Haunted Objects

Cindy and Alison take a field trip down to Cameron Trading to find some haunted objects. We also talk about some famous haunted objects that will peak your interests. 

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Episode Transcript

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Welcome to Spooky, a paranormal podcast, joined doctor Cindy Little and Alison Robles
as they journey through the realms ofthe supernatural, mysterious, and downright eerie,
from ghostly apparitions to poltergeists, fromhaunted houses to strange phenomena. Prepare
to have your senses heightened and yourbeliefs challenged. It's time to grab your

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headphones, dim the lights, andbrace yourself for a journey into the unknown.
If you dare, Welcome everybody.Cindy and Alison here, and today
we are going to be talking abouthaunted objects. So we have a lot

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to cover and we're just going toget right to it. When Alison and
I were thinking about this episode,we were thinking it would probably be fun
to do a little bit of research, so we took a field trip before
we started this episode a few weeksback to one of our local antique malls

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and it has a reputation for beinghaunted, and we thought, well,
maybe the reason why it's haunted isthere might be some haunted objects in there.
So we went and since Alison ispsychically sensitive, I said, hey,
let's just go in there. Andas you're walking around see if anything,

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you pick up anything you know thatmight give you some spooky or haunted
vibes. And so this is thisis what happened. I'm going to turn
it over to Alison at this point. Yeah. I think this was really
an experience for me because that day, I remember, I told you,
was an hour beforehand mm hmm,going to my mother in law's, probably

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two blocks and I started to getreally lightheaded, and I was like,
okay, whatever, can't do this, can't do this, Gotta you know,
focus on driving. Decided to keepgoing and yeah, and then met
you at Camon Trading and I toldyou I had visions of specifically a jewelry

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box like one of their glass casesmm hmm. And then of the second
floor back corner. I remember thatthat was a that was weird, That
was very weird. That was reallyweird. Uh yeah, it was that

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in itself. That back corner wasan experience in itself. Yeah. Upstairs,
Yeah, yeah, that was.And I think first going through,
I remember telling you so about thejewelry cases, something about it, and
then we kept so we decided tokeep walking and then we're on the back

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close to the staircase and then Iwas like, no, no, no,
we need to go back. Yes, And then this is when we
saw the Bible. Bible. Yes, yeah, I'd have walked right past
it. In fact, I didwalk right past it. It didn't even
catch my attention. Yeah. We'rewalking down the aisle and of course there's
antique booths on either side, andAllison's like, no, we need to

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go back, and I'm like,okay, all right. So and we
went right back to one of thebooths and I'm like, what do you
what are you picking up on?And we see this like old Bible that
is basically falling apart, and andwell, go ahead and tell them what

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your impressions were. I mean,I didn't want to touch it in any
way. I don't know what itwas. I just I couldn't. And
I mean I think I opened theflap a little bit. And then I
was like, yep, no,like I did not want to touch it
in any way. But yeah,that's essentially what it happened. I was

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like I and I grew up ina super religious home slash homes. My
parents divorced when I was really little. My dad stayed Catholic and my mom
went Baptists and obviously in Catholic faith, you're not supposed to have torn Bibles,

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like and I think I told youthis, and from what I understand
from my husband's family is true.Hispanic Catholics don't let your bible like they
don't let their bibles get to thatpoint. In order to properly dispose of
a Bible, you're supposed to burnit, is what his parents have told
me. So that for me,that kind of rubbed me extra weird.

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And it was just like, yeah, I don't like this. You were
really getting the hebgb's Yeah, Ido remember that. And I took out
my phone and I videoed you,and I plan on posting that quick video
on our social media just so peoplecan see what you're talking about. And
well, can actually see the Bible, and I mean it it's in rough

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shape. It's that's an understatement.That's a bit of an understatement. But
yeah, I don't I don't knowhow else you would describe it. Yeah,
it's like split open on the sideand there's pages missing, and it's
it's in rough shape. And ofcourse, with Alison catching these kind of

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creepy vibes from it, I'm like, okay, Yeah, the Bible's coming
home with me. So I purchasedthe Bible, and at the end of
our show we'll talk a little bitmore about what we found out about the
Bible. But we also we dida little more investigating up on the second
floor. I brought my one ofmy dowsing pendulums with me and we got

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some responses to some questions up onthe second floor in that corner that you
were getting impressions from. Yes,So, what do you remember about that?
I honestly, it was weird becausewe were getting responses from someone.

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Yes, And I think I couldn'tremember. I just remember the Anna part,
and I think we it was eitherHannah Anna, it was something like
of that sort as far as itwas a female that communicating with. And
I remember in my head hearing backaway Joe. Joe, which I had

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mentioned. I think I had mentionedlast was in my last the last episode.
Maybe I didn't, but Joe wasmy great uncle. Yeah, you
mentioned that when we were doing thesession, Yes, and so, and
that he's kind of a protector.Yeah, yeah, he's very protective.
And he which I don't even knowif I told you this, but he

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had passed away way before I wasborn, like probably ten fifteen years before.
I didn't know, So I hadn'teven met the guy. So he
is my grandpa's grandpa's oldest brother.So my uncle Joe is baby one of
ten and my grandpa is baby tenof ten. Good grief, and there

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is a twenty year age difference betweenthe two. Wow. Yeah, so
never knew him, And yeah,it was just a weird experience, like
there was for no reason that femalespirits shouldn't have known who that was.
But I was consistently just hearing Joeget away, move, move, and

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so at some point I did askhim to move, and we started to
get a little bit more responses fromwe did from Anna or Hannah whoever whatever.
Yeah, we started to get moreresponses, and I thought it was
weird because they had that corner blockedoff. It was weird. Yeah,

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they had booths up on the secondfloor that were you know, like the
ones on the first floor. Butyes, that corner that was really active
was like blocked off so well thatthere was no way that we could have
gotten back there into the actual corner. And it looked like it was a
lot of stuff back there too,So it could have been in any number

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of things that yeah, she couldhave been attached to, but no way
for us to find out. No, I know, and yeah, because
we would have had it. There'slike big shelves and big pieces of furniture
and there was no way. Yeah, well, we'll have to go back
and I hope figure it out.I hope they at least make it to

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where we can walk in there andhonestly finger squat cross that she's stole there
the next time we go. Yeah, yeah, I'm hoping so too,
because we were getting some pretty consistentresponses. Yes, So that was interesting.
And then after that we went backdownstairs again and we were just heading

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out towards the cashier and Allison stopsagain and she's like, oh, I
want to look at one of thesejewelry cases and she sees this ring and
I mean, it wasn't this bigfan see ring. It was just this
kind of plain looking ring. Andyou were like, I'm just picking something

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up about this ring, So whatdo you remember about that? I honestly,
it was it was very weird becauseit, like you said, it
wasn't I shouldn't have been drawn toit visually because it was the rings on
either side of it were much bigger, and I mean most people would have

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just glanced right over it forgotten aboutit. And I was like, no,
no, I something about that ring. And so we had gone to
go ask for them to take itout, and I was like, you
know what I'm gonna I'm gonna getit. And so she actually put the
I guess the ring holder back inthere, and she had in her hand

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in the second she put it back. It's like that case, Like I
felt nothing from the case again,Oh you didn't tell me that, gosh,
Like, wow, I didn't.For whatever reason, it was the
ring itself that I was drawn to. Mm hmm, And I was just
like, Okay, well, apparentlysomething or someone wants me to take it,

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so that's what I'm gonna do.So yes, so you bought the
ring. Yes, I bought theBible, and you took the ring home.
And we've had that for a fewweeks at your house and the Bible
at my house for a few weeks. And like I said at the end
of the show, well we'll talkmore about our impressions on the ring and

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and the Bible and whether or notwe think they're haunted. Yes, yes,
which I will say shortly after,I did buy a pack of the
pendulums. Oh you do put Amazon? Oh good, Yeah, I got
some. And then I also endedup getting some game cams as well.

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Nice. Yeah, so I hadthose set up as well, and so
I was super excited with the ringYeah yeah, oh yeah, that's what
I was doing with the Bible andhad my EMF meter. Yeah. Anyway,
more to come so onward. Asidefrom ghost hunting and paranormal investigations,

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I am also a parapsychologist, whichhas to do with kind of the academic
side of all of this, andhaunt activity is something that is studied in
the field of parapsychology, and partof haunt activity is something called psychometry,

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which is this study of apparently hauntedobjects. So I wanted to talk just
a little bit about that. Thisis actually something that's been studied since the
eighteen hundreds. And there was aphysician and his name was let's see,
I've got it written down here dodo do ah? Yes, there he

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is, okay, Joseph Buchanan ineighteen forty and he started doing some experiments
with some of his students and hewould put like salt in sugar in in
sealed envelopes and then he would givethem to the students and see if they
could identify what was in the envelopejust by holding it, and they were.

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He got some pretty good, prettygood results with that. So he
kind of went from there and startedstudying more about people who have like psychic
type abilities like you do, andwhat types of impressions and things that they
could get from objects if they holdthe object, what they could tell about

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about them, And so that waskind of the beginnings of psychometry, the
field of psychometry which is within parapsychology, and of course later on there have
been people that have been studied thatare actually very gifted at this. I
think it was back in the nineteenthirties or forties there were these French scientists

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and they studied a man who isfrom Poland and I've got his name written
down here too, Stephan Ohzo Lucky. I'm probably butchering that, but anyway,
they did numerous experiments with him andthey handed one of them was they

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handed him a box and I waslike, okay, what impressions are you
getting from this box? And He'slike Okay, I'm getting there's like wrapping
inside the box. There's wrapping paper, and I'm getting the impression of like
earth and dust. And he says, now I'm seeing like something volcanic and

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planets and collisions in outer space.And so what was in the box was
a piece of meteorite. And sohe was getting all these impressions from you
know, and he had no ideawhat was in the box. And then
they asked him to say, well, what who owned the box? Tell

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us about the person that owned thebox, and he says, well,
he's passed away, and he wasan older man and he had gray hair,
and he accurately described the guy.And the guy was dead. And
he says, also, the boxspent a lot of time on a bookshelf.
I just sensed that it spent agreat deal of time on the bookshelf.
And the researcher said, yeah,the man that owned the box gave

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it to me and I put iton the bottom of my books elf before
I got to study you and andyou know, bring it out. So
all of this stuff was like reallyaccurate. Just from him holding this object,
he was able to kind of tellthe past of the object. And

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you know what was what was insideof the box and all of this.
So that's really kind of where psychometrystarted. And we call those subjective experiences,
which I mean, that's okay,all right, God, she needs
some water. She's like, herface is turning red. Oh my gosh.

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So that's kind of the beginnings ofpsychometry, and those are kind of
those are what we call subjective Doyou use some water, I'm good,
you're good. We can hop yeah, yeah, yeah, we got it.
We got it that meteor dust.But that was kind of the beginnings
of psychomogry. But those are subjectiveexperiences, meaning that the person holding the

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object usually is psychically gifted and theyare able to kind of like what you
did at the antique mall. Oh, I'm getting some impressions here from this
object. I mean I'm thinking,you know this. Yeah, well,
we'll talk more about what those impressionswere coming up. But you were definitely

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getting some psychic impressions from that Bibleand so, but the Bible itself wasn't
doing anything crazy. It wasn't likefloating around the room or you know,
bursting into flames or we're hearing,you know, satanic voices or anything like
that around the Bible, and sowe didn't have any objective experiences, but

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there are plenty of so called hauntedobjects where weird things happen around the object
that everybody experience, and I thinkof like poltergeist cases. We did a
research paper with I'm gonna do alittle plug here with Darren Ritzen, who

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is an English researcher parapsychology or yeah, parapsychology researcher, and he had this
great poltergeist case, the South ShieldsPoltergeist case that he wrote. He's written
like three books on and one ofthe things that he said was that the
activity because there was all these objectsmoving around in the house and it was

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just crazy. And when they lefthim and his research partners left the house,
they would go home to their ownhomes and weird stuff would start happening
and it's like they brought something homeor some kind of energy followed them.
And he calls contagion. You know, we caught quote unquote, we caught

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something from the house. And andso I look at that with with these
like really creepy, well known hauntedobjects where it's kind of like, okay,
not only do people get get poorAllison, I was fine old day
dude. But not only do peopleget impressions like, oh this is really

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creepy. I'm getting these impressions,but sometimes weird stuff actually happens, or
sometimes the objects themselves will like moveand do kind of creepy crazy things,
and so that's like a completely differentthing. And that's where I'm kind of
like, I don't know. Idon't know, is this is there a
spirit attached to this or is thissome kind of energy that's in the the

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object from some terrible past something.I'm I'm not exactly sure. So I'm
I'm going to hand it off toyou, tell me what you think,
and then tell me about the creepyobjects. Yeah, So, I mean,
I think I don't know. Whenit comes to objects, it's just

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you know how much energy that person, I guess, gives into it.
Like I mean, if you thinkabout a ring, it's and this is
going to tie in with some ofthe stuff that we found out later with
the ring. But like when youyou know, two people get married or
two people really it symbolizes that loveand what it holds between those two people,

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and stuff like that tends to buildall that energy, whether it's negative
or positive, and the object withholdsit in whatever way. So I just
think that that's really interesting. Ido too. Something obviously is going on,
because yeah, people get personal experiencesor feelings or thoughts about objects that

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are supposed to be haunted. Andthen yeah, like I said, some
of those objects, actually really weirdstuff happens. Yes, so yes,
and I have to use my phonefor these, some of these because I
words on my phone instead of ainstead of me like a piece of paper
like an ancient person. Well,I even thought about printing it, and

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then I was like, I don'thave access to a printer, which shows
digital age. So so digital age, yes, But so the first one,
which I told you all three atthe beginning, but the Annabelle doll,
which I feel like most people nowadaysknow what that is. Yeah,

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but it's not what is shown inthe movies by like that porcelain doll.
And isn't it like a raggedy annYeah, yeah, it's like the yarn
as hair. The triangle knows,it's not what most people would even think
of. But the movie does mentionthat a student nurse was given the doll,

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and she claimed that it was behavingstrangely, it was just doing weird
things. Contacted a psychic medium andshe was then told that the doll was
essentially like possessed, and that itwas inhabited by a deceased girl named Annabelle.

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So the doll itself wasn't even Annabelle. It was who previously owned it.
Okay, yeah, so it's like, it's crazy how she even got
the name Annabelle. So it wasit was. Yeah, I find that
mind boggling that the doll itself wasn'teven named Annabelle. Oh it is that?

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That's I always thought it was justthe doll's name. Yeah, girl
named it. It was the owner. The little girl was named annabel and
the little girl was possessed, possessingthe doll. Weird. So yeah,
so creepy. And so once thestudent found this out, this was when
the Warrens were contacted about the doll, and they reported that it was they.

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They just decided to move it totheir museum for safety reasons since it
was deemed possessed, and so thedoll stayed with them within a glass box.
It was of course blessed, whichagain described in the movies. Pretty
well, because that's what they saythey do with all their objects. That

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room has been blessed. According toa Texas State University assistant professor, that
many skeptics have claimed that many ofthe items in the Warrens Museum were potentially
purchased online and could be found ata local stores. What. Yeah,

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so, I guess he asked didresearch, and a lot of skeptics were
just saying, Oh, you cango find this at pretty much a store,
Like there's no none of this isactually real and it's just in the
person's mind. Yeah. Yeah,So it was saying that a lot of

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the skeptics are saying that the claimto fame was because of movies of the
time like Chucky Conjuring those kinds ofthings, and that, uh, it
was the hauntings are just due tothe Warren's brain. So basically, the
Warrens had convinced themselves that the dollwas haunted and that's why the hauntings were

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occurring. You know, that justreally bugs me because I mean, I
being skeptical is one thing, butI hear stories like that and it's like,
you really don't know what you're talkingabout. There's been like over one
hundred and fifty years of scientific researchat major universities like Princeton and Duke on

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psychic abilities, and they're real.And I mean people like that are saying,
oh, it's not real because psychicabilities aren't real. They just went
to you know, Amazon and purchasedthings or whatever, went to the storm
and purchased things. And it's likeyou just saying that is telling me that
you don't even know what you're talkingabout. Yeah, and it's like,

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yes, you can find a lotof these common household items in a store,
but that's not necessarily what makes themhaunted. It's the events after the
purchase, staring them having it,That's what makes the object, yeah,
end up in that area or howit was, how it is. So

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I just find it interesting. UhYeah, Like I said, I don't
mind it if people are skeptical andsay, hey, you know what,
you know, extraordinary claims require extraordinaryevidence. I get it. I'm that
way too. But if you've justalready made up your mind about these things
and you don't even know what you'retalking about, you know, that's not

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being skeptical. You're just being you'rebeing stupid. Sorry, No, I'm
sorry, not sorry, I meanit's I mean, we if you think
about it, want to know anythingwe know today without finding information, how
else would we know? Like youcan eat pineapple. Yeah, it's like

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saying, oh, I don't believeyou can eat pineapple. It's just in
your brain. Yeah. Yeah,Oh it's so spiky. Yeah, you
can't that. It's like someone hadto do it. Yeah. Does that
mean it's in everybody else's head thatthey can eat pineapple? Yeah, like
it's it makes no sense, yes, no, but there's I mean,

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we've been eating pineapple for years,oh, centuries. Yeah, so it's
like, oh, doesn't make sensethough, but if someone says it,
it must be true. Yeah.Yeah, like yeah, I yeah,
I'm okay, I'm I'm gonna stepoff my soapbox. On the so called
skeptics, Yeah, I will saythis, whether or not you have an

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opinion on haunted objects. I believethat there is something going on with objects
or places which are just big objects. I mean, these these types of
things are real. Yeah. Imean, and for people that are definitely
science based, there's the theory ofenergy cannot be created nor destroyed. Yeah,

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so then what happens to that energy? Exactly where does it go?
Where does people's energy after they passgo. It's like it kind of doesn't
make sense. It really doesn't.And to me, it's it's just really
arrogant. And because it's kind oflike we live in a really mysterious world.

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There's so much we don't know.Oh yeah, we just don't know.
At least be open to the ideathat, hey, maybe something weird
is going on here that we don'tunderstand. It's it's it's crazy. But
yes, yeah, okay, Annabel, who's next. So Robert the Doll?
Oh, I hate that thing.I've seen that thing. I hate

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so I've seen I've only seen picturesand oh your microphone' kind of cuttingw a
little bit. Air, Am Igood? You're good? There we are.
Yay, we found Itay, SoRobert the Doll. Yeah. Of
course another haunted thing also never gotits name from It got its name from

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the person especially, So another oneof those situations. Robert Eugene Odo,
that's what's the name? Yeah,it's the name. So this little boy
got the doll because his grandfather purchasedit for him and the year of nineteen
oh four, while on our tripin Germany. So it was a birthday

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gift, and the dolls remained atthe house with the boy until he had
left for college, and it stayedthere. So at this point, Robert
graduated, got married in the thirtiesto a net moved back home to childhood
home. Life is great, andhe ended up passing in seventy four.

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His wife died two years later.So the legend is that the doll is
said to have was able to moveand change facial expressions on its own,
so creepy, and it would evengiggle. Oh that's even worse. It
would so basically move facial expressions,giggling, so almost as if it was

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a human. Others say that hewas aware of his surroundings and had the
ability to move voodoo figures. Voodoofigures. Yeah, it was oddly specific.
It's oddly specific, but voodoo figures. I wonder what those are,
like chicken feet or something. Idon't know. And again it why just

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voodoo figures? Like if he couldmove things around him, why not,
like this music stand that's next tome. Why could he not? But
why voodoo figures? That's a mystery. Yeah. So, and then the
family sold the house and after that, the doll mysteriously vanished, is what

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this said. It said that potentiallyafter the change of ownership of the property,
or that it is because Robert blamedthe doll for mishaps in his childhood.
So basically, whenever the house changedhands, the doll vanished or for
potential blame of Robert, the personget hurt or getting in trouble, so

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he would blame the doll. Sohe would blame the doll. Robert did
it all that negative energy going intothat doll? Yeah? Interesting? Yeah,
So that said that he the dollcaused many things to go wrong,
such as car accidents, broken bones, and claim that it can Visitors that

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fall failed to respect the doll cancome under those claims. So I guess
essentially they will end up hurt.Yes, And like I said earlier,
I saw the doll. We wereon a trip and we stopped in Key

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West, Florida, and Robert isat this museum and he's encased in glass,
this big glass case, and Ijust went in there. I'm like,
oh, it's Robert, It's Robertthe doll, you know, And
I just started taking pictures. Andthen after that there was a sign I
saw that said, you know,you need to respect Robert. Don't take

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pictures without asking his permission. Andso I did not ask permission from Robert
to take pictures. But you know, as far as I know, nothing
super creepy happened. But they hadthere at the museum aside from Robert.
Some of the letters that people wroteto Robert begging his forgiveness because they had

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disrespected him in some way. Andthen they went home and like terrible things
happened, like car crashes and peopledying and sickness and all this horrible stuff.
And so they wrote him letters andsaying, oh, we're so sorry,
you know, please forgive us,lift your curse, and you know,
and I don't know what happened afterthat, those people their lives got

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better, but I thought it wasreally interesting. And so, yeah,
he's he's had a reputation for beinga cursed doll or a longing, I
know, and he's so oh god, I hate creepy dolls. The pictures
that were online made him look veryin person, he's worse. He's bigger

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than you would expect. He's likebig, no, he's yeah, yeah,
he's like child sized, and he'ssitting there up in this little pedestal
and glass box. His face ismade out of some weird material. Oh
he's just so creepy. Yeah yeah, nope, nope, nope, check

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that one off my bucket list rightnow. I'm not doing it. Yeah
yeah, yeah, he's very creepy. If you do, just be sure
to ask permission to take his picture. Yikes, you might not get away
so easy. Yeah. I didn'tsee him move or anything, though,
which that would have really freaked meout. I don't want why. Yeah,

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and he didn't giggle. We didn'tlike leave the area and hear this
little he I mean, I feltlike I would have taken off running though.
Yes, yeah, I don't know. You're a little more psychically in
tune, so who knows, hemight like wink at you or no.
I'd be like, I'd be like, bye, Robert, you next time.

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Oh so creepy. Yeah, he'ssuper creepy, super creepy. And
there's like you go to the giftshop and you can buy like little Robert
magnets and little Robert dolls. Youknow, if you want to take your
own little Robert doll home, goto the gift shop. They're totally capitalizing
on. Yeah, he's their moneymaker. He can stay there, he can.

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I hope he stays there there disappear, Yeah, and somehow disappear to
end up in someone else's house.Ye know that? Yeah, No,
in the back of the car.It's family vacationing in Key West. No,
thank you, It would not begood. No. So what's what
this third one surprised me? TheHope diamond. That was surprising. I

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had no idea. Yeah. Sothe way it was described is a bluestone
that is surrounded by mythology and saidto bring misfortune. Yeah, so misfortune
to those that own it where itor have some kind of possession over the

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stone, and that one's gonna endup like later on, kind of like
unfolding, because possession isn't like basicallyin their hands, possession, not like
oh okay, they own it,okay. Yeah. So apparently the stone

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was originally stolen because it was theeye of a Hindu goddess in the late
nineteenth to early twentieth century, andthe color was said to have been white,
but once it was stolen it wasit changed. Oh wow. Yeah,
So I didn't put that in mynose. I just threw it on

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my memory and hoped I would rememberit. It was like an Indiana Jones
movie. Yeah wow, yeah,so it was stolen. Many origins of
the curse started in what with Westernauthors and during the Victorian era. So
I mean, like I said,misfortune people, I'm gonna say it this

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way, being unlived, being unlive, being unlived. So this is serious.
Yes. So one was a womanwith the last name of Colette purchased
the diamond and then unlived herself.Ooh yeah woo. So then the next

(37:59):
person to own it purchased it fromCollette. This man was Prince Ivan and
he was unalived by a Russian revolutionary. So basically a revolutionary group went over
and unlived him. Oh wow.Yes, So skip a few people owning

(38:24):
the diamond because it was a very, very long list. Another woman ended
up unliving herself, what correction,was unalived by her sweetheart, and they
also had the diamond. One ofthem had the diamond and their possession like

(38:45):
they owned it. And this iswhere in their possession comes into play.
A boo was given the stone topolish the stone, and he was later
imprisoned and tortured. Oh my god. Yeah. So didn't even own the

(39:06):
stone, had no affiliation other thanhe was supposed to clean it. Oh
my god. Yeah, So myquestion is where is that thing? Now?
Do you know? So I'm notreally sure. I didn't put it
in my notes because the last thingis the list continues from the mysterious accounts

(39:27):
of having the stone. Oh mygoodness. Okay, listeners, if you
know where the Hope diamond is,let us know. Yeah. I don't
want to be near it. Yeah. And it's like something as simple as
cleaning it can bring you misfortune.That's insane. Yeah. Yeah. And
so I did do a little bitmore other than those three objects. So

(39:54):
a lot of my coworkers are like, I'm by coworkers. I have a
part time job at a local pizzaplace here that has delicious pizza. It's
the best in town. It's great. So a lot of a lot of
my coworkers are here on work visasfrom Mexico. And I asked them,

(40:16):
what are some well known objects fromMexico that y'all think would be cool like
to hear? Well, every singleone of them said, we don't believe
in haunted objects. We believe inhaunted people or places. Interesting I think
it's that, you know what,eight hours from us from where we are

(40:43):
now. It's their legends all involvepeople places. That's really interesting. Oh
but what about I'm going to bringit up again. What about that island
of the dolls? I know,but in Mexico. I asked them about
that and they said, well,it's because it's a place full of haunted
dolls. Yeah, And so Iwas like, well, what do you

(41:07):
mean. They're like, no,it's the island itself that's haunted by the
girl. The dolls were brought toplease the little girl. That's true on
the island, and then the man. That's how the whole thing with the
man that passed away there, itstarted by him bringing a doll, But

(41:29):
it was the physical place that washaunted, is what they were saying.
Interesting. Yeah, so it makesyou wonder if you take a doll,
what happens, Like is it haunted? Or will she get angry? Will
something happen on the way back fromthe island to mainland, or like what

(41:52):
would have happened if you were totry to take one of the dolls.
I wonder if something I bet peoplehave tried to do that that would be
really interest. I would never doit. No, I would not be
daring to do it. But Iasked those same questions, and it was
they were all saying, no,it's the island that haunted. The island

(42:13):
is haunted, but not the dolls. Yeah, I don't know. To
me, it's kind of a tomatotomato type thing, because I mean a
place is technically an object. Imean the island is technically a big object.
Yeah, So that's how I seeit. Yeah, I don't,
I don't know, but every singleone of them is No, it's people

(42:36):
places, not items. So wow, I just learned something new about a
different culture. Yeah, and Imean there, I mean some of them
are from Central Mexico, some ofthem are from northern Mexico. It's you
have people, you have them thatare just from kind of wherever, like

(42:58):
all over and just you know,obviously making a living like any one of
us. But the cultural differences ofsomething like that, that is interesting.
That is really interesting. Huh.Yeah, I just learned something new.

(43:20):
You know, I'm gonna agree todisagree though, Yeah, I mean,
I don't know. I feel likethat's because the Island of the Dolls is
a really good like murky water kindof subject. It's like, is it
the island or is it the objects? Like the dolls itself. Yeah,
because if they were put there toplease the little girl, what happens if

(43:45):
you take the doll away, oneof them away? Yeah, well the
girl get really angry. Yeah,because supposedly those dolls do move around and
like blink their eyes and stuff.So I know, it's just I'm not
a fan of dolls either. MaybeI'm just not no, no, but

(44:05):
you picked two dolls from your list. I know, I was like,
I mean these I know Annabelle obviously, because who hasn't watched the Conjuring movies
at this point, She's like thenumber one well known hanky object. So
it's like I feel like I wouldhave felt if I hadn't talked about her.
Yeah. Yeah, they gotta putAnnabelle in there. Yeah. Yeah.

(44:29):
And then you have crazy people likeZach Began's the Ghost Adventurers guy that
has like a whole haunted museum inLas Vegas. Why why would you?
Why? I mean, I reallyhope that he gets it blessed like the
museum. If he doesn't, ohyeah, I don't. I don't think

(44:49):
I would plan on visiting. Yeah, I don't know. I'm kind of
curious, but I don't I don'tknow, I don't know. I mean
I guess that's what the warrants had. But the warrants had their even their
house blessed. Yeah. They werevery religious. Yeah, they were Catholic

(45:10):
and they were very very religious.So it's like, I guess it just
kind of falls under where your religionlies. This is where that kind of
goes. Yeah, I mean,it crosses over really really quickly from you
know, it's like you see,Okay, I see a doll that's moving

(45:30):
around and giggling like Robert so creepy. Well, what's going on here?
You know? People have to haveexplanations and so it's like and there again
it's kind of back to what Iwas saying earlier. Is this just some
kind of energy? Is this somekind of spirit manipulating the object? Is
it something possessing, like a demonytype thing? You know, we just

(45:53):
don't know, But one thing wecan say, I think pretty comp comp
evidently, is that, yeah,some of these objects have really crazy things
happen around them, and they movearound and do kind of crazy things themselves.
So yeah, I don't know,it's it's very mysterious. I just

(46:17):
I find stuff like this very interesting. Well yeah, yeah, I mean
it's because it's weird how different people'sreligion does play a part in how they
process this kind of information, Likeis it haunted. Maybe it's just a

(46:38):
surge of energy. If you're moreof like a scientific based person, maybe
it's just you know, you havethe lay lines, and it's believed that
the lay lines have surges of energy. So maybe if it's in the right
place at the right time, whichwe talk about all the time, Yeah,
that it might just have that surgeof energy to move or to say

(47:00):
something. So well, and here'ssomething I don't want to get too far
out on a rabbit trail, butyour friends from Mexico said that places or
people are haunted now and we'll betalking about this in later episodes. I
do believe definitely that people can bequote unquote haunted where I call them ghost

(47:23):
magnets, where they are just wiredup differently, and you put them in
a situation that might be have areputation for being haunted, or even near
a haunted object or something, andweird stuff happens. So you got to
take that into consideration too, whereyou know, maybe depending on whoever visits

(47:45):
the haunted place or handles the socalled haunted object, that's going to make
the object, I don't know,come alive or do something awful, or
you know, because of the personand the specific person that's handling the object.
I don't know. Yeah, it'sI mean, it's a lot to

(48:08):
think about, and like you said, definitely a future episode. But it's
just it's crazy how stuff like thatcan affect it. Yeah. Oh,
and as we're on the subject ofhaunted objects, I want to tell our
our local Waco listeners we do havea somewhat famous haunted object here in Waco.

(48:30):
Have you seen the haunted couch.You've told me about it, I
have never actually seen it. Okay, we need to take a trip out
to the consignment furniture store on Sixthand Bosky. It's a used furniture store
and they, as last I checked, they're not really wanting to sell the

(48:52):
couch. It's been there for many, many years. They have a haunted
couch there, and I investigated it. My phone went dead. Around the
couch, people's watches will start goinghaywire around the couch. They brought somebody
brought it in and they had toyou know, no excuse me, they

(49:13):
don't remember who brought it in.But then another family purchased it and they
took it home and they said itwas like all hell broke loose in their
house. Cupboards were opening on theirown. They were getting this like sulfur
stench in their kitchen. Drawers wereopening and shutting, and as soon as

(49:37):
they brought the couch in, andso they're like, nope, nope,
And they brought the couch right backto the store. And so the store
still has it as far as Iknow, but they had to move it
away from like their point of salesystem up front because it was going all
crazy with the couch nearby. Sothere's objective weird stuff that happens around that

(50:05):
couch that's interesting. It is.I want to go see it. We'll
have to go see it. Yes, definitely. Yeah, I thought you'd
seen the haunted couch. No,not at all. I mean I think
when we went to Cameron Trading thatwas the first time even hearing about it.
Okay, oh wow, yeah,So I mean, no, it's

(50:29):
not as famous as Annabelle or Robertor the Hope Diamond, but it's pretty
well known around Waco. Yeah.Well, I'll have to take it because
I would love to get your opinionon it, with your you know,
psychic sensitivities. And has Robert orRobbie seen it? I don't know.
I don't know our yeah, ourour psychic friend Robbie Allen. That would

(50:52):
be really interesting. I'm not sure. Robbie, if you're listening, let
us know if you've seen the HauntedCouch. We'll have to maybe do another
field trip. Yeah, because that'llbe interesting to see what he has to
say about it. Yes, definitely, Two psychics and a couch. I'll
just like stand there with my popcornand watch from a distance. Interesting show.

(51:15):
Two psychics and the couch. Itlooks like I know what we're doing.
Yeah, that's right. He'll belike, oh no, don't you
dare. And I know the exactlocation we're shooting on it. And the
couch it's just this old granny couch. You know, you wouldn't even you
just walk right by it. It'skind of ugly. Yeah. But anyway,

(51:38):
so well, let's see. Sincewe're back to the antique, mal
I should probably wrap things up hereresults results. You took home the ring.
I took home the Bible. Sotell me about the ring. What
happened there? It was. Itwas weird because I think I told you

(52:06):
the ring was actually a little smallwhen I when that day mm hm,
Well I had had it. Andthen I woke up the next morning still
with the urge because that whole dayI was had the urge of wearing it.
And my fingers, actually my lefthand fingers kept twitching what like it
was like almost like that like theend right at that middle knuckle kept like

(52:31):
pulling, and so I was like, okay, no, like but I
wanted to wear it, like forwhatever reason. Well, then the next
day it slipped right on to myring finger on my right hand. Oh
kidding it Like I mean it wasit was a little snug, but it

(52:53):
slipped on pretty well. Wow,And I was like, this is weird.
There's no way I took it off. There was no problem taking it
off. I mean yeah, Iwas like, it was fine, but
and I was like, there's noway that a ring within twenty four hours
goes from going maybe just before thatmiddle knuckle. It was a pretty small

(53:15):
ring, yeah, fitting completely onmy finger, like there was no way,
no, and yeah it was.It was just a weird one of
those things. And I mean itwas funny because I didn't even tell my
husband that I had it. Andthat next day when it fit, he

(53:42):
comes into the door because he wasat work. He goes, please don't
tell me you didn't bring anything homefrom that place yesterday, Like he just
knew, he knew, and Iwas like nervous, laugh maybe, and
he was like, dang it,Allie, let me see it. And

(54:07):
so and I took him the ring. He goes, I mean, at
least it's a nice looking ring.Oh and so he and I told him
and I was like, it's sterlingsilver, em it, this is his
stone. He goes, okay,well, like perfectly fine with it.
And I was like, this isweird. This is not typically you,

(54:28):
but okay, oh wow. Yeah. And we we had ended up sending
a picture to Robbie the day thatwe had bought it, and even Robbie
was saying like a young female wasattached to it. It symbolized loved for
her. And again with the wholehow rings can manifest that energy, Well,

(54:52):
the whole time, I was likewhen I was wearing it, it
seemed like my mood, my energyfell different, like like happier more.
I was gonna say good different.Yeah. No, Well so if I
don't know if you most people knowthis, but there's a hack that you
can clean sterling silver and stuff likethat. You get a little bit of

(55:14):
vinegar like white vinegar and equal portionwater you can clean it that way.
I didn't know that. Yeah,So I ended up doing that with the
ring because I think the last timeyou saw it was like a little bit
it's a little dirty brown. Yeah, And so I'd put it in there

(55:35):
and I'd let it sit, wassomething was bugging me to take it out,
like and I just felt like thisnegative energy like and so eventually I
just because I was planning on leavingit in there overnight to let it clean,
well, I got up and Icleaned it off and then everything else
was fine. Like the second Itook it out of that, it was

(56:00):
fine. It didn't want to bein the cleaning solution, but I was
like, dude, but it's it'ssuch a nice ring, like why would
why would you want it to bedirty? Kind of like the guy that
was cleaning the hope diamonds. Yeah. Yeah, well, I mean afterwards,
like I was like, I'm justtrying to clean Like I said this

(56:22):
out loud, like I'm just tryingto clean it it. It is a
little dirty, it's not gonna harmthe ring. It's just gonna take some
of those brown spots out and cleanit up. And then I put it
back in and it was fine.But it was like as soon as I
said that, everything else went.Took it out the next morning, cleaned

(56:42):
it, put it back on mynightstand, and I mean it's been calm,
but like the whole time it's Ikept it in the guest bedroom,
but that whole room's energy, likedepending on when you go in there,
it feels either really happy, likethe best place to be, or super

(57:07):
like negative, but not in likea bad way, like almost as if
someone's in a bad mood. Okay, like that kind of negative energy.
Maybe well I remember, yes,I remember you talking about sending a picture
to Robbie, and Robbie saying thatit was associated with a young like a
teenager, a teenage girl, whichyou know teenagers have mood swings, so

(57:30):
you know, maybe maybe there's somekind of that some of that energy that's
in the ring from them. Yeah, I mean it's I mean, it's
a nice ring, and it's anice ring. I mean, I don't
know. And the designs on theedges of it are really interesting. I
didn't even know what had designs onthe edges. Yeah, it's the band

(57:52):
of the the outside band had littledesigns on it. Like was it just
like swirly cues or like squiggly likeyeah, I mean it's it's interesting.
That is interesting. But I mean, and this last time I put it
on, like I wore it forthe two or three times just because I

(58:15):
was like, I'm just gonna takeit with me. See what happens,
see how it affects my surroundings,how it affects me. And honestly,
I don't think anything too crazy.Since I was wearing it happened. Oh
that's good. So yeah, that'sgood. That's good. Yeah, it

(58:37):
was a pretty rain. I meanit's now that it's clean, it's probably
gorgeous. It's a lot better looking. It looked nice even dirty. Yeah.
But so the Bible, No,there was no demon monkeys that flew
out of it. The Bible actuallywas was very calm and well behaved I

(59:01):
brought it home, and I dida little research on just the type of
Bible it was and the cover pageand all this, and I traced it
back to personal Bibles in the nineteenthirties. So I'm thinking that this Bible

(59:22):
is from the nineteen thirties. Wow. Yeah, so it's pretty old.
And I set it up and Ihad my EMF meter on it or near
it, it was like right nextto it. I had a trail cam
on it, and I had mypendulum above it, kind of suspended,

(59:44):
and I just let that let everythingrun for a couple of days, and
it was really quiet. I didn'tsee anything. And then I put my
rempod next to it for a coupleof days there again really quiet, nothing
and nothing crazy about the Bible.And now it's just sitting in my closet.

(01:00:06):
I'm afraid to touch it because it'slike falling apart. But I found
some black feathers in it. Idon't know if I told you that.
Yes, I remember you mentioning itthrough I think it was text. Yeah.
We were texting Robbie about it too, and he didn't catch anything.
He didn't pick up anything crazy orevil or nasty about the Bible. He

(01:00:27):
said he just saw an impression ofold hands, like a person had had
it for many years. Yeah,So I'm like, okay, I'm okay
with that. I really don't wantto cursed Bible in my house. I
have a parapsychology research colleague of mine, doctor Brian Laith, and he was

(01:00:50):
talking to me on the phone theother night and he's like, Cindy,
seriously, what is rule number onein paranormal research? Don't bring home haunted
objects? He goes, why didyou bring home haunted Bible. I'm like,
what, It's fine, it's behaving, it's not doing anything. He's
like, you shouldn't do that,you should know better, and I'm like,

(01:01:13):
it's fine, it's okay. SoI don't know. So I actually
I didn't think about it until probablyfour or five days after the Cameron trading,
and I wanted to wait until after, like for this. I had
actually bought another ring from there manyyears ago, and it was the same

(01:01:39):
thing. Had just this random feelingabout it and wanted it and got it,
and unfortunately my mom is moving soand I left it at her house.
So where this ring is now?I don't really know. Oh no,
but I'm trying to find it,and I'm hoping I can find it
and see if there's anything with thatnow that it's been years down the road.

(01:02:04):
That would be really interesting. Yeah, and then to see if like
the energies between the two rings,if there are energies with it, how
they interact with each other. It'slike that old Wonder Twins cartoon, Wonder
Twin powers activate they touch the rings. Yeah, so so I'm interested,
but it's just find it. Yeah, you'll have to give us an update

(01:02:28):
on the next episode. Yes,definitely. Wow, will haunted objects anything
else you'd like to add on thehaunted objects? I don't think so.
I don't think so either. Soyeah, that pretty much wraps it up.
But if you want to continue theconversation with us, we are on

(01:02:52):
Facebook, we are on Instagram,and we'd love to hear your thoughts on
whether or not objects can be haunted. It sounds like there are some people
that believe that places and people canbe haunted but objects know, or if
you've had any experience with haunted objects, we would love to hear about that.

(01:03:13):
But I think other than that,we're ready to wrap it up.
Yeah, Okay, and so Iguess we're going to stop there and we
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