September 16, 2021 • 29 mins
Australian Football is growing in popularity and there will be eight nations taking part in this year’s International Cup in Melbourne from August 5-19th. Hilary Perry will return as Vice-Captain for Team Canada and will be joined by ruck Patricia Jaworski. Both women had diverse athletic careers before taking up the sport and they share their experiences of how they became converted to the sport. We also learn some basic rules of the game and how it involves a mix of rugby and soccer. Both Hilary and Trish are regular team members of the Calgary Kookaburras.
Host: Chris Stafford
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Hello, and welcome to the program. Well, I'm delighted today to be
able to welcome too AFL players.This is the first time on WHISP Sports
that we have covered AFL, andno better place to start than with two
Canadian players who are getting ready totravel to Australia for a major competition.
And it's something that we're going tolearn more about later on in the program.
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But we're going to begin by introducingmy two guests this week, first
of all, Hilary Perry who's inCalgary, and Patricia Joeworski who's also in
Calgary. So, ladies, welcometo the program. Thanks for Helly,
thank you. I know that you'rebusy getting ready to leave very shortly for
Melbourne for this competition, which obviouslyis obviously very exciting for both of you.
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Now I want to start, ifI may, though, just by
hearing a little bit from each ofyou as to your involvement with sport and
how you got into AFL, becauseit's really a sport that's growing in popularity
here. So why didn't we startwith you Hillary, because I think you've
been in the sport a little bitlonger. Yeah, definitely, Um,
well I did start off my sportingcareer as a swimmer, so I was
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kind of my main background. Idid it all through junior high, in
elementary and in high school and alittle bit into university as well. I've
always been kind of pushed me todo every sport that school offer, get
volleyball, basketball, I did track, cross country, all that kind of
stuff. So it's kind of beingnaturally drawn to sport. When I stopped
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my swimming career, I was kindof looking for the next activity to do
and I just haven't have some friendsthat were Australian and Australians love their sports,
their national sports, so they werestarting up a club in Edmonton,
actually is where I got my start, and so they had the club started.
They asked if I wanted to comeout just for a run, and
I'd never had much to do withthe sport those outside, so I was
like, sure, I'll come aroundand I'll kick the ball around for a
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day. And basically after that firstday, I fell in love with the
sport and it's been my sport forboth the last seven years here. And
You've climbed onto the national team quiteseamlessly. By the sounds of things,
Hillary and soon got onto the team, soon got recognized as having natural talent
for it as well. So I'mgoing to talk about that and what it
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involves in the sport in a moment, but let's come to you then,
Trish. How did you get intoit because you have quite the sporting background
too, which is includes triathlon becauseyou've both done triumph. Yeah all right,
so thank you, Chris. So. I started playing a variety of
sports as a kid and growing up, and it was just something that we
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did. We did like little equestrianevents growing up, We played on our
high school soccer team, volleyball team. Any sport that I could get my
hands on, I joined. Andthen in a latter years of high school,
rugby was introduced at our high schooland I just took off with it
being a bit of a stronger build, and then focused on rugby for the
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next number of years where I focusand played at the college level, at
the university level, at the provinciallevel, and then a little bit development
national level, and then moved upto Fort McMurray, kept playing rugby and
then did a little stint with triathlonsand then moved down to Calgary and again
picked up with rugby. But atthat point I had played about fifteen years
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of rugby of start to finish,and I wanted to try something new.
But I definitely needed something where therewere transferable skills. So where rugby has
a lot of tackling and there's anoval shaped ball, that's where you see
some similarities with Australian rules football,but that's kind of where the similarities end.
But I was able to transfer allthose years of training and sport to
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this new sport. And some friendshad played in Montreal and that's how I
got connected with the Calgary club throughmutual acquaintances and I've been with the Calgary
Kukaburas for the last three years.Well, I can't let you sit by
the equestrian part of your career withoutasking about since that's my background, tell
us a little bit more about whatyou did riding, Okay, I have
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to be very honest that I wouldsay it was fairly a low level where
we went to a lot of localfairs, but we it was our summer
sport life. And when I saywe, I mean my older sister and
my younger sister. We grew upwith horses in our family. My mom
was a horse a holic, andso then of course as we were growing
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up there was always horses around,and with that came riding lessons, and
if you're going to take riding lessonsand get better at something, well of
course you're going to compete in itas well. So we did a lot
of local schooling shows where there wasground classes and then also jumping classes and
always the occasional Western class. Sowhenever I'm in Calgary and it's during Stampede,
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it brings me back to the Westernclasses that we participated in where we
had all our Western regalia as well. Well. You mentioned that about your
sisters, one of whom is verywell known to us here at sports,
and that is of course MJ.You call him Maria Sampson, the rugby
player. Were you too competitive?It's I'd been to ask that because you
both played rugby. Well. Sothe funny thing is, for if we
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think about it specifically our rugby careers, we rarely played together. It was
one summer in Fort McMurray where wewere on the same team, but other
than that we kind of overlapped atdifferent stages where Maria really focused on basketball
when I was in my rugby ascension, and then as I stepped away from
rugby and jumped into triathlons, that'swhere Maria really took up, took off
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on the international stage. So it'sbeen really neat to be able to sport
and encourage each other and not directlyplay east each other, because I don't
think either of us would want todo that. Well, Hilary, I'm
been to ask you then, ifyou had any siblings and sibling rivalry to
deal with with your athletic career atall, hard to to not overlap in
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our assass my whole last swimming careerand we also played basketball together, and
given the sport swimming and it isvery individual and we did seem to excel
in the same events, there wasa lot of times where we did compete
against each other. The neat thingI think about my relationship with my sister
is that there is that tendency forcoaches and teammates to kind of pit you
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against each other. But because ofthe sport of swimming, it is very
individualistic in a way as well,where you can focus on your own successes
and times. So we had apretty good balance as far as knowing that
we wanted to do as best wecould every single race, which meant that
might leave the other person behind,but at the same time them having success
was a very big thing that wewanted. So we just grew up in
a very co operative family where ofcourse we were competitive. We always wanted
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to win, but we didn't wantto do it at the expense of demeaning
someone so close to us, right, so we were pretty lucky in being
able to balance that. Unfortunate enough, like my sister excelled in swimming a
little bit more than I did,and I excelled in basketball and kind of
team sports a little bit more.So I kind of took off in basketball
a little bit farther than my sister, and then when I got into AFL,
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my I guess a grassion and strengthin that way kind of helped me
excel on that spoor, while shereally took off with running and trath ones
as well, so we kind offound her own niche. Now, both
of you said that there was somethingabout AFL that really appealed to you.
Trice, you mentioned transferable skills.Hillary, you obviously were natural in it
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from the start, since you havethe most experienced at it. Now,
Hillary, maybe we could start withyou what you think those skills are that
you need for the sport that itmight be different to rugby. Oh yeah,
well, probably one of my favoritethings about AFL is that it is
so dynamic and you can be anathlete from almost any sport and you can
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find your spot on the team.And me being like a phyzed teacher and
really kind of focus on physical literacyand having just involvement in as much activity
as possible. I love the sportbecause it is so accessible to any type
of students I come across, anytype of athlete I've come across. So
for me, with a little bitof my basketball background, that was helpful
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for like hand eye coordination, myfitness all from swimming was definitely very helpful
because I was able to run aroundthe field and that maybe instead of skill
in the beginning, I was justable to run and run and run and
that seemed fancy, but and andjust kind of that determination like in the
sport you have quite athletic and soif you're if you're slightly athletic, um,
you can find your spot in there. Like we have rugby girls that
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are just very good at that defensivegame because they can tackle and track a
ball. M we have that soccergirls that are very good at navigating themselves
around the field and kind of attackinga little bit more offensively. So we
do kind of find the funny partwhere you'll see certain players that excel in
a certain position on the field andsometimes we can kind of pinpoint what sport
background they come from and really likewe have dancers that have done really well
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on the team. Again, swimmingwas my sport, so I went from
flopping around in the water to tryto run around on the land and there's
still still a spot for me.But yeah, like that, that is
the big thing I do love aboutthe sport and I think is what's going
to help it grow and catch onis that really you can be anywhere from
any sport and you can find spotand it is so new that people don't
have to feel intimidated that people havebeen doing this career since they were ten
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and they're incredibly more experienced and you'retrying to step in and at new So
it's very very welcoming in that wayas well. Well, give us the
one oh one then, Hillary,if you would, for those that are
not familiar with this sport because Iknow a little bit, you know,
being a brit You know the Alsersplay this. You can call it football
footy. You know, we dohave a little difference of opinion as to
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what we call it what they callit, but footy football. AFL obviously
rules football whichever way you call it. The rules are slightly different, the
umpiring is slightly different. Give usat the one oh one if you would,
I'll try and do it as quicklyas possible. So AFL it starts
off like basketball. There's a centerbounce and you have two what they call
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rock players that do the tap out, and then from there, basically you're
trying to move the ball from oneend the field to the other and score
on some goal posts. So inAFL they have four upright goal posts to
center ones that are a little bittaller, and if you score in those
goal polls you get six points.And then there's two other ones on the
wide outside, so if you kindof miss your tararget, you are awarded
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one point just getting close enough tothat. The way you move the ball
down the field is can run withit. You can run fifteen steps.
After fifteen steps you must either passthe ball, dribble the ball in the
ground or yeah, or release itto a teammate in any way. You
can kick the ball, you canhand pass the ball, and I think
the hand passing is one of themore unique sports, or sorry, one
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of the more unique skills for USCanadians, because we don't really have a
sport where you punch the ball outof your hand and so in fact,
like you can't throw it because it'scalled throwing the balls. You have to
make a fist punch the ball atyour hands to hand pass it to a
teammate, or you can kick it. And if you do kick it and
your teammate catches it successfully, notackling is allowed to happen. So while
it is a contact sport, youcan, if your skills are up to
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part, kind of control the amountof contact that does happen with being able
to catch that ball in the airand then being awarded a free kick with
no contact. Other than that,it's kind of there's a little bit a
mix of handball in there. Youcan get some soccer because you can kick
it off the ground, but youare more so encouraged to pick it up
and run with it. And therunning is quite extensive, seeing as a
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field is about one hundred and eightymeters in length than about one hundred and
fifty meters in width, so it'squite a big field as well. Okay,
number of players and the time ofa game, right, so the
number of players, um, again, it can vary depending on how many
people show up, but on aregular game you'll get eighteen players decide,
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and they will do twenty minute quartersper game. And your position is what
I usually play a center, soI'm kind of in the middle. Um.
Tris and I get a lot oftime together because she's she's a ruck,
but I play kind of in thecenter where you follow the ball around.
And so those midfield players do getquite a bit of running because they're
kind of trying to follow the ballup and down the field. And that
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again I have to thank my swimmingbackground for giving the ability to run with
the balls as much as possible andtry and be where every play is at
all. Right, Well, Trishover to you now, rook. We
know about ruck because of course Mariahouse Rock on the podcast here, which
is all about rugby. What's thedifference between the being a ruck in AFL
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and in rugby, so it's actuallya ruck in rugby is a thing,
whereas a ruck in Australian rules footballis a position, and so it's very
similar to some basketball style positioning whenthe game first starts, or if the
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ball goes out of the field ofplay, or if there's some sort of
a restart where the ball is literallythrown up in the air and myself and
the ruck on the opposite team willboth try to get our hands on it
so we can tap it to ourplayer. And then so after all of
those stoppages, it's really neat becauseI get that opportunity to get my hand
on the ball at the start ofevery play, and if I can set
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my teammates up successfully specifically get theball to them as they're running forward,
then it really sets us in forwardmotion for the rest of the game.
And then when I'm not jumping uptrying to tap a ball, then I
get to play kind of similar toour midfielders, where it's trying to spoil
other our opponents from cashing the ball, trying to steal the ball, trying
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to pick it off the ground andhand pass it beautifully to one of my
teammates running forward and to just keepthat ball moving forward and keep possession for
our team. Can you pass itforward? You can pass it forward,
So that was a big learning whereyou can hand pass it, and I
think a hand passed to me.I think of I'm holding the ball in
one hand like a loaf of bread, and then I punched through with my
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other arm, and then you're ableto actually move the ball quite a bit
and you're able to pass it threehundred and sixty degrees around you. There's
no rules in terms of where you'reallowed to hand pass it. So can
a rook in AFL get into arook No, although when I first started
out, I kind of wanted tomake that happen. There would be no
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rocking exactly exactly. And you havebeen playing relatively recently, you're new to
the sport. Then, Trish,what was it that appealed to you mostly?
And it's it's markedly noticeable how quicklyyou got onto the national team.
So tell us why you what thoseskills were that you had that caught the
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attention of the national coach and gotyou onto the team as quickly as you
did. Okay, so first answer, like, what first, one of
the things that attracted me to thesport is I mentioned some teammates in Montreal
we're just having a ball with it. They hooked me into the Calgary team.
But one the kind of like mysecret wish was playing rugby for years
and years. There's designated kickers andI was never a designate aided kicker.
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There's probably two ladies that will beon a rugby team that will be kind
of a quote unquote is allowed tokick, whereas on Australian rules football,
everyone kicks and everyone gets to workon that skill. So it was such
a neat thing to be able todevelop the skill. But I've seen teammates
doing for years and years and yearsin another sport and finally I could be
part of that. So that's kindof like my secret attraction to Australian ruals
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football. And then in terms ofgetting noticed by national team coaches is I'm
very lucky genetically and that I'm I'mphysically. I'm a I'm a big person,
I'm tall, I've got long limbs, so I just lend myself really
well to that rock position because I'mable to get over top of opposition and
also because of my years playing contactsports. It's not something that I shy
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away from. I actually really enjoykind of contacting the other team, getting
them out of the way, tacklingand whatnot. So that was really a
skill that I was able to bringwith me and I think that's where really
helps me shine and our national teamcoach knows that our sport is developing and
really like a selects players that haveskills that are required right now, but
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also gives them the opportunity to developthose skills as they move through the sport.
Okay, good to ask you beingsuch a contact sport that it is.
I mean, I've played contact sports, I've played quicket. It is
not meant to be a contact sport. But I've managed to break my nose
in various other parts. Is abroken nose path for the course in AFL
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Trish not yet fingers crossed? Okay, So what limbs have you managed to
damage then in your short career.Just a few little little tweaks and bumps
here and there, so luckily,for the most part, just a couple
of bruises. Okay, So let'sgo to the big event that's coming up
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then, because we've seen that itis a growing sport in Canada and you
were very successful, went you Hillarywhen you went down to Australia before with
the team, and the International Cupis coming up again in just a couple
of weeks. You're leaving very shortly, so I'm glad you've we've found time
to catch up with you before youdo leave. Tell us about this competition
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and why it's so important, Hillary, Yeah, well, it is the
biggest tournament outside of Australia for Australianreals football, and the reason why it
is so important is because it isquite this level of competition, in this
level of talent, all in onearea, and so Australian Australia is trying
to promote their sport. They dohost this tournament and the investments are to
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come and compete, and so forus as highly competitive athletes that kind of
look for that next level, it'svery important to have this ability to compete
on a level where you're seeing newplayers. Um. Some players again I
we only see them every three yearswhen we go to this competition, and
some we have never seen before.And so you get to have that level
of competition that you're not always playingyourself and again it's good to see kind
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of where the sport is growing acrossthe world and what the level is at
in other countries. We'd work kindof as usually if we were going to
compete, it would be against theUnited States, and we do that almost
once every year, and so thisgives us a chance. Again, we're
going to see about seven other countriesthroughout this competition, so it kind of
gives us a chance to focus insee how the rest of the world is
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doing it and just how we compare. Let's talk about how you compare in
terms of resources, Trish, youknow, for the Canadian team, because
as we said, it's a growingsport. You did very well in this
competition, the best overseas country outsideof Australia in the International Cup last time
around. Is that given Canada theboost that it needs some funding. Perhaps
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what are the resources and the opportunitiesto get into the sport? And on
the national team, I would sayin terms of funding, there's there's a
lot of self funding that goes onand even our national team coach does a
lot of work in the background tosecure us support. But for the most
part, a lot of players areplaying out of pocket. To be able
to participate. But the flip sideof that is that there's a lot of
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familiar familial support and support from teammateshelping each other along the way, So
it's very kind of inclusive in thatIn that way, but again, we've
got to kind of ask our friendsand family to support us on our journeys,
and we've seen a lot of financialcontributions that have come from again those
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friends and families that help us followour dreams, which is fantastic. Hillary,
you're a physic teacher. Can yousee the sport getting into schools anytime
soon? We have definitely been trying. Yes. Again, I think getting
it officially into schools will be alittle bit trickier because it is a contact
sport and you're asking a school tobe okay with adding another one kind of
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on top of football and rugby.But I have already, like I've done
little school kind of courses and thatsort of stuff. Before I started teaching.
I would just go to different juniorizesin high schools and I would teach
the sport and I'd kind of takeover their phyzed day for the day and
just kind of get this sport intoit because again, I love it because
it hits so many aspects of whatphysical literacy is to myself in my profession.
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And you go into a phyzed classwhere sometimes you can have those gym
class heroes that are there and they'retop of a football team or a basketball
team or soccer, and then youget those that just love activity and so
it kind of evens the playing fieldout where you can have incredible athletes,
but their skill isn't there in thislevel. But then you have these other
athletes in the class or other studentsin the class that are just trying out
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sport for the first time, andit really kind of puts them on the
same learning curve. We've definitely inCalgary. We have the president of the
Men's club, Lachlan. He's donean incredible amount of work to try and
get it into schools. We runa youth program to try and get it
to the kids, because we dosee if we want this sport to survive
and succeed, we got to getit to our kids because they have to
see it at a young age andrealize that they love it the second they
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try it, and then and thenthat's how it's gonna grow for us.
Here. I think in Canada interms of the resources, who's going to
be traveling with you to Melbourne forthis International Cup? Give us an idea
of the number of players and thesupport structure around you. Hillary, who's
going to be on that team andhow long will you be there? Yeah,
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we'll have about thirty girls that aretraveling to Australia to play. Some
of them are already in Australia competingand just trying to get a leg up
when you get into the tournament.We have on our coaching staff probably about
at least six or six to eightcoaching staff. Again, half of them
are here in Canada that will travelwith us. And we're lucky again enough
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our national coach, with his connectionsand his passion, he's just been reaching
out to as many people in Australiaas you can and he's securing us a
couple of coaches in Australia already.And then on top of that, again,
I think out of our success andout of Canada's pass and their their
hard work and their hearts, alot of people have been really willing to
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jump on board and support us.We've had a lot of um like personal
trainers, therapists, massus and allthat who are just kind of willing to
get involved because they do see agroup of girls that are just kind of
given it. They're all they lovethe sport, really well natured, really
welcoming and just trying to trying todo what they can in the sport,
and they just have all kind ofjumped on track and they're they're helping us
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out. So we have quite agood support crew that will lead us and
welcome us when we get into Australia. And do you a vice captain before?
Have you been secured that position againthis time? Ah? Yeah?
Fortunately enough, it was very humbling. We had a team vote and I
was voted in to be a vicecaptain again. So I'm pretty pretty excited
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and humbled to see what I canhelp our team accomplish this year. So
tris she's the boss? Do youpay attention? I pay attention to Hillary.
What are you most looking forward toabout this trip? But to have
any opportunity to take the game toits home country, So I'll take that
one. I'm so excited to playat the highest level possible because I think
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it will be it'll be really revealing, like we've had provincial competitions within Canada,
but this is like that next stepup. But I feel it's going
to be quite a number of notcheshigher in terms of intensity and training and
competition, and I think it's justgoing to be fantastic to see how we
stack up against the best countries inthe world, and as well, hopefully
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we get to catch some games sowe can see live Australian rules football played
in Australia by Australians and we cankind of also absorb absorb more skills even
just by osmosis. And I understandyou will have some family support down there
too, Trish. Yeah, I'vejust been so blessed and lucky that my
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family is so supportive of all ofour sportive endeavors. And I return the
favorite as well when my family isfollowing their dreams. So I'll be able
to have my mom down to comeand watch my older sister and her three
kids, and then my sister Maria, who you mentioned previously, and it's
just so great to have fans onsite, and it'll just give me that
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extra little bit of For sure,Hillary, who's on your team, I
mean personally your family team? Well, I was actually fortunate enough. The
first time I did go to Australiato play in this International Cup, my
sister and I played together and sowe kind of were able to go through
that journey together, which was verynice. And I've a quite extensive family
and they all have their own littlefamilies growing on, so well, they
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won't be traveling with me in Australia. Last I see. They all kind
of checked in. They watched thelive feed of the championship game in twenty
fourteen, and I got to walkoff that field and go to my phone
and I had messages of play byplay as a game went on, of
them cheering on certain things and givingencouraging words, and so back at home,
it's definitely like, that's why,That's why I do it, right.
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You want to do it for thefun and forum for all those that
support you and U, And itis kind of nice to you to have
that too, to look forward toand know that when it does kind of
get down and dirty, you haveyour family there cheering you on. Okay,
finally, just sorry, Chris,if I go ahead, Trish,
Okay, if I just may addthat. As as for previous competitions where
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my family has been at. Ifthere's any teammates listening, we always adopt
the team, so we're happy todo so so that everyone feels they have
a little bit of family there.That's awesome. Okay, Vice Captain,
what's the chances for Canada? Then? Can you do as well or better
than last time? Um? I'mvery very confident the girls that I have
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playing with me. I mean,you have incredible athletes that are joining onto
the team. We have some vetsthat every year, every season, they're
just getting better and stronger. Andour rookies issue, i mean, Trish's
a testament to it. We're havingum higher, higher level of athletes,
high and higher level of expectation leadingonto the team every year. And I
do fully believe in stand behind myteam this year that we are the strongest
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we have ever been. I knowevery team is growing just as much as
we are, and they're trying tobe the better team that they were from
the year before. But I'm alwaysgoing to back my girls. I know
that we're strong. I know wecan do it. We've got the hearts,
we've got the drive, just amazing, amazing human beings coming together for
this tournament. And yeah, I'mgonna I'm gonna back our girls at the
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training and the effort and the timeand the money and the tears and sweat
and everything behind it is gonna helpus come out victorious no matter what.
Okay, that's the international couple becausefifth through the nineteenth thin Melbourne, these
two are going to be getting onthat playing family shortly. Here. I
want to know finally from you,Maria, what you're most looking forward to,
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Sorry, Trish, let's try,Trish. What you're most looking forward
to, Trish of this competition,you know, on a personal leveling in
terms of your own career goals andwhat those realistically are now that you've adopted
the sport. I want to there'sa few things I want to do.
I want to be able to contributeto the team jelling when we first arrive
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on site, because well, they'llbe women from across the country who have
not necessarily played together before. SoI'm really hoping that for those first five
days of our training camp that Ican really contribute to helping us gell and
then as the tournament starts and weprogress through it. We've kind of had
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this attitude of team first throughout thethroughout our training and knowing that that's going
to be continuing to leading us throughthe tournament. Is that I want to
put the team first. I obviouslywant to have the opportunity to play as
much as possible, but I wantto be in that position that helps the
team excel overall because I want theteam to do well. I want to
do well, but more than that, I want the team to do well.
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That's terrific spirit. Trish obviously avalued member of the team, no
doubt. And you're all going tohave fun whichever way you do it.
You're going to have fun, yourfamily there to support you, another go
for you as vice captain Hillary.So I want to issue the very very
best of alote both of you,thank you so much for coming on the
program, have a terrific trip,and will you come back and tell us
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how it all went when you gethome. Yes, we love Okay,
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Hello, and welcome to the program. Well, I'm delighted today to be
able to welcome too AFL players.This is the first time on WHISP Sports
that we have covered AFL, andno better place to start than with two
Canadian players who are getting ready totravel to Australia for a major competition.
And it's something that we're going tolearn more about later on in the program.
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But we're going to begin by introducingmy two guests this week, first
of all, Hilary Perry who's inCalgary, and Patricia Joeworski who's also in
Calgary. So, ladies, welcometo the program. Thanks for Helly,
thank you. I know that you'rebusy getting ready to leave very shortly for
Melbourne for this competition, which obviouslyis obviously very exciting for both of you.
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Now I want to start, ifI may, though, just by
hearing a little bit from each ofyou as to your involvement with sport and
how you got into AFL, becauseit's really a sport that's growing in popularity
here. So why didn't we startwith you Hillary, because I think you've
been in the sport a little bitlonger. Yeah, definitely, Um,
well I did start off my sportingcareer as a swimmer, so I was
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kind of my main background. Idid it all through junior high, in
elementary and in high school and alittle bit into university as well. I've
always been kind of pushed me todo every sport that school offer, get
volleyball, basketball, I did track, cross country, all that kind of
stuff. So it's kind of beingnaturally drawn to sport. When I stopped
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my swimming career, I was kindof looking for the next activity to do
and I just haven't have some friendsthat were Australian and Australians love their sports,
their national sports, so they werestarting up a club in Edmonton,
actually is where I got my start, and so they had the club started.
They asked if I wanted to comeout just for a run, and
I'd never had much to do withthe sport those outside, so I was
like, sure, I'll come aroundand I'll kick the ball around for a
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day. And basically after that firstday, I fell in love with the
sport and it's been my sport forboth the last seven years here. And
You've climbed onto the national team quiteseamlessly. By the sounds of things,
Hillary and soon got onto the team, soon got recognized as having natural talent
for it as well. So I'mgoing to talk about that and what it
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involves in the sport in a moment, but let's come to you then,
Trish. How did you get intoit because you have quite the sporting background
too, which is includes triathlon becauseyou've both done triumph. Yeah all right,
so thank you, Chris. So. I started playing a variety of
sports as a kid and growing up, and it was just something that we
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did. We did like little equestrianevents growing up, We played on our
high school soccer team, volleyball team. Any sport that I could get my
hands on, I joined. Andthen in a latter years of high school,
rugby was introduced at our high schooland I just took off with it
being a bit of a stronger build, and then focused on rugby for the
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next number of years where I focusand played at the college level, at
the university level, at the provinciallevel, and then a little bit development
national level, and then moved upto Fort McMurray, kept playing rugby and
then did a little stint with triathlonsand then moved down to Calgary and again
picked up with rugby. But atthat point I had played about fifteen years
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of rugby of start to finish,and I wanted to try something new.
But I definitely needed something where therewere transferable skills. So where rugby has
a lot of tackling and there's anoval shaped ball, that's where you see
some similarities with Australian rules football,but that's kind of where the similarities end.
But I was able to transfer allthose years of training and sport to
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this new sport. And some friendshad played in Montreal and that's how I
got connected with the Calgary club throughmutual acquaintances and I've been with the Calgary
Kukaburas for the last three years.Well, I can't let you sit by
the equestrian part of your career withoutasking about since that's my background, tell
us a little bit more about whatyou did riding, Okay, I have
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to be very honest that I wouldsay it was fairly a low level where
we went to a lot of localfairs, but we it was our summer
sport life. And when I saywe, I mean my older sister and
my younger sister. We grew upwith horses in our family. My mom
was a horse a holic, andso then of course as we were growing
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up there was always horses around,and with that came riding lessons, and
if you're going to take riding lessonsand get better at something, well of
course you're going to compete in itas well. So we did a lot
of local schooling shows where there wasground classes and then also jumping classes and
always the occasional Western class. Sowhenever I'm in Calgary and it's during Stampede,
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it brings me back to the Westernclasses that we participated in where we
had all our Western regalia as well. Well. You mentioned that about your
sisters, one of whom is verywell known to us here at sports,
and that is of course MJ.You call him Maria Sampson, the rugby
player. Were you too competitive?It's I'd been to ask that because you
both played rugby. Well. Sothe funny thing is, for if we
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think about it specifically our rugby careers, we rarely played together. It was
one summer in Fort McMurray where wewere on the same team, but other
than that we kind of overlapped atdifferent stages where Maria really focused on basketball
when I was in my rugby ascension, and then as I stepped away from
rugby and jumped into triathlons, that'swhere Maria really took up, took off
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on the international stage. So it'sbeen really neat to be able to sport
and encourage each other and not directlyplay east each other, because I don't
think either of us would want todo that. Well, Hilary, I'm
been to ask you then, ifyou had any siblings and sibling rivalry to
deal with with your athletic career atall, hard to to not overlap in
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our assass my whole last swimming careerand we also played basketball together, and
given the sport swimming and it isvery individual and we did seem to excel
in the same events, there wasa lot of times where we did compete
against each other. The neat thingI think about my relationship with my sister
is that there is that tendency forcoaches and teammates to kind of pit you
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against each other. But because ofthe sport of swimming, it is very
individualistic in a way as well,where you can focus on your own successes
and times. So we had apretty good balance as far as knowing that
we wanted to do as best wecould every single race, which meant that
might leave the other person behind,but at the same time them having success
was a very big thing that wewanted. So we just grew up in
a very co operative family where ofcourse we were competitive. We always wanted
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to win, but we didn't wantto do it at the expense of demeaning
someone so close to us, right, so we were pretty lucky in being
able to balance that. Unfortunate enough, like my sister excelled in swimming a
little bit more than I did,and I excelled in basketball and kind of
team sports a little bit more.So I kind of took off in basketball
a little bit farther than my sister, and then when I got into AFL,
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my I guess a grassion and strengthin that way kind of helped me
excel on that spoor, while shereally took off with running and trath ones
as well, so we kind offound her own niche. Now, both
of you said that there was somethingabout AFL that really appealed to you.
Trice, you mentioned transferable skills.Hillary, you obviously were natural in it
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from the start, since you havethe most experienced at it. Now,
Hillary, maybe we could start withyou what you think those skills are that
you need for the sport that itmight be different to rugby. Oh yeah,
well, probably one of my favoritethings about AFL is that it is
so dynamic and you can be anathlete from almost any sport and you can
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find your spot on the team.And me being like a phyzed teacher and
really kind of focus on physical literacyand having just involvement in as much activity
as possible. I love the sportbecause it is so accessible to any type
of students I come across, anytype of athlete I've come across. So
for me, with a little bitof my basketball background, that was helpful
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for like hand eye coordination, myfitness all from swimming was definitely very helpful
because I was able to run aroundthe field and that maybe instead of skill
in the beginning, I was justable to run and run and run and
that seemed fancy, but and andjust kind of that determination like in the
sport you have quite athletic and soif you're if you're slightly athletic, um,
you can find your spot in there. Like we have rugby girls that
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are just very good at that defensivegame because they can tackle and track a
ball. M we have that soccergirls that are very good at navigating themselves
around the field and kind of attackinga little bit more offensively. So we
do kind of find the funny partwhere you'll see certain players that excel in
a certain position on the field andsometimes we can kind of pinpoint what sport
background they come from and really likewe have dancers that have done really well
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on the team. Again, swimmingwas my sport, so I went from
flopping around in the water to tryto run around on the land and there's
still still a spot for me.But yeah, like that, that is
the big thing I do love aboutthe sport and I think is what's going
to help it grow and catch onis that really you can be anywhere from
any sport and you can find spotand it is so new that people don't
have to feel intimidated that people havebeen doing this career since they were ten
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and they're incredibly more experienced and you'retrying to step in and at new So
it's very very welcoming in that wayas well. Well, give us the
one oh one then, Hillary,if you would, for those that are
not familiar with this sport because Iknow a little bit, you know,
being a brit You know the Alsersplay this. You can call it football
footy. You know, we dohave a little difference of opinion as to
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what we call it what they callit, but footy football. AFL obviously
rules football whichever way you call it. The rules are slightly different, the
umpiring is slightly different. Give usat the one oh one if you would,
I'll try and do it as quicklyas possible. So AFL it starts
off like basketball. There's a centerbounce and you have two what they call
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rock players that do the tap out, and then from there, basically you're
trying to move the ball from oneend the field to the other and score
on some goal posts. So inAFL they have four upright goal posts to
center ones that are a little bittaller, and if you score in those
goal polls you get six points.And then there's two other ones on the
wide outside, so if you kindof miss your tararget, you are awarded
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one point just getting close enough tothat. The way you move the ball
down the field is can run withit. You can run fifteen steps.
After fifteen steps you must either passthe ball, dribble the ball in the
ground or yeah, or release itto a teammate in any way. You
can kick the ball, you canhand pass the ball, and I think
the hand passing is one of themore unique sports, or sorry, one
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of the more unique skills for USCanadians, because we don't really have a
sport where you punch the ball outof your hand and so in fact,
like you can't throw it because it'scalled throwing the balls. You have to
make a fist punch the ball atyour hands to hand pass it to a
teammate, or you can kick it. And if you do kick it and
your teammate catches it successfully, notackling is allowed to happen. So while
it is a contact sport, youcan, if your skills are up to
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part, kind of control the amountof contact that does happen with being able
to catch that ball in the airand then being awarded a free kick with
no contact. Other than that,it's kind of there's a little bit a
mix of handball in there. Youcan get some soccer because you can kick
it off the ground, but youare more so encouraged to pick it up
and run with it. And therunning is quite extensive, seeing as a
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field is about one hundred and eightymeters in length than about one hundred and
fifty meters in width, so it'squite a big field as well. Okay,
number of players and the time ofa game, right, so the
number of players, um, again, it can vary depending on how many
people show up, but on aregular game you'll get eighteen players decide,
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and they will do twenty minute quartersper game. And your position is what
I usually play a center, soI'm kind of in the middle. Um.
Tris and I get a lot oftime together because she's she's a ruck,
but I play kind of in thecenter where you follow the ball around.
And so those midfield players do getquite a bit of running because they're
kind of trying to follow the ballup and down the field. And that
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again I have to thank my swimmingbackground for giving the ability to run with
the balls as much as possible andtry and be where every play is at
all. Right, Well, Trishover to you now, rook. We
know about ruck because of course Mariahouse Rock on the podcast here, which
is all about rugby. What's thedifference between the being a ruck in AFL
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and in rugby, so it's actuallya ruck in rugby is a thing,
whereas a ruck in Australian rules footballis a position, and so it's very
similar to some basketball style positioning whenthe game first starts, or if the
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ball goes out of the field ofplay, or if there's some sort of
a restart where the ball is literallythrown up in the air and myself and
the ruck on the opposite team willboth try to get our hands on it
so we can tap it to ourplayer. And then so after all of
those stoppages, it's really neat becauseI get that opportunity to get my hand
on the ball at the start ofevery play, and if I can set
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my teammates up successfully specifically get theball to them as they're running forward,
then it really sets us in forwardmotion for the rest of the game.
And then when I'm not jumping uptrying to tap a ball, then I
get to play kind of similar toour midfielders, where it's trying to spoil
other our opponents from cashing the ball, trying to steal the ball, trying
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to pick it off the ground andhand pass it beautifully to one of my
teammates running forward and to just keepthat ball moving forward and keep possession for
our team. Can you pass itforward? You can pass it forward,
So that was a big learning whereyou can hand pass it, and I
think a hand passed to me.I think of I'm holding the ball in
one hand like a loaf of bread, and then I punched through with my
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other arm, and then you're ableto actually move the ball quite a bit
and you're able to pass it threehundred and sixty degrees around you. There's
no rules in terms of where you'reallowed to hand pass it. So can
a rook in AFL get into arook No, although when I first started
out, I kind of wanted tomake that happen. There would be no
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rocking exactly exactly. And you havebeen playing relatively recently, you're new to
the sport. Then, Trish,what was it that appealed to you mostly?
And it's it's markedly noticeable how quicklyyou got onto the national team.
So tell us why you what thoseskills were that you had that caught the
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attention of the national coach and gotyou onto the team as quickly as you
did. Okay, so first answer, like, what first, one of
the things that attracted me to thesport is I mentioned some teammates in Montreal
we're just having a ball with it. They hooked me into the Calgary team.
But one the kind of like mysecret wish was playing rugby for years
and years. There's designated kickers andI was never a designate aided kicker.
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There's probably two ladies that will beon a rugby team that will be kind
of a quote unquote is allowed tokick, whereas on Australian rules football,
everyone kicks and everyone gets to workon that skill. So it was such
a neat thing to be able todevelop the skill. But I've seen teammates
doing for years and years and yearsin another sport and finally I could be
part of that. So that's kindof like my secret attraction to Australian ruals
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football. And then in terms ofgetting noticed by national team coaches is I'm
very lucky genetically and that I'm I'mphysically. I'm a I'm a big person,
I'm tall, I've got long limbs, so I just lend myself really
well to that rock position because I'mable to get over top of opposition and
also because of my years playing contactsports. It's not something that I shy
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away from. I actually really enjoykind of contacting the other team, getting
them out of the way, tacklingand whatnot. So that was really a
skill that I was able to bringwith me and I think that's where really
helps me shine and our national teamcoach knows that our sport is developing and
really like a selects players that haveskills that are required right now, but
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also gives them the opportunity to developthose skills as they move through the sport.
Okay, good to ask you beingsuch a contact sport that it is.
I mean, I've played contact sports, I've played quicket. It is
not meant to be a contact sport. But I've managed to break my nose
in various other parts. Is abroken nose path for the course in AFL
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Trish not yet fingers crossed? Okay, So what limbs have you managed to
damage then in your short career.Just a few little little tweaks and bumps
here and there, so luckily,for the most part, just a couple
of bruises. Okay, So let'sgo to the big event that's coming up
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then, because we've seen that itis a growing sport in Canada and you
were very successful, went you Hillarywhen you went down to Australia before with
the team, and the International Cupis coming up again in just a couple
of weeks. You're leaving very shortly, so I'm glad you've we've found time
to catch up with you before youdo leave. Tell us about this competition
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and why it's so important, Hillary, Yeah, well, it is the
biggest tournament outside of Australia for Australianreals football, and the reason why it
is so important is because it isquite this level of competition, in this
level of talent, all in onearea, and so Australian Australia is trying
to promote their sport. They dohost this tournament and the investments are to
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come and compete, and so forus as highly competitive athletes that kind of
look for that next level, it'svery important to have this ability to compete
on a level where you're seeing newplayers. Um. Some players again I
we only see them every three yearswhen we go to this competition, and
some we have never seen before.And so you get to have that level
of competition that you're not always playingyourself and again it's good to see kind
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of where the sport is growing acrossthe world and what the level is at
in other countries. We'd work kindof as usually if we were going to
compete, it would be against theUnited States, and we do that almost
once every year, and so thisgives us a chance. Again, we're
going to see about seven other countriesthroughout this competition, so it kind of
gives us a chance to focus insee how the rest of the world is
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doing it and just how we compare. Let's talk about how you compare in
terms of resources, Trish, youknow, for the Canadian team, because
as we said, it's a growingsport. You did very well in this
competition, the best overseas country outsideof Australia in the International Cup last time
around. Is that given Canada theboost that it needs some funding. Perhaps
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what are the resources and the opportunitiesto get into the sport? And on
the national team, I would sayin terms of funding, there's there's a
lot of self funding that goes onand even our national team coach does a
lot of work in the background tosecure us support. But for the most
part, a lot of players areplaying out of pocket. To be able
to participate. But the flip sideof that is that there's a lot of
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familiar familial support and support from teammateshelping each other along the way, So
it's very kind of inclusive in thatIn that way, but again, we've
got to kind of ask our friendsand family to support us on our journeys,
and we've seen a lot of financialcontributions that have come from again those
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friends and families that help us followour dreams, which is fantastic. Hillary,
you're a physic teacher. Can yousee the sport getting into schools anytime
soon? We have definitely been trying. Yes. Again, I think getting
it officially into schools will be alittle bit trickier because it is a contact
sport and you're asking a school tobe okay with adding another one kind of
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on top of football and rugby.But I have already, like I've done
little school kind of courses and thatsort of stuff. Before I started teaching.
I would just go to different juniorizesin high schools and I would teach
the sport and I'd kind of takeover their phyzed day for the day and
just kind of get this sport intoit because again, I love it because
it hits so many aspects of whatphysical literacy is to myself in my profession.
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And you go into a phyzed classwhere sometimes you can have those gym
class heroes that are there and they'retop of a football team or a basketball
team or soccer, and then youget those that just love activity and so
it kind of evens the playing fieldout where you can have incredible athletes,
but their skill isn't there in thislevel. But then you have these other
athletes in the class or other studentsin the class that are just trying out
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sport for the first time, andit really kind of puts them on the
same learning curve. We've definitely inCalgary. We have the president of the
Men's club, Lachlan. He's donean incredible amount of work to try and
get it into schools. We runa youth program to try and get it
to the kids, because we dosee if we want this sport to survive
and succeed, we got to getit to our kids because they have to
see it at a young age andrealize that they love it the second they
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try it, and then and thenthat's how it's gonna grow for us.
Here. I think in Canada interms of the resources, who's going to
be traveling with you to Melbourne forthis International Cup? Give us an idea
of the number of players and thesupport structure around you. Hillary, who's
going to be on that team andhow long will you be there? Yeah,
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we'll have about thirty girls that aretraveling to Australia to play. Some
of them are already in Australia competingand just trying to get a leg up
when you get into the tournament.We have on our coaching staff probably about
at least six or six to eightcoaching staff. Again, half of them
are here in Canada that will travelwith us. And we're lucky again enough
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our national coach, with his connectionsand his passion, he's just been reaching
out to as many people in Australiaas you can and he's securing us a
couple of coaches in Australia already.And then on top of that, again,
I think out of our success andout of Canada's pass and their their
hard work and their hearts, alot of people have been really willing to
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jump on board and support us.We've had a lot of um like personal
trainers, therapists, massus and allthat who are just kind of willing to
get involved because they do see agroup of girls that are just kind of
given it. They're all they lovethe sport, really well natured, really
welcoming and just trying to trying todo what they can in the sport,
and they just have all kind ofjumped on track and they're they're helping us
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out. So we have quite agood support crew that will lead us and
welcome us when we get into Australia. And do you a vice captain before?
Have you been secured that position againthis time? Ah? Yeah?
Fortunately enough, it was very humbling. We had a team vote and I
was voted in to be a vicecaptain again. So I'm pretty pretty excited
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and humbled to see what I canhelp our team accomplish this year. So
tris she's the boss? Do youpay attention? I pay attention to Hillary.
What are you most looking forward toabout this trip? But to have
any opportunity to take the game toits home country, So I'll take that
one. I'm so excited to playat the highest level possible because I think
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it will be it'll be really revealing, like we've had provincial competitions within Canada,
but this is like that next stepup. But I feel it's going
to be quite a number of notcheshigher in terms of intensity and training and
competition, and I think it's justgoing to be fantastic to see how we
stack up against the best countries inthe world, and as well, hopefully
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we get to catch some games sowe can see live Australian rules football played
in Australia by Australians and we cankind of also absorb absorb more skills even
just by osmosis. And I understandyou will have some family support down there
too, Trish. Yeah, I'vejust been so blessed and lucky that my
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family is so supportive of all ofour sportive endeavors. And I return the
favorite as well when my family isfollowing their dreams. So I'll be able
to have my mom down to comeand watch my older sister and her three
kids, and then my sister Maria, who you mentioned previously, and it's
just so great to have fans onsite, and it'll just give me that
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extra little bit of For sure,Hillary, who's on your team, I
mean personally your family team? Well, I was actually fortunate enough. The
first time I did go to Australiato play in this International Cup, my
sister and I played together and sowe kind of were able to go through
that journey together, which was verynice. And I've a quite extensive family
and they all have their own littlefamilies growing on, so well, they
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won't be traveling with me in Australia. Last I see. They all kind
of checked in. They watched thelive feed of the championship game in twenty
fourteen, and I got to walkoff that field and go to my phone
and I had messages of play byplay as a game went on, of
them cheering on certain things and givingencouraging words, and so back at home,
it's definitely like, that's why,That's why I do it, right.
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You want to do it for thefun and forum for all those that
support you and U, And itis kind of nice to you to have
that too, to look forward toand know that when it does kind of
get down and dirty, you haveyour family there cheering you on. Okay,
finally, just sorry, Chris,if I go ahead, Trish,
Okay, if I just may addthat. As as for previous competitions where
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my family has been at. Ifthere's any teammates listening, we always adopt
the team, so we're happy todo so so that everyone feels they have
a little bit of family there.That's awesome. Okay, Vice Captain,
what's the chances for Canada? Then? Can you do as well or better
than last time? Um? I'mvery very confident the girls that I have
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playing with me. I mean,you have incredible athletes that are joining onto
the team. We have some vetsthat every year, every season, they're
just getting better and stronger. Andour rookies issue, i mean, Trish's
a testament to it. We're havingum higher, higher level of athletes,
high and higher level of expectation leadingonto the team every year. And I
do fully believe in stand behind myteam this year that we are the strongest
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we have ever been. I knowevery team is growing just as much as
we are, and they're trying tobe the better team that they were from
the year before. But I'm alwaysgoing to back my girls. I know
that we're strong. I know wecan do it. We've got the hearts,
we've got the drive, just amazing, amazing human beings coming together for
this tournament. And yeah, I'mgonna I'm gonna back our girls at the
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training and the effort and the timeand the money and the tears and sweat
and everything behind it is gonna helpus come out victorious no matter what.
Okay, that's the international couple becausefifth through the nineteenth thin Melbourne, these
two are going to be getting onthat playing family shortly. Here. I
want to know finally from you,Maria, what you're most looking forward to,
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Sorry, Trish, let's try,Trish. What you're most looking forward
to, Trish of this competition,you know, on a personal leveling in
terms of your own career goals andwhat those realistically are now that you've adopted
the sport. I want to there'sa few things I want to do.
I want to be able to contributeto the team jelling when we first arrive
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on site, because well, they'llbe women from across the country who have
not necessarily played together before. SoI'm really hoping that for those first five
days of our training camp that Ican really contribute to helping us gell and
then as the tournament starts and weprogress through it. We've kind of had
(27:36):
this attitude of team first throughout thethroughout our training and knowing that that's going
to be continuing to leading us throughthe tournament. Is that I want to
put the team first. I obviouslywant to have the opportunity to play as
much as possible, but I wantto be in that position that helps the
team excel overall because I want theteam to do well. I want to
do well, but more than that, I want the team to do well.
(27:59):
That's terrific spirit. Trish obviously avalued member of the team, no
doubt. And you're all going tohave fun whichever way you do it.
You're going to have fun, yourfamily there to support you, another go
for you as vice captain Hillary.So I want to issue the very very
best of alote both of you,thank you so much for coming on the
program, have a terrific trip,and will you come back and tell us
(28:21):
how it all went when you gethome. Yes, we love Okay,
awesome? All right, Well,we will share the live on social media.
As always, we want to thankyou again both of you very much
indeed for coming on the program andthe very best of luck. Thank you
so much. Thank you, andyou can find links to Trish and Hillary's
social media on the show notes atwhispsports dot com and you can also follow
(28:44):
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