News: Strange New Worlds! Year One! Legacy! Scouts! The Paramount/WBD Merger!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
On this episode of Star Trek Universe. It is episode
three hundred, and we're going to discuss some news for
Strange New Worlds Year one scouts, a possible update on
legacy but not really, another possible merger, some feedback, other thing.
There's there's a lot. There's a lot. Right after these
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Welcome to Star Trek Universe, the podcast for Eaven's in
two lifelong friends sit in chat for so many, so
many episodes, three hundred in fact, Yeah about Star Trek.
My name is Matthew Carroll.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
I'm David c. Robertson.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Congrats on three hundred, bud, Yeah, man, you too. Yeah,
I know there's a number I haven't been on with
with you doing episodes with e Fie, but still the
show itself with three hundred episodes, so it's probably like
whatever two fifty for me or something, so you know
you're really the three hundred man, I know, So congrats, ingrats,

(01:01):
I know, thank you guys for being here with us.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
I want it to be just a fun look back
at a at a at a good time of making
this show, but it's not going to be because of
the merger talk.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
We'll have a little later.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Oh boy, oh boy, indeed. Uh yeah, So let's jump
into the fun stuff first kind.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
Of Uh so Strange New Worlds. We've got some interesting
thoughts here because Track Movie has been talking to uh
you know Goldsman and uh Myers, the showrunners for for
Strange New Worlds, and so okay, they they had a

(01:45):
conversation with him about Terrarium that I wanted to bring up.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
That was that was the one where they put the
Enemy of Mine episode right right right, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
So in July they had told Trek Movie, quote, we'll
chase an idea that arena the TOS episode could feel
brand new by the time we get to arena. That
was a quote. Okay, so they did say that Terrarium
was that idea. And of course episode three or nine

(02:18):
ended with a Metron revealing they had arranged Ortagas and
a Gorn to crash Land together as an experiment, and
then after watching Ortega's work with and befriend the Gorn
and then only to see Lan kill it, the Metron
told her quote, they need more data to determine if
the human and the Gordon will ever find peace. Uh,

(02:40):
you won't remember me and perhaps someday we may need
to reset your perception of the Gorn as well, and
Goldsman confirmed that ter this Terrarium twist is how they
have reframed both Arena and the Gordon, explaining there's a
suggestion that the memories of the Gorner being tampered with

(03:01):
by the Metron and that they may be tampered with
again in the future. So the idea of being that
potentially there has been another encounter between what we just
saw in Darrium and Arena, and as a result of
that encounter, all memory of the Gorn has been wiped,
except for the fact that Batel was talking about having
the Gorn inside of her, Like they don't they remembered.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
That, well, I think we may have to wipe we
have may have to reach save perception. So I'm assuming
what they're saying in that quote is that by the
time of Arena, Oh okay, some of these some of these.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
Things have been erased.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
But like, that's just such silliness, man, It's like, uh,
it is, I don't know it's.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
And once again I point to the skeleton of the
t West Gorn in Lorca's chambers on.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
The site right it's also just working really hard to like.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
You ret coon something. Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
We don't love it when you ret coon something. But
like reht conning the ret con, I don't know unless
you do it in a really clever way, similar to
what they did with like maybe the Klingons and Enterprise
with the different different head ridges and stuff like that.
There's been a few moments where, like reht conning, a
retcon worked, but this just seems really ham fisted to

(04:19):
be like, we may have to change your perception.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
Yeah, I don't love that. I don't love it. Both
showrunners confirmed that yes, this explains why Kirk doesn't seem
to know the Gordon in Arena. Henry Myers added more
detail about what they were aiming to do with Terrarium
and the Gorn. Part of what we tried to do
is set up a future US problem and suggest to
the viewers that there are stories you have not yet seen.

(04:45):
We have set up the idea there are stories you
have not yet seen that will tell you the story.
If you keep watching our show, you will get to
experience those stories. That's the goal. It's the goal of
every fucking TV show ever.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
Well, he's he's I think what's talking about is the
fact that we realize it's a prequel, but we want
to let you know that we can still surprise you.
It sounds like what he's saying, that's the way I'm
interpreting those words.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
But he's trying to say maybe yeah, but he's worse
set than me.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
But he also said that they're done with the Gorns,
so okay, well, this idea that they're resetting it whatever
so that we can tell you stories.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
He's basically saying there are stories you don't know, which
is to say, like, you don't know everything about these characters,
we can still surprise you.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
Okay, sure, but you can just do that.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
You don't have to like this is totally unnecessary for
us to feel like there might be surprises you can
tell us in the backgrounds of these characters. Also, the
show's full of characters we don't know the outcome of,
I mean less and less as it goes on. But
there are there are characters we don't know the outcomes of.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
Mm hmm. So yeah, we have some season three finale
thoughts with them. Trek also from Trek Movie, who said
this was a big episode for Pike, very inner light.
Presumably that was your thought. Oh, yes, very much so,
they say the question here. Unlike TG, this isn't going
to reset for him. This must have a huge impact

(06:13):
for Pike through the rest of the series, or does it.
By the way, did not reset on TNG. It did
not reset on TG. Picard had several little moments and
his his character did change. Yeah after the inter light.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
Yeah, I mean, like it's it's just like all Next
Ration episodes. It sort of resets to factory settings at
the end of the episode to where like mostly things
don't change a major way, but there are slight elements
to that that like continue on. Like I think the
character has changed, and like the flute I believe is
still in his is like a ready room. The rest

(06:49):
of the show is sort of giving you the idea
that he's still dealing with the memories of that life.
It's like the memories were taken away.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
I guess right, he still plays the flute, right, Yeah.
Goldsman says, the thing that really bummed me out about
the structure of network television in the old days is
Tos' is city on the edge of Forever. At the end,
Edith Keeler's dead and Jim Kirk is broken and then
the next week he's fine. So obviously what we're trying
to do here with continuity of relationship across episodes is

(07:15):
to have emotional moves for them too, for good or
ill stick. So on the one hand, of course it will.
And he's also not going to turn into somebody who
isn't Captain Pike. He is an optimist. He gets through trauma,
he will work, he will continue to solve the problem
and continue to explore space and be the Captain that
he is now. Informed by that loss, that's fine, that

(07:36):
sounds good. Yeah, because it said it's happening. I don't
believe it will. I want to see this.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
I meant to say this in our coverage of the
Fun and Alley, that moment that we had seen in
the trailer where it was like, is this a hit situation?

Speaker 1 (07:51):
Captain?

Speaker 2 (07:52):
That moment did not work for us in the trailer
and we hated it. It actually really worked for.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
Me in the episode. It did not hurt for me
in the episode.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
It worked for me a lot because it wasn't his
friends picking on him about having a catchphrase. It was
his friends trying.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
To like.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
Cheer him up by getting him back to normalcy, and
like it worked because Battell had just died. It was
the last thing of the season, and it was him
dealing with that death and not death like whatever permanent
ice sculpture version of her, and like he had just
lost her. He had the whole inner light thing. Like
all this is going on, they're worried about him. There's

(08:32):
a clear like there's an undercurrent to that moment that
is them being silly and sort of picking on him
for having a catchphrase sort of thing instead of instead
of what I thought it was, which was just another
moment where they're going to talk about a catchphrase. It
was sort of them picking on him to try to
like bring some normalcy to the moment that he's going through,

(08:53):
you know what I mean. And it really worked for
me in a way that did not expect it to. Yeah, No,
I'm just sick of the goofy catchphrase. Shit, I am too,
And That's what I'm saying. I don't think this was
I did not think that moment worked like we expected
it to, and it annoys me they put in the
trailer because like it made me think that moment was
gonna be just the same old shit, But I do

(09:15):
think they did something different with it, and I appreciated it.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
Yeah, I think I'm just tired of all of it.
I'm just tired of all the catchphrase stuff, right, get
like it undercuts the seriousness of it to.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
Me, I get that, and I get that, and most
of the time it does me too.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
Most of the time.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
It just like people have things they say, and like
you might make fun of a thing your friend says,
and that's the thing. Like most of the time when
you talk about building a catchphrase or like what are
you gonna say when you get in the chair, Like
that feels cheesy to me. When your friends pick on
you for having a catchphrase, it feels normal to me.

(09:53):
That makes sense. There's like a very big difference there.
Like my friends like whatever I say, friend a lot?

Speaker 1 (10:00):
What's up? Friend?

Speaker 2 (10:01):
Like, especially back in the day, and you make fun
of me for saying that, like you go, when you
do an impression of me, you go, friend, like that
was that was? Like that was that was your impression
of me? And like that's what this felt like, you
know it.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
Was mine, right, it was Miller. That was Jeremy's thing.
Jeremy and Miller are both doing friend friend, and I
was like, what is that. They were like, oh, it's mad,
and I'm like okay. And then at some point, I know,
I like because of them, I noticed that you said
it a lot, and I was like.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
Yeah, I would call my friend's friend and I think
I still do that to some agree and maybe not
to the extent, but anyway, Like so, so that felt
like those moments like if I had just lost someone
and and and you were trying to cheer me up
and trying to bring normalcy and came to me and
like it gonna be our friend, m like like you know,

(10:56):
like that sort of thing, like just sort of trying
to cut through the tragedy with a little comedy and friendship,
you know.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
So so yeah, I just did.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
It didn't feel the same to me as the old
stuff did.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
Yeah, I may, I get it. Oh I love it,
but I get it. Yeah. Anyway here okay, They asked
the showrunners, we saw Pike's sort of alternate type future,
but to be clear, he still can't avoid this fate,
and they're like, yep, his fate is his fate. That's
all happened in one second. Yeah, they asked with Patel.

(11:32):
How long did you know you were going to do
this to her? And did Melanie know the actress? They said,
we knew her art from the beginning of the season.
I cast her in the pilot because I directed it.
She was just great, just amazing, and so we were like, oh,
there's a real thing here. So we brought her back.
But by the time we were running into the end
of season two, which is really the beginning of season

(11:53):
three in terms of the two parter, we were like, oh,
here's a thing to do. So we hired her for
one season arc and melk new from the beginning What
did you call that statue? What did you what did
you just call it ice sculpture? I was just teasing
ice sculpture? Well, what I saw it I thought of
I was like Nickelodeon floam, Yeah, because is like the

(12:15):
little plastic thing with like the little flowing.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
I don't know, no, yeah, I remember speaking of Nickelodeon.
There's a transition here and they'll get there.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
They asked, uh, you didn't want Pike to be basically
married by the time he had his accident, and they
were like, correct, And then there is that vena stuff
one has to deal with.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
His sons of bitches. Yeah, it makes sense. It makes
sense that, like you know, he has a long life,
that he may have had other relationships now before the
accident and before Vena.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
Just yeah, makes sense. As Henry is fond of saying,
it's just trying to give you a different view of
the moments you know were to come. I don't want
a different view of the moments I know where to come.
And by enriching his experience and making it complex and
giving him a love of his life which we then
snatch away from him, and with the inner light structure

(13:11):
so that there is an inflection point in time, so
we can do all of that and then bring him
right back to the timeline. This was a weird thing
that I saw people talking about online that and they asked,
regarding Betel's eyes, was there some kind of Gary Mitchell
connection or was that just the visual effects?

Speaker 2 (13:30):
I was wearing that too. It reminded me of some
of I think Gary Mitchell. I think that's what I
was thinking of too, And.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
They said, no, there's not. But isn't it delightful that
just happened. We didn't do that on purpose. The visual
effects Sometimes we are very specific and then they just
show off with a thing and you go, oh, that's cool.
And with that we just thought it was cool. I
had never understood that Gary the people saying Gary Mitchell,
because Gary Mitchell had silver eyes. They didn't look like
the universe.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Was Yeah, yeah, yeah, they they look similar to me.
And that's what I thought of when I uh saw
the episode, and I meant to talk about it in
the episode, but uh, but I agree with you, they're
not the same. And I just thought maybe, like I
could never really tell what was going on up close
with Gary Mitchell's eyes, and so when when I saw that,
it looked very similar to me. But look at looking

(14:18):
at pictures now, even it looked like if it were
the fidelity of it, the picture I'm looking at, like,
I could imagine that it is the universe if I
pulled in closer, you know, but yeah, it may have
been just silver. Yeah, No, I just I didn't. I
didn't get that. I didn't think about that at all.
And then everybody started talking about it's like, what is happening?

Speaker 1 (14:40):
What a die miss?

Speaker 2 (14:41):
What they did that effect in the old days, that
that silver eye effect.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
Oh, they were awful, like painted contact lenses.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
Oh, painted contact lenses.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
From what I understand, yeah, or from what I remember.
You can actually look it up on where No Maad
has gone before that episode on Memory Alpha. They'll talk
about it. We've talked about me and Fi talked about it. Okay,
whatever it was, I thought it was pain and contact lenses.
I might be wrong. I know they were painful. Looks

(15:12):
looks painful. Let's see a question. One little surprise for
us was the Vesta didn't end up being a callback
to Canon like the paw Raiths or something like that,
so they are totally your own new thing. And Goldsman says, yeah,
they are not Canon. Well they are now, I guess,
but they are not anything previously found in Cannon. But
you guys do love a Cannon callback. So how do

(15:33):
you decide when to do something like bring in c
or whatever versus here making something new? And Meier said,
having made the Gorn be the bad guys for several seasons,
not several. One of the things that Akiva had this
notion that by season three, you want to run into
something that is surprising and new and different. Akiva had
a notion that you want to run into things that

(15:55):
are surprising and new and different and causes you to
see these things that you just went through differently. We
knew where we were going emotionally with the Gorn, and
by the time you get you kind of get there emotionally.
If you want to explore, continue to explore the idea
of evil in the universe, you need to run into
it in a different way. And so that was the

(16:17):
goal with a Vesta. Let's see if we can create
a character that can continue to allow us to explore
that idea. But we really wanted to make it a
completely different type of species from the Gorn. We're exploring
it in a very different way. And then they said,
so you're not done with the Vesta, and he laughs
and says, we're done with the Vesta like we are
done with the Gorn. But on Henry's point, there's a

(16:40):
kind of movement to Star Trek if you think about it,
which is we meet something, it's other, it's evil, and
then we start to get connected to it and we
touch points where we find empathy, and that's what Star
Trek does. And at the same time, what we never
want to do is say there is no evil out there,
so we keep evil alive in our Starscape. Hmm. I

(17:03):
included all that for you specifically because I wanted to.
I wanted to hear your thoughts on that.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
Yeah, well, the evil stuff specifically, I do have thoughts,
but I I think you always need conflict in your stories,
you don't always need evil. It is my thought on evil,
my thought on these overall quotes. It's like I almost
don't want to hear interviews with these people because like

(17:28):
I really you called them hacks last episode, and that's.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
What I'm illustrating here. I feel.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
I think, yes, I think this season has felt very hacky.
There have been some episodes are liked. There have been
some episodes that worked well. There have been some episodes
that like stuck true to sort of a Star Trek
formula that works, and I've enjoyed them. But the episodes
for for the for the overall, like I don't feel

(17:56):
like they kind of knew what they were doing writing wise,
and and especially in the bigger moments that we're supposed
to be really pay off things and hearing him describe
like like you said, like Akiva had this notion that
you want something new, and it's like, yeah, what a

(18:16):
strange notion that strange new worlds.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
Yeah, this show is called.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
Strange New Worlds, like the whole and the whole seek
out new life and new civilizations. It's like, come on, man,
of course we want something new. We also enjoy a
callback fan services fan service for a reason. We love
fan We love when they serve us. But you gotta
also challenge us and also do new things. And a
lot of this feels like them just retreading old ground

(18:43):
and not really challenging the viewer in any real way.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
So yeah, uh and.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
And yeah, but the evil stuff, Like, like I've said,
I I generally think it works better when you don't
ever make anything purely evil. You give it its own
purpose it so some things can I mean the Borg
for instance, the Borg are as close to evil as
I think we've ever had in Star Trek, but they're not.

(19:12):
They just have their purpose and they're doing their thing,
like they have their purpose to replicate and like taken
new in their own way. They're seeking new life and
new civilization. They just want to own it and like
incorporated into themselves because they think they're building this perfect
species through technology, and like that's an interesting force to

(19:32):
come up against but it's it's not evil, it's it's
just like a freaking bug colony or whatever. But that,
but it's incredibly fascinating and like how do you deal
with it? And how do you negotiate with it? And
all these things are interesting. But yeah, just to say something,
there's like this great evil that exists does not really.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
Work for me. Yeah, I mean canonically, you know, like
I said last episode, they have absolutely we had just
fucking straight up malevolent evil entities. Sure, without any explanation,
but you know it doesn't. Those things don't make me

(20:14):
feel like I've watched anything good.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
Sure, sure, Well, and then, like I said last week,
you can have entity bent on doing evil, but acting
like evil as a concept is a thing separated from
one of those beings feel stupid to me. Yeah, Like
evil evil as choices and like you might be a
superpowered super being making evil choices, but evil is still

(20:42):
choices being made by creatures.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
Yeah, they did confirm that when they wrote it, they
thought this.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
Might be the series finale. Oh wow, okay, yeah that
would be that makes sense. I definitely see it with
all the with then the inner Light part makes more
sense if it was a season for a serious finally. Honestly, yeah,
it's like, we gotta we gotta do something to close
this out and give him a little bit of happiness
before he goes off to his doom.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
I Mike, I didn't love it, but you know what,
if it had you know, if it had been the
series finale, it would have been better than These are
the voyagers from Enterprise. Yeah, true, fucking Riker's chef in
the Holidack bullshit. They asked, did Pelia know the doctor

(21:33):
from Doctor Who? And they said she apparently knew the
doctor from Doctor Who? Good lord? All right? Sweet? They said,
are we going to get a full Pulia episode? And
they said, I don't know. I think we're I don't
think we're getting a Pula episode. She has a strong

(21:55):
she runs throughout the season. Hey help.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
Yeah, Well, honestly, it sounds like they know she There
are characters that work in small doses in a seat show,
it don't work as a to carry an episode.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
I think she's one of those. Yeah. Now, they've said
several times, and I talked about this a little bit
last episode, and now I've seen at least four different
times in four different interviews where they said season four
is going to be better because we had staffing changes
and there were we had to shut down in the
middle of a strike in the in season three and

(22:31):
the strike caused change and those things are real and
we had to shut down everything. They've been like really
banging the drum on how we promised Star season four
is going to be better, so and blaming the strike. Yeah,
splinting that out. Goldsman said, we just had more time
for season four, and they said about the cast for

(22:55):
season four, we were able to find new ways to
get the best from them. We know our cast deep,
We knew a lot of people's strengths. We were able
to lean into their strengths and have them try things
that they hadn't gotten to hadn't gotten to try that
we could see on screen. The usual thing that we
talk about on the show is that when we're having fun,

(23:16):
it's usually a good sign. And season four was really,
really fun. I don't I don't feel good about that.
I don't like when they have fun because the stuff
that they talk about is so fun. I always go, oh,
this is terrible. Yeah, except for the except for the
Lower Decks crossover. That was fun. That was really fun.
That was great.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
You know, I enjoyed a lot of a lot of
the fun I enjoyed the musical episode.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
I think I did.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
I think I enjoy some a lot of the fun stuff,
but like it kind of. I'm fine with the fun
episodes as long as you give me medy episodes in between. No,
like like you need you gotta have. The balance fell
off this season particularly mm hmm and us.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
By Trek movie on if Zulu or McCoy will show
up and if it will be in season four or five,
Goldsman would only say, we cannot confirm or deny. Do
you really want to know what's going to happen in
season four? But then he says, we have the same
questions ourselves as fans. We watch this, we feel those
same questions. What we want to promise is that a

(24:20):
lot of these questions will be dealt with or at
least asked, so we as viewers want the same experience
that you as viewers want. It just sounds like at
some point Pike is like, is there going to be
a doctor McCoy soon? And then someone says I don't know,
and he goes, all right, well we asked the question.
They did say there will be no checkof checkoff. Doesn't

(24:43):
make any sense.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
They say, well, he was in until season two?

Speaker 1 (24:46):
Is that right? Over the the original series? Right, but
he could have been a crewman on the ship, just
not on the bridge yet he would have been a
child canonmically, he would have been like sixteen, but he
was like sixteen and the Calvin verse. Shit, so yeah,
it's true. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (25:06):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
In a San Diego Comic Con interview, the showrunners tease
the return of Sybox, and when asked to elaborate, Colesman
seemed to backtrack, implying we did not say Sybock was coming.
M When asked how that fits with what they said
during the SDCC Comic Con interview, he says we haven't
heard the last of Sybock and refuse to get more specific.

(25:31):
All right, there we go. Sounds like a bunch of horseshit.
Season five started shooting on the seventeenth, just a couple
of days ago in Toronto.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
Wow, it's crazy they're shooting season five when season three
just finished.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
Really to me, yeah, they some of the I think, uh,
Melissa Navilla, it plays Erica Ortegas, was just complaining that
she's like man I thought it was gonna get a
break now, move on right back to work.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
Yeah, it sounds like they're wrapping it up and they're like, yeah,
let's get all these expensive sets struck and.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
Yeah, dude, which that brings us to Akiva Goldsmith is
still grifting out here at the SDCC, talking about like, oh,
you gotta let you gotta let them know you want
your one. He says, Uh, I think that, As I say,
we are renters, and so the new owners of the

(26:28):
house just took possession. So I don't know. I think
your one's a dream, and it's a good dream, and
it's a real dream, and we would do it in
a heartbeat. And right now we know we promised to
end Strange New Worlds. Well, so that's what we're doing.
And if for some reason that dream is shared by
the folks of sky Dance and Paramount, that would be amazing.
But we're not relying on it. We're ending the show

(26:48):
because we promised to end the show in a way
that is complete. The fifth season begins shooting in Toronto,
or it did on the seventeenth se and they've got
those sets. The cast characters aren't dying, he says, I
you know, these are all the right questions. These decisions
are more immediate than they would seem to be exactly

(27:10):
for that reason for physical assets. But so who knows.
I wish I did so. Yeah, they haven't even pitched
it yet. By the way, they haven't even had a
chance to pitch your one, like officially two paramount wowd
I just don't know, man, I just don't know.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
I know that, like a there's a lot of shifting
going on over there, and I have no idea where
all these shit. I wonder if part of him getting
right on season five is being worried that like if
they don't get right on it with all the merger
tak or merger happening, that like they might just not
get a season five.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
You know. Well, I don't know. I think they they
did do like a production shutdown for a second, and
then while the merger was happening, right, and then once
it happened, they got the green light to go ahead
and finish up. Okay, So from what I've read, I
have it, I wasn't there.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
Yeah, this is obviously speculation, but my my, my spiculation
isn't really based on like what's happened. Since my speculation
is like when they planned the schedule, like if you've
already got all the season five written, you're like a
lot of your production costs are already sunk, Like you've
already got the crew like ready to and lined up
to do it. Like you might just go like, well,

(28:25):
since you you already did this under the old regime,
we didn't we wouldn't want to keep the last part
of the last season of the show, but go ahead
and do those last like five episodes or whatever it
is in season five.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
Short it is, it's like six episodes long, and they
were not gonna get that, and they begged for more,
and then Paramount said, okay, you can have a movie.
And they were like, we really need more than a movie,
so they gave them the six episodes. Okay, cool, all right, Yeah,

(28:57):
Star Trek Scouts. That's so weird that you're excited about.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
This, you know, I just why, I like, I've been
hearing about it. I knew that it was gonna be
like a child show, not even like prodigy like preschoolers. Yeah,
this is like for preschoolers. It's basically that like what
are that Spider Friends or whatever? That it's now running.
You know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
I think I kind of know what you're talking about. Yeah,
I think it's.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
Called Spider Friends. Uh, Marvel Spidey and his Amazing Friends,
That's what it's called. And that is it's very similar
in aesthetic that the heads are bigger. It's like child
bodies basically, and they're but they're doing Star Trek things
on a Star Trek ship. My head cannon. Also, all

(29:44):
the stuff they're facing is utterly ridiculous. You said you
saw one with like a spaghetti gun they shot they.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
Shot a fork with some spaghetti on it at a
meatball media.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
Right, Yeah, right, I saw one where they fired a
rubber ducky at a soap bar from the bath nar
nebula or something like that.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
Yeah, they like Jimmy Neutron. Yeah, they all like Jimmy Neutron. Uh.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
They all have pets at their respective station, Like one
guy has a dog, one guy has a turtle. And
the episode I watched, one of the girls like captured
a pig or saved a pig's life and it became
her pet.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
So they're doing they're they're doing. It's a very kitty show. Uh,
but my my, having only watched like three minutes of it, uh,
I will say I didn't hate it. I enjoy it,
And I got headcannon for it. If you want it, sure, what.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
Do you got?

Speaker 2 (30:35):
It's just a kid's Holidak program. Yeah, like it's the
Star Trek universe. Some kids it's it's it's it's Holidack Daycare. Yeah,
and like they do little it's It's Holidack Daycare with
like federation propaganda and I kind of love it, like
do you want to know more? Like it's just the
do you want to go to space? Man, we're gonna

(30:56):
be shooting like it, and they're and they're doing like
actual sort of problems solve stuff, like very little silly
problem solving, Like it's kind of it literally is like
there's a bathtub, there's a soap bar flying at you.
What do you fire at it? And like you have
to decide from a series of options, and it makes
the kid think like what goes with the soap bar?
What would stop a soap bar? Like there's like little

(31:18):
little like logic puzzles for the kids. It literally is
like preschool in the in the Star Trek universe. And
that's that's how I'm going with it, and I kind
of love that as a concept, and just like let
let kids watch Star Trek and get into Star Trek
in a in a in their own little way. It's
working for Spider Man. A lot of people are growing
up now because Spidey and his amazing friends is uh

(31:40):
Spider Gwyn or Ghost Spider.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
Uh yeah, uh.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
Miles Morales and Spider Man and they're all like Miles
Mass Spider Man, Peter Parker Spiderman, and they're all like
they're like a trio and they just work together all
the time. And so all these kids are growing up No,
and Miles Morales and Ghost Spider as closely as they
know Peter Parker, and so a lot of them are
coming of age. And that's why you know, then you
then you have I mean this is around the same times.

(32:06):
It's not the same thing, but like you, they're also
pushing that in the Spider Verse movies, you know, so
like it just really is it's keeping these characters alive
in a way that like and getting introducing them to
new characters that aren't just in the in the current movies.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
You know. Yeah, yeah, I mean I'm fine with it.
I don't care. Yeah, like I've watched somebody, I will
watch all of them because of Star Trek.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
But oh yeah, I mean it's a child show. It's
for kids, for sure, it's for preschoolers.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, I was. It's just you know,
it's funny to guse I grew up on Star Trek
And I know you said that when you were that age,
your parents forced you to watch Star Trek and you
hated it.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
Yeah, it didn't take long, but like, yeah, it was
not what I wanted to watch. Like I was like
five and my parents wanted to sit down and watch
TNG and like I was five, and I was like,
I want to watch I don't even know what I
would want to watch at that point, honestly, especially at
like eight o'clock at night, Like what was on that
I would even want to put on? You know, maybe
a movie or something. I don't even remember what I

(33:11):
liked pre Star Trek. It's what I like, like he
man and shit, I know. Anyway, Yeah, so we they
would put it on and it was sort of like, Okay,
I want to watch TV, but like they're watching this,
so I guess I'll sit and watch Star Trek. But
then after a few episodes, I remember like connecting with
Jordi and Data, and those were like my my inputs

(33:31):
to Star Trek, Like those were my those were my
steps into the universe, like liking those two characters, liking
the the the cool guy with the visor, get making
friends with the robot. And then like I watched a
few episodes and I enjoyed that, and then like after that,
I sort of just started to like all the characters.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
Yeah, dude, Like I I mean when I was little
and I was like, you know, two or three or whatever,
and like we were watching I was watching the Star Trek,
like the original series. It was in syndication, I had
door it. I was also watching shit like Cobots and
Transformers and he Man and Ghostbusters and Ninja Turtles and
all that shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, But like
I also recognize that those were kids shows. And then

(34:13):
when night, when after dinner, I got to watch adult shows,
which was Star Trek, and I would just I love
the shit out of that. So, like I was really
excited when TG came out. I didn't understand that it
was Captain Picard. I thought it was just an older
Kirk without hair, but I was still excited about it.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
I think in many ways, Star Trek was my first
adult show, Like it sounds like maybe been one of
the first for you too, But I mean we watched
a lot of there's a I've made this case before
on this podcast and I still stand by it. I
really want them to make Star Trek that is accessible
to everybody, because I think that is an important aspect
of Star Trek, is sitting around with your family and

(34:55):
like your dad's watching a thing and you sit down
to watch it with them, and you you can you
can enjoy it on your own level while he's enjoying
on his level, And there's different things you get from
it as you get older. And I think that's a
cool and important thing about Star Trek that I don't
think they've pulled off in the last few years, especially
as reliant as they become on just like, hey, it's

(35:16):
a reference, don't Isn't this cool because it's a reference,
Like that's not cool for like a kid who's never
watched anything.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
You know. Yeah. Also, I don't know if that was
my first adult show because I as far back as
I can remember, certainly further back than living in the house.
When TG appear first showed up, I'd always watch a
TOS and Another apartment or something that we lived in.
But dude, I watched The Rockford Files, I watched The
Little House of the Prairie, the show I think.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
I want to say a lot of those shows, A
lot of those shows is what I say we did two.
A lot of those shows aren't kid shows either, but
they're not really adult shows. And I think Star Trek
used to fall in that like amorphous category, but it
was a little bit elevated above like Andy Griffith. I think,
like from a like how engaging it could be for

(36:08):
an adult.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
Yeah, oh yeah, I have no idea.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
I would say it's a little engaging on a ethics
level and stuff. But you know, even Andy Griffith show
would have those like moral questions and stuff they had
to figure out.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know. All Right, over to some
TNG slash legacy stuff. Marina Siratus on Instagram says the
opportunity or the sorry, the chances of a Next Generation
reunion coming or zero to none. She says the uh,

(36:48):
the opportunity was missed at the end of the card.
If we were going to continue with TG. I think
that would have been the opportunity to do that. But
obviously that didn't happen, So the chances of us all
getting together again, I think are pretty zero to none.
Said she says. I'm not saying that I would never
go back. I think that if they asked me to
be on one of the other shows, depending on the
role or the storyline, I would absolutely consider it. I mean,

(37:10):
I wouldn't just go back to say Captain, he's hiding something,
but you know, if it was metier than that, I
would definitely give it my consideration. I've never said I
would never go back to Star Trek, So yeah, and
I don't necessarily trust this guy, certainly not on DC
on screen, but the what is his name? Jeff Snyder

(37:35):
over on the Hollywood Insider is saying that it looks
like Terry Metalis might be getting an overall deal at Marvel,
really hinder any possibility of him doing any kind of
Star Trek in the future.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
I am really excited for his what he's doing with
Vision Vision. It seems we did we did an episode
on it the other day with himcucast and just like
sort of breaking down what they've got, what they're doing
so far with that show, and who all on it
and stuff, and it's just really exciting. And he was
saying that there was a quote where he said something like,

(38:08):
there's we have so many Trek fans on the crew
of that show that like we can we speak in
like Trek language about what we're doing when we're making
the show. And so just like which is kind of
what I've been saying, I wanted this whole time, like
that that scene with White Vision in Wanda Vision made me.
I said it at the times, this is such a
star Trek moment. Like it's such a Star Trek moment,

(38:30):
the two robots talking to each other and convincing one
another of things in this like robot way. I loved
it so much, and so I'm very excited for that
character going forward. And now that I know Terry Matalis
is doing it and doing it in a way that
he feels like a Star Trek y, I'm just so.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
In with that. Mm hmm. Now, Jeff Snyder Gray of Salt,
but he says that looks like in that overall deal,
he would be show running a show based on the
character of Nova. Hmm. So I don't know if that
means exactly.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
And yeah, no, no clue that we've talked about for
a long time. The idea of a nova show makes
loss sense, and they've they've talked about it over the years.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
But that's it feels more star treky than most Marvel.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
Yeah for sure, for sure. I mean like a Federation
of Space Cops sort of thing. But the idea with
the nova, if it's a nova prime or whatever, is
that or that that nova that like the nova character,
not just the nova core. The idea would be that
there'd just be one of them, like you'd be like
the last survivor of the nova core or whatever. Writer

(39:39):
Richard Ryder, Right, I.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
Don't remember, man, I I I decided to veer heavily
into DC and I uh, I don't remember the a
lot of the periphery of Marvel. I just I can't
keep it in my head anymore. Yeah, it's a lot.
It's a lot, man, Yeah it is, Yeah, Richard Ryder,

(40:02):
a human with the force of the nova force, a
human with the power of the nova force. And Sam
Alexander inherited it inherits it later in comics. Okay, Yeah,
just just reading reading a Google search. Yeah, uh, you
want to know a few tiny bits of information about

(40:25):
what Noah Hawley was going to be doing with his
Star Trek movie. Oh man, I guess I do. I
guess I want to know.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
I am enjoying Alien Earth so much that every week
I'm just like, this is so freaking good. It's so
like complex, and it's asking all the kinds of questions
I love, just like they were talking about earlier with
Like it's asking questions about like do you have empathy?

Speaker 1 (40:50):
Should you have empathy for the xenomorph? Like stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
I'm just like, oh, yeah, Like, I don't know if
you're you're not watching it yet, right, No?

Speaker 1 (40:58):
Oh, it's so good. It's so so good it.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
And it does it's it does that, but it also
introduces a whole new what we're always talking about with
Star Trek, like adding new pieces to the wall, adding
new bricks to the wall of Star Trek cannon and
not always having to be so referential. But it has
it has done with that show like x anymores are there,
they exist, but it has added multiple alien species on

(41:24):
top of that, and it's added a whole new other
type of life form that they're dealing with. Do you
want to hear the it's alway it's the first episodes.
I don't think it's spoilers, but do you want to
the short pitch. Yeah, there's a lot of star uh
star trek, a lot of alien uh. Some of the
movies have been about like these big corporations trying to

(41:46):
extend life, like with the synths and stuff, you know,
and you've seen you've seen a lot of sense. So
what they're trying to do is create what they're calling hybrids.
And so in the first episode they explain all this. Uh,
so they're complate creating hybrids. And what they've done is
they've created synth bodies and they've downloaded brains into them
yet into them, but because of the neuroplasticity problems, they

(42:12):
can't do it to adults yet. So the entire series
is based on these like six children that had diseases,
like terrible diseases, and they download their brains into like
these like synth bodies, and it's like this just such

(42:34):
a weird and cool idea. And they call them the
Lost Boys, like Peter Pan stuff, you know, and they
all have lost boy names like Windy and curly and
nibs and toodles, like they all go by these names,
and it's it's it they live on an island, like
it's it's all this referential stuff of Peter Pan, but
it's it's like them trying to learn like what they are,

(43:00):
and they're also dealing with like literal like death and
aliens and stuff. So it's like terrifying on this way
that like it's a child, like they are a child's
mind mm hmm. They also have abilities because their sense
so they can also like have they're kind of like
children with superpowers sort of. And it's like dealing with

(43:21):
like their minds integrating into the synthetic bodies and what
does that mean and like how do they how do
they think? And who are they? And are they themselves
or are they a copy of themselves? And like it's
it's dealing with all of that on top of a
freaking alien invasion types plot with multiple other species of

(43:43):
alien also there that they're having like learn about, and
like it has added so many bricks to the wall
of the alien universe that I am fascinated by and
I absolutely love it, love it so much. And that's
just the quick like, what the what the basic idea is?
It also feels kind of anime ish, like these children

(44:05):
super robot people going into battle against aliens. I don't know,
there's something very like anime esque there.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
Yeah, that's cool and it makes me wonder even more
about the Star Trek thing, because first of all, he
could confirm that his movie was on the runway to
start shooting in Australia. This was the summer of twenty twenty,
by the way, and before the project was halted, he

(44:37):
had already cast Kate Blanchette and Ronny Malick. Oh wow.
And he offered up something to Men's Journal said, I
guess the thing that might stick with people is that
there was an unboxing of data the idea of the android,
and that was to become an element in the films

(44:58):
mm plural wow. Like yeah, man, he.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
Was doing the synth shit and this was I guess
before Picard did it. That's interesting. That sounds very much. Yeah,
it definitely was four Pard. It wasn't the No Holley
series before Discovery, because didn't it morph into eventually like
we were waiting at.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
When was this twenty summer of twenty twenty?

Speaker 2 (45:24):
Okay, I really thought that was before that that Noah
Holly had an opportunity, but okay.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
No, so that's that's pretty interesting. He also said it
was an adventure. I love the Wrath of Khan. My
favorite moment is when Shatner puts on his reading glasses
and lowers CON's shields. It costs nothing, but I love
that creative problem solving. They outsmarted their enemies and that's

(45:51):
my favorite kind of storytelling. Hm hmm, yeah, so yeah,
just just those two tiny little snippets. I want so
so much more. And apparently Emma Watts came in and said,
are you people crazy? This is an untested crew, this
is an original idea. We don't know if this is
gonna work or not work. The Paramount killed it.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
That's exactly what Star Trek needs as an untested crew,
like it needs you to make something new that will
get people excited. Like if they just made something not
so based in lore, not a prequel, and just did
a thing that was undeniable, just an undeniably good show,
everyone would be way more excited about the Star Trek universe.

(46:33):
And instead you're just trying to trap in the people
that love Star Trek into watching your Star Trek show
and then you're not doing new things with it or
making it amazing in most cases. And oh man, really depressing.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
Yep, speaking of which I don't know what's about to happen.
Looks like sky damn after now that they've taken Overpare
the amount they're trying to trying to Larry Ellison is
trying to bube fucking WB Mitch all your d C stuff. Yeah.

(47:13):
I don't want that. I don't need that. I don't
want to be dealing with with Larry Ellison in both
Star Trek and DC on screen. Yeah, that sounds terrible.
Uh And obviously you know that that means they would
probably would merge Pairmount Plus in the HBO Max. But

(47:34):
WBD doesn't own any broadcast television assets, and the television
assets like CBS were the biggest sticking points for that
merger with with the FCC, So I mean they could
do it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
I this is where I have to put on my
anti billionaire rant hat. I am really worried for the future.
I'm really really worried for free speech, and not just
free speech from our government, like our government's pressure on

(48:15):
free speech, which is obviously a problem, but like there's
always been a struggle between art and commerce, but now
I feel like the powers that be understand propaganda, they

(48:36):
understand controlling a population better than they ever have before.
And we are getting a pretty scary shaping of the
future right now, and a lot of it's happening at
the behest of the Trump administration. And it is both
against the First Amendment, like literal free speech and like

(48:57):
the government taking over speech each.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
And like what is allowed to be said.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
But it is also even if it wasn't even if
it was just these billionaires buying up everything and then
controlling it, that is still a small number of people
controlling the speech of many and the ideas of many.
And I'm very, very worried for the future, really really

(49:23):
worried both on like a very myopic, like I podcast
about this stuff.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
I love this stuff.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
I love the community that we have, like around our podcasts,
and like the friends I've made and the conversations I
have every week. And it feels I said this a
few weeks ago, but it really does feel like I
don't even know if I want to talk about these things,

(49:52):
if they're this beholden to the billionaire class, and they
always have been to some degree, It's always been these
companies always owned by people, but like, honestly so Larry Ellison.
This week it was also announced that Trump, the Trump
administration has been negotiating with China about the TikTok ban

(50:15):
because Congress passed a TikTok ban last year and they
said that TikTok was going to be shut down at
a certain date unless a American American company or American
investor could purchase it. And it actually should have been

(50:36):
shut down already by the law. But Trump doesn't care
about law. So that's the first problem. I don't want
TikTok shut down anymore than you know most of anyone does.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
But like.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
It's still like I want the president to have to
follow the laws that Congress passes. So that's that's a
little complicated. But I it was just announced this week
that they've made a deal. It's not all signed, but
they've come up with the framework of a deal of
who would own it, and it came out that it's

(51:11):
Larry Ellison. So this is not some like big bidding
war between different conglomerates trying to own TikTok for money.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
Reasons.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
This is a backdoor deal with the Trump administration in China,
and it makes me incredibly distrustful of Larry Ellison and
his goals. And we've been talking about it on this podcast,
like just the idea of one billionaire being able to
snatch up properties and snatch up things we love is upsetting. Yeah,

(51:44):
really upsetting, but the idea. But we've been like, well,
maybe some of his like Trump schmoozing that we've seen
in the news or whatever, Like maybe some of that
was just like he's trying to make a deal and
he has to do it to make the deal. Maybe
he's a guy who loves Star Trek and he'll have
open idea and whatever. And like after this TikTok thing
where he is the secret bidder who's been working behind

(52:07):
the scenes with the Trump administration to buy TikTok, that
is Trump putting his stamp of approval on Larry Ellison
as a guiding force for culture and uh yeah, so
all of our discussions about maybe it's maybe he's not
so bad, I'm looking at him as pretty bad at
this point. I'm pretty pretty fearful of what this means

(52:29):
for Star Trek and just looking at the landscape of
media right now, Disney is capitulating. Disney just fired Kimmel.
They're capitulating at every corner, and the Trump administration is
putting the screws to these people and they're capitulating instead
of fighting. So Disney's own right now, they're they're getting

(52:51):
completely uh you know, under control of the Trump administration.
By my view, like it's really bad. Then you've got
now Star Track and Paramount and now it looks like
WB it Is is gonna be owned and like that's
just a lot of media we consume and I don't
I don't want media that's just gonna spoon feed me

(53:12):
the hegemony or whatever, Like I want interesting hegemony.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
Yeah, it's like alimony that a hedge pays hegemony even
if politics weren't a thing here. I don't want all
of my studios owned by the same people anyway, exactly
for creative reasons.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
One hundred percent. And and it makes me want to
just support a lot of uh independent media and independent
storytellers and see what we can grow outside of the system,
because like we got like whatever, one hundred years of
this geeky media we love built up, and I love
it all and I want more of it, and it's

(53:55):
but it they haven't. These big conglomerates have smartly bought
up all the ip we love and now we watch
it because we love it, and we talk about it
every week on podcasts because we love it. But it's
becoming part of the propaganda machine. And it always has
been to some degree. There's there's always been like, oh, well,

(54:15):
you can't do that, or you can't you know, original series,
you give, well, they won't buy a woman as the
first officer or whatever. You know, like there's changes being
made to the vision of these creatives and these progressive
people trying to make change in the world through art.
There have always been these shaving around the edges to
what the the money people think people will accept. But

(54:39):
there's a difference between that and fascists owning the means
of producing art. And they talk about fearing socialists or whatever,
or fearing communism, but like, this is owning the means
of production. This is them buying up using their buddies

(55:00):
of money. To this is oligarchy at its finest, buying
up all of the things and likely turning them into
propaganda arms. And I'm very scared. I'm very, very very worried,
and it happened me too. I've been having a rough
time with it today, Like it's a big part of
my life and stuff I love and.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
I am.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
The Kimmel firing after the Charlie Kirk shooting like is like,
first off, horrific, the Charlie Kirk shooting horrific, and then
the way that the Trump administration used it for propaganda
the entire week was horrific. The firing of Jimmy Kimmel
is completely unjust and is an absolute unconstitutional move on

(55:51):
the FCC's part.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
This is he has not been officially fired, Like they
are meeting right now to see if there's a path
forward and that is coming after like if social media
is at all to be believed. A tremendous loss in
Hulu and Disney plus subscriptions good like that, Yeah, Like

(56:16):
lots of people have I have shut off their Disney
and Hulu shit.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
Yeah, well I hear that, and I hope that's true.
I hope he comes back quickly. I hope Colbert gets reinstituted,
Like these people are being fired because of Donald Trump
and like the president is not supposed to run our media.
It's just not supposed to happen that way. We're supposed
to have an independent media and we don't, and that

(56:42):
is really really fucking scary. Yep, Like we you control
what you watch, what you listen to, You control how
people think, and instead of us getting to choose what
we think are our Our Twitter is owned by Elon Musk.

(57:02):
Our Facebook and Instagram are owned by Mark Zuckerberg, who
is there serving at the behest of Donald Trump. Our
Apple is owned by Tim Cook, who's giving gifts to
Donald Trump, giving gold bars to Donald Trump in front
of us all.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
Are uh.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
Yeah, Now TikTok is going to be loaned by Larry Ellison,
who's also going to own Star Trek and DC and
so much more of the content we're just being created
in the world. And yeah, it just makes me want
to burn it all down. Man, I'm so like my
love for it, Like it makes me really like I
just got to find nuth stuff to be into.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
This is really just dark. Yeah. Now, the one thing
I'll say about Larry Ellison, I don't know anything about
Larry Ellison aside from uh, you know what we've talked
about here today, But you know, David Ellison is the
person his son isn't is the person that would be
is over sky Dance, and Larry is, you know, footing

(58:07):
the bill on the WB merger. We don't know exactly.
I don't know. Maybe we do know. I don't personally
know where David Ellison exactly fits into all this. Like
you know, my my politics are very different from my father's.
We don't know. Larry Ellison's pretty old as well, we
don't we don't know how this is all going to
shake out with him, but what David Elson is going

(58:30):
to do.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
David Ellison is the one working at sky Dance. I
don't really know.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
I don't know he's the one in charge of sky Dance,
but it's his dad is Larry.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
Yeah, I hear that, and it's very I hope there's
I hope there's some light between the Ellison's and the
Trump administration. I do I surely, surely hope that's the case.
But like this, the TikTok deal kind of sinks it
for me, Like I don't see how you do this
behind the scenes deal with China in sek GT, not

(59:00):
talking telling anyone who the deal is with knowing that
Donald Trump wants to have control over TikTok. He wants
his team to have control of TikTok. So he does
a behind the scenes secret deal, and who does he pick?

Speaker 1 (59:16):
Ellison?

Speaker 2 (59:18):
It makes me feel like this is just part of
the same media takeover, and it's like, yeah, it's too
many things. It's too many things happening all at once
to be any kind of coincidence.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
It is.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
It's just right in front of us, happening our like
media landscape is changing for propaganda purposes.

Speaker 1 (59:37):
Yeah, I'm just trying to cover up with little washcloths
of hope.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
I believe me, man, I'm right there, like I want hope,
but I do not have much right now. Yeah, so feedback, sure,
I would love to hear from people about something other
than this.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
All right, Well, it's just one piece of feedback that
we didn't They didn't get it in on time. Andre sparks. Andre,
it's gonna be hopeful. I bet it is. I think
that I didn't read it. I'm sorry, Andre, but we
like to be surprised. I read him on the show. Yeah,

(01:00:17):
let's see. Hey, guys, I gotta say my prediction was right,
But what they did still surprised me. I gotta say
they landed the ship. In terms of ending the season,
that really felt like a series finale right there, with
how all the stories ended, but also hunting it was
hinting it was to come with Pike and Spock. I

(01:00:39):
really couldn't tell if that future segment was was for
Pike or but Tell at first, but as it went on,
I figured it was for her character, and that leads
me to believe that Pike will end up the way
he's supposed to. Says, the love of his life sacrificed herself.
He has no choice and will do the same. Here's
my question to you too, though, will we get doctor
who coming into say him? We keep getting all these

(01:01:01):
hints about him. It's got to lead to his appearance, right,
Thanks guys for coming back every week. Can't wait to
get your take on the Lego News and the preschool
show they building. They're building future Trek fans in new ways.
So okay. The the Lego News I didn't even include
because I didn't think it was news. It is news,
but we don't have like a toy based show, and

(01:01:25):
even as a big toy fan, I don't really follow
Lego but it is a big deal. Like, up to
this point, Star Trek has never been officially with Lego.
That's the reason you're not a Lego guy.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
Yeah, you might have a whole different life if you
your your your house might be full of Lego if
you if they'd had Star Trek when you were a kid.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
Well, no, Lego had plenty of Batman and stuff as well,
and I just never really followed the Lego toys. Uh,
but you know, Star Trek though, it's a big deal
because Star Trek, you can't find anything Star Trek. Lego
like they didn't have the license. It was always these
weird fucking off brands. It was just like you know,

(01:02:07):
like Blue Block. I'm like, no one collects that ship.
That's always gonna be like the Lego knockoff that doesn't
fit into the Lego. But now Lego has the license
and they've they've displayed some of the TNG stuff. They're
gonna have like a big enterprise d So, uh yeah,

(01:02:29):
I wasn't gonna mention that, but all right, Andre, fine,
like it forced me into it. I'm glad.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
I'm glad you did that. That feels like a really
uh great pairing. You know, like, I feel like there's
gonna be a lot of people that have been waiting
for this their whole lives. I mean, I've seen insanely
intricate Star Trek Lego things people have built, you know,

(01:02:54):
just just off off book or whatever. But yeah, I'm
sure this is gonna be for some people who love
Lego in Star Trek.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
Yeah, and uh oh absolutely, I'm excited. Actually I saw
it and I got excited for Elijah, my nephew, who
was a freaking genius. Did I tell you He built
an iron Man gauntlet out of Lego that lit up
on the little thing on the on the disruptor on
the hands. That's awesome, Dave, this is sick, dude, he

(01:03:24):
builds all these Lego things. But uh, he's gonna be
an engineer or something. But yeah, anyway, let's what was
the other thing, Doctor Who? Here's the thing about Doctor Who, though,
and I meant to talk about it last time and
we didn't get to it. One. I think Russell T
d Doctor Who was not in a good place. I
think they were trying to build it up to maybe

(01:03:46):
do a crossover. Russell T. Davies tried to do this
back in two thousand and five and Enterprise got canceled.
They were planning a Doctor Who crossover for season five
of Enterprise. Enterprise got canceled. So we flash forward to
like a year or two ago. We have Strange New
Worlds going Star Trek is going strong, Doctor Who is

(01:04:08):
coming to Disney is going strong. Russell T. Davies is back.
Doctor Who did not go strong enough, Like Disney is
not happy with Doctor Who. It didn't do a fantastic
amount of business not you know, BBC says Doctor Who's
gonna continue no matter what. But now we're hearing that
Russell T. Davies is stepping back and he's not gonna

(01:04:29):
do be the showrunner for whatever comes next. We don't
know if Disney's decided to renew it or not. We're
in like a weird holding pattern with Doctor Who. Hmm,
so I don't think they're gonna get to do a
Doctor Who crossover with Strange New Worlds. Yeah, it's like
who would be crossing over? Is like?

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
Which doctor would be crossing over?

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
Is the question?

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
It sounds like Shooty got is Uh is leaving. He's leaving,
and so I guess they're rebooting. But then you Yeah,
if you're gonna have the crossover, you probably want someone
who people are familiar with. So it's it's like you
don't want to do it like the first year of
a new doctor or like whatever you want to but like,
then you know, I don't know, did you Did you

(01:05:15):
follow a couple last couple of seasons of Doctor Who?

Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
No, I and it was not on purpose. It was
not on purpose. I swear to god my the last
episode I watched was a Coupaldi's last episode. You just
like women. I knew that's what you were saying.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
And then that's why you're like, I probably wasn't on purpose.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
No, I just what it was is like I was
really excited about Jodi Whitaker because I loved her in
broad Church. Yeah, and uh I knew she was like
best friends with David Tennant in real life. Yeah, And
it just so happened like I got married at the
same time that her stuff was about to come out,

(01:06:00):
So I was like, cool, I can watch, like, rewatch
all the old Doctor Who with Bethany and we can
catch up because I know Bethany's gonna love Doctor Who
and she has, but we're still in We've got all
this other stuff we watched, so like we're still in
a Capaldi era with her. Yeah, yeah, so we just
haven't gotten back to it yet.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
Yeah, I took a long break. I feel like I
take a long break after every New Doctor. Like like
every New Doctor, I kind of fall off for a
minute that I go back and rewatch and then.

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
Go back rewatch. I haven't finished the shooty stuff. I think.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
I'm like, I think I was the first season he
was on, but I think there's been a season I
didn't watch. Okay, so I think I'm one season behind.

Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
But there was.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
I don't know if you know about it. I don't
want to spoil it for you, and I don't want
to spoil it for anybody else.

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
But there.

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
There are ways they could bring back to the Tenth Doctor.
I'll say that there's a number of yeah, well yeah, yeah, yeah,
so they did. They had a by generation, and then
they've also like put a version of him in a
different universe at one point, and there are different versions
of the Tenth Doctor running around, and he's one of

(01:07:08):
the most beloved and he's still around, and like, I
bet he'd be down for a Star Trek episode. So like,
even if you don't tie it to current Doctor Who
at all. If you just did a one off episode
where David Tennant's doctor showed up, it would be Yeah,
I'd watch it for sure, Like you know, I mean,
I'm gonna watch it regardless it's Star Trek, but like

(01:07:31):
that would be that'd be the dream for me. They've
they've set it up in a way, like I mean, obviously,
if they had a current doctor that was running like
that would probably be the thing to do. But like
it's also if it's gonna be one doctor getting a
cross over, that's my favorite doctor, so and there are
ways to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
So the thing that I would love to see is
and I would love it if this was true, If
this was just like they haven't because of schedules not aligning,
they haven't been able to announce it yet. I would
love it if one of the episodes of season four
was the Doctor Who crossover that we just didn't know
was coming. And what you know, with as many people

(01:08:06):
as are still around, they could have David Bradley show
up as the first doctor. They could have like this
like sort of a Moffett esque time travel episode where
like the doctor shows up and he's like tenant and
then like he goes away and then it comes back
and it's Matt Smith, and then he goes away for
another segment to do something else. When he comes back
as David Bradley as the first doctor, and when he

(01:08:27):
leaves it, he comes back and it shooty just being
like oh sorry, keep trying to get to this, like okay,
here you go, this, this, this, I'm gonna do research
on this. Give me a minute. And then he like
disappears and he comes back and it's Jodi Whitaker. Yeah,
forgot about this. That could be really really fun.

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
I yeah, I would love to see it, Andre, is
the answer.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
I don't know that they'll do it, but I would
love to see it. Yeah, I would. I would love
to see it absolutely. Like it's just it's like, man, yo,
all this time, he keeps being off on whether you
y'all canceled or what? Come on, man, let's do some
Doctor who the Star trek shit. Yeah? But yeah, Andre,
by the way, Yeah, like all of that the future
segment happened for Pike and Patel, like it was all

(01:09:08):
in their heads, but they lived an entire life together. Yeah,
because their power took it had them live an entire
life together.

Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
Yeah, that's how I took it too, As I said
in the episode. For whatever reason, I think it was
because the knocking was knocking, seemed like it was knocking
for him to go answer and she was like stick
or stay with me a while or whatever. It felt
to me like it was more from his perspective. But
I know you didn't feel that way. But uh, but yeah,
I do think both of them experienced it, and it's

(01:09:35):
the thing they will both remember as there as one
version of their lives that they had.

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
Yeah. I think the only reason it was like geared
more towards his perspective at times was for our sake,
so we wouldn't so we'd be sitting there going what's
going on? I knew what was going on the whole time, though,
I was like, oh come on, yeah, But also I
was thinking because of the doctor who references it was
like he would knock four times. But yeah, so they

(01:10:04):
had a whole life together that they both experienced. And yes,
now Pike will go on and that baffle plate will
rupture and he will wand up in the chair. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
Well, thanks Andre, that was funny. That did get me
to a happier place where I just get to speculate
about Doctor Who and uh Doctor Who in Star Trek mixing.
Do you I would want it to be a different
universe personally, right, like you'd have to jump universes. Oh
it has to be yeah, yeah, like they're not gonna
it has to be. I like, I understand you could

(01:10:36):
do an episode, especially with strange to worlds as fast
and loose as they play it, like where he just
showed up, But I do I do think they need
to mention like a dimensional rift or something like that,
because you just don't want to try to put all
of the cannon of Doctor Who is somehow in the
Star Trek universe that does not fit.

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
Yeah, they had Yeah, no, it doesn't fit at all.
And they had mentioned in uh Doctor Who back in
the old Russell T. Davies days, that you know there
are certain safeguards in place to keep him from going
to from universe to universe instead of just in time.

(01:11:14):
But they seem to have thrown all that out, like shoot,
he was just like they literally mentioned it. They have
mentioned it before on Doctor Who has Star Trek being
in a fictional reality and though to have her be like, oh,
it's like a transport on a star trek. Oh yeah,
we have to visit them. Okay, yeah, I mean that's fine.

(01:11:35):
I like that. I like the idea, like they've done
it in DC as well, where it's like, you know, oh,
the Flash's favorite comic book was just it was the
the old Flash and that's why he called himself the Flash,
and actually the writer was just channeling another universe and yeah,
this all happened.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
And there's also like the like Logan version where there
are comic books of those things and stories of these things,
but they actually happened. They're just little different versions, you
know what I mean. Yeah, I really I really liked
that logan. But like, of course, if these big events happen,
there'd be people writing writing stories about these bigger than

(01:12:14):
life characters that were out saving the world or whatever.
Makes total sense that in that world that would be
the comic books.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
I want to see Todd McFarland's version of the story
of Paul Revere, you know, where all the red Coats
are coming and there's like they're all like big giant
foldy coats, like spawned capes.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
Yeah, totally, I'll dig it, dig it all right, So
that's all our news and our feedback.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
That's everything, man, that's everything.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
Happy three hundredth It was good to chat with you.
I'm sorry I was a downer in the middle.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
Oh, it's fine, I'm I I am a down or
two like I I have not known what how to
feel about anything except sadness.

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
Yeah, it's it's frustration. It's really frustrating time right now
and it and it worries me because the things they're doing,
the fascism, they're putting in place where they're controlling the media,
they're controlling speech, they are I mean, I don't e
think we mentioned it, but that's that's why this happened.
Is the FCC came out and threatened. Did we say

(01:13:22):
this on the cast or no, like the FCC threatened them. Yeah,
I think I think we said that. We talked about
it at some point. I can't remember it's on cast,
but basically the head of the FCC said, you can
do this the easy way or the hard way, and
then they got rid of Kimmel and like for now, hopefully, hopefully,
hopefully there's enough anger over this that Donald Trump can't

(01:13:43):
just do this stuff. And it's just he just keeps testing.
It's a fucking Jurassic Park. The raptors are testing the fences,
like the fascists are testing the fences. The fascists are
testing the norms to see what.

Speaker 1 (01:13:54):
What will allow?

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
What's the will society allow without going without rioting in
the streets. But then if they ride in this streets,
they use that as a predicate to do more. If
there's violence, you know, you know, it's it's just it's
just a self perpetuating cycle. And they only have the
goal of Donald Trump only wants what what's good for
Donald Trump. He doesn't care about anybody else.

Speaker 1 (01:14:14):
Well, yeah, I've you know, I've I read some a
few a few statements from insiders, supposed insiders, who are
saying all these places really care about his money. And
you know, Colbert and Kimmel and all these late night
talk shows, according to these people have been hemorrhaging money

(01:14:35):
for years, and they are using this as an excuse
to just go ahead and get rid of it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
Yeah, I don't believe that. They don't believe that. No,
it's not must possible. No, it's not money that these
things make. It's advertising. Like, yes, those those those blocks
of time may cost more than they make in revenue,
but those blocks of time are the time they put
their three guests on to do an a for their

(01:15:00):
movies that are coming out. Or these are basically infomercials.

Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
They always have been.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
They are infomercials that the company gets paid something for.
Like they're not Yes they are losing. They may be
losing money on a spreadsheet somewhere, but they are the
amount of advertising they're able to do for their most
recent movie. Whenever Kimmel, Kimmel is Disney, Marvel is Disney,
whenever they do a big Marvel thing, all the panel

(01:15:28):
comes on, a million ships are launched. They put out
all this content everywhere. So that's a bullshit argument if
you hear it, It's like, yes, they may lose money,
they may all lose money, but they are not about money.

Speaker 1 (01:15:41):
They are an advertising or arm of this. They are there.

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
They are what pushes culture in the direction they push it.
And like all all the movies that we watch, a
lot of them we know about because of these shows.
Even in today's market, like it's they're less Obviously these
things are less valuable now because now we have YouTube
and we can watch these things however, but like a
lot of the most popular YouTube things are clips from
those shows, you know, like even so like even if

(01:16:08):
I'm I'm wondering if if they are losing money, if
they're including all the YouTube views and all the like,
Culturally they're incredibly important. Even if they're losing money, they're
culturally incredibly important. And all these companies vie, they they
use them to leverage power and and like access to

(01:16:29):
a global market to get their movies and their TV
shows watched.

Speaker 1 (01:16:34):
I get all that, you know. I actually that's it's
a pretty good point about why he's buying TikTok. Yeah,
but because I do think that, you know, all these
internet platforms are more profitable overall than network television. Oh
for sure, people don't watch those I mean, like I'm
I was Kimmel like average like a million something like that. No,

(01:16:56):
I do, Yeah, I don't know. I saw the other day.
But then there's a lot of there's a lot of
talking heads and a lot of articles and a lot
of stuff coming out saying this is true and this
is true. And I don't have access to all these spreadsheets,
and I don't care that much. Uh, I'd be sad
if Late Night went away. But yeah, and I don't

(01:17:18):
like the implications of why it's going away. Now.

Speaker 2 (01:17:20):
That's the thing is it's the fascism for me. Yeah,
I don't really if like any of these shows got canceled,
I'd be like, well, you know, it's changing of the landscape.
And I think that's why Colbert didn't get this kind
of uproar is because there was just enough veneer of
like maybe it's a money thing that was around, even

(01:17:43):
though they were the most successful one, the most the
most the most profitable one then. But also it wasn't
a direct call out from the FCC chairman saying you
need to fire Kim right.

Speaker 1 (01:17:54):
It was, ah, there's they kind.

Speaker 2 (01:17:57):
Of want to curry favor with the administration and we
know how much Trump hates Colbert and they want to
get a deal with the government. It was like maybe
it was their own choice, but this was a direct
like mob boss tactics, like you do this if you
want us not to harm you with the force of
the government, and like that is just authoritarianism. Is it

(01:18:20):
is against the constitution, It is anti free speech, it
is it needs to be like that FCC chairman needs
firing Honestly, whoever's running ABC that wouldn't stand up to
that obvious free speech violation, Like they should have taken
it to court immediately. They should be suing the Trump
administration right now instead of working with them. Sue him back.

(01:18:42):
He is suing all of you. Sue him fucking back.
He is a fucking bully. He needs to be punched
in the nose. He needs to be sued, and he
needs to be fucking taken out of office by when
he's finally brought low by the like people finally standing
up to him, tired of capitulation bullshit.

Speaker 1 (01:19:02):
Yeah have you seen that really old George Carlin Pitt
that's going on and been going around about, uh, how
the FCC started.

Speaker 2 (01:19:11):
No, it's amazing how question every one of his bits are.

Speaker 1 (01:19:15):
Though, Oh yeah, yeah, uh, it's all a bit about
how the FCC started because the US government realized that, uh,
television and radio were not covered by a freedom of speech.
And the reason that they realized this was because a
fucking preacher in Minnesota heard something he didn't like on
the radio and complained. Yeah, so like, yeah, the FCC

(01:19:39):
is just the government has always been just the government
trying to control radio and television and what the people here.

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
Yeah, yep, well here's the thing. No one uses the
public airways anymore, like I don't. This is all digital now.
Most vast majority of people like all these like things
about like local affiliates and stuff like screw them, Like,

(01:20:06):
let the local affiliates not have your ABC. Let them
figure out what they're gonna put on. What Kirk Cameron
movie they can afford, like.

Speaker 1 (01:20:16):
They playing Charlie Kurt Tribute.

Speaker 2 (01:20:17):
Yeah, their local affiliates will die if they don't have
Like this is my message to anyone who still listen
to this podcast. If you have any power, like if
you are an industry person, like if you are listening
to podcasts because you're checking in on what Star Trek
podcasts are saying, Uh, tell your bosses to fight this.

(01:20:38):
They have the power. We want to see what the
famous people, what the great actors, what the artists of
our time do, Like these local affiliates that all they
produce is the local news, which is important, but it's
if it's run by Sinclair Media, which is the one
who's trying to buy up all these stations right now,

(01:20:58):
that is making this happen and they're the ones causing this.
It's all it's a complicated miss missmash of things, and
it's all government control of this media. Like tell them, yeah,
most people are watching ABC on YouTube now, like we
don't need your local affiliate channel, Like we don't need
your whatever. Let them die on the vine and let

(01:21:20):
somebody scoop them up and put you back on.

Speaker 1 (01:21:23):
The people who are still watching affiliates are like the
people who are happy that he's that the Kimball's gone
away anyway, like right, because they're angry that he's you know.

Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
They think they they think they are, but they can
then they can just go watch New One American News
or Newsmax and like and.

Speaker 1 (01:21:42):
Further their bubble.

Speaker 2 (01:21:43):
But like they shouldn't, like don't give them access, Like
stop giving the local feelings. I'm talking with the companies.
I'm not talking to people the people. I want them
that they should have access. They do, they'll have access
through all kinds of other means. But like everything's digital now.
Most people watch these things through streaming services which are
not FCC regulated, And like you don't need local affiliates

(01:22:08):
to control your streaming revenue or like your YouTube revenue,
which is more where you get your revenue these days.
I know there's licensing fees and all that stuff, but
like they will die without you, not the other way around.
Like you, the people making the content have power in
this situation. The artists have power in this situation. If

(01:22:29):
you are gonna be in I think that every Marvel
and Star Wars and DC with this new Ellison sale, like,
I think all of them should go on strike. Like
that would be a powerful move. I think that if
every one of those super stars from the Marvel Doomsday

(01:22:49):
went on strike and they were spending millions of dollars
a day because they're on strike, that would that would matter.

Speaker 1 (01:22:58):
Yeah, But like we we.

Speaker 2 (01:22:59):
Don't have power. Those people have power. And they say
that they don't like Trump, they say their pro free speech,
they say all these things. But like if they're willing
to put their money behind it, they could just go
on strike. And I know it would cost them money,
they would like whatever, but go on strike, and the
only way they get you back is not charging you
whatever fees they want to charge you, Like, get the

(01:23:19):
whole team on board, Like Russo brothers, all you guys
go on strike, don't make Doomsday. I would rather you
not make doomsday then this happened.

Speaker 1 (01:23:32):
Yeah, WGA, SGA, all of it, SAG whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:23:36):
SAG, Yeah, yes, yes, And I know they just went
on strike for other reasons, but like, yeah, they should
absolutely be on strike for this, Like they should be
on strike to be like, you don't sell to Sinclair
Media anymore. Like Sinclair Media should die on the vine
because no one will sell content to it. They are
propagandists of our time. They own thirty nine percent of

(01:24:00):
homes in America get their local news through Sinclair Media.
And the only reason it's thirty nine percent is because
you're not allowed to go above thirty nine by law.
And that is what they're trying to get the Trump
administration to give them a pass on so they can
buy up more media stations so that they run the
local news for the entire country that's Sinclair Media, so

(01:24:21):
they can be a propaganda arm of all of this stuff.
And like this is all happening because they Sinclair Media
put pressure on the uh, the ABC folks saying like well,
we're not going to run Kimmel anymore, and then they
fired kim Or they put Kimmel on suspension, Like no,
just tell Sinclair Media you don't get it anymore, like

(01:24:44):
you're just not getting this content anymore. You do what
you want, and then Sinclair Media has to go, oh,
we're not getting any content. We just sell off our assets.
We can't run anything, you know, Like, I know it
would be a big distruction, but it's it's insane.

Speaker 1 (01:24:58):
It's so weird. Like, you know, I'm almost forty two
and I had not I have not thought about fucking affiliates. Yeah,
for so long, right, and then all of a sudden,
this stuff starts coming through, and I'm like, this is
a thing s too, Like people are still worried about this.

Speaker 2 (01:25:18):
Yeah, but here's the thing. All the artists who make
the stuff you want to watch are left leaning. I'm sorry,
it's just true. Right leaning are right ling people in general.
There are very few exceptions. Right leaning people aren't good artists. Yeah,
because they don't have any inner life. I'm sorry, that's

(01:25:39):
that's that's not true.

Speaker 1 (01:25:41):
They don't.

Speaker 2 (01:25:41):
That's that's a big overstatement. They don't question themselves, they
don't progress their ideas. The reason art is art, the
reason it challenges us is because you progress in the ideas.
You're asking about if you just want to watch people
like have a fight out at the Okay saloon or
whatever every week, and you just want to watch the
same Western every week. Yeah, you can watch the same

(01:26:02):
Western every week. But like, if you want to progress,
if you want to have new ideas, if you want
to be challenged, it takes an artist's mind, and that's
why they are left leaning generally. There are very few exceptions,
but generally artists are left leaning because of the way
they think. It's not some cabal who is like controlling
the media to make it left, which is what they

(01:26:23):
like to fucking say, but it is a it is
the way left ling people's brains work. They're more open
to new ideas. It's literally conservatism versus progressivism. Like you
are wanting to progress, you are wanting to explore new ideas,
and it is important that we continue to do that
as society or we will all die on the vine,

(01:26:44):
our ideas will die. We need free speech.

Speaker 1 (01:26:48):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
Hm, I'm getting annoyed at how many podcasts lately end
up being this And I'm sorry, guys. It's the It's
the world we're living in and I'm living in it,
and I don't know how to not comment on it.
I'm trying to at least play with other things before
I do that.

Speaker 1 (01:27:09):
But fuck yeah, I don't know. I'm trying. I'm trying
to not have my whole life taken over by this.
It has been kind of tough.

Speaker 2 (01:27:20):
Yeah, it is tough, and it should be tough. Like
we like I I honestly want to organize like a
local uh like go to the local affiliate that makes
the ABC channel and protest or whatever, like put together
a good protest, like at the local affiliate level. You know,
if every local affiliate was their doors were blocked by protesters,

(01:27:40):
like I think that would make a difference.

Speaker 1 (01:27:43):
Mm hmm. But it just takes a lot of people
getting on.

Speaker 2 (01:27:46):
Board, or a very few actors that are in doomsday. Yeah,
like go on strike, guys, go on strike.

Speaker 1 (01:27:55):
It would it would end this.

Speaker 2 (01:27:57):
You would have Kimmel back in the chair in a
matter of hours if every doomsday person went on strike
right now, and you would scare Donald Trump because he
would know that a few actors have more power than him, because.

Speaker 1 (01:28:09):
You fucking do, and you know it. You know it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:14):
You could either tank their entire most valuable asset of
Marvel or they could work with you, and they could
not like just capitulate fascism just an idea.

Speaker 1 (01:28:28):
Yeah, I I hope something big happens that stops this shit. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:28:33):
Apparently Damon Lindelof came out and said unless they rehire Kimmel,
he won't work with Disney, right. I did see that. Yeah, yeah,
so there are people out there who have balls.

Speaker 1 (01:28:45):
Yeah. I did laugh because I saw one of the
people who came out was Alex Winter, and I was like,
from Bill and Ted, I love it. I don't want to.

Speaker 2 (01:28:55):
I don't want to like poo poo anyone joining the resistance,
but so like, good for you, Alex Winter. But uh,
but yeah, the joke is a weird choice.

Speaker 1 (01:29:05):
It was.

Speaker 2 (01:29:07):
It feels it feels like every Alex Winter. It's more
like like, uh, yeah, I question the motives of coming
out with that statement.

Speaker 1 (01:29:17):
But but I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:29:19):
I don't really like I say, I really do like
I'm good, good, good on you, Alex Winter. Let everyone follow,
doesn't the Bible saying Alex Winter will lead us?

Speaker 1 (01:29:30):
You know, it's been a while since a Reddit. It
was just like I don't know who else come out
or whatever. I just I I appreciate anyone standing in solidarity. Yeah,
but it was funny to me that that that's who
I saw it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:51):
I was like, okay, yeah, Adam up, Adam up, Like
build a new Hollywood, build a new Hollywood outside of
the billionaire like make your own thing.

Speaker 1 (01:30:01):
And I know a lot of a.

Speaker 2 (01:30:03):
Lot of actors and directors over the last few decades
have done that. They have built like their own studios,
They've built their own like production companies, like go make
stuff with those people who are making art for art's sake,
and like doing the thing, and you know, stop letting
stop selling, stop selling your stuff, stop selling properties. So
he's billionaires. It's tempting. I know it's tempting, but stop

(01:30:27):
doing it.

Speaker 1 (01:30:30):
Yeah. The whole thing just reminded me of like when
you know, when Conan would do his like beginning of
the year introduction of new characters, yeah, and returning characters,
and they would do like a bunch of new characters
and then like masturbating Bear would come out and then
like always a vagoda. Yeah, it's like he's not even
a celebrity anymore. He's just a character on your show. Yeah.

(01:30:52):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:53):
I watched I know it's kind of crazy having never
seen this. I had never seen The Godfather, and in
my whole life, I've just been like, yeah, I need
to watch that, you know, And and I kind of
thought about like watching it for a podcast or something
like we we talked about doing a podcast kind of
like where we uh do watch movies. We do big

(01:31:16):
big holes and the things we'd seen, like a big hole.

Speaker 1 (01:31:18):
Like Godfather's yeah in your personal canon.

Speaker 2 (01:31:22):
Yeah, the things everyone says you should watch that you
hadn't watched yet. There was an idea for a podcast
like that. We haven't had time to make it because
we already make too many. I do love that idea though,
and one of those I was kind of saving it
for that. But my fiancee was like, you gotta watch
the god We're watching. It was like, so I finally
watched it this week, and Abe Vigoda is like in
there as a young man, and it's just like I

(01:31:44):
know him from Conan, Like I know him more from
Conan than anything else, and so seeing him, I was like, oh,
it's the character from Conan.

Speaker 1 (01:31:53):
Yeah, it's a little weird. You know. He's also in
Barney Miller for years, and yeah, I've never seen The Godfather. Yeah,
it's it's good, it's good. My mom always told me,
you gotta watch Godfather, but you gotta watch it with me.
And then every time I'm be like, hey, you want
to watch Godfather trilogy, She's like not today. So here

(01:32:14):
I am almost forty two and I haven't watched The Godfather. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:32:19):
Well, I the one big thing I noticed in The
Godfather that had never realized that it was just kind
of I was watching The Godfather and there's all these
people in it that I knew from all these other things,
but a lot of them are so young, and I had,
you know, it's it's just.

Speaker 1 (01:32:32):
Wild to see.

Speaker 2 (01:32:33):
But Talia Shire is a main character as well, okay
from the Rocky movies. Sure, And what I had realized
while I was doing this is she's a Coppola. She's
like a niece or something of Copola who's making the movie,
who is also a Coppola. Is a Nick cage Ah
who changed his name to get away from the Coppola name,

(01:32:54):
but still was a Coppola. And there's a scene in
the Godfather where she's just freaking out and all like
see was the bees the bees like she's screaming like
I can't believe you dead this.

Speaker 1 (01:33:05):
She's playing like a.

Speaker 2 (01:33:06):
Big just hysterical moment, you know, and like it was
just it was just interesting to see from like a
thinking about like Nick Cage and her being like niece
and nephew. I think, is how that relationship works. I
think I think she's a she's an aunt of his
I said, niece and nephew, aunt and nephew. I think

(01:33:27):
is how the tree works. But anyway, I just thought
that was very Uh that was very kind of fun
to see like that Nick Cage style of acting coming
out of his aunt, you know, fifty years earlier. Just
very but you know it's also being written for a woman.
And I said hysterical a minute ago, which I understand
the sexist roots of that word, but I said it

(01:33:48):
intentionally because, like, I think that's what they're playing with
in that moment. She's a hysterical woman, She's freaking.

Speaker 1 (01:33:54):
Think about half of Nick Cage's roles, he's hysterical.

Speaker 2 (01:33:58):
But that's what I'm That's what I'm getting at. Like,
I think it's novel when he does it in a
way that is is fun. But I think the connection
in the acting was very so it was very much there.
But it's a good movie. It's a good movie all right.

Speaker 1 (01:34:10):
By the way, do you know who Talia Shire's son is?
Who Jason Schwartzman. I did know that.

Speaker 2 (01:34:16):
I knew that from the night I watched The Godfather.
I like searched around because I was like, once I
got on the Coppola like, who's a Copola tree of people?
I was like, oh, right, Schwartzman. I forgot about that.
She married a Schwartzman and then had a Schwartzman, had
a young Schwartzman.

Speaker 1 (01:34:33):
And it sorts of makes sense like how he's in
the different Coppola movies that are like sort of like
almost I don't know, like they kind of mingle with
Wes Anderson movies, if that makes any sense. Like yeah,
where you started getting like Roman Coppola and all these
people who are right making all these independent films with

(01:34:56):
Bill Murray and Jason Schwartzman.

Speaker 2 (01:34:58):
And it makes me, it always makes me very sad.
And this is, uh, this is a little bit my
own hang up. Every time I think there's an artist
and I'm like, oh man, this this new artist is
so good, like and I like think there like came
from nowhere. Then I do a little bit of research
and like they're just a they're there a cousin as somebody,
or a nephew of somebody. It's so much nepotism. And

(01:35:19):
even when it is someone who's like not a famous person,
isn't their uncle or aunt. If you do the research,
then you're like, oh, but their producer cousin or they're
like producer or their their dad was an engineer for
these guys or like whatever, like there's always some family connection.
And it's just like, as a person who did music,
music was where I noticed it more as much as

(01:35:39):
it did acting like yeah, it's it's wild how how much
nepotism is all throughout everything.

Speaker 1 (01:35:46):
Oh. Absolutely. But at the same time, you know, like
I don't know, there was like a there was like
a little cultural movement on the internet at the very
least about stupid NEPO babies, like try to cancel the
nepo babies. And I'm like, okay, but you know, if
I ever got anywhere in my life, I'm bringing all
my friends with me.

Speaker 2 (01:36:05):
Sure, sure, And I mean you see you see people
who do that like Sam Raimy or yeah, James Gunn
even does that a little bit like bring bring people.
But like, uh, the thing about the Nippo baby, I
think that you don't cancel a nipple baby, Like what's
the point, Like, there's no point in canceling that baby.

Speaker 1 (01:36:23):
The thing is saying it makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:36:25):
You just want them to acknowledge the Nippois, you know
what I mean? Like have you heard oh, gosh, what's
his name, Huey from the Boys Jack Quaid? Yeah, I
have you ever heard him talk on being a Nippo baby.

Speaker 1 (01:36:41):
I want to say I did, and he was quite
ardent about being a Nipo baby exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:36:48):
He's like he's like, yeah, I'm a Nippo baby, of course,
He's like I of course, Like there's no way I
would be where I am without the support I've had
and the life I've had and the parents have had.
Who who put me here? And like like it got
me here? I still think it takes me working hard
to make it happen, and like I'm absolutely I'm putting
all the work in. I'm trying to do a good job.

(01:37:09):
But like and that's all takes. It's like still it's
the whole like fighting the Neppo Baby Moniker that like
I think makes it is distasteful. It's not it's still
a cancelation and whatever, like that's not worth canceling someone over,
but like, no, it is worth looking at them and
going like, oh, I see why you are where you

(01:37:30):
are if they're bad.

Speaker 1 (01:37:32):
Right, except Jack Quaid is specifically in his case, he
is I think a better actor and performer than either
of his parents and has really blown up because he
is so damn versatile. He's really good. He's really good.
He's really good. Did you watch Notebookane? No? I want

(01:37:52):
to and I haven't seen it yet. I want to
watch it too, No, I haven't.

Speaker 2 (01:37:55):
I feel always feel bad when there's like a movie
in the theaters like that looks like so up my
a A lot of times it like it looks up
my alley ten years ago. It's like I would be
in the theater for that ten years ago. But like
I have a little bit of it. They're just it's
harder to get to the theater these days.

Speaker 1 (01:38:10):
I got a lot going on.

Speaker 2 (01:38:10):
I'll watch things when they go to the streaming. Like
there's a lot of reasons. It's not that the movie
isn't up my alley. But yeah, I still have to
watch Novacaine.

Speaker 1 (01:38:17):
I don't enjoy going to theaters, so I'll go for
like big things that I have to go to see
for the podcast, but generally I don't go to theaters.
I still want to watch Nobody Too, Me too, Me too.

Speaker 2 (01:38:29):
I'll go with you if it's If it's I'd love
to go, I'd love to go.

Speaker 1 (01:38:33):
I don't think it's in theaters anymore. Really that quick,
I don't even know if it went. I don't know.
I don't know how you find how you see it?
Nobody Too.

Speaker 2 (01:38:45):
That there's a great sketch skitch, sketch skit. There's a
great sketch in a in A speaking of Nepo babies.
There's a really great moment in A you know that
do not Destroy?

Speaker 1 (01:38:56):
Is it? Do not destroy?

Speaker 2 (01:38:58):
The guys the new tree, Oh that sort of does.
The digital shorts they sort of replace the Lonely Island guys,
do not destroy. I don't know, Okay, I don't know
who those. I'll have to send it to you. But
there's a really funny sketch where it doesn't look like
Nobody two is in theaters anymore. And it's twenty four
ninety nine to stream it.

Speaker 1 (01:39:18):
Oh, I'll rent it. So it's on video and demand.
I'll rent it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:20):
If you want to come over, Oh, I'll watch it.
The Please Don't Destroy, Not do not destroy, Please don't
Destroy is the sort of trio of like these three
kind of nerdy guys who do SNL right now, okay,
Dakota john They always do like a skit where they're
sitting in the office and then the host of the
show always comes in like, hey, guys, I just want

(01:39:41):
to see do you guys want to do something with
me this week or and there's always sort of like
a it's a bit about them coming up with a
sketch with the It's like a running gag kind of thing. Yeah,
And Dakota Johnson comes in and they're all talking about it,
and then they they do like a thing where they
mention being NEPO babies or something, and Dakota Johnson's NEPO

(01:40:04):
baby and the two two of the three of the
team are and they all put like rings. I think
I think it's fuzzy my brain. They put like rings
into the center of the thing, and it's like they
do like a a green lantern esque chant about being NEPO.

Speaker 1 (01:40:20):
Babies, like it was really really funny.

Speaker 2 (01:40:24):
But like Dakota Johnson is one of those where like
some of the movies she's made and the little amount
of work she put in, like it just they're so bad,
like Madam Webb for instance, of course, and yeah, there
was something else before that. There's there's a there's some
movies where she's just terrible and and that that's the
NEPO that she's like the NEPO baby of the moment

(01:40:45):
for me where I'm like, I have not seen you.

Speaker 1 (01:40:47):
She may have great work in her I think she
was the one that jumped off the NEPO baby shit storm.
Oh yeah, because everyone was it was all Madam Webb.
It was around Madam Webb. That yeah, moved it from that.
That makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:41:00):
Madame Web is terrible and she does not bring it,
you know what I mean, Like, if you're gonna bring it,
bring it. And I think there are other people in
that movie who bring it. And like the movie is
so bad that it's hard to see that. But like
I think, uh, there's some really good there's some really
good actors and really good performances in that movie. But
like she is so bad and there's a number of
I just think it's singing like that. When I see

(01:41:21):
a NEPO baby who is not putting in the work,
that's when it pisses me off. It's like you're just
standing up there doing you're doing like making money off
your parents' name basically, and it's just really sad to me.
All Right, well, we're done here, I guess.

Speaker 1 (01:41:41):
Just cut it off right there, We're done here.

Speaker 2 (01:41:44):
We've been mumbling for like thirty minutes about stuff that
isn't even you know, we're just going so I'm like.

Speaker 1 (01:41:48):
We gotta get out here. What are we doing? What
are we doing? Live, long and prosper.

Speaker 4 (01:41:56):
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