May 17, 2025 • 66 mins
Cindy and Alison sit down to talk all about how to become a paranormal investigator. Tune in to see how they got started as well as some of their recommendations on places, equipment, and so much more.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to Spooky, a Paranormal Podcast, joined doctor Cindy Little
and Alison Robles as they journey through the realms of
the supernatural, mysterious, and downright eerie, from ghostly apparitions to poltergeists,
from haunted houses to strange phenomena. Prepare to have your
senses heightened and your beliefs challenged. It's time to grab
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your headphones, dim the lights, embrace yourself for a journey
into the unknown.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
If you dare, okay, well, welcome to Spooky, a Paranormal Podcast.
I'm your host, Cindy.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Little, Liz Allison Less.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Yes, hello, Hello, it's it's been a couple of months,
but we're back. We had some kind of spooky technical
difficulties last time. We thought we were recording, and then
when all was said and done, it was mysteriously gone.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Disappear.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
It disappeared.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
I don't think the house ghosts liked it.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
I don't think so either. I'm thinking something's like nope, nope.
So we're going to try this again, and I'm sure
this time it's going to work out. Fingers crossed, Fingers crossed,
There any ghosts in the room behave please? So what
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we're gonna be talking about on this podcast. Is just
kind of a question that I've gotten and I know
Alison's probably gotten this as well, and that is, Oh,
that's really interesting. How do you get into paranormal investigating? What?
What does it take? What do you need to do?
What are the steps? So that's kind of what we're
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going to talk about today, But I did want to
open up up and say that a few weeks ago,
I went to the East Texas Para Con. I go
every year. It's fun. It's this really fun, quirky bunch
of people who get together and do presentations on all
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things paranormal, not just ghost stuff. They do things like
on Bigfoot and UFOs and you know, so it's pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Cool.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
It is cool. But then kind of the highlight of
the whole con is they have places that evening lined
up for us to do ghost hunting, and so they
line up let's see one two, I'm thinking this year, one, two, three, four, five.
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Oh yeah, that's cool. It is really cool. And the
coolest thing about it is is they've got supervisors at
each of the places, but they aren't these micromanagers where
it's like, oh, well, you can only do this or that,
or we're gonna go on a tour and you can
watch me do go. You know, it's none of that crap.
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It's okay, doors are open, I'm here, have fun. And
so that's that's where I was. And Georgina was there
as well. Oh my goodness, you're monthly this allergy season.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
She is.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
You don't see her face. Her face is like totally red.
So it's the ghost we told him to behave. But yeah,
so we went and went on the ghost hunt and
we went to a couple different places, and one place
was the annex behind this curiosity shop, and the owner,
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who was also the one that was doing the para con, said,
we've been having a lot of poor Alison, I'm.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Just over here coughing away while you're trying to tell
a story.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
That's okay, I have tic TACs. You want any ticktacs?
Speaker 3 (04:20):
I have a cough. Drop that's what makes it worse.
Oh god, drop in my mouth.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Oh wow, okay, Oh I'm sorry. Anyway, we'll make it through.
I'll wrap up my story here. But there's an annex
behind the Curiosity shop, which the con director was saying,
we've been having a lot of activity back there. And
so we went back there and they just like turned
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off the lights and it was Georgina and I and
a couple of other people, the and the owner and
and I mean it was it was spooky. I mean,
there was a real heavy vibe back there. And I
mean I'm not a real vibe person, but I could
definitely feel like, ooh, there's something, there's something here. And
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Georgina's sitting over there, a couple of seats over and
She's like, something just touched my hair. And then we
started hearing some kind of weird noises and so it
was it was pretty cool. And the other place we
went to was the Haunt. They have a haunted library.
This is in Mineola, Texas. And we were sitting there
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doing a communication session with the Negrophonic, and we were
sitting in front of a shelf full of books and
there were some books that were like on top, you know,
kind of displays, and we were asking the Negrophonic to,
you know, what are the books that you see? You know,
can you tell us the names of the books? What's
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what's one of the names on one of the books,
and like right in front of us, you know, what's
that name of the book right in front of us,
and we got the name Frank and they're like and
we're like, yeah, that's part of it. What's the other
part of it? And and so we were like, yeah,
it was a book on On and Frank, and so
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we were like yeah, yeah, So that was That was
really cool. But it's it's always a good time. Have
you had any spooky experiences since our last podcast.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Other than this coughing fit?
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
I haven't had which right before this, we were talking about
how little time I've had.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
I know, you're busy lady.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Yeah, I haven't had a whole lot of time to
go do spooky stuff. It was probably two weeks ago.
I was in San Antonio. It was me, my hear
my husband walking around downtown.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
See that's why I asked, because I knew you were
in San Antonio.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
So I was trying to convince my sister to walk
into the lobby of the Emily Morgan since we were there.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
She refused, but she wouldn't even go into the law.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
No, I wantn't even walk into the lobby.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Yeah, So it was it was interesting, come on, girly,
But yeah, that's about the spookiest thing that we had
going on.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Well, we'll have to and we say this every single time.
We all need to get together, I know, and do
some ghost hunting.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
I I'm having a ghost hunting withdrawals again because it's
been a while since I've gone. I think the last
thing I've actually done was pair Are you in Marlin?
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Oh my gosh, that was months ago.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
I think that was the last thing I've done.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah, that was like back in November or something. Yeah, okay, yeah,
we got.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
To do it. It's been some time.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
We got to do it. But anyways, it sounds like
your CoP's going away.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Yeah, I'm hoping.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
You're hoping now that I mentioned it. Now, No, it's
not going to come back. So I got kind of
a list of things here as I was thinking about
how I got into paranormal investigating. And I know you've
got your own story too, but just really one of
the main questions I get from people is about equipment.
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What basic equipment do you need to be an investigator?
Is there anything in particular? And I always tell people,
I say, honestly, if you just want a bare bones
investigation kit, if you have a smartphone, that's ninety percent
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of it. I mean, because you can take audio, video photos.
There are some apps, you know, like the Necrophonic I
just mentioned, it's kind of a spirit communication type app.
And a good EMF meter those electromagnetic field readers, and
you can pick them up cheaply on Amazon. I think
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I've mentioned this before, for like twenty bucks for a
decent K two meter, or I like my Trifield meter
because it measures fields from a wider perspective, not just
in front of you, but to the left and right
of you as well. And those are are really nice,
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but they're a little bit more pricey, not necessary, but honestly,
you can get started just with that.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Yeah, just with that, I would say, though. The only
recommendation is don't do an EMF on your phone. No,
that is I tell people that is. You have to
take everything with a grain of salt when it comes
to an EMF on your phone, solely because your phone
does give off EMF and it could give you a
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false spike because you could get a phone call in
and it spikes it on your phone. You could get
a text message, anything that comes to your phone regularly
could trigger any e MF spike. So I would that's
the only thing I would say, don't utilize your phone for,
but I would recommend. I would agree with you on
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everything else pretty much.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
It's good for Yeah. Well yeah, and that's the thing. Yeah,
and that's why I mentioned, you know, an EMF a
separate EMF reader. I mean, you've got EMF apps on
the phones, but I don't trust them for those reasons
that you're talking about. And I mean, the phones aren't
designed to read EMF fields. I mean, you got to
understand your phone at least a little bit. I'm not
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super techy, but I know that my phone is not
designed to be an EMF reader. It's hardware. It's just
not designed for that. And I mean, and you can
pick up, like I said, you can pick up EMF
readers for pretty cheap, and that's exactly what they're designed
to do, is to pick up EMF fields. So yeah,
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I oh my gosh, Yeah, super good point. And of
course then there's all the fun stuff that you can
add on to that, some of the things that I
like to have on hand, of course. Oh you know,
and yes, you can use your phone for this, but
I do recommend a good flashlight. Those are it's always helpful.
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Even if you're going into places that might have electricity
and lights on, there's usually kind of it's kind of
dim or dark, and so a good flashlight's great. A
temperature reader, an ambient temperature reader, I think that's important,
not one of those point and shoes ones, because basically,
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wherever that little laser dot is, whatever it's hitting, that's
what it's measuring. So you know, if it's hitting a
wall or a door or something. I mean, they couldn't
be helpful a little bit, but a lot of times
when people experience cold spots, it's in an area of
the room, and so you want something that reads ambient temperature.
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And there are some ghost hunting things out there now.
I think the mal meters they will measure that ambient temperature.
But you can get ambient temperature readers on Amazon for cheap.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
So yeah. And of course, motion detectors like the cat
balls those oh yeah, those are so and they're so
cheap and easy to travel with. And I'm trying to
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think of any other gear that I use if I'm
going to stay put for a little while. And I
know we've talked about this already. The trail cams I
love the trail cams because you can just set them
and go and they're really durable, and they're getting better
and better with audio and video and photographs. I took
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one to the Para Con last week or yeah, it's
been a couple of weeks now, and set it up
in our bed and Breakfast that Georgina and I were
staying in because it was rumored to be haunted, and
we heard some like weird noises in that bm B.
I have yet to go through my SD card on that,
but they were like it was like in the middle
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of the night, there would be this chiming from inside
the house and we woke up and we were like,
did you have your phone on? Did you have an
alarm that went on, well, you know, on your iPad
or phone or whatever. Neither one of us were like no, no, yeah,
we had no idea what was going on with that.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
I do have a kind of like interesting story because
I was wearing I think I was wearing my Marlin
shirt the old school ghost Hunter. I was wearing that
one day and someone was like, oh, do you have
any like cool evidence, And I was like, well, I don't,
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but my friend Cindy does I was like, oddly enough,
from where the shirt's from, it's Palace Theater and Marlon
look up Waco Ghost cousin it and then they're like why,
and I was like, just if you've seen the Adams Family,
you know who cousin it is. Just look it up.
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And they did. Five minutes later, they come back, They're like,
that had to be someone playing tricks. I was like, no,
that's an actual That guy was the only person in
the room. They did not know that until afterwards. And
it was funny because I like, I wasn't expecting them
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to go watch it that fast. No, but five minutes later.
So those trail cams are very helpful.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Yeah, that was caught on one of my trail cams.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
And I would that's one of those recommendations that I
would get, Like, I mean, I have some yes, but yeah,
definitely get because they are extremely helpful.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
They are I've gotten some great EVPs and and so yeah,
I was showing Georgina the one I had last week.
And I mean when I initially got the trail cams
with video and audio, because I always get the ones
with audio, and they were a little bit more expensive,
and my my initial ones were like one hundred and
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fifty bucks, and so the one I brought this last week.
I was telling Georgina about it and showing her, you know,
some of the video I caught and everything. She's like,
oh my gosh, that is so clear where you know
that that's got to be one of the higher priced ones.
And I'm like, no, this one's not a very high
priced one. And we looked it up on Amazon. It's
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like fifty seven bucks. And so the technology is getting better,
they're getting cheaper. Yeah, trail cams, oh, ily recommend great,
they are great. Yes, Cousin It, Yes, he's one of
my favorites. Yes, you want to know about Cousin it.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
I go to Waco Ghosts my YouTube page and yeah,
Cousin It is up there, the Cousin at video. Maybe
I'll repost it just for the heck of it.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
That is one of my favorites. And that's always my
go to im mine too, like when people asking well,
physical evidence, that's the go to one.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
It was weird and.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
It's crazy, Like having been up there, I was like,
there's no way, there's no way, like any explanation for
that to happen at all.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
No, Okay, now we're talking about it so much, I
will give her quick review of the cousin at video. Basically, yeah,
we were at Paranormal University and we were up in
these little rooms we call the apartments that are above
the theater. There are just two little cement rooms and
there's a card table up there, and I had my
trail camera camera on the card table and so it's
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taking videos of the room, and across from it is
one of our investigators, Jake, and he's just sitting there.
He's facing the camera so he can see the entire room,
and all of a sudden, this I can't describe it
any other way. It looks like an old lady's wig
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just like pops up in front of the camera and
like zoom's off screen really fast. And we asked Jake,
We're like, did you you know when you were there,
did you see that? It's like, no, I was the
only one in the room. There was nobody in that room,
because we thought initially maybe somebody was sitting on the
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floor in front of him and they just kind of
got up quickly, and you know, and he's like, no,
nobody was there. And we tried to re enact it
and try to get up off the floor quickly and
kind of you know, zoom our heads across, you know,
and it's like, no, we could not replicate it. And
it went really fast. Whatever it was popped up and
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like zoomed off to the right. So we have no idea,
no idea. So yeah, we nicknamed a cousin ed. It's
my favorite, mine too. It's a good one, that one.
And the audio I got on one of my trail
cameras that said where's my beer at Mineral Wells?
Speaker 3 (19:04):
I remember you talking about that.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Yeah, that was a good one too.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
That's cool.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
But anyway, okay, okay, I got to move along here.
So yeah, kids don't have to be fancy. But you know,
if you want to add stuff on I you know,
I've got an entire closet at home of ghost hunting
equipment and some I take out on some some cases
and some I don't. But the things that I always
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take on my phone, my EMF and if I've got
room a trail camera too every time.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
So yeah, and I know that this varies from investigator
to investigator because I know someone like Jeanette who's all
about the audio ends up taking recorders and just about
everything else. She does have a few tro cam I
think I don't.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Know that Janet does she I'm sure she does.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
I feel like she has to.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
I don't know. She's all about your right, She's like
the EVP lady.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
She has all the recorders that you could think of
different kinds just to see if it'll catch on one device. Yeah,
but she it's like what you would take is greatly
different from what she would take. And then it's even
if you add like Jeanette in the mix or not
Janette Georgina. You add Georgina to the mix. She's the
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I'm gonna take everything she does.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
She's got cases of stuff and it's awesome stuff.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Yeah, it is, it is.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Yeah, so what so what is your absolute go to
on the fly?
Speaker 3 (20:52):
I really like the capulls. I have to have at
least one audio device mmm one I'll probably end up taking,
like a troll cam. And then the cat bulls.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
The cat balls. Yeah, those cat balls are awesome.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
I mean, it's so hard not to love them. It's
they're so easy to like. Just like you said, they're
so easy to take, they're so hard to manipulate. They
are and I mean, it's just one of those things
that you gotta love them.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
You do. And I love that you bring up the
point of they're so hard to manipulate, because they really are.
By the way, we took some to the Para Con
and had them set up in the library, but they
didn't go off, which is too bad. But you have
to touch these things, like bat them around like a
cat hence catballs to get them to come on. It's
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it's not like some of those paranormal shows where they're
gonna kind of loosen the flash light head and then
just any little movement or breath or whatever sometimes just
on its own, it'll flicker. It's like, no, you have
to hit these things pretty hard to get them to
come on.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Yeah, and I know that we've tried it out several times,
and I mean even at the Emily Morgan my dad's
tried it. He's tried like messing with it and it
wouldn't come on. And so they're really hard to like
try to turn on.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
I mean, if you're gentle enough, you could even pick
it up a good like inch to inches oft it
whatever surface it's on. So if you're gentle enough, you
could pick it up without triggering it.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Yeah, so it's it takes a lot to Actually.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
I've done that before where it's like I've picked it
up and it hasn't come on, and I'm like, is
this thing working? And then I'll shake it out and
it was like, oh, okay, yeah it's it's working. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
It's one of those. That's one of my favorite kind
of equipment pieces.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
I love them. I love them. I'm a convert. Alison
came into our our Motley Little Crew with her bag
of cat balls, and now we love them and we
love Alison so fun.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Yeah, we're so much sure. At the beginning, we were,
we were a little dubious, but they were giving me
very very much side eye.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
And we did give you some judgmental side eye. Yes,
I apologize. I take it all back, and I'm like,
you just wait, she knew what she was doing.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
I was like, I might be young, but dumb I
am not.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
No, no, And you know, we're all old and set
in our ways, and so you know, it's nice having
somebody come in and shake things up.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
That's so much fun. Yeah, it's so much fun. I'm
waiting for the new piece of equipment to come in
just for me to you know, mess with you all
again and get more side eyes. There we go.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Yeah, I don't know, you probably won't get as many
side eyes this time because we're like, okay, she's she
came up with the cat balls this. This is probably
something that's going to be pretty legit. You're welcome, well, yes,
and thank you. Okay, moving on along here. Equipment's always
so fun to talk about. So another question is that
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I get is how do you start? And what I
tell people is I say, well, you start in public places.
I mean that way you can get used to your
First of all, trust passing is not an issue. Yeah,
please don't go on to private property without permission. States
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have some pretty strict laws about that. Texas has some
extremely strict laws. You can get fined thousands of dollars
and in some cases even serve jail time. So trustpassing
is a serious issue here. But yes, so start in
public places like here in Waco Oakwood Cemetery it's it's public.
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You can go there any well, not during the nighttime
they close it off, but during the day it's beautiful.
You can walk around. It's haunted Karen Park, haunted as heck,
and you know you can go there and do some investigating.
You know there It's it's kind of like I'm trying
to think, yeah, there's it's going going to public places.
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It's a really great way to get to know your
equipment and kind of like how you do you I
mean when it comes to investigating and and thinking about
how you're going to record evidence or you know, are
you a quieter person that likes to just kind of
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I just like to be here and kind of feel
the Beyonce or I'd rather be with someone so we
can bounce ideas off each other. By the way, never
go alone. I mean it's first of all, if something
weird does happen, you have a witness beside yourself. But
also there are safety issues and I know we've talked
about this as well, but there again, if you've got
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a couple people, there are some people that are like,
you know, I just want to go off and sit
by myself. I'm going to be right over here or there.
So yeah, you're kind of like learning how you do this,
but who knows, you might catch some crazy evidence as well.
So that is my advice to get started is to
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go to some publicly well known haunted spots.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Yeah, and if you're not entirely sure, you can always
look it up. Yeah, And it is helpful to look
up the history of the location. And if you're one
of those people that would rather wait to see if
your evidence wins up, then that's perfectly fine too. But
at some point you need to look up the history
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because you never know. Because it is the living. The
dead like to play jokes. They like to play lots
of jokes.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
I like to mess with you.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Yeah, you know, they could tell you the name their
name is Jack, when it's really George, and then Jack
has nothing shows up nowhere in a history and they're like,
ha ha, got you.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Yeah, yes, yes, you've experienced that personally over at the Palace.
Yeah yeah, we have a little little trickster over there.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Yeah, fake Casey's at some point I'm gonna hash it
out with fake Casey, but that's okay.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Yeah, but yes, that's such an awesome point. Yes, yes, yes,
looking up the history of the spot that you're investigating.
In fact, that's what Georgina's presentation was all about at
the at the Para Con was how to access public
records and historical sources, because that's going to help you
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try and get like what Alison just said, I mean,
that's going to help you triangulate your evidence. And oh,
I'm getting some names and things coming through the communication box,
and oh and some dates and or I'm seeing some
things on this tombstone that I'm getting a lot of
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EMF around. You know. Yeah, all of that stuff you
can look up through historical records and so, you know,
I remember doing that with the Mabel leg case at
at the La Salle shops where they had a lady
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in black that kept showing up. Oh yeah, yeah, I'll
tell it real quick. Yeah, this lady in black. It
was closed during COVID, so they were doing some repairs
and she was floating around near the restrooms and just
scaring the Bejesus out of the construction workers. And they're like,
we thought it was a customer, but the shop was closed,
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and she was dressed in a long black dress from
the early nineteen hundreds and had an upswept bun with
the button up shoes and the whole deal. And they're like, no,
that's not a that's not a person. I mean a
real person. And so the owners Katie and her folks
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had us come in and said, we've got a ghost
and she's we think from the early nineteen hundreds. So
and she hangs out around the bathroom, and so of
course our psychic Robbie, we all went in did an investigation,
and Robbie is like, coming up with this name, and
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he's like, I'm coming up with a stern presence, a
very protective presence, and the name Mabel or Melba. He goes,
I'm not sure, and we're like okay, but hey, that
gives us something to go on. We have a lady
dressed in the early nineteen hundreds, Mabel Melba. And so
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one of the antique booths was like right next to
the restroom and had some old photos in it, and
I went over there and sure enough there was a
picture of this lady and she was looked like from
the early nineteen hundreds, dressed in black. Upswept on the
whole deal, and I'm like, okay, this is really interesting.
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So I bought the picture and I put it on
one of the local history groups in Facebook, and I said,
does anybody know who this is? And the post blew up.
It blew up, and they're like, oh, my gosh, that's
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Mabel Leg. She used to teach at the Children's Home
and she was just like this beloved teacher. She was
here in Waco early nineteen hundreds. That's her Baylor graduation picture.
And then we met one of her former students and
we interviewed them, and he has this entire historical collection
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of her photographs, her poems that she wrote. Yeah, it
was crazy, and so we got to interview him and
a couple of other surviving students of hers that were
raised in the in the Children's Home here in Waco,
and so it was just this like historic rabbit trail
(31:57):
that we were able to find out all about Mabel Leg,
who was just this We had no idea, this beloved
teacher who was very stern, she didn't take crap off
of anybody, but she loved her kids and was a
really good teacher and was in Waco for a long time.
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And so we were able to figure out who this
person was and who most likely the ghost was. So
somebody from the family contacts me and says, hey were
Mabel's I think it was like her grandkids or something
in her great grands I can't remember. And they're like gosh,
would you be okay if we had that picture? We
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would love to have it. And I said, oh, my gosh,
of course, you know, yes, I will send it to
you right away. And then I checked. So I sent
the photo to them, and I checked back with Katie,
the owner of the Little Sall shops a few weeks later,
and I said, have you seen the ghost anymore? She goes, no,
I haven't. So as soon as the picture was gone
and back with the family, the lady in black disappeared.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
That's cool, it is.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
I love that story.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
That's really cool.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Yeah, but also say I use that story because you
never know. Once you start down those historic rabbit trails,
there can be all kinds of verification, all kinds.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
And I think if becoming a paranormal investigator you kind
of have to like history in a sense, you do,
because that's pretty much the base of everything we do.
It's history reading, knowing your facts, trying to filter out
fact from fiction. Oh yeah, and so it is a
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lot of note taking, It is a lot of reading.
And if you're if you want to be a paranormal
investigator and you're not much of a history buffer into that,
that's great, go get you, Georgina, it's very much into
that and your whole life is great.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Then at that point, yeah, you're just going to investigate.
And I mean, yes, Georgina is our history monster. She
loves historical research. She's extremely good at it, and it's invaluable. Yeah,
I know the history.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
I'm gonna be a little sad when you all retire.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
No, I don't know if we'll ever retire. We'll come
back and haunt you.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Oh, we'll be like I will just be talking to
you all's ghosts and'll be like, Georgina, good, look in
that book over there for me that I can't check out.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Please, And then you see the book open up and
like the pages start to shuffle, and then you get
this message through the dowsing rods or something in the
sparrot box.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Yes, thank you, it writes it down.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Yeah yeah, but yeah history so agree. Yeah. So how
did you get started in all all of this?
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Short answer you? So it started a podcast and somehow
that led to you. I don't even remember how we
found you. We just kind of found you.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
It was the Poulter Gals. Yes, it was me, which
is still on the air. Correct, Yes, plug for the
Poulter Gals another good podcast.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Yes, so me and Debbie we're doing it. Don't know
how I found you, how we found you, but we did.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
I mean I think I was on the Poulter Cows
with time.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Yeah, somehow we found you and then got you one.
I don't really know how that one worked out, but
it did it. And then you were having a class
for how to become an investigator, which I don't even
know if you do anymore, but I.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Haven't done one in a long time. I'd like to
start that back up again.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
But also how to become one. You take classes like that.
If you can find a local person that's doing it,
do it. And that's that's pretty much how I got
into it because you were doing it, and I was like, okay,
I remember.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
That, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I do need to do
more of those classes. But I'm glad you brought that
up because when I first got started too, I was like, eh,
I don't know anything about this. I took classes through
the Ryan Research Center online, and if y'all want to
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take some really great classes from the oldest parapsychology center
in the US. They've been around since the nineteen thirties.
Their paranormal investigating classes are excellent, and you know, they're
like a couple hundred bucks and they run from like
six to eight weeks. But they're taught by people that
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have been parapsychologists and in the field of paranormal investor
skating for years and years, and I mean they have
so much knowledge. So I was like you, I kind
of started out taking a class, a couple classes as
well because I felt better. It's like, you know, I
really don't know what I'm doing. I would really like
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to have some help here, and so I highly recommend that.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
I will say taking Travel Channel classes do not count.
And if you if you know, you know, but taking
those classes do not count.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
I love it classes with air quotes around it.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
Very much, heavy air quotes.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Big air quotes. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Yeah, And let me say I love Travel Channel and
I love unsaid classes. But they are educational. They are
I will say, there is one maybe two that is
how we do it. But the other sets of classes
not so much. Those are more entertainment.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Oh yeah, excellent, Yes, yes, that's a that's a very
excellent point. Yeah. I like those classes too. Whenever I'm
feeling a little depressed and I want a good laugh.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
I remember this one episode and the director was like
running down a dark hallway with this like weird light
thing that looked like a lightsaber, and he's like waving
it around and calling out demons and screaming, and then
he eventually trips and falls, and I mean I was like,
I was in tears.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
I was just like, it's so funny enough. I finished
the whole course, all twenty six courses.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Oh recently, oh my gosh or whatever.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
You know how many avermen you are on there? I
finished them all.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Only took me two years. Only two years of watching
about two episodes every day.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Oh my, I don't know that I have. I don't
think i'd have the stamina for that. It's like every
once in a while, I'm like, oh, let's go see
what they're up to.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
Yeah. So, if you ever wondered how long it would
take to learn.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
Quote unquote learn what not to do anything, that it takes.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
About two years, two episodes every day.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
There you go. There, Now you know some some very
important knowledge.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
There may have been a few naps taken in there.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Not gonna I oh my gosh. But yeah, for those
of you that are going huh, it's like, yes, we're
talking about those lovely TV shows that you see on
the Travel Channel, which are very entertaining, and you can
get some information about some of the tools that we use.
But don't ever use those as your source of education
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and on how to paranormally investigate. Please don't.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
I would take it as your source of how not
to do what we do. Yeah, yeah, and anything. They
do have bits and pieces that are educational, like they
do bring up the trifield and what it's purpose and stuff,
so stuff like that. Yes, they do bring up some
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of the newer technology.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
I do watch it for that, yeah, because they'll come
up with all kinds of weird new gizmos and gadgets.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
So some of it, yes, m But outside of that that,
like I would say maybe one percent, maybe one I
feel like there's few that.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
Yeah, they are decent, but I mean in general, just yeah,
take them with a grain of salt, because they're there
for entertainment. And I really got a sense of that
when we have a local independent filmmaker are Bradley Morris.
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Brad and I love Brad.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
Bad stories keep piling up.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
And he wanted to do a sizzle reel for a
possible paranormal TV show, and so he had us. All
this is three four years back, go to the Falls
Hotel in Marlin, and I got to see first hand
how these shows are filmed for TV. And I'm sure
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you know a heck of a lot more about this
than I do. But it's not We're just going to
hang back and watch you do your thing. No, it's like, wait, wait,
hold on, stop, the lighting's bad. We need you over here. Okay, wait,
hold on, we need to retake that. We couldn't hear you. Okay, wait,
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we need you positioned at the top of the stairs.
We just think it looks so much better that way.
That's what it is. You're filming a TV show, which
is way different than doing a paranormal investigation.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
And is there a way, just from my standpoint from
being in both, there is a way that they could
both coincide? Oh, do tell It's just it's very hard
to have them both exist because you have to almost
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have a small camera crew that's almost trying to predict.
So you don't pretty much need someone on the bottom
of the staircase. You need somebody at the top of
the staircase. You need somebody that's getting that weird angle
that's in that corner. So that right, there is three
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different camera people that you would need, so it's like
and then you would need a lighting source on each camera.
So it's like there is a way for them to coincide,
but the likelihood of that happening for like an actual
TV show is slim. Yeah. Yeah, because lighting and sound
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are everything for TV shows.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
Yeah, And that's just it. And that's what I learned
just through that one experience is it's like, no, if
this is going to be something that people want to watch,
all of these things are the most important thing.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
I would also recommend Jason Hawes, which Jenett has mentioned.
He does investigations and he posts them on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
MH.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
I would recommend those. Those are actually pretty good. It's
him and one other person. They go in and just
basically what they did for their show, like his class
on travel Channel.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
Yeah, he's a pretty reputable guy.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
So he his is pretty good and he posts now
on YouTube. So that's what I would recommend.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
Okay, cool, I'm gonna have to look that up.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
I like him and it's it's good, but again, you
can kind of see why a lot of investigations are
separated from TV shows because it's not as entertaining, is
what you would think it is. It's entertaining for those
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of us that do it, because that's where what we
find interesting, but as far as watching it, it's not
crazy entertaining.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
It's not. And yeah, that's the other thing. They can
dense all of the good stuff down into like one hour,
and you got to keep in mind that's hours and
hours sometimes days of film and data and and so
if you're kind of more into I want constant action,
kind of more jump scare type stuff, go to a
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commercial haunted house because you aren't going to get that
in a regular paranormal investigation. I tell people it's more
like fishing, you know, if you enjoy just sitting someplace
quietly and enjoying the atmosphere, I guess, and then occasionally
the fish are biting, and sometimes they're not, most of
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the time they're not, then you're gonna like ghost hunting.
But if you're like, oh, this is boring, there's nothing
going on within the first hour that I'm here, then yeah,
you're probably gonna want to find something else to do.
Speaker 3 (45:42):
Yeah, and if you're a little bit more sensitive to
that kind of stuff, it's going to affect you more.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
Good point, And you really.
Speaker 3 (45:53):
Don't know until somebody it's reputable that's credible as a
psychick media that can sense it will be like because
they can sense your energy, because your energy is going
to match with theirs, and they'll be like, oh no,
you're one. And that would typically explain why you don't
like places that are probably more haunted, because you feel
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the energy more and you get overstimulated and it gets
too much. So people that are typically more sensitive will
get more of the action or bites.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
That is so true. Yeah, I call y'all ghost magnets. Yeah,
you're more sensitive. I know Robbie, he's a psychic. He's
very psychic. And you draw I don't know if you.
I don't want to say that you're drawing more activity.
But it seems to be that when psychically sensitive people
(46:52):
are in the mix, more activity happens for everybody, not
just for them. Yeah, and that's something that I'm really
looking at on the parapsychology research side with my research guys.
It's kind of like, why is that? Why is it
when we bring psychically sensitive people or people that are
(47:15):
wired up differently mentally, that more stuff happens, what's going
on here, So we don't we haven't figured that out yet.
Speaker 3 (47:25):
Yeah, I mean it's kind of hard to pinpoint because again,
when you're trying to become into this, and I've seen
a lot of people that are more in tune to that,
they tend to run from it and they figure out
ways to basically subconsciously shut it all off to where
(47:47):
they're no longer in tune to that, and it's just
it's like, don't do that, please.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
It can be scary, it can be, but we need you. Yeah, Yeah,
and we're gonna. Yeah. I've been thinking about future episodes
and I definitely want to do an episode, maybe the
next one talking to Robbie and talking to you about
psychic sensitivities and how that all comes into play, because
that comes into play as well. Definitely.
Speaker 3 (48:15):
Yeah, And I think it's one of those it goes
into equipment, into how I become one because when you
look at Robbie, Robbie really doesn't take a lot of equipment.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
He doesn't if any. He takes his taser. He charges
the air with his taser, but that's about it. Yeah,
that's always fun.
Speaker 3 (48:37):
I think. I mean, it's just Robbie's Robbie, and it's
because he'd rather use what he knows how to his body,
his senses, and it's just one of those weird things.
And I feel like that's how to become an investigator
with that kind of skill set. You have to find
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somebody that you can trust. You really just investigator in
general and find people that you trust. But if you're sensitive,
find someone that is also sensitive that you can trust,
that you can learn from, and that you feel comfortable
that it's like, I'm gonna push you, but you once
you hit your limits, you need to.
Speaker 2 (49:22):
Like not yeah, you need a good mentor yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay,
that's decided. We gotta like talk about all this psychic
step in another episode coming up, because it's it's fascinating
y'all that are sensitive. Oh, y'all fascinate me. I'm not.
Speaker 3 (49:43):
It's kind of creepy because there have been times I'm
just like.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
Yeah, thanks, but yeah, so anyway, I love that psychic stuff. Anyway, Okay,
another question I get, and this we can probably wrap
it up with this discussion here is asking to investigate
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locations because Okay, I've gone out and I've done some
public investigations, but now I want to kind of get
to the good stuff, you know, and I want to
go into some of these privately owned places. Now, some people,
once they learn that you're a paranormal investigator, that they'll
ask you to come investigate their home. And I mean, yeah,
(50:31):
you can do that, and I have no plenty of
people I used to do that, I don't do it anymore.
It's just too difficult to collect good evidence in home situations.
A lot of times because there's a lot of people noise,
pet noise, and a lot of times I tell people,
(50:51):
you know, I don't tell this to their face usually,
but there's a lot of strife in these homes and
stress from natural things, not paranormal things. And I say,
you know, there's a good chance that I can come
into your home and stir things up and make it worse.
And I don't want to do that. I'd rather just
consult with you and help try to help you figure
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it out on your own, because I don't want to
add to the mix of a situation that's about to explode,
you know. But there's plenty of public places that if
you ask politely and you start networking, and that's the
(51:33):
thing is, it's probably you need to be a little
bit patient on that one. And because people are going
to be like, I don't know who you are, and
I'm not going to just open the doors to my
business and let you run around in here after hours
doing paranormal investigating, you know. And so of course what
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I've done in the past is I've done kind of
the cold calling where it's like, hey, here's my card. Yeah,
I felt kind of stupid in the beginning, you know,
it's kind of like you feel kind of silly. But
if you're polite about it and you're professional and you know,
you will get people to be like, oh, that's really interesting,
and then you can invite them, of course, to come along.
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It's kind of like, yes, of course, you know, I'm
not expecting you just to let me have free reign
of your business or your nonprofit or whatever. You can
be here with me definitely, so they can kind of
keep an eye on you. And then once you get
your foot in the door that way, they tend to
become more comfortable with you, and then they might give
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you leads to other places. Also, I have volunteered at
places like I can do investigations at the zoo, and
I know that the reason why I can do that
is because I volunteered there for five years. I can
also do investigations at our historic home because I built
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a relationship there through some classes I've taught. But I'm
also a member of the historic the Waco Historical Society.
So you know, there are ways in where you can,
you know, make these connections and allow people to get
to know you as a person and then it's like, Okay,
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you're not crazy and and you're legit and and so,
but that takes time.
Speaker 3 (53:34):
I would also recommend going to places that, like you're
mentioning the zoo and stuff that you can pay to
get into. Sure, and just take some equipment. I mean,
why not and just be respectful for those around you.
(53:57):
But I mean, like, you're paying to get into a zoo,
so why not to take some equipment as long as
you're not bothering the people around you. If you're getting
some like weird little side eyes, like maybe you should
go for a walk somewhere else and then wait for
it to calm down there. Yeah, and you know that
kind of thing, and it's like, oh, well, what's another
(54:19):
location that I could within the zoo that I can
go investigate, or like the Doctor Perhaps Museum here in Waco.
It's another place that's really haunted there now they claim
that they're haunted, and they're like, yeah, we're haunted. So
that's something you can go pay to get into. Take
goes hunting equipment. They know that a lot of investigators
(54:42):
are probably gonna go anyway, might as well do it.
Just take some equipment, investigate, and then if it's busy,
just you know, put everything up and pretend that you
really really weren't doing thating. My favorite thing that Jeannette
does is that she says that she'll talk on the
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phone while she's doing audio recording. So she'll like she'll
be like pretend like have her phone up and be.
Speaker 2 (55:10):
Like I still know that.
Speaker 3 (55:12):
Yeah, I've heard her say it before, like she'll just
pretend to talk on the phone and she's really doing
an EVP session.
Speaker 2 (55:20):
I love it. That's a good tip.
Speaker 3 (55:22):
So I mean stuff like that that you could just
have your phone or even have a headphone in and
then just you're doing an EVP session.
Speaker 2 (55:30):
That's brilliant.
Speaker 3 (55:32):
So I mean that's you know, if you need some
helpful hints.
Speaker 2 (55:36):
I love it. And yeah, you can just be a
little bit sneaky, but no, that's a really good point.
You can pay to get in and the Doctor Pepper
Museum is a great example. The zoo is a great example.
By the way, the Doctor Pepper Museum does have paranormal
tours on Saturday nights. I used to be one of
the paranormal tour guides and I did that for a
couple of years. But that also allowed me to get
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to know people as well. But yeah, if you're after
access to the places, I think that's a great way
to start kind of getting your foot in the door
and and maybe doing that and then if you catch
some evidence, you can go back to the people and say, hey,
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Doctor Pepper owners or hey zoo managers. I'm an I'm
an investigator and I was just walking around and I
got this really creepy voice or I got this ghostly photo,
or you know, I'm thinking you may be haunted here.
You know, maybe we can you know, set up an
investigation if you don't mind, you know, something like that.
Speaker 3 (56:43):
And it's it gets really cool and that's one of
the best ways to build a relationship with with the people.
And I know I mentioned this last time, but when
I was at Emily Morgan, my husband and I walking
or walking around, I was being the geek with the
(57:03):
little eMac reader out. I love it. And one of
the janitors was actually cleaning one of the bigger sweets
and she saw us, and thank god my husband speaks Spanish, yeah,
because she started speaking Spanish and I looked and then
he's He's like oh, and he explains to her all
the stuff. Oh, we're here, she's a paranormal investigator. She's
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just we're just walking around. I'm letting her do her thing.
And then she's like, well, you want to come and
check out this room?
Speaker 2 (57:31):
That happened so often and it's so cool.
Speaker 3 (57:35):
So I mean stuff like that. And it's like we
were paying to be there, we weren't bothering anyone, we
weren't trying to get in any other rooms. We're just
wandering the holes. And it happened to be that the janitor.
When she found out, she's like, oh, yeah, come on,
and then she started telling us some stories and my
husband's like obviously translating and at that point, I'm like
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not even investigating anywhere. I'm just like looking like a
little kid. I'm like, whoa, this is so cool. And
then I'm like, oh, yeah, I need to do this thing.
Speaker 2 (58:11):
Yeah, but that's great. Yeah, I mean staying in haunted hotels.
Janet does that a lot. It's BMPs. Yeah, and yeah
there again you are. You're on private property, haunted property,
and you're a paying guests, And yeah, you make such
a great point of as long as I'm not bothering
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anybody else, you know, who knows what kind of evidence
you're gonna get.
Speaker 3 (58:37):
Yeah, And it's like why not use that kind of
stuff to your advantage? And then like you never know,
because like that random employee can see him and be like,
oh what are you doing? You tell them like oh,
and then all of a sudden, they one thing leads
to another random access to a room that they just cleaned,
(58:57):
or a room that's very haunted that they know it
hasn't been used in a while. Yeah, or a meeting
room that like oh can you why are you? Can
you do this? I investigate this room m hm.
Speaker 2 (59:10):
And you're like yeah, totally, Yeah, that happens a lot,
and I love that when it happens. Yeah, because it's
kind of like, oh, this is so awesome because yeah,
you kind of get the behind the scenes. Yeah, and
you get some access to some really cool spots that way.
Speaker 3 (59:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (59:28):
But just be yeah, just doing your thing and being
willing to talk to people and tell them what you're doing,
and just being really respectful about it.
Speaker 3 (59:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (59:36):
Doors open. Yeah, it takes a little time. I mean,
don't expect to, oh, if you're watching those travel channel
shows just to be able to waltz into you know
some you know, Waverly Hills or something and and get
free free rain. No, it doesn't work that way.
Speaker 3 (59:56):
It takes a lot, and sadly for most of us,
it takes years and years of credibility. Yeah, and not
just like a giant stamp of hey we're with this
TV channel, let us in. It's Hey, I have all
these investigations. I would like to investigate it, and sometimes
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they tell you no, they do even after years and
years of hard work, they will tell you no. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
There have been places here in Waco. There's a couple
places that I'd still like to investigate that are like nope,
or just you know, I get ghosted you know, it's
kind of like they just don't even get back to me.
Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
It's I mean, sadly, it's one of those things. But
you know, you kind of you take it for what
it is and then you move on and then you
just hope that one day they're like, yeah, come on in.
Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
So to keep hoping, keep chipping away, and I mean
that's really all you can do. Yes, so being patient
and I mean, like you were just saying, your stories
are so great, when it comes to that, that patience
does eventually pay off. I mean it really does. And
pretty soon once you get a reputation of somebody that
(01:01:11):
can come in and do these things and be really
really professional about it, then it's snowballs. Then people start.
That's when people start contacting you and saying, hey, can
you come in, or hey, you know, and here's another
way to network. Hey will you be on my podcast?
Or hey will you you know, talk to the local
(01:01:32):
news or you know, there's all kinds of different ways,
reputable ways to get your name out there, but it
just takes a little time.
Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
I just speaking of local news. Which last little snippet
for me was when you and Georgina Lot this pass
Halloween oh yeah. And I got so excited and I
put shared in everything and then my dad texts me,
he's like, you're such a dork. I'm like, things dead,
We're all dorks. And so he just thought it was
(01:02:05):
so funny that it was just like all over there
sharing it, you know, and he's like, out of everything
you share, that's not your stuff, it's about ghosts, Like duh,
what am I gonna be doing?
Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
That was fun. I remember that it was about there again,
and it was about historic research and Tel Johnson, which
is a grave there at Oakwood, and we had some
kind of interesting EVP or not EVP e m F
hits and did some dowsing Rod sessions. I mean, I've
got the Baylor larryat that's interviewed me a couple times
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this year, which is really surprising because you know, Baylor
is the foundation of Baptists, you know, and and but
they're kind of like warming Yeah, a little eye roll there,
but they're kind of warming up to it. And and
I've gotten to talk to some people and do some
interviews and stuff with them as well.
Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
I don't know how they could be like that when
they have what Moody Library.
Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
Oh, the oh the haunt Yeah, Armstrong Browning is the
haunted Library. Yeah. I investigated that I left some equipment
overnight many years ago and got an EVP that just
it was like really whispery and it said in debt,
and I'm thinking it was it some poor student that
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couldn't pay their bill.
Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
Is half the people over I'm in debt? Said half
the college students?
Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
Yes, but but yeah, it's just travel light, know your equipment,
test it out in public places, and start networking. Start networking,
and I think to wrap things up, surrounding and and
(01:04:00):
you touched on this earlier, surrounding yourself with good people
and people that you trust, because there are unfortunately why
business owners are wary is there's a lot of just
idiots out there that are wanting to be paranormal investigators,
and they trespass and they just you know, go into
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places and they don't do investigating, and they'll just like
smoke dope or you know, or they're drunk or whatever,
and they'll destroy things. And so it's kind of like, no,
make sure that the people that you're investigating with are
serious about it and know their stuff and are respectful.
(01:04:48):
I mean, that's the big thing. You just really need
to be respectful.
Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
Yeah, and yeah, you just got to find people.
Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
Find the right people. That's important.
Speaker 3 (01:05:00):
Yeah. Yeah, you realize over time it's learning who's serious
about it and who's not.
Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
Yeah, it took me a little while, and now now
we have our own little little ghost gang.
Speaker 3 (01:05:14):
Yeah. I love it.
Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
I do too, And then every single person is just amazing.
So yeah, I don't I don't want to change anything.
Speaker 3 (01:05:25):
No, And it's great. It's one of those things. And
you want to have a group that you can sit
there and enjoy time with and like there, I don't
think I would. I wouldn't change anything. I want to
change anyone in our group. No, because if I run
into any of you in public, we're just like, oh okay,
and then we just end up having a good old
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time together. And the next thing, you know, it's like
it's been two hours and we're just like, oh bye,
we gotta go now.
Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
Yeah, we gotta go be normal people now. Yeah we're
gonna geek out. Okay, now we gotta be normal again.
Speaker 3 (01:06:01):
But it's fun.
Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
It is. Well on that That's everything I've got got.
Anything else, Nope, All right, Well thanks for listening to everybody,
We'll see you next time. Bye.
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Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
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Welcome to Spooky, a Paranormal Podcast, joined doctor Cindy Little
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into the unknown.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
If you dare, okay, well, welcome to Spooky, a Paranormal Podcast.
I'm your host, Cindy.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Little, Liz Allison Less.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Yes, hello, Hello, it's it's been a couple of months,
but we're back. We had some kind of spooky technical
difficulties last time. We thought we were recording, and then
when all was said and done, it was mysteriously gone.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Disappear.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
It disappeared.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
I don't think the house ghosts liked it.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
I don't think so either. I'm thinking something's like nope, nope.
So we're going to try this again, and I'm sure
this time it's going to work out. Fingers crossed, Fingers crossed,
There any ghosts in the room behave please? So what
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we're gonna be talking about on this podcast. Is just
kind of a question that I've gotten and I know
Alison's probably gotten this as well, and that is, Oh,
that's really interesting. How do you get into paranormal investigating? What?
What does it take? What do you need to do?
What are the steps? So that's kind of what we're
(01:56):
going to talk about today, But I did want to
open up up and say that a few weeks ago,
I went to the East Texas Para Con. I go
every year. It's fun. It's this really fun, quirky bunch
of people who get together and do presentations on all
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things paranormal, not just ghost stuff. They do things like
on Bigfoot and UFOs and you know, so it's pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Cool.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
It is cool. But then kind of the highlight of
the whole con is they have places that evening lined
up for us to do ghost hunting, and so they
line up let's see one two, I'm thinking this year, one, two, three, four, five.
(02:54):
Oh yeah, that's cool. It is really cool. And the
coolest thing about it is is they've got supervisors at
each of the places, but they aren't these micromanagers where
it's like, oh, well, you can only do this or that,
or we're gonna go on a tour and you can
watch me do go. You know, it's none of that crap.
(03:16):
It's okay, doors are open, I'm here, have fun. And
so that's that's where I was. And Georgina was there
as well. Oh my goodness, you're monthly this allergy season.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
She is.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
You don't see her face. Her face is like totally red.
So it's the ghost we told him to behave. But yeah,
so we went and went on the ghost hunt and
we went to a couple different places, and one place
was the annex behind this curiosity shop, and the owner,
(04:06):
who was also the one that was doing the para con, said,
we've been having a lot of poor Alison, I'm.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Just over here coughing away while you're trying to tell
a story.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
That's okay, I have tic TACs. You want any ticktacs?
Speaker 3 (04:20):
I have a cough. Drop that's what makes it worse.
Oh god, drop in my mouth.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Oh wow, okay, Oh I'm sorry. Anyway, we'll make it through.
I'll wrap up my story here. But there's an annex
behind the Curiosity shop, which the con director was saying,
we've been having a lot of activity back there. And
so we went back there and they just like turned
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off the lights and it was Georgina and I and
a couple of other people, the and the owner and
and I mean it was it was spooky. I mean,
there was a real heavy vibe back there. And I
mean I'm not a real vibe person, but I could
definitely feel like, ooh, there's something, there's something here. And
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Georgina's sitting over there, a couple of seats over and
She's like, something just touched my hair. And then we
started hearing some kind of weird noises and so it
was it was pretty cool. And the other place we
went to was the Haunt. They have a haunted library.
This is in Mineola, Texas. And we were sitting there
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doing a communication session with the Negrophonic, and we were
sitting in front of a shelf full of books and
there were some books that were like on top, you know,
kind of displays, and we were asking the Negrophonic to,
you know, what are the books that you see? You know,
can you tell us the names of the books? What's
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what's one of the names on one of the books,
and like right in front of us, you know, what's
that name of the book right in front of us,
and we got the name Frank and they're like and
we're like, yeah, that's part of it. What's the other
part of it? And and so we were like, yeah,
it was a book on On and Frank, and so
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we were like yeah, yeah, So that was That was
really cool. But it's it's always a good time. Have
you had any spooky experiences since our last podcast.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Other than this coughing fit?
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
I haven't had which right before this, we were talking about
how little time I've had.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
I know, you're busy lady.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Yeah, I haven't had a whole lot of time to
go do spooky stuff. It was probably two weeks ago.
I was in San Antonio. It was me, my hear
my husband walking around downtown.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
See that's why I asked, because I knew you were
in San Antonio.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
So I was trying to convince my sister to walk
into the lobby of the Emily Morgan since we were there.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
She refused, but she wouldn't even go into the law.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
No, I wantn't even walk into the lobby.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Yeah, So it was it was interesting, come on, girly,
But yeah, that's about the spookiest thing that we had
going on.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Well, we'll have to and we say this every single time.
We all need to get together, I know, and do
some ghost hunting.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
I I'm having a ghost hunting withdrawals again because it's
been a while since I've gone. I think the last
thing I've actually done was pair Are you in Marlin?
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Oh my gosh, that was months ago.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
I think that was the last thing I've done.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah, that was like back in November or something. Yeah, okay, yeah,
we got.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
To do it. It's been some time.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
We got to do it. But anyways, it sounds like
your CoP's going away.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Yeah, I'm hoping.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
You're hoping now that I mentioned it. Now, No, it's
not going to come back. So I got kind of
a list of things here as I was thinking about
how I got into paranormal investigating. And I know you've
got your own story too, but just really one of
the main questions I get from people is about equipment.
(08:33):
What basic equipment do you need to be an investigator?
Is there anything in particular? And I always tell people,
I say, honestly, if you just want a bare bones
investigation kit, if you have a smartphone, that's ninety percent
(08:54):
of it. I mean, because you can take audio, video photos.
There are some apps, you know, like the Necrophonic I
just mentioned, it's kind of a spirit communication type app.
And a good EMF meter those electromagnetic field readers, and
you can pick them up cheaply on Amazon. I think
(09:16):
I've mentioned this before, for like twenty bucks for a
decent K two meter, or I like my Trifield meter
because it measures fields from a wider perspective, not just
in front of you, but to the left and right
of you as well. And those are are really nice,
(09:36):
but they're a little bit more pricey, not necessary, but honestly,
you can get started just with that.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Yeah, just with that, I would say, though. The only
recommendation is don't do an EMF on your phone. No,
that is I tell people that is. You have to
take everything with a grain of salt when it comes
to an EMF on your phone, solely because your phone
does give off EMF and it could give you a
(10:09):
false spike because you could get a phone call in
and it spikes it on your phone. You could get
a text message, anything that comes to your phone regularly
could trigger any e MF spike. So I would that's
the only thing I would say, don't utilize your phone for,
but I would recommend. I would agree with you on
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everything else pretty much.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
It's good for Yeah. Well yeah, and that's the thing. Yeah,
and that's why I mentioned, you know, an EMF a
separate EMF reader. I mean, you've got EMF apps on
the phones, but I don't trust them for those reasons
that you're talking about. And I mean, the phones aren't
designed to read EMF fields. I mean, you got to
understand your phone at least a little bit. I'm not
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super techy, but I know that my phone is not
designed to be an EMF reader. It's hardware. It's just
not designed for that. And I mean, and you can
pick up, like I said, you can pick up EMF
readers for pretty cheap, and that's exactly what they're designed
to do, is to pick up EMF fields. So yeah,
(11:17):
I oh my gosh, Yeah, super good point. And of
course then there's all the fun stuff that you can
add on to that, some of the things that I
like to have on hand, of course. Oh you know,
and yes, you can use your phone for this, but
I do recommend a good flashlight. Those are it's always helpful.
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Even if you're going into places that might have electricity
and lights on, there's usually kind of it's kind of
dim or dark, and so a good flashlight's great. A
temperature reader, an ambient temperature reader, I think that's important,
not one of those point and shoes ones, because basically,
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wherever that little laser dot is, whatever it's hitting, that's
what it's measuring. So you know, if it's hitting a
wall or a door or something. I mean, they couldn't
be helpful a little bit, but a lot of times
when people experience cold spots, it's in an area of
the room, and so you want something that reads ambient temperature.
(12:25):
And there are some ghost hunting things out there now.
I think the mal meters they will measure that ambient temperature.
But you can get ambient temperature readers on Amazon for cheap.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
So yeah. And of course, motion detectors like the cat
balls those oh yeah, those are so and they're so
cheap and easy to travel with. And I'm trying to
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think of any other gear that I use if I'm
going to stay put for a little while. And I
know we've talked about this already. The trail cams I
love the trail cams because you can just set them
and go and they're really durable, and they're getting better
and better with audio and video and photographs. I took
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one to the Para Con last week or yeah, it's
been a couple of weeks now, and set it up
in our bed and Breakfast that Georgina and I were
staying in because it was rumored to be haunted, and
we heard some like weird noises in that bm B.
I have yet to go through my SD card on that,
but they were like it was like in the middle
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of the night, there would be this chiming from inside
the house and we woke up and we were like,
did you have your phone on? Did you have an
alarm that went on, well, you know, on your iPad
or phone or whatever. Neither one of us were like no, no, yeah,
we had no idea what was going on with that.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
I do have a kind of like interesting story because
I was wearing I think I was wearing my Marlin
shirt the old school ghost Hunter. I was wearing that
one day and someone was like, oh, do you have
any like cool evidence, And I was like, well, I don't,
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but my friend Cindy does I was like, oddly enough,
from where the shirt's from, it's Palace Theater and Marlon
look up Waco Ghost cousin it and then they're like why,
and I was like, just if you've seen the Adams Family,
you know who cousin it is. Just look it up.
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And they did. Five minutes later, they come back, They're like,
that had to be someone playing tricks. I was like, no,
that's an actual That guy was the only person in
the room. They did not know that until afterwards. And
it was funny because I like, I wasn't expecting them
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to go watch it that fast. No, but five minutes later.
So those trail cams are very helpful.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Yeah, that was caught on one of my trail cams.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
And I would that's one of those recommendations that I
would get, Like, I mean, I have some yes, but yeah,
definitely get because they are extremely helpful.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
They are I've gotten some great EVPs and and so yeah,
I was showing Georgina the one I had last week.
And I mean when I initially got the trail cams
with video and audio, because I always get the ones
with audio, and they were a little bit more expensive,
and my my initial ones were like one hundred and
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fifty bucks, and so the one I brought this last week.
I was telling Georgina about it and showing her, you know,
some of the video I caught and everything. She's like,
oh my gosh, that is so clear where you know
that that's got to be one of the higher priced ones.
And I'm like, no, this one's not a very high
priced one. And we looked it up on Amazon. It's
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like fifty seven bucks. And so the technology is getting better,
they're getting cheaper. Yeah, trail cams, oh, ily recommend great,
they are great. Yes, Cousin It, Yes, he's one of
my favorites. Yes, you want to know about Cousin it.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
I go to Waco Ghosts my YouTube page and yeah,
Cousin It is up there, the Cousin at video. Maybe
I'll repost it just for the heck of it.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
That is one of my favorites. And that's always my
go to im mine too, like when people asking well,
physical evidence, that's the go to one.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
It was weird and.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
It's crazy, Like having been up there, I was like,
there's no way, there's no way, like any explanation for
that to happen at all.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
No, Okay, now we're talking about it so much, I
will give her quick review of the cousin at video. Basically, yeah,
we were at Paranormal University and we were up in
these little rooms we call the apartments that are above
the theater. There are just two little cement rooms and
there's a card table up there, and I had my
trail camera camera on the card table and so it's
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taking videos of the room, and across from it is
one of our investigators, Jake, and he's just sitting there.
He's facing the camera so he can see the entire room,
and all of a sudden, this I can't describe it
any other way. It looks like an old lady's wig
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just like pops up in front of the camera and
like zoom's off screen really fast. And we asked Jake,
We're like, did you you know when you were there,
did you see that? It's like, no, I was the
only one in the room. There was nobody in that room,
because we thought initially maybe somebody was sitting on the
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floor in front of him and they just kind of
got up quickly, and you know, and he's like, no,
nobody was there. And we tried to re enact it
and try to get up off the floor quickly and
kind of you know, zoom our heads across, you know,
and it's like, no, we could not replicate it. And
it went really fast. Whatever it was popped up and
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like zoomed off to the right. So we have no idea,
no idea. So yeah, we nicknamed a cousin ed. It's
my favorite, mine too. It's a good one, that one.
And the audio I got on one of my trail
cameras that said where's my beer at Mineral Wells?
Speaker 3 (19:04):
I remember you talking about that.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Yeah, that was a good one too.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
That's cool.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
But anyway, okay, okay, I got to move along here.
So yeah, kids don't have to be fancy. But you know,
if you want to add stuff on I you know,
I've got an entire closet at home of ghost hunting
equipment and some I take out on some some cases
and some I don't. But the things that I always
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take on my phone, my EMF and if I've got
room a trail camera too every time.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
So yeah, and I know that this varies from investigator
to investigator because I know someone like Jeanette who's all
about the audio ends up taking recorders and just about
everything else. She does have a few tro cam I
think I don't.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Know that Janet does she I'm sure she does.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
I feel like she has to.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
I don't know. She's all about your right, She's like
the EVP lady.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
She has all the recorders that you could think of
different kinds just to see if it'll catch on one device. Yeah,
but she it's like what you would take is greatly
different from what she would take. And then it's even
if you add like Jeanette in the mix or not
Janette Georgina. You add Georgina to the mix. She's the
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I'm gonna take everything she does.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
She's got cases of stuff and it's awesome stuff.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Yeah, it is, it is.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Yeah, so what so what is your absolute go to
on the fly?
Speaker 3 (20:52):
I really like the capulls. I have to have at
least one audio device mmm one I'll probably end up taking,
like a troll cam. And then the cat bulls.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
The cat balls. Yeah, those cat balls are awesome.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
I mean, it's so hard not to love them. It's
they're so easy to like. Just like you said, they're
so easy to take, they're so hard to manipulate. They
are and I mean, it's just one of those things
that you gotta love them.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
You do. And I love that you bring up the
point of they're so hard to manipulate, because they really are.
By the way, we took some to the Para Con
and had them set up in the library, but they
didn't go off, which is too bad. But you have
to touch these things, like bat them around like a
cat hence catballs to get them to come on. It's
(21:55):
it's not like some of those paranormal shows where they're
gonna kind of loosen the flash light head and then
just any little movement or breath or whatever sometimes just
on its own, it'll flicker. It's like, no, you have
to hit these things pretty hard to get them to
come on.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Yeah, and I know that we've tried it out several times,
and I mean even at the Emily Morgan my dad's
tried it. He's tried like messing with it and it
wouldn't come on. And so they're really hard to like
try to turn on.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
I mean, if you're gentle enough, you could even pick
it up a good like inch to inches oft it
whatever surface it's on. So if you're gentle enough, you
could pick it up without triggering it.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Yeah, so it's it takes a lot to Actually.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
I've done that before where it's like I've picked it
up and it hasn't come on, and I'm like, is
this thing working? And then I'll shake it out and
it was like, oh, okay, yeah it's it's working. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
It's one of those. That's one of my favorite kind
of equipment pieces.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
I love them. I love them. I'm a convert. Alison
came into our our Motley Little Crew with her bag
of cat balls, and now we love them and we
love Alison so fun.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Yeah, we're so much sure. At the beginning, we were,
we were a little dubious, but they were giving me
very very much side eye.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
And we did give you some judgmental side eye. Yes,
I apologize. I take it all back, and I'm like,
you just wait, she knew what she was doing.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
I was like, I might be young, but dumb I
am not.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
No, no, And you know, we're all old and set
in our ways, and so you know, it's nice having
somebody come in and shake things up.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
That's so much fun. Yeah, it's so much fun. I'm
waiting for the new piece of equipment to come in
just for me to you know, mess with you all
again and get more side eyes. There we go.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Yeah, I don't know, you probably won't get as many
side eyes this time because we're like, okay, she's she
came up with the cat balls this. This is probably
something that's going to be pretty legit. You're welcome, well, yes,
and thank you. Okay, moving on along here. Equipment's always
so fun to talk about. So another question is that
(24:26):
I get is how do you start? And what I
tell people is I say, well, you start in public places.
I mean that way you can get used to your
First of all, trust passing is not an issue. Yeah,
please don't go on to private property without permission. States
(24:47):
have some pretty strict laws about that. Texas has some
extremely strict laws. You can get fined thousands of dollars
and in some cases even serve jail time. So trustpassing
is a serious issue here. But yes, so start in
public places like here in Waco Oakwood Cemetery it's it's public.
(25:10):
You can go there any well, not during the nighttime
they close it off, but during the day it's beautiful.
You can walk around. It's haunted Karen Park, haunted as heck,
and you know you can go there and do some investigating.
You know there It's it's kind of like I'm trying
to think, yeah, there's it's going going to public places.
(25:35):
It's a really great way to get to know your
equipment and kind of like how you do you I
mean when it comes to investigating and and thinking about
how you're going to record evidence or you know, are
you a quieter person that likes to just kind of
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I just like to be here and kind of feel
the Beyonce or I'd rather be with someone so we
can bounce ideas off each other. By the way, never
go alone. I mean it's first of all, if something
weird does happen, you have a witness beside yourself. But
also there are safety issues and I know we've talked
about this as well, but there again, if you've got
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a couple people, there are some people that are like,
you know, I just want to go off and sit
by myself. I'm going to be right over here or there.
So yeah, you're kind of like learning how you do this,
but who knows, you might catch some crazy evidence as well.
So that is my advice to get started is to
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go to some publicly well known haunted spots.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Yeah, and if you're not entirely sure, you can always
look it up. Yeah, And it is helpful to look
up the history of the location. And if you're one
of those people that would rather wait to see if
your evidence wins up, then that's perfectly fine too. But
at some point you need to look up the history
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because you never know. Because it is the living. The
dead like to play jokes. They like to play lots
of jokes.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
I like to mess with you.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Yeah, you know, they could tell you the name their
name is Jack, when it's really George, and then Jack
has nothing shows up nowhere in a history and they're like,
ha ha, got you.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Yeah, yes, yes, you've experienced that personally over at the Palace.
Yeah yeah, we have a little little trickster over there.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Yeah, fake Casey's at some point I'm gonna hash it
out with fake Casey, but that's okay.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Yeah, but yes, that's such an awesome point. Yes, yes, yes,
looking up the history of the spot that you're investigating.
In fact, that's what Georgina's presentation was all about at
the at the Para Con was how to access public
records and historical sources, because that's going to help you
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try and get like what Alison just said, I mean,
that's going to help you triangulate your evidence. And oh,
I'm getting some names and things coming through the communication box,
and oh and some dates and or I'm seeing some
things on this tombstone that I'm getting a lot of
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EMF around. You know. Yeah, all of that stuff you
can look up through historical records and so, you know,
I remember doing that with the Mabel leg case at
at the La Salle shops where they had a lady
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in black that kept showing up. Oh yeah, yeah, I'll
tell it real quick. Yeah, this lady in black. It
was closed during COVID, so they were doing some repairs
and she was floating around near the restrooms and just
scaring the Bejesus out of the construction workers. And they're like,
we thought it was a customer, but the shop was closed,
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and she was dressed in a long black dress from
the early nineteen hundreds and had an upswept bun with
the button up shoes and the whole deal. And they're like, no,
that's not a that's not a person. I mean a
real person. And so the owners Katie and her folks
(29:38):
had us come in and said, we've got a ghost
and she's we think from the early nineteen hundreds. So
and she hangs out around the bathroom, and so of
course our psychic Robbie, we all went in did an investigation,
and Robbie is like, coming up with this name, and
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he's like, I'm coming up with a stern presence, a
very protective presence, and the name Mabel or Melba. He goes,
I'm not sure, and we're like okay, but hey, that
gives us something to go on. We have a lady
dressed in the early nineteen hundreds, Mabel Melba. And so
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one of the antique booths was like right next to
the restroom and had some old photos in it, and
I went over there and sure enough there was a
picture of this lady and she was looked like from
the early nineteen hundreds, dressed in black. Upswept on the
whole deal, and I'm like, okay, this is really interesting.
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So I bought the picture and I put it on
one of the local history groups in Facebook, and I said,
does anybody know who this is? And the post blew up.
It blew up, and they're like, oh, my gosh, that's
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Mabel Leg. She used to teach at the Children's Home
and she was just like this beloved teacher. She was
here in Waco early nineteen hundreds. That's her Baylor graduation picture.
And then we met one of her former students and
we interviewed them, and he has this entire historical collection
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of her photographs, her poems that she wrote. Yeah, it
was crazy, and so we got to interview him and
a couple of other surviving students of hers that were
raised in the in the Children's Home here in Waco,
and so it was just this like historic rabbit trail
(31:57):
that we were able to find out all about Mabel Leg,
who was just this We had no idea, this beloved
teacher who was very stern, she didn't take crap off
of anybody, but she loved her kids and was a
really good teacher and was in Waco for a long time.
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And so we were able to figure out who this
person was and who most likely the ghost was. So
somebody from the family contacts me and says, hey were
Mabel's I think it was like her grandkids or something
in her great grands I can't remember. And they're like gosh,
would you be okay if we had that picture? We
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would love to have it. And I said, oh, my gosh,
of course, you know, yes, I will send it to
you right away. And then I checked. So I sent
the photo to them, and I checked back with Katie,
the owner of the Little Sall shops a few weeks later,
and I said, have you seen the ghost anymore? She goes, no,
I haven't. So as soon as the picture was gone
and back with the family, the lady in black disappeared.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
That's cool, it is.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
I love that story.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
That's really cool.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Yeah, but also say I use that story because you
never know. Once you start down those historic rabbit trails,
there can be all kinds of verification, all kinds.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
And I think if becoming a paranormal investigator you kind
of have to like history in a sense, you do,
because that's pretty much the base of everything we do.
It's history reading, knowing your facts, trying to filter out
fact from fiction. Oh yeah, and so it is a
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lot of note taking, It is a lot of reading.
And if you're if you want to be a paranormal
investigator and you're not much of a history buffer into that,
that's great, go get you, Georgina, it's very much into
that and your whole life is great.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Then at that point, yeah, you're just going to investigate.
And I mean, yes, Georgina is our history monster. She
loves historical research. She's extremely good at it, and it's invaluable. Yeah,
I know the history.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
I'm gonna be a little sad when you all retire.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
No, I don't know if we'll ever retire. We'll come
back and haunt you.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Oh, we'll be like I will just be talking to
you all's ghosts and'll be like, Georgina, good, look in
that book over there for me that I can't check out.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Please, And then you see the book open up and
like the pages start to shuffle, and then you get
this message through the dowsing rods or something in the
sparrot box.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Yes, thank you, it writes it down.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Yeah yeah, but yeah history so agree. Yeah. So how
did you get started in all all of this?
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Short answer you? So it started a podcast and somehow
that led to you. I don't even remember how we
found you. We just kind of found you.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
It was the Poulter Gals. Yes, it was me, which
is still on the air. Correct, Yes, plug for the
Poulter Gals another good podcast.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Yes, so me and Debbie we're doing it. Don't know
how I found you, how we found you, but we did.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
I mean I think I was on the Poulter Cows
with time.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Yeah, somehow we found you and then got you one.
I don't really know how that one worked out, but
it did it. And then you were having a class
for how to become an investigator, which I don't even
know if you do anymore, but I.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Haven't done one in a long time. I'd like to
start that back up again.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
But also how to become one. You take classes like that.
If you can find a local person that's doing it,
do it. And that's that's pretty much how I got
into it because you were doing it, and I was like, okay,
I remember.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
That, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I do need to do
more of those classes. But I'm glad you brought that
up because when I first got started too, I was like, eh,
I don't know anything about this. I took classes through
the Ryan Research Center online, and if y'all want to
(36:32):
take some really great classes from the oldest parapsychology center
in the US. They've been around since the nineteen thirties.
Their paranormal investigating classes are excellent, and you know, they're
like a couple hundred bucks and they run from like
six to eight weeks. But they're taught by people that
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have been parapsychologists and in the field of paranormal investor
skating for years and years, and I mean they have
so much knowledge. So I was like you, I kind
of started out taking a class, a couple classes as
well because I felt better. It's like, you know, I
really don't know what I'm doing. I would really like
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to have some help here, and so I highly recommend that.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
I will say taking Travel Channel classes do not count.
And if you if you know, you know, but taking
those classes do not count.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
I love it classes with air quotes around it.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
Very much, heavy air quotes.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Big air quotes. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Yeah, And let me say I love Travel Channel and
I love unsaid classes. But they are educational. They are
I will say, there is one maybe two that is
how we do it. But the other sets of classes
not so much. Those are more entertainment.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Oh yeah, excellent, Yes, yes, that's a that's a very
excellent point. Yeah. I like those classes too. Whenever I'm
feeling a little depressed and I want a good laugh.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
I remember this one episode and the director was like
running down a dark hallway with this like weird light
thing that looked like a lightsaber, and he's like waving
it around and calling out demons and screaming, and then
he eventually trips and falls, and I mean I was like,
I was in tears.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
I was just like, it's so funny enough. I finished
the whole course, all twenty six courses.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Oh recently, oh my gosh or whatever.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
You know how many avermen you are on there? I
finished them all.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Only took me two years. Only two years of watching
about two episodes every day.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Oh my, I don't know that I have. I don't
think i'd have the stamina for that. It's like every
once in a while, I'm like, oh, let's go see
what they're up to.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
Yeah. So, if you ever wondered how long it would
take to learn.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
Quote unquote learn what not to do anything, that it takes.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
About two years, two episodes every day.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
There you go. There, Now you know some some very
important knowledge.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
There may have been a few naps taken in there.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Not gonna I oh my gosh. But yeah, for those
of you that are going huh, it's like, yes, we're
talking about those lovely TV shows that you see on
the Travel Channel, which are very entertaining, and you can
get some information about some of the tools that we use.
But don't ever use those as your source of education
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and on how to paranormally investigate. Please don't.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
I would take it as your source of how not
to do what we do. Yeah, yeah, and anything. They
do have bits and pieces that are educational, like they
do bring up the trifield and what it's purpose and stuff,
so stuff like that. Yes, they do bring up some
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of the newer technology.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
I do watch it for that, yeah, because they'll come
up with all kinds of weird new gizmos and gadgets.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
So some of it, yes, m But outside of that that,
like I would say maybe one percent, maybe one I
feel like there's few that.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
Yeah, they are decent, but I mean in general, just yeah,
take them with a grain of salt, because they're there
for entertainment. And I really got a sense of that
when we have a local independent filmmaker are Bradley Morris.
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Brad and I love Brad.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
Bad stories keep piling up.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
And he wanted to do a sizzle reel for a
possible paranormal TV show, and so he had us. All
this is three four years back, go to the Falls
Hotel in Marlin, and I got to see first hand
how these shows are filmed for TV. And I'm sure
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you know a heck of a lot more about this
than I do. But it's not We're just going to
hang back and watch you do your thing. No, it's like, wait, wait,
hold on, stop, the lighting's bad. We need you over here. Okay, wait,
hold on, we need to retake that. We couldn't hear you. Okay, wait,
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we need you positioned at the top of the stairs.
We just think it looks so much better that way.
That's what it is. You're filming a TV show, which
is way different than doing a paranormal investigation.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
And is there a way, just from my standpoint from
being in both, there is a way that they could
both coincide? Oh, do tell It's just it's very hard
to have them both exist because you have to almost
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have a small camera crew that's almost trying to predict.
So you don't pretty much need someone on the bottom
of the staircase. You need somebody at the top of
the staircase. You need somebody that's getting that weird angle
that's in that corner. So that right, there is three
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different camera people that you would need, so it's like
and then you would need a lighting source on each camera.
So it's like there is a way for them to coincide,
but the likelihood of that happening for like an actual
TV show is slim. Yeah. Yeah, because lighting and sound
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are everything for TV shows.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
Yeah, And that's just it. And that's what I learned
just through that one experience is it's like, no, if
this is going to be something that people want to watch,
all of these things are the most important thing.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
I would also recommend Jason Hawes, which Jenett has mentioned.
He does investigations and he posts them on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
MH.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
I would recommend those. Those are actually pretty good. It's
him and one other person. They go in and just
basically what they did for their show, like his class
on travel Channel.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
Yeah, he's a pretty reputable guy.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
So he his is pretty good and he posts now
on YouTube. So that's what I would recommend.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
Okay, cool, I'm gonna have to look that up.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
I like him and it's it's good, but again, you
can kind of see why a lot of investigations are
separated from TV shows because it's not as entertaining, is
what you would think it is. It's entertaining for those
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of us that do it, because that's where what we
find interesting, but as far as watching it, it's not
crazy entertaining.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
It's not. And yeah, that's the other thing. They can
dense all of the good stuff down into like one hour,
and you got to keep in mind that's hours and
hours sometimes days of film and data and and so
if you're kind of more into I want constant action,
kind of more jump scare type stuff, go to a
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commercial haunted house because you aren't going to get that
in a regular paranormal investigation. I tell people it's more
like fishing, you know, if you enjoy just sitting someplace
quietly and enjoying the atmosphere, I guess, and then occasionally
the fish are biting, and sometimes they're not, most of
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the time they're not, then you're gonna like ghost hunting.
But if you're like, oh, this is boring, there's nothing
going on within the first hour that I'm here, then yeah,
you're probably gonna want to find something else to do.
Speaker 3 (45:42):
Yeah, and if you're a little bit more sensitive to
that kind of stuff, it's going to affect you more.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
Good point, And you really.
Speaker 3 (45:53):
Don't know until somebody it's reputable that's credible as a
psychick media that can sense it will be like because
they can sense your energy, because your energy is going
to match with theirs, and they'll be like, oh no,
you're one. And that would typically explain why you don't
like places that are probably more haunted, because you feel
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the energy more and you get overstimulated and it gets
too much. So people that are typically more sensitive will
get more of the action or bites.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
That is so true. Yeah, I call y'all ghost magnets. Yeah,
you're more sensitive. I know Robbie, he's a psychic. He's
very psychic. And you draw I don't know if you.
I don't want to say that you're drawing more activity.
But it seems to be that when psychically sensitive people
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are in the mix, more activity happens for everybody, not
just for them. Yeah, and that's something that I'm really
looking at on the parapsychology research side with my research guys.
It's kind of like, why is that? Why is it
when we bring psychically sensitive people or people that are
(47:15):
wired up differently mentally, that more stuff happens, what's going
on here, So we don't we haven't figured that out yet.
Speaker 3 (47:25):
Yeah, I mean it's kind of hard to pinpoint because again,
when you're trying to become into this, and I've seen
a lot of people that are more in tune to that,
they tend to run from it and they figure out
ways to basically subconsciously shut it all off to where
(47:47):
they're no longer in tune to that, and it's just
it's like, don't do that, please.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
It can be scary, it can be, but we need you. Yeah, Yeah,
and we're gonna. Yeah. I've been thinking about future episodes
and I definitely want to do an episode, maybe the
next one talking to Robbie and talking to you about
psychic sensitivities and how that all comes into play, because
that comes into play as well. Definitely.
Speaker 3 (48:15):
Yeah, And I think it's one of those it goes
into equipment, into how I become one because when you
look at Robbie, Robbie really doesn't take a lot of equipment.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
He doesn't if any. He takes his taser. He charges
the air with his taser, but that's about it. Yeah,
that's always fun.
Speaker 3 (48:37):
I think. I mean, it's just Robbie's Robbie, and it's
because he'd rather use what he knows how to his body,
his senses, and it's just one of those weird things.
And I feel like that's how to become an investigator
with that kind of skill set. You have to find
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somebody that you can trust. You really just investigator in
general and find people that you trust. But if you're sensitive,
find someone that is also sensitive that you can trust,
that you can learn from, and that you feel comfortable
that it's like, I'm gonna push you, but you once
you hit your limits, you need to.
Speaker 2 (49:22):
Like not yeah, you need a good mentor yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay,
that's decided. We gotta like talk about all this psychic
step in another episode coming up, because it's it's fascinating
y'all that are sensitive. Oh, y'all fascinate me. I'm not.
Speaker 3 (49:43):
It's kind of creepy because there have been times I'm
just like.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
Yeah, thanks, but yeah, so anyway, I love that psychic stuff. Anyway, Okay,
another question I get, and this we can probably wrap
it up with this discussion here is asking to investigate
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locations because Okay, I've gone out and I've done some
public investigations, but now I want to kind of get
to the good stuff, you know, and I want to
go into some of these privately owned places. Now, some people,
once they learn that you're a paranormal investigator, that they'll
ask you to come investigate their home. And I mean, yeah,
(50:31):
you can do that, and I have no plenty of
people I used to do that, I don't do it anymore.
It's just too difficult to collect good evidence in home situations.
A lot of times because there's a lot of people noise,
pet noise, and a lot of times I tell people,
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you know, I don't tell this to their face usually,
but there's a lot of strife in these homes and
stress from natural things, not paranormal things. And I say,
you know, there's a good chance that I can come
into your home and stir things up and make it worse.
And I don't want to do that. I'd rather just
consult with you and help try to help you figure
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it out on your own, because I don't want to
add to the mix of a situation that's about to explode,
you know. But there's plenty of public places that if
you ask politely and you start networking, and that's the
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thing is, it's probably you need to be a little
bit patient on that one. And because people are going
to be like, I don't know who you are, and
I'm not going to just open the doors to my
business and let you run around in here after hours
doing paranormal investigating, you know. And so of course what
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I've done in the past is I've done kind of
the cold calling where it's like, hey, here's my card. Yeah,
I felt kind of stupid in the beginning, you know,
it's kind of like you feel kind of silly. But
if you're polite about it and you're professional and you know,
you will get people to be like, oh, that's really interesting,
and then you can invite them, of course, to come along.
(52:18):
It's kind of like, yes, of course, you know, I'm
not expecting you just to let me have free reign
of your business or your nonprofit or whatever. You can
be here with me definitely, so they can kind of
keep an eye on you. And then once you get
your foot in the door that way, they tend to
become more comfortable with you, and then they might give
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you leads to other places. Also, I have volunteered at
places like I can do investigations at the zoo, and
I know that the reason why I can do that
is because I volunteered there for five years. I can
also do investigations at our historic home because I built
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a relationship there through some classes I've taught. But I'm
also a member of the historic the Waco Historical Society.
So you know, there are ways in where you can,
you know, make these connections and allow people to get
to know you as a person and then it's like, Okay,
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you're not crazy and and you're legit and and so,
but that takes time.
Speaker 3 (53:34):
I would also recommend going to places that, like you're
mentioning the zoo and stuff that you can pay to
get into. Sure, and just take some equipment. I mean,
why not and just be respectful for those around you.
(53:57):
But I mean, like, you're paying to get into a zoo,
so why not to take some equipment as long as
you're not bothering the people around you. If you're getting
some like weird little side eyes, like maybe you should
go for a walk somewhere else and then wait for
it to calm down there. Yeah, and you know that
kind of thing, and it's like, oh, well, what's another
(54:19):
location that I could within the zoo that I can
go investigate, or like the Doctor Perhaps Museum here in Waco.
It's another place that's really haunted there now they claim
that they're haunted, and they're like, yeah, we're haunted. So
that's something you can go pay to get into. Take
goes hunting equipment. They know that a lot of investigators
(54:42):
are probably gonna go anyway, might as well do it.
Just take some equipment, investigate, and then if it's busy,
just you know, put everything up and pretend that you
really really weren't doing thating. My favorite thing that Jeannette
does is that she says that she'll talk on the
(55:03):
phone while she's doing audio recording. So she'll like she'll
be like pretend like have her phone up and be.
Speaker 2 (55:10):
Like I still know that.
Speaker 3 (55:12):
Yeah, I've heard her say it before, like she'll just
pretend to talk on the phone and she's really doing
an EVP session.
Speaker 2 (55:20):
I love it. That's a good tip.
Speaker 3 (55:22):
So I mean stuff like that that you could just
have your phone or even have a headphone in and
then just you're doing an EVP session.
Speaker 2 (55:30):
That's brilliant.
Speaker 3 (55:32):
So I mean that's you know, if you need some
helpful hints.
Speaker 2 (55:36):
I love it. And yeah, you can just be a
little bit sneaky, but no, that's a really good point.
You can pay to get in and the Doctor Pepper
Museum is a great example. The zoo is a great example.
By the way, the Doctor Pepper Museum does have paranormal
tours on Saturday nights. I used to be one of
the paranormal tour guides and I did that for a
couple of years. But that also allowed me to get
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to know people as well. But yeah, if you're after
access to the places, I think that's a great way
to start kind of getting your foot in the door
and and maybe doing that and then if you catch
some evidence, you can go back to the people and say, hey,
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Doctor Pepper owners or hey zoo managers. I'm an I'm
an investigator and I was just walking around and I
got this really creepy voice or I got this ghostly photo,
or you know, I'm thinking you may be haunted here.
You know, maybe we can you know, set up an
investigation if you don't mind, you know, something like that.
Speaker 3 (56:43):
And it's it gets really cool and that's one of
the best ways to build a relationship with with the people.
And I know I mentioned this last time, but when
I was at Emily Morgan, my husband and I walking
or walking around, I was being the geek with the
(57:03):
little eMac reader out. I love it. And one of
the janitors was actually cleaning one of the bigger sweets
and she saw us, and thank god my husband speaks Spanish, yeah,
because she started speaking Spanish and I looked and then
he's He's like oh, and he explains to her all
the stuff. Oh, we're here, she's a paranormal investigator. She's
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just we're just walking around. I'm letting her do her thing.
And then she's like, well, you want to come and
check out this room?
Speaker 2 (57:31):
That happened so often and it's so cool.
Speaker 3 (57:35):
So I mean stuff like that. And it's like we
were paying to be there, we weren't bothering anyone, we
weren't trying to get in any other rooms. We're just
wandering the holes. And it happened to be that the janitor.
When she found out, she's like, oh, yeah, come on,
and then she started telling us some stories and my
husband's like obviously translating and at that point, I'm like
(58:00):
not even investigating anywhere. I'm just like looking like a
little kid. I'm like, whoa, this is so cool. And
then I'm like, oh, yeah, I need to do this thing.
Speaker 2 (58:11):
Yeah, but that's great. Yeah, I mean staying in haunted hotels.
Janet does that a lot. It's BMPs. Yeah, and yeah
there again you are. You're on private property, haunted property,
and you're a paying guests, And yeah, you make such
a great point of as long as I'm not bothering
(58:33):
anybody else, you know, who knows what kind of evidence
you're gonna get.
Speaker 3 (58:37):
Yeah, And it's like why not use that kind of
stuff to your advantage? And then like you never know,
because like that random employee can see him and be like,
oh what are you doing? You tell them like oh,
and then all of a sudden, they one thing leads
to another random access to a room that they just cleaned,
(58:57):
or a room that's very haunted that they know it
hasn't been used in a while. Yeah, or a meeting
room that like oh can you why are you? Can
you do this? I investigate this room m hm.
Speaker 2 (59:10):
And you're like yeah, totally, Yeah, that happens a lot,
and I love that when it happens. Yeah, because it's
kind of like, oh, this is so awesome because yeah,
you kind of get the behind the scenes. Yeah, and
you get some access to some really cool spots that way.
Speaker 3 (59:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (59:28):
But just be yeah, just doing your thing and being
willing to talk to people and tell them what you're doing,
and just being really respectful about it.
Speaker 3 (59:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (59:36):
Doors open. Yeah, it takes a little time. I mean,
don't expect to, oh, if you're watching those travel channel
shows just to be able to waltz into you know
some you know, Waverly Hills or something and and get
free free rain. No, it doesn't work that way.
Speaker 3 (59:56):
It takes a lot, and sadly for most of us,
it takes years and years of credibility. Yeah, and not
just like a giant stamp of hey we're with this
TV channel, let us in. It's Hey, I have all
these investigations. I would like to investigate it, and sometimes
(01:00:19):
they tell you no, they do even after years and
years of hard work, they will tell you no. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
There have been places here in Waco. There's a couple
places that I'd still like to investigate that are like nope,
or just you know, I get ghosted you know, it's
kind of like they just don't even get back to me.
Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
It's I mean, sadly, it's one of those things. But
you know, you kind of you take it for what
it is and then you move on and then you
just hope that one day they're like, yeah, come on in.
Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
So to keep hoping, keep chipping away, and I mean
that's really all you can do. Yes, so being patient
and I mean, like you were just saying, your stories
are so great, when it comes to that, that patience
does eventually pay off. I mean it really does. And
pretty soon once you get a reputation of somebody that
(01:01:11):
can come in and do these things and be really
really professional about it, then it's snowballs. Then people start.
That's when people start contacting you and saying, hey, can
you come in, or hey, you know, and here's another
way to network. Hey will you be on my podcast?
Or hey will you you know, talk to the local
(01:01:32):
news or you know, there's all kinds of different ways,
reputable ways to get your name out there, but it
just takes a little time.
Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
I just speaking of local news. Which last little snippet
for me was when you and Georgina Lot this pass
Halloween oh yeah. And I got so excited and I
put shared in everything and then my dad texts me,
he's like, you're such a dork. I'm like, things dead,
We're all dorks. And so he just thought it was
(01:02:05):
so funny that it was just like all over there
sharing it, you know, and he's like, out of everything
you share, that's not your stuff, it's about ghosts, Like duh,
what am I gonna be doing?
Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
That was fun. I remember that it was about there again,
and it was about historic research and Tel Johnson, which
is a grave there at Oakwood, and we had some
kind of interesting EVP or not EVP e m F
hits and did some dowsing Rod sessions. I mean, I've
got the Baylor larryat that's interviewed me a couple times
(01:02:43):
this year, which is really surprising because you know, Baylor
is the foundation of Baptists, you know, and and but
they're kind of like warming Yeah, a little eye roll there,
but they're kind of warming up to it. And and
I've gotten to talk to some people and do some
interviews and stuff with them as well.
Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
I don't know how they could be like that when
they have what Moody Library.
Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
Oh, the oh the haunt Yeah, Armstrong Browning is the
haunted Library. Yeah. I investigated that I left some equipment
overnight many years ago and got an EVP that just
it was like really whispery and it said in debt,
and I'm thinking it was it some poor student that
(01:03:30):
couldn't pay their bill.
Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
Is half the people over I'm in debt? Said half
the college students?
Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
Yes, but but yeah, it's just travel light, know your equipment,
test it out in public places, and start networking. Start networking,
and I think to wrap things up, surrounding and and
(01:04:00):
you touched on this earlier, surrounding yourself with good people
and people that you trust, because there are unfortunately why
business owners are wary is there's a lot of just
idiots out there that are wanting to be paranormal investigators,
and they trespass and they just you know, go into
(01:04:24):
places and they don't do investigating, and they'll just like
smoke dope or you know, or they're drunk or whatever,
and they'll destroy things. And so it's kind of like, no,
make sure that the people that you're investigating with are
serious about it and know their stuff and are respectful.
(01:04:48):
I mean, that's the big thing. You just really need
to be respectful.
Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
Yeah, and yeah, you just got to find people.
Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
Find the right people. That's important.
Speaker 3 (01:05:00):
Yeah. Yeah, you realize over time it's learning who's serious
about it and who's not.
Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
Yeah, it took me a little while, and now now
we have our own little little ghost gang.
Speaker 3 (01:05:14):
Yeah. I love it.
Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
I do too, And then every single person is just amazing.
So yeah, I don't I don't want to change anything.
Speaker 3 (01:05:25):
No, And it's great. It's one of those things. And
you want to have a group that you can sit
there and enjoy time with and like there, I don't
think I would. I wouldn't change anything. I want to
change anyone in our group. No, because if I run
into any of you in public, we're just like, oh okay,
and then we just end up having a good old
(01:05:47):
time together. And the next thing, you know, it's like
it's been two hours and we're just like, oh bye,
we gotta go now.
Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
Yeah, we gotta go be normal people now. Yeah we're
gonna geek out. Okay, now we gotta be normal again.
Speaker 3 (01:06:01):
But it's fun.
Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
It is. Well on that That's everything I've got got.
Anything else, Nope, All right, Well thanks for listening to everybody,
We'll see you next time. Bye.
Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
This has been Spooky a paranormal podcast. We hope today's
episode since shivers down your spine and sparked your curiosity
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Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
Never be afraid to explore the shadows.
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