October 17, 2025 • 47 mins
We’re talking Starfleet Academy casting (Tilly's back, sorta) and premiere news, Strange New Worlds season 4’s “go for broke” energy, and the Star Trek: United series that might still be. Interesting news bits abound in the world of Trek, maman!
Starfleet Academy
David C. Roberson
Matthew Carroll
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Starfleet Academy
- Tilly is Reportedly Only in One Episode!
- Details on Caleb Mir and S.A.M.
- How They Changed the S.A.M. Character for Kerrice Brooks
- Alex Kurtzman Praises Cast
- New Trailer for Star Trek: Starfleet Academy
- Stephen Colbert to Play Digital Dean of Students
- Official Synopsis
- Starfleet Academy Release Date Details (January 15)
- First Look Clip of Season 4
- No Release Announced, only "Coming Soon"
- "Going for broke" in Season 4
- Series Would Be Set on Babel, Not Earth
- Would Further Explore the Romulan War and Aftermath
- Enterprise Cast Members Would Possibly Make Return
- Though Technoically Not in Production, Andrew Probert is Working on Designs
David C. Roberson
Matthew Carroll
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh boy. On this episode of Star Trek Universe, Matt
and I are talking about some news. We've got some
We got a Starfleet Academy trailer, we got a clip
from Star Trek Strange New World season four. We got
some stuff.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
After this, Welcome Star Trek Universe.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
The podcast, we get to listen on two lifelong friends
and chat about Star Trek.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Name is Matthew Carroll. I'm David c. Robertson. Hey, buddy,
how you doing. I'm I'm all right, you know, yeah,
got a little cold. It'll be all right, hopefully, No good,
no good.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Well, so we had New York Sea Comic Con. I
have been very busy playing in the wedding and such, right,
so I haven't done much paying attention to any of
the any of the con news. I've been catching up
last day or two now that it's all now that
it's all over and done with, so, uh, you're you're
(01:02):
gonna be telling me the news for the most part,
except for I've seen these two trailers.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Yeah. Yeah, I was blissfully in watching rerun mode and
uh look down one day and went, oh shit, there's
a bunch of news. So yeah, first of all, Matt Minovich,
previously of tv line on his website, has confirmed that
(01:33):
Mary Wiseman will only appear on Starford Academy in one episode.
That's Tilly, Yeah all right, And you know, I am
happy because I don't like the character. But I've seen
a lot of people be like, what was all that
set up? And Discovery for It's real interesting, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Yeah, it feels like that's probably a change, of course
it does. I think a lot of people weren't a
big Tilly had a lot of detractors. I liked the character.
I don't know that they ever gave her much depth
to work with. She was nobody really had depth on
that show except for Burnham and Book. It felt like
(02:13):
it was like that show was the Burnham show and
then like her relationship with Book gag gave him a
chance to get some like character development, but everyone else
was kind of just like how they affected those two
and mostly just burn them. And so you know, it
was I like discovery what it is, but I don't.
I don't feel like most characters are that well realized.
So I was kind of happy, like maybe till he
(02:34):
would get some development in the new show. But I
do think there's enough detractors from Tilly that like, it's
probably a good call.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
I don't think it was the detractors necessarily. I think
it was specifically that they were like, oh shit, we're
getting a Holly Hunter. Oh shit, we're getting a guy
whose name I can't remember, Paul Gimadi. Yeah, and and
then like, oh and we're getting Ert Priccardo. Ever budgets
(03:02):
kind of looking a little tight. Ooh, yeah, that's interesting.
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
I feel like she would not be the most she
would not be the most expensive caster. Maybe a little
bit more than the others because she has a histdround
star trek, but uh yeah, that may be.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
You may be right, Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
So there's this new there's this exclusive article over at
Entertainment Weekly, and it's been talking about some of the details,
and they also put out a bunch of preview images
but nothing that you literally didn't see in the trailer.
So we've got the trailer in the show notes, and
uh they talked about Sandro Rosta as Caleb Muir I
(03:44):
guess mirror in my r whatever, an orphan who's been
searching for his mother who's Tatiana Maslani for a long time,
not knowing if she's dead or alive, and he realizes
his best shot to find her is to join Starfleet Academy.
I don't know why that's the case.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Well, it sounds like Holly Hunter's character convinces him of
that in the trailer. She says like, yeah, come with me, like,
and it also sounds like they were a poor family
on a planet where they were like saving up enough
money to one day be able to go to Earth
and so like or saving resources or whatever they needed
to be able to go to Earth.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
And so.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Holly Hunter's like, well, you've been you've been wanting to
get revenge, You've been wanting to figure out where your
mother is all this stuff, Like if you want to
actually get a chance to explore the galaxy, come with me.
You know. Yeah, maybe maybe maybe he's already off exploring,
but uh, it seems like maybe he was just never
got a chance to launch off his planet.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Yeah maybe. So I'm just a little bit like, well,
if you want a chance to find your mom, this
is it. I mean, in your own time, you'll have
like a bunch of course work and then we have
like side missions that we're just gonna do like every
fucking week, but like if you can get the time.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Yeah, yeah, Well, it sounds like to me, it seems
like Holly Hunter's character might be con to his mother
in some way. Yeah, maybe sisters, maybe friends, like maybe
they worked, maybe they were like fellow officers or something.
At some point, it seems like there's some good of
connections there, which is why she would want to help him.
Uh So, So that's that's my guess, is that, like,
(05:17):
you know, she cared about and so maybe she cares
about finding this finding his mother as well. Maybe she's
been looking just as hard as Caleb has.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Yeah. Now, Executive producer Alex Kurtzman said, the second scene
of the pilot is Tatiana, Holly, and Paul together. Just
the firepower in the scene is so extraordinary. M all right.
They also take some time to showcase SAM, which stands
(05:46):
for Series Acclamation Mill, a newborn hologram and the first
of her kind to enroll in Starfleet. Oh that's cool.
That's really cool. I like that a lot.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Uh yeah, it's a you know, it gives like the
doctor a real like thing to see in the future generations,
you know.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Hollows or what is it Hollows be Free? Was that
the name is book something like that.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
You know, he wrote that, and he he like, you know,
has has lived the ten whatever three thousand years?
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Is it in the future. I guess, uh, ten thousand
or three. No, it's like a thousand. It's like nine
hundred something years. Oh, I thought it was a lot.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
I thought it was the thirtieth century or something like.
That's what I'm thinking of.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
It's like the thirty second century. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah,
they like seventy hundred years. That's right.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
So I always think it it's like more than that.
But like it's cool that you get to live all
those years and see the existence of Sam.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
That's neat. Yeah, now this is worries some to me.
Kurtsman revealed they changed the character to match the high
energy actress Carrie Brooks. The character of Sam was not
written for reason anyway. She was a very different character. Originally.
In the very first round for Sam, we saw a
bunch of actors and none of them were quite right.
(07:08):
Then we saw her who had and she had a
very different voice in the character that was written U
Noga and I called each other, and we were like,
we are in the presence of a genius. We actually
need to rewrite the character for her, and we and
we did, and we cast her right away and adjusted
the voice for her. I feel like when they say
stuff like that, and they when they talk about how
(07:30):
an actor is a genius, it's gonna be the worst
character in the show. And if I'm looking at the
when I'm looking at the trailer, I'm going, yeah, she's
already a really annoying character. And it was talking about
how awkward she is.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
I knew you would dislike that, just because you hate
that people talking about how they're awkward.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
I don't. I don't.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
I don't mind it generally. I mind it if that's
all their character ever is. I don't mind it if
a characters are awkward. Yeah, I also find it a
lot less agreed, just in a show about a cadets,
you know, still like getting their legs under them. It's
a little more annoying when it's like, you know you're
on you're on the Enterprise.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
You got one Barkley, you.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Know, it's like you got one of those and the
rest of them, even if they have their issues, like
lafourge is not great with women or whatever, but he's
like he's still like a competent, confident human being, right,
you know what I mean. Like they have their issues,
but they're they're like confident at what they do and like.
And that's that's a lot of why I think Tilly
(08:28):
didn't work as well for you. But but yeah, I agree.
I as soon as I saw that character on screen,
I didn't even know she was a hologram, but I
was like, oh, yeah, Dave's gonna not like Sam here.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Yeah, and it's it's it's I think that we've talked
about this before, but it feels like the first like
two or three series, they were just like, let's do
a spot character who's detached and does it quite understand humanity,
And then for the rest after Voyager, they said, how
about we do every show has one or two Neelix's
(09:01):
and it's just like these annoying, awkward, just irritating people.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
That's funny, and Neelix can be irritating, but I don't think.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
He's that Like, he's not the like he he was
he was a fish.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Out of water because he's among a new crew, but
like he's not he's very like confident and self assured
in who he is, though I feel.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Like, yeah, like he's Coli and Barkley for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
I just think it's it's you know, it's trying to
write for what ya audiences in my opinion, and like
trying trying to help people that like feel oh I
feel different, I feel different from everyone. Like some of
the power of good writing like that is like, yeah,
you got the nerd like I said, la Forge, nerdy guy,
not great with women, blah blah blah. But part of
(09:52):
the beauty of the show is like you watch it
and see, oh, he found his place, you know what
I mean, Like he knows he found his thing he's
passionate about and he's doing it, and like that's like,
to me, that's more powerful than having these characters that
have to be so much like their audiences that they
still like it's nice to have a character that audiences
look up to to be like, not necessarily audiences have
(10:14):
to like identify with right now.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Mm hmm, let's see show. Unders mand it clear the
stakes are high in Starford Academy. It is such a
weird thing to point out. They said, it's hard to
come up with a circumstance and a buy in where
you can still have Star Trek adventures with real stakes
and real peril, but it's also a school. It's really
important that viewers know that these kids actually go on
(10:39):
real Star Trek missions and there is real Star Trek
peril and complex situations that they have to navigate. I
do think that's funny because it's like it's the exact
thing that I've seen a lot of people complain about
and a lot of things that I came to my
mind it was like, what is going to be worth
watching in a Starford Academy show. Yeah, they're absolutely like aware,
and that's good to me. They're absolutely aware that they
(11:02):
like need to sell this and they had to create
something that wasn't just love triangles. Yeah for sure, and
and you know midterms or whatever. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Yeah, I mean like I can like I can see
that working for some people, and like like I said,
for ya audiences, like a Star Trek Starfleet Academy show
feels like it would be a great like we've talked
about it's like Harry Potter or whatever.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
But like these kids are a little older. These are
like you know, post high school kids. These are I get.
I guess it's similar to what they're doing with like
gen V right now. Mmm, have you watched that at all?
I saw the first season. I still haven't caught I
haven't caught up in the second season.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Yeah, you know you so you get the idea. It's
like they're in college, they're doing their thing, they're learning
to be superheroes. But it's also like there's a sinister
thing at the school. So I'm assuming they'll find themselves
in some sort of real danger like pretty often.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Yeah, I knee jerk react away from the you know
comment that, like anybody if the show is mostly made
up of someone of people who are under thirties, automatically
c W. Sure, Uh, we don't. We don't have that.
We don't. We don't know that that's what's gonna happen. Yeah,
there was a lot of kind of making out and
stuff in the in the trailer a little bit, but uh.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Was there's also something the one where somebody's stroking somebody's back.
Was there a lot of making out?
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Yeah, there there are a few. There are like three
kissing shots or something like that, and people are just
overreacting like crazy on the internet. Yeah, that's silly. They're like, oh,
it's young love and romance, this is bullshit, And I'm like, uh,
I was more focused on we could talk about the
trailer now, like that's the next thing up on my list.
Is like, I guess I did think I was. I
(12:47):
was shocked that, like one of my detractions was Paul
Giamatti seems to be hamming it up quite a bit. Yeah,
me too, man, what are you talking about? That's great? Eh?
I do think his little.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Speech about like, uh, you know, use that anger to
fuel you like is very mustache to early, like to
the point that it's.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
A little unbelievable. He's he seems to be playing his
character from from Shoot Him Up like I expected him
to be, like, oh, I'm a waskily rabbit. Yeah, which
you know, he's he's half clean on half tell a right,
So maybe that's you know, part of the part of
the charm of the character. Yeah, I guess. Yeah, it didn't.
(13:33):
It didn't sit with me. Well, I didn't think the
young Klingon character was. I thought he was his acting
and his livees that he got was very stiff. I
enjoyed his line.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Yeah, it's a trailer, I always try to give a
lot of leeway for like understanding what the context of
the scene is is always important for that. But I
just like the line like a warrior doesn't let his
friend go into danger alone. A warrior never lets his
friend take face danger alone. And he's a great line.
Great line, And it's like a great line that's like.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
There's a for it's a lot. Really it's not a
great line. I think it's a great line.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
I think it's a great line because it's this idea
that like you're looking at the Klingon Empire and they
have a lot of rules about honor. You know, like
religions develop over centuries, and it's like they sort of
leave behind some of the fundamentalist stuff as they as
they develop and it becomes more about like how society functions,
(14:30):
and you're like, oh, yeah, maybe we don't all do
this like more extreme thing. We sort of like that
that's something that happened back then, or maybe that wasn't
really what God intended. But like those kind of religious things,
I imagine this honor thing is similar to where like
now that they're fully infused into the like galactic community
or whatever.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
And he's like a guy.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
He's like, I mean, I still believe in my like
ancient whatever, but it's like I'm a warrior because I
never let my friends like face danger alone.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Like that's one of my values. You know.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
It's a value that fits into society in a much
better way than like we have to murder each other
to see who's the.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Captain, you know, like that kind of shit.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
You gotta leave that in the like whatever, the twenty
two hundred's you got to you gotta move forward with
the times.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Yeah, I do it. I do enjoy how Das nine
attacked that where it's like, you guys are my best friends.
You're gonna be at my bachelor party and they're like, yeah,
click gone bachelor parties like you will hang from rods
and be zapped with painstit funk man, Yeah, you must
earn your honor or whatever. That's some snake handling. Should
(15:37):
have ever heard it? Man? Yeah, part of me thinks
that Wharf just liked to fuck with them and he
was just making shit up for all the crap they
give him. Believable for sure. Did you did you hear that? Uh?
The daily announcements to the cadets will be given by
(16:00):
Stephen Colbert. Yes, and I love it.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
This isn't fun And he actually in the little announcement
he read out one of the one of the quotes
and it was very funny, and it was very much
in Stephen Colbert's voice sort of and not just physical voice,
but in like this comedy voice, I guess, and I
was like, oh man, that's gonna be fun. That'll be
really silly and like a just morning announcements from Stephen
(16:23):
Colbert is great.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
I love that. Yeah. So yeah, it comes out January fifteenth.
The first two episodes are going to come out that day,
and then following that the rest of the ten episodes
will drop weekly on Thursdays. The finale will stream on Thursday,
March the twelfth. Here's the official synopsis. Starfleet Academy introduces
viewers to a young group of cadets who come together
(16:45):
to pursue a common dream of hope and optimism. Under
the watchful and demanding eyes of their instructors, they discover
what it takes to become Starfleet officers as they navigate
blossoming friendships, explosive rivalries, first loves, and a new enemy
that threatens both the Academy and the Federation itself. Yeah,
I I want to like this show. Yeah, Aesthetically, I'm
(17:07):
not crazy about it. It's got some a lot of
champagne colors, for sure. I don't mind that very Uh.
I don't mind that.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
I like the color color so far. I don't mind
the aesthetic. Yeah, I like the aesthetics so far. But
I it's more for me, it's more about like what
what is the what's the tone and plot and character
is gonna be. I guess I don't mind the little
champagness of it.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Yeah, I don't. I think there's just like a lot
of like it's like Maslani with the baby mm hmm.
Then the sky is champagne colored outside, the inside of
champagne colored. Then we're at starting Academy and it's champagne colored. Yeah,
and it's it's just it's a little much, just like
I want a little more color borderline feel like I'm
about to watch the Zack Snyder movie. But yeah, I
(18:01):
don't know, like I do get I do like coming
of age stories. I do like you know, first loves
and all this, you know, yeah, high high tension drama.
I do like that. And I do think that's something
that old star Trek had to some degree.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Yeah for sure, for sure, And you know I'm pumped
for it. Like overall, what did you did you think
of the trailer? I feel like you've responded to kind
of like what other people are saying, like what did
you think? Just like did it excite you?
Speaker 1 (18:32):
It did not excite me. Okay, yeah, it did not
excite me. It's really hard to get me excited stuff.
I get that because I'm like, I'm in a weird
place where, like I've been doing these podcasts and like
I I'm seeing stuff that I'm annoyed by, but I'm
also seeing stuff that I'm like, I don't mind that,
(18:53):
but I know other people are gonna be annoyed by.
I'm gonna hear about that for like three months. Yeah,
it's just multiple, It's like so many different like little
lines of expectation in my head.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Right, you're experiencing it on like a professional level as
a podcaster more than a personal level as a fan.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
There is that it's a bit overwhelming.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Yeah, yeah, I get that. I definitely get that. Well,
watching these, like any of these trailers for any of
these shows that we cover, it's always like, okay, like
what does this mean for like the feedback, and what
does this mean for how people are gonna feel? And
what does this mean for how the fandom in general?
And is it gonna last? Is it gonna like I'm
worried about these things instead of just like, Hey, a
(19:36):
cool new Star Trek show I can watch. You know,
there's definitely a that can be a problem.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I love taking Taro's there, I love Admiral Vance, I
love Bob Bacardo is back as the doctor. So I mean,
you know, but I don't necessarily trust Discovery writers. Yeah,
and I'm not crazy about it being sort of a
spin off of that in that era. So I've got
(20:01):
a lot of little preconceptions that I'm struggling with. I
want to really like it, and I wanted to be
a good show. I'll tell you what I really love.
My favorite part of the whole trailer was Caleb going,
why's everything got to be a lesson? And Ali Huter goes,
it's a school. Caleb, really interesting.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
I that worked for me, But see this is me
watching it. Think about what you're gonna think. I thought
you would be annoyed by that that because I thought
it was kind of a i don't know, like a
trite joke or like a silly joke to the point
that it it was kind of a cheesy joke. It
worked for me mostly it worked for me because they
laughed after Like they laughed because of the way they
(20:44):
received the joke was like real in the scene and
and that worked for me.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yeah, it was, well, it was mostly her delivery for me,
but I did love that he laughed afterwards. Like That's
the thing that I really love in TV and movies
is when someone says something funny and then the other
person laughs because it's so freaking rare. Yeah, you're not
supposed to treat a joke like it's funny, and no
it is. People laugh in real life. Show me someone
laughing and having a good moment.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
It depends, you know. There's obviously like the wonderful like
Leslie Nielsen school of comedy where it's like play it
straight and that and that it does make it.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
It makes you live.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
In the moment a little better, I think, and like
that that does work. I think that's a true thing.
But like it is also you know, not uh, it's
not the only way to go there's things like I
think of I don't know a lot of shows that
I love. There's a little bit more like the joke
(21:42):
is meant for the room, you know, yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Like they're like there are shows like like The Office
where parks and rec and Brooklyn nine nine does this,
where like you will get those moments where like the
obvious moments that you know are coming where someone makes
says something funny and everyone else is disgusted or annoyed, right,
and everyone's playing it straight. But then there are moments
that you could tell that were not scripted where everyone
(22:06):
kind of chuckles and people break a little bit and
they leave it in as if and you're like, oh, yeah,
that's this is why they're friends. They actually enjoy each
other's company, right.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Well, which I'm just I'm looking at the writing staff
of the show, and Alex Kurtzman obviously one of the creators,
but the other two creators I'm looking at did did
they work did other creators work on Discovery? Because I'm
looking at the two creators of the show, and it's
not showing at least on IMDb on a quick quick search,
it's not showing they worked on Discovery.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
It was my Okay, it was my understanding that some
of the writers came over, So maybe that is possible.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
But the two the people, the two creators who are
listed as creators other than Alex Kurtzman, No Gulendau and
Gaya Violo, neither of them are listed as working on
Discovery in their IMDb Okay, so it might it might
be more separated than you're thinking.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
I hope.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
So yeah, So just to give you a little little
little hope from that corner of of that, I don't
I don't hate Discovery, but but I do think like
I'm looking for something different from this show, like it
is an extension of Discovery excited me less than it
has its own new thing.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Yeah, I just haven't dug into all the writers I was.
I thought I remembered reports that a bunch of the
writers in the writer's room were coming over. But it's
very possible. I'm just looking.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
I solely looked at the creators on IMDb, so like
the two I guess main writers or whatever.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
I mean, And sometimes that can make all the difference, honestly.
Oh yeah, for sure, Like Discovery UH struggled and had
new showrunners like every year for a while, Yeah, for sure.
And you know they had a you know starting out
that Brian Fuller had built the show up, and then
(24:07):
I know he left, and then the next show runners
were just awful and abusive and they got shit canned. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
I'm scanned through looking at the looking at the writing staff,
and there's a few of them that have Discovery credits,
but they also have other Star Trek credits, you know.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Yeah, Kristen Bayer's one. Yeah, that is a big one
that's around. But I generally don't mind her stuff. Kenneth Lynn, Oh,
Tawny Newsom. Yeah, Tonny Newsom is from Overdex. Obviously, that's great.
It makes me feel better. I forgot that she was
on the writing staff. Yeah, I had to. I had to.
That's cool.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
Yeah, So maybe maybe it's not as connected to Discovery
as you were thinking.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
See, we're not here to just shoot on the thing.
We're here to give ourselves hope for Fox. Well what
you got in the news Man? All right? What'd you
think of this first look clip at season four of
Strange New Worlds.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
If I were watching it as an episode, I would
be intrigued. I really liked the idea of them just
it just looked like a good mission. It didn't feel sticky,
like I mean, it's it's hard for me to like
this less than last season's first look. So like I'm
(25:30):
great this thing. Yeah, the vulcans, I'm greating this thing
on like the biggest curve because I think it's kind
of a boring clip a little bit. It is, Yeah,
but well shot, beautifully shot, really cool ideas. I like
the flipping of the camera completely, like Dutch angles are
a very common thing in Star Trek, but to actually
just like rotate the camera fully in a three sixty
(25:52):
was was fun.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Yeah. And the little coming out of his eye, coming
out of Pike's eye, Yeah all that was cool. Yeah yeah,
coming out of Pikes to see the thing. I loved that. Yeah,
it felt very lost, oh for sure.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Like the close up of the eye, yeah yeah, the
thing that most excited me. And like the thing that
if I, like I said, if I were watching this
as an episode, I love the idea of them being
trapped somewhere. They somehow were forced into a warp bubble.
They don't know where they ended up, and now they're
just like out in an area and they just got
to send to shuttle out ships on low power. They
can't do anything, they have no sensors, and it's just
(26:25):
like I like the idea of them solving the puzzle
of like where are we who can we trust?
Speaker 1 (26:29):
What's around? Like that seems like I think it could go.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
For like half a season and I would enjoy it,
you know, like I really like the idea of of
the flagship Voyager. Yeah, yeah, many Voyager, like done in
a way that you know, I would enjoy, like building
building up the ship to be able and in the
community and hand like, Yeah, I think that could be
really cool, like learning who's around, using relationships to to
(26:54):
like barter what you need to get the right materials
to get your ship fixed and get back home.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
That's a fun idea. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Uh and you know it's it's obviously been done before
in Star Trek, but uh so. So I was watching
this as an episode, I think I'd be really intrigued,
But as a as a first look clip, it was
not very exciting.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Well, I think it's funny personally that they're branding this
as a first look. We all remember the puppet. We
know that that was the real first look. That's true,
that's true. Well, I don't know. I don't think that
was from the actual episode.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
I think that was just a clip as a teaser
that like was not I don't think that's really actually
part of the show.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Yeah, no, I will say, and it's obvious. I feel
like our longtime listeners, our regular listeners are expecting this
and I'm sorry, but yeah, the clip was cool. But like,
my god, the leaning on Ortega's in her one liners,
just stop. Please, for the love of God, you don't
have to just accept it, man, Just learn to love
(27:55):
the one this is. Stop fighting it. Learn to love
the one liners. Like, I'm just waiting on her to
start like giving nicknames to everyone on the cruise. She's
gonna gonna be like Sawyer. Yeah, I've been in a
real Lost mood recently. You've been watching it a lot. No,
they're just talking about it a lot. I did have
a very long conversation with Effie the other night about
(28:16):
Lost and the Leftovers. Mm, and like I'm like sitting there,
like texting e Fie and like weeping thinking about the
finale of The Leftovers. Yeah, such a good show. Great show.
Oh let's see Uh No, no release date, only a
coming soon for a strange New World season four. Okay,
(28:40):
during the panel they said a lot of stuff that
didn't didn't matter at all. Okay, I got one quote. Yeah,
give it to me.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
I just did this for the MCU stuff like going
over all those things and coming out with the quotes
that actually meant anything new, you know.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Yeah, very minimal, very minimal. Henry Alonzo Meyer says, all
I would say about season four is that we wanted
to go for broke. We really wanted to not leave
anything behind, which is a broadway of saying, go in
every day like this is the last day, last time,
you're going to get to do it. What is it
you want to do, Let's do those That's what I
(29:14):
would say about season four. I saw a quote quote.
It was a comment on a Trek movie. They're saying,
I don't think Myers and Goldsman ever had an idea
they thought was bad. That's funny, and I agreed. I
(29:39):
agreed so wholeheartedly and laughed so hard. Yeah, I could
see that. Yep, all right, pretty funny. That's the end
of the real news. Oh wow, Okay, but I do
have this for you. This some updates on Star Trek United.
The Archer President show. Oh yeah, let's hear it all right.
(30:01):
So Mike Sussman has been talking about us, talking to
Track Movie about all this, and then they've done a
few different articles in an interview, and there's a few
bits here. Sussman has conceived Star Trek United, of course,
as a political and character driven series like and Or
or The West Wing. It would center on President Jonathan
(30:21):
Archer of the United Federation of Planets, which we know.
What we didn't know is he's a family man. He
has four adult children. It says Archer would be in
a place in his life where Scott kind of is.
He's got four adult children. The story is as much
about them as it is about him. One is part
of the Diplomatic Corps, another is in Starfleet, another is
(30:42):
in Federation intelligence. They would be integral to the story
we were telling. I'm already on board with that. I
am too. I love that.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
It sounds really cool. It sounds like it would be
a cool way to like expand the lore of that
time period, and it also gives us I have no
doubt that there will be conflict and we will probably
lose some of those characters or one of one of
those characters or something, and like that will be a
real loss for all of the characters. A family, like
a family of star Trek cap star fleet officers. It
(31:13):
sounds neat. I like this, Yeah, I like this idea
a lot reminds me of Game of Thrones. Weirdly, you
have you watch Game of Thrones.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
I saw about ten minutes and I just went nah.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Game of Thrones starts with the family the Starks, who
you met in the first episode, and then by the
end of that season they are scattered to the wind
and they basically never meet up for the entirety of
the series. So they do eventually some of them cross paths,
and by the end the ones that are left do
meet up. You know, but it's like it's an interesting
(31:47):
show because they're all these characters you care about, because
they're also kind of parts of this family that you
cared about the beginning, but they get scattered and sort
of travel throughout the entirety of the show, sort of
having their own adventures, and you're always like, you know
that a Stark, you know, they're like one of your
people that you're following, but they're like all having their
own very different adventures and that could kind of see
(32:07):
that where like you're were like, you're one of the
of course in this this this version, of course you
could have communication between them since it's an actual world
with communications. But uh yeah, I think that sounds fun.
I think I don't love about this. Uh you remember
when when we uh in Star Trek Picard, like the
first season, second season, Uh, they really talked to Patrick
(32:30):
Stewart and were like, hey, you know, what the story
do you want to tell? You know, like they really
got him involved in the creative process.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
I think some of that stuff was some of the
weakest stuff in Star Trek Piccard because it was like,
not really the story that needed to be told about Picard,
it was just the story that Patrick Stewart.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Was living through.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
And this kind of smacks of that, and it sort
of belies this thing about Star Trek where our captains,
the the actors and the the role are so intertwined,
you know that, Like you know, if same thing with
William Shatton or if he came back to make something,
and I'm sure he'd have a lot of input.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Oh shit, dude, just go to Generations. He's riding horses
and shit.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
Exactly hanging out all the cabin, that's all his stuff.
It's been going on for a long time, and I
feel like this Archer thing sounds a little like that
to me, where I'm like, this sounds like a good
version of it if they do it right. But I
don't really want you to be like, hey, Scott Bakula, what's.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Interesting to you?
Speaker 3 (33:30):
Like that's not really like I know that's like a
selling point for the actor to find something they can
bite into, but like, just what's interesting to the Star
Trek fans out here?
Speaker 1 (33:40):
What about us?
Speaker 3 (33:41):
You know, Like I don't need a bunch of stories
about I mean, even when you go like I love
these stories, but even when you talk about like the
first few Star Trek movies number two through two through
two through six, really okay where they're really dealing with
like their aging and stuff.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
As much as I love that stuff, because.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
I think it's really it's really poignant, and like, especially
as I get older, it's probably even more poignant. I
haven't want rewatches in a while, but uh, there's something
that even even at that time, kind of smacks of that.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
You know. It's like I kind of want.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
To just like have a good curtain Spock story, but
it's because they're aging it kind of like it infuses
the story with what's going on in the life of
the character, life of the actor, not necessarily what you
would want the life of the character to be.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Well, as as far as I think there was, I
think what they did with Kirk in I mean really
all the movies I was really really pleased with, especially
you know the way Harve Bennett like basically manipulated Shattner
into into doing agreeing to do it because Shatner was
still going, oh, yeah, we could still play the characters
at thirty and he's like, no, you fucking can't, dude.
(34:53):
So like they constructed this like wonderful, Like he's turning
fifty and chatter like no, and he's like, yes, but
he'll let you act.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
Oh right, Well, I guess I guess what I've I've
talked to myself into after after talking it out and
realizing they were doing that way back then. Uh, I
think I've talked myself into there are times where this
really works and there's times where it doesn't. And most
recently I'm thinking about Patrick Stewart and stuff that stuff
didn't work for me.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Uh, my moon. But like I mean, and that started
to be clear. That started in fucking Nemesis when they
let him, oh yeah, that he wanted to drive around
the fucking doone bear dune buggy, right.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
I think it even started in first contact with the
death of his family, which worked generations. I'm sorry, yeah,
I think in generations. I think he even had a
lot of input into that where he was he was
talking about it being uh, I forget. I've read some
interview recently about how like he was involved in the
decision to like make it a fire because like he
(35:52):
needed it to be a more brutal death for his
family because it was supposed to be his family dies
in some like more like easier way. And he's like, no,
let it be a fire. It's like no, And I love.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
That, you too, you too.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
And so I think there's times where it works when
these actors have have input, but there's times and it doesn't.
And so I just be thoughtful about how much input
you let.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
The actors have. I guess is yeah, what I would say. So,
but okay, I don't think I've ever talked about this,
but one of the reasons I love that it was
a fire is that it's the twenty fourth century and
is such if you had had the modicum of twenty
fourth century technology in that house, yeah, that would not
have happened. Yep. But his brother Robert was such a
piece of shit and was so hateful about technology like that,
(36:39):
just like oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
And it's like the punishment of his children dying, Robert's
children dying, but cards like only you know, living younger
relatives that like he's he's connected to his nephews and nieces,
like all of them dying because Robert was a leddyite,
you know. And and yeah, yeah, it's a good, tough,
tough and it's such a it's such a great and
(37:03):
it informs that movie so well, and and all the
following movies and and and the series. Like the fact
that he's lost his family is a really important part
of his character. So so in that, in that in
that aspect of that scene, those things worked for me.
But I guess there's just sometimes it works and sometimes
it doesn't. So make it work.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Make it work, yeah, absolutely, Uh So he continued to
talk about it. Uh Sussman says he've used United as
more of a spin off than a sequel to Enterprise.
He says, it's not just getting the whole enterprise ganging
back together every week. It would be about these younger
characters in their twenties or early thirties. You have the
opportunity to bring in some legacy people, but it would
largely be about this new cast. He says that, you know,
(37:43):
since they talked about it with Paramount, Paramount didn't want
to do it because they also had another Earth based project,
which was Starfley the Academy, And he said, because of that,
he changed it, and now it's not set on Earth.
Earth is set on the planetoid Babel that was first
(38:04):
mentioned in Journey to Babel, a neutral world in a
hub of interstellar diplomacy. He says Babel should have been
the setting from the beginning, the parallels to real history,
just as Washington, d C. Was built as this neutral
city on Swampland that's basically the idea behind the establishment
of Babel. And it also gives the whole adventure a
deep Space nine field and that's cool, yeah, yeah, And
(38:27):
Susman envisioned Babel not as a typical world, but as
a terraformed planetoid designed to accommodate many species environment. It
would almost be like several different biospheres all contained in
this one location. And you could have Archer's presidential mansion
that that might look a lot like a mansion in
Toronto or a mansion in Malibu. He did note that
(38:50):
he wanted to open United with a long awaited scene
from the Romulan War, something we never got to see
from an Enterprise season seven. Ooh. He says, fans were
waiting for it, and you guys just kind of skipped
over it. I share their frustration, so I would want
to show some of that, and I particularly pivotal moment
that's not just pure fan service. The aftermath of the
(39:13):
war decades later would shape the series. Sussman also wanted
to explore why the Romulins resemblance to Vulcans remain unknown
until Balance of Terror. He says, it's it almost seems
like the Federation or the people of Earth, as well
as the Romulans don't want the Vulcans to know who
they are. You could establish that certain people in the
government or the spy agencies have their strong suspicions. I
(39:36):
would want to maintain consistency, for sure, but that's the challenge,
and we had seen them do that a little bit
on Enterprise, where they had Romulins posing as Vulcans. Yeah, right,
in a lead up to the Romulin War. Anyway, while
focused on new characters, Sussman hoped to bring back Enterprise
(39:57):
alumni in meaningful ways. He says, you can't have Jeff
Combs a Shrand just show up in a meeting and
say right on, mister President and then disappear. They have
to be integral to the story. He specifically mentioned though,
reviving the Romulent spy Taylock played by Todd Stashwick. Nice.
I'd love to see that character come back. I would
(40:19):
want to see where he is now and what he
is up to. I'm sure it is no good because
I think he's still undercover as a Vulcan causing trouble.
That's super fun. Now. Despite all the enthusiasm, Susman is
clear that United is not in production. This is not
a real television show. Still, he remains hopeful amid Paramount's
renewed interest in expanding Star Trek. He says it is
(40:41):
encouraging that they seem to be saying we want to
do more Star Trek streaming. We want to do more movies.
If their plans involve expanding the footprint of Star Trek
on streaming, then perhaps something like this could be a
part of it. I mean, for me, crazier things have
happened now. Look also one other piece of information that's again,
and this is he told this to Andrew Probert. Andrew
(41:03):
Probert who is the designer famously of Battle Circle Alatica
ships and sets back in nineteen in the nineteen seventies,
he was the one who designed the uh Refit one
seven oh one for motion picture he worked, he designed
the Enterprise d This dude is Star Trek in a
lot of ways, like carrying on the torch from Matt Jefferies,
(41:25):
and he got excited about the Star Trek United, and
it has started like sending Sussman like designs for the Archer
ship and everything for this show. And he had to
say like, look, Andrew man, I love it, but we
don't have no money. It ain't real. And he's like, yeah,
but I like it. I want to do it. I
want to talk about it. So they've just been like
(41:47):
sending designs back and forth. They've got a couple of
them over on like trekmovie dot com. But it's and
they look neat and they're like unfinished and stuff. But
I love that, Like it's gotten the excitement of Andrew
Probert of all people just be like, oh, hell yeah,
let's do this. I want to go back and design
stuff from before the original series. Yeah, that's super cool
(42:08):
because he's from his perspective, he's always been going forward.
He's always been right, right, right. But for something that's
not in production, it's not like a real thing yet.
It sounds really good and it sounds like there's a
lot of like ideas behind it, and I God, I
just hope I want that in legacy so bad.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
Yeah, yeah, I do too. Those sound really good. I
would hope they'd be really good. I this has the
you know, the problem of it being a prequel. But
it's a prequel set at a time period of characters
we don't know how their stories end, which is why
I think it's a little a little more exciting for
(42:52):
me than most most of the prequels, like you know,
Strange New Worlds. Even I love the show. It's a
lot of fun, but the fact that we know where
all the characters in up it it sullies it in
the way and like makes it harder to tell stories.
So I yeah, this sounds cool because like who knows
who archer sons are and what they could do and
where they could end up, you know, and uh, and
(43:12):
that makes for better storytelling in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
Yeah. And you know though, like if they do this show,
you know we're gonna have a scene somewhere where Trip
shows up and says something about how officially he's supposed
to be dead in history. Oh yeah, that'd be cool.
That'd be right, because I don't think anybody, I don't
think anybody took to that. Well no, no, they didn't
like they didn't like it.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
And yeah, it would be a really fun like early
section thirty one type thing. I know they've done that
in the books.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
I believe.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
Yeah, so it would be that'd be a really fun
little connection to finally see on screen.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
Yeah, absolutely, just like Section thirty one, Trip Tucker or
now retired, shows up every every week and has dinner
with Archer. Yeah, in the presidential suite. Yeah, that'd be
it'd be super cool. Yeah, I would love to see that.
Of course. I love Scott Bakula. I want to see
him and I want to see all the characters pop
(44:11):
back up and be like, let's see where they are
and dude, like it's crazy. Like I was just, uh,
did you watch the paper? No, I've seen one episode.
There is an episode where Linda Park Hoshi Sato plays
a casting agent for a children's commercial or something. That's fun. Dude,
I would swear it was two thousand and five. Again,
(44:33):
that woman has not aged. I was shocked. I was like,
that can't be her because clearly, yeah, she was super
young when that show was on, like she would have aged.
I looked at Oh my god, yes, it's Linda Park crazy.
It's nuts. Uh. Yeah, I love all those characters, and uh,
I really do. Like I told you a few weeks ago,
(44:55):
after Strange New Girls went off, my wife took a
nap and Enterprise started playing and I just got so
sucked into it. I was just there going like, damn,
is so much better than I remember. Uh yeah, I
I I have a great fondness for that show and
those characters, and I would love to see that again.
Me too, me too, And yeah I do I want
(45:18):
I want Todd Stashwick back as well, like playing both
tay lock In in United and whatever character like the
Holographic Engineer or whatever they were gonna do and uh
in legacy, Uh absolutely, yeah, yeah it'd be great. But yeah,
that's it. That's all I've got, man, Man, Well, uh,
I dig it, I dig it.
Speaker 3 (45:39):
I feel like there's a lot of cool things out
there in the world that could could be birthed from
Star Trek. I you know, I worry about the with
the merger, just none of it going or like them
just decided to completely change change course and you know,
making Maga Star Trek or whatever.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
Uh, well that is a concern. I don't know. I
don't know. I you know, they do seem to be saying,
like over and over again, they want to they want
to expand it, and they want to do more Star
Trek and and I think that this is the way forward.
I do, because you know, one of the things that
we as fans struggle with is like for me, I'm like, I, yes, yeah, fine,
(46:20):
let's do some new stuff. Obviously you have to keep
it going for for the next generation, no pun intended.
But you know, I'm also like in a place where
I'm almost nervous, Like I'm like, you know, what we're
not gonna have these people forever. Sure, if Scott Bakula
wants to do a freaking show with Mike Sussman, that's
(46:41):
President Archer, you damn do it. Yeah, that would be great.
You don't just say no, Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. Yeah, man,
I'm in. I don't know where else you expand it
to if you don't utilize every everything you have at
your disposal, Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (46:59):
I like the idea of having these smaller stories sort
of Sandwich in Picard was nice that it like three
seasons and out like it's it's a nice little tale
about older Picard. I think there's parts I would take
her leave, but it would, it would. It was nice,
and I think in a similar show for Archer would
be really really cool. Like I don't think I need
(47:20):
to be like an ongoing seven season series, but just
like a short run about those characters in that time,
you know.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
Yeah, I tell you. Somebody pointed out the legacy screw
I mean legacy pitcard season three screwed up because they
the way they killed the Amanda plumbers change link character
as they threw out the airlock, as she froze in
space and shattered right, and then they like of talking
about the change links floating in space.
Speaker 3 (47:48):
Yeah, unperturbed. I thought they floated in space and some
sort of device. I didn't realize they were just floating.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
Yeah, I don't know, but I saw that, I don't know.
Immediately in my head, I just saw Picard like smashing
the ships in first contact, going.
Speaker 4 (48:00):
No no, I remember that that from I mean, Odo
just like floated in space for a long time until
he found until a scientist found him.
Speaker 3 (48:10):
But I guess I thought like he was in in something.
But maybe maybe maybe not, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
I don't know, but the way I had candidate immediately,
I was like, how do I fucking fix this? How
do I still enjoy it? For Card season three, ah
Odo was a young one.
Speaker 3 (48:24):
Yeah, I was gonna say exactly that, like maybe like
the older age, they couldn't handle the being frozen, or
maybe it was the form she was in when she
was kicked out, Who knows she.
Speaker 1 (48:34):
They'd become more solidified than bore brittle as they as they.
Speaker 3 (48:38):
Yeah, yeah, their solid forms become more solid. He was
so he was so young in liquidity, he didn't even
have a chance to freeze and shatter.
Speaker 1 (48:46):
Hey, Yeah, he was barely a jism gross Jiz. I'm true, live, long,
and prosper.
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Oh boy. On this episode of Star Trek Universe, Matt
and I are talking about some news. We've got some
We got a Starfleet Academy trailer, we got a clip
from Star Trek Strange New World season four. We got
some stuff.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
After this, Welcome Star Trek Universe.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
The podcast, we get to listen on two lifelong friends
and chat about Star Trek.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Name is Matthew Carroll. I'm David c. Robertson. Hey, buddy,
how you doing. I'm I'm all right, you know, yeah,
got a little cold. It'll be all right, hopefully, No good,
no good.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Well, so we had New York Sea Comic Con. I
have been very busy playing in the wedding and such, right,
so I haven't done much paying attention to any of
the any of the con news. I've been catching up
last day or two now that it's all now that
it's all over and done with, so, uh, you're you're
(01:02):
gonna be telling me the news for the most part,
except for I've seen these two trailers.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Yeah. Yeah, I was blissfully in watching rerun mode and
uh look down one day and went, oh shit, there's
a bunch of news. So yeah, first of all, Matt Minovich,
previously of tv line on his website, has confirmed that
(01:33):
Mary Wiseman will only appear on Starford Academy in one episode.
That's Tilly, Yeah all right, And you know, I am
happy because I don't like the character. But I've seen
a lot of people be like, what was all that
set up? And Discovery for It's real interesting, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Yeah, it feels like that's probably a change, of course
it does. I think a lot of people weren't a
big Tilly had a lot of detractors. I liked the character.
I don't know that they ever gave her much depth
to work with. She was nobody really had depth on
that show except for Burnham and Book. It felt like
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it was like that show was the Burnham show and
then like her relationship with Book gag gave him a
chance to get some like character development, but everyone else
was kind of just like how they affected those two
and mostly just burn them. And so you know, it
was I like discovery what it is, but I don't.
I don't feel like most characters are that well realized.
So I was kind of happy, like maybe till he
(02:34):
would get some development in the new show. But I
do think there's enough detractors from Tilly that like, it's
probably a good call.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
I don't think it was the detractors necessarily. I think
it was specifically that they were like, oh shit, we're
getting a Holly Hunter. Oh shit, we're getting a guy
whose name I can't remember, Paul Gimadi. Yeah, and and
then like, oh and we're getting Ert Priccardo. Ever budgets
(03:02):
kind of looking a little tight. Ooh, yeah, that's interesting.
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
I feel like she would not be the most she
would not be the most expensive caster. Maybe a little
bit more than the others because she has a histdround
star trek, but uh yeah, that may be.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
You may be right, Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
So there's this new there's this exclusive article over at
Entertainment Weekly, and it's been talking about some of the details,
and they also put out a bunch of preview images
but nothing that you literally didn't see in the trailer.
So we've got the trailer in the show notes, and
uh they talked about Sandro Rosta as Caleb Muir I
(03:44):
guess mirror in my r whatever, an orphan who's been
searching for his mother who's Tatiana Maslani for a long time,
not knowing if she's dead or alive, and he realizes
his best shot to find her is to join Starfleet Academy.
I don't know why that's the case.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Well, it sounds like Holly Hunter's character convinces him of
that in the trailer. She says like, yeah, come with me, like,
and it also sounds like they were a poor family
on a planet where they were like saving up enough
money to one day be able to go to Earth
and so like or saving resources or whatever they needed
to be able to go to Earth.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
And so.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Holly Hunter's like, well, you've been you've been wanting to
get revenge, You've been wanting to figure out where your
mother is all this stuff, Like if you want to
actually get a chance to explore the galaxy, come with me.
You know. Yeah, maybe maybe maybe he's already off exploring,
but uh, it seems like maybe he was just never
got a chance to launch off his planet.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Yeah maybe. So I'm just a little bit like, well,
if you want a chance to find your mom, this
is it. I mean, in your own time, you'll have
like a bunch of course work and then we have
like side missions that we're just gonna do like every
fucking week, but like if you can get the time.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Yeah, yeah, Well, it sounds like to me, it seems
like Holly Hunter's character might be con to his mother
in some way. Yeah, maybe sisters, maybe friends, like maybe
they worked, maybe they were like fellow officers or something.
At some point, it seems like there's some good of
connections there, which is why she would want to help him.
Uh So, So that's that's my guess, is that, like,
(05:17):
you know, she cared about and so maybe she cares
about finding this finding his mother as well. Maybe she's
been looking just as hard as Caleb has.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Yeah. Now, Executive producer Alex Kurtzman said, the second scene
of the pilot is Tatiana, Holly, and Paul together. Just
the firepower in the scene is so extraordinary. M all right.
They also take some time to showcase SAM, which stands
(05:46):
for Series Acclamation Mill, a newborn hologram and the first
of her kind to enroll in Starfleet. Oh that's cool.
That's really cool. I like that a lot.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Uh yeah, it's a you know, it gives like the
doctor a real like thing to see in the future generations,
you know.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Hollows or what is it Hollows be Free? Was that
the name is book something like that.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
You know, he wrote that, and he he like, you know,
has has lived the ten whatever three thousand years?
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Is it in the future. I guess, uh, ten thousand
or three. No, it's like a thousand. It's like nine
hundred something years. Oh, I thought it was a lot.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
I thought it was the thirtieth century or something like.
That's what I'm thinking of.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
It's like the thirty second century. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah,
they like seventy hundred years. That's right.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
So I always think it it's like more than that.
But like it's cool that you get to live all
those years and see the existence of Sam.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
That's neat. Yeah, now this is worries some to me.
Kurtsman revealed they changed the character to match the high
energy actress Carrie Brooks. The character of Sam was not
written for reason anyway. She was a very different character. Originally.
In the very first round for Sam, we saw a
bunch of actors and none of them were quite right.
(07:08):
Then we saw her who had and she had a
very different voice in the character that was written U
Noga and I called each other, and we were like,
we are in the presence of a genius. We actually
need to rewrite the character for her, and we and
we did, and we cast her right away and adjusted
the voice for her. I feel like when they say
stuff like that, and they when they talk about how
(07:30):
an actor is a genius, it's gonna be the worst
character in the show. And if I'm looking at the
when I'm looking at the trailer, I'm going, yeah, she's
already a really annoying character. And it was talking about
how awkward she is.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
I knew you would dislike that, just because you hate
that people talking about how they're awkward.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
I don't. I don't.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
I don't mind it generally. I mind it if that's
all their character ever is. I don't mind it if
a characters are awkward. Yeah, I also find it a
lot less agreed, just in a show about a cadets,
you know, still like getting their legs under them. It's
a little more annoying when it's like, you know you're
on you're on the Enterprise.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
You got one Barkley, you.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Know, it's like you got one of those and the
rest of them, even if they have their issues, like
lafourge is not great with women or whatever, but he's
like he's still like a competent, confident human being, right,
you know what I mean. Like they have their issues,
but they're they're like confident at what they do and like.
And that's that's a lot of why I think Tilly
(08:28):
didn't work as well for you. But but yeah, I agree.
I as soon as I saw that character on screen,
I didn't even know she was a hologram, but I
was like, oh, yeah, Dave's gonna not like Sam here.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Yeah, and it's it's it's I think that we've talked
about this before, but it feels like the first like
two or three series, they were just like, let's do
a spot character who's detached and does it quite understand humanity,
And then for the rest after Voyager, they said, how
about we do every show has one or two Neelix's
(09:01):
and it's just like these annoying, awkward, just irritating people.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
That's funny, and Neelix can be irritating, but I don't think.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
He's that Like, he's not the like he he was
he was a fish.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Out of water because he's among a new crew, but
like he's not he's very like confident and self assured
in who he is, though I feel.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Like, yeah, like he's Coli and Barkley for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
I just think it's it's you know, it's trying to
write for what ya audiences in my opinion, and like
trying trying to help people that like feel oh I
feel different, I feel different from everyone. Like some of
the power of good writing like that is like, yeah,
you got the nerd like I said, la Forge, nerdy guy,
not great with women, blah blah blah. But part of
(09:52):
the beauty of the show is like you watch it
and see, oh, he found his place, you know what
I mean, Like he knows he found his thing he's
passionate about and he's doing it, and like that's like,
to me, that's more powerful than having these characters that
have to be so much like their audiences that they
still like it's nice to have a character that audiences
look up to to be like, not necessarily audiences have
(10:14):
to like identify with right now.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Mm hmm, let's see show. Unders mand it clear the
stakes are high in Starford Academy. It is such a
weird thing to point out. They said, it's hard to
come up with a circumstance and a buy in where
you can still have Star Trek adventures with real stakes
and real peril, but it's also a school. It's really
important that viewers know that these kids actually go on
(10:39):
real Star Trek missions and there is real Star Trek
peril and complex situations that they have to navigate. I
do think that's funny because it's like it's the exact
thing that I've seen a lot of people complain about
and a lot of things that I came to my
mind it was like, what is going to be worth
watching in a Starford Academy show. Yeah, they're absolutely like aware,
and that's good to me. They're absolutely aware that they
(11:02):
like need to sell this and they had to create
something that wasn't just love triangles. Yeah for sure, and
and you know midterms or whatever. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Yeah, I mean like I can like I can see
that working for some people, and like like I said,
for ya audiences, like a Star Trek Starfleet Academy show
feels like it would be a great like we've talked
about it's like Harry Potter or whatever.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
But like these kids are a little older. These are
like you know, post high school kids. These are I get.
I guess it's similar to what they're doing with like
gen V right now. Mmm, have you watched that at all?
I saw the first season. I still haven't caught I
haven't caught up in the second season.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Yeah, you know you so you get the idea. It's
like they're in college, they're doing their thing, they're learning
to be superheroes. But it's also like there's a sinister
thing at the school. So I'm assuming they'll find themselves
in some sort of real danger like pretty often.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Yeah, I knee jerk react away from the you know
comment that, like anybody if the show is mostly made
up of someone of people who are under thirties, automatically
c W. Sure, Uh, we don't. We don't have that.
We don't. We don't know that that's what's gonna happen. Yeah,
there was a lot of kind of making out and
stuff in the in the trailer a little bit, but uh.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Was there's also something the one where somebody's stroking somebody's back.
Was there a lot of making out?
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Yeah, there there are a few. There are like three
kissing shots or something like that, and people are just
overreacting like crazy on the internet. Yeah, that's silly. They're like, oh,
it's young love and romance, this is bullshit, And I'm like, uh,
I was more focused on we could talk about the
trailer now, like that's the next thing up on my list.
Is like, I guess I did think I was. I
(12:47):
was shocked that, like one of my detractions was Paul
Giamatti seems to be hamming it up quite a bit. Yeah,
me too, man, what are you talking about? That's great? Eh?
I do think his little.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Speech about like, uh, you know, use that anger to
fuel you like is very mustache to early, like to
the point that it's.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
A little unbelievable. He's he seems to be playing his
character from from Shoot Him Up like I expected him
to be, like, oh, I'm a waskily rabbit. Yeah, which
you know, he's he's half clean on half tell a right,
So maybe that's you know, part of the part of
the charm of the character. Yeah, I guess. Yeah, it didn't.
(13:33):
It didn't sit with me. Well, I didn't think the
young Klingon character was. I thought he was his acting
and his livees that he got was very stiff. I
enjoyed his line.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Yeah, it's a trailer, I always try to give a
lot of leeway for like understanding what the context of
the scene is is always important for that. But I
just like the line like a warrior doesn't let his
friend go into danger alone. A warrior never lets his
friend take face danger alone. And he's a great line.
Great line, And it's like a great line that's like.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
There's a for it's a lot. Really it's not a
great line. I think it's a great line.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
I think it's a great line because it's this idea
that like you're looking at the Klingon Empire and they
have a lot of rules about honor. You know, like
religions develop over centuries, and it's like they sort of
leave behind some of the fundamentalist stuff as they as
they develop and it becomes more about like how society functions,
(14:30):
and you're like, oh, yeah, maybe we don't all do
this like more extreme thing. We sort of like that
that's something that happened back then, or maybe that wasn't
really what God intended. But like those kind of religious things,
I imagine this honor thing is similar to where like
now that they're fully infused into the like galactic community
or whatever.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
And he's like a guy.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
He's like, I mean, I still believe in my like
ancient whatever, but it's like I'm a warrior because I
never let my friends like face danger alone.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Like that's one of my values. You know.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
It's a value that fits into society in a much
better way than like we have to murder each other
to see who's the.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Captain, you know, like that kind of shit.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
You gotta leave that in the like whatever, the twenty
two hundred's you got to you gotta move forward with
the times.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Yeah, I do it. I do enjoy how Das nine
attacked that where it's like, you guys are my best friends.
You're gonna be at my bachelor party and they're like, yeah,
click gone bachelor parties like you will hang from rods
and be zapped with painstit funk man, Yeah, you must
earn your honor or whatever. That's some snake handling. Should
(15:37):
have ever heard it? Man? Yeah, part of me thinks
that Wharf just liked to fuck with them and he
was just making shit up for all the crap they
give him. Believable for sure. Did you did you hear that? Uh?
The daily announcements to the cadets will be given by
(16:00):
Stephen Colbert. Yes, and I love it.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
This isn't fun And he actually in the little announcement
he read out one of the one of the quotes
and it was very funny, and it was very much
in Stephen Colbert's voice sort of and not just physical voice,
but in like this comedy voice, I guess, and I
was like, oh man, that's gonna be fun. That'll be
really silly and like a just morning announcements from Stephen
(16:23):
Colbert is great.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
I love that. Yeah. So yeah, it comes out January fifteenth.
The first two episodes are going to come out that day,
and then following that the rest of the ten episodes
will drop weekly on Thursdays. The finale will stream on Thursday,
March the twelfth. Here's the official synopsis. Starfleet Academy introduces
viewers to a young group of cadets who come together
(16:45):
to pursue a common dream of hope and optimism. Under
the watchful and demanding eyes of their instructors, they discover
what it takes to become Starfleet officers as they navigate
blossoming friendships, explosive rivalries, first loves, and a new enemy
that threatens both the Academy and the Federation itself. Yeah,
I I want to like this show. Yeah, Aesthetically, I'm
(17:07):
not crazy about it. It's got some a lot of
champagne colors, for sure. I don't mind that very Uh.
I don't mind that.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
I like the color color so far. I don't mind
the aesthetic. Yeah, I like the aesthetics so far. But
I it's more for me, it's more about like what
what is the what's the tone and plot and character
is gonna be. I guess I don't mind the little
champagness of it.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Yeah, I don't. I think there's just like a lot
of like it's like Maslani with the baby mm hmm.
Then the sky is champagne colored outside, the inside of
champagne colored. Then we're at starting Academy and it's champagne colored. Yeah,
and it's it's just it's a little much, just like
I want a little more color borderline feel like I'm
about to watch the Zack Snyder movie. But yeah, I
(18:01):
don't know, like I do get I do like coming
of age stories. I do like you know, first loves
and all this, you know, yeah, high high tension drama.
I do like that. And I do think that's something
that old star Trek had to some degree.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Yeah for sure, for sure, And you know I'm pumped
for it. Like overall, what did you did you think
of the trailer? I feel like you've responded to kind
of like what other people are saying, like what did
you think? Just like did it excite you?
Speaker 1 (18:32):
It did not excite me. Okay, yeah, it did not
excite me. It's really hard to get me excited stuff.
I get that because I'm like, I'm in a weird
place where, like I've been doing these podcasts and like
I I'm seeing stuff that I'm annoyed by, but I'm
also seeing stuff that I'm like, I don't mind that,
(18:53):
but I know other people are gonna be annoyed by.
I'm gonna hear about that for like three months. Yeah,
it's just multiple, It's like so many different like little
lines of expectation in my head.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Right, you're experiencing it on like a professional level as
a podcaster more than a personal level as a fan.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
There is that it's a bit overwhelming.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Yeah, yeah, I get that. I definitely get that. Well,
watching these, like any of these trailers for any of
these shows that we cover, it's always like, okay, like
what does this mean for like the feedback, and what
does this mean for how people are gonna feel? And
what does this mean for how the fandom in general?
And is it gonna last? Is it gonna like I'm
worried about these things instead of just like, Hey, a
(19:36):
cool new Star Trek show I can watch. You know,
there's definitely a that can be a problem.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I love taking Taro's there, I love Admiral Vance, I
love Bob Bacardo is back as the doctor. So I mean,
you know, but I don't necessarily trust Discovery writers. Yeah,
and I'm not crazy about it being sort of a
spin off of that in that era. So I've got
(20:01):
a lot of little preconceptions that I'm struggling with. I
want to really like it, and I wanted to be
a good show. I'll tell you what I really love.
My favorite part of the whole trailer was Caleb going,
why's everything got to be a lesson? And Ali Huter goes,
it's a school. Caleb, really interesting.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
I that worked for me, But see this is me
watching it. Think about what you're gonna think. I thought
you would be annoyed by that that because I thought
it was kind of a i don't know, like a
trite joke or like a silly joke to the point
that it it was kind of a cheesy joke. It
worked for me mostly it worked for me because they
laughed after Like they laughed because of the way they
(20:44):
received the joke was like real in the scene and
and that worked for me.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yeah, it was, well, it was mostly her delivery for me,
but I did love that he laughed afterwards. Like That's
the thing that I really love in TV and movies
is when someone says something funny and then the other
person laughs because it's so freaking rare. Yeah, you're not
supposed to treat a joke like it's funny, and no
it is. People laugh in real life. Show me someone
laughing and having a good moment.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
It depends, you know. There's obviously like the wonderful like
Leslie Nielsen school of comedy where it's like play it
straight and that and that it does make it.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
It makes you live.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
In the moment a little better, I think, and like
that that does work. I think that's a true thing.
But like it is also you know, not uh, it's
not the only way to go there's things like I
think of I don't know a lot of shows that
I love. There's a little bit more like the joke
(21:42):
is meant for the room, you know, yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Like they're like there are shows like like The Office
where parks and rec and Brooklyn nine nine does this,
where like you will get those moments where like the
obvious moments that you know are coming where someone makes
says something funny and everyone else is disgusted or annoyed, right,
and everyone's playing it straight. But then there are moments
that you could tell that were not scripted where everyone
(22:06):
kind of chuckles and people break a little bit and
they leave it in as if and you're like, oh, yeah,
that's this is why they're friends. They actually enjoy each
other's company, right.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Well, which I'm just I'm looking at the writing staff
of the show, and Alex Kurtzman obviously one of the creators,
but the other two creators I'm looking at did did
they work did other creators work on Discovery? Because I'm
looking at the two creators of the show, and it's
not showing at least on IMDb on a quick quick search,
it's not showing they worked on Discovery.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
It was my Okay, it was my understanding that some
of the writers came over, So maybe that is possible.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
But the two the people, the two creators who are
listed as creators other than Alex Kurtzman, No Gulendau and
Gaya Violo, neither of them are listed as working on
Discovery in their IMDb Okay, so it might it might
be more separated than you're thinking.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
I hope.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
So yeah, So just to give you a little little
little hope from that corner of of that, I don't
I don't hate Discovery, but but I do think like
I'm looking for something different from this show, like it
is an extension of Discovery excited me less than it
has its own new thing.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Yeah, I just haven't dug into all the writers I was.
I thought I remembered reports that a bunch of the
writers in the writer's room were coming over. But it's
very possible. I'm just looking.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
I solely looked at the creators on IMDb, so like
the two I guess main writers or whatever.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
I mean, And sometimes that can make all the difference, honestly.
Oh yeah, for sure, Like Discovery UH struggled and had
new showrunners like every year for a while, Yeah, for sure.
And you know they had a you know starting out
that Brian Fuller had built the show up, and then
(24:07):
I know he left, and then the next show runners
were just awful and abusive and they got shit canned. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
I'm scanned through looking at the looking at the writing staff,
and there's a few of them that have Discovery credits,
but they also have other Star Trek credits, you know.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Yeah, Kristen Bayer's one. Yeah, that is a big one
that's around. But I generally don't mind her stuff. Kenneth Lynn, Oh,
Tawny Newsom. Yeah, Tonny Newsom is from Overdex. Obviously, that's great.
It makes me feel better. I forgot that she was
on the writing staff. Yeah, I had to. I had to.
That's cool.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
Yeah, So maybe maybe it's not as connected to Discovery
as you were thinking.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
See, we're not here to just shoot on the thing.
We're here to give ourselves hope for Fox. Well what
you got in the news Man? All right? What'd you
think of this first look clip at season four of
Strange New Worlds.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
If I were watching it as an episode, I would
be intrigued. I really liked the idea of them just
it just looked like a good mission. It didn't feel sticky,
like I mean, it's it's hard for me to like
this less than last season's first look. So like I'm
(25:30):
great this thing. Yeah, the vulcans, I'm greating this thing
on like the biggest curve because I think it's kind
of a boring clip a little bit. It is, Yeah,
but well shot, beautifully shot, really cool ideas. I like
the flipping of the camera completely, like Dutch angles are
a very common thing in Star Trek, but to actually
just like rotate the camera fully in a three sixty
(25:52):
was was fun.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Yeah. And the little coming out of his eye, coming
out of Pike's eye, Yeah all that was cool. Yeah yeah,
coming out of Pikes to see the thing. I loved that. Yeah,
it felt very lost, oh for sure.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Like the close up of the eye, yeah yeah, the
thing that most excited me. And like the thing that
if I, like I said, if I were watching this
as an episode, I love the idea of them being
trapped somewhere. They somehow were forced into a warp bubble.
They don't know where they ended up, and now they're
just like out in an area and they just got
to send to shuttle out ships on low power. They
can't do anything, they have no sensors, and it's just
(26:25):
like I like the idea of them solving the puzzle
of like where are we who can we trust?
Speaker 1 (26:29):
What's around? Like that seems like I think it could go.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
For like half a season and I would enjoy it,
you know, like I really like the idea of of
the flagship Voyager. Yeah, yeah, many Voyager, like done in
a way that you know, I would enjoy, like building
building up the ship to be able and in the
community and hand like, Yeah, I think that could be
really cool, like learning who's around, using relationships to to
(26:54):
like barter what you need to get the right materials
to get your ship fixed and get back home.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
That's a fun idea. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Uh and you know it's it's obviously been done before
in Star Trek, but uh so. So I was watching
this as an episode, I think I'd be really intrigued,
But as a as a first look clip, it was
not very exciting.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Well, I think it's funny personally that they're branding this
as a first look. We all remember the puppet. We
know that that was the real first look. That's true,
that's true. Well, I don't know. I don't think that
was from the actual episode.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
I think that was just a clip as a teaser
that like was not I don't think that's really actually
part of the show.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Yeah, no, I will say, and it's obvious. I feel
like our longtime listeners, our regular listeners are expecting this
and I'm sorry, but yeah, the clip was cool. But like,
my god, the leaning on Ortega's in her one liners,
just stop. Please, for the love of God, you don't
have to just accept it, man, Just learn to love
(27:55):
the one this is. Stop fighting it. Learn to love
the one liners. Like, I'm just waiting on her to
start like giving nicknames to everyone on the cruise. She's
gonna gonna be like Sawyer. Yeah, I've been in a
real Lost mood recently. You've been watching it a lot. No,
they're just talking about it a lot. I did have
a very long conversation with Effie the other night about
(28:16):
Lost and the Leftovers. Mm, and like I'm like sitting there,
like texting e Fie and like weeping thinking about the
finale of The Leftovers. Yeah, such a good show. Great show.
Oh let's see Uh No, no release date, only a
coming soon for a strange New World season four. Okay,
(28:40):
during the panel they said a lot of stuff that
didn't didn't matter at all. Okay, I got one quote. Yeah,
give it to me.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
I just did this for the MCU stuff like going
over all those things and coming out with the quotes
that actually meant anything new, you know.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Yeah, very minimal, very minimal. Henry Alonzo Meyer says, all
I would say about season four is that we wanted
to go for broke. We really wanted to not leave
anything behind, which is a broadway of saying, go in
every day like this is the last day, last time,
you're going to get to do it. What is it
you want to do, Let's do those That's what I
(29:14):
would say about season four. I saw a quote quote.
It was a comment on a Trek movie. They're saying,
I don't think Myers and Goldsman ever had an idea
they thought was bad. That's funny, and I agreed. I
(29:39):
agreed so wholeheartedly and laughed so hard. Yeah, I could
see that. Yep, all right, pretty funny. That's the end
of the real news. Oh wow, Okay, but I do
have this for you. This some updates on Star Trek United.
The Archer President show. Oh yeah, let's hear it all right.
(30:01):
So Mike Sussman has been talking about us, talking to
Track Movie about all this, and then they've done a
few different articles in an interview, and there's a few
bits here. Sussman has conceived Star Trek United, of course,
as a political and character driven series like and Or
or The West Wing. It would center on President Jonathan
(30:21):
Archer of the United Federation of Planets, which we know.
What we didn't know is he's a family man. He
has four adult children. It says Archer would be in
a place in his life where Scott kind of is.
He's got four adult children. The story is as much
about them as it is about him. One is part
of the Diplomatic Corps, another is in Starfleet, another is
(30:42):
in Federation intelligence. They would be integral to the story
we were telling. I'm already on board with that. I
am too. I love that.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
It sounds really cool. It sounds like it would be
a cool way to like expand the lore of that
time period, and it also gives us I have no
doubt that there will be conflict and we will probably
lose some of those characters or one of one of
those characters or something, and like that will be a
real loss for all of the characters. A family, like
a family of star Trek cap star fleet officers. It
(31:13):
sounds neat. I like this, Yeah, I like this idea
a lot reminds me of Game of Thrones. Weirdly, you
have you watch Game of Thrones.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
I saw about ten minutes and I just went nah.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Game of Thrones starts with the family the Starks, who
you met in the first episode, and then by the
end of that season they are scattered to the wind
and they basically never meet up for the entirety of
the series. So they do eventually some of them cross paths,
and by the end the ones that are left do
meet up. You know, but it's like it's an interesting
(31:47):
show because they're all these characters you care about, because
they're also kind of parts of this family that you
cared about the beginning, but they get scattered and sort
of travel throughout the entirety of the show, sort of
having their own adventures, and you're always like, you know
that a Stark, you know, they're like one of your
people that you're following, but they're like all having their
own very different adventures and that could kind of see
(32:07):
that where like you're were like, you're one of the
of course in this this this version, of course you
could have communication between them since it's an actual world
with communications. But uh yeah, I think that sounds fun.
I think I don't love about this. Uh you remember
when when we uh in Star Trek Picard, like the
first season, second season, Uh, they really talked to Patrick
(32:30):
Stewart and were like, hey, you know, what the story
do you want to tell? You know, like they really
got him involved in the creative process.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
I think some of that stuff was some of the
weakest stuff in Star Trek Piccard because it was like,
not really the story that needed to be told about Picard,
it was just the story that Patrick Stewart.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Was living through.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
And this kind of smacks of that, and it sort
of belies this thing about Star Trek where our captains,
the the actors and the the role are so intertwined,
you know that, Like you know, if same thing with
William Shatton or if he came back to make something,
and I'm sure he'd have a lot of input.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Oh shit, dude, just go to Generations. He's riding horses
and shit.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
Exactly hanging out all the cabin, that's all his stuff.
It's been going on for a long time, and I
feel like this Archer thing sounds a little like that
to me, where I'm like, this sounds like a good
version of it if they do it right. But I
don't really want you to be like, hey, Scott Bakula, what's.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Interesting to you?
Speaker 3 (33:30):
Like that's not really like I know that's like a
selling point for the actor to find something they can
bite into, but like, just what's interesting to the Star
Trek fans out here?
Speaker 1 (33:40):
What about us?
Speaker 3 (33:41):
You know, Like I don't need a bunch of stories
about I mean, even when you go like I love
these stories, but even when you talk about like the
first few Star Trek movies number two through two through
two through six, really okay where they're really dealing with
like their aging and stuff.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
As much as I love that stuff, because.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
I think it's really it's really poignant, and like, especially
as I get older, it's probably even more poignant. I
haven't want rewatches in a while, but uh, there's something
that even even at that time, kind of smacks of that.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
You know. It's like I kind of want.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
To just like have a good curtain Spock story, but
it's because they're aging it kind of like it infuses
the story with what's going on in the life of
the character, life of the actor, not necessarily what you
would want the life of the character to be.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Well, as as far as I think there was, I
think what they did with Kirk in I mean really
all the movies I was really really pleased with, especially
you know the way Harve Bennett like basically manipulated Shattner
into into doing agreeing to do it because Shatner was
still going, oh, yeah, we could still play the characters
at thirty and he's like, no, you fucking can't, dude.
(34:53):
So like they constructed this like wonderful, Like he's turning
fifty and chatter like no, and he's like, yes, but
he'll let you act.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
Oh right, Well, I guess I guess what I've I've
talked to myself into after after talking it out and
realizing they were doing that way back then. Uh, I
think I've talked myself into there are times where this
really works and there's times where it doesn't. And most
recently I'm thinking about Patrick Stewart and stuff that stuff
didn't work for me.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Uh, my moon. But like I mean, and that started
to be clear. That started in fucking Nemesis when they
let him, oh yeah, that he wanted to drive around
the fucking doone bear dune buggy, right.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
I think it even started in first contact with the
death of his family, which worked generations. I'm sorry, yeah,
I think in generations. I think he even had a
lot of input into that where he was he was
talking about it being uh, I forget. I've read some
interview recently about how like he was involved in the
decision to like make it a fire because like he
(35:52):
needed it to be a more brutal death for his
family because it was supposed to be his family dies
in some like more like easier way. And he's like, no,
let it be a fire. It's like no, And I love.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
That, you too, you too.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
And so I think there's times where it works when
these actors have have input, but there's times and it doesn't.
And so I just be thoughtful about how much input
you let.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
The actors have. I guess is yeah, what I would say. So,
but okay, I don't think I've ever talked about this,
but one of the reasons I love that it was
a fire is that it's the twenty fourth century and
is such if you had had the modicum of twenty
fourth century technology in that house, yeah, that would not
have happened. Yep. But his brother Robert was such a
piece of shit and was so hateful about technology like that,
(36:39):
just like oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
And it's like the punishment of his children dying, Robert's
children dying, but cards like only you know, living younger
relatives that like he's he's connected to his nephews and nieces,
like all of them dying because Robert was a leddyite,
you know. And and yeah, yeah, it's a good, tough,
tough and it's such a it's such a great and
(37:03):
it informs that movie so well, and and all the
following movies and and and the series. Like the fact
that he's lost his family is a really important part
of his character. So so in that, in that in
that aspect of that scene, those things worked for me.
But I guess there's just sometimes it works and sometimes
it doesn't. So make it work.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Make it work, yeah, absolutely, Uh So he continued to
talk about it. Uh Sussman says he've used United as
more of a spin off than a sequel to Enterprise.
He says, it's not just getting the whole enterprise ganging
back together every week. It would be about these younger
characters in their twenties or early thirties. You have the
opportunity to bring in some legacy people, but it would
largely be about this new cast. He says that, you know,
(37:43):
since they talked about it with Paramount, Paramount didn't want
to do it because they also had another Earth based project,
which was Starfley the Academy, And he said, because of that,
he changed it, and now it's not set on Earth.
Earth is set on the planetoid Babel that was first
(38:04):
mentioned in Journey to Babel, a neutral world in a
hub of interstellar diplomacy. He says Babel should have been
the setting from the beginning, the parallels to real history,
just as Washington, d C. Was built as this neutral
city on Swampland that's basically the idea behind the establishment
of Babel. And it also gives the whole adventure a
deep Space nine field and that's cool, yeah, yeah, And
(38:27):
Susman envisioned Babel not as a typical world, but as
a terraformed planetoid designed to accommodate many species environment. It
would almost be like several different biospheres all contained in
this one location. And you could have Archer's presidential mansion
that that might look a lot like a mansion in
Toronto or a mansion in Malibu. He did note that
(38:50):
he wanted to open United with a long awaited scene
from the Romulan War, something we never got to see
from an Enterprise season seven. Ooh. He says, fans were
waiting for it, and you guys just kind of skipped
over it. I share their frustration, so I would want
to show some of that, and I particularly pivotal moment
that's not just pure fan service. The aftermath of the
(39:13):
war decades later would shape the series. Sussman also wanted
to explore why the Romulins resemblance to Vulcans remain unknown
until Balance of Terror. He says, it's it almost seems
like the Federation or the people of Earth, as well
as the Romulans don't want the Vulcans to know who
they are. You could establish that certain people in the
government or the spy agencies have their strong suspicions. I
(39:36):
would want to maintain consistency, for sure, but that's the challenge,
and we had seen them do that a little bit
on Enterprise, where they had Romulins posing as Vulcans. Yeah, right,
in a lead up to the Romulin War. Anyway, while
focused on new characters, Sussman hoped to bring back Enterprise
(39:57):
alumni in meaningful ways. He says, you can't have Jeff
Combs a Shrand just show up in a meeting and
say right on, mister President and then disappear. They have
to be integral to the story. He specifically mentioned though,
reviving the Romulent spy Taylock played by Todd Stashwick. Nice.
I'd love to see that character come back. I would
(40:19):
want to see where he is now and what he
is up to. I'm sure it is no good because
I think he's still undercover as a Vulcan causing trouble.
That's super fun. Now. Despite all the enthusiasm, Susman is
clear that United is not in production. This is not
a real television show. Still, he remains hopeful amid Paramount's
renewed interest in expanding Star Trek. He says it is
(40:41):
encouraging that they seem to be saying we want to
do more Star Trek streaming. We want to do more movies.
If their plans involve expanding the footprint of Star Trek
on streaming, then perhaps something like this could be a
part of it. I mean, for me, crazier things have
happened now. Look also one other piece of information that's again,
and this is he told this to Andrew Probert. Andrew
(41:03):
Probert who is the designer famously of Battle Circle Alatica
ships and sets back in nineteen in the nineteen seventies,
he was the one who designed the uh Refit one
seven oh one for motion picture he worked, he designed
the Enterprise d This dude is Star Trek in a
lot of ways, like carrying on the torch from Matt Jefferies,
(41:25):
and he got excited about the Star Trek United, and
it has started like sending Sussman like designs for the Archer
ship and everything for this show. And he had to
say like, look, Andrew man, I love it, but we
don't have no money. It ain't real. And he's like, yeah,
but I like it. I want to do it. I
want to talk about it. So they've just been like
(41:47):
sending designs back and forth. They've got a couple of
them over on like trekmovie dot com. But it's and
they look neat and they're like unfinished and stuff. But
I love that, Like it's gotten the excitement of Andrew
Probert of all people just be like, oh, hell yeah,
let's do this. I want to go back and design
stuff from before the original series. Yeah, that's super cool
(42:08):
because he's from his perspective, he's always been going forward.
He's always been right, right, right. But for something that's
not in production, it's not like a real thing yet.
It sounds really good and it sounds like there's a
lot of like ideas behind it, and I God, I
just hope I want that in legacy so bad.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
Yeah, yeah, I do too. Those sound really good. I
would hope they'd be really good. I this has the
you know, the problem of it being a prequel. But
it's a prequel set at a time period of characters
we don't know how their stories end, which is why
I think it's a little a little more exciting for
(42:52):
me than most most of the prequels, like you know,
Strange New Worlds. Even I love the show. It's a
lot of fun, but the fact that we know where
all the characters in up it it sullies it in
the way and like makes it harder to tell stories.
So I yeah, this sounds cool because like who knows
who archer sons are and what they could do and
where they could end up, you know, and uh, and
(43:12):
that makes for better storytelling in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
Yeah. And you know though, like if they do this show,
you know we're gonna have a scene somewhere where Trip
shows up and says something about how officially he's supposed
to be dead in history. Oh yeah, that'd be cool.
That'd be right, because I don't think anybody, I don't
think anybody took to that. Well no, no, they didn't
like they didn't like it.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
And yeah, it would be a really fun like early
section thirty one type thing. I know they've done that
in the books.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
I believe.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
Yeah, so it would be that'd be a really fun
little connection to finally see on screen.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
Yeah, absolutely, just like Section thirty one, Trip Tucker or
now retired, shows up every every week and has dinner
with Archer. Yeah, in the presidential suite. Yeah, that'd be
it'd be super cool. Yeah, I would love to see that.
Of course. I love Scott Bakula. I want to see
him and I want to see all the characters pop
(44:11):
back up and be like, let's see where they are
and dude, like it's crazy. Like I was just, uh,
did you watch the paper? No, I've seen one episode.
There is an episode where Linda Park Hoshi Sato plays
a casting agent for a children's commercial or something. That's fun. Dude,
I would swear it was two thousand and five. Again,
(44:33):
that woman has not aged. I was shocked. I was like,
that can't be her because clearly, yeah, she was super
young when that show was on, like she would have aged.
I looked at Oh my god, yes, it's Linda Park crazy.
It's nuts. Uh. Yeah, I love all those characters, and uh,
I really do. Like I told you a few weeks ago,
(44:55):
after Strange New Girls went off, my wife took a
nap and Enterprise started playing and I just got so
sucked into it. I was just there going like, damn,
is so much better than I remember. Uh yeah, I
I I have a great fondness for that show and
those characters, and I would love to see that again.
Me too, me too, And yeah I do I want
(45:18):
I want Todd Stashwick back as well, like playing both
tay lock In in United and whatever character like the
Holographic Engineer or whatever they were gonna do and uh
in legacy, Uh absolutely, yeah, yeah it'd be great. But yeah,
that's it. That's all I've got, man, Man, Well, uh,
I dig it, I dig it.
Speaker 3 (45:39):
I feel like there's a lot of cool things out
there in the world that could could be birthed from
Star Trek. I you know, I worry about the with
the merger, just none of it going or like them
just decided to completely change change course and you know,
making Maga Star Trek or whatever.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
Uh, well that is a concern. I don't know. I
don't know. I you know, they do seem to be saying,
like over and over again, they want to they want
to expand it, and they want to do more Star
Trek and and I think that this is the way forward.
I do, because you know, one of the things that
we as fans struggle with is like for me, I'm like, I, yes, yeah, fine,
(46:20):
let's do some new stuff. Obviously you have to keep
it going for for the next generation, no pun intended.
But you know, I'm also like in a place where
I'm almost nervous, Like I'm like, you know, what we're
not gonna have these people forever. Sure, if Scott Bakula
wants to do a freaking show with Mike Sussman, that's
(46:41):
President Archer, you damn do it. Yeah, that would be great.
You don't just say no, Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. Yeah, man,
I'm in. I don't know where else you expand it
to if you don't utilize every everything you have at
your disposal, Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (46:59):
I like the idea of having these smaller stories sort
of Sandwich in Picard was nice that it like three
seasons and out like it's it's a nice little tale
about older Picard. I think there's parts I would take
her leave, but it would, it would. It was nice,
and I think in a similar show for Archer would
be really really cool. Like I don't think I need
(47:20):
to be like an ongoing seven season series, but just
like a short run about those characters in that time,
you know.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
Yeah, I tell you. Somebody pointed out the legacy screw
I mean legacy pitcard season three screwed up because they
the way they killed the Amanda plumbers change link character
as they threw out the airlock, as she froze in
space and shattered right, and then they like of talking
about the change links floating in space.
Speaker 3 (47:48):
Yeah, unperturbed. I thought they floated in space and some
sort of device. I didn't realize they were just floating.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
Yeah, I don't know, but I saw that, I don't know.
Immediately in my head, I just saw Picard like smashing
the ships in first contact, going.
Speaker 4 (48:00):
No no, I remember that that from I mean, Odo
just like floated in space for a long time until
he found until a scientist found him.
Speaker 3 (48:10):
But I guess I thought like he was in in something.
But maybe maybe maybe not, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
I don't know, but the way I had candidate immediately,
I was like, how do I fucking fix this? How
do I still enjoy it? For Card season three, ah
Odo was a young one.
Speaker 3 (48:24):
Yeah, I was gonna say exactly that, like maybe like
the older age, they couldn't handle the being frozen, or
maybe it was the form she was in when she
was kicked out, Who knows she.
Speaker 1 (48:34):
They'd become more solidified than bore brittle as they as they.
Speaker 3 (48:38):
Yeah, yeah, their solid forms become more solid. He was
so he was so young in liquidity, he didn't even
have a chance to freeze and shatter.
Speaker 1 (48:46):
Hey, Yeah, he was barely a jism gross Jiz. I'm true, live, long,
and prosper.
Speaker 5 (48:57):
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