July 18, 2025 • 43 mins
Strange New Worlds is back, and so are we – discussing part two of Hegemony! Let's see how the crew of the Enterprise gets out of this crazy mess, maman! I believe in them! Lord knows, maman -- they can get out of any jam with their super-fast solution abilities!
Episode Reviewed: Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 3x01 - "Hegemony, Part II"
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Episode Reviewed: Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 3x01 - "Hegemony, Part II"
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David C. Roberson
Matthew Carroll
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Strange New Worlds is back, and so are we discussing
Part two of Hegemony. Right after these words from these
Starfleet weapons buried in Dookie.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Welcome to Star Trek Reverse, the podcast when we sit
and chat about Star Trek me and my old friend Dave.
I'm Matthew Carroll. I'm David c.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Robertson.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
How you doing, buddy?
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Oh I don't know, man, I'm tired, and my wife
is out of town and I'm going out of town myself.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Mah, cats away.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Sure. When the cat's away, the mouse will go visit
his sisters and do some thrift store shopping.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
And cats away. The mouse will be clinically depressed that
his cat is gone.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
The mouse will attend his niece's birthday party.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
All right, well, uh, where where you where you're going?
Where you're where you're traveling to? Oh? Just down? Oh okay,
about hundred miles away? Hey, can you do me a favor? No?
Speaker 1 (01:14):
I can't, I really can't.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Okay, what the what do you want? I need a
viola delivered three blocks from Spencer's house, which I'm assuming
is where you're going. Okay, can you deliver a viola
for me?
Speaker 1 (01:31):
How big is a viola.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
It's it's like a smaller violin. Oh probably, yeah, thank you.
That would be awesome. I bet I rented a viola
and then the shop was closed when I'm pratvel to
return it, and now I need to return it. But
that would require an extra three hour drive to deliver
a viola. Yeah, but if you're going to travel, yeah, shop,
(01:55):
what's it is a store? Yeah, it's a store. Okay, Yeah,
we'll talk about it all off cast. I just that
that was the I thought it was a weird enough
thing to bring up. I need delivered, right.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
So I can't say you could say no.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
No, you did say no.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
If you could, if you could swing it by my house,
I'll do it.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Thanks man. That would be awesome. That would save me
a three hour drive. I appreciate that. Yeah, or fifty
dollars extra of like monthly rental of a viola. My
what we we had a we went we went on
vacation and my my fiance sister's partner was supposed to
bring her viola and didn't. So I called around to
(02:37):
music shops and rented a viola so we could jam
while we sat around the lake house. It was fun,
but but they were closed when I try to take
it back anyway. Sure, so let's talk Let's talk about
Star Trek. How about that? Okay? That makes sense? All right? Well,
uh so first episode we're back to Strange New Worlds
(02:58):
had Jiminy Part two? What'd you think? Man?
Speaker 1 (03:03):
I am really glad that they had an extensive recap.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Me too. I'm glad you said that because I was
actually gonna avoid saying it because I feel embarrassed. Like
I remember jim Any Part one. I really do, but
I just kind of forgot how uh how Cliffhangary it ended.
Like I remembered, I remembered Scottie, and I remembered the planet,
and I remember I kind of forgot that they kidnapped
(03:28):
half the crew, and so like I got there, I
was like, oh, did you any part two? And I
even remember talking about it on the cast that it
was gonna be Hitgiminny part two, And I was like,
just forgot to rewatch part one? I really meant too,
And I sat down and to watch it this morning.
I should have texted him and like, should we rewatch
Jimmy Part one? Since we both I didn't realize that
you have the same experience.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Uh yeah, I well, I basically like last night thought
I should rewatch a Jimmy Part one, and then about
thirty minutes past and I was like, I'm not doing that.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
I really wish I had. I didn't. I woke up
this morning and just threw on part two because I
know we're podcasting about it. But I remembered enough of it,
like to get a sense the the U and then
really there wasn't anything that prevented me, but I felt
like some of the emotional beats, like would have been
better if I had just watched to Present Me Part one. No.
I was good.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
I I you know, I got what they were going for.
I saw the recap, I went oh yeah, mm hmmm,
and then you know, it was fine.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Yeah. I liked it. It's a fun it's it's Star
Trek adventure episode, which I always enjoy it. Like it's
one of the things I like about Star Trek. You know,
it's not the deeper Uh, it's not one of the
deeper episodes. It's not one of the ones where I'm
like left going oh man. The emotional, the the the
ethical and emotional complexity of this wonderful decision, the captain
(04:54):
had to make. Uh, it's just like military type adventure
where you've got a captain trying to make these hard
decisions and you know, truly having to find the third
way around things and solve a problem while in the
middle while well risks watched weighing the decisions between risking
(05:15):
which group of people's lives, Like do I stay behind
and save the crew if it means putting the federal
the overall federation in more danger? Like I love those
kinds of things, but it all happens so fast that
it's all very Uh. I kind of wish they hadn't
gotten out of it so unscathed. I don't I'm assuming
(05:35):
Ortegas is gonna survive. But she she was the only
one that looked like at the end that she could
still die. I mean she was, she was in rough
shape at the end.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Yeah, she'll be fine.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Yeah, I like I wish she'd died. Not because I
hate Ortegis. I realized that that might be in your
brain as a reason to wish she didn't survive, but
like it would have. There's something about going through a
huge battle like this and not losing anyone that you know,
you know what I mean, like, yeah, it just makes
(06:05):
it seem like the show has less steaks, right, I
never feel like.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
The show has steaks, especially with like the end the
episode with like you're not out of the woods yet
talking to to Pike's girlfriend or whatever she is, and
we've seen her in other we've seen her in the trailers,
like we know she's fine.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Sure well, I got the sense that that was a
pretty done deal, like the way that she has like
you're not out of the woods yet, but like they
solve the initial problem by the way, you've got gorn
inside you still, right, It's like it's like, I'll let
them tell you about how they solve this. They fed
the gorn inside you and let you let do. I
(06:47):
thought it was a novel solution and I love it
because it doesn't rely on UNA's blood necessarily, and it
is something they could probably work out for the future
of the Gordon disease. I love a good solution, man,
and that's a fun one.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
The thing, you know, is something that's starting that current
star Trek does a lot of that. I feel like
it might take away from me, and I'm glad for
anyone who likes it. I'm not trying to shit on
the show necessarily in this instance, but because I will
in a minute. But you know, it's like, you know,
(07:19):
it's like New Doctor Who as well, like where it's
like you remember how Old Star Trek like TNG or whatever.
They would have like one primary problem, yes, and they
would try to like work that and figure it out.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
And this is like.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Five primary problems, like and and they just like go
talk at like warp speed, and I'm like, I don't
even know what fun they're talking about anymore. I'm like, Okay, well,
I guess that worked. Whatever it was.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
I did have the problem not keeping up, But I
did feel like the problems were the kinds of problems
that in the olden days would have been an entire episode.
There was at least five full episode, like you think
about they're in the war with the Dominion and it's
like we got to figure out and it would be
like the the whole thing of Scotty trying to solve
(08:09):
the cloaking device would have been an entire episode, maybe
two episodes of like him, there's like, you know, there's
Gorn closing in and they're just trying to solve that.
And then that becomes a part of a bigger battle later,
you know what I mean. Like, but but instead it
was like that mixed in with the problem of the
binary star where they had to solve the cl like this, this,
(08:30):
this could have this entire episode could have been a season,
is what I'm saying. Like, like they had enough episodes
in this, enough problems that could have been stretched out
and like complicated and emotional that they could have made
an entire season out of this. Now I'm not saying
that they should have necessarily done that, but like, you know,
you throw in a couple episodes with like Vic Fonteyne
or whatever, and you've got an entire season of a
(08:52):
worth of problems and it's all packed in one and
just boom boom boom boom boom.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Which that was a problem in the opposite direction that
was that's like we don't need a Vic Fontane episode
or three in the final season of DS nine.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Oh I disagree completely. I disagree completely. You need them
and the way they use them, like that the one
where uh.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Take me out to the hollow suite, like I want
to see.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
The suite whatever, But think about the Knag episode where
he gets overly focused and that was great, amazing, great
that Fontaine episode. That's what I'm saying, Like they use
them well. I'm not saying every season used it well,
but that final season I think they actually use them
really well.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Right, But yeah, anyway, I just it's not that I
couldn't keep up. I just felt a little like overwhelmed,
Like oh lord, they are just like blasting through these problems,
like and they're like problems that I feel like they
maybe shouldn't be like flying through so.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Quickly, like mm hmm exactly.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
They're coming up with stuff. It's just like it's almost
like this was written for you guys.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Yeah, that's true. It does not feel like they're solving something.
It feels, yeah, like it's a one thing. Like they're
using the computer to do these simulations of what would
happen to her body, but like and that works, that
is the thing that we've seen on Star Trek before.
But it just felt so how about this computer tell
(10:11):
me instead of like trial error experimentation, like things that
would have felt more weighty in another version of that story,
Like it absolutely could have this this first battle, they
could have gone back, they could have had their part
of their crew trapped for a couple of episodes, you know,
like they have had an episode about the crew trying
(10:32):
to get out, while you've got an episode of them
reconvening with the Federation and trying to solve the problem
of the of the infection. You know, like they could
really stretched this out. And so I'm with you. I
think this this this was rushed. A fun episode. I
don't hate it, but but I do feel it. I
do feel like throughout it's just a boom boom boom.
(10:53):
Every part of it I like, but every part of
it feels like they're trying to tell me fifteen parts
and not really focus on anyone.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Yeah, and I wish I could impart to them my
feelings on this, Like, and I know I do like
I if I don't prefer it, I do not mind
it when things are slower paced, but especially like having
gone back and I know I haven't put out a
(11:22):
new episode on this in a while where everyone's been
busy and everything's been going on, but going back through
the original series with Fie, just like it's so refreshing
to see like how they will take you know, they'll
have like a main problem and then like a b
plot problem. Yeah, Like often to fill that time, they
(11:43):
give a suspense and it winds up being actually really
good suspense, like they're trying to work a problem and
trying to figure something out. And often they don't even
have to do it with a ton of dialogue.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
It's just.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
We know that they're working on it, and they're like
looking at each other thing that maybe you have like
a sound effect going off, we know that something's coming closer,
you know. I don't know, there's there's something that you
could do with suspense that I feel like they're just
throwing shit at you and in these new episodes and
you're just like, oh my god, Okay.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
I agree completely with this specific episode. I don't think
that's the way necessarily of all Strange New Worlds. I
think Strange New Worlds has done a pretty good job
of having a concept sticking to that for an episode.
But this episode is just I mean, if anything, I
could have at least used a two parter or something.
It just felt like, I mean, it is a two
a three parter. I guess it's just so fast paced
(12:38):
and so all over the place.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
It's not a problem in every episode. No, yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's a. It's a thing that happens a lot in
today's television in general.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Though, oh yeah, for sure. We we just got done
coming Ironheart on the MCU cast and really like the show.
Some awesome stuff in it, really cool, like they've got
it's like kind of what you always wanted with like uh,
iron Man in comics deals with like the Mandarin or whatever,
(13:09):
and it's like you have the science fiction elements versus
the spiritual elements, you know, and that's really cool. Ironheart
did that and it was really cool, really fun to see.
But the kind of similar to what we're talking about,
where you have a problem and you just like say
a thing and you move past it. She was like
(13:29):
a fixing her suit every episode and adding to it
or changing it in ways that were like Tony Stark level.
But she doesn't have the billion dollar lab to like
fabricate stuff. So it's like I'm in the garage, I'm
gonna build a new suit. Three hours later, here's my
new suit. It's like what wait? No, And it wasn't
all new, Like, it wasn't totally unplausible, but there was
(13:53):
there were moments that felt really unplausible. So yeah, or
one point so some character does something. She's like, to sit,
fix this, I need. I need to upload a virus
to this da DA here's the virus I need and
just does it and it's like you had these viruses
stored for this purpose, Like I don't really, instead of
(14:13):
it's just like what we're talking about with this episode,
it's like this sort of like you need you have
a tech problem to solve. It's a little better than
technobabble because they do actually solve the problem and like
come up with a reason for it, but like it's
not far from technobabble, you know what I mean. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
So one of the things that bugged me about this
episode though, was like, and it's a thing that they
do a lot in All Star Trek and they've kind
of doubled down on it in the last several years.
But we have like this, you know, this message from
April where he's like, we just got the priority message.
How much time do we have before the Gorn ships
get here? And Pike says like, nor last transmission, we
(14:54):
won't be seeing the Gorn at least for not for
a while, and he's like it's almost like Zach Brannigan
for Futurama as he's like spins of the turbo lift
to look at the camera. April goes, how certain are you?
And he goes, let's just say I found a way
to punch back, like I want to see the line
right after where he's like, no, seriously, I actually need
(15:14):
real estimates on this, like we are a military operation.
I actually need to make a report. I can't just
put down a Quippi line. Chris, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
I think that's a if they did the other thing
where they undercut it by being like we would think
it was too silly, Like sometimes you got to play
those like big moments straight, you know what I mean,
even if they're a little silly. There's this sort of
modern thing where you have this like meta analysis of
all the like sort of you know, yes, do this,
do it. And then they're like, wait, captain, but I
(15:49):
actually need you to explain what you you know, that
sort of like I don't know, there's a certain but
that undercuts this sort of like pulpy nature of the
show that can be undercutting, undermining if you will, And
like I like that they just like it feels very
original series, even Nixturation, where sometimes they just they just
(16:10):
have to have a cool line and they just go
out with it, you know.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Yeah, except I always felt like that undercut it as well,
like I, you know, maybe have like a scene there
at the end where they're talking over transmission or something
where it's like I wish I knew or something, you know, like, yeah,
our scientists don't you know, figure maybe we have this
many years or you.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Know, idea which we don't know of another time the
Gorn emerge.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Really well, they have to know. They have to know,
because that way they if they didn't know, they couldn't
have come up with a pattern.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Well that's necessarily true. They know what pattern puts them
to sleep from previous times, and they know what pattern
awakens them, I guess, but they don't haven't necessarily analyzed
those yet. They may know soon Mia.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
That's how they they found out what the pattern was
is by knowing when they came back from the first
from the last time.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Maybe Yeah, I don't know, Yeah, I guess they they
had to. Well, they analyzed when they've gone to sleep
and when they've woken up, and when what happened what
was happening those stars at those times. But that doesn't
necessarily mean the Star is on a consistent pattern and
then we know what the Star will do in the future.
But yeah, uh, I feel like it's aw dodgy as
(17:22):
shit anyway, but sure, yeah, it definitely is. My My
what I like about it is I'm wondering if he
said this is a problem, you know, for another captain
to solving the future or whatever. So I've created a problem.
So I'm wondering if now, like we'll see him returning,
like uh, if we ever get like a start Trek
legacy or start Trek like that, like two hundred years
(17:43):
in the future, we get them emerging again, we get
the Gorn back, you know.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Well timeline wise, it should at least be when Arena
happens in the original series.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
See, I disagree. I think that's a sleepy Gorn. Why
because like he operates totally differently. He's all slow and lethargic,
Like that's a Gorn. It like they have all these
uh you know, they talk about the Gorn as if
it's this big, dangerous thing. Then they meet it. It's
this slow, lumbering thing that that Kirk has to fight
(18:15):
and it's still strong, but it's lumbering and I'm wondering
if that is sort of an explanation of this is
the Gorn proper? The Gorn we saw in that episode
was part of a should have been hibernating Gorn that
got left behind or something and has been captured and
is being used in this arena. But it's still a
sleepy Gorn. It wants to be hibernating, and I'm wondering
(18:35):
if that's why it's the slow and arena.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Yeah, maybe I always assumed or what my what I
had cannon was, uh, you know, the the metrons put
him on, put Kirk on a planet where he was
a little hot, and he put the Gorn on a
planet where he would be a little cold, and lizards
move way slower when they're cold.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Yeah, that's what I like that.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
I like that so because they were trying to make
it even between Kirk and the Gorn, Yeah right, you
know when or whatever.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Yeah, I like that. Either way, I just think it's
it's a fun little uh So, so either way, that
particular Gorn that we see in the arena could have
been plucked out or left behind or whatever, like, Yeah,
it's not necessarily awakened the entire fleet isn't awaken necessarily,
so it could be two hundred years from now.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
The only thing that conflicts with that, I was thinking
about exactly what you were saying, Like they're analyzing the
history of these reports. What reports are they analyzing? Is
it Federation reports? Because they've only been around for like
one hundred and fifty years or whatever, so like it
doesn't make sense. I guess I guess the Vulcans may
have reports too of the Gordon.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Yeah, they I mean, once the Vulcans became part of
the Federation, they would have access to all the Vulcan
star charts and.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Yeah, and the Indy and all that stuff. Like, yeah,
I guess, I guess they have all the all the
history and the rumors from all the stuff before Earth
got involved with the Federation.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Okay, you know in the original series, I say that,
which Look, man, here's the thing is, like Arena is
not even Cannon anymore, not to this, because like back
then they were like, we don't know anything about the Gord,
like fucking what the hell? Or the Gorn, Well, I
don't know. We kind of like we've heard rumors. Man,
we would have known more about them.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
You know, yeah, clearly, uh, Keptain Pike knows a good
bit at this point, his crew knows a good bit.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
I just I mean, they've outright said it on the show.
They've overwritten the original series history or either that or
is a parallel universe, and that's fine. I'm just you know,
it's it's you know sometimes like the producers talk about like, oh, yeah,
we're leading up to the original series and they've they've
said it again, like how like oh, yeah, the show
will end with Kirk and the command Okay, all right, fine,
(20:44):
but like why are they so worried about it because
they've already over like, you know, like rewritten it.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Yeah. I hear you.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
I hear you, But I still want to do it myself.
I'm like, well I should come up with Arena.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Oh wait, right exactly. We're having the conversation, and I
think we kind of have to. It's it's fun that way.
It is annoying thing ignore anyway. Yeah, so I feel
like we got a lot of guess you're talking about
Ortegas and her her what should have been her death
scene absolutely should have been, should have been her death
(21:17):
scene just should have been.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
That's the only reason I wouldn't have been upset that
she said my name is Eric Ortegas, that I fly
the ship.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Like I agree. I think I didn't mind that. As
we talked about on the show, like I really liked
that run for her, like that that concept that she's
like coming into her purpose or whatever, and she's realizing
that like doing a task and doing it well is
something she values and like she's gonna do her purpose.
And then when she says, I've got to do it,
(21:45):
it's got to be me and she said there bleeding out,
I was like yeah, And I was waiting on her
to say I'm Eric Ortegas and I fly the ship
like I. As she died, like I was really waiting,
I said, blood was moving across the panel. I was like, yes,
say it again. It is your purpose and you are
happy to have died fulfilling your purpose. I love that stuff.
If she doesn't die, it doesn't hit as hard.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Once again, I know she wouldn't die because she was
in the trailer.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
I I don't. I don't. I don't pay attention to
the trailers. That that that hard. I mean, even though
we talk about them. I try not to let that
infest my knowledge. Of what's going on.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
I mean, it's not infesting, well except for that vulcan clip,
which is just awful.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
But yeah, it's true.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Yeah to me that I'm Meeric Artegas, I fly the ship.
Like there's so much that goes into flying a ship.
To dumb it down to that is always just bugged me.
It sounds it's just rain Mannish.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
I disagree. I disagree. It's Tom Parris also flies the ship.
That's his thing, you know, like he's he's a fly boy.
He's a and that's why he likes the smaller ships
because he and that's why they give him helm control
when it's time to really do the maneuvers, you know,
like that's that's a thing in Star Trek, Like that's
that's pretty normal.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Yes, the action is normal, but the language is always
a lot more technical.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Ah, Like sure when you're actually talking technically, but if
you're having like your own existential crisis about who you are,
like yeah, I don't know. I just think about characters
like Tom Parris who are like they reduced themselves down
to like yeah, I just like uh, I like old cars,
I like old vehicles. I like I like racing, I
(23:29):
like flying that's just who he is. So to put
that on her and act like it's weird as I don't.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Know, you know, I I just think it's cringe as hell.
That's just my thing.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
I get it. I get it. Like I I don't
expect you to like it. If I do, I think
it is cringe. I just like like I to be cringe,
just to be free.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
As they say, yeah, uh well, there's a whole bit
in there where they're like, you can fly that thing, right,
you can fly anything?
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Right.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
She's like, don't be rude, of course I can. And
she spends like fifteen seconds going like doing all these
phases of shit, and I'm like, y'all are in the
middle of like a life and dead situation. Just be like, yeah, well.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
I just took that as she's saying, yes, I can
fly it because she believes she can, and she believes
she has to because she's the one with the skills,
but she's also lost half her hand, and she's going
like she's questioning herself. That was that look? That the
way I took that look anyway?
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Oh yeah, I didn't say that at all. I just
thought it was a stupid comedy moment that undercut everything.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
No, I didn't think that. I thought it was the
camera lingered on her to be let for her to'll
be like, uh yeah, I can do it, and then
she's like kind of like can I do it? I
just committed to it.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
I don't know, Well, see, sometimes it works. Though. It
was like where Pike was talking about their plan working
whether and her goes it should unless one of them
decides to look out of a window and Pike gives
a look like well fuck, don't say that. That was
pretty good, but Spock and Chapel discussing their relationship, well,
what's her face is dying? Not so good?
Speaker 2 (25:06):
I agree. It annoyed me when they started to but
it did go so fast that it didn't bother me.
If they'd had like a five minute conversation while they're
like if they I don't know at what point they
were in the process, at least if they were like
waiting on a simulation to finish or something. I was like, okay,
well then I don't mind it. Like they're waiting on
a simulation to finish. They got a minute, and they
(25:26):
only took a minute to do it. Like I was
fine with it, but I know.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Would have been working on three of his own simulations
in his head instead of talking to Chapel about feelings.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
But whatever, man, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
This new generation, this new generation's gotta rely on computers
to do all their thinking for them.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Yeah, I completely agree with that. I think the way
they displayed the medical science in this episode and like
they just like kind of come up with, almost as
far as I can tell, random ideas, like didn't really
like when they're like, what about if we do this
and she's like, oh, that O'Ryan's drug good idea, they
never said why it's a good idea, Like maybe like, oh,
(26:04):
that Orion's street rug we encountered, and maybe if they'd
planted that six episodes ago, and like we understand why
that Orion Street dut drug slows the blood stream or something,
you know, like some sort of thing that it does
to the body that might slow this down. Like that
seemed like it would make more sense to me. But
they didn't do that. They were like, oh, yes, that
Oryan Street rug, great idea. Oh no, the computer says
(26:25):
that wouldn't work. Like it was very we're just throwing out.
It's always felt like spaghetti at the wall and the
computer will tell us if it'll work. And that doesn't
feel right to me?
Speaker 1 (26:34):
And does the computer only isn't only capable of running
one simulation at a time?
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Like, right, I was thinking the same thing.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
If they're around coming, Like, oh, well, that one's one
hundred percent fatality too, Okay, we'll.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Try this, Like why do you try these eighteen scenarios?
Why does it if the computer knows all this? Why
isn't the computer just give us the idea at that point? Right,
why isn't the computer Like, well, I will recommend that
you might try this. It is a thing that would
that a scene we've seen them try on other chips
where they've been born infections or whatever.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Yeah, that kind of stuff bugs me.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Me too, Me too, I completely agree.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Yeah, sorry everyone, we're back with a new season of Bitch.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
And m I. I'm not here to bitch. I really like.
There's obviously things that we're gonna complain about, but like
I I like this. I like this episode.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
I didn't take the time to go back and look
at the old opening credits, but this is the new opening.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Credit, right, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
I'm pretty sure I haven't seen most of that imagery.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Okay, I'm not sure. I'm I'm a bad, bad fan.
I tend to skip them if I've seen Like I said,
I watched them the first couple of times, then I
just tend to skip them because I'm a lot of
times i'm podcasting and I'm like, oh, I get into
the episode, so I didn't I watched it this time,
but I don't remember if it's the same one.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Yeah, I think there are a couple of shots that
are the same, but I think they're going to different
worlds and different things are happening.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Okay, cool. What did you think of Scotty.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
There's sort of an ADHD factor that makes me feel
closer to him the whole like I can't solve a
problem unless I don't have any time to do it.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Yeah, it's a nice weecon textualization of the problem that
we is this sort of way he functions in the
original series, which is, you know, he's always given these
timetables and the Captain will say like, oh, no, cut
that in half, I need it this, I need it
by this time, and he's like, well, I'll do my bess, Captain,
(28:42):
and it's like he it sort of seems like Kirk
knows that about him. It's never discussed that way, but
Kirk knows, like, no, if I give you. I loved
that moment when she runs it like we've ever seen
that sort of pressure work on Scotty in that way,
and I I loved her when she came in there
was like the corner here, we have to do it now,
(29:03):
and he just like went into like I don't know,
flo a flow state and started fixing it the way
he'd done on the planet when he was in trouble.
That was cool. It was a cool concept, and I
hope they don't overdo it, but like I liked the
sort of that's how he works, and Kirk knows that,
and that's why Kirk does the way he does.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Yeah, that is a thing I hope that they don't overdo.
I was specifically concerned about that. I felt like, this
is another opportunity for them to like eighty sitcom catch
phrasesation it where it's just like, oh, well, we established
that in this episode and people liked it. So now
every episode we're gonna have him doing this is his
(29:45):
character Quirk, And I'm like, oh, please don't do that exactly.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Yeah, but yeah, I did like it.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
And by the way, this is the most I've liked Pelia.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Oh yeah, good cool. Yeah, yeah, I liked her too.
I liked her a lot in this episode. And she
is his teacher, which I thought was really a fun
thing where she's like complaining about him as a student,
which I know we saw a little bit in the
last episode, but it was cool.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Document your work.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Yeah, that was a lot of fun. This is exactly
why you do that, so you remember how you put
this together.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
But dude, I felt that so hard too, because like
I do that kind of stuff where I'll like do
something and I'd be like, all right, that works, and
then I've got to replicate it.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
I'm like, oh, for how did I do? Like it
made me think of times when I've done, like whatever,
fixed a file that had a certain kind of sound
in it or something, and I and I go back
and I'm like, oh, man, I know I fixed this before,
but what tool did I use? What software did I do? Like, Okay,
I guess I've got to start over and retry all
(30:45):
the same fifty steps I did to figure it out
last time.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Every time I unhooked my computer and change it and
then look back I'm like, I've got all these coors
and everything, Like, how the hell did I hook all
this shit up?
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Yeah, I don't know if that's you know, maybe that's
ANHD thing like you were saying a minute ago. But
the whole like it's looking at like a bundle of
wires and connections and things is really hard for me
until I've done it fifteen times. Like now that I've
been traveling over the last six years, a lot more,
Like breaking down my computer and resetting it up is
(31:19):
a lot faster now, Like it's like a click click click,
Like it's if I feel like Scotty when he did
the thing at the in that in that moment. But uh,
back in the day when I would break my computer
down and I was always like okay, I had to
like trace my steps like this cable goes to here
and this goes to here, and make sure like I
have all the right parts in my computer bag to
(31:40):
make sure I take to my next stop.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
I used to move my computer around a lot more
and it was a lot quicker for me, like I
but like now it's like I set it up, but
it's like that for like six months to a year exactly. Yeah,
so anytime I move it, I'm just like what was
this again? Like it's just like total overwhelmed. I'm like,
oh man, I've got a lot more shit. There's more,
a lot more devices and stuff that I just how
(32:05):
did I do this?
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Back when I was going back and forth to Dallas
a lot every month, I finally got to the point
where I had everything I needed in my bag and
the only thing I had to remove from my setup
was the computer itself. And then so I had like
my desk at home and my desk in Dallas, and
it was like I just removed my computer and plugged
one cable in and that was really sweet. But that
(32:28):
that required like having a desk set up all the
time in both places. But uh yeah, nowadays, I yeah,
I don't have that anymore. It's a little more take
everything apart situation. Now.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
I'm looking into getting a KVM switch, So that's gonna
be that's I don't know what that is. Oh, it
is a box that you plug your monitors and your
keyboard and your mouse and your external hard drive into
and then you plug that into both of your computers.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
Just like hit a button and switched between your two computers.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
I've seen that. I've seen that. That's really cool, really
really cool. Yeah all right, well, I'm trying to say
if we've missed any characters that we we should have
talked about. We got more La on like freaking out
about her past with the Gorn, which you know, I
don't know, I guess, I guess I didn't. I didn't
have any new feelings about it. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
They tried to like bring that back because they were like, ah,
this was pretty heavy in the first part, we should
probably bring this up again.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Ah, they didn't do anything with it. I think it's yeah,
like I think if they had had uh, they had
too much going on in this episode. So yeah, it
almost felt like leave that in the last episode. Maybe
have one flash of a reminder when everyone's about to
die so that like makes her buck up and do
her thing. But like, I didn't need it as much
as they put it in this episode.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
We had that one little pep talk where they were like, okay, you,
I know you're back there, but it's pretty bad here
so we need you hear and.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I found Chris pikes portrayal of this
episode awesome. I love dance and Mount putting forth like
the weight of the world is on his shoulders, but
he also just wants to think about Batel, Like he
just wants to be down there taking care of her.
(34:18):
He wants to save her, he wants to be with
her if they can't save her, but like he can't
do that because he's the captain and it's just he
is completely overwhelmed in this way that like I really
identify with when there's just so many fires to put out,
so many things to do, so many options, all of
them bad. Yeah, it was just really really impactful, like
(34:40):
really emotional for me to watch him just be completely
overwhelmed and trying to solve it in a way that
like they did a good job of making it emotional
for me in a way that in a lot of
Star Trek that's going on, but it's very clinical. They
still had a lot of fun like here's your option,
(35:00):
here's why that each one would be good or bad.
But his like that is the one probably benefit of
this episode being so packed and so speedy and have
to make some decisions quickly. He really showed the overwhelm
on Pike and man, he needs a break. He really
needs a break.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Yeah, And I liked that because I liked that bit
where the person at the con or whatever is like
all like or the helm is looking really haggard, and
like he's like, Okay, you've been you've been running. You
need to get some relief. And she's like, no, I'm
not gonna do I'm not gonna leave until we get
(35:41):
everyone back, and he's like okay. But like part of
me at first was just like, no, that's bullshit. He
should have like forced her to leave because she's clearly exhausted.
But then I was like no, because that's what he's doing,
and he's he wouldn't give up there, so he's admiring
her resolve and yeah, he's.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Like he wouldn't want anyone else to kick him off
this duty.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
So though at the same time, obviously they're going like, yeah,
mission might be more successful if she's replaced.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, like that that's the thing. He's making
emotional decisions throughout this episode. I think the one in
a thousand shot to do this thing versus going and
warning the Federation not necessarily the right call, probably the
wrong call, but like it was the one that it
was the have a little faith call. It was the
(36:32):
let's make let's make do what we can do to
save everyone, which it's actually funny. I know you, I'm
sure you remember this. But in Infinity War for the MCU,
the Avengers Infinity War, the whole thing is, uh, we
don't we don't trade lives. It's their whole motto. And
then they end up losing, and then they come back
(36:52):
in an endgame and the whole thing is whatever it takes,
like we we do basically we don't trade lives. Oh
that made us lose, And they come back and they
have to have whatever it takes. And they had a
moment in this episode where they're talking to Battel, where
Chapel is talking to Betel and she says, yeah, whatever
it takes, whatever it takes, like yeah, of course, like
(37:14):
we will uh, we will kill you if it means
saving the crew, like we're not gonna let you destroy
the crew, and and I think that was really nice,
a nice sentiment, but it did not manifest in this episode.
They went into say and saved everyone, Like they went
in and like we got them all, we got all
the colonists, we got all the crew, even the one
that was bleeding out on the console as she ostensibly
(37:36):
served her like ultimate purpose, She's probably gonna make it too,
like and the way they didn't resolve that, which makes
me wonder if she was supposed to die and then
they took that moment out like because when they when
they beam out, they never go back to her and
go we got her patched up, Captain like whatever. If
it made me wonder if like they decided after shooting
this episode they were like, you know what, actually, let's
(37:59):
keep Ortegas around because like, I felt like that was
such a great death for her and they just kind
of robbed her of that. I think unless they were
lying to us in the trailers and she's uh not
really in the rest of the season, I mean they
could be.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
It could be lying and like all those little dude
that would be so good, it would be so good.
It would be so good. Looks like the opposite of
what Marvel does. You know how they just like will
erase characters from the from the trailers so you don't see.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Or add them. They've added them there, there's a have
they done that yet? Yeah? Well, in Infinity War, one
of the biggest moments in the trailer was all of
the Avengers running together towards the camera and the Hulk
is running alongside all of them. Hulk never appears in
that movie. Banner does, but the Hulk never emerges. So
there's there's a moment in Wakanda in the trailer where
they're all running side by side. It's this big epic moment, like,
(38:46):
where's that moment happening? And it never happens. They just lose.
It's like a great cray. It's such a great trailer
moment because it totally tricked us all into like, Okay, eventually,
you know, Hulk's gonna come out, They're gonna fight Thanos,
the whole team will win, but it just never happens,
and then the snap. You know, really, I love that
kind of stuff. I on on MCU cast. One of
(39:09):
my catchphrases, I'm always yelling lie to me, Marvel, lie
to me, like I don't want to know what's happening.
And they have over the years the same thing with them.
You talked about removing. Obviously, with The Spider Man No
Way Home, they did a lot of removal where they
removed characters who ended up showing up in the movie.
They didn't want to reveal.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Yeah, so if they like but if they went further
and shot scenes with the ortega like her being angry
that her is into her brother or something like the
whole like.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Oh, that would be so funny. I forgot about that scene.
So yeah, that would be really funny. Especially what if
like yeah, oh.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Or if she's just imagining her it's like a doctor
Cox scrub situation.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
Oh, now that would be intense. That would be And
maybe her brother is there for her funeral. Yeah, yeah,
that was. Now now again, we're writing things that are
not gonna happen, and we're gonna be two. We're gonna like,
we're gonna see them in the in the path of
the season, and then they don't happen and we're gonna
be mad. Oh yeah, I remember we were talking about
(40:14):
like I don't even remember. We had like a whole
thing with like uprising of holograms and stuff, and maybe
they were like the the guys on the ship from
Picard might be like acolytes of the Photons be free
book and like that, like like, and I was so
excited about the possibility of that, and then they just
never did anything with those Uh you know, holographic characters.
(40:36):
I was like, oh man.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
I felt like doing my only Captain Cisco impersonation, which
my wife and I do almost every week at least.
It's from the first episode of DS nine where he's
he's with Jennifer on the beach or you know, in
the past. That's it. That's it.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Yeah, that's great, that's great. I do exactly what you're
talking about. All right, Well, any of the last thoughts
on this episode, no, man, I'm.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
I'm down to look at the next episode.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Oh come back. One thing that did hit me hard
emotionally as well is the Spock and Chapel saying goodbye
and her and her saying, you know we He's just
such a puppy dog right now for her, and it
just makes me so sad because he wants to be
with her. He's too scared to show his emotions, or
(41:37):
he won't show his emotions. He's trying his best not to,
but he's clearly like so into her, and she is
saying to him like this will be good for us,
and he's like, all right, cool, and she's like, I
don't mean us, I mean like us as human beings separately,
and he's like, uh, I don't understand, don't do anything stupid,
(42:00):
wait for me, And he's like, what wait, You're not
gonna wait for me? Like it's a it's a very
he's not he's not questioning these things. He's not throwing
out his thoughts because he doesn't know how to deal
with these kinds of conversations. I feel like, and the
emotions that he's clearly having under the surface that he's
trying to suppress. Yeah, it worked for me. I thought
it was really good, and it made me really sad
(42:21):
when when he when he just disappears down the hallway.
Maybe really sad.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
Yeah, you know, yeah, it didn't make me sad because
when she looks back and he's not there. There's been
a small there's been well, not even necessarily small, there's
been a segment of fandom who's been like really trying
to get James Gunn to cast Ethan Peck for Batman
and the DCU.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
That's too good. Yeah, that's too good of a of
a Batman reference. I thought of Batman too, and actually
that's fun. That's really I wonder if that was on purpose,
because that's definitely a bit he pulled a Batman yeah
he did Chaplistic Commissioner Gordon all right, well, uh well
this fun and I'm excited to watch the next episode
and cast about it. We'll be right back here on
the Star Trek Universe podcast with that. Probably will probably
(43:06):
separate these by a day or two, so stay stay
in the feed, like subscribe if you're finding us for
the first time. Appreciate y'all, peace.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
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(43:43):
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Strange New Worlds is back, and so are we discussing
Part two of Hegemony. Right after these words from these
Starfleet weapons buried in Dookie.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Welcome to Star Trek Reverse, the podcast when we sit
and chat about Star Trek me and my old friend Dave.
I'm Matthew Carroll. I'm David c.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Robertson.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
How you doing, buddy?
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Oh I don't know, man, I'm tired, and my wife
is out of town and I'm going out of town myself.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Mah, cats away.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Sure. When the cat's away, the mouse will go visit
his sisters and do some thrift store shopping.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
And cats away. The mouse will be clinically depressed that
his cat is gone.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
The mouse will attend his niece's birthday party.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
All right, well, uh, where where you where you're going?
Where you're where you're traveling to? Oh? Just down? Oh okay,
about hundred miles away? Hey, can you do me a favor? No?
Speaker 1 (01:14):
I can't, I really can't.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Okay, what the what do you want? I need a
viola delivered three blocks from Spencer's house, which I'm assuming
is where you're going. Okay, can you deliver a viola
for me?
Speaker 1 (01:31):
How big is a viola.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
It's it's like a smaller violin. Oh probably, yeah, thank you.
That would be awesome. I bet I rented a viola
and then the shop was closed when I'm pratvel to
return it, and now I need to return it. But
that would require an extra three hour drive to deliver
a viola. Yeah, but if you're going to travel, yeah, shop,
(01:55):
what's it is a store? Yeah, it's a store. Okay, Yeah,
we'll talk about it all off cast. I just that
that was the I thought it was a weird enough
thing to bring up. I need delivered, right.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
So I can't say you could say no.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
No, you did say no.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
If you could, if you could swing it by my house,
I'll do it.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Thanks man. That would be awesome. That would save me
a three hour drive. I appreciate that. Yeah, or fifty
dollars extra of like monthly rental of a viola. My
what we we had a we went we went on
vacation and my my fiance sister's partner was supposed to
bring her viola and didn't. So I called around to
(02:37):
music shops and rented a viola so we could jam
while we sat around the lake house. It was fun,
but but they were closed when I try to take
it back anyway. Sure, so let's talk Let's talk about
Star Trek. How about that? Okay? That makes sense? All right? Well,
uh so first episode we're back to Strange New Worlds
(02:58):
had Jiminy Part two? What'd you think? Man?
Speaker 1 (03:03):
I am really glad that they had an extensive recap.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Me too. I'm glad you said that because I was
actually gonna avoid saying it because I feel embarrassed. Like
I remember jim Any Part one. I really do, but
I just kind of forgot how uh how Cliffhangary it ended.
Like I remembered, I remembered Scottie, and I remembered the planet,
and I remember I kind of forgot that they kidnapped
(03:28):
half the crew, and so like I got there, I
was like, oh, did you any part two? And I
even remember talking about it on the cast that it
was gonna be Hitgiminny part two, And I was like,
just forgot to rewatch part one? I really meant too,
And I sat down and to watch it this morning.
I should have texted him and like, should we rewatch
Jimmy Part one? Since we both I didn't realize that
you have the same experience.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Uh yeah, I well, I basically like last night thought
I should rewatch a Jimmy Part one, and then about
thirty minutes past and I was like, I'm not doing that.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
I really wish I had. I didn't. I woke up
this morning and just threw on part two because I
know we're podcasting about it. But I remembered enough of it,
like to get a sense the the U and then
really there wasn't anything that prevented me, but I felt
like some of the emotional beats, like would have been
better if I had just watched to Present Me Part one. No.
I was good.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
I I you know, I got what they were going for.
I saw the recap, I went oh yeah, mm hmmm,
and then you know, it was fine.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Yeah. I liked it. It's a fun it's it's Star
Trek adventure episode, which I always enjoy it. Like it's
one of the things I like about Star Trek. You know,
it's not the deeper Uh, it's not one of the
deeper episodes. It's not one of the ones where I'm
like left going oh man. The emotional, the the the
ethical and emotional complexity of this wonderful decision, the captain
(04:54):
had to make. Uh, it's just like military type adventure
where you've got a captain trying to make these hard
decisions and you know, truly having to find the third
way around things and solve a problem while in the
middle while well risks watched weighing the decisions between risking
(05:15):
which group of people's lives, Like do I stay behind
and save the crew if it means putting the federal
the overall federation in more danger? Like I love those
kinds of things, but it all happens so fast that
it's all very Uh. I kind of wish they hadn't
gotten out of it so unscathed. I don't I'm assuming
(05:35):
Ortegas is gonna survive. But she she was the only
one that looked like at the end that she could
still die. I mean she was, she was in rough
shape at the end.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Yeah, she'll be fine.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Yeah, I like I wish she'd died. Not because I
hate Ortegis. I realized that that might be in your
brain as a reason to wish she didn't survive, but
like it would have. There's something about going through a
huge battle like this and not losing anyone that you know,
you know what I mean, like, yeah, it just makes
(06:05):
it seem like the show has less steaks, right, I
never feel like.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
The show has steaks, especially with like the end the
episode with like you're not out of the woods yet
talking to to Pike's girlfriend or whatever she is, and
we've seen her in other we've seen her in the trailers,
like we know she's fine.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Sure well, I got the sense that that was a
pretty done deal, like the way that she has like
you're not out of the woods yet, but like they
solve the initial problem by the way, you've got gorn
inside you still, right, It's like it's like, I'll let
them tell you about how they solve this. They fed
the gorn inside you and let you let do. I
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thought it was a novel solution and I love it
because it doesn't rely on UNA's blood necessarily, and it
is something they could probably work out for the future
of the Gordon disease. I love a good solution, man,
and that's a fun one.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
The thing, you know, is something that's starting that current
star Trek does a lot of that. I feel like
it might take away from me, and I'm glad for
anyone who likes it. I'm not trying to shit on
the show necessarily in this instance, but because I will
in a minute. But you know, it's like, you know,
(07:19):
it's like New Doctor Who as well, like where it's
like you remember how Old Star Trek like TNG or whatever.
They would have like one primary problem, yes, and they
would try to like work that and figure it out.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
And this is like.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Five primary problems, like and and they just like go
talk at like warp speed, and I'm like, I don't
even know what fun they're talking about anymore. I'm like, Okay, well,
I guess that worked. Whatever it was.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
I did have the problem not keeping up, But I
did feel like the problems were the kinds of problems
that in the olden days would have been an entire episode.
There was at least five full episode, like you think
about they're in the war with the Dominion and it's
like we got to figure out and it would be
like the the whole thing of Scotty trying to solve
(08:09):
the cloaking device would have been an entire episode, maybe
two episodes of like him, there's like, you know, there's
Gorn closing in and they're just trying to solve that.
And then that becomes a part of a bigger battle later,
you know what I mean. Like, but but instead it
was like that mixed in with the problem of the
binary star where they had to solve the cl like this, this,
(08:30):
this could have this entire episode could have been a season,
is what I'm saying. Like, like they had enough episodes
in this, enough problems that could have been stretched out
and like complicated and emotional that they could have made
an entire season out of this. Now I'm not saying
that they should have necessarily done that, but like, you know,
you throw in a couple episodes with like Vic Fonteyne
or whatever, and you've got an entire season of a
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worth of problems and it's all packed in one and
just boom boom boom boom boom.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Which that was a problem in the opposite direction that
was that's like we don't need a Vic Fontane episode
or three in the final season of DS nine.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Oh I disagree completely. I disagree completely. You need them
and the way they use them, like that the one
where uh.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Take me out to the hollow suite, like I want
to see.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
The suite whatever, But think about the Knag episode where
he gets overly focused and that was great, amazing, great
that Fontaine episode. That's what I'm saying, Like they use
them well. I'm not saying every season used it well,
but that final season I think they actually use them
really well.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Right, But yeah, anyway, I just it's not that I
couldn't keep up. I just felt a little like overwhelmed,
Like oh lord, they are just like blasting through these problems,
like and they're like problems that I feel like they
maybe shouldn't be like flying through so.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Quickly, like mm hmm exactly.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
They're coming up with stuff. It's just like it's almost
like this was written for you guys.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Yeah, that's true. It does not feel like they're solving something.
It feels, yeah, like it's a one thing. Like they're
using the computer to do these simulations of what would
happen to her body, but like and that works, that
is the thing that we've seen on Star Trek before.
But it just felt so how about this computer tell
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me instead of like trial error experimentation, like things that
would have felt more weighty in another version of that story,
Like it absolutely could have this this first battle, they
could have gone back, they could have had their part
of their crew trapped for a couple of episodes, you know,
like they have had an episode about the crew trying
(10:32):
to get out, while you've got an episode of them
reconvening with the Federation and trying to solve the problem
of the of the infection. You know, like they could
really stretched this out. And so I'm with you. I
think this this this was rushed. A fun episode. I
don't hate it, but but I do feel it. I
do feel like throughout it's just a boom boom boom.
(10:53):
Every part of it I like, but every part of
it feels like they're trying to tell me fifteen parts
and not really focus on anyone.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Yeah, and I wish I could impart to them my
feelings on this, Like, and I know I do like
I if I don't prefer it, I do not mind
it when things are slower paced, but especially like having
gone back and I know I haven't put out a
(11:22):
new episode on this in a while where everyone's been
busy and everything's been going on, but going back through
the original series with Fie, just like it's so refreshing
to see like how they will take you know, they'll
have like a main problem and then like a b
plot problem. Yeah, Like often to fill that time, they
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give a suspense and it winds up being actually really
good suspense, like they're trying to work a problem and
trying to figure something out. And often they don't even
have to do it with a ton of dialogue.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
It's just.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
We know that they're working on it, and they're like
looking at each other thing that maybe you have like
a sound effect going off, we know that something's coming closer,
you know. I don't know, there's there's something that you
could do with suspense that I feel like they're just
throwing shit at you and in these new episodes and
you're just like, oh my god, Okay.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
I agree completely with this specific episode. I don't think
that's the way necessarily of all Strange New Worlds. I
think Strange New Worlds has done a pretty good job
of having a concept sticking to that for an episode.
But this episode is just I mean, if anything, I
could have at least used a two parter or something.
It just felt like, I mean, it is a two
a three parter. I guess it's just so fast paced
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and so all over the place.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
It's not a problem in every episode. No, yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's a. It's a thing that happens a lot in
today's television in general.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Though, oh yeah, for sure. We we just got done
coming Ironheart on the MCU cast and really like the show.
Some awesome stuff in it, really cool, like they've got
it's like kind of what you always wanted with like uh,
iron Man in comics deals with like the Mandarin or whatever,
(13:09):
and it's like you have the science fiction elements versus
the spiritual elements, you know, and that's really cool. Ironheart
did that and it was really cool, really fun to see.
But the kind of similar to what we're talking about,
where you have a problem and you just like say
a thing and you move past it. She was like
(13:29):
a fixing her suit every episode and adding to it
or changing it in ways that were like Tony Stark level.
But she doesn't have the billion dollar lab to like
fabricate stuff. So it's like I'm in the garage, I'm
gonna build a new suit. Three hours later, here's my
new suit. It's like what wait? No, And it wasn't
all new, Like, it wasn't totally unplausible, but there was
(13:53):
there were moments that felt really unplausible. So yeah, or
one point so some character does something. She's like, to sit,
fix this, I need. I need to upload a virus
to this da DA here's the virus I need and
just does it and it's like you had these viruses
stored for this purpose, Like I don't really, instead of
(14:13):
it's just like what we're talking about with this episode,
it's like this sort of like you need you have
a tech problem to solve. It's a little better than
technobabble because they do actually solve the problem and like
come up with a reason for it, but like it's
not far from technobabble, you know what I mean. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
So one of the things that bugged me about this
episode though, was like, and it's a thing that they
do a lot in All Star Trek and they've kind
of doubled down on it in the last several years.
But we have like this, you know, this message from
April where he's like, we just got the priority message.
How much time do we have before the Gorn ships
get here? And Pike says like, nor last transmission, we
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won't be seeing the Gorn at least for not for
a while, and he's like it's almost like Zach Brannigan
for Futurama as he's like spins of the turbo lift
to look at the camera. April goes, how certain are you?
And he goes, let's just say I found a way
to punch back, like I want to see the line
right after where he's like, no, seriously, I actually need
(15:14):
real estimates on this, like we are a military operation.
I actually need to make a report. I can't just
put down a Quippi line. Chris, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
I think that's a if they did the other thing
where they undercut it by being like we would think
it was too silly, Like sometimes you got to play
those like big moments straight, you know what I mean,
even if they're a little silly. There's this sort of
modern thing where you have this like meta analysis of
all the like sort of you know, yes, do this,
do it. And then they're like, wait, captain, but I
(15:49):
actually need you to explain what you you know, that
sort of like I don't know, there's a certain but
that undercuts this sort of like pulpy nature of the
show that can be undercutting, undermining if you will, And
like I like that they just like it feels very
original series, even Nixturation, where sometimes they just they just
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have to have a cool line and they just go
out with it, you know.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Yeah, except I always felt like that undercut it as well,
like I, you know, maybe have like a scene there
at the end where they're talking over transmission or something
where it's like I wish I knew or something, you know, like, yeah,
our scientists don't you know, figure maybe we have this
many years or you.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Know, idea which we don't know of another time the
Gorn emerge.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Really well, they have to know. They have to know,
because that way they if they didn't know, they couldn't
have come up with a pattern.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Well that's necessarily true. They know what pattern puts them
to sleep from previous times, and they know what pattern
awakens them, I guess, but they don't haven't necessarily analyzed
those yet. They may know soon Mia.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
That's how they they found out what the pattern was
is by knowing when they came back from the first
from the last time.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Maybe Yeah, I don't know, Yeah, I guess they they
had to. Well, they analyzed when they've gone to sleep
and when they've woken up, and when what happened what
was happening those stars at those times. But that doesn't
necessarily mean the Star is on a consistent pattern and
then we know what the Star will do in the future.
But yeah, uh, I feel like it's aw dodgy as
(17:22):
shit anyway, but sure, yeah, it definitely is. My My
what I like about it is I'm wondering if he
said this is a problem, you know, for another captain
to solving the future or whatever. So I've created a problem.
So I'm wondering if now, like we'll see him returning,
like uh, if we ever get like a start Trek
legacy or start Trek like that, like two hundred years
(17:43):
in the future, we get them emerging again, we get
the Gorn back, you know.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Well timeline wise, it should at least be when Arena
happens in the original series.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
See, I disagree. I think that's a sleepy Gorn. Why
because like he operates totally differently. He's all slow and lethargic,
Like that's a Gorn. It like they have all these
uh you know, they talk about the Gorn as if
it's this big, dangerous thing. Then they meet it. It's
this slow, lumbering thing that that Kirk has to fight
(18:15):
and it's still strong, but it's lumbering and I'm wondering
if that is sort of an explanation of this is
the Gorn proper? The Gorn we saw in that episode
was part of a should have been hibernating Gorn that
got left behind or something and has been captured and
is being used in this arena. But it's still a
sleepy Gorn. It wants to be hibernating, and I'm wondering
(18:35):
if that's why it's the slow and arena.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Yeah, maybe I always assumed or what my what I
had cannon was, uh, you know, the the metrons put
him on, put Kirk on a planet where he was
a little hot, and he put the Gorn on a
planet where he would be a little cold, and lizards
move way slower when they're cold.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Yeah, that's what I like that.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
I like that so because they were trying to make
it even between Kirk and the Gorn, Yeah right, you
know when or whatever.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Yeah, I like that. Either way, I just think it's
it's a fun little uh So, so either way, that
particular Gorn that we see in the arena could have
been plucked out or left behind or whatever, like, Yeah,
it's not necessarily awakened the entire fleet isn't awaken necessarily,
so it could be two hundred years from now.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
The only thing that conflicts with that, I was thinking
about exactly what you were saying, Like they're analyzing the
history of these reports. What reports are they analyzing? Is
it Federation reports? Because they've only been around for like
one hundred and fifty years or whatever, so like it
doesn't make sense. I guess I guess the Vulcans may
have reports too of the Gordon.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Yeah, they I mean, once the Vulcans became part of
the Federation, they would have access to all the Vulcan
star charts and.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Yeah, and the Indy and all that stuff. Like, yeah,
I guess, I guess they have all the all the
history and the rumors from all the stuff before Earth
got involved with the Federation.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Okay, you know in the original series, I say that,
which Look, man, here's the thing is, like Arena is
not even Cannon anymore, not to this, because like back
then they were like, we don't know anything about the Gord,
like fucking what the hell? Or the Gorn, Well, I
don't know. We kind of like we've heard rumors. Man,
we would have known more about them.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
You know, yeah, clearly, uh, Keptain Pike knows a good
bit at this point, his crew knows a good bit.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
I just I mean, they've outright said it on the show.
They've overwritten the original series history or either that or
is a parallel universe, and that's fine. I'm just you know,
it's it's you know sometimes like the producers talk about like, oh, yeah,
we're leading up to the original series and they've they've
said it again, like how like oh, yeah, the show
will end with Kirk and the command Okay, all right, fine,
(20:44):
but like why are they so worried about it because
they've already over like, you know, like rewritten it.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Yeah. I hear you.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
I hear you, But I still want to do it myself.
I'm like, well I should come up with Arena.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Oh wait, right exactly. We're having the conversation, and I
think we kind of have to. It's it's fun that way.
It is annoying thing ignore anyway. Yeah, so I feel
like we got a lot of guess you're talking about
Ortegas and her her what should have been her death
scene absolutely should have been, should have been her death
(21:17):
scene just should have been.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
That's the only reason I wouldn't have been upset that
she said my name is Eric Ortegas, that I fly
the ship.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Like I agree. I think I didn't mind that. As
we talked about on the show, like I really liked
that run for her, like that that concept that she's
like coming into her purpose or whatever, and she's realizing
that like doing a task and doing it well is
something she values and like she's gonna do her purpose.
And then when she says, I've got to do it,
(21:45):
it's got to be me and she said there bleeding out,
I was like yeah, And I was waiting on her
to say I'm Eric Ortegas and I fly the ship
like I. As she died, like I was really waiting,
I said, blood was moving across the panel. I was like, yes,
say it again. It is your purpose and you are
happy to have died fulfilling your purpose. I love that stuff.
If she doesn't die, it doesn't hit as hard.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Once again, I know she wouldn't die because she was
in the trailer.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
I I don't. I don't. I don't pay attention to
the trailers. That that that hard. I mean, even though
we talk about them. I try not to let that
infest my knowledge. Of what's going on.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
I mean, it's not infesting, well except for that vulcan clip,
which is just awful.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
But yeah, it's true.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Yeah to me that I'm Meeric Artegas, I fly the ship.
Like there's so much that goes into flying a ship.
To dumb it down to that is always just bugged me.
It sounds it's just rain Mannish.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
I disagree. I disagree. It's Tom Parris also flies the ship.
That's his thing, you know, like he's he's a fly boy.
He's a and that's why he likes the smaller ships
because he and that's why they give him helm control
when it's time to really do the maneuvers, you know,
like that's that's a thing in Star Trek, Like that's
that's pretty normal.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Yes, the action is normal, but the language is always
a lot more technical.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Ah, Like sure when you're actually talking technically, but if
you're having like your own existential crisis about who you are,
like yeah, I don't know. I just think about characters
like Tom Parris who are like they reduced themselves down
to like yeah, I just like uh, I like old cars,
I like old vehicles. I like I like racing, I
(23:29):
like flying that's just who he is. So to put
that on her and act like it's weird as I don't.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Know, you know, I I just think it's cringe as hell.
That's just my thing.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
I get it. I get it. Like I I don't
expect you to like it. If I do, I think
it is cringe. I just like like I to be cringe,
just to be free.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
As they say, yeah, uh well, there's a whole bit
in there where they're like, you can fly that thing, right,
you can fly anything?
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Right.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
She's like, don't be rude, of course I can. And
she spends like fifteen seconds going like doing all these
phases of shit, and I'm like, y'all are in the
middle of like a life and dead situation. Just be like, yeah, well.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
I just took that as she's saying, yes, I can
fly it because she believes she can, and she believes
she has to because she's the one with the skills,
but she's also lost half her hand, and she's going
like she's questioning herself. That was that look? That the
way I took that look anyway?
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Oh yeah, I didn't say that at all. I just
thought it was a stupid comedy moment that undercut everything.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
No, I didn't think that. I thought it was the
camera lingered on her to be let for her to'll
be like, uh yeah, I can do it, and then
she's like kind of like can I do it? I
just committed to it.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
I don't know, Well, see, sometimes it works. Though. It
was like where Pike was talking about their plan working
whether and her goes it should unless one of them
decides to look out of a window and Pike gives
a look like well fuck, don't say that. That was
pretty good, but Spock and Chapel discussing their relationship, well,
what's her face is dying? Not so good?
Speaker 2 (25:06):
I agree. It annoyed me when they started to but
it did go so fast that it didn't bother me.
If they'd had like a five minute conversation while they're
like if they I don't know at what point they
were in the process, at least if they were like
waiting on a simulation to finish or something. I was like, okay,
well then I don't mind it. Like they're waiting on
a simulation to finish. They got a minute, and they
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only took a minute to do it. Like I was
fine with it, but I know.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Would have been working on three of his own simulations
in his head instead of talking to Chapel about feelings.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
But whatever, man, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
This new generation, this new generation's gotta rely on computers
to do all their thinking for them.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Yeah, I completely agree with that. I think the way
they displayed the medical science in this episode and like
they just like kind of come up with, almost as
far as I can tell, random ideas, like didn't really
like when they're like, what about if we do this
and she's like, oh, that O'Ryan's drug good idea, they
never said why it's a good idea, Like maybe like, oh,
(26:04):
that Orion's street rug we encountered, and maybe if they'd
planted that six episodes ago, and like we understand why
that Orion Street dut drug slows the blood stream or something,
you know, like some sort of thing that it does
to the body that might slow this down. Like that
seemed like it would make more sense to me. But
they didn't do that. They were like, oh, yes, that
Oryan Street rug, great idea. Oh no, the computer says
(26:25):
that wouldn't work. Like it was very we're just throwing out.
It's always felt like spaghetti at the wall and the
computer will tell us if it'll work. And that doesn't
feel right to me?
Speaker 1 (26:34):
And does the computer only isn't only capable of running
one simulation at a time?
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Like, right, I was thinking the same thing.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
If they're around coming, Like, oh, well, that one's one
hundred percent fatality too, Okay, we'll.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Try this, Like why do you try these eighteen scenarios?
Why does it if the computer knows all this? Why
isn't the computer just give us the idea at that point? Right,
why isn't the computer Like, well, I will recommend that
you might try this. It is a thing that would
that a scene we've seen them try on other chips
where they've been born infections or whatever.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Yeah, that kind of stuff bugs me.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Me too, Me too, I completely agree.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Yeah, sorry everyone, we're back with a new season of Bitch.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
And m I. I'm not here to bitch. I really like.
There's obviously things that we're gonna complain about, but like
I I like this. I like this episode.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
I didn't take the time to go back and look
at the old opening credits, but this is the new opening.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Credit, right, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
I'm pretty sure I haven't seen most of that imagery.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Okay, I'm not sure. I'm I'm a bad, bad fan.
I tend to skip them if I've seen Like I said,
I watched them the first couple of times, then I
just tend to skip them because I'm a lot of
times i'm podcasting and I'm like, oh, I get into
the episode, so I didn't I watched it this time,
but I don't remember if it's the same one.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Yeah, I think there are a couple of shots that
are the same, but I think they're going to different
worlds and different things are happening.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Okay, cool. What did you think of Scotty.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
There's sort of an ADHD factor that makes me feel
closer to him the whole like I can't solve a
problem unless I don't have any time to do it.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Yeah, it's a nice weecon textualization of the problem that
we is this sort of way he functions in the
original series, which is, you know, he's always given these
timetables and the Captain will say like, oh, no, cut
that in half, I need it this, I need it
by this time, and he's like, well, I'll do my bess, Captain,
(28:42):
and it's like he it sort of seems like Kirk
knows that about him. It's never discussed that way, but
Kirk knows, like, no, if I give you. I loved
that moment when she runs it like we've ever seen
that sort of pressure work on Scotty in that way,
and I I loved her when she came in there
was like the corner here, we have to do it now,
(29:03):
and he just like went into like I don't know,
flo a flow state and started fixing it the way
he'd done on the planet when he was in trouble.
That was cool. It was a cool concept, and I
hope they don't overdo it, but like I liked the
sort of that's how he works, and Kirk knows that,
and that's why Kirk does the way he does.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Yeah, that is a thing I hope that they don't overdo.
I was specifically concerned about that. I felt like, this
is another opportunity for them to like eighty sitcom catch
phrasesation it where it's just like, oh, well, we established
that in this episode and people liked it. So now
every episode we're gonna have him doing this is his
(29:45):
character Quirk, And I'm like, oh, please don't do that exactly.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Yeah, but yeah, I did like it.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
And by the way, this is the most I've liked Pelia.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Oh yeah, good cool. Yeah, yeah, I liked her too.
I liked her a lot in this episode. And she
is his teacher, which I thought was really a fun
thing where she's like complaining about him as a student,
which I know we saw a little bit in the
last episode, but it was cool.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Document your work.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Yeah, that was a lot of fun. This is exactly
why you do that, so you remember how you put
this together.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
But dude, I felt that so hard too, because like
I do that kind of stuff where I'll like do
something and I'd be like, all right, that works, and
then I've got to replicate it.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
I'm like, oh, for how did I do? Like it
made me think of times when I've done, like whatever,
fixed a file that had a certain kind of sound
in it or something, and I and I go back
and I'm like, oh, man, I know I fixed this before,
but what tool did I use? What software did I do? Like, Okay,
I guess I've got to start over and retry all
(30:45):
the same fifty steps I did to figure it out
last time.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Every time I unhooked my computer and change it and
then look back I'm like, I've got all these coors
and everything, Like, how the hell did I hook all
this shit up?
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Yeah, I don't know if that's you know, maybe that's
ANHD thing like you were saying a minute ago. But
the whole like it's looking at like a bundle of
wires and connections and things is really hard for me
until I've done it fifteen times. Like now that I've
been traveling over the last six years, a lot more,
Like breaking down my computer and resetting it up is
(31:19):
a lot faster now, Like it's like a click click click,
Like it's if I feel like Scotty when he did
the thing at the in that in that moment. But uh,
back in the day when I would break my computer
down and I was always like okay, I had to
like trace my steps like this cable goes to here
and this goes to here, and make sure like I
have all the right parts in my computer bag to
(31:40):
make sure I take to my next stop.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
I used to move my computer around a lot more
and it was a lot quicker for me, like I
but like now it's like I set it up, but
it's like that for like six months to a year exactly. Yeah,
so anytime I move it, I'm just like what was
this again? Like it's just like total overwhelmed. I'm like,
oh man, I've got a lot more shit. There's more,
a lot more devices and stuff that I just how
(32:05):
did I do this?
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Back when I was going back and forth to Dallas
a lot every month, I finally got to the point
where I had everything I needed in my bag and
the only thing I had to remove from my setup
was the computer itself. And then so I had like
my desk at home and my desk in Dallas, and
it was like I just removed my computer and plugged
one cable in and that was really sweet. But that
(32:28):
that required like having a desk set up all the
time in both places. But uh yeah, nowadays, I yeah,
I don't have that anymore. It's a little more take
everything apart situation. Now.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
I'm looking into getting a KVM switch, So that's gonna
be that's I don't know what that is. Oh, it
is a box that you plug your monitors and your
keyboard and your mouse and your external hard drive into
and then you plug that into both of your computers.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
Just like hit a button and switched between your two computers.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
I've seen that. I've seen that. That's really cool, really
really cool. Yeah all right, well, I'm trying to say
if we've missed any characters that we we should have
talked about. We got more La on like freaking out
about her past with the Gorn, which you know, I
don't know, I guess, I guess I didn't. I didn't
have any new feelings about it. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
They tried to like bring that back because they were like, ah,
this was pretty heavy in the first part, we should
probably bring this up again.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Ah, they didn't do anything with it. I think it's yeah,
like I think if they had had uh, they had
too much going on in this episode. So yeah, it
almost felt like leave that in the last episode. Maybe
have one flash of a reminder when everyone's about to
die so that like makes her buck up and do
her thing. But like, I didn't need it as much
as they put it in this episode.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
We had that one little pep talk where they were like, okay, you,
I know you're back there, but it's pretty bad here
so we need you hear and.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I found Chris pikes portrayal of this
episode awesome. I love dance and Mount putting forth like
the weight of the world is on his shoulders, but
he also just wants to think about Batel, Like he
just wants to be down there taking care of her.
(34:18):
He wants to save her, he wants to be with
her if they can't save her, but like he can't
do that because he's the captain and it's just he
is completely overwhelmed in this way that like I really
identify with when there's just so many fires to put out,
so many things to do, so many options, all of
them bad. Yeah, it was just really really impactful, like
(34:40):
really emotional for me to watch him just be completely
overwhelmed and trying to solve it in a way that
like they did a good job of making it emotional
for me in a way that in a lot of
Star Trek that's going on, but it's very clinical. They
still had a lot of fun like here's your option,
(35:00):
here's why that each one would be good or bad.
But his like that is the one probably benefit of
this episode being so packed and so speedy and have
to make some decisions quickly. He really showed the overwhelm
on Pike and man, he needs a break. He really
needs a break.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Yeah, And I liked that because I liked that bit
where the person at the con or whatever is like
all like or the helm is looking really haggard, and
like he's like, Okay, you've been you've been running. You
need to get some relief. And she's like, no, I'm
not gonna do I'm not gonna leave until we get
(35:41):
everyone back, and he's like okay. But like part of
me at first was just like, no, that's bullshit. He
should have like forced her to leave because she's clearly exhausted.
But then I was like no, because that's what he's doing,
and he's he wouldn't give up there, so he's admiring
her resolve and yeah, he's.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Like he wouldn't want anyone else to kick him off
this duty.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
So though at the same time, obviously they're going like, yeah,
mission might be more successful if she's replaced.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, like that that's the thing. He's making
emotional decisions throughout this episode. I think the one in
a thousand shot to do this thing versus going and
warning the Federation not necessarily the right call, probably the
wrong call, but like it was the one that it
was the have a little faith call. It was the
(36:32):
let's make let's make do what we can do to
save everyone, which it's actually funny. I know you, I'm
sure you remember this. But in Infinity War for the MCU,
the Avengers Infinity War, the whole thing is, uh, we
don't we don't trade lives. It's their whole motto. And
then they end up losing, and then they come back
(36:52):
in an endgame and the whole thing is whatever it takes,
like we we do basically we don't trade lives. Oh
that made us lose, And they come back and they
have to have whatever it takes. And they had a
moment in this episode where they're talking to Battel, where
Chapel is talking to Betel and she says, yeah, whatever
it takes, whatever it takes, like yeah, of course, like
(37:14):
we will uh, we will kill you if it means
saving the crew, like we're not gonna let you destroy
the crew, and and I think that was really nice,
a nice sentiment, but it did not manifest in this episode.
They went into say and saved everyone, Like they went
in and like we got them all, we got all
the colonists, we got all the crew, even the one
that was bleeding out on the console as she ostensibly
(37:36):
served her like ultimate purpose, She's probably gonna make it too,
like and the way they didn't resolve that, which makes
me wonder if she was supposed to die and then
they took that moment out like because when they when
they beam out, they never go back to her and
go we got her patched up, Captain like whatever. If
it made me wonder if like they decided after shooting
this episode they were like, you know what, actually, let's
(37:59):
keep Ortegas around because like, I felt like that was
such a great death for her and they just kind
of robbed her of that. I think unless they were
lying to us in the trailers and she's uh not
really in the rest of the season, I mean they
could be.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
It could be lying and like all those little dude
that would be so good, it would be so good.
It would be so good. Looks like the opposite of
what Marvel does. You know how they just like will
erase characters from the from the trailers so you don't see.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Or add them. They've added them there, there's a have
they done that yet? Yeah? Well, in Infinity War, one
of the biggest moments in the trailer was all of
the Avengers running together towards the camera and the Hulk
is running alongside all of them. Hulk never appears in
that movie. Banner does, but the Hulk never emerges. So
there's there's a moment in Wakanda in the trailer where
they're all running side by side. It's this big epic moment, like,
(38:46):
where's that moment happening? And it never happens. They just lose.
It's like a great cray. It's such a great trailer
moment because it totally tricked us all into like, Okay, eventually,
you know, Hulk's gonna come out, They're gonna fight Thanos,
the whole team will win, but it just never happens,
and then the snap. You know, really, I love that
kind of stuff. I on on MCU cast. One of
(39:09):
my catchphrases, I'm always yelling lie to me, Marvel, lie
to me, like I don't want to know what's happening.
And they have over the years the same thing with them.
You talked about removing. Obviously, with The Spider Man No
Way Home, they did a lot of removal where they
removed characters who ended up showing up in the movie.
They didn't want to reveal.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Yeah, so if they like but if they went further
and shot scenes with the ortega like her being angry
that her is into her brother or something like the
whole like.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Oh, that would be so funny. I forgot about that scene.
So yeah, that would be really funny. Especially what if
like yeah, oh.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Or if she's just imagining her it's like a doctor
Cox scrub situation.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
Oh, now that would be intense. That would be And
maybe her brother is there for her funeral. Yeah, yeah,
that was. Now now again, we're writing things that are
not gonna happen, and we're gonna be two. We're gonna like,
we're gonna see them in the in the path of
the season, and then they don't happen and we're gonna
be mad. Oh yeah, I remember we were talking about
(40:14):
like I don't even remember. We had like a whole
thing with like uprising of holograms and stuff, and maybe
they were like the the guys on the ship from
Picard might be like acolytes of the Photons be free
book and like that, like like, and I was so
excited about the possibility of that, and then they just
never did anything with those Uh you know, holographic characters.
(40:36):
I was like, oh man.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
I felt like doing my only Captain Cisco impersonation, which
my wife and I do almost every week at least.
It's from the first episode of DS nine where he's
he's with Jennifer on the beach or you know, in
the past. That's it. That's it.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Yeah, that's great, that's great. I do exactly what you're
talking about. All right, Well, any of the last thoughts
on this episode, no, man, I'm.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
I'm down to look at the next episode.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Oh come back. One thing that did hit me hard
emotionally as well is the Spock and Chapel saying goodbye
and her and her saying, you know we He's just
such a puppy dog right now for her, and it
just makes me so sad because he wants to be
with her. He's too scared to show his emotions, or
(41:37):
he won't show his emotions. He's trying his best not to,
but he's clearly like so into her, and she is
saying to him like this will be good for us,
and he's like, all right, cool, and she's like, I
don't mean us, I mean like us as human beings separately,
and he's like, uh, I don't understand, don't do anything stupid,
(42:00):
wait for me, And he's like, what wait, You're not
gonna wait for me? Like it's a it's a very
he's not he's not questioning these things. He's not throwing
out his thoughts because he doesn't know how to deal
with these kinds of conversations. I feel like, and the
emotions that he's clearly having under the surface that he's
trying to suppress. Yeah, it worked for me. I thought
it was really good, and it made me really sad
(42:21):
when when he when he just disappears down the hallway.
Maybe really sad.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
Yeah, you know, yeah, it didn't make me sad because
when she looks back and he's not there. There's been
a small there's been well, not even necessarily small, there's
been a segment of fandom who's been like really trying
to get James Gunn to cast Ethan Peck for Batman
and the DCU.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
That's too good. Yeah, that's too good of a of
a Batman reference. I thought of Batman too, and actually
that's fun. That's really I wonder if that was on purpose,
because that's definitely a bit he pulled a Batman yeah
he did Chaplistic Commissioner Gordon all right, well, uh well
this fun and I'm excited to watch the next episode
and cast about it. We'll be right back here on
the Star Trek Universe podcast with that. Probably will probably
(43:06):
separate these by a day or two, so stay stay
in the feed, like subscribe if you're finding us for
the first time. Appreciate y'all, peace.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
Untrue, livelong, and remember your damn sign out.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
It's been a while, man, I know, man. Thank you
for listening to the Star Trek Universe Podcast, a Stranded
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(43:43):
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