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Speaker 3 (01:50):
Welcome to the Terra Darcy. Have you heard of a
British drug mule who complained about food and SriLankan prison
being too spicy? She wasn't there air hostess as well? No, yes,
so she flew and she was She flew in from
Thailand to Sri Lanka and she got caught smuggling one
point two million pounds in kush. Have you heard of kush? Yes, Yeah,

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it's that kind of synthetic, kind of version of cannabis.
I think it's quite in that part of the world anyway.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
Think it's more like Middle Middle East, something like in
Morocco and stuff like her.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
Yeah, I think it's quite a big there. But yeah,
it's quite a bit of quite a bit of cush,
you know what. I mean, so she was arrested at
the airport basically like yo, honey, that's not part of
your job description. And she just kept on complaining of
fucking winging about shit ever since. So she's in Colombo
and she said that she has no human rights there.
There are no bed, there's no blankets, and where you

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sleep is like a long corridor with a lot of
other women, and she's literally sleeping on concrete floor. There's
a ceiling fan but it doesn't work, and there's a
TV but also barely works. So that's, you know, against
her human rights.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
She has Anyway, she has no.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
Clothes to change in, so she's could just got the
clothes that she's in. And she has not allowed her
medication for ADHD and yes, it's just like.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
Your standard prison stuff.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
Then yeah, I mean, you know, she's also only allowed
two to three hours outside in the sun a day,
sometimes longer but not really. And she's not eaten in
two days because the food is just too spicy for her.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
I mean, I'm surprised that the food actually is spicy.
I'm surprised that prison food has meant to be in it.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
Yeah, just plain rice, you know, I mean, but apparently no,
it's a spicy for her. She also claims that she
didn't smuggle it. She she never she doesn't know how
the drugs ended up in her bag, but she kind
of has an idea who placed them there, like who
framed her basically.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
But you know, but I did hear that the drug
rules inflink are quite straight. Yeah, I mean I think
there's like actually like the sentences and stuff related to
certain drugs and things like that, so it's quite heavy.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
Yeah, I don't know how long she was sentenced to,
but yeah, it seems like she's, you know, she's gonna
be there. I don't even know if she's actually been
sentenced already, if it's just a jail for now, right,
But we'll see. But it's like the same situation that
literally happened the other day with that girl eighteen year
old that ended up in a prison in Georgia. Yeah,

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fourteen kilos of drugs. I mean, what think?

Speaker 1 (04:28):
Honestly, what's wrong with people? Man? I don't know if
they're just silly, or if they if they're just taking
that risk, or if they just so like they so
silly they didn't realize how risky is. I don't know,
what which way is most stupid? Though? Yeah, but I.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
Think I think a lot of people from I think
a lot of people from certain countries perhaps do it
out of desparation. These fools though.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
Right, Yeah, I've heard stories about some mothers especially, they
do it, and you kind of feel bad for them,
so you're like, okay, risking it or just yeah, but
then again you're you're still taking a big risk. But
then their situation can be totally different. Like you said,
it could be for food. Sometimes it's just saying their
children's lives, and that's I guess, a completely crazy.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
But then you've got some sympathy. But exactly this is
just this is just great. Literally, So yeah, I guess
our advice is don't try to smuggle fourteen killers of drugs.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
And also, if you get arrested in another country, you're
just gonna have to put up with the rules.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
You've got to smaggle smuggle somewhere better, you.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
Know, you know, like there's so many bricks that get
arrested in other foreign countries.

Speaker 3 (05:30):
We had a whole shirt.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
Literally, I think that's exactly what it's called. And they
and they complain and what my human rights and Britage,
like it doesn't matter when you're in that country, Like
there's some prisons are nasty, they showed us in that program.
And some prisons are disgusting and dangerous and there's nothing
you can do about it.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
It's it's you know what it is. So unfortunately that's
a risk. It's like, so good luck, you know, bear
that in mind next time you accept a nice little
vase or whatever from nice man at the airport. Fucking
I don't know Colombo or Thailand or wherever. Right, So
for today's main story, we are going to Kenya, Kenya.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
Is that our first time there?

Speaker 3 (06:12):
Being I think it is our first time? Yeah, yeah,
something something different. Saint Casito School in American Cunt County,
Kenya was founded in nineteen sixty eight and began admitting
girls in nineteen seventy five, becoming our co educational boarding school.

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So it was four children between fourteen and eighteen year olds,
and it was five hundred and fifty one students in
total in nineteen ninety one, two hundred and seventy one
girls and three hundred and six boys, so quite a
big boarding school. Yes, most kids there were children of
local farmers who wanted to provide them with education, even
though a lot of them really struggled to pay their

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three hundred and sixty dollars fees plus the cost of
books and uniforms. You know, it as up, doesn't it. It
might not sound like a lot, but it's straight by
to like you provide that. But you know, this school
was actually considered quite good in comparison to some others nearby.
It was one and a half mile from a good
kind of paved road, had electricity and phones, and the

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hospital was nearby. It was still, however, hugely underfunded and
probably mismanaged. At that time, Kenya actually prided itself on
being one of the better countries in Africa who actually
provided quite good education. But you know what it's like,
you know, especially kind of raw areas. It's still like
that to this day in most places, isn't it so? Yeah.

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In nineteen ninety one, a new principle, James Leiboni, took
over the school, and many of his new policies and
changes were met with a lot of this satisfaction from
the students. Within a few months, he started receiving anonymous
notes threatening him. One stead we are not happy, another

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we will rejoice if the principal died and there will
be possible bloodshed. Wow, So the kids were mad.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
Yeah, they do not like this guy.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
No, they really don't. And you know, the headmaster did
report the nose to the police, but they were They
just shrugged. They was like, well, what do you want
us to do? It's just notes on paper from angry teenagers.
What exactly is exactly? Yeah, there's really not much they
can do. No, like, what, don't be silly. The students
met with the principal and laid out their demand. They

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wanted milk from the school's dairy farm and eggs from
the poultry farm for breakfast. Basically, the food was gross
and they wanted an improvement, which sounds pretty reasonable. You've
got a dairy farm.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeah, exactly. I was just going to see if you
have one, come on, yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
Yeah, So it doesn't sound crazy, does it. The principal listened,
you know, kind of nodded, was like yeah, yeah, no,
no problem, told them that they would get what they wanted,
and then promptly ignored their request. Nothing changed, obviously. Then
the boys for the school traveled to a sports competition
with other schools in the area and returned without actually

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competing because the administration failed to pay the required fees
for them to take a part.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
No.

Speaker 3 (09:11):
Yes, so they went all the way there just to
be told, yeah, you didn't pay, so fuck off. So
you know, you can imagine their mode when they came back.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
Now, now I'm starting to get where the kids are
getting annoyed.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
Yeah, because their parents are paying so much money for
them to be attending, for them to be doing all
these things. The boys prepared.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
It was like an athletic competition exactly. You spent time
preparing and getting ready for it. Yeah, and like you said,
these parents work hardly, so it's like it's actually very
disrespectful for.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
But where the fucking money? Why did you not pay?

Speaker 1 (09:43):
What's the reason that minimum is? Why would you even
send them if you knew you didn't pay, Like, it's crazy,
were you thinking?

Speaker 3 (09:51):
Yeah, so you kind of get why everyone was kind
of upset, and it was time for action now since
no one was listening the negotiations. The talks I didn't
change anything, so it was time to actually fucking do something,
and the boys decided that they have to strike to
be heard. That's it. They tried to get the girls
to join them, but they refused. It was a Saturday

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when they had the chat and the strike was supposed
to be organized, so it seems that the girls actually
had other things to do, and a lot of them
were just like not the weekend.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
Maybe on a Monday, and a lot of them weren't
even there.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
They were like, yeah, I don't care. I was like,
it wasn't my competition, by.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
Come on, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
It's just like the girls didn't want to start ship.
They didn't, you know, you know, it's like exactly, we
like to just be yeah, take the path of least resistance.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
You know.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
Girls were like, nabro no think you. Good luck to
you though, and that made the boys very mad. It
really angered them, and they felt that the girls had
it fucking easy on them anyway, so you know, they
were hard done by, like the girls said it easier.
Of course, they're not going to strike because they get
preferational treatment. Like what the hell. So that night, on

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thirteenth of July nineteen ninety one, as the students were
getting ready for the night, the power went out. It
wasn't really unusual, like you know, it happened quite frequently,
so no one thought anything of it, but it wasn't
just a regular power outage. The boys actually catch the
electricity and phone lines. They were mad, humiliated, frustrated, and

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instead of protesting against the school, they turned their anger
towards the girls.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
I'm nervous now, you should be, trust me.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
Solomo Mutua, who was a student there at the time,
explained what happened. Quote that night, around eight pm, we
had gone for the usual night preparations. The light went out.
We thought it was the usual power outage. There was
some fracas, so we decided to go to the dorms.
But not even in our wildest dreams did we think
that the boys might turn on us. We were like

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brothers and sisters. Some students rushed to the teacher's quarters,
whilst the majority of us went to the dorm near
the gate. We all tried to get to the furthest corner.
The dorm had two doors. We locked one and used
the other one to allow the girls that were still
outside to get in. Then we locked the door. We
pushed all the beds to block the entrances because we

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were scared of being pulled out by the boys getting raped.
Some of us hid under beds somewhere on top of
the beds, anything for safety. Sadly, the beds were overwhelmed
with weight and broke, so the girls who were under
the beds got injured badly. The beds had sharp edges.
They stabbed the girls like a knife.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
Oh gosh. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
So the dorm was basically made off cinder blocks and
had a tin roof, you know what I mean. You
can imagine the kind of structure, and there was lots
of bunk beds inside. Yeah, and this particular, this particular
one had bars in the windows as well, which is
why the girls ran there, because it's you can't get in,
you can't get out, but you can't get in, you know,
I mean. So it housed seventy girls, but around two

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hundred of them hidden there when the attack started. The
boys stormed it, and some of them were wearing sheets
over them. They had flashlights. They broke windows through large
stones at the doors and the roof trying to get in.
They were unsuccessful, though, they left, leaving the girls inside
terrified in the dark, completely petrified. But it wasn't over.

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They returned at one am, even more angry than before,
and this time they managed to get in the boy's
anger wasn't just about milk and eggs. They also felt
that the girls got preferential treatment from the stuff, partly
because some of them were believed to have sexual relations
with some of the teachers. One of the boys later

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said quote, if the teachers can have them, why not us.
When they stormed the dorm, some of them used the
flashlights to identify the girls who were allegedly involved with
the teachersgging them outside. Others weren't so picky. They grabbed
whatever girl was the closest and took her with them.
The girls were desperately trying to escape, all of them
squshing into one corner of the room, trampling each other

(14:11):
in panic. One of the girls later said, quote, we
were attacked as if by a pack of hungry hyenas.
Reverend Alexander Karanja ran a mission near the school, and
he was awoken at midnight by impatient knocks on his door.
It was the school watchmen. They told the reverend that
the boys went mad and threatened to stone them to death.

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So the school had a few watchmen and two of
them kind of came to the reverend and they were
actually armed with bows and arrows, but obviously they stood
no chance against the angry mob of boys throwing fucking
rocks at them, so they just ran to the guy,
and you know, reverend didn't have a phone, so the
free men went to the hospital nearby to call the police.
The police actually already knew that there was something happening

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at the school because two teachers managed to run to
the police station realized that the phones were down, so they're, fuck,
let's run, yes, So when they went on foot and
they reported the situation. The police, however, couldn't attend the
scene because there was no petrol in their vehicles, so
they could unbelievable, Apparently this was not that unusual. They

(15:21):
just didn't have any fuel, so they were like, yeah,
we can't kind of.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
This absolute emergency.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
Yeah, I mean, it doesn't get much worse than this,
does it. So but yeah, it took them hours to
get there. What Yeah, yeah, I mean I think I
don't know. One of the girls they said they could
have saved us. Why didn't they come? Apparently the police
station wasn't.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
That far, so they couldn't at least walked it there
at them.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
I mean, I don't know what the situation was. I
don't know how big that possibly the police station was
like three of them. We don't really, we don't know,
but surely, you know, it just sounds not ideal. But yeah,
they had no patrols, so they couldn't they.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
At least go to the nearest nearby farms and stuff,
gather men or something.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
And because it's their children there, right, and then I
don't know, I don't know, I don't.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
Back and do nothing for hours waiting for help seems
like the worst thing to do. I figure something out.
I mean, they're telling you that these girls are in trouble,
these boys have gone crazy.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
Good, there's a riot.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
Like there's a riot, Yeah, there's a seriously.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
Like even the police have like, okay, we need the
guys from the big town or something, right, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
Some kind of communication people from the hospital, gather up
some folks. I don't know, I don't know. But the
fact that you're saying that it took hours, that that's
actually sad. Yeah, that's actually crazy.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
So around three am, two or three girls managed to
make their way to the hospital, telling the nurses that
there was the riots at the school and they were
raped and they have been raped, and they were not
examined or had semen samples taken from them because they
only did that if the police requested them to, so
no pelvic exams were They were just like, all right, girls,

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calm down, sit down, relax, it's fine. It was just
like gilarious. So, yeah, the stuff at the hospital were
kind of unfazed by this at first, but within an
hour the place would be overflowing with injured girls.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
Oh now they'll take it seriously.

Speaker 3 (17:25):
Yeah wow. Yeah. So one of the school prefects who
stayed anonymous, she was in the dorm when you know,
the attack happened, and she was trying to reassure and
protect the younger girls. And when eventually the police arrived
around three thirty am, she went outside and saw medicks
taking the girls away, and she said, quote, so I

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went to the hospital so that I could assist in
carrying in them. I thought they had fainted, but I
wondered why the doctors and the nurses would examine them
and put them aside instead of assisting given medicine. I
never thought they were dead because how inside the dorm
there was carnage, overturned broken furniture and beds, stray shoes

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and underwear covered in blood scattered around. Many girls suffered
various injuries, broken limbs, cut bruises. Seventy one girls were
raped and nineteen lost their lives. Most of those were
due to suffocation when they all got cornered and under
the beds. When the investigation began, the police wanted to

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speak to all the boys in the school, obviously, but
many of them actually run off into the bush, whether
they were involved in it or not. They were scared
of repercussions because obviously, I mean, you know, it's a
big fucking kafuffle they've got going on here now. But
the boys eventually came out two days later and they
were interviewed. A good to Rosa of Katie and News

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managed to speak to one of those now men and
he said he was let go once he spoke to
the police and he explained where it he'd been that night,
and you know, as Aguta Rosa was speaking to him,
another guy stopped by their table and started chatting away,
and he actually revealed that he was also a student
that San Cazito at their time, and he actually served

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two and a half years for his involvement. He'd only
been a student that Saan Cazito for about three weeks
when the riot broke out, having been kicked out of
two schols previously, so that kind of student, and he
claimed innocence. Quote, I went to prison for two and
a half years for crimes that I never, never, never committed.
But that's pretty much what all the boys said. And

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you know, seventy one girls don't just rape themselves today, exactly. Yeah.
So at first thirty nine boys were kind of arrested
and held without charge, and eventually ten of them were charged.
So ten seventy one victims, nineteen dead. Math is not
mathing here, but there you go. And also the free

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watchmen were also arrested for failure to prevent the attack,
but we're obviously later released because what they do exactly free.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
You know what I'm saying, This is no joke. And listen,
maybe some of the boys, maybe a handful of them,
didn't participate, but I'm guessing a whole bunch of them did.
For it to be that kind of like it was
a stampede trying out loud. Yeah, and the women, the
girls were all scared and they were locked away, the
teachers were running away, So clearly it was a joint.

Speaker 3 (20:24):
Was more than ten, yes, that's for sure, Yeah, exactly,
And it's.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
Definitely more than half the boys were involved, Otherwise it
wouldn't be possible to do that kind of terror.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
Yeah, I mean, these girls were gang rapes. It wasn't
just no exactly know what I mean, they were gang grapes.
How many boys actually fucking did it? And I don't
know what the Free watchmen were supposed to just be
completely honest having said that, they were kind of dicks
as well, because they allegedly told the girls to stop
fucking screaming when the attack starts, just stop screaming, shut up,
and then they sucked off into Thinnat.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
I mean, all of the I just don't know what
to say, babe. Everybody here is just absolute. The teachers
all ran off. I get they were getting held, but
you run back.

Speaker 3 (21:06):
I don't know. I wanted to point out the boys
were upset that the girls were having relations with teachers.
How many of them were consensual? I wonder as well? Exactly,
so what you're jealous that they are being raised by
the teachers.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
So you want to do it too, And even if
it was consensual or whatever, as are underage girls or
they were young girls, so it was probably grooming anyway. Yeah,
let's think about it, if a teacher's taking advantage of
a child of a teenage girl. So all of it's
wrong in the just the whole thing. It's just a
bunch of boys that clearly has.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
Some sort of herd mentality, That's what it is, and escalated, Yeah, exactly,
and they clearly wanted to do it.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
Yeah, yeah, there was that part of it too.

Speaker 3 (21:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
Yeah, monsters, little monsters really literally.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
Yeah. So the trial lasted a year, and the charges
for the ten boys were reduced to rape and manslaughter
instead of murder because there was no votive for the
deaths apparent, which I'm taking means there was you know,
it was accidental. I suppose in a way, there was
not a single person they could points out as the murderer,

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if you know what I mean. Yes, but come I know,
I know, I know, but it's just I.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
Mean, technically, but come on.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
I know, it's really upsetting. And yeah, all of them
were sent to prison. I couldn't find any names or
exact sentences, but the guy said two and a half years.
I imagine most of them just probably a few years,
you know what I mean. There's actually a photo of
the charged boys outside the courts around the trial, and

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they are literally laughing and grinning in it. You can
find it, and it's actually very weird because it's in
black and white, and it makes you feel like it's
earlier than when it happened, because it was only the nineties. Yeah,
but it makes it feel like it's much earlier in time.
But that and they are just kind of like, so,
I don't know, two fucking brain cells fighting each other
in the literally, and.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
I'm thinking, who are these ten boys? Like what what?
What made them agree to?

Speaker 3 (23:03):
There are the stupidest ones that said.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
Their parents probably didn't have the money to get them out.
I have a feeling that was probably involved in it
as well. Yeah, this is just so silly.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
It's just it's just a fucking show. We've got Yeah,
we've investigated's like funk please. Yeah. So one of the
men thought to be one of their ringleaders is now
the best carpenters out actually yeah, he claimed innocence. Of
course nothing. I ran. I ran into the bush when
it started. Either was nothing to do with that. And

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many of the other men died young and many also
suffered from our whole abuse and mental health issues, whilst
other others absolutely.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
Along with their lives. Yeah, yeah, nothing happened these poor
girls were there any were they giving any help after? Well?

Speaker 3 (23:53):
No, no. So yeah. As for the girls, the ones
that survived the attack, when Raphael Cohoso, a journalist, went
to interview some of them when they were in the hospital,
just to like, you know, well speak to them, they
started waiting and screaming and they actually had to be
sedated by the nurses. They had severe PTSD, severe trauma.

(24:15):
I mean, rape by itself awful. Can you imagine the circumstances.
You're locked in a fucking dorm with god knows how
many hundreds of boys trying to get in, picking you
one by one, petrifying babe in the dark. It's dark,
no electricity, they've got flashlights. It's literally horror fucking movie
we're talking about here. These are very young girls fourteen

(24:37):
to eighteen. Fuck me, yeah, I would be screaming too.
So Actually, this wasn't the only riots in a boarding
school that's ever at all, but one of about twenty
in the district. Similar things had a similar thing happened
in Carogo Secondary school where you know, buildings were burned down,

(24:58):
girls were raped. No, no, no, that kind of thing.
In another school, the students through their cook in a
vat of porridge, angry that the slot they were given
was ship.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
What in the world thing was a lot of.

Speaker 3 (25:11):
Going on in boarding schools at the time. I guess, yeah,
a lot. I mean the cook thing is hope he survived.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
That's a very like Oliver Twist.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
Yeah, yeah, but yeah, those stories obviously didn't make the
news as much as saying Zito did because no one died, right, Yeah,
rape is normal.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
The rape thing is kind of crazy.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
It's normal. It's even expected. Not death, but rape everyday occurrence.
Deputy Principle Joyce Kathira said after the tragedy quote, the
boys never meant any harm against the girls. They just
wanted to rape. Stop, you're not. She was dismissed for
failure to maintain discipline at the school, but she was

(25:56):
reinstated literally within dates after saying that some serious corruption.
That's just that's just how they just don't care. That's
just how it is, like rapists whatever. And the principal
said pretty much the same thing quote in the past,
the boys would. In the past, the boys would scare
the girls out of their dorms and in the process

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they would get hold of them and drag them to
the bush where they would do their thing, and the
matter would end there, with the students going back to
their respective dormitories. Yeah. One of the girls said, if
you are a girl, you take it and hope you
don't get pregnant. Unfortunately, rape was just part of life
for women there, part of life.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
I don't even know what to say.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
Everyday thing. Yeah, And it was later said that if
girls hadn't died at the school, no one would have
heard about it because rape things like that were just normalized.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
I mean, you said it was one of twenty and
all the other schools they had similar rape situations.

Speaker 3 (26:57):
Out of the country. Imagine.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
I didn't know what to say. Yeah, Like, clearly they
all have this pent up rage to want to read.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
Yeah and just feel entitled to him. There's something about
the just no respect whatsoever means. I mean. Yeah. Many
Kenyans were outraged, and particularly women, of course, and Hilary Gueno,
editor in chief of Weekly Review, wrote in the days
after the attack, quote, this tragedy has underscored their abominable

(27:26):
male chauvinism. Chauvinism mm hmm, male chauvinism that dominates Kenyan's
social life. The lot of our women and girls is lamentable.
We treat them as second class beings, good only for
sexual gratification of burdensome chores. We bring up our boys
to have little or no respect for girls. Which I

(27:47):
think she sounded out pretty well.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
I think so the only sensible thing from an adult
so far.

Speaker 3 (27:53):
Yeah, yeah, literally. So. Women groups and leaders felt that
it was another price women had to pay for being
quite and docile. Quote. We failed to tell the Saint
Zito girls that they are not sexual objects. Women groups
became more active after this, and group called Mothers in
Action was created supporting the victims of this particular tragedy,

(28:15):
and each girl got a letter from a woman addressed
dear daughter with words of you know, support and encouragement
and advice and many many of the girls wrote back
saying dear mom, you know, telling them how they felt
like thank you for writing. And one of the girls wrote, quote,
thank you for remembering the girls who survived the tragedy.

(28:36):
I was crashed under the bed for three hours I
waited for more encouragement from you, which is really sad.
I mean, it's great that they got they were seen,
you know, I mean they felt like they were seen
by someone, because unfortunately they got no support whatsoever after
it happened. In fact, there was no canceling, nothing, and

(28:57):
within days they had to sit their exams because it
was time for exams.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
I can't stop.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
Yeah, they were just centered because the school got obviously
shut down immediately, but they got sent to different school
to sit their fucking exams. So this is what we're
talking about here. And I mean, and someone said that,
you know, your parents told you to, so you fuck
off and you finish your exams because we pay a
lot of money for you to get that education. And
I'm sorry that it happened to you, but you just

(29:23):
do as you told.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
Babe. I'm actually lost for words. I don't even know
what to say.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
I thought it would be with this one, Yeah, I
was too. Yeah. So when Mada's in Action finally managed
to organize a canceling session for the girls in December,
I believe it was so a few months later, forty
of them expressed suicidal thoughts. Of course, of course, Yeah, Yeah.
As for the school, it was closed immediately and an

(29:49):
inquiry was called to investigate what happened, and you know,
kind of whatever. Politicians blamed mismanagement, cronyism, and drugs. Others
weren't so sure and basically argued that it was their
misogyny deeply rooted in a society where women had to
sit together at the front of the bus to avoid

(30:09):
sexual assault and where they could be beaten and taken
in front of a panel of elders and disciplined for
questioning her husband's words and decisions. So, you know, take
your pick, whichever you think. It is probably a bit
of both. But in the end, Saint Zito was closed
and then later turned into two separate schools, Saint Angela
for girls and Saint Cypriots for boys. So you know,

(30:32):
no more that co ed vibe I suppose for the school.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
I mean, if it's so common that getting raped is
so common, I don't think it's a good idea to
have a mixed.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
So the problem there was a population boom around that
time in Kenya, and also there was a huge pressure
for the girls to be educated as well, which is
a fantastic thing. But because there's only so many schools.
They started opening boys schools and allowing girls because got
to educate them somewhere, right, So this is this kind
of cycle where do we just not educate the girls
or do we risk them being with boys?

Speaker 1 (31:04):
And like, I mean, it's so deep crazy that they
had to think like that.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
Yeah, it's understand.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
It was a big change, I guess for the country. Yeah,
so they had to figure out a way to do it.
But clearly this was not the week.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
Because you know, building schools, enough teachers like all of
that stuff. It's yeah, so it's easy to just admit
schools at schools juus girls into schools with the boys,
and most of the time it was fine for the boys,
I guess, so, right, So some recommendations were made, so

(31:39):
another set of doors and dorms. Windows shouldn't have grills,
Beds at least one point to meter away from each other.
Corridors and dorms themselves must be wide enough at least
two meters. Also, they should be trained security personnel, personnel
and CCTV and key areas, as well as improved emergency
procedures and canceling meant health help for staff and students.

(32:02):
Which is all well and good, of course, but this
is just one of many situations of that in Kenya
at that time that happened. You know, this happened over
thirty years ago, and the rule of a president who
some argue was a ruthless dictator. Arguably the current president

(32:24):
doesn't seem to be so well liked either, and he
seems to be you know, similar vibes, maybe not as bad,
but from what I hear, not great. But you know,
Kenya is a different country now, of course, it's been
thirty years is different now. However, it seems that misogyny
is still there and cases are femicide and rape unfortunately

(32:45):
on the rise again, particularly since COVID, which I think
is the case everywhere. Yeah, and also apparently they are
having this weird you know, fragile Andrew Tati idea of
masculinity on the rise as well. Men are loving that country. Yeah,
and Kenya specifically. I haven't looked into it so much
because I was like, that's I would love to do
an episode of that, because that looks great, because there's

(33:07):
so many articles apparently it's on the rise. I mean,
he's fucking on the rise everywhere for some reason the
fucking in cell thing. You know, you have to treat
your women whatever shit fucking Andrew take to say now,
But apparently it's becoming a thing that amongst Kenyan men,
which is no bueno.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
Not when you're already behind I'm sorry, Like unfortunately, yes
you're not there in terms of rights for women. For
you to be annoyed at women having rights, no, so
so this makes no sense. There's no logic behind the
They never really you know, if there's an if it's
still a problem, if rape and firm said it's still
an issue there, which it is. The numbers are going up.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
Women's stay it went up by something crazy, and like
immediately when the lockdowns happened, that was a.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
Big fucking This shows that there's still an problem because
they want to do it. They still want to commit
these crimes against women. They don't want to give the
women the right.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
The core kind of cultural.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
Culture has not changed. It's still there.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
And it's really sad to hear that, unfortunately, because Kenya
seems like one of the more progressive kind of you know,
developing off I don't know, but kind of developing countries,
and then you've got ship like that happening. It's like,
why why do we never fucking learn anythink? Why are
we putting women down all the time? Why? Just why?

Speaker 1 (34:30):
Well, it's good to know that there's some charities like
the Mothers. Yes, so they kind of there's probably more
now right over the years.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
Yes, so they kind of they disbanded. Now I think
they've changed into something else. But yeah, there was kind
of a surge in women's charities and women's leaders kind
of trying to make change and.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
More women are probably still talking of and speaking and
things like that. Those are brilliant stuff, brave women doing such.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
You know, it made me incredibly sad with those letters
because it just means that those girls had no female
kind of figures around them to be able to share
that kind of.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
Not even sisters understand because they probably went through the
same thing, yes, and the same Yeah, shake it up,
carry on to the exam. She's just so sad.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
And another thing that someone pointed out was that that
school so many kids, brothers and sisters, little from the
same families. So your brother could be in the mob
whilst you're inside the door.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
Wow, I didn't even think about that.

Speaker 3 (35:24):
I didn't either when I read that I was like, oh, fuck,
that could be your brother, that could be your sister,
and what the hell can you imagine like your family,
your actual family being There's many horrible fucking levels of
this whole story, honestly, honestly, and yeah, it's so unheard off,
no one really talks about anymore because you know, it's

(35:44):
happened thirty years ago. But when I found out was like,
fuck it, Yeah, we're going to do this one.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
It's a crazy story. Goodness.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
Yeah, So we'll keep an eye on Kenya. Yeah, I
guess look into it. Look at the picture from the
I'll definitely yeah, because that the one going in, particularly
on the right, is just like it's got fucking shit
eting grin on his face and it's like, what are
you fucking laughing at your dumb clown? What are you doing? Yeah,

(36:12):
it's very very upsetting.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
But any other situation, any other boy in any other country,
like saying the UK was was facing rape charges, they
would not be that way. No, they'd be nervous as hell.
It shows you the lack of seriousness they took at
that time. They just didn't care.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
And also I want to point out it happened thirty
years ago, but they were kids. So these people, both
victims and perpetrators, are only in the fifties walking around
still in the same area probably.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
I mean, one's a very famous carpenter, like, well there
just doing their thing, you know, having normal careers and families,
like nothing happened.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
And that's why in the documentary, like a lot of
the girls just wanted to stay anonymous because I imagine
they still live there. They probably have to see the
fucking perpetrators.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
The daily and act like nothing happened exactly, because.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
There will be no just just for that. That was
the justice was ten random bories that got a few years.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
Each I don't know about, and they all denied doing it.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
So yeah, well the smarter ones. Anyway, I'll leave your guys,
we're that bad taste of your laugh for today. But
what have you got for us to finish on today? Dancing?

Speaker 1 (37:16):
Yes, so I've got an interesting fact for us today.
Back in the days, in nineteen thirties, there was a
guy called Michael Malloy. He was a alcoholic fireman ex fireman.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
I know about it. I don't, oh carry out this
is such a great story.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
Yes, So, like a lot of people from back in
the day. He was down on his luck, so were
five of his bodies. So they all took out separate
life insurance policies on Malloy and plotted to kill him.
They tried poisoning him, drowning him, freezing him, even running
him over with a taxi, but nothing worked. By this point,

(37:53):
Maloy had become a celebrity among the police and in
Bronx and in New York. So he became a celebrity
among police and paramedics for his ability to cheat death.
So when the Murder Trust finally succeeded in gassing him
with carbon monoxide, the police were like very swift to
act and they called him Mike the Durable because and

(38:15):
he became a Bronx legend and his bodies were all
sent to the electric chair.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
They tried so hard, didn't they, And then she could
have I think the insurance companies in the end as
were like figured it out. Yeah, but oh, this is
such a fun we should cover it one though. It's
such a fun story. Well he died, bless him, but
bless him. Yeah, took them enough to trust me, took
them enough for it to be funny. Thank you very
much for the Darcy and thank you guys for listening
and I will see you again next Fasday.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
Bye.