Haunted Locations in Waco, Tx

Cindy and Alison sit down to talk about some of the most haunted places in Waco, Texas. From historical markers and to the home of the Dr. Pepper museum. Especially the Alico building which holds a lot of history like survivning the 1953 F5 tornado. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to Spooky, a paranormal podcast, joined doctor Cindy Little
and Alison Robles as they journey through the realms of
the supernatural, mysterious, and downright eerie, from ghostly apparitions to poltergeists,
from haunted houses to strange phenomena. Prepare to have your
senses heightened and your beliefs challenged. It's time to grab

(00:26):
your headphones, dim the lights, and brace yourself for a
journey into the unknown.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
If you dare, welcome, Welcome everybody to Spooky, a paranormal podcast,
where your host Cindy.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
Little and Alison Ropelez.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Hello, Hello, since it is a hallo mean season. Alison
and I were just talking about maybe going over some
of the more spooky places here in in Waco, because
that's what we're familiar.

Speaker 4 (01:00):
You're with.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
And I went through my files and found out that, yeah,
there are a lot of really spooky places here in
Waco that we both investigated. Alison's like, yeah, so I
think we're we're just gonna gonna jump right in here
and first on my list. I hope you don't mind.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
If I just kind of go through the list. Not
at all, Okay, at all?

Speaker 2 (01:27):
First on the list is the Hippodrome, which is a
historic theater here in Waco. It does like lie aacts
now and there's an event venue and there's a restaurant there.
It's a really cool place. Some of the stories around
the Hippodrome was that back in nineteen twenty eight there

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was a fire and a little girl supposedly got killed
in the fire when they were like trying to escape,
and so they like ran out coupled, I know, and
I wich is really awful. And another man supposedly got
killed there during the fire, and he's a little more

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crumpy and he causes Poultergeist activity.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
Like oddly familiar.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
Yeah, throws things around and you know, it's just not
really nice. And of course people have heard like footsteps
and cheering and laughing because you know, it's the whole
theater thing. And then let's see, oh yeah, And then
there's this story this is this is a pretty good
one where one night the manager nobody was there. The

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manager was upstairs in his office and he's got these
surveillance cameras and he starts smelling cigarette smoke and he's
kind of like, oh, that's weird. I'm the only one
in the building. So he loses his office and he
goes downstairs and he looks down always and he doesn't
see anything. He doesn't see anybody, and he's like, okay, well,
you know whatever, and just on a lark, he goes

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back up to his office and he decides to check
his camera footage and what he sees is this cowboy
in like a long coat and hat with boots with
spurs and stuff and walking right behind him smoking a cigarette.
And then the cowboy eventually turns off and like disappears

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through the wall.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
That's scary but also really cool. Like, as an investigator,
that's probably one of the best stories ever. And is
it was it the Hippodrom? I think it was the Hippodrome.
On their surveillance camera they found like a dark shadow
on the top of the staircase. Yes it was them, right. Yeah,

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that was crazy. And I was this is gonna be
weird since me and your daughter the same age. But
high school, my sister showed me that that footage. That's
how long ago it came out. I was in high school.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Well you got to see the footage.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
Yeah, because apparently it somehow it got leaked and got
posted somewhere on social media or YouTube and before it
was taken down. But yeah, I got to see the
footage and you can see a shadow going I forget
which direction, but it was up or down the staircase
and it was on this one of the surveillance cameras.

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And I don't know how they found out or how
they got it, but they had it. And yeah, I
was in high school when I saw it, and my
sister showed.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Me Wow wow. Yeah, yeah, somebody probably just recorded it
with their phone. Yeah that's wild because i'd heard that story.
But you know, I kind of dismissed it because it's
one of those Oh a friend of mine saw this
video of the shadow and hip and.

Speaker 5 (05:00):
You know, and yeah, no, I saw the footage and
it was really cool and it was an interesting video.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
And every time I try to ask about it, they
deny it, which it's kind of like the tunnels. You
ask them about the tunnels, they deny the tunnels. So
but we all know, like all waygoings know about it,
and we all know it exists, but it's one of
those videos that they'll deny having.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
That's weird. You know what the hippodrome come on Hypodrome.
Just get on board already, embrace the spookiness, embrace your ghosts.
We all know you got them.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
And it's such a beautiful theater too. It's it. I mean,
how many theaters like Imperial got destroyed by the tornado,
which I'm sure we'll talk about, but to have a
theater that survived that tornado, Yeah, and basically it's still
living to the States, like, why would you not be like, oh, yeah,

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this thing happened and this was part of our history
and it is what it is, you know.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yeah, funny, well maybe not a funny story, but an
interesting story. And we'll get to this spot here pretty soon.
But it reminds me of about that same time frame,
you know, back when y'all and my daughter were were
in high school. I was still doing ghost hunting and
I knew that the Doctor Pepper Museum was haunted. And
I went up to the front desk and I gave

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them my card and I said, you know, I'd really
like to investigate the museum. And they're like, what, no,
you know, we don't you know, we don't have any
ghosts or anything. And I'm like, okay, fine, whatever, okay,
jump forward. All these years and they are like doing
paranormal tours every single weekend and it's like selling them out.
So mm, the.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
Doctor Pepper Museum, I'm not gonna lie. It's one of
those it bothers me places, but I love it because
it's Waco and it's why not, But it's I don't know,
maybe they just want to kind of keep it hush hush, but.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
It's like why, I don't think they're why keeping it
hush hush anymore? They're they're they did like a paranor
they did the paranormal tours now and they have a
paranormal open house for kids this past week.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
I'm sorry, I'm over here yawning and I got done
with eating lunch like an hour ago.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
So it's it's car crash.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
Yeah, it's that a nappy time after lunch.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
Well anyway, yeah, we'll get to the Doctor Grepper Museum.

Speaker 6 (07:44):
But yeah, the Hippodrome, it's like, why don't they just
get over it and admit they've got ghosts and you know,
maybe try to make some money off of.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
It secretly that is, it's kind of secretly, but not secretly.
That's a place I really wanna investigate, Like if I
could get in there and investigate, I would.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
Oh my gosh, Yeah, I am so on board with that.
That to me is the Waco Holy Grail.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
Yes, I have not had.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
An opportunity to get in there and investigate the Hipodrome.
So you were talking about the tunnels, Yeah, done. Do
you wanna talk about the tunnels a little bit?

Speaker 3 (08:25):
The tunnels so, I don't know a whole lot of history.
I just know that there was at some point tours
of the tunnels, and then they got shut down because
most of the tunnels now are condemned and so they
want to allow people to go down there, and so
the tours were shut down. But I know at some

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point there was down there, and there's I mean a
lot of them are still there. They like the access
points are just not accessible cause they're either in businesses
or have been gated off.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Okay, I don't know much about the tunnels. So are
they just tunnels that run underneath the businesses stem?

Speaker 3 (09:06):
I think so? So from what I know, the ones
that are from Hippodrome to Cultivate seven to twelve, so
two businesses over the tunnels were connected to basically use
just to connect from larger buildings. And so if you
look at Cultivate, their speakeasy was initially a speakeasy during prohibition,

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and once that lifted it then Hippodrome had to sell
Green Door Loft, which is the business between the two
and Cultivate. Cultivate then became the original Waco Bakery. And
so if you were to go down there, there are
three big ovens and that's where the bakery existed until

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they sold the building and moved. But the tunnels were
just basically like another roadway system, so way they didn't
have to bother like consumers on the actual roadway.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
Wow, so I didn't know that. Yeah, oh my gosh,
Yeah that's really cool. Well then yeah, that would be
nice to have access to the tunnels. But like you,
I hear rumors of them, and oh they're they're walled
off or they're blocked off, or we can't get in them.
But it would be really cool.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
It would be tunnels. It would be and it's I
it kind of makes you wonder how many businesses have
access to them and are just not saying anything like
That's another one of those things. Hippo Drum's like, oh no,
we don't have any tunnels. We don't have any tunnels,
and it's well, it's kind of clear when Hippodrum used

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to own the two lots next to it and then
their tunnels were being used for other businesses.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
Yeah. Well, and like we met up with Robbie and
I met up with that employee ex employee from the
hipp wrong than to night and he showed us the
entrance to one of the tunnels. Now it's like filled
with all this like electronic stuff and duct work and everything.
He's like, this was one of the entrances to the
tunnels and it was like behind a picture. It was

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like a secret door. What Yeah, it's this stairwell. It
was like this this painting or something. And he's like,
it's behind the painting and the painting's a door and
you can like look down into where the tunnels were
supposed to be.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
See that's cool, Like why are we not? I know that?
That's to me, it's Waco is so haunted and there's
not a whole lot of stuff going around talking about it,
Like there's you, there's ad on, but it's like there's

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not a whole lot and it makes me sad.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
It does make me say, yeah, so much. Yeah, and it's.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
Like why not, because I when I went to San Antonio,
I came back and I told you, I was like,
there was a paranormal tour in the middle of July.
Middle of July, and they're doing paranormal tours and it's like,
that would be so cool to do here in Waco. Yeah,
and if the people could get behind it, it would
be like, I mean, you're learning about the history of

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the city, you're learning about the tragedy that, yes, could
have made the city crumble, but here we are decades
after and it's still standing.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
Oh yeah the Alico Building. Yeah yeah, I didn't know that. Wow,
And so yeah, I agree. Just Waco just freaking yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:46):
And so many places are doing it and doing that
kind of stuff. They're just well, it's our history. Might
as well embrace it.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yeah, just let it be well, you know, maybe if
we keep pushing the ele bit. Actually, they'll eventually get
their fingers crossed. Fingers fingers cross, fingers crossed on the
Hippendrome especially. Yeah. So that's yeah, number one, super cool.
We'll move on now. Learned about the tunnels also very cool.

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Oh yeah, I was gonna ask you about this there's
been rumors going around forever that our courthouse, than the
Planning County Courthouse, is haunted, and it's been. It was
built in nineteen oh one, and it's like, if you
haven't seen it, it's this really cool building. It's kind
of built in this Romanesque type style with a big
dome and columns and and things.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
It's beautiful. Honestly, it is gorgeous for what it is.
It's it's nice. Yeah, But I haven't heard anything about
it other than I think from what I've heard from
the tours, Okay, and I think it might not you,
but I heard that there there was a little kid

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that passed away right in front of the courthouse, and
it was a little boy and you can still see
him or hear him on the steps, and so it
was I believe Melyssa, I might.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
Have been saying, I think it was a previous tour, yeah,
because I vaguely remember that. And so, yeah, I have
been hearing rumors about the courthouse being haunted for years. Yes,
and whenever I talked to me, and in fact I
talked to some lawyers that worked in there regularly. This
was years ago, and they're like, oh, yeah, you need
to come investigate the courthouse. And I'm like, well, yeah,

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let me in, Yeah, happy to do it. It's like, oh,
it's haunted. And it's like, well, what's going on? You know,
what are people seeing? You know what's happening? And they're like, oh, well,
you know, I haven't seen anything. But you know, I
know so and so said that they saw something, and
I tried to track down so and so, and I
can never track down so and so. But what made
me think the courthouse and bringing it up? Since your

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dad is a policeman, I did not know if he
knew of any haunted stories about.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
The courthouse, not that I know of or not that
he's told me. Okay, but I have heard a lot
of stories that if you're facing the building, the left
hand side of it was originally the Jel House, and
so I've heard a lot of stuff connected with that
and that side of the building. How much of it

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is true, I'm not sure, but I know I've heard
of that and then the Little Boy, okay, and so
I don't know how much of it is accurate, But
those are the only two things that I know of
the courthouse.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Well, it's more than what I knew. I mean, I
just keep getting people coming up to me and saying, oh,
the courthouse is on and you got to investigate the courthouse.
And I'm like, well, okay, get me in there.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
Yeah. And I think that tour that I took, I
think Nick was there. Son. That might be a question
for Nick if we can maybe get a little bit
more out of him, since you know, if you're listening,
if he's out of his little hiding.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
Yeah, he'll the.

Speaker 4 (16:08):
Tea on the courthouse please, Yeah, now that you've shown
your pretty face to us, Yeah it's again, Uh yes,
what anyways?

Speaker 2 (16:21):
Yeah, haunted jails, those creepy.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
Out so one of the ones that I think again
San Antonio related. But the old Bear County Joe that's
in San Antonio. So it's now a hotel, which is horrible.
It's now a hotel and it's a historical marker, which
means they couldn't have they can't change anything. So the

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if you're in Hotel twenty that used to be joe
Ce twenty, what, yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
Did they like were they allowed to remodel the rooms?

Speaker 3 (16:53):
So within reason, yes, but I think they could put
like doors, but they couldn't change like room numbers, so
it's not like room two oh three. It's literally like
room twenty, room four, room five. So it's like very
generic and it on the outside, like the structure, it's

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what it was. It was a Joe house, but you
can kind of see a mix of both. It's a
old gel and then it looks like a hotel. So
it's kind of like, yeah, it's weird, but oh yeah,
so that's why I was like it. It kind of
lines up with what I was hearing with the Waco
stuff that they were seeing a lot of the jail stuff. Yeah,

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and it's like it makes sense cause that imprint was
it's still there.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
Well yeah, in jails are like there's so much tension
and violence and yeah yeah a lot of energy, yeah
and not necessarily positive energy. No, No, that's weird. Now
you gonna have to like it's the what hotel Bear?

Speaker 3 (18:01):
So it was a Bear County Sheriffs. I think it's
like a La Quinta. It's it's something like crazy like that,
like it's.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Like downstairs your Texas shape waffles dead in make walking by.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
It's something outrageous like that. It's not even like one.
It's not like cool hotel it's not a Minger, it's
not a Emily Morgan. No, it's it's one of those chain,
big chain hotels that it's.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Like, that's even crazy, let's do better.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
But okay, I'm gonna be looking at all the San
Antonio and it's it's downtown, so.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
Tons of tourists go through there.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
Yeah, and they have no clue, no other than the
historical markers that I didn't see that's outside.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
But most people, except for Georgia, you never really don't
read those.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
Yeah, exactly, she reads every.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
Every time we go someplace there's a historical marker. It's
like losst to a flame by the way.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
Yeah, I found the Jesse Washington one.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
Where in the world is that it's.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
Next it's in the square the time, the city square.
So you know where that statue is of the mom
with the two kids next to the fountain that's outside
of the moon. Yeah, it's right there. So it's Austin
Avenue that yeah, T shaped, it's like Austin and you
hit that tee So it's on that street on the

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other side, so it's that T shaped and it's right there.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
Really yeah s.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
So for those of you who don't know we just
got a historical marker. This is yes, it's it's huge,
but it it is designated to Jesse Washington, who was
the last person to publicly get lynched here in Waco.
And so that's how we got Washington Avenue to honor him,

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and so recently we just got a placard for him
and that's where it is.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
Well, I am so glad, I am so glad. Yeah,
that is one of Waco's really awful yes stories, and yeah,
and it was a very very brutal lynching. I mean
he was dragged and burned and tortured and stabbed and
it was really awful.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
I uh, ten out of ten don't recommend looking it up,
but also ten out of ten recommend looking it up
because the story is it's sad, but it's also like,
oh okay, like it it's very eye opening. But I
just because we were talking about historical markers, I got

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so excited, like I found it.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
No, that's important, I mean, and that's yeah, talking about
Waco being kind of quiet on things, they you know,
the old Jesse Washington and lynching. People don't like to
bring that up, you know, and and I mean, but yeah,
it was it was very brutal, and yeah, people for
a long time have been wanting to have that recognize

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and commemorate it. In fact, it was so brutal that
was the beginning it. It helped start the DAICP because yeah,
and it's some people from I think it was Washington,
DC came down to investigate it or look into it,
and they were like, oh, my goodness, we really need
to have some oversight here for for to prevent things

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like this from happening in this.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
Yeah, I mean it's I did look it up again
about high school age? Why uh, it's fifteen to eighteen
year old. Was looking that kind of stuff up? I
don't know, but I was.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
I mean that told you how much in history I was.
But yeah, I was looking that up and I was like,
this is sad. And what I would say, look up
this story. Maybe if you're if you can handle some
gruesome pictures, then look at the pictures. If you can't,
don't just to read the stories.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
Yeah, the pictures are powful, and yeah, one not so
fun fact, but one fact on the pictures and then
well then we'll move on to something more pleasant. But
one interesting fact back at that time, which was I
think back in the nineteen teens, it was it was
early nineteen under its Yeah, I want to say twenties

(22:31):
at the latest, early twenties. I think you're right. Yeah,
it was, oh night, I have a note here in
nineteen sixteen, okay, Yeah, there was this guy here in
Waco named Fred Gildersleeve, and he was kind of considered
Waco's photographer. And if you go to Baylor University, you
see a lot of Fred Gildersleeve's photographs. So he just

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took pictures of everything here in Waco. Well, he was
also a very entrepreneurial person and one of the things
that he did was at the Jesse Washington lynching, he
took pictures of the lynching and he created postcards and
he sold postcards to the people that were at the lynching.

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And the Baylor University of Texas collection has some of
those postcards, and you can see pictures of them online
where people actually bought them and wrote little notes on
them and sent them to their relatives. And the notes
were things like, gee, and this is a really great
barbecue today, And I mean it's that is horrific.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
That is disgusting. On so many levels like yeah, and
that's not the worst of what happened.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
I'm not going to go into any more of it,
but yeah, suffice to say, I'm very happy Jesse got.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
His I know, yeah, and I was. I forget it
might have been the last episode they were talking about it,
but at some point we were talking about it and
I just super nerdy. But I was playing Pokemon Go
and so I happened to walk past it, and anytime
I was downtown, I try to make it a point

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to look for it. And as I was walking past,
I happened to look up and I was like, oh,
I need to look and see which one this is.
And I was like, no way, this is the one
that we were looking for. Yeah, yeah, I'm looking for it.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
Well that's that's not gonna have to go down there town. Yeah. Yeah,
what was such an interesting place. But anyway, well we'll
go on. You know, it's kind of Halloween kind of
grewsome Yeah, so but we'll move on from there. The
Hall Co Building, Yes, Alison used to work there, Yes,

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And it was built in nineteen ten and it was
one of the like highest skyscrapers west.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
Of the Mississippi for I think it was the tallest one, yeah,
west of the Mississippi. Yeah, and which is pretty cool
to like have that, and I mean for all Waco
ins it. That's the landmarker.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
It is. Wainco is very proud of you.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
It is. It's kind of crazy to think of, like
how it's like, oh, that's our monument and it's like
it's so doting. But it's funny cause it is kind
of our compass. It's like if you get lost, it's like, oh,
if you're if you get lost and you just need

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to get back to downtown, look for the Aliko and
there you go.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
Yeah, and it's you can't miss it. No, it's still
the tallest, one of the tallest buildings.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
Yeah go.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
But yeah, And of course there's all kinds of legends
and rumors and stuff because, as Allison was talking about earlier,
in nineteen fifty three and f five, tornado hit Waco,
and we get tornadoes occasionally, but nothing like that. No,
it was like this just wrath god type event. And
the impact site was at the RT Dennist Furniture Building,

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which was across the street from the Alaco and the
RT Dentist building. I'll talk about that in just a minute,
was obliterated, totally obliterated, the Alico building, not a scratch.
And so you see these pictures of like the debris
that's like six feet deep of just buildings and debris

(26:27):
and cars being thrown around and stuff, and then you
see the Alico building and it's just perfectly intact. And
so that I'm really kind of like it was like
this rallying point for White Go. You know, it's like,
oh gosh, you know, despite all this catastrophe, you know,
here stands the Aligo building. You know, there's hope or whatever.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
And I've heard so many different stories of why it stood.
Oh yeah, yeah, so many legends, and some of them
are like make zero sense. But you leave it when
you're younger and you're like, oh yeah, that makes sense,
and then when you get older, you're like that makes
no sense whatsoever. But okay, well good. Yeah. And I

(27:12):
also heard that doing that tornado, that it actually swayed
anywhere from four to six feet in every direction.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
I heard that too. It's so rocking.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
Yeah, and that's where the.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
Legend of the cotton bils came in.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
Yeah, that's what I heard, cotton bows. And then I
heard haybells. Oh, okay, so I heard both. Okay, well
you know cot yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
What the deal is is, people, there's this legend going
around that it's built on a foundation of cotton bales,
and or the cotton bales were incorporated in the foundation
of the building. So how and that allowed it to
be kind of you know, I guess bouncy swingy. Yeah,
I'm not an engineer, so that it was not crumble

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or not fall. I was able to bend in the wind, I.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
Guess, yeah. But again, I don't know how logically that
makes sense in any way. And I feel like nowadays
that would be a fire hazard, so I feel like
they would have been like, goddamned fix it.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
So I don't think it's the best design, No, not
at all, but I've heard that actually it was just
a very sound construction, steel girder construction, and it was
just built really, really well, and a lot of the
other buildings downtown just weren't weren't built that well.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
Solid solid, I guess it kind of guests, uh, figuratively
in every literally, yeah, solid solid.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
It's a beautiful building, and of course it's to be haunted.
The only story I know about the Alco is the
old security guard. And this was back in the nineteen
eighties where there's this security guard and everybody knew him
in town. He was just really beloved and he loved
his job. And as he got older, he was less

(29:13):
and less able to perform his duties and he got
very depressed, and so he hung himself in the basement
of the Alaco.

Speaker 3 (29:20):
That's that's very sad.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
Yeah, yeah, And of course everybody in town was just
devastated and they were like, oh, my goodness, we really
miss him. And so of course they eventually had to
hire a new guy, and as soon as they did,
they interviewed him and said, hey, you know, how is
it working there at the Aliko And he said, oh,
I love it, he says, especially in the basement. He says,

(29:43):
if my arms are full, the doors will just automatically open,
and the light switches will just automatically turn on. And
he says, it's really really great. And I've talked to
security guards. It's been a couple of years, but I
have talked to security guards there and they say the
same thing still to this day. In the basement, the
lights will come on on their own and the doors

(30:04):
will open on their own, so the security guard is
still on duty.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
That's scary.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
Yeah, No, I think it's kind of nice, helpful.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
I mean, yes, I being used to be in that building.
I used to see a lot of shadow figures, which
the company I worked for is still there on the
twenty first floor, and it's weird the way they have
things set up. So every other floor has alternating bathrooms.

(30:38):
So on the twenty first floor you have the men's bathroom,
which means the twentieth and the twenty second floor are women's.
So we would either have to go up or go
down as a girl to go to the bathroom. Yeah.
So yeah, So the structure, even to this day is

(30:59):
still very weird. But a lot of the time I
would take the elevator down and then come up the stairs,
but I would have to walk up past the staircase
that goes up to the twenty second floor, and a
lot of the time I would see a shadow standing
at the top of the stairs.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
Yeah, And I don't know what it was. I just
I never bothered. I just kind of I just brushed off.
I was like, Oh, whatever's it's that dude. It's a
dude it's the dude. It's just a dude standing there. Whatever.
It's cool. And I remember I would come out with
some of the podcasters and at that time they had

(31:41):
the lights off, so we even the podcasters, felt like
there was somebody else with us. And sometimes there's only
two or three of us. We would have to have
our phone flashlights on and like using the mirrors as
a reflection, but you could definitely feel like you weren't
away even if there are other people there.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
Wow. Yeah, yeah, another place to investigate it.

Speaker 4 (32:07):
Wa.

Speaker 3 (32:07):
It was very, very weird and almost an unsettling feeling.
It felt like you're just being watched a lot.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
Hm. Yeah, that is weird. Yeah, Like I said, I
would love to get in there, but that place has
so much security.

Speaker 3 (32:25):
It's so for no reason, for no reason, ninety nine
percent of that building is insurance or lawyers.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
Well, I thought it was like mostly empty for one thing.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
So I know there's one floor that's entirely empty. It's
the fourteenth flour which technically the thirteenth why I don't know.
I know this because Debbie was on the elevator with
someone else and she's like, oh, so what are you
doing and He's like, I'm just going to the fourteenth floor.

(33:01):
That floor is empty. I'm just gonna eat my lunch
and talk to my wife. But yeah, it's mostly lawyers
and insurance see.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
And that's crazy to me. Yeah, for those of you
who have not been to Wayborbin in the Aliko building, Yeah,
it's just this old timey skyscraper type building is really cool. Lookin.
It's kind of Art Deco type style. And there is
a security guard at the desk. And it's not somebody
that just kind of says, hey, you know where you

(33:32):
going or what's your business. No, you have to like
turn in your ID and you have to get a
sticker and you have to tell them where you're going
and when you're going to be back. And I mean
it was like checking.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
Into a high security yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
Building or something, and I'm like, why are you what
are you hiding here? Do you have a flying saucer?
Are there aliens?

Speaker 3 (33:57):
It's it's for no reason you know of and it's
I should have honestly, I should have explored that building
a lot more than I did. I just knew that
Flora twenty two was off limits entirely, and that's from
the company that is renting it out. And they told

(34:22):
the owner, we don't want any women to come up
here to use the bathroom, if y'all could please go downstairs.
And so we don't know why they just said that.
We just they're like, there's a lot of private documentation
up here, and we don't want you guys up here.
So they told the owner if we could use the

(34:42):
twentieth bathrooms to go down there.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (34:46):
So I think it has something to do with like
those lawyers, or just the lawyers in general.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
That's but they're lawyers. Yeah, there are lawyers. Their quotes.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
So, and the crazy thing is my sisters from my
stepsisters grandmother works for that same company, and so I
told her. She goes, oh, no, you can come up here.
So it's like, well, I they told your boss told
my boss for me not to go up there. So

(35:18):
I'm not gonna go up there cause it seems a
little scary.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
That's a little sketchy.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
Yeah, so something's a miss.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
Yeah that makes no sense. You know, you can walk
into lawyer's offices off the street. I mean, that makes.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
It no sense at all. Yeah, none at all. And
so that's why I was like it's crazy cause I'm
indirectly related to someone that works for them and.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
That works on the twenty second floor. M h yeah, okay,
that's mystery number two, Mystery number one, no, mystery number
three actually, misterry number one. Just to recap. We got
the tunnels. We gotta figure out what's going on there,
Mistry number two. We gotta figure out what's going on
with the over there. And yeah, and then this story
number three, the twenty second floor.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
Yeah, it's like, what's going on that makes it so scary?

Speaker 5 (36:11):
Why?

Speaker 2 (36:12):
Like, yeah, something, something's not adding up here. Yeah, something's
not Oh boy, that makes me really curious, I know.

Speaker 3 (36:22):
And it's like it definitely, it makes it intriguing a
lot more, intriguing a lot more.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
And like I said, yeah, that whole security process that
you have to go through, it's like being in the
TSA at the airport. Oh yeah, and it's like okay, yeah,
I was with you. I'm like, this is not lining up.
This is not It's not like we're at an airport
or we're at a prison, or we're at you know,

(36:49):
some high security company or government agency or something. No,
this is the Alaco.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
Yeah, it's a downtown. Wake up, it's a building. Yeah
it's I don't know. But it took about a week
two weeks without having to finally stop getting checked in.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
You still had to get checked in as an employee.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
Yeah. For it took about two weeks for them to
finally like, oh, you're good for us just to be
able to walk in. It took about a week two
weeks for them to finally get used to us to
just squalk in and.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
Out that's in. Oh something something is a miss, Yeah,
something is a miss. Well yeah, and well, I mean
we were just there after hours a couple of weeks ago.
I have to hand this to hand it to Alison here,
you know, because we're like, hey, let's let's just ask
the security guard if we can get in there, you know,
look around it, take some pictures. And so Alison comes up, hey,
you know I used to work here, and she's talking

(37:48):
to the security guard. Can we kind of take a
couple of pictures? Were all investigators. It wasn't individia. This
guy like, sho's you this really dirty look as his
head and walks away, and it.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
Was like I even says like, we don't mind if
it's just the first floor, like right here so that
way you can see us. Yeah, that we're not like
trying to bought like no, but he was like mm
actually really stir yeah, and I was it was like, okay,
was like, dude, it's like it's the first floor and
we are we're fun with just being right here where
you can see.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
Us, yeah, and keeping an eye on us.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
Yeah. So then I was like okay, whatever, bye.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
Yeah we laughed, but okay, oh man, I wanna find
out what's going on.

Speaker 5 (38:31):
About twenty secondfore it's yeah at a wild I was.

Speaker 3 (38:36):
Like, I guess, I mean, why not, we'll just move on.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
Then yeah, it was okay, well we'll figure it out.
Just a list of things to do.

Speaker 3 (38:45):
I'm gonna have to email the building manager if it's
the same person. See if I can find his email.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
You should have been see if he tails you anything.
Probably won't if it's all top secrety.

Speaker 3 (38:56):
Stuff, right, But it's worth the try.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
It's really try. I mean, hey, if you don't ask,
he'll ever know, right, and maybe he'll give you some clues.
This is like a Scooby Doo mystery. It is oh
oh now you got me really really curious.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
Oh see that you figure out, and then maybe I'll
just spill his emo if I find it, to you
and then to Robbie, and he's just gonna have to
answer all these emos. Oh oh and be like, oh no,
he cats out of the bag. Just listen. The building.
I don't know how to fit it back in. This
bag throws their original bag of throws their original bag. Awake,

(39:34):
it's a smaller one. I don't think I can do it.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
Oh my gosh, see you look at this. Everybody wave
go a land of mysteries. Who knew? Okay, prob we
should move on out Rtie Dentist Furniture Store. I just
mentioned that it is now a parking lot across the
street from the Alco building. It was not built so well.
It was like this luxury furniture sto War and there

(40:00):
was like five stories and it had a basement and
there there again that was the impact site of the tornado.
And you'll see these little like whirly gig windmill things
that are there's a commemoration of the rt. Dentist's Furniture store.
But a bunch of people, I think over thirty people

(40:20):
died when the furniture store it like pancaked down on itself.
You know, it's like the roof all the way down
to the first floor and you know, crushed a whole
bunch of people during the tornado. And then to make
things worse, there was more people in the basement. Some
of the employees decided to go into the basement to
see if they could hide from the tornado. Well, no,

(40:43):
they couldn't get out. They were trapped because the whole
building had you know, smacked down onto the ramp and
a water being broke, and so yeah, it was brutal.
And so then of course these people, these more people
were trapped in the basement and they dropped, which is
very sad. But we the paranormal tours go there, Adam,

(41:07):
I know goes there. I used to go there when
I did the Walking Tour. And occasionally, you know, we
get like spirit box hits or dowsing rod hits or
like the necrophonic you know, I still think my favorite
necrophonic hit at the Archie Dentist site was I'm like,
is anybody here like to speak to us? And the

(41:28):
voice just comes through and says the birds, the birds,
because we have all these brackles all these black they
were plague and they were like all nesting in the
trees and it was you know, later in the evening,
and they're squawking their heads off, and so somebody was
coming through and them was annoyed by the birds.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
But so funny story about that's fun My brother goes
to counseling at the Roosevelt boating Oh, and so he
was like, I watched his two little girls while he
was going to do that. And he's like, oh, yeah,
it's by the way. Is there any ghosts here? And
I go yeah, and so he goes, oh great. So

(42:11):
they're just hearing all my stories. I go, I'm gonna
go over there and get them to spill the beans.
And he's like you better not. I go, why what
you afraid of? And he goes nothing. I was like,
so I'm gonna go talk to them. Then he was like,
I'm gonna kill you. You're gonna become one of those ghosts.
And I was like, okay, but no, But but I did.

(42:33):
I told him that story. So I thought it was
kind of funny because he got a little like weirded
out by the fact that I was like, actually yes,
and he's like, oh, no, why why did I even ask.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
Pimal thing?

Speaker 3 (42:51):
It's like, why why are you asking me? And even
if if I didn't know what was haunted, I'm probably
gonna google if it's haunted. Yeah, so it was funny
as soon as he asked yes, and so I told him.
He's like, that's tragic. Now I might need to talk

(43:12):
about this, am I therapytized. He's like, how my little
sister traumatized me.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
Traumatized family. Now he's going to have to start sleeping
with a nightlight like your husband.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
It's starting to run out of batteries, by the way,
so so we need to replace batteries and.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
That what you need to do when it comes to
Christmas time is like fill his stocking with batteries.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
We were just talking about that too. I know it's
off topic, but we've talked about it so many times
now that I asked and I said, where's the nightlight
that you had at your mom's house? And he goes,
probably at my mom's house, and then he's like, I
might need to get it. He's like, there are fishies
on it because it shows fish like the ocean, and so.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
So it's kind of like the soothing thing that you
can see the fish.

Speaker 3 (44:04):
On the wall. Yeah. So he's like, oh, I need
to go get it because there are a fishies on it.
So I was like, what a dor and it was
like was the galaxy not good enough?

Speaker 2 (44:17):
He goes, no, you should like it when it has
ghosts on it.

Speaker 3 (44:21):
That would be plung it.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
In, Like, don't let him know, you know, get his
little fishy one, you know, and leave it in there
and then you know, after he goes to sleep, switch
it out and then he wakes up in the middle
of the night.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
He would be so mad at me, he really would.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
You can blame it on me. It's like, so you
told me to do.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
What's worse is it? Since so we're nearing the end
of spooky season, I might just go find one because
a lot of exactly.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
Yeah, well, you know, I'm thinking about, you know, Spirit
Howl night just to you know, because I'm running out
of outfits where to my classes I dressed up with
in my Wednesday Autum's dressed today, But you know tomorrow
I have to think of something. I don't like to
see the light night lights.

Speaker 3 (45:10):
I was even thinking about going to Spirit Halloween tonight too,
because I have I realized that of course all the
little spooky makeup is there. And so I have a
really bad tendency of making fake scars and bloody stuff
and sending it to my parents.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
You are so twisted.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
Yeah yeah, Like I would take a picture and send
it to my mom or my dad and be like,
well if this happened today, I love it, and they're
like and they'd get so mad at me, and I
was like, oh yeah no, and they're like, you better
going down one one. I was like, for what, it's makeup.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
I'm sure your family just loves you, but you know,
the sounds like you have a kindred spirit.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
And your dad, I mean, it's gotten better.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
He's gotten better.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
It's gotten better. He's he's gotten better.

Speaker 4 (46:00):
He's coming around slowly, slowly, but surely.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
I'm sitting here helping you find a way support yours.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
It's g He's not coming around anytime soon.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
Poor guy. You younger brother, Oh.

Speaker 3 (46:15):
Yeah, it's what's worse. Okay. So also new update my
little brother. So both of them are in my mom's
McGregor house, so they're renting it from her, and he's like, hey,
so what's up with all this noise? That's going on
in in the house. I and so I was like, well,

(46:35):
what do you mean. He's like, yeah, like I hear
knocking and walking. And then my older brother he's like, oh,
it's nothing, it's just an old house. I was like,
it was built in the eighties. It's fine, that's not
that hold yeah, and so he's like, no, I hear stuff.
And so now he's asking me stuff about the house. Woo,

(46:57):
so that might be something we could easily investigate.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
Oh I like it, but I like it.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
Yeah. So my little brother's like, Allie, come help.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
Oh I like it. Well this is great. I mean
this podcast is helping us figure out where to go next. Yes,
with like ala and now this house and oh oh
yeah that sounds like yeah, nice stuff to me. It
footsteps and moving around and.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
I'm in it. It's so it's so much so that
we call them Larry.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
Oh, it has a name. It has a name Larry.

Speaker 3 (47:32):
Yeah. And so like the back door, the back screen
door will open. We're like, oh, Larry's home, Larry's home
from work. So like it's that consistent, and like we'll
shut the door all the way now the screen door
will open, Larry's home, like and again. My older brother's
little girls, they've heard it open and they've said it.

(47:52):
They're like Larry's home dad. Yeah, so they're so into it. Yeah,
and then we'll be like, al Allie, did you bring
your ghost stuff so we can talk to.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
Larry ghost stuff and help them talk Larry.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
So it's hilarious that they asked me about talking to Larry.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
So we have a haunted farmhouse and McGregor at it
to the list.

Speaker 3 (48:14):
Yeah, it's it's great.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
Okay, we're just trying to move along. Now. There's so
many I don't know that we're gonna get through all
of days. I'll try to get the highlights here. There
is the story of Baron's Loss, which are luxury apartments.
I don't know if you know about theirs.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
Is that the one that we walked past that one
time with Robbie Jeannette?

Speaker 2 (48:39):
No, No, I don't.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
Maybe we're like brew coffee, is is it? Okay?

Speaker 2 (48:48):
I wouldn't be surprised about things wanted to But yeah,
Baron's Loss, it's kind of kitty corner from the Doctor
Preber Museum. Okay, it's it's an apartment. Yeah, but it
used to be a pharmacy and Barren's Drug company, and
it also survived the tornado pretty much unscathed, with one exception,

(49:11):
and that was there was this worker named Jody, this
maintenance guy named Jody, and he was up on the
roof during the tornado, and there's like a big water
tower up on the roof and it fell through the roof, collapsed,
it fell through the roof, and in the process of
it falling through the roof, it chopped off Jody's arm,

(49:31):
and yeah, and so it fell all in the basement
and the arm and the water tank is in the basement,
and of course the basement is just totally flooded, and
so the arm is like floating around down there somewhere.
That's so Jody, of course is immediately killed. You know,
he's you know, the water tank kitting him in the

(49:52):
arm and the whole deal. So what they do is
they take Jody's body and they bury it, but they
can't find the arm and they couldn't drain it before
the fun and during the basement before the funeral, so
poor Joby's buried without his arm, and they finally drained
it and he sees, you know, Jodie's burying. Everything's good,

(50:14):
and they finally drained it and see the arm sitting
over the corner of the basement, and they the arm,
I don't know is lost to history. I do not
know what happened to the arm.

Speaker 3 (50:28):
I can't even imagine being those people like I found your.

Speaker 4 (50:33):
Arm.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
Hello it is you don't wait, great, it is okay?
But yeah, And so what they think is that, you know,
they're having workers there at Baron's Loss.

Speaker 7 (50:47):
You know, they hear strange noises and things in the
basement and up on the roof, and of course the
legend goes that it's Jody, the ghost of Jody who's
come back and he's looking for his arm.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
Poring, guy it is. Meanwhile, they're back in that time
swinging it right.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
Sorry, guy, I don't know, so porn Jody. Yeah, And I've
never had any activity there, but I mean i've never
gone inside either. It would be interesting to talk to
some of the residents there and see if.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
That would be good things. Yeah, but I'm sorry I
started this. I'm sorry time for Coffy.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
But so that's that's one kind of ghost story. But
we would always I would take the walking tour past
Barons Loops and I did not nothing. We'd look into
the basement. You can look into the basement windows.

Speaker 3 (51:44):
That's kind of cool.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
That is cool, you know. And it's like somewhere down
there is where the arm was, you know, and there's
just like boxes and storage and stuff.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
Okay, yeah, but it is.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
It's kind of interesting. And then yeah, moving on from there,
Kinny corn. From there is the Doctor Pepper Museum. And
the original building was built in nineteen oh six. It
was the Artesian Manufacturing and Bottling company. Doctor Pepper was
invented here in Waco by Charles Alderton and it was

(52:16):
the bottling company for Dr Pepper for a long time
when it eventually moved to Dallas and then opened later
in the nineties. As now it's called Doctor Pepper Museum. Okay,
this place does paranormal tours. I used to do the
paranormal tours there. It's haunted.

Speaker 3 (52:33):
It's that's one of those buildings, even as a kid,
just creeped me out always. But it's got a vibe
it does. It's it's more so the third flour. I
feel like it's a lot of the third floor and
then parts of the second floor, the first floor. It's

(52:53):
like the one spot where they have that weird animated
person doctor Alderton. That I feel like that area. You know,
he has.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Legs, he does, he does.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
That's even creepier. I didn't need to know.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
That, Doctor Alderton. Yeah. By the way, this is a
for those of you who don't know Doctor Pepper Museum.
You know, it's a got displazed and everything. They had
an animatronic and I mean it's an old animatronic of
doctor Balderton, and I mean nothing is creepy as heck.
And they just showed him. He's like in this little
box from the waist up and you press a button

(53:30):
and he's like, oh, I'm doctor Alderton and I'm going
to tell you about this and that you know. Well,
he's been retired now, but they didn't want to get
rid of him completely, so they put him in closet
for a while. And then if you didn't know he
was in there and you'd open the closet, it'd scare
the Jesus out of you, because he actually is like
a full person and he's like got legs. And so

(53:51):
now they have put him in a special glass case
kind of in the general area. He's been decommissioned he's
been retired, but you can still see Doc Thank You
in all his creepy, fully legged glory.

Speaker 3 (54:09):
Now that's so weird.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
Yeah he is. He's even creepier now.

Speaker 3 (54:14):
But I didn't need to know that the ghost could
just possess this little animatronic and then just walk away.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
Yeah, yeah, if he wanted to walk away now, granted
they've got him in case to this plastic container, so well, yes,
but yeah, the Doctor Pepper Museum, aside from creepy dock,
lots of activity. I've been taking people there since twenty
sixteen and shadow people, full bodied apparition scene in the basement.

(54:47):
This one I thought was super interesting because in the
basement of the Doctor Pepper Museum, we would take people
on tours down there, and that's where this kind of
grumpy entity lived. Down there's like this hole in the
wall and the brick wall, and it's got chicken wire
over it, and it's just really it's like a crawlway

(55:10):
underneath the main building and it's just dirt and stuff.
And so I know that Janet years ago did an
investigation there with some other people and she was up
against her shoulder was up against the chicken wire and
something grabbed her through it. And one of the security
guards that used to work there, he had this experience

(55:31):
where he was with us. We were doing an investigation,
and he was like all, great, Oh, this is a
lot of fun haha. And he started hearing this like weird,
skittery noise through the dirt coming toward him. Something was
coming toward him, and he says, I just got overwhelmed
with this sense of dread. And the man started falling

(55:53):
and his face got really red and he's getting shaky
on his feet. I'm thinking he's getting he's having a
heart attack or something. And I'm like, hey, do I
need to call nine one one? Are you okay? Are
you okay? And he's like no, I'm good, I'm good.

Speaker 4 (56:07):
You know.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
We got him some water and he sat down, but
he refused to go in that area ever again. And
he doesn't work there anymore. But he's like, no, no way.
And that's why they don't do communication sessions in the
basement of the Doctor Pepper Museum. But and if anybody
from the Doctor Pepper Museum's listening to this, they're probably

(56:28):
I'm sidy, shut up. You know, you're giving me away
all the secrets. I don't give away too much more,
but but I have taken classes there front because I
teach the NCC paranormal classes and I have a student
that he speaks fluent Spanish, and we went down to

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the basement and I'm like, okay, we're not on the tour,
you know, let's if you want, we can try some
communication sessions. And we had the necrophonic and we've done
a few little communication type things before that down in
the basement and didn't really get any responses. So he
starts talking in Spanish and he's getting these Spanish responses

(57:13):
from the necrophonic and it's some grumpy old Hispanic guy
named Juan that just wants to be left alone. And
he's like, I'm working. That's the type of response since
he was getting it's like I'm at work, I'm working,
you know, please go.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
We might I might just need to go there. I'm
going to need to take one of your classes just
to you know what. Let me sign up right now
for next semester.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
Yeah, you know, And so he he was there in
he took the class and fall, because I do the
class and fall in the class. In spring, he took
the class and fall with his daughter Corey and his
name is Tim and they're gonna start helping with my classes.
Now they're just they're hoot. And then in spring he

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came back, so there's like a repeat, a repeat student.
So we got to see him communicate with one I
think that's his name one in Fall and in spring
and the same type of thing. It's like, I'm working,
and in spring he was at least able to start
asking questions about work, you know, how's work going? You know,
it's like, pleas leave, I'm working, you know, And and

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he would give his name and that was that was
about it. So it's just somebody grumpy, just like wanted
to be left alone, you know, I'm trying to work. Yeah,
that would.

Speaker 3 (58:37):
Be interesting to do something there. M hm, oh, I.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
Know, I know there's yeah. So yeah, the shadow people
have been seen at the Doctor Pepper Museum, hearing kids
run around, voices of kids, feelings of dizzyness. Yeah, there's
just story after story, guys, activity, things, levitating the doors

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on the third floor. There's an office building kind of
down the hall from where the bathrooms are. We've been
hearing really loud knocks, like somebody knocking on their front
floor type knocks.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
Yeah, I don't like the third That's one of those
Like it's not that I don't like it, it's just very
almost unsettling, like you know, you can be there, but
then it's like is there somebody else here with me
or not?

Speaker 2 (59:30):
Mm, yeah there is.

Speaker 3 (59:33):
Yeah, but that's one of those places it's like I
can get through it, but I don't like being up there.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
Yeah, yeah, the whole I had to say, the second
floor is where I've seen the most activity, but there's
been plenty of activity on the third floor wo as well.
So yeah, the Doctor Pepper Museum, I would love it
when I work there. I'm not doing the not doing
the tours so now, but I would love it if
they would start doing like with the Zoos does where
they have overnights days.

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
Ooh, that would be a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
Wouldn't that be awesome?

Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
That would be fun because I mean the.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
Museum is pretty much public proof. I mean people aren't
gonna run through and break things, and so yeah, I'm like, oh,
like we get that to stay to night in the
basement and that would that would be cool And I go,
people would be a lot of money to stay in
this haunted, creepy basement. Yeah. So yeah, another haunted place.

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Oh I know, you should see Alison's face.

Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
She's like, oh, let me get everything lined up. I'm
gonna start taking your class next semester.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
Well yeah, yeah, we'll have to figure something out right now.
Hypoge so bad.

Speaker 3 (01:00:54):
I think that's like every local investigator though, is to
get in the hippodrome.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
I know, all I know, So okay, doctor Pepper. Yeah,
there's you know, I'm not even going to touch on
the historic homes just for time's sake, but suffice to
say that, yes, are Waco historic columns. I take students
there as well. There are there's paranormal activity in the

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in the historic homes as well. Yeah, but I do
want to jump over to oh yeah, yeah, we're we're
like overtime. I do want to We'll end on this
Cameron Park and the zoo. The zoo, well, I'll just
say the zoo very haunted. Poltergeist activity, apparitions, shadow people, footsteps,

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a gravestone stuck in a tree. Why is it there?
We don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
There's just a lot, a.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
Lot, but lots of stories around Cameron. There's the story
of Jacob's Ladder, whereas a big it's a big stairway
that people used to like m jog and and walk
a lot on. And there's Grabbing the Ghost and he's
been around since the nineteen eighties and he will like
grab people that are walking on Jacob's Ladder. But there's

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other places in Cameron Park as well. And so I
wanted to let you talk about your latest excursion. Yeah,
so circle Point in Cameron Park.

Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
I had gone with a friend and we were just
he had never done like an actual investigation, so I
was like, okay, well I actually have this app on
my phone if you like, basically a dumbed down version
of an investigation. So he's like okay, yeah. So we
were sitting there doing it well. For whatever reason, they

(01:02:50):
didn't really l n like him, but they liked me.
So th like they're like they said, they're saying take
a step up. So I took a step up, and
they're like him stay So they wanted him to stay back.
But so he I had finally tooken a step up.
I sat down. There's a tree right there, so he

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turned around like sat down next to me. So we're
pretty much back to back and having this whole conversation
of like who are you, are you like that all
that kind of stuff, and basically came down It was
like the natives that are there, they especially at night,

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have a tendency of coming out more out of the
tree line. Ooh and so yeah, so they had told
me that they pretty much stick to the woods and
till it becomes dark, and so they that's when when
it comes dark, they start to come out of the
tree line a little bit more and so they'll start talking.

(01:03:54):
So yeah, I have not heard at all, so that
this is all just during that investigation there just like yeah,
we'll come out and talk with just to certain people.
And so it's like it's certain people that they'll come
out and talk to, but they tell you where to
go and where to stop, and then they'll come.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
Out they'll like direct you.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
Yeah. So like there is a very specific point that
they would they did not want me to cross. And
so that's why I was like, do you want me
to sit down? Do you want to be like you
can sit down? So like I sat down, but there
is a very specific spot that they wanted me to
go to. Oh my yeah goodness.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
Yeah, did they say anything to you.

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
No, they're so it was just like, Yeah, it was
like they come out at night and so it's like
it's easier for them to communicate. I guess because there's
not as much people or I guess the energy from
the end of the day of all the people coming
in and out that it's just easier. I don't know
what they it's at night.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
And it was a lot of energy.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:04:56):
It it felt like we're we're being watched very much.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
So that's insane.

Speaker 3 (01:05:01):
Yeah, and it was. It was definitely creepy. And I
want to go back and do another investigation. I just
haven't yet. Well I want to go too, Yeah, we should.
We should. And it was a lot it was And
I think it would be good, like even at sunset,
to just go there and just to do something there because.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
I've never heard about the native ghosts coming out of
the the tree.

Speaker 3 (01:05:27):
Neither did I. Neither did I. But they said that
they usually come out at night, So if you go
at night, that they'll usually start to come out and
like wander around.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
Oh my gosh, all right at it to the list.

Speaker 3 (01:05:42):
Yeah, So I'm like I want to go again and
like do an actual investigation and see if there's anything
that we can get.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
That would be awesome. And if there's like apparitions or
shadows or something. Yeah, I see if we can catch
that on video.

Speaker 3 (01:05:57):
Yeah, that would be so cool.

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
Yeah, I love it. I love it. So yeah. Cameron
Park very haunted. The Cameron Park is very haunted. Haven't
even mentioned our haunted cemeteries. We have Oakwood Cemetery, First
Street Cemetery. Yes, both very haunted. So basically you can
just like stamp a ghost over the top of Waite Goat.

Speaker 3 (01:06:21):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
And just because of our oh yeah, the little street
on Austin and third, I think it is right around
the corner from the Roosevelt. Okay, don't tell your brother this.
Right around the front of the Roosevelt is where the
famous duel between Tom Davis and WC. Brand took place.

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And this is you know, real quick, I'll end on this.

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
W C.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
Brand he was the editor of a maggots or non magazine.
There was like a newspaper called The Iconoclast, and he
was like a old fashioned troll, and so he would
just like say these really horrible things about Wacos Elitton
and people at Baylor, and he made the mistake of

(01:07:10):
calling Baylor girl's magdalines, which is just a nice way
of calling a phorse. And so a father of a
Baylor student, a female Baylor student, said no, that's not
going to stand, and so they have this big argument
and they eventually have a duel. He's challenged to a

(01:07:30):
duel light by this Tom Davis, and they turn and
they shoot each other right there in front of the
Roosevelt and eventually both of them end up dying of
their of their wounds. But we get like really strange
emf readings there every single time when we go past

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that building.

Speaker 3 (01:07:53):
That's crazy like and I've heard about that shootout a lot, and.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
There's a historic plaque the topic a little bit about it,
and people that used to live across the street in
these apartments, they would they talked about seeing shadow people
that would be walking up and down that street in
front of Roosevelt.

Speaker 3 (01:08:12):
So, oh, wake, what are we gonna do? I love it,
I do too well, this ghostly goodness it is. And
I think I need to start carrying more of my
ghost stuff with me just to be able to do
like an easy investigation.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
Both you and be both Yeah, because I'm downtown a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:08:34):
The same, and it's there's so much that you could
just quickly just do, like have a quick investigation.

Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
Well yeah, and like I said, I was looking at
this and I'm like, I I could fill a whole
other hour or more because I haven't even touched on
I think I've touched We've touched on maybe I don't know,
seventy five percent of the hunted spots.

Speaker 3 (01:08:57):
There's so much that you could just talk about, and
it's hard to go into depth about everything.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
Yeah, so maybe we'll revisit that as we're continuing to
do other episodes.

Speaker 3 (01:09:11):
Yeah, what was that?

Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
Yeah, yeah, we're overtime on that one, so we should
probably wrap it up, y'all. Thank you for listening, and
stay spooky. Bye.

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