bit of what we do on the
paranormal tours to other staff members, and we were making
a lot of contact then as well. At nine in
the morning or whatever, it was, Yeah, nine in the morning. Interesting, Okay,
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I think I have a fun story, but I don't
know any of you now. So I had when the
building was renovated to turn into the museum, obviously we
had contractors here, and I was talking to one of
the original contractors from that project and I said, did
you ever notice anything?
Speaker 6 (42:51):
And he was like, no, I don't think so. Then
he was like wait a minute.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
I was like, oh, and.
Speaker 6 (42:59):
He said that they were working on the second floor.
Speaker 8 (43:06):
Where the International exhibit is now, so kind of like
by our emergency staircase, and they had a big heavy
saw and they like left it at the end of
the day it was time to go home. They left
it unplugged, whatever, and they came back the next morning
and this big heavy saw was moved clear across the
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room and they had it. Figure out what happened, and
it happened multiple days in a row.
Speaker 5 (43:32):
Oh my god, I guarantee you it was not museum
staff moving as all.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (43:41):
Yeah, so that's a little hope. I used to like
to tell little early nineties lore for.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
You, early nineties lore. Wow, that's really cool. Oh my gosh. Yeah.
And Mary Hope.
Speaker 3 (43:57):
The name Mary Hope has been bantered about throughout the interview,
and I'm so glad.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
I'm so glad because she's a former tour guide.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
And as I think about all of the activity here
at the museum, it's basically got everything.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
It's got the residual activity, which.
Speaker 3 (44:17):
Is kind of that place memory where energy, which I
believe is from tragedies that happened when the tornado hit,
or possibly if there was a fire at that boarding house,
just kind of these these repetitive events.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
They they've got plenty of.
Speaker 3 (44:33):
That poltergeist activity where there have been things flying off
the desk.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
I kid you not.
Speaker 3 (44:37):
When I was cleaning up one night, I had one
of those soda cans fly off of one of the
tables and fall right behind me.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
And yes, like saws moving.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
Yeah, you know, there's big saw things moving around on
their own.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
We've got that too, and as.
Speaker 3 (44:56):
Well as the the apparitional sidings and the shadow person sidings.
Now the poulterguy stuff and the apparitional stuff.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
I really don't know what's causing that here. I don't
know if it's.
Speaker 3 (45:12):
Due to the energy from the tornado or from something
else or what it is.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
But back to Mary Hope.
Speaker 3 (45:20):
Mary Hope is one of those people that I call
a ghost magnet. And there are certain people that if
they're wired up in a certain way psychologically and you
put them in an environment that has weird kind of haunt,
has a reputation for weird kind of haunt activity, they
tend to cause or be a trigger for paranormal activity.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
We don't exactly know how that works.
Speaker 3 (45:47):
But I loved going on tours with Mary Hope for
that very reason because I knew that if she was
on the tour, there.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
Would be stuff happening.
Speaker 3 (45:57):
And it was super consistent every time that I went
on a tour with her, we would get activity.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
So it was it was pretty crazy.
Speaker 5 (46:07):
Yeah, she would always have like feelings in different parts
of the building, like physically, and one of the things
that I think of that she would always tell me
that never happened to me, but she would share is
whenever she would go up and down that back staircase,
she felt like she had had like a memory blip,
like she knew she had gotten to the first floor,
but she couldn't remember going down the stairs. And it
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would like it would can pretty consistently happen on the tours,
and I was like, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (46:33):
What that means.
Speaker 5 (46:39):
But she would walk up and down then during the
day at work and nothing like nothing would trigger it,
and then on the tours, a normal tour, she would
like blip forget she walked down the stairs.
Speaker 7 (46:49):
She was like, I got to the bottom, but how
did I get here?
Speaker 2 (46:51):
Wow, I watched you walk down.
Speaker 3 (46:52):
Don't worry, but it was crazy as one of the
ghosts messing with her.
Speaker 7 (46:57):
Probably she got messed with a lot.
Speaker 5 (46:59):
One of the gets her favorite stories to tell is
she was in one of our experiences spaces, the Old
Taste of Soda room. There was a little puddle on
the floor like it looked like someone had mopped but not.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
Fully love this story.
Speaker 7 (47:13):
And so she went and got towels and she mocked
it up, put them in the you know.
Speaker 5 (47:17):
Dirty towel bucket, and she left and she came back
and the puddle was back.
Speaker 7 (47:20):
She's like, that's odd, and it the thing.
Speaker 5 (47:22):
She cleaned it up like two or three times, and
finally she was like, there's got to be a leak
in the ceiling.
Speaker 7 (47:26):
Nobody's coming through and mopping after I leave.
Speaker 5 (47:28):
So she went to get one of our interns at
the time and brought him back and the puddle that
was on the ground when she had left was gone,
but she still had this giant pile of wet towels.
Speaker 7 (47:38):
That she had used to mop it up. So she
got she got messed with all the time.
Speaker 3 (47:44):
I love that story. Yeah, that's just more poultergeisty weird stuff.
Speaker 5 (47:47):
Well that was during the day, like just a normal
work day.
Speaker 2 (47:50):
Yeah, crazy, yeah, crazy stuff. Anything else?
Speaker 4 (47:56):
Are there any parts of the bony y'all don't like
to go to alone?
Speaker 7 (48:00):
You have to drag Someboddy with you.
Speaker 5 (48:03):
That's I mean, when the lights of the lights are
on in the basement, I don't care.
Speaker 7 (48:07):
It was the lights that the lights were off and
it was nine.
Speaker 8 (48:13):
Yeah, I think I've been here long enough that it's
just just another day.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
But we did have a really.
Speaker 8 (48:21):
Weird experience in the basement. One night and the coworkers
when you all were here investigating coworkers, very upsete. He's like,
I just want to wall off that area, and you
just started laughing. He said, I'm sorry, it's not like
ghost can't go through walls.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
Yeah, I don't think a wall would work in that case.
Speaker 7 (48:44):
I don't think so. I don't think so.
Speaker 4 (48:46):
So.
Speaker 7 (48:47):
Yeah, I just I avoided the one corner of the basement.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
Yeah, I can.
Speaker 7 (48:51):
But other than that, i'm.
Speaker 5 (48:52):
Some I mean, some employees don't care and they keep
they store things in there, so someone has to go
back there at different times.
Speaker 7 (49:00):
That made me.
Speaker 5 (49:00):
Think of our first tour together, Cindy. Yeah, it was
you and I and it was our very first tour alone.
Both of our first tours alone. It was and the
building we were having issues locking it up, and so
we had to go around and check all the doors.
All the lights were off and Siddy turns to me
as we're walking through the gallery with the lights off,
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and she goes, this is when all the ghosts come out.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (49:33):
I was like, we're here at night and it's late.
It took us like thirty minutes to get the building. Well,
we had to call somebody we did, yeah, because and
I mean we checked the buildings from stem to stern
like three times, because you know, here we're both these
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bright shiny new little paranormal employees and we're trying to
be goo little worker bees and get it all done
and be we're responsible. And for the life of us,
we checked all the doors, all the alarms, everything, and
we could not figure out why why the alarm was
not setting mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
Yeah, it was a ghost in the system. Clearly they
were messing with us.
Speaker 3 (50:17):
There's a Yeah, there's a certain ghost which will not
be named in this particular interview, that very place, very playful.
Speaker 2 (50:26):
Very playful.
Speaker 8 (50:27):
Yeah. One time I was emptying soda cans. These are
very old soda cans, mind you, that I had acquired
and so from like the nineties. They're very old, there
should be no carbonation left. I'm emptying it and the.
Speaker 6 (50:41):
One just explodes all all over my face. It was,
where did this come from?
Speaker 2 (50:47):
What is happening?
Speaker 8 (50:49):
And so in a tour later on, we made contact
with that spirit and I asked if that was him,
and he said, yeah, he.
Speaker 7 (51:02):
Claims the poking of Cindy.
Speaker 2 (51:04):
Yeah, yeah, frisky, frisky dude.
Speaker 8 (51:10):
Well, you see me interact with him, He is like
super do it when I use the duncing rons to
interact with him.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (51:19):
For those of you, yes, if you do want to
find out more about this, this playful ghost, please come
on the tour. And they they make regular contact with him,
and he is a character.
Speaker 2 (51:33):
I'll just leave it at that. So that's why I
chalk most of my experiences to a lot of people.
He's kind of a scapegoat, you know. Just blame it
on mm hmmm.
Speaker 7 (51:47):
If he says no, then I'll believe him. But most
of the time he says yes.
Speaker 2 (51:51):
M hmm. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (51:53):
I only have heard for him to be in one spot.
Is he moving in multiple spots that you know of.
Speaker 8 (51:59):
Ye, he goes throughout both buildings and in the courtyard
and follows specific stuff members like myself during the day.
Speaker 2 (52:10):
Happy for you.
Speaker 5 (52:10):
Yeah, so Happy doesn't like to hang out with me.
He'll talk me, but you won't.
Speaker 6 (52:19):
Yeah, that's because you're you're so skeptical. That's the problem.
I don't know what to tell you.
Speaker 7 (52:28):
I want to believe, but I just like not hardwired
to do that.
Speaker 3 (52:33):
It's so funny that you say that we've spent the
last hour talking about all this crazy stuff that has
happened here in the building and continues to happen, and
you're like me, I.
Speaker 7 (52:44):
Still have to suspend it a little bit, and.
Speaker 6 (52:46):
I will tell her things and she's.
Speaker 2 (52:48):
Like nope and leave. Yeah, sure, Madeline, Sure yeah. I
kind of ran into that too. It's like she shuts down.
She's like, no, I don't want to hear it.
Speaker 7 (53:00):
I like the idea of it, but then it actually
happens and like.
Speaker 2 (53:03):
Nope, yeah, nope, nope, I don't want to know about it. Nope.
Speaker 3 (53:09):
Anybody have any partying questions, any partying words.
Speaker 2 (53:13):
Anything, I don't think.
Speaker 4 (53:15):
So, you know, think I was a little quiet because
I enjoyed just listening. I've never actually like investigated here,
so I find it, you know, interesting.
Speaker 2 (53:27):
Just to hear stories.
Speaker 3 (53:28):
And for some reason I thought you did an investigate
or we're on an investigation here.
Speaker 4 (53:34):
I came here briefly for the kids one.
Speaker 2 (53:39):
Okay, because that's right that you had told.
Speaker 4 (53:41):
Me about Yes, So I I had just come because
you had told me about it, and I've never been here,
so I was like, okay, whatever.
Speaker 7 (53:50):
Like let's go check it out, just see what it is.
Speaker 4 (53:53):
Outside of that, never been here on like an actual tour,
never done an investigating. So that's why I like, I
don't have much. I can't put in the pot too
much other than just sit here and look.
Speaker 7 (54:06):
Pretty and make sure audio is great.
Speaker 2 (54:09):
We'll have to remedy that. We'll just have to remedy that.
Speaker 3 (54:14):
We'll have to get you in here after dark and
see what you see because I know you'll see stuff.
Speaker 2 (54:20):
I know you will. It's a good time. Alison's more
of a ghost magnet too, so I was like I
think I would.
Speaker 4 (54:28):
It's kind of relatable though, like I can relate to
you all because I used to work out of Batlaco,
so I would have to.
Speaker 6 (54:36):
Ignore a lot just to be like.
Speaker 2 (54:40):
That happens.
Speaker 4 (54:42):
I definitely understand being part of a historic building like that,
and you're just like, I can't right now.
Speaker 2 (54:50):
I can't. It's a coping mechanism.
Speaker 3 (54:55):
Okay, well if you do, ladies, have anything else to
say before we sign off. Thanks so thanks for thanks
for allowing it. Allison and I have been so looking
forward to this interview because we knew that there would.
Speaker 2 (55:12):
Be a lot of really cool stories. So thank you
so much and That's that's it for now.
Speaker 1 (55:19):
So yeah, this has been spooky a paranormal podcast. We
hope today's episode since shivers down your spine and sparked
your curiosity about all things ghostly. If you've enjoyed what
you've heard, don't forget to subscribe and leave a review
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on Facebook and Instagram. Until next time, stay curious, stay vigilant,
and never be afraid to explore the shadows.
Speaker 2 (55:53):
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