November 28, 2025 • 43 mins
On this episode of Star Trek Universe, Effie and I encounter the most advanced multitronic unit of the 23rd century: Richard Daystrom’s prototype M-5 computer. Otherwise known as Dick “Defense-Ain’t-Murder” Daystrom’s Destruction Device. We’ll get into this catalyst for Kirk’s existentialist nightmare, maman, and maybe even explain how this could have been the perfect series finale.
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Effie Ophelders
Note: This episode of Star Trek Universe continues young Effie's first watch of Star Trek in production order. Guiding her on this journey: Dave, a stalwart fan of almost four decades who rewatches along with her, provides trivia, insights and the occasional excitement-stoking minor spoiler.
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Star Trek The Original Series 2×24 – “The Ultimate Computer”
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Effie Ophelders
Note: This episode of Star Trek Universe continues young Effie's first watch of Star Trek in production order. Guiding her on this journey: Dave, a stalwart fan of almost four decades who rewatches along with her, provides trivia, insights and the occasional excitement-stoking minor spoiler.
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
On this episode of Star Trek Universe, F and I
encounter the most advanced multi tronic unit of the twenty
third century, Richard Daystrom's prototype M five computer, otherwise known
as Dick Defense Saint Murder Daystrums Destruction Device. We'll get
(00:21):
into this catalyst for Kirk's existentialist nightmare after these words
from a weeping has been who peaked too early?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I'm gonna need to reread that in the show notes fast.
That was good.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Life comes at you fast.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
It sure does.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Welcome into Star Trek Universe. This is our classic Trek
Watch slash rewatch. I am David c Robertson. I am
the one who hath rewatched so many times.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
And I am field Pellers, meaning I have one at
one time, just the one, just this, just one time.
It's it's really all I can muster.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
The woefully disgustingly inadequate memory Alpha synopsis. The Enterprise is
used to test the new M five computer.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
What does that mean? We don't need to explain.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Now. If anyone who's gotten this far and thinks I'm
just being irreverent, he's gonna shit all over this episode.
I like this episode a lot.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
It has some some good ship in there. I mean
it is not the first installment in our Kirk's Talks
Computer to Death saga. No, but it does have some
some some things going for it that others didn't. I
think the character of day Strom is very strong. There's
that actor showed up to work that week. It helps
(02:00):
that he's like two feet taller than everyone else, but
he is very much carrying the role with a with
a presence, with a gravitas uh and and unbelievability, and
like I get that sort of stage actor vibe off
him where I'm like, ah, at least we're doing something.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Yeah, I mean, at this stage, most actors on TV
are stage actors. That's how they came.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Oh that makes sense. Yeah, that's that's that's the thing
of the times.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Fair enough.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
There wasn't a lot of television previously. Yeah, I only
do shows like that's not a thing. Yeah, fair enough.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
It's one of the reasons like old shows are so
like overacted, we'll say, melodramatic.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Yeah yeah, playing for the back of.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
The playing to the back, yeah yeah. William Marshall is
the is the actor who played Richard Daystrom.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
That's a good name. God damn it. That suits him.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
It does, Yeah, it does.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Some people just need a name like that.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
So this one is John Meredith Lucas directing. I think
it's a great bottle episode. I think it's a feather
in Lucas's cap. Honestly, they got disabled a bit of
money and they would need it. They would need it
because there are some reports that say the last episode
of this season, Roddenberry's beloved backdoor pilot Assignment Earth, was
(03:27):
the most expensive episode of Star Trek at the time
or for the entire series.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
They say, no, that's right.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
That's right. Yeah, we got like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Was budgeting weirdly.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
I cannot help but think though, if this episode had
gone just a little differently, this would have been a
great series finale. Like, yes, you have the shots of
like the lights going out in the enterprise, like the
corridors going dark, like the this like feeling this like
(04:05):
empty enterprise, this lifeless, somber mass of metal, and Curve
the whole yeah, the whole time wondering what will I
do if I if I'm not a captain?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Ooh ooh, that could have worked. Man, it would have
been a downer of an episode. And let's be real,
given the themes this show loves to explore. As soon
as they introduce a computer that can do a human thing,
you know, the computer will not be able to do
the human thing as well as human because this is
(04:41):
a very pro humanity sort of show. But other than that, yeah,
you could have written it to be very much like
oh oh, I am being replaced and it goes off
without a hitch, which makes for a different kind of
less action pack perhaps an episode, but well not that
(05:02):
it's action packed per se, but you know there there
would have been less conflict except for the inner struggle,
but it would have been fun. Yeah, it would have worked.
M I think I'm another of the seasons, so you know,
what are you gonna do?
Speaker 1 (05:17):
They didn't. That's the funny thing is they didn't know
that right then, Like they didn't know that when they
were making this one.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
I just truly a wonderful time to not know if
you're getting renewed. Is the like second to last episode
of the season. M M. But everything's episodic, so who
cared back in the day?
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Yeah there is that as well. But yeah, I really
liked this episode. I like how I like playing with
you know, Kirk going like, I don't know what I'm
gonna do, Like, who am I if I'm not the
captain of a starship? And that's something the movies bring
up as well, you know, so you will get there.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
I will know.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Yeah, and uh, I don't know. I think it's funny
that like the next two episodes, one of them was
a rejected pilot for this show. Oh and then the
other one was like its own spin off, or it
(06:19):
wasn't even spin off. It was it was not the show.
It was a thirty minute pilot that had nothing to
do with Star Trek. And then they crammed this in.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Book ended it.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
If you don't remember why. They were canceled at the
end of Gamesters of Triskelion and then brought back like
the next week. So they were like scrambling to just
like give us whatever we have on the books.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Yeah, we need to, we need to be sure we
still have a job after this season. Might as well
invent a new show.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
It makes sense that was that was Roddenberry.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Yeah, anyway, like I need to come up with a
new thing. Nobody will like this Star Trek nonsense in
a couple decades.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Yeah mm hm, pretty much. And that's crazy. Like for
on our end as we're recording, we are eight minutes
in and I feel like I don't have much to
talk about, Like it's just a solid fucking episode.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
That is fair. I do like the hallway conversation that
Kirk and McCoy have about his struggle, where he is
legitimately wondering, like, am I am I mad at the machine?
Am I you know? Is it that what everyone thinks
it is that I am scared to lose my job?
Or am I right to be suspicious? Is that my
(07:38):
human intuition? That will be proven right later in the episode.
But it is a good conversation between friends to have
him both confronted with some semblance of insecurity that he's
not used to dealing with, and also a more general
conversation about Yeah, progress tends to fuck with people's jobs
(08:00):
and it's never great.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
I do like that Kirk is open minded enough to
say to question himself. He's not just an angry old
man waving his fist at a cloud. He's saying, only
a fool would stand in the way of progress. If
this is progress? Am I afraid of? Am I afraid
of losing my job? To that computer, and McCoy just says,
(08:23):
we're all sorry for the other guy when he loses
his job to a machine. When it comes to our job,
that's different and it always will be different. Like McCoy
just speaking to the humanity, the contradiction to the hypocalypty.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Makes sense and exactly and at the same time it
is it does feel like McCoy sort of has to
convince him of that almost where it's not Kirk being
immediately fully on board with well, yeah it is. It
is my job and my purpose that's being fucked with,
and that that's why I don't like this, because he
is very much conflicted with his views his beliefs on well,
(09:01):
if it were to be better, then yes, do it.
And in some ways it's like, if you take the
episode edits word, I almost say, well, this kind of
computer seems pretty bad at coming up with its own orders,
but other than that, it seems pretty good at executing
orders with great precision. Like you could you could probably
(09:22):
get rid of Sulu and Checkov instead of Kirk and
just have Kirk talk to the machine all day. It
wouldn't be he wouldn't like that either, But you know,
like in general, a steering computer would be probably a
wiser concept than uh, just automating the entire ship and
(09:46):
being like we're not in.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Control, yeah until you tell it don't fire on that
freighter and it's like fuck you, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Yeah, that means to be programmed the fuck out of there.
That's one sassy computer. It was. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
I like that Daystrm has this this view of it
where he say he's talking about like, you know, men
no longer need die in space or on some alien world.
Men can live and go on to achieve greater things
than fact finding and dying for galactic space, which is
(10:27):
neither ours to give or to take. Like very cool,
very like humanitarian sounding opinion. Of course, you know, it
comes out that he's done some fucked up stuff with
this computer, placing his own ingrams is a memory and
grams into this thing, and this thing has his own
(10:49):
view of morality and ethics and God. And it's like,
what are we doing here? Because and I love that
this backstory for Daystrom. He's like he peaked at twenty
four man.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Mmmm, that's rough. That's a bad age. Half peaked.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
He designed all these starships that all of these you know,
and by the way, for nineteen sixty eight or whatever
it was nineteen sixty nine. Now I had to be
ninety sixty eight to have a black dude being the
guy that's like everyone is like Colin sirr because he
designed their fucking ships.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Like and it takes a bit to get to that
reveal in quotation marks where it's like, oh God, they
cast a big guy for this and a person of
color to actually, you know, be this this sort of
really important historical figure in the development of this universe.
That's that is a statement.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Yeah, that's awesome. So I love that. I also, though,
love the idea that this guy has done everything he
was meant to do. And you know, even Kirk is like,
isn't that enough for all lifetime? No, the fuck is not.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Not when you're that burly exactly, you're not gonna sit
your ass for eighty years like fuck me and this that,
and and there's gifted children, former gifted children, you know
living right now. We're fucked just by the the expectations
put upon them when they were fourteen, let alone them
going on to define space travel at at twenty four.
(12:21):
At that point, yeah, you're you're gonna be like, Okay,
what the fuck do I do now? You're you're gonna
need to still You're still you still feel like you
have those those expectations placed on you in every context,
so you're you are constantly looking to, Okay, well, what
what do I revolutionize now? And if if that doesn't
(12:42):
work out, you can either become this guy or or
Elon Musk basically, and neither option is great for your
mental health.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
I didn't think about it. I didn't think about Elon Musk, like, yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Like he's parallels are right there.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
How he's been fucking with groc Is, Like, oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
The AI parallels are also really really is self evident
because people are you know, talking left and right about
AI is going to replace so many jobs, and the
only jobs it's replacing our jobs that it is terrible at,
but that it's it's always cheaper to get an AI
(13:26):
in the minds of you know, fucking CEOs and higher management.
So yeah, some of those jobs are replaced quote unquote,
but the quality sucks, and it's just a matter of
time before we get to the point where we, you know,
do the math and realize that probably burning billions of
(13:48):
dollars is not a way to actually make progress because
we're not getting anywhere. But before I get on a
whole ass ai tangent. It is fun how that keeps
this episode so relevan to our times, even it's no
longer the oh, the factory needs fewer hands actually to
do the work at the at the goddamn it, the belt,
(14:12):
the name conveyor thank you, she whiz. It's not my
first language.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Come on, I did say anything.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
I know. It was my brain that was definitely telling me, like,
come on, dude, how do you forget this?
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Not even a wayward look over here?
Speaker 2 (14:29):
I am well aware. I just it's again that is
the expectations that have been placed on me when I
was fourteen and started to speak English. I guess.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
I mean, I just don't know. You know you're saying,
come on, I'm telling I'm telling the listening audience. I
am not being a dick over here. I no, no,
no about the referees.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
In German, Dave is not a dick.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
I am, but not for this.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Not to me most of the time, so and especially
not on this issue. So yeah, I get.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Exactly, but I know about three phrases in German and
a few words in Spanish. Which is fucking wold. That
that's what I ignore.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
And hey, I don't know a fucking thing in Spanish.
Come on, Then again, I Spain is not very close by,
I guess. On the other hand, it's probably a lot
closer than anybody in the northern US is New Mexico,
So really, what are we talking about?
Speaker 1 (15:36):
I don't know Obama. Sadly I know more Klingon than
I know any real life languages.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
That's good, That's that's pretty good. I approve that's fun.
But also how much Klingon is actually out there in
terms of like.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Is that a full Oh yeah, it's a whole.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Who came up with that ship?
Speaker 1 (16:04):
When I think it was around Star Trek three, But
they they got like Mark Leonard created some of the
phrases for the motion picture. This was the guy that
played spots Dad Zerh and the romulent Commander from Balance
of Terror. He plays one of the Klingons in motion picture,
(16:27):
and he came up with some of it, and then
they got I think his name is Michael Oakrand. Maybe
I would have to.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
I was curious because it's not like Star Trek is
a is a fucking Tolkien property where some linguists spent
way too much fucking time developing three languages just to
put it in there. But at some point some arn did.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Mark Oakrand is the linguist, And yeah, he developed the
Klingon language. Yeah, and he expanded on some of the
guttural sounds that Mark Leonard used in the emotion picture
and came up with the Klingon dictionary. And yeah, there's
a language. It's a whole language. You can learn it.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
I am.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
University courses.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
There are university courses on the ship. I'm sorry. Does
that make me feel better about the quality of higher
education in the US? Not really, but also pretty damn cool.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Yeah, I mean why I mean why not? Why not?
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Why not? Why not?
Speaker 1 (17:30):
It's a language all the ship's made up?
Speaker 2 (17:33):
That is absolutely true. Yeah, and if you want to
talk to other nerds in kling On, you you might
as well be good at it, because those nerds will
be like, actually, the gurgle you did is the wrong gurgle. Uh,
And you gotta just a little more goodurl.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
It's a little more complex than than than gurgles. Now, then, I.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Am sure it is. I haven't gotten to that movie yet. Yeah,
I have only heard tiny tiny pieces of klingon. I
honestly could not reproduce any of them yet because I
don't remember.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Yeah, oh we'll get you there.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Oh yes, one day I will read that dictionary.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Though confused, I haven't read that.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
But oh thank goodness.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
So I love this conversation that they have where Spock
is basically defending himself against McCoy and he says, I
simply maintained that computers are more efficient than human beings,
not better, And McCoy says, but tell me which do
you prefer to have around and Spocks, as I presume
your question is meant to offer me a choice between
machines and human beings, and I believe I have already
(18:46):
answered that question. McCoy's just being a dick. And then
he realizes it because he's a conversation Spock. I'm sorry,
I wasn't.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Trying to be that much of a dick, Like.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
How what did you think of this? Uh of our
compliments to the M five unit in regards to Captain
Dunzil And then we have to find out what Dunzel means,
like oh fuck? Like, man, you're just being a dick
to Kirk, like this is like one of the most
celebrated captains in the fleet.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Yeah, yeah, it's real. It's it's also just just weird
coming from another guy who is technically higher in rank
but also does the same fucking commanding function in on
his own ship. So what the fuck is your problem?
You know, it's it's it's it doesn't seem very specific
about Kirk, but yet he makes it like like he like, Kirk.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Is the problem, right, Like he's savoring the victory of
and then and then notice when the M five starts
acting Wonkie as ship, he's like, what the Blazer is
Kirk doing?
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Like, yeah, like Kirk, Yeah, yeah, that was weird to me,
where I was like, how do you not realize this
is the fucking computer you're testing. The fuck is Kirk
supposed to be doing. He's literally not in control of
the engines anymore, which is a terrible way to do
a test, by the way, to just have no manual
(20:16):
override until the computer decides you know what, I'm gonna
fuck with all the possible manual overrides like here that
should not be possible, and I guess that's because of
the human ingenuity in the machine. But still it doesn't
doesn't seem like a very well thought out procedure. Bad protocols.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
People, He didn't mean to kill your man. He simply
got in the way. He was looking for more power.
That's all of the wrong.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Yeah, that makes so much sense.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
At least, I guess not. Murder of self defense has
quite a bit addression difference, Captain, Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Self defense Like yeah, like the what's his face? This instrument
is very very protective of his his his computer. And
that makes sense given that a he does see it
as a child and sees a lot sees too much
of himself in there.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
I mean it is.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Yeah, yeah, it is very much I will live on.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
But at the same time he does continued.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Look, he he.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Goes off the deep end to such an extent where
it he leans into that sort of illogical Okay, now
you're just not making a lot of sense for a
real smart guy anymore. Like he goes to de Lusial
pretty quickly.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Did you catch I don't think it was that quickly,
Like did you catch like early in the episode he
before that, I think before the initial test. There's very
early though, where they asked days from to the bridge
and when you see the triple lift door open, he's
like doing He's like he's he's like bent down with
his hand over his face, like like he's having some
(21:58):
kind of meltdown in the in the turbolift. And then
he like snaps too because the thing came open, and
he like walks of the bridge and acts like everything
is fine. Like this like a bit of foreshadowing that
like something is fucking wrong with Dick. Dat.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Yeah, that's fair, that's fair.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
All right, I'm gonna get some trivia here. The mathematician
Lawrence N. Wolfe wrote the original story for this episode,
which was based on his fascination with computers. However, it
emphasized the M five Unit and its creator, doctor Daystrum,
and barely featured the Enterprise crew. It was heavily rewritten
by DC Fontana, who focused the storyline around Kirk's fear
(22:40):
of being replaced by a machine, which makes sense and
was a good call.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Yeah, yeah, I do enjoy episodes that feature the characters
I carabout. We'll get back to that point.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
The episode was a social commentary on the American job
losses caused by increased mechanization during the nineteen sixties.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
How was mechanization increasing then like worse than it already
had that. I mean, my my timeline of the of
the entire century is a bit wobbly, but especially on
US history, given that I didn't grow up there and
didn't get most of the history classes. But like I figured,
you know, industrial revolution by then had already started. Like
(23:24):
how much more mechanization? Is it just an ongoing continuous
like every other generation complains about it given that, you know,
in the eighties everyone was like, oh no, computer chips,
and then it was the Internet, and then you know,
like we kept going like that. We then now it's
aim I'm not terribly afraid of despite being literally a translator.
(23:45):
But uh yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
No, well, you know, monks were you know, robbed of
their job by the printing press, you know, like a
cotton gin do you know it's the automation always takes jobs.
But yeah, there was a lot of there were a
lot of like mechanizations in the in factory work, especially
(24:13):
in the nineteen sixties, and I think it was like
sixty two ish guys I had read probably it really
started getting uh there was a kickup of of worry
about uh automation taking jobs. But you know, you're right,
it is ongoing. It is specifically very ongoing.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
I guess I mostly meant to say that I'm just
not that familiar with a specific flare up in the
sixties where it's like, what what kind of new technology
was being put to work? Basically, what what was the
increased mechanization essentially, what was being mechanized? What was the
new invention?
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Oh, I have no idea exactly, not exactly. No, I
don't know, Like I know that there there was stuff
in like factories like certain like I figured, you know,
machinery that was the conveyor.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Belt, got some extra arms and flaps and ship I
don't know what sixties technology.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
And then they started having like the giant computers that
would take up an entire room.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
That's fair had to do all that mass with your
your pen and pace with pen and paper words, salad.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
There was a lot of stuff going on that was
just but it's always going on, That's the thing. That's
what like everybody who complains about it, a guest doesn't understand. Like,
you know, I had an aunt in the nineteen eighties
who worked for AT and T who was very upset
because they were going to start taking away jobs and
replacing her with what she called a robot. What it
(25:50):
really was was, you know, just the automated voice thing,
yeah that we all were.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
On the phone, so yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
And then like you you have stuff like you know,
married with children, making jokes about like all these new
automated systems like press one for this press and a
character who's sitting on the phone for the entire episode
trying to get through this thing.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
That's fair. It's still worse like that.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
My goodness, it does, so does.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
I Like recently my girlfriend had to call for I
think a parking permit or some shit, or the the
car she has to use to charge her ev something
with the car. At least I am very very familiar
with cars. Apparently, the point was she was just being
(26:39):
shuffled back and forth from the wrong desk to the
wrong desk, and so many of those fucking recorded messages
and the kind that forced you to listen to all
of them before making a choice, because they really want
you to be sure that you're actually option two and
not option five. Oh my god, that was that was
(27:01):
aggravating just standing next to her, awful. You were looking into.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
A thing, I am thing Yeah, there were visible job
losses and manufacturing hmm, expansion of automation in new sectors
blah blah blah blah blah. Yeah, it's same thing we're
talking about.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
We were on the money across the board.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
It's like we, you know, we have small leaps in
technology and and how it's like easier to build you know,
automation with cheaper parts.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
And then yeah, anyway, fair enough do to do?
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Producer John Meredith Lucas bought Wolfe's unsolicited teleplay because it
could be made fast and cheap using only the existing
Enterprise sets, and decided to direct the episode himself.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Huh yeah, yeah, that is pretty cheap. Also, they only
had to make the computer take it or was that
just another prop they had lying around already because I
recognized it or anything.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
No, they made it, but you did recognize that they
reused it in Assignment Earth right. It is the exact
computer that Gary seven has, Yeah, the Beta.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Five yet Yeah, yeah like that.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Yeah, we didn't even change it up. It's the same graphic.
It's just to the it's next to the giant round.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
It just has an extra scream screen. Yeah, that's basically
it just the round glass thing is the addition. But
for an episode that's not about assignment Earth, we do
keep getting back to it many times.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Yeah, the big round thing is there from both.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Really, I am blind. I did not pay attention to
this episode appareently.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Yeah, they picked it up off the counter and just
stuck it next to it, like is literally there?
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Okay, cool is it's crazy?
Speaker 2 (29:04):
It's about the same. I guess they did something with
the model. I'm sure there's had cannons for that. Shit.
That's just fun. That's too fun not to be. Like,
those two computers are related.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
If someone had done something, I would assume it would
be Greg Cox, but I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
I don't know either.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
The evocative music by George Dunning composed for Metamorphosis was
reused when Kirk romanticizes about sailing on a tall ship. Right,
that's not the last time you'll hear him say that,
by the way, Kirk quoting the Sea Fever.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Yeah, I know the comparison makes sense. I wasn't familiar
with the poem per se, but yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
You'll hear him once again say all I ask is
a tall ship and a starter to hear her.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
By Okay, at that point, it's just kind of gets
to lazy writing, or it's just canon that Kirk knows
one fucking poem.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Oh no, some Shakespeare. Yeah. So here's the fun thing.
I think Star Trek two is when it's like Kirk's
fiftieth birthday and McCoy brings him some eyeglasses because he's
allergic to whatever it is that makes people in the
future be able to see without glasses. Sure, but they're
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antiques and Kirk we see his Kirk's apartment and on
Earth and he is an antique collector.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Oh that's cool.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
That makes sense for him to be, like, I am
very into twentieth century shit.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
I mean, what does it make sense is that like
every version every show has some character who's really into
twentieth century shit. Yeah, like Cisco on DS nine is
into jazz and baseball.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
You know, it's very fucking coincidental and save you from
having to come up with a Star Trek version of
Baseball to under three hundred, four hundred years from now.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Well, you know you want that, you want something to
relate yeah with people today. But you know, Tom Parris
is in the things of the fifties and sixties, which
were very you know, in vogue in the late nineties
because nostalgia. Anyway, every Star Trek show has got that character.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
That makes sense. Then again, I feel like it's also
very relatable to be the person listening to someone talk
about some sports ball game and not understanding a fucking
thing about what they're saying. So really, for everyone but
sports fans, it would have been really funny for some
guy to be just like, oh, but when you score
with the quarts and the cut, or like just just
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make up nonsense words, nonsense rules and just just make
it sound like an actual game.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
But it's also fun because if you don't relate to
that thing that they're talking about, they still have the
care who's sitting there who doesn't know what the fuck
they're talking about, because they're exactly And that's.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
That's a relatable person just being like, well, on our planet,
we don't do that kind of shit. You're like, I
want to live.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
There, all right. Let's see. Barry Russo, who played Commander
Wesley in the episode, had previously portrayed Commander Giato in
The Devil in the Dark. I did not even reco.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
I didn't recognize it. Like if you put the pictures
next to each other. Yes, but also Commander Giotto was
not that important. I never gave a fuck.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Clearly, James doing Scotty was was the voice of the
five computer and commodore in Wright, who we didn't get
to see fair enough.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
I guess they just get him to do anything because
his voice non Scottish doesn't sound like the same voice,
So you know you need the voice over. That's that's fair,
that's a it's a smart shortcut. You already have a
guy on set.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Might as well you not to pay another person exactly.
Fifteen of the twenty crew members who stay aboard the
Enterprise during the M five exercise include Kirk Spot, McCoy,
Scott Sulu, check Off, Hurrah, Harper, Phillips, Rawlins, Carstairs, Brent
Hadley and Leslie, the two security guards who escort DAYSTRM
from the bridge, and an unnamed nurse who appeared by
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Daystrom's bedside in sick Bay.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Already someone counted the bowl right like which which fifteen
people yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
In the Menagerie Part one and two. General Order seven
was the only exception of Starfleet General Orders to include
the death penalty. M five states that the penalty for
murder is also death. However it is you noticed that, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Just the death penalty in general. I'm like, have we
known gone beyond that? But apparently day Stream hasn't, So
the computer hasn't.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Yep, It's remark that murder was contrary to the laws
of man and God suggests that it might be referring
to it's and perhaps Daystream's interpretation of what the punishment
for murder should be rather than Federation.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Law, I would hope.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
So, uh, this is the fourth time Kirk talks of
computer to death as you mentioned.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Yeah, I mean you mentioned it once before, so I
was like, yeah, I'm on the lookout like this this
this is called the ultimate computer. This computer is getting
talked to death. That we know.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
He used the skill in the Changeling The Return of
the Archons, and I mud oh man, so.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
I that's the throwback.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Yeah. The remastered version of this episode replaced the stock
footage used of the episode. In the original episode they
used instead of Starbase six. They called it Starbase six,
but they used deep based Deep Space Station K seven
from The Trouble with Triples in the original broadcast. Oh yeah, So,
but what was cool is they remodeled Starbase six to
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look like one of the starbas forty seven from the
Star Trek Vanguard novels. H So they like, that's.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Just from the cover of a novel, or like yeah,
where they're yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
That's.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
That's what starbases look like. I guess.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
The Woden, which used footage of the S S Botany
Bay from Space Seed, was redesigned as an Ataris type vessel.
The crippled US S Excalibur, which we used footage from
the of the USS Constellation from the Doomsday Machine and
the Space Battle, were redesigned with new computer generated images.
I just I c yeah, you know. One of the
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things one of the problems, one of the you never
you can't find the original versions for streaming. But that
is one of the things that I like about it
is like you really see how much they saved the
money because you're like, oh, I know that shot.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Yeah it's shot. Oh yeah, we've been here. Yeah. Yeah,
that's fun. That makes sense in theory about your rewriting
of history in that way where I was like, ah, well,
we'll make it look slightly better than it did back
in the day by making it actually different shots not
so much the upgrade to early two thousands or whatever
(36:28):
cgi this was, but yeah, you know the upgrade to
These are different images. You won't recognize the same shot
every week, like gotta gotta rewrite your own history. Sometimes sometimes,
yeah sometimes.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
In the official fan club magazine, Marshall said he was
not originally the person they had in mind for the part.
He said the part had been originally written for a
white actor and maybe the that maybe they weren't able
to get that, and my agent, who they had contacted,
put forth my name to Geene Rodberry, who said, my god,
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I never thought of it. It would just be great.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
It is lovely to both do a good thing and
also admit I never would have considered a black man
could do a computer thing like what are you? I
would have never thought of that for this role, but
it is possible. I don't think my horizon got whiter.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
I will forever ship on Roddenberry when I can, because
he was an awful person. But I don't think that's
what he was actually saying. I think he was just
like I feel like, oh, it didn't even occur to me.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Yeah, yeah, no it didn't. It didn't, but it is
it is a good change to have made. And I
mean it makes sense that they couldn't find a white actor.
There are so few white men getting a chance in
the industry, you know, especially back then, so sometimes you
just have to settle for a person of color, right,
(38:05):
It's it's just it just do be that way. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Yeah, you know, you just think, you know you have
someone in mind for a part. You just like automatically
think of someone, maybe someone you worked with before, ye
ever think about like for this sort.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Of Oh that's the type I'm looking for, and then
it's like, oh, that guy looks perfect in a very
different way.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Yeah, yeah, it makes sense. Well, I don't think that
I have anything else to say about this episode. I
enjoy it. I think it's a very good, very very
good episode, especially on the constraints that they had exactly.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
It is a solid episode within that sort of boundary
of we don't have money, so I guess we need
to ride good dialogue for ones. You know. It is
that sort of we okay, we we need to focus
on the craft because we don't have the spectacle, and
we tends to you know, good ship. Yeah, yeah, I
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don't mind that.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Be you bring in DC Fontana, who's just kind of
fucking knock it out of the park most times, Like.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
I will eventually look at a list of everything they
did and then you know, anyway.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
So let's see next time.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
Oh boy, oh boy, next time, racist, imperialist, non canonical,
and boring.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Just a few words to describe the omega glory. We'll
be getting into this perpetually rejected Roddenberry obsession next time
for our watch. Rewatch until then, Joe Lontrue, live long
and prosper and of course.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Eat eat dick. It's Thanksgiving, you gotta eat right. Yeah,
it'll come out way later, but that doesn't matter. Just
gotta eat those dicks your grandma made. God damn it.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Oh god.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Oh it is a joy when I can surprise you
as well. Anyway.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Now, I'm just you know, how so how people just
grab onto a turkey leg and yank it off of
the corpse, you know, as what I'm thinking of, but
with cocks, that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
That's a good visual. I'm glad you included that. Hi,
I'm good now that the colonialist thing also reminded me
that that is, that is a thing that seems good
about day Strom at first, where there's like, oh, yeah,
he doesn't want people to die out there trying to
conquer some some far off planet, and that does does
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relate nicely to oh that is a good decolonialist, you
wear good ship, and then it it sort of turns
into oh, oh, never mind. He just he just only
thinks of glory within his realm of you got to
stay here and do research and scientifically do great things
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on this fucking planet. You can't be an adventurer. Like
there is a sort of judgment.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
I think. Look, I think it's both. I think he's
just looking for he's looking for greatness, he's trying to
reclaim his greatness. But also, you know, he does he
does think he's helping.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
Oh absolutely, But he does have that sort of he
doesn't ever consider doing anything else, Like he is the
type who would bite into his obsession with Okay, I'm
I'm this is the thing I'm good at. I need
to make an even better computer and steering system, and
I need to further improve those those ships because otherwise
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they'll never stop doing this and all people are dying,
all these red shirts I don't know the name of anymore.
It's it's it makes some sense, but it also is
very much fed by both his ambition and his unwillingness
to see that there are other purposes in life that
are maybe equal and worthy of praise as whatever glory
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he has tasted as a as a twenty year old.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
And so.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
I don't know how you're gonna put that note nugget
somewhere anywhere in there, but.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
Oh mind, it's gonna be right where it is.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
That makes sense. Yeah, yeah, good outro We did a
great job this time.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
See you, guys.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
I'm so grateful, Thank you, Thank you, folks. That will
be all God, we should have another conversation about another episode.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
Yeah, we should let.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
Me stop this recording.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
Jesus, all right, stop it. Then.
Speaker 4 (42:47):
Thank you for listening to the Star Trek Universe Podcast,
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Speaker 1 (43:09):
Anywhere you get.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
Music that was kind of out of rhythm, but it'll
just need the peaks. I am well aware, are you well? Partially?
I have a vague inkling of what you do in post?
Speaker 1 (43:28):
I am well aware. I am vaguely aware.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
I know nothing. The only thing I know is that
I know nothing, and I also stole that from someone else.
God damn it. And I don't even know who Socrates was.
His day was so crets, so creates very crates
On this episode of Star Trek Universe, F and I
encounter the most advanced multi tronic unit of the twenty
third century, Richard Daystrom's prototype M five computer, otherwise known
as Dick Defense Saint Murder Daystrums Destruction Device. We'll get
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into this catalyst for Kirk's existentialist nightmare after these words
from a weeping has been who peaked too early?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I'm gonna need to reread that in the show notes fast.
That was good.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Life comes at you fast.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
It sure does.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Welcome into Star Trek Universe. This is our classic Trek
Watch slash rewatch. I am David c Robertson. I am
the one who hath rewatched so many times.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
And I am field Pellers, meaning I have one at
one time, just the one, just this, just one time.
It's it's really all I can muster.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
The woefully disgustingly inadequate memory Alpha synopsis. The Enterprise is
used to test the new M five computer.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
What does that mean? We don't need to explain.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Now. If anyone who's gotten this far and thinks I'm
just being irreverent, he's gonna shit all over this episode.
I like this episode a lot.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
It has some some good ship in there. I mean
it is not the first installment in our Kirk's Talks
Computer to Death saga. No, but it does have some
some some things going for it that others didn't. I
think the character of day Strom is very strong. There's
that actor showed up to work that week. It helps
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that he's like two feet taller than everyone else, but
he is very much carrying the role with a with
a presence, with a gravitas uh and and unbelievability, and
like I get that sort of stage actor vibe off
him where I'm like, ah, at least we're doing something.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Yeah, I mean, at this stage, most actors on TV
are stage actors. That's how they came.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Oh that makes sense. Yeah, that's that's that's the thing
of the times.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Fair enough.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
There wasn't a lot of television previously. Yeah, I only
do shows like that's not a thing. Yeah, fair enough.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
It's one of the reasons like old shows are so
like overacted, we'll say, melodramatic.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Yeah yeah, playing for the back of.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
The playing to the back, yeah yeah. William Marshall is
the is the actor who played Richard Daystrom.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
That's a good name. God damn it. That suits him.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
It does, Yeah, it does.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Some people just need a name like that.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
So this one is John Meredith Lucas directing. I think
it's a great bottle episode. I think it's a feather
in Lucas's cap. Honestly, they got disabled a bit of
money and they would need it. They would need it
because there are some reports that say the last episode
of this season, Roddenberry's beloved backdoor pilot Assignment Earth, was
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the most expensive episode of Star Trek at the time
or for the entire series.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
They say, no, that's right.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
That's right. Yeah, we got like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Was budgeting weirdly.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
I cannot help but think though, if this episode had
gone just a little differently, this would have been a
great series finale. Like, yes, you have the shots of
like the lights going out in the enterprise, like the
corridors going dark, like the this like feeling this like
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empty enterprise, this lifeless, somber mass of metal, and Curve
the whole yeah, the whole time wondering what will I
do if I if I'm not a captain?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Ooh ooh, that could have worked. Man, it would have
been a downer of an episode. And let's be real,
given the themes this show loves to explore. As soon
as they introduce a computer that can do a human thing,
you know, the computer will not be able to do
the human thing as well as human because this is
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a very pro humanity sort of show. But other than that, yeah,
you could have written it to be very much like
oh oh, I am being replaced and it goes off
without a hitch, which makes for a different kind of
less action pack perhaps an episode, but well not that
(05:02):
it's action packed per se, but you know there there
would have been less conflict except for the inner struggle,
but it would have been fun. Yeah, it would have worked.
M I think I'm another of the seasons, so you know,
what are you gonna do?
Speaker 1 (05:17):
They didn't. That's the funny thing is they didn't know
that right then, Like they didn't know that when they
were making this one.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
I just truly a wonderful time to not know if
you're getting renewed. Is the like second to last episode
of the season. M M. But everything's episodic, so who
cared back in the day?
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Yeah there is that as well. But yeah, I really
liked this episode. I like how I like playing with
you know, Kirk going like, I don't know what I'm
gonna do, Like, who am I if I'm not the
captain of a starship? And that's something the movies bring
up as well, you know, so you will get there.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
I will know.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Yeah, and uh, I don't know. I think it's funny
that like the next two episodes, one of them was
a rejected pilot for this show. Oh and then the
other one was like its own spin off, or it
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wasn't even spin off. It was it was not the show.
It was a thirty minute pilot that had nothing to
do with Star Trek. And then they crammed this in.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Book ended it.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
If you don't remember why. They were canceled at the
end of Gamesters of Triskelion and then brought back like
the next week. So they were like scrambling to just
like give us whatever we have on the books.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Yeah, we need to, we need to be sure we
still have a job after this season. Might as well
invent a new show.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
It makes sense that was that was Roddenberry.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Yeah, anyway, like I need to come up with a
new thing. Nobody will like this Star Trek nonsense in
a couple decades.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Yeah mm hm, pretty much. And that's crazy. Like for
on our end as we're recording, we are eight minutes
in and I feel like I don't have much to
talk about, Like it's just a solid fucking episode.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
That is fair. I do like the hallway conversation that
Kirk and McCoy have about his struggle, where he is
legitimately wondering, like, am I am I mad at the machine?
Am I you know? Is it that what everyone thinks
it is that I am scared to lose my job?
Or am I right to be suspicious? Is that my
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human intuition? That will be proven right later in the episode.
But it is a good conversation between friends to have
him both confronted with some semblance of insecurity that he's
not used to dealing with, and also a more general
conversation about Yeah, progress tends to fuck with people's jobs
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and it's never great.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
I do like that Kirk is open minded enough to
say to question himself. He's not just an angry old
man waving his fist at a cloud. He's saying, only
a fool would stand in the way of progress. If
this is progress? Am I afraid of? Am I afraid
of losing my job? To that computer, and McCoy just says,
(08:23):
we're all sorry for the other guy when he loses
his job to a machine. When it comes to our job,
that's different and it always will be different. Like McCoy
just speaking to the humanity, the contradiction to the hypocalypty.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Makes sense and exactly and at the same time it
is it does feel like McCoy sort of has to
convince him of that almost where it's not Kirk being
immediately fully on board with well, yeah it is. It
is my job and my purpose that's being fucked with,
and that that's why I don't like this, because he
is very much conflicted with his views his beliefs on well,
(09:01):
if it were to be better, then yes, do it.
And in some ways it's like, if you take the
episode edits word, I almost say, well, this kind of
computer seems pretty bad at coming up with its own orders,
but other than that, it seems pretty good at executing
orders with great precision. Like you could you could probably
(09:22):
get rid of Sulu and Checkov instead of Kirk and
just have Kirk talk to the machine all day. It
wouldn't be he wouldn't like that either, But you know,
like in general, a steering computer would be probably a
wiser concept than uh, just automating the entire ship and
(09:46):
being like we're not in.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Control, yeah until you tell it don't fire on that
freighter and it's like fuck you, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Yeah, that means to be programmed the fuck out of there.
That's one sassy computer. It was. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
I like that Daystrm has this this view of it
where he say he's talking about like, you know, men
no longer need die in space or on some alien world.
Men can live and go on to achieve greater things
than fact finding and dying for galactic space, which is
(10:27):
neither ours to give or to take. Like very cool,
very like humanitarian sounding opinion. Of course, you know, it
comes out that he's done some fucked up stuff with
this computer, placing his own ingrams is a memory and
grams into this thing, and this thing has his own
(10:49):
view of morality and ethics and God. And it's like,
what are we doing here? Because and I love that
this backstory for Daystrom. He's like he peaked at twenty
four man.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Mmmm, that's rough. That's a bad age. Half peaked.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
He designed all these starships that all of these you know,
and by the way, for nineteen sixty eight or whatever
it was nineteen sixty nine. Now I had to be
ninety sixty eight to have a black dude being the
guy that's like everyone is like Colin sirr because he
designed their fucking ships.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Like and it takes a bit to get to that
reveal in quotation marks where it's like, oh God, they
cast a big guy for this and a person of
color to actually, you know, be this this sort of
really important historical figure in the development of this universe.
That's that is a statement.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Yeah, that's awesome. So I love that. I also, though,
love the idea that this guy has done everything he
was meant to do. And you know, even Kirk is like,
isn't that enough for all lifetime? No, the fuck is not.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Not when you're that burly exactly, you're not gonna sit
your ass for eighty years like fuck me and this that,
and and there's gifted children, former gifted children, you know
living right now. We're fucked just by the the expectations
put upon them when they were fourteen, let alone them
going on to define space travel at at twenty four.
(12:21):
At that point, yeah, you're you're gonna be like, Okay,
what the fuck do I do now? You're you're gonna
need to still You're still you still feel like you
have those those expectations placed on you in every context,
so you're you are constantly looking to, Okay, well, what
what do I revolutionize now? And if if that doesn't
(12:42):
work out, you can either become this guy or or
Elon Musk basically, and neither option is great for your
mental health.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
I didn't think about it. I didn't think about Elon Musk, like, yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Like he's parallels are right there.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
How he's been fucking with groc Is, Like, oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
The AI parallels are also really really is self evident
because people are you know, talking left and right about
AI is going to replace so many jobs, and the
only jobs it's replacing our jobs that it is terrible at,
but that it's it's always cheaper to get an AI
(13:26):
in the minds of you know, fucking CEOs and higher management.
So yeah, some of those jobs are replaced quote unquote,
but the quality sucks, and it's just a matter of
time before we get to the point where we, you know,
do the math and realize that probably burning billions of
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dollars is not a way to actually make progress because
we're not getting anywhere. But before I get on a
whole ass ai tangent. It is fun how that keeps
this episode so relevan to our times, even it's no
longer the oh, the factory needs fewer hands actually to
do the work at the at the goddamn it, the belt,
(14:12):
the name conveyor thank you, she whiz. It's not my
first language.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Come on, I did say anything.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
I know. It was my brain that was definitely telling me, like,
come on, dude, how do you forget this?
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Not even a wayward look over here?
Speaker 2 (14:29):
I am well aware. I just it's again that is
the expectations that have been placed on me when I
was fourteen and started to speak English. I guess.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
I mean, I just don't know. You know you're saying,
come on, I'm telling I'm telling the listening audience. I
am not being a dick over here. I no, no,
no about the referees.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
In German, Dave is not a dick.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
I am, but not for this.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Not to me most of the time, so and especially
not on this issue. So yeah, I get.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Exactly, but I know about three phrases in German and
a few words in Spanish. Which is fucking wold. That
that's what I ignore.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
And hey, I don't know a fucking thing in Spanish.
Come on, Then again, I Spain is not very close by,
I guess. On the other hand, it's probably a lot
closer than anybody in the northern US is New Mexico,
So really, what are we talking about?
Speaker 1 (15:36):
I don't know Obama. Sadly I know more Klingon than
I know any real life languages.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
That's good, That's that's pretty good. I approve that's fun.
But also how much Klingon is actually out there in
terms of like.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Is that a full Oh yeah, it's a whole.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Who came up with that ship?
Speaker 1 (16:04):
When I think it was around Star Trek three, But
they they got like Mark Leonard created some of the
phrases for the motion picture. This was the guy that
played spots Dad Zerh and the romulent Commander from Balance
of Terror. He plays one of the Klingons in motion picture,
(16:27):
and he came up with some of it, and then
they got I think his name is Michael Oakrand. Maybe
I would have to.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
I was curious because it's not like Star Trek is
a is a fucking Tolkien property where some linguists spent
way too much fucking time developing three languages just to
put it in there. But at some point some arn did.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Mark Oakrand is the linguist, And yeah, he developed the
Klingon language. Yeah, and he expanded on some of the
guttural sounds that Mark Leonard used in the emotion picture
and came up with the Klingon dictionary. And yeah, there's
a language. It's a whole language. You can learn it.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
I am.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
University courses.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
There are university courses on the ship. I'm sorry. Does
that make me feel better about the quality of higher
education in the US? Not really, but also pretty damn cool.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Yeah, I mean why I mean why not? Why not?
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Why not? Why not?
Speaker 1 (17:30):
It's a language all the ship's made up?
Speaker 2 (17:33):
That is absolutely true. Yeah, and if you want to
talk to other nerds in kling On, you you might
as well be good at it, because those nerds will
be like, actually, the gurgle you did is the wrong gurgle. Uh,
And you gotta just a little more goodurl.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
It's a little more complex than than than gurgles. Now, then, I.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Am sure it is. I haven't gotten to that movie yet. Yeah,
I have only heard tiny tiny pieces of klingon. I
honestly could not reproduce any of them yet because I
don't remember.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Yeah, oh we'll get you there.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Oh yes, one day I will read that dictionary.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Though confused, I haven't read that.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
But oh thank goodness.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
So I love this conversation that they have where Spock
is basically defending himself against McCoy and he says, I
simply maintained that computers are more efficient than human beings,
not better, And McCoy says, but tell me which do
you prefer to have around and Spocks, as I presume
your question is meant to offer me a choice between
machines and human beings, and I believe I have already
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answered that question. McCoy's just being a dick. And then
he realizes it because he's a conversation Spock. I'm sorry,
I wasn't.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Trying to be that much of a dick, Like.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
How what did you think of this? Uh of our
compliments to the M five unit in regards to Captain
Dunzil And then we have to find out what Dunzel means,
like oh fuck? Like, man, you're just being a dick
to Kirk, like this is like one of the most
celebrated captains in the fleet.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Yeah, yeah, it's real. It's it's also just just weird
coming from another guy who is technically higher in rank
but also does the same fucking commanding function in on
his own ship. So what the fuck is your problem?
You know, it's it's it's it doesn't seem very specific
about Kirk, but yet he makes it like like he like, Kirk.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Is the problem, right, Like he's savoring the victory of
and then and then notice when the M five starts
acting Wonkie as ship, he's like, what the Blazer is
Kirk doing?
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Like, yeah, like Kirk, Yeah, yeah, that was weird to me,
where I was like, how do you not realize this
is the fucking computer you're testing. The fuck is Kirk
supposed to be doing. He's literally not in control of
the engines anymore, which is a terrible way to do
a test, by the way, to just have no manual
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override until the computer decides you know what, I'm gonna
fuck with all the possible manual overrides like here that
should not be possible, and I guess that's because of
the human ingenuity in the machine. But still it doesn't
doesn't seem like a very well thought out procedure. Bad protocols.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
People, He didn't mean to kill your man. He simply
got in the way. He was looking for more power.
That's all of the wrong.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Yeah, that makes so much sense.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
At least, I guess not. Murder of self defense has
quite a bit addression difference, Captain, Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Self defense Like yeah, like the what's his face? This instrument
is very very protective of his his his computer. And
that makes sense given that a he does see it
as a child and sees a lot sees too much
of himself in there.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
I mean it is.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Yeah, yeah, it is very much I will live on.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
But at the same time he does continued.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Look, he he.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Goes off the deep end to such an extent where
it he leans into that sort of illogical Okay, now
you're just not making a lot of sense for a
real smart guy anymore. Like he goes to de Lusial
pretty quickly.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Did you catch I don't think it was that quickly,
Like did you catch like early in the episode he
before that, I think before the initial test. There's very
early though, where they asked days from to the bridge
and when you see the triple lift door open, he's
like doing He's like he's he's like bent down with
his hand over his face, like like he's having some
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kind of meltdown in the in the turbolift. And then
he like snaps too because the thing came open, and
he like walks of the bridge and acts like everything
is fine. Like this like a bit of foreshadowing that
like something is fucking wrong with Dick. Dat.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Yeah, that's fair, that's fair.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
All right, I'm gonna get some trivia here. The mathematician
Lawrence N. Wolfe wrote the original story for this episode,
which was based on his fascination with computers. However, it
emphasized the M five Unit and its creator, doctor Daystrum,
and barely featured the Enterprise crew. It was heavily rewritten
by DC Fontana, who focused the storyline around Kirk's fear
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of being replaced by a machine, which makes sense and
was a good call.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Yeah, yeah, I do enjoy episodes that feature the characters
I carabout. We'll get back to that point.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
The episode was a social commentary on the American job
losses caused by increased mechanization during the nineteen sixties.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
How was mechanization increasing then like worse than it already
had that. I mean, my my timeline of the of
the entire century is a bit wobbly, but especially on
US history, given that I didn't grow up there and
didn't get most of the history classes. But like I figured,
you know, industrial revolution by then had already started. Like
(23:24):
how much more mechanization? Is it just an ongoing continuous
like every other generation complains about it given that, you know,
in the eighties everyone was like, oh no, computer chips,
and then it was the Internet, and then you know,
like we kept going like that. We then now it's
aim I'm not terribly afraid of despite being literally a translator.
(23:45):
But uh yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
No, well, you know, monks were you know, robbed of
their job by the printing press, you know, like a
cotton gin do you know it's the automation always takes jobs.
But yeah, there was a lot of there were a
lot of like mechanizations in the in factory work, especially
(24:13):
in the nineteen sixties, and I think it was like
sixty two ish guys I had read probably it really
started getting uh there was a kickup of of worry
about uh automation taking jobs. But you know, you're right,
it is ongoing. It is specifically very ongoing.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
I guess I mostly meant to say that I'm just
not that familiar with a specific flare up in the
sixties where it's like, what what kind of new technology
was being put to work? Basically, what what was the
increased mechanization essentially, what was being mechanized? What was the
new invention?
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Oh, I have no idea exactly, not exactly. No, I
don't know, Like I know that there there was stuff
in like factories like certain like I figured, you know,
machinery that was the conveyor.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Belt, got some extra arms and flaps and ship I
don't know what sixties technology.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
And then they started having like the giant computers that
would take up an entire room.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
That's fair had to do all that mass with your
your pen and pace with pen and paper words, salad.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
There was a lot of stuff going on that was
just but it's always going on, That's the thing. That's
what like everybody who complains about it, a guest doesn't understand. Like,
you know, I had an aunt in the nineteen eighties
who worked for AT and T who was very upset
because they were going to start taking away jobs and
replacing her with what she called a robot. What it
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really was was, you know, just the automated voice thing,
yeah that we all were.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
On the phone, so yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
And then like you you have stuff like you know,
married with children, making jokes about like all these new
automated systems like press one for this press and a
character who's sitting on the phone for the entire episode
trying to get through this thing.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
That's fair. It's still worse like that.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
My goodness, it does, so does.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
I Like recently my girlfriend had to call for I
think a parking permit or some shit, or the the
car she has to use to charge her ev something
with the car. At least I am very very familiar
with cars. Apparently, the point was she was just being
(26:39):
shuffled back and forth from the wrong desk to the
wrong desk, and so many of those fucking recorded messages
and the kind that forced you to listen to all
of them before making a choice, because they really want
you to be sure that you're actually option two and
not option five. Oh my god, that was that was
(27:01):
aggravating just standing next to her, awful. You were looking into.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
A thing, I am thing Yeah, there were visible job
losses and manufacturing hmm, expansion of automation in new sectors
blah blah blah blah blah. Yeah, it's same thing we're
talking about.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
We were on the money across the board.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
It's like we, you know, we have small leaps in
technology and and how it's like easier to build you know,
automation with cheaper parts.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
And then yeah, anyway, fair enough do to do?
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Producer John Meredith Lucas bought Wolfe's unsolicited teleplay because it
could be made fast and cheap using only the existing
Enterprise sets, and decided to direct the episode himself.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Huh yeah, yeah, that is pretty cheap. Also, they only
had to make the computer take it or was that
just another prop they had lying around already because I
recognized it or anything.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
No, they made it, but you did recognize that they
reused it in Assignment Earth right. It is the exact
computer that Gary seven has, Yeah, the Beta.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Five yet Yeah, yeah like that.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Yeah, we didn't even change it up. It's the same graphic.
It's just to the it's next to the giant round.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
It just has an extra scream screen. Yeah, that's basically
it just the round glass thing is the addition. But
for an episode that's not about assignment Earth, we do
keep getting back to it many times.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Yeah, the big round thing is there from both.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Really, I am blind. I did not pay attention to
this episode appareently.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Yeah, they picked it up off the counter and just
stuck it next to it, like is literally there?
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Okay, cool is it's crazy?
Speaker 2 (29:04):
It's about the same. I guess they did something with
the model. I'm sure there's had cannons for that. Shit.
That's just fun. That's too fun not to be. Like,
those two computers are related.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
If someone had done something, I would assume it would
be Greg Cox, but I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
I don't know either.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
The evocative music by George Dunning composed for Metamorphosis was
reused when Kirk romanticizes about sailing on a tall ship. Right,
that's not the last time you'll hear him say that,
by the way, Kirk quoting the Sea Fever.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Yeah, I know the comparison makes sense. I wasn't familiar
with the poem per se, but yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
You'll hear him once again say all I ask is
a tall ship and a starter to hear her.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
By Okay, at that point, it's just kind of gets
to lazy writing, or it's just canon that Kirk knows
one fucking poem.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Oh no, some Shakespeare. Yeah. So here's the fun thing.
I think Star Trek two is when it's like Kirk's
fiftieth birthday and McCoy brings him some eyeglasses because he's
allergic to whatever it is that makes people in the
future be able to see without glasses. Sure, but they're
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antiques and Kirk we see his Kirk's apartment and on
Earth and he is an antique collector.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Oh that's cool.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
That makes sense for him to be, like, I am
very into twentieth century shit.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
I mean, what does it make sense is that like
every version every show has some character who's really into
twentieth century shit. Yeah, like Cisco on DS nine is
into jazz and baseball.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
You know, it's very fucking coincidental and save you from
having to come up with a Star Trek version of
Baseball to under three hundred, four hundred years from now.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Well, you know you want that, you want something to
relate yeah with people today. But you know, Tom Parris
is in the things of the fifties and sixties, which
were very you know, in vogue in the late nineties
because nostalgia. Anyway, every Star Trek show has got that character.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
That makes sense. Then again, I feel like it's also
very relatable to be the person listening to someone talk
about some sports ball game and not understanding a fucking
thing about what they're saying. So really, for everyone but
sports fans, it would have been really funny for some
guy to be just like, oh, but when you score
with the quarts and the cut, or like just just
(31:47):
make up nonsense words, nonsense rules and just just make
it sound like an actual game.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
But it's also fun because if you don't relate to
that thing that they're talking about, they still have the
care who's sitting there who doesn't know what the fuck
they're talking about, because they're exactly And that's.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
That's a relatable person just being like, well, on our planet,
we don't do that kind of shit. You're like, I
want to live.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
There, all right. Let's see. Barry Russo, who played Commander
Wesley in the episode, had previously portrayed Commander Giato in
The Devil in the Dark. I did not even reco.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
I didn't recognize it. Like if you put the pictures
next to each other. Yes, but also Commander Giotto was
not that important. I never gave a fuck.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Clearly, James doing Scotty was was the voice of the
five computer and commodore in Wright, who we didn't get
to see fair enough.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
I guess they just get him to do anything because
his voice non Scottish doesn't sound like the same voice,
So you know you need the voice over. That's that's fair,
that's a it's a smart shortcut. You already have a
guy on set.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Might as well you not to pay another person exactly.
Fifteen of the twenty crew members who stay aboard the
Enterprise during the M five exercise include Kirk Spot, McCoy,
Scott Sulu, check Off, Hurrah, Harper, Phillips, Rawlins, Carstairs, Brent
Hadley and Leslie, the two security guards who escort DAYSTRM
from the bridge, and an unnamed nurse who appeared by
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Daystrom's bedside in sick Bay.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Already someone counted the bowl right like which which fifteen
people yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
In the Menagerie Part one and two. General Order seven
was the only exception of Starfleet General Orders to include
the death penalty. M five states that the penalty for
murder is also death. However it is you noticed that, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Just the death penalty in general. I'm like, have we
known gone beyond that? But apparently day Stream hasn't, So
the computer hasn't.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Yep, It's remark that murder was contrary to the laws
of man and God suggests that it might be referring
to it's and perhaps Daystream's interpretation of what the punishment
for murder should be rather than Federation.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Law, I would hope.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
So, uh, this is the fourth time Kirk talks of
computer to death as you mentioned.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Yeah, I mean you mentioned it once before, so I
was like, yeah, I'm on the lookout like this this
this is called the ultimate computer. This computer is getting
talked to death. That we know.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
He used the skill in the Changeling The Return of
the Archons, and I mud oh man, so.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
I that's the throwback.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Yeah. The remastered version of this episode replaced the stock
footage used of the episode. In the original episode they
used instead of Starbase six. They called it Starbase six,
but they used deep based Deep Space Station K seven
from The Trouble with Triples in the original broadcast. Oh yeah, So,
but what was cool is they remodeled Starbase six to
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look like one of the starbas forty seven from the
Star Trek Vanguard novels. H So they like, that's.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Just from the cover of a novel, or like yeah,
where they're yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
That's.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
That's what starbases look like. I guess.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
The Woden, which used footage of the S S Botany
Bay from Space Seed, was redesigned as an Ataris type vessel.
The crippled US S Excalibur, which we used footage from
the of the USS Constellation from the Doomsday Machine and
the Space Battle, were redesigned with new computer generated images.
I just I c yeah, you know. One of the
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things one of the problems, one of the you never
you can't find the original versions for streaming. But that
is one of the things that I like about it
is like you really see how much they saved the
money because you're like, oh, I know that shot.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Yeah it's shot. Oh yeah, we've been here. Yeah. Yeah,
that's fun. That makes sense in theory about your rewriting
of history in that way where I was like, ah, well,
we'll make it look slightly better than it did back
in the day by making it actually different shots not
so much the upgrade to early two thousands or whatever
(36:28):
cgi this was, but yeah, you know the upgrade to
These are different images. You won't recognize the same shot
every week, like gotta gotta rewrite your own history. Sometimes sometimes,
yeah sometimes.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
In the official fan club magazine, Marshall said he was
not originally the person they had in mind for the part.
He said the part had been originally written for a
white actor and maybe the that maybe they weren't able
to get that, and my agent, who they had contacted,
put forth my name to Geene Rodberry, who said, my god,
(37:08):
I never thought of it. It would just be great.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
It is lovely to both do a good thing and
also admit I never would have considered a black man
could do a computer thing like what are you? I
would have never thought of that for this role, but
it is possible. I don't think my horizon got whiter.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
I will forever ship on Roddenberry when I can, because
he was an awful person. But I don't think that's
what he was actually saying. I think he was just
like I feel like, oh, it didn't even occur to me.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Yeah, yeah, no it didn't. It didn't, but it is
it is a good change to have made. And I
mean it makes sense that they couldn't find a white actor.
There are so few white men getting a chance in
the industry, you know, especially back then, so sometimes you
just have to settle for a person of color, right,
(38:05):
It's it's just it just do be that way. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Yeah, you know, you just think, you know you have
someone in mind for a part. You just like automatically
think of someone, maybe someone you worked with before, ye
ever think about like for this sort.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Of Oh that's the type I'm looking for, and then
it's like, oh, that guy looks perfect in a very
different way.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Yeah, yeah, it makes sense. Well, I don't think that
I have anything else to say about this episode. I
enjoy it. I think it's a very good, very very
good episode, especially on the constraints that they had exactly.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
It is a solid episode within that sort of boundary
of we don't have money, so I guess we need
to ride good dialogue for ones. You know. It is
that sort of we okay, we we need to focus
on the craft because we don't have the spectacle, and
we tends to you know, good ship. Yeah, yeah, I
(38:58):
don't mind that.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Be you bring in DC Fontana, who's just kind of
fucking knock it out of the park most times, Like.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
I will eventually look at a list of everything they
did and then you know, anyway.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
So let's see next time.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
Oh boy, oh boy, next time, racist, imperialist, non canonical,
and boring.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Just a few words to describe the omega glory. We'll
be getting into this perpetually rejected Roddenberry obsession next time
for our watch. Rewatch until then, Joe Lontrue, live long
and prosper and of course.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Eat eat dick. It's Thanksgiving, you gotta eat right. Yeah,
it'll come out way later, but that doesn't matter. Just
gotta eat those dicks your grandma made. God damn it.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Oh god.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Oh it is a joy when I can surprise you
as well. Anyway.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Now, I'm just you know, how so how people just
grab onto a turkey leg and yank it off of
the corpse, you know, as what I'm thinking of, but
with cocks, that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
That's a good visual. I'm glad you included that. Hi,
I'm good now that the colonialist thing also reminded me
that that is, that is a thing that seems good
about day Strom at first, where there's like, oh, yeah,
he doesn't want people to die out there trying to
conquer some some far off planet, and that does does
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relate nicely to oh that is a good decolonialist, you
wear good ship, and then it it sort of turns
into oh, oh, never mind. He just he just only
thinks of glory within his realm of you got to
stay here and do research and scientifically do great things
(41:02):
on this fucking planet. You can't be an adventurer. Like
there is a sort of judgment.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
I think. Look, I think it's both. I think he's
just looking for he's looking for greatness, he's trying to
reclaim his greatness. But also, you know, he does he
does think he's helping.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
Oh absolutely, But he does have that sort of he
doesn't ever consider doing anything else, Like he is the
type who would bite into his obsession with Okay, I'm
I'm this is the thing I'm good at. I need
to make an even better computer and steering system, and
I need to further improve those those ships because otherwise
(41:41):
they'll never stop doing this and all people are dying,
all these red shirts I don't know the name of anymore.
It's it's it makes some sense, but it also is
very much fed by both his ambition and his unwillingness
to see that there are other purposes in life that
are maybe equal and worthy of praise as whatever glory
(42:05):
he has tasted as a as a twenty year old.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
And so.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
I don't know how you're gonna put that note nugget
somewhere anywhere in there, but.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
Oh mind, it's gonna be right where it is.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
That makes sense. Yeah, yeah, good outro We did a
great job this time.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
See you, guys.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
I'm so grateful, Thank you, Thank you, folks. That will
be all God, we should have another conversation about another episode.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
Yeah, we should let.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
Me stop this recording.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
Jesus, all right, stop it. Then.
Speaker 4 (42:47):
Thank you for listening to the Star Trek Universe Podcast,
a Stranded Panda production. If you'd like to hear more
from David C. Robertson, check out the DC on Screen
podcast or Malagistic TV for his web videos. If you'd
like to hear more from Matthew Carroll, check out the
Marvel Cinematic Universe podcast or listen to his music Just
(43:07):
So from Matthew Carroll.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
Anywhere you get.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
Music that was kind of out of rhythm, but it'll
just need the peaks. I am well aware, are you well? Partially?
I have a vague inkling of what you do in post?
Speaker 1 (43:28):
I am well aware. I am vaguely aware.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
I know nothing. The only thing I know is that
I know nothing, and I also stole that from someone else.
God damn it. And I don't even know who Socrates was.
His day was so crets, so creates very crates
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