July 31, 2025 • 42 mins
To get Captain Batel out of her bed, Pike and M'Benga must fight the undead! It's a rough time for the crew! Zombies, revenge plots, Erica gets in trouble with Number One who has a number two on her head, mind melds or somethin... it's wild, maman.
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Episode Reviewed: Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 3x03 - "Shuttle to Kenfori"
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
On this episode of Star Trek Universe. To get Patel
out of her bed, Pike and Benga must face the undead.
We're talking Star Trek Strange New Worlds three o three.
Right after these words from vengeance seeking kids of War criminals,
I kind of screwed up a few times. I can't
really speak anymore.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
He's all good, It's all good. Mayn Welcome to.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Star Trek Universe, the podcast where you get to listen
now on to lifelong friends sit and chat about Star Trek.
My name is Matthew Carroll.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
I'm David C. Robertson.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Hi, Dave. I'm We're gonna keep this some shorter because
we did go long on our news episode.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Uh yeah, I mean go long. You went long.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
I know, I got I got out a bit of
a trump brant and I just wanted to say, fucked.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Now.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
You gonna be like the zombies are are the boot lickers?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
And yeah? These zombie fascist boot lickers? No, I what
do you think of a zombie Star Trek?
Speaker 4 (01:00):
You know?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
I was?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
I was. I was torn on this episode, man, because
I liked the I liked the Pike and the Betel stuff,
and I dude, I love him Benga and Uh, I
like everything between Pike and him Benga. I hated the zombies.
(01:23):
I don't care about zombies. I dude, I really didn't
like the daughter of what's his name? I thought she
was whoever the actor was, was terrible. I felt like like,
or maybe it's just that they gave her such huge
prosthetic teeth, but man, her lines were just like, oh
good lord, just I just wasn't feeling it. I literally
(01:47):
wrote down, I do not like Number one's hair in
this episode. Looks more like a number two, all right,
I laughed because they had to get to the roof,
just like any damn zombie movie. Yeah. Yeah, I balked
at how much bigger that kling On ship was than
the enterprise. Is that that's just way off for old
(02:10):
old time? I mean, yeah, yeah, I don't. You don't
generally see I'm sure somebody out there would be like, oh, well,
that was a the Quenda class or something. I don't
know those classes right of the kling On ships anyway,
Starflee ships. I'm a little better at. Yeah. I loved uh,
(02:30):
You're not a monster, Joseph, just a man and my friend. Yeah,
and I loved Bettel being like, I don't have the
space to worry about how my dying hurts your feelings.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
That one hurt, dude, Yeah, oh it did, it really did.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
My last thought really that I wrote down was in
the future people will look back on this show and
know exactly when this was made in their bones looking
at the VFX, like I don't know if they're you,
and like that giant set with the where they just
project whatever, like some of these effect shots like her
(03:09):
like whip, you know, cracking that whip or whatever, and
like it just didn't look real. It just looked weird,
and it has like a certain color grading. It just
didn't There was an uncanny valley aspect to it. It
just feels like twenty twenties. Okay, we're trying some new stuff.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Yeah yeah, yeah, Well it's like trying new stuff that
looks good enough but keeps the price down, you know, yeah,
and keeps us making stuff quicker. Yeah, and that's probably
yeah that maybe the volume I didn't I didn't notice
any of that. I will say we talked about when
those posters came out for Strange New Worlds and we
went through them and they were all like these pulpy
posters from a few For a while back, there was
(03:46):
a zombie poster and I was like, does this mean
they're gonna do a zombie episode? And we weren't sure,
but they they sure enough did and it's gonna shuttle
crash in the background that on that poster, it's called
shuttle to Confory think. Yeah, yeah, I really I'm torn.
Like you said, I I love zombies. I've always loved zombies.
(04:08):
I've been a zombie movie fan. And I really liked
that they I liked and I thought it was absolutely
a ripoff of Last of Us? Do you follow the
Last of Us at all? Do you know the plot
to the plot of Last of Us is as a
way of explaining what the what the zombies are is.
(04:32):
Do you know about courtceps and their ability to control
uh dead bodies?
Speaker 1 (04:39):
This is a real thing?
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Yes, so yeah, Courtceps they they their spores can get
inside of an insects body and control it. The only
reason they can't do that to us or like us,
they say, is because they can't survive in our in
our temperature, like our our And what happens is base
(05:01):
in Last of Us, the temperature of the Earth is
rising as it is, Cordyceps adapt they can now survive
inside humans, and it basically provides a way that zombies
work in that world. And they're being controlled by Flora.
So in this episode when he's like, there's no fauna
on this planet, only Flora, and then they get there
(05:22):
and these dead bodies are walking around being controlled somehow,
and then they talk about it and they talk about
it being Moss, which is you know, like it is
definitely like a ripoff of Last of Us and I
love it. Star Trek has always done that, like they've
taken like some sci fi idea from something else and
pulled it in and I think it's fun and it's
just kind of like advancing the idea of zombies and
(05:44):
what they are. And The Last of Us kind of
came up with a version of that that works so
well for science that now Star Trek can be like,
we can do zombies now. It works, it works scientifically,
and I think that's a lot of fun. So I
didn't mind the zombies. I love a zombie story. I
didn't think they did anything too interesting with it. No,
they didn't. They definitely didn't. I liked the Ambinga stuff.
(06:07):
Of course, I liked all that stuff. Like you said,
here's my thing though, And we talked about this last
week when we talked about those two episodes, and I
am realizing my Strange New World's problem. My problem with
Strange New Worlds is that they do not they're not
having the self control to do an A plot and
(06:28):
a B plot. H They're doing a b CD plots.
There's stuffing too many plots. We talked about it last
week with that episode. I'm not sure which one it
was that we mainly focused on this, but like it
was so many ideas that were going on. We were like, oh,
that could have been a whole episode, that could have
been a two parter, like it was the Goren episode
(06:49):
we were talking about, like that that could have been
a two parter and another thing, and instead it was
relegated to like a ten minute subplot where they're quickly
moving through everything, a zombie episode of Star Trek where
you have to do with zombies. That could be its
own thing. The Imbinga confrontation should have been its own thing.
You did not need zombies and Ambinga. They didn't thematically
(07:13):
line up. They didn't like work together to bring forth
any kind of interesting thing. So, like I, it's not
that i'd minded either thing. I liked both, but they
didn't had no place together.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
I mean, thematically, you can kind of stretch and say
the dead or coming back to haunt you.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Sure you can thematically stretch to do anything, but I
don't think that. I don't think they made that case
in this In this thing, you try to make it work. No,
I get it, I get it, and I appreciate. I
appreciate your efforts, but I needed it to be like
in the show and en sure you could make something
just like his his past come back to haunt him,
the ghosts of your past, all that kind of stuff.
(07:56):
But I just think that like that case has made
much more simply by having this this person show up
and having her come like this just should have been
its own thing.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Well, the exact problem you're talking about is a symptom
of only having ten episodes a season.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Well that that's why I said self control. Because you
have ten episodes per season, it's your job to edit
out the things. If you have great ideas and you
have too many of them, you have to edit them
down to where they fit in your ten episodes.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Well, you know, but it's also a situation where they're
seeing how people responded to Discovery and said, you have
all these characters and we get little peaks at them,
but we never get anything of them, and we don't
know anything about ninety percent of your Bridge crew. So
I think they're trying to like give us more of
everyone in strange new worlds and give everyone their time
(08:50):
to shine. But you're right, it doesn't work right. You
need more episodes a season.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
If you're going to do that, you need more episodes,
or you need to focus on less crew members, or
you need to like cut out the zombies. Like I
love the idea of doing zombies, I really do.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
I don't mind it.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
It's great steal from the Last of Us all you want,
Like it's cool, but like, just zombies didn't have a
place with Ambinga and this it made the Ambinga stuff
feel like a b plot to a zombie episode. And
that episode that is clearly named Fog of War from
last season is under the Cloak of War. I'm just
(09:33):
teasing you because you gave me shit last week for
never remembering the name of it. Under the Cloak of War,
like is I think the best episode of this show
so far. It is my favorite episode and a I
have We talked about how they could never touch it
again and it would be this amazing similar to in
the Pale Moonlight, this one dark moment, or they could
(09:58):
bring it back and it would be fascinating to see
what happens to Mbinga. If if this is ever outed
to the crew, how would Pike respond? We had all
these conversations and then to flood that episode with eighty
percent zombies twenty percent umbinga is ridiculous and now we're
we may they may have like a knowing glance about
it later, but like it's not They're not gonna have
(10:20):
time to touch on this again this season. That was
our follow up to Under the Cloak of War, one
of the best episodes it was it was relegated to
an E plot in an episode I'll say, I'll say
b I think that that the C plot was probably
the what's going on with the Gorn inside of the
other Captain?
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Right is? Yeah, it is disappointing because well now we know,
we now know what one I like the ambiguity of
the episode of the original episode of under the Cloak
of me too, so I didn't need to know if
Ambinga actually did the thing. Wait, what do you mean?
I mean they didn't. They left it ambiguous. They had
(10:58):
it behind like a fogged window. We don't know any Oh, no,
he did it.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
He admits that he like held on to the knife
all that time.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
In that episode, and Cloak under the Cloak.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Fairly certain that he he tells I think he may
tell it to the guy when he's killing him, that
he like held on to that knife in his bag
all that time, so that if he ever had the chance,
he would kill him with his own knife. Yeah, so
he I do. I can't remember, it's been a long time.
(11:30):
I don't remember if because he says in this episode
it was it was a self uh defense, And I
can't remember if this guy attacked him first, But I
don't think he did. I think he just straight up
assassinated him, if I'm remembering correctly. And then he told
everyone it was self defense, it was behind glass like,
but the fact that he had it hidden and ready,
(11:52):
I think it was clearly premeditated murder. And that's what
so like, this is our healer on the ship and
he's a premeditated murderer, that's what so like, but you
understand where he's coming from, and that's what's a dark
and fun about that episode. So yeah, I assumed he
killed him. Oh yeah, gout it being self defense, like
I assumed, But they did offer it in that original
(12:14):
episode as ambiguity, Like we knew that he wanted to,
we just didn't know he was gonna do it. And
then there was like that whole like tussle behind the
glass where you could barely see what happened, and he
said it was self defense. Okay, but we could still believe.
Here he outright says, no, he did it. Well, no, No,
(12:35):
the part that's not self defense is the guy. I
can't remember if the guy attacks him, he might he
might have attacked him, but the guy didn't have a weapon.
And that's the thing is like that's the thing he
he well, no, he grabs the guy's old weapon, stabs
him through the heart and says, he came at me
with a weapon, Like if the guy had come at
him with fists, they could have fought. Called security could
(12:57):
told the computer to do something like whatever. But like
if he told he told the story that this knife
was brought into the situation by that guy to murder him,
and he like grabbed it from his bag and stabbed
the guy. But yeah, like so so it maybe that
was self defense in that way that they should have
been that that guy started the tussle, but like umbinga
(13:18):
is the one escalated to murder and like had the
weapon on hand to escalate it to murder.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Yeah no, yeah, I mean he I mean, as we know,
like he straight up had it and he came me
knowing what he was gonna do.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Yeah, yeah, so but like I didn't never, I never
needed to know like the that's all I'm saying is
I didn't need to know the specifics of exactly what happened.
And yeah, they did just kind of throw it into
a really jam packed episode in the middle of like
zombies running into a force field.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
I would say it wasn't even that jam packed. Thinking
about it, like, it's just too it's just such a
meaty plot to leave as a B plot. It is
the place it should be the plot, and it is
just to think it's the last ten minutes, you know,
it's just really really disappointing.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
It is, And you know, then I also had like
this thing with Like I was aggravated with the rest
of the episode two with Ortega because like they were
like trying real hard to convince me, like because they're like,
she's she's usually rude, but not insubordinate. No, she's insubordinate.
Like every fucking episode I bring this up every episode.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
You do, she's she's pretty insubortinate. And it's just that
Pike is really easy going about it. And for once,
UNA's in the chair and she's like, I don't deal
with that. No, like it's not doing that.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
But now they're trying to make the case like, oh see,
I gotta know something is where something's all going wrong
with her because of a gorn thing. She's got that
that gorn that looks like the creatures from the Dark Crystal.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Oh, I just thought that was her trauma. Like I
thought she's just traumatized by the Gorn.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Right, Oh, I don't know. I don't think so. I
think there's I think she's got something in her or
something something's going on. Maybe it's trauma, but they're I
don't know, it's weird, it's interesting.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
I guess I've just assumed that that last shot was
her imagining the Gorn because she is so traumatized by
the experience that she's like freaked out and she's she's
on edge, and that's what this episode. That's what this
episode was like further exploring like she's so on edge,
she can't she's she's ready to go back into battle.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
You know, yeah, maybe it is. I I just I
thought that there was some kind of like Gorn connection,
like there was some sort of like Gorn trying to
control her or yeah, there was some sort of Gorn
inside of her.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
I don't know, it's possible. We don't know uh enough
about the Gorn and it we're learning more.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
It's like shin Zon and Nemesis, but with a Gorn.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Yeah, totally. Instead of being able creepy sexually, it's just like, ah,
eat flies, protect your.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Eggs and like that looks like a comfortable.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
But you're making all those connections. But also like this episode,
we find out that uh Pike's girlfriend, Captain Hotel Betatel,
I wanted to say Tally and I was like, that's
not right, Captain Bottel Captain Lady. I was like, I
was like mixing up the letters in her name and
only and only using half of them. Captain Bettel is
(16:35):
like dealing with something similar and that's the only is
that kind of think it's not ortegas, is it. I
don't know, it could be. It could be we're learning
that the Gorn have more like mental powers than we
realized before, which I'm sorry, okay, I I I I
like when we learn new things about species and in
advance that either advances their technology or we learn more
(16:55):
about them and the way they creep or whatever, like
with the bowl with the Yeah, I'm thinking like with
the Boorg, like first it was just like, oh, there's
these drones and if we're quiet, and then it's like
later you find out this thing and this thing, Oh
there's a queen, and then you like you build the
mythos over time. The Gordon until now has just been
a lizard that fought slowly, and now last season we
(17:17):
found out there they're xenomorphs basically, but uh, you know
reptilian xenomorphs. Xenomorphs are reptiles, right, they kind of have
reptile vibe.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
I don't know, I think they're just giant metallic painus monsters.
I don't know what that yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's it.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
So, so you got these xenomorphs basically that can lay
eggs inside you and burst out your back. Like that's
a new thing, and I feel like we just need
to rest with that, Like that's enough of a like
crazy evil thing to deal with or crazy scary thing
to do with. The evil's hard word because they're just
doing their thing. They're just planting their eggs, you know.
But uh yeah, I don't know anyway anyway.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
I miss it when the Gordon were just like like
I don't know many Godzilla's and Flintstones cosplay, Yeah for sure, Like, oh,
what's he gonna do? He's picking up a rock. It's
kind of a small rock for his size. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Well, I'm I'm uh, I'm I'm interested in all what
all is going on with Batel and like how it's
gonna be that she's gonna be like half Gorn. Now
what that's gonna mean? And it's and when when Spock
mind me with her like that whole like facing weird
(18:40):
Gorn mind meld stuff. I don't know, it's weird, it's
it's it just feels like they're they're expanding the lore
of the Gorn quickly.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
I guess yeah it is. And it was funny to
me that, like, unlike a counselor Troy situation, spot got
in there and he didn't sense fear or hunger or
anything specific from the Gorn. It was just we just
kept seeing like a blurry mouth going.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Yeah, okay, yeah, I think it's kind of pressive for
that when a lot of times they'll like be seeing
memories or faces or whatever of people. Uh but yeah,
it's it's uh, you know, it's silly, but whatever, I'm
(19:28):
I'm down for Gorn weirdness. I don't know who Captain
Mittel's gonna be when she becomes half Gorn. What does that?
What does that mean?
Speaker 1 (19:38):
I mean she and we know she's not around for
the end of Pike Steel. So right, yeah, we got
some feedback from Stu.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Hey, let's hear it.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
I messed up. Well, I didn't really mess up. I
just Stu had asked if, like we were gonna be
recording at a certain time last week. I told him,
you know, he had time, and then I never got anything.
But it turned out for some reason sent it to
the to the spam box. Oh weird, And like when
I didn't get anything after that I was like, I
(20:13):
wonder and I checked it. So we need to catch
up with Stu from last week as well.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
All right, let's do it.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Stu says, this is for the first two episodes. How
much corn could a born Gorn short scorn? If a
born Gorn could scorn Corn, that's his title. Nice Hello
a Jimini Part two? The USS Pablo Picasso because there's
so many well known Picassos that you just needed to
(20:40):
include the full name. I think you've made this joke.
Also another Earth reference to I'm in a bougie one
at that? Where's the USS Jim Lee Dammit or the
USS Jack Kirby or the ISS Rob Leifeld. If it's
the Mere universe, I agree, we need comic book creators. Yeah,
that would be using comic book creators' names as the
names of ship.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
And nice shade with If it's the Mirror universe.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
I know medicine is much better at all in that time,
but can we have more concern for a member of
the landing lading party missing half their hand and not
so much of a you'll be fine walk it off
two second reaction? At least Ortega's still has a middle
finger to stick up at the Gorn. Yeah, I mean yeah,
but you know there's some starship troopers stuff. Man.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Listen, she flies the ship.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
She flies the ship. Yeah, don't wait for me, Spock.
I think this trope is over dramatic under usual circumstances,
but especially when the person waiting has a vastly longer
lifespan than the person they're waiting for a full score,
a full scale Gorn invasion scale because they're reptiles, damn it,
(21:54):
stew quote. Perhaps we just need a little faith. Is
this episode going to in with Spot doing George Michael karaoke? Dude?
They did George Michael in the next episode, did they? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:07):
At the wedding? Oh funny. That's wild.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
There's no getting around it. Those binary stars look like
a big set of balls, which means Pike's plan involves
flying into the equivalent of the system's taint, a bit
of that toilet humor you like, Dave? Why am I
picked on this?
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Dude just knows who likes toilet humor and who has
more refined taste, Yes, a more civilized time. You have
refined taste. You're you're my friend and wanted.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
To do this show with me. What does that say.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
That I.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
That I am kind to my lessons?
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Yeah, yes, yes, well we'll have Dave be my co
host a terrible je June, let's see. And he finishes
that episode off with they literally sent the going to
bed without supper? Yeah they did? Yeah, all right, and
(23:14):
wedding bell blues. They kind of just glossed over Scotty
being transferred to the enterprise. But Ensign what's his name? Seriously,
he's only called Ensign in the med Bay gets a
scene about it, and he gets to be in the
cocktail scene. Okay, I get it. I see how it is.
I guess saving the day twice in one episode doesn't
warrant any follow up attention. That's another thing that ensign.
(23:34):
That's a good point, Stu. That ensign we don't need
more characters in this damn show. Stu says, e it's
gotta be one of those plots. Yes, it was, mm
hmm okay. It picks up as a premise with the
forced buddy pairing of Spock and Corby. The rest of
the bridal party are enjoying facials freezing. This is less
(24:01):
a bachelor party and more another excuse for Pike to
make dinner for people. Okay, I'll do with that. Did
he wish erase Sarah and Amanda from existence? You know,
here's the thing about that. I did think about that briefly, Stu,
and my thought was as annoyed when you look at
Journey to Babel and you say, okay or Babel? All right?
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Fine?
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Spock is so estranged from his parents. He didn't tell
Kirk and McCoy that Ambassador Sarah was his father. Sarah
is an asshole. The entire episode about Spock having joined
Starfleet Academy, do you think if he was invited, do
you think he would have gone to a wedding of
(24:47):
Spock marrying a human on the Starfleet vessel that he's
from or that he lives on. Like, hm, eh, I
can see it. I think they're strange enough, like, oh,
so you break it up off with Tapring and now
you're marrying her. I mean the Topring was an arranged marriage.
So that's another spit in the eye, you know. Yeah. Anyway,
(25:10):
moving on, Uh, why the fuck would they cast John
Delancy in this role. It's like they want to cause
arguments and fandom. So the the showrunners actually came out
and said like, basically they liked Q squared and they said,
smarter people than nuts came up with this, and we
decided to do them in the honor of making it
(25:32):
cannon nice. That's just exactly what they said.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Very cool.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Stude says, I mean, Spock in line wouldn't be the
worst pairing to come out of all of this. They
have way more in common. I swear I made the
George Michael comment as I was watching that episode. I
had no idea that wake Me Up before You Go
Go would be in the follow up. So a little flawed,
but I think a decent start to the season. The
premiere kept up the stakes and tension from last season
(25:57):
and dealt with multiple stressful points and had a scientific
solution the problem, even if neutralizing the whole Gorn as
a threat, albeit temporarily, feels like too big of a
win from this, I get the second episode being a
bit of a palate cleanser after all of that intensity,
and I'm a Restarvy fan, so he did well, and
the immediate shift to Spock and Korby having to work
together was a nice twist. I just think though, that
(26:18):
a three month time jump in US not even going
on one going one episode without Chapell kind of undermines
the idea of the separation a bit. I agree, Stu.
He goes on and says ortegas getting trauma is something
new for her, though I also feel naggingly it also
feels naggingly familiar, and it raises an issue I have
where I wonder how such an advanced, progressive future society
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is so bad at catching mental issues and treating it.
The worst example of this being when Picard revealed his
mother's issues were handled by her dad locking her in
a bedroom. His dad locking her in a bedroom instead
of getting professional help. And you'd think after getting gutted
and losing fingers, Starfleet would have maybe been a bit
more rigorous and make sure she was mentally ready. By
the way, how did they handle the fingers thing? She
(27:04):
got the back of episode two? But how are they bionic?
Are they regrown? Somehow? Give me the deats anyhow or anyways?
Help you Fellas liked it? I think I because this
it's been a thing install of star Trek, the mental
health thing. I think they now take for granted so
(27:24):
much that if people need help there will ask for it,
that they just kind of slack off on it.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Hmmm.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Hey, you know, I think anytime you try to look
at Star Trek and through the lens of like, well,
these people should be too evolved to deal with this
or to have this sort of emotional problem, I think
you're like you're begging for a show that isn't good. Yeah,
there is also that I think you gotta you gotta
(27:54):
accept it, like people are gonna have emotional issues forever,
and like if we like I think Star Trek is
about a post scarcity world where we can solve a
lot of our problems, but the problems of being human
are still there.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Yeah, all right. Final email for this episode for the
Zombie Zombie clean On episode from Stumm titled Gordon Eggs
and Spam, Stu says, Hello, Testing Testing, This is not
junk mail. This is not junk mail, really, Dave. After
you knew I'd be sending something you didn't even check.
(28:29):
This is why I'm the tiny guy controlling the life
sized robot and you're just the autopilot. Yeah. Our new
canon is a section thirty one riff. Deal with it. Yeah,
all right, uh shut up to canfoury, the guy from
the original Don of the Dead. Okay, whatever? Oh confoury? Okay?
(28:53):
Is that a character from Donald the Dad? Oh?
Speaker 3 (28:54):
I didn't realize that.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Yeah, I don't. I don't watch zombie movies. I like
Sean of the Dead and zomb that's it.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
I was wondering why this was called that, because it
seems like there would be a much better name for uh,
you know ah a Yeah. Ken forty foury is an
American actor known for his role as Peter in the
nineteen seventy eight film Dona Dead. So Ken forty is
(29:22):
his last name? Nice so kin foroury. That's cute, That's
real cute.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
I like that, thanks, Stu. Yeah, uh pretty sure. This
is like the fifth time Pike has broken an unbreakable
rule that should cost him his career at this point.
That's all Starfleet captain's man, you know that? Oh yeah,
you know, Stu? You know, Stu? Have they previously established
that Pike and em Binga go this far back with
each other? I don't recall. If he did, you'd think
(29:48):
he'd have more involvement with things like the daughter subplot
in season one a little bit. Maybe, Yeah, yeah, there
should there should be a point where Pike is just like,
why do you keep hiding ship from me? Dude? Like
we're we're like old buddies. What do you Yeah, you
have no idea what I'm mining from you?
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Chris Well, I really there was a line that I
uh that at the end of the episode where he says.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Are you are you hoping?
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Or what does he say? Are you hoping that I would?
Or gosh no, are you worried that I would? And
I really wanted to follow up with and I know
it's it may be trite, but I really like what
it would mean for the characters. And he's him to
be like, are you worried that I would turn you in?
Or are you worried that I wouldn't?
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Like?
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Because that, like I feel like him not turning him
in changes the nature of the relationship. What does it
mean about Pike? What does it mean about a'm binga?
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Like it is.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Like or or I don't know, I yeah, I just
I think uh or maybe I'm binga could have said
I am I'm I'm worried that you wouldn't, or like,
are you worried that I would? Like maybe I'm worried
that you wouldn't Because it's like Pike is such an
upstanding captain that like, yeah, it's just him. Him going
along with this assassination is pretty dark. And that's the thing.
(31:14):
This is, This is very in many ways, this is
actually Pike doing the in Palement in the Pale moon
Light thing. But it's just a toss in right exactly
So like in In the Pale moon Light, it's not
Cisco who decides to kill the Ambassadors, it's it's it's
(31:35):
the Garret goes rogue and does it, and then Cisco
decides to be silent. This is that, this is that
exact moment, and this is so more meaningless, so much
more meaningless than what that meant for Cisco's character, you
know what I mean, He's just like Pike's just so like, yeah,
but I gotta, I gotta, I gotta, I wanna, I gotta,
(31:59):
I gotta connect my friends more than I gotta care
about Starfleet honor and code and my own honesty. And
I don't know, it's just it's a yah.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Pike's a different guy though too, Like Pike is like
I could I relate to Pike, though it does meet
feel like it means less. It's not as meany, but
at the same time, I feel like that would be
my responsible like, oh, I know this guy, you know
he killed the butcher. I'm good. Yeah, Starfleet doesn't even
know that shit. And I did like that about the
episode where he was just like, as far as I'm concerned,
(32:29):
and as far as the books are concerned, we never
even went to CONFORI, So what would I report?
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Yeah, and well, and I really like the and you
told me some story, you told her some story to
save my life, Like I have plausible deniability on both
fronts here. But yeah, I just to me being as
being very clear with Pikes, this happened, and Pike is
choosing not to follow up, and it just means so
(32:55):
very little. And I actually think I disagree with you.
I think that Cisco is much more defiant of authority,
uh than Pike is.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
And I don't did I say that.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
You were saying he's a different person than I'm just
saying this.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
It's just a different kind of character and it's a
different situation.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Sure, I don't think it's that different, like of a
situation someone that he knew that he knows and and
and he's less he's less implicated, of course, But he's
implicating himself by keeping silent, and it could have been this,
I don't know, it could have been a you know,
dark moment of the soul for Chris. Instead, it's sort
(33:34):
of just like, eh, so, yeah, it's not a huge deal.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
It is what it does.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
It's the same problem of been saying the whole episode,
which is, uh, this should have been more of the
meat of the episode, and they shouldn't. They shouldn't have
missed it up, missed it up with zombies.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Yeah, I don't necessarily disagree with how lightly Chris seems
to take it, but you know, I don't I could
see myself doing that. But also I I think I
would have been way more okay with what if if
I had to do what Cisco did in Paleman Light,
I think I would have been way more okay with
it than Cisco was. I'd be like, uh, yeah, this
(34:15):
is about saving the Alpha quadrant. Fuck that guy, Fuck
free Knack. I don't care kill him. Sure, I probably.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
Would have told Gerck, hey, what if you put a
bomb right right? I hear you, And that's why you
should never be near the chair.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
No, I shouldn't, No, absolutely not. No, I'm just a plain,
simple tailor. Right.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
But but a man like me, a man, a civilized
man with higher sensibilities.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Right, it's a right Uh? Anyway, Uh back to what
Stu was saying, I gotta say the revealed shot of
the kling On ship approaching the planet was really cool.
Why do cleanlet's call it a tri quarter two? Isn't
that a very specific name referencing three functions, You'd think
they'd have at least a fourth function, which would be
(35:08):
a switchblade popping out or something. I did not think
we were getting a Last of Us rip off?
Speaker 4 (35:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (35:18):
How long can they go without stating the new younger
doctor's name. I'm hoping all season guy could take a
punch to.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
Cris Be Like, I don't want to fuck a lizard.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
I'm a furry. You wouldn't have to turn your phaser
into a grenade if you just use the whole beam setting.
Never gonna let this go ever, I agree. I don't
like the Star Wars pew pu. I like the beams.
(35:54):
If these things can move, though, doesn't that imply a
cardiovascular system and things like minimal blood pumping? In other words,
life signs. They even make sounds, which shows some basic
respiratory functions. Yeah, yeah, they were sleeping or whatever, but
they have to have some consciousness to be able to
(36:14):
detect prey being around.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
I don't know. The science man, Yeah, well, if it's
Last of Us science. Actually, I don't know. In Last
of Us, if they're dead, I think it might be
implied even that they're still living. There's being controlled by
the courtyceps. But if we're going to Last of Us
science and the fun it's not them moving or them breathing.
It's the fungus within them causing all these things to happen.
(36:40):
The fungus in Last of Us is at least in
the in the in the show, I think this is
different in the game, but is actually like all one
kind of hive mind. And so the actual creature that's
running at you, the zombie, it doesn't have to hear
you or smell you. The ground like the cordyceps on
the ground can touch you and realize you're they and
(37:00):
they can send them after you. Mm hmm, okay, cool,
It's pretty cool, all right, he says.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
I always find it funny and Star Trek when a
gigantic starship can stink past another Gigantic starship as long
as they turn enough of their systems off because nobody
looks out a window on the vessel. Yeah, they made
that joke. I think last episode or two.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Yeah, ago, Yeah, that's the I had this in my
notes and I forgot to take my notes out. But yes,
it's one thing to do that, it's another thing to
make a joke about how like we hope they said,
I hope no one looks out the window when the
Gorn and then they got to the Gordon realized it's okay,
they don't use windows, and it was like, oh, well,
(37:41):
that's convenient for this one episode to find out the
Gornon ships don't have windows.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
But whatever.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
Uh, it's a plot device to teach us about the Gorn.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
But like in this.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Episode, it's two episodes later they do it to the Klingons,
who do have windows.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Yeah, yeah they do. Yeah, start gazing is not a
warrior's activity. Yeah, And I don't know, Like, here's the thing,
why did that ship fire on the Enterprise or anybody?
Like quing On Lady on the Surface says she had
(38:19):
to charter a ship. She was a remigade. She chartered
a ship. That ship should not care, right, Yeah, what
the enterprise is doing?
Speaker 3 (38:30):
Well, I'm assuming if you're, if you're, if you've been
hired to do a job or like your a mercenary
or whatever, you probably supposed to have like the honor
to complete the job. Even if you're you know, even
if even if the yeah, like they just killed this
lady down on the surface or killed a bunch of
their crew, they probably supposed to have the honor to
protect her if they've sworn to do so.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Sue says, Come on, in, Bengo wasn't even on the
Jews for the fight to be that short. Maybe she
wasn't in that position because she was dishonored. Maybe she
was just bad at cling on stuff. Though, I just admit,
I must admit I was considering the possibility he'd actually die.
And we'd learned that the new ensign is his nephew
or something, and the Ambinga who appears on cos Oh,
(39:15):
but that guy's too young. Yeah, well so's the current April.
Plus I filled there's something else about him that's different
from the previously established cannon, but I can't quite put
my finger on it. He's talking about April being a
white guy in the original Camp.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
Right, Yeah, let's see.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
You can't bench Ortegas for insubordination when this mission never
officially happened, so the insubordination didn't either. I mean, when
did she put down on the record to justify it?
She used her eye fly the ship catchphrase too many
times and annoyed me. This was solid, though I'm not
sure whether I find the plant monster zombies charmingly camp
and their practical goofiness. They largely looked like people wearing
(39:59):
Gilly g h I l l I Hillie suits.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
It's those suits that make you look like a plant
that like military people use to hide in the brush.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
Oh okay, or just kind of lower rent compared to
the relative budget elsewhere. It was good that we brought
up in Benga's murdering again, but kind of weird. He
admitted to it, and Pike is like, that's fine. No
issues with the doctor killing people on purpose, coupled with
another we need to go and get Starfleet order's plot,
(40:33):
though at least this time it was done in secret. Also,
Spot getting Gordon vision from a mind meld is some
particularly egregious wonky science logic. Is this going to be
one of those things that gets brought up at a
future episode is a handy plot device. Hope, the Ortegus
thing is it stretched out a lot? Thank you.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
I think we'll stay with this episode.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
That was neat?
Speaker 3 (40:56):
Uh you know, is how connected these episodes have been
so far. I don't know. It's kind of neat that like,
you know, is that the word neat?
Speaker 2 (41:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (41:08):
I think it's neat. It's particularly avoiding saying good because
I don't think they're doing it well yet.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
But I'm just gonna go with unnecessary. See.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
I really like a good connection if it's done now, yeah,
I know. Anyway, Yeah, I mean it excited to see,
excited to see what the rest of the season looks like.
And if they keep going, you know, I mean they're
gonna keep going. I mean the connections, the connections keep going.
That's what I'm mean to say.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
Well, I mean they're not wrapping stuff up, so I
guess so yeah, all right, I think this week is
the murder mystery.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
Oh uh okay, yeah, yeah, I remember that in the trailer.
All right, Well, anything else you got.
Speaker 4 (41:55):
Dave, That's all I got? Man, m Yeah, I'm done right,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
Cool? I don't you re energize a bit?
Speaker 3 (42:08):
Yeah, me too, we did. We did two episodes in
one sitting, and so we're both a little long in
the tooth here in my chair, long in the chair.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
Well, we'll be back soon. Guys, Joel Untrue, live, long
and prosper.
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On this episode of Star Trek Universe. To get Patel
out of her bed, Pike and Benga must face the undead.
We're talking Star Trek Strange New Worlds three o three.
Right after these words from vengeance seeking kids of War criminals,
I kind of screwed up a few times. I can't
really speak anymore.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
He's all good, It's all good. Mayn Welcome to.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Star Trek Universe, the podcast where you get to listen
now on to lifelong friends sit and chat about Star Trek.
My name is Matthew Carroll.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
I'm David C. Robertson.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Hi, Dave. I'm We're gonna keep this some shorter because
we did go long on our news episode.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Uh yeah, I mean go long. You went long.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
I know, I got I got out a bit of
a trump brant and I just wanted to say, fucked.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Now.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
You gonna be like the zombies are are the boot lickers?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
And yeah? These zombie fascist boot lickers? No, I what
do you think of a zombie Star Trek?
Speaker 4 (01:00):
You know?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
I was?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
I was. I was torn on this episode, man, because
I liked the I liked the Pike and the Betel stuff,
and I dude, I love him Benga and Uh, I
like everything between Pike and him Benga. I hated the zombies.
(01:23):
I don't care about zombies. I dude, I really didn't
like the daughter of what's his name? I thought she
was whoever the actor was, was terrible. I felt like like,
or maybe it's just that they gave her such huge
prosthetic teeth, but man, her lines were just like, oh
good lord, just I just wasn't feeling it. I literally
(01:47):
wrote down, I do not like Number one's hair in
this episode. Looks more like a number two, all right,
I laughed because they had to get to the roof,
just like any damn zombie movie. Yeah. Yeah, I balked
at how much bigger that kling On ship was than
the enterprise. Is that that's just way off for old
(02:10):
old time? I mean, yeah, yeah, I don't. You don't
generally see I'm sure somebody out there would be like, oh, well,
that was a the Quenda class or something. I don't
know those classes right of the kling On ships anyway,
Starflee ships. I'm a little better at. Yeah. I loved uh,
(02:30):
You're not a monster, Joseph, just a man and my friend. Yeah,
and I loved Bettel being like, I don't have the
space to worry about how my dying hurts your feelings.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
That one hurt, dude, Yeah, oh it did, it really did.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
My last thought really that I wrote down was in
the future people will look back on this show and
know exactly when this was made in their bones looking
at the VFX, like I don't know if they're you,
and like that giant set with the where they just
project whatever, like some of these effect shots like her
(03:09):
like whip, you know, cracking that whip or whatever, and
like it just didn't look real. It just looked weird,
and it has like a certain color grading. It just
didn't There was an uncanny valley aspect to it. It
just feels like twenty twenties. Okay, we're trying some new stuff.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Yeah yeah, yeah, Well it's like trying new stuff that
looks good enough but keeps the price down, you know, yeah,
and keeps us making stuff quicker. Yeah, and that's probably
yeah that maybe the volume I didn't I didn't notice
any of that. I will say we talked about when
those posters came out for Strange New Worlds and we
went through them and they were all like these pulpy
posters from a few For a while back, there was
(03:46):
a zombie poster and I was like, does this mean
they're gonna do a zombie episode? And we weren't sure,
but they they sure enough did and it's gonna shuttle
crash in the background that on that poster, it's called
shuttle to Confory think. Yeah, yeah, I really I'm torn.
Like you said, I I love zombies. I've always loved zombies.
(04:08):
I've been a zombie movie fan. And I really liked
that they I liked and I thought it was absolutely
a ripoff of Last of Us? Do you follow the
Last of Us at all? Do you know the plot
to the plot of Last of Us is as a
way of explaining what the what the zombies are is.
(04:32):
Do you know about courtceps and their ability to control
uh dead bodies?
Speaker 1 (04:39):
This is a real thing?
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Yes, so yeah, Courtceps they they their spores can get
inside of an insects body and control it. The only
reason they can't do that to us or like us,
they say, is because they can't survive in our in
our temperature, like our our And what happens is base
(05:01):
in Last of Us, the temperature of the Earth is
rising as it is, Cordyceps adapt they can now survive
inside humans, and it basically provides a way that zombies
work in that world. And they're being controlled by Flora.
So in this episode when he's like, there's no fauna
on this planet, only Flora, and then they get there
(05:22):
and these dead bodies are walking around being controlled somehow,
and then they talk about it and they talk about
it being Moss, which is you know, like it is
definitely like a ripoff of Last of Us and I
love it. Star Trek has always done that, like they've
taken like some sci fi idea from something else and
pulled it in and I think it's fun and it's
just kind of like advancing the idea of zombies and
(05:44):
what they are. And The Last of Us kind of
came up with a version of that that works so
well for science that now Star Trek can be like,
we can do zombies now. It works, it works scientifically,
and I think that's a lot of fun. So I
didn't mind the zombies. I love a zombie story. I
didn't think they did anything too interesting with it. No,
they didn't. They definitely didn't. I liked the Ambinga stuff.
(06:07):
Of course, I liked all that stuff. Like you said,
here's my thing though, And we talked about this last
week when we talked about those two episodes, and I
am realizing my Strange New World's problem. My problem with
Strange New Worlds is that they do not they're not
having the self control to do an A plot and
(06:28):
a B plot. H They're doing a b CD plots.
There's stuffing too many plots. We talked about it last
week with that episode. I'm not sure which one it
was that we mainly focused on this, but like it
was so many ideas that were going on. We were like, oh,
that could have been a whole episode, that could have
been a two parter, like it was the Goren episode
(06:49):
we were talking about, like that that could have been
a two parter and another thing, and instead it was
relegated to like a ten minute subplot where they're quickly
moving through everything, a zombie episode of Star Trek where
you have to do with zombies. That could be its
own thing. The Imbinga confrontation should have been its own thing.
You did not need zombies and Ambinga. They didn't thematically
(07:13):
line up. They didn't like work together to bring forth
any kind of interesting thing. So, like I, it's not
that i'd minded either thing. I liked both, but they
didn't had no place together.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
I mean, thematically, you can kind of stretch and say
the dead or coming back to haunt you.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Sure you can thematically stretch to do anything, but I
don't think that. I don't think they made that case
in this In this thing, you try to make it work. No,
I get it, I get it, and I appreciate. I
appreciate your efforts, but I needed it to be like
in the show and en sure you could make something
just like his his past come back to haunt him,
the ghosts of your past, all that kind of stuff.
(07:56):
But I just think that like that case has made
much more simply by having this this person show up
and having her come like this just should have been
its own thing.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Well, the exact problem you're talking about is a symptom
of only having ten episodes a season.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Well that that's why I said self control. Because you
have ten episodes per season, it's your job to edit
out the things. If you have great ideas and you
have too many of them, you have to edit them
down to where they fit in your ten episodes.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Well, you know, but it's also a situation where they're
seeing how people responded to Discovery and said, you have
all these characters and we get little peaks at them,
but we never get anything of them, and we don't
know anything about ninety percent of your Bridge crew. So
I think they're trying to like give us more of
everyone in strange new worlds and give everyone their time
(08:50):
to shine. But you're right, it doesn't work right. You
need more episodes a season.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
If you're going to do that, you need more episodes,
or you need to focus on less crew members, or
you need to like cut out the zombies. Like I
love the idea of doing zombies, I really do.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
I don't mind it.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
It's great steal from the Last of Us all you want,
Like it's cool, but like, just zombies didn't have a
place with Ambinga and this it made the Ambinga stuff
feel like a b plot to a zombie episode. And
that episode that is clearly named Fog of War from
last season is under the Cloak of War. I'm just
(09:33):
teasing you because you gave me shit last week for
never remembering the name of it. Under the Cloak of War,
like is I think the best episode of this show
so far. It is my favorite episode and a I
have We talked about how they could never touch it
again and it would be this amazing similar to in
the Pale Moonlight, this one dark moment, or they could
(09:58):
bring it back and it would be fascinating to see
what happens to Mbinga. If if this is ever outed
to the crew, how would Pike respond? We had all
these conversations and then to flood that episode with eighty
percent zombies twenty percent umbinga is ridiculous and now we're
we may they may have like a knowing glance about
it later, but like it's not They're not gonna have
(10:20):
time to touch on this again this season. That was
our follow up to Under the Cloak of War, one
of the best episodes it was it was relegated to
an E plot in an episode I'll say, I'll say
b I think that that the C plot was probably
the what's going on with the Gorn inside of the
other Captain?
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Right is? Yeah, it is disappointing because well now we know,
we now know what one I like the ambiguity of
the episode of the original episode of under the Cloak
of me too, so I didn't need to know if
Ambinga actually did the thing. Wait, what do you mean?
I mean they didn't. They left it ambiguous. They had
(10:58):
it behind like a fogged window. We don't know any Oh, no,
he did it.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
He admits that he like held on to the knife
all that time.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
In that episode, and Cloak under the Cloak.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Fairly certain that he he tells I think he may
tell it to the guy when he's killing him, that
he like held on to that knife in his bag
all that time, so that if he ever had the chance,
he would kill him with his own knife. Yeah, so
he I do. I can't remember, it's been a long time.
(11:30):
I don't remember if because he says in this episode
it was it was a self uh defense, And I
can't remember if this guy attacked him first, But I
don't think he did. I think he just straight up
assassinated him, if I'm remembering correctly. And then he told
everyone it was self defense, it was behind glass like,
but the fact that he had it hidden and ready,
(11:52):
I think it was clearly premeditated murder. And that's what
so like, this is our healer on the ship and
he's a premeditated murderer, that's what so like, but you
understand where he's coming from, and that's what's a dark
and fun about that episode. So yeah, I assumed he
killed him. Oh yeah, gout it being self defense, like
I assumed, But they did offer it in that original
(12:14):
episode as ambiguity, Like we knew that he wanted to,
we just didn't know he was gonna do it. And
then there was like that whole like tussle behind the
glass where you could barely see what happened, and he
said it was self defense. Okay, but we could still believe.
Here he outright says, no, he did it. Well, no, No,
(12:35):
the part that's not self defense is the guy. I
can't remember if the guy attacks him, he might he
might have attacked him, but the guy didn't have a weapon.
And that's the thing is like that's the thing he
he well, no, he grabs the guy's old weapon, stabs
him through the heart and says, he came at me
with a weapon, Like if the guy had come at
him with fists, they could have fought. Called security could
(12:57):
told the computer to do something like whatever. But like
if he told he told the story that this knife
was brought into the situation by that guy to murder him,
and he like grabbed it from his bag and stabbed
the guy. But yeah, like so so it maybe that
was self defense in that way that they should have
been that that guy started the tussle, but like umbinga
(13:18):
is the one escalated to murder and like had the
weapon on hand to escalate it to murder.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Yeah no, yeah, I mean he I mean, as we know,
like he straight up had it and he came me
knowing what he was gonna do.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Yeah, yeah, so but like I didn't never, I never
needed to know like the that's all I'm saying is
I didn't need to know the specifics of exactly what happened.
And yeah, they did just kind of throw it into
a really jam packed episode in the middle of like
zombies running into a force field.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
I would say it wasn't even that jam packed. Thinking
about it, like, it's just too it's just such a
meaty plot to leave as a B plot. It is
the place it should be the plot, and it is
just to think it's the last ten minutes, you know,
it's just really really disappointing.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
It is, And you know, then I also had like
this thing with Like I was aggravated with the rest
of the episode two with Ortega because like they were
like trying real hard to convince me, like because they're like,
she's she's usually rude, but not insubordinate. No, she's insubordinate.
Like every fucking episode I bring this up every episode.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
You do, she's she's pretty insubortinate. And it's just that
Pike is really easy going about it. And for once,
UNA's in the chair and she's like, I don't deal
with that. No, like it's not doing that.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
But now they're trying to make the case like, oh see,
I gotta know something is where something's all going wrong
with her because of a gorn thing. She's got that
that gorn that looks like the creatures from the Dark Crystal.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Oh, I just thought that was her trauma. Like I
thought she's just traumatized by the Gorn.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Right, Oh, I don't know. I don't think so. I
think there's I think she's got something in her or
something something's going on. Maybe it's trauma, but they're I
don't know, it's weird, it's interesting.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
I guess I've just assumed that that last shot was
her imagining the Gorn because she is so traumatized by
the experience that she's like freaked out and she's she's
on edge, and that's what this episode. That's what this
episode was like further exploring like she's so on edge,
she can't she's she's ready to go back into battle.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
You know, yeah, maybe it is. I I just I
thought that there was some kind of like Gorn connection,
like there was some sort of like Gorn trying to
control her or yeah, there was some sort of Gorn
inside of her.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
I don't know, it's possible. We don't know uh enough
about the Gorn and it we're learning more.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
It's like shin Zon and Nemesis, but with a Gorn.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Yeah, totally. Instead of being able creepy sexually, it's just like, ah,
eat flies, protect your.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Eggs and like that looks like a comfortable.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
But you're making all those connections. But also like this episode,
we find out that uh Pike's girlfriend, Captain Hotel Betatel,
I wanted to say Tally and I was like, that's
not right, Captain Bottel Captain Lady. I was like, I
was like mixing up the letters in her name and
only and only using half of them. Captain Bettel is
(16:35):
like dealing with something similar and that's the only is
that kind of think it's not ortegas, is it. I
don't know, it could be. It could be we're learning
that the Gorn have more like mental powers than we
realized before, which I'm sorry, okay, I I I I
like when we learn new things about species and in
advance that either advances their technology or we learn more
(16:55):
about them and the way they creep or whatever, like
with the bowl with the Yeah, I'm thinking like with
the Boorg, like first it was just like, oh, there's
these drones and if we're quiet, and then it's like
later you find out this thing and this thing, Oh
there's a queen, and then you like you build the
mythos over time. The Gordon until now has just been
a lizard that fought slowly, and now last season we
(17:17):
found out there they're xenomorphs basically, but uh, you know
reptilian xenomorphs. Xenomorphs are reptiles, right, they kind of have
reptile vibe.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
I don't know, I think they're just giant metallic painus monsters.
I don't know what that yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's it.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
So, so you got these xenomorphs basically that can lay
eggs inside you and burst out your back. Like that's
a new thing, and I feel like we just need
to rest with that, Like that's enough of a like
crazy evil thing to deal with or crazy scary thing
to do with. The evil's hard word because they're just
doing their thing. They're just planting their eggs, you know.
But uh yeah, I don't know anyway anyway.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
I miss it when the Gordon were just like like
I don't know many Godzilla's and Flintstones cosplay, Yeah for sure, Like, oh,
what's he gonna do? He's picking up a rock. It's
kind of a small rock for his size. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Well, I'm I'm uh, I'm I'm interested in all what
all is going on with Batel and like how it's
gonna be that she's gonna be like half Gorn. Now
what that's gonna mean? And it's and when when Spock
mind me with her like that whole like facing weird
(18:40):
Gorn mind meld stuff. I don't know, it's weird, it's
it's it just feels like they're they're expanding the lore
of the Gorn quickly.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
I guess yeah it is. And it was funny to
me that, like, unlike a counselor Troy situation, spot got
in there and he didn't sense fear or hunger or
anything specific from the Gorn. It was just we just
kept seeing like a blurry mouth going.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Yeah, okay, yeah, I think it's kind of pressive for
that when a lot of times they'll like be seeing
memories or faces or whatever of people. Uh but yeah,
it's it's uh, you know, it's silly, but whatever, I'm
(19:28):
I'm down for Gorn weirdness. I don't know who Captain
Mittel's gonna be when she becomes half Gorn. What does that?
What does that mean?
Speaker 1 (19:38):
I mean she and we know she's not around for
the end of Pike Steel. So right, yeah, we got
some feedback from Stu.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Hey, let's hear it.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
I messed up. Well, I didn't really mess up. I
just Stu had asked if, like we were gonna be
recording at a certain time last week. I told him,
you know, he had time, and then I never got anything.
But it turned out for some reason sent it to
the to the spam box. Oh weird, And like when
I didn't get anything after that I was like, I
(20:13):
wonder and I checked it. So we need to catch
up with Stu from last week as well.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
All right, let's do it.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Stu says, this is for the first two episodes. How
much corn could a born Gorn short scorn? If a
born Gorn could scorn Corn, that's his title. Nice Hello
a Jimini Part two? The USS Pablo Picasso because there's
so many well known Picassos that you just needed to
(20:40):
include the full name. I think you've made this joke.
Also another Earth reference to I'm in a bougie one
at that? Where's the USS Jim Lee Dammit or the
USS Jack Kirby or the ISS Rob Leifeld. If it's
the Mere universe, I agree, we need comic book creators. Yeah,
that would be using comic book creators' names as the
names of ship.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
And nice shade with If it's the Mirror universe.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
I know medicine is much better at all in that time,
but can we have more concern for a member of
the landing lading party missing half their hand and not
so much of a you'll be fine walk it off
two second reaction? At least Ortega's still has a middle
finger to stick up at the Gorn. Yeah, I mean yeah,
but you know there's some starship troopers stuff. Man.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Listen, she flies the ship.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
She flies the ship. Yeah, don't wait for me, Spock.
I think this trope is over dramatic under usual circumstances,
but especially when the person waiting has a vastly longer
lifespan than the person they're waiting for a full score,
a full scale Gorn invasion scale because they're reptiles, damn it,
(21:54):
stew quote. Perhaps we just need a little faith. Is
this episode going to in with Spot doing George Michael karaoke? Dude?
They did George Michael in the next episode, did they? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:07):
At the wedding? Oh funny. That's wild.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
There's no getting around it. Those binary stars look like
a big set of balls, which means Pike's plan involves
flying into the equivalent of the system's taint, a bit
of that toilet humor you like, Dave? Why am I
picked on this?
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Dude just knows who likes toilet humor and who has
more refined taste, Yes, a more civilized time. You have
refined taste. You're you're my friend and wanted.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
To do this show with me. What does that say.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
That I.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
That I am kind to my lessons?
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Yeah, yes, yes, well we'll have Dave be my co
host a terrible je June, let's see. And he finishes
that episode off with they literally sent the going to
bed without supper? Yeah they did? Yeah, all right, and
(23:14):
wedding bell blues. They kind of just glossed over Scotty
being transferred to the enterprise. But Ensign what's his name? Seriously,
he's only called Ensign in the med Bay gets a
scene about it, and he gets to be in the
cocktail scene. Okay, I get it. I see how it is.
I guess saving the day twice in one episode doesn't
warrant any follow up attention. That's another thing that ensign.
(23:34):
That's a good point, Stu. That ensign we don't need
more characters in this damn show. Stu says, e it's
gotta be one of those plots. Yes, it was, mm
hmm okay. It picks up as a premise with the
forced buddy pairing of Spock and Corby. The rest of
the bridal party are enjoying facials freezing. This is less
(24:01):
a bachelor party and more another excuse for Pike to
make dinner for people. Okay, I'll do with that. Did
he wish erase Sarah and Amanda from existence? You know,
here's the thing about that. I did think about that briefly, Stu,
and my thought was as annoyed when you look at
Journey to Babel and you say, okay or Babel? All right?
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Fine?
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Spock is so estranged from his parents. He didn't tell
Kirk and McCoy that Ambassador Sarah was his father. Sarah
is an asshole. The entire episode about Spock having joined
Starfleet Academy, do you think if he was invited, do
you think he would have gone to a wedding of
(24:47):
Spock marrying a human on the Starfleet vessel that he's
from or that he lives on. Like, hm, eh, I
can see it. I think they're strange enough, like, oh,
so you break it up off with Tapring and now
you're marrying her. I mean the Topring was an arranged marriage.
So that's another spit in the eye, you know. Yeah. Anyway,
(25:10):
moving on, Uh, why the fuck would they cast John
Delancy in this role. It's like they want to cause
arguments and fandom. So the the showrunners actually came out
and said like, basically they liked Q squared and they said,
smarter people than nuts came up with this, and we
decided to do them in the honor of making it
(25:32):
cannon nice. That's just exactly what they said.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Very cool.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Stude says, I mean, Spock in line wouldn't be the
worst pairing to come out of all of this. They
have way more in common. I swear I made the
George Michael comment as I was watching that episode. I
had no idea that wake Me Up before You Go
Go would be in the follow up. So a little flawed,
but I think a decent start to the season. The
premiere kept up the stakes and tension from last season
(25:57):
and dealt with multiple stressful points and had a scientific
solution the problem, even if neutralizing the whole Gorn as
a threat, albeit temporarily, feels like too big of a
win from this, I get the second episode being a
bit of a palate cleanser after all of that intensity,
and I'm a Restarvy fan, so he did well, and
the immediate shift to Spock and Korby having to work
together was a nice twist. I just think though, that
(26:18):
a three month time jump in US not even going
on one going one episode without Chapell kind of undermines
the idea of the separation a bit. I agree, Stu.
He goes on and says ortegas getting trauma is something
new for her, though I also feel naggingly it also
feels naggingly familiar, and it raises an issue I have
where I wonder how such an advanced, progressive future society
(26:42):
is so bad at catching mental issues and treating it.
The worst example of this being when Picard revealed his
mother's issues were handled by her dad locking her in
a bedroom. His dad locking her in a bedroom instead
of getting professional help. And you'd think after getting gutted
and losing fingers, Starfleet would have maybe been a bit
more rigorous and make sure she was mentally ready. By
the way, how did they handle the fingers thing? She
(27:04):
got the back of episode two? But how are they bionic?
Are they regrown? Somehow? Give me the deats anyhow or anyways?
Help you Fellas liked it? I think I because this
it's been a thing install of star Trek, the mental
health thing. I think they now take for granted so
(27:24):
much that if people need help there will ask for it,
that they just kind of slack off on it.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Hmmm.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Hey, you know, I think anytime you try to look
at Star Trek and through the lens of like, well,
these people should be too evolved to deal with this
or to have this sort of emotional problem, I think
you're like you're begging for a show that isn't good. Yeah,
there is also that I think you gotta you gotta
(27:54):
accept it, like people are gonna have emotional issues forever,
and like if we like I think Star Trek is
about a post scarcity world where we can solve a
lot of our problems, but the problems of being human
are still there.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Yeah, all right. Final email for this episode for the
Zombie Zombie clean On episode from Stumm titled Gordon Eggs
and Spam, Stu says, Hello, Testing Testing, This is not
junk mail. This is not junk mail, really, Dave. After
you knew I'd be sending something you didn't even check.
(28:29):
This is why I'm the tiny guy controlling the life
sized robot and you're just the autopilot. Yeah. Our new
canon is a section thirty one riff. Deal with it. Yeah,
all right, uh shut up to canfoury, the guy from
the original Don of the Dead. Okay, whatever? Oh confoury? Okay?
(28:53):
Is that a character from Donald the Dad? Oh?
Speaker 3 (28:54):
I didn't realize that.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Yeah, I don't. I don't watch zombie movies. I like
Sean of the Dead and zomb that's it.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
I was wondering why this was called that, because it
seems like there would be a much better name for uh,
you know ah a Yeah. Ken forty foury is an
American actor known for his role as Peter in the
nineteen seventy eight film Dona Dead. So Ken forty is
(29:22):
his last name? Nice so kin foroury. That's cute, That's
real cute.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
I like that, thanks, Stu. Yeah, uh pretty sure. This
is like the fifth time Pike has broken an unbreakable
rule that should cost him his career at this point.
That's all Starfleet captain's man, you know that? Oh yeah,
you know, Stu? You know, Stu? Have they previously established
that Pike and em Binga go this far back with
each other? I don't recall. If he did, you'd think
(29:48):
he'd have more involvement with things like the daughter subplot
in season one a little bit. Maybe, Yeah, yeah, there
should there should be a point where Pike is just like,
why do you keep hiding ship from me? Dude? Like
we're we're like old buddies. What do you Yeah, you
have no idea what I'm mining from you?
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Chris Well, I really there was a line that I
uh that at the end of the episode where he says.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Are you are you hoping?
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Or what does he say? Are you hoping that I would?
Or gosh no, are you worried that I would? And
I really wanted to follow up with and I know
it's it may be trite, but I really like what
it would mean for the characters. And he's him to
be like, are you worried that I would turn you in?
Or are you worried that I wouldn't?
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Like?
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Because that, like I feel like him not turning him
in changes the nature of the relationship. What does it
mean about Pike? What does it mean about a'm binga?
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Like it is.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Like or or I don't know, I yeah, I just
I think uh or maybe I'm binga could have said
I am I'm I'm worried that you wouldn't, or like,
are you worried that I would? Like maybe I'm worried
that you wouldn't Because it's like Pike is such an
upstanding captain that like, yeah, it's just him. Him going
along with this assassination is pretty dark. And that's the thing.
(31:14):
This is, This is very in many ways, this is
actually Pike doing the in Palement in the Pale moon
Light thing. But it's just a toss in right exactly
So like in In the Pale moon Light, it's not
Cisco who decides to kill the Ambassadors, it's it's it's
(31:35):
the Garret goes rogue and does it, and then Cisco
decides to be silent. This is that, this is that
exact moment, and this is so more meaningless, so much
more meaningless than what that meant for Cisco's character, you
know what I mean, He's just like Pike's just so like, yeah,
but I gotta, I gotta, I gotta, I wanna, I gotta,
(31:59):
I gotta connect my friends more than I gotta care
about Starfleet honor and code and my own honesty. And
I don't know, it's just it's a yah.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Pike's a different guy though too, Like Pike is like
I could I relate to Pike, though it does meet
feel like it means less. It's not as meany, but
at the same time, I feel like that would be
my responsible like, oh, I know this guy, you know
he killed the butcher. I'm good. Yeah, Starfleet doesn't even
know that shit. And I did like that about the
episode where he was just like, as far as I'm concerned,
(32:29):
and as far as the books are concerned, we never
even went to CONFORI, So what would I report?
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Yeah, and well, and I really like the and you
told me some story, you told her some story to
save my life, Like I have plausible deniability on both
fronts here. But yeah, I just to me being as
being very clear with Pikes, this happened, and Pike is
choosing not to follow up, and it just means so
(32:55):
very little. And I actually think I disagree with you.
I think that Cisco is much more defiant of authority,
uh than Pike is.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
And I don't did I say that.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
You were saying he's a different person than I'm just
saying this.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
It's just a different kind of character and it's a
different situation.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Sure, I don't think it's that different, like of a
situation someone that he knew that he knows and and
and he's less he's less implicated, of course, But he's
implicating himself by keeping silent, and it could have been this,
I don't know, it could have been a you know,
dark moment of the soul for Chris. Instead, it's sort
(33:34):
of just like, eh, so, yeah, it's not a huge deal.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
It is what it does.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
It's the same problem of been saying the whole episode,
which is, uh, this should have been more of the
meat of the episode, and they shouldn't. They shouldn't have
missed it up, missed it up with zombies.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Yeah, I don't necessarily disagree with how lightly Chris seems
to take it, but you know, I don't I could
see myself doing that. But also I I think I
would have been way more okay with what if if
I had to do what Cisco did in Paleman Light,
I think I would have been way more okay with
it than Cisco was. I'd be like, uh, yeah, this
(34:15):
is about saving the Alpha quadrant. Fuck that guy, Fuck
free Knack. I don't care kill him. Sure, I probably.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
Would have told Gerck, hey, what if you put a
bomb right right? I hear you, And that's why you
should never be near the chair.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
No, I shouldn't, No, absolutely not. No, I'm just a plain,
simple tailor. Right.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
But but a man like me, a man, a civilized
man with higher sensibilities.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Right, it's a right Uh? Anyway, Uh back to what
Stu was saying, I gotta say the revealed shot of
the kling On ship approaching the planet was really cool.
Why do cleanlet's call it a tri quarter two? Isn't
that a very specific name referencing three functions, You'd think
they'd have at least a fourth function, which would be
(35:08):
a switchblade popping out or something. I did not think
we were getting a Last of Us rip off?
Speaker 4 (35:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (35:18):
How long can they go without stating the new younger
doctor's name. I'm hoping all season guy could take a
punch to.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
Cris Be Like, I don't want to fuck a lizard.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
I'm a furry. You wouldn't have to turn your phaser
into a grenade if you just use the whole beam setting.
Never gonna let this go ever, I agree. I don't
like the Star Wars pew pu. I like the beams.
(35:54):
If these things can move, though, doesn't that imply a
cardiovascular system and things like minimal blood pumping? In other words,
life signs. They even make sounds, which shows some basic
respiratory functions. Yeah, yeah, they were sleeping or whatever, but
they have to have some consciousness to be able to
(36:14):
detect prey being around.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
I don't know. The science man, Yeah, well, if it's
Last of Us science. Actually, I don't know. In Last
of Us, if they're dead, I think it might be
implied even that they're still living. There's being controlled by
the courtyceps. But if we're going to Last of Us
science and the fun it's not them moving or them breathing.
It's the fungus within them causing all these things to happen.
(36:40):
The fungus in Last of Us is at least in
the in the in the show, I think this is
different in the game, but is actually like all one
kind of hive mind. And so the actual creature that's
running at you, the zombie, it doesn't have to hear
you or smell you. The ground like the cordyceps on
the ground can touch you and realize you're they and
(37:00):
they can send them after you. Mm hmm, okay, cool,
It's pretty cool, all right, he says.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
I always find it funny and Star Trek when a
gigantic starship can stink past another Gigantic starship as long
as they turn enough of their systems off because nobody
looks out a window on the vessel. Yeah, they made
that joke. I think last episode or two.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Yeah, ago, Yeah, that's the I had this in my
notes and I forgot to take my notes out. But yes,
it's one thing to do that, it's another thing to
make a joke about how like we hope they said,
I hope no one looks out the window when the
Gorn and then they got to the Gordon realized it's okay,
they don't use windows, and it was like, oh, well,
(37:41):
that's convenient for this one episode to find out the
Gornon ships don't have windows.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
But whatever.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
Uh, it's a plot device to teach us about the Gorn.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
But like in this.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Episode, it's two episodes later they do it to the Klingons,
who do have windows.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Yeah, yeah they do. Yeah, start gazing is not a
warrior's activity. Yeah, And I don't know, Like, here's the thing,
why did that ship fire on the Enterprise or anybody?
Like quing On Lady on the Surface says she had
(38:19):
to charter a ship. She was a remigade. She chartered
a ship. That ship should not care, right, Yeah, what
the enterprise is doing?
Speaker 3 (38:30):
Well, I'm assuming if you're, if you're, if you've been
hired to do a job or like your a mercenary
or whatever, you probably supposed to have like the honor
to complete the job. Even if you're you know, even
if even if the yeah, like they just killed this
lady down on the surface or killed a bunch of
their crew, they probably supposed to have the honor to
protect her if they've sworn to do so.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Sue says, Come on, in, Bengo wasn't even on the
Jews for the fight to be that short. Maybe she
wasn't in that position because she was dishonored. Maybe she
was just bad at cling on stuff. Though, I just admit,
I must admit I was considering the possibility he'd actually die.
And we'd learned that the new ensign is his nephew
or something, and the Ambinga who appears on cos Oh,
(39:15):
but that guy's too young. Yeah, well so's the current April.
Plus I filled there's something else about him that's different
from the previously established cannon, but I can't quite put
my finger on it. He's talking about April being a
white guy in the original Camp.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
Right, Yeah, let's see.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
You can't bench Ortegas for insubordination when this mission never
officially happened, so the insubordination didn't either. I mean, when
did she put down on the record to justify it?
She used her eye fly the ship catchphrase too many
times and annoyed me. This was solid, though I'm not
sure whether I find the plant monster zombies charmingly camp
and their practical goofiness. They largely looked like people wearing
(39:59):
Gilly g h I l l I Hillie suits.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
It's those suits that make you look like a plant
that like military people use to hide in the brush.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
Oh okay, or just kind of lower rent compared to
the relative budget elsewhere. It was good that we brought
up in Benga's murdering again, but kind of weird. He
admitted to it, and Pike is like, that's fine. No
issues with the doctor killing people on purpose, coupled with
another we need to go and get Starfleet order's plot,
(40:33):
though at least this time it was done in secret. Also,
Spot getting Gordon vision from a mind meld is some
particularly egregious wonky science logic. Is this going to be
one of those things that gets brought up at a
future episode is a handy plot device. Hope, the Ortegus
thing is it stretched out a lot? Thank you.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
I think we'll stay with this episode.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
That was neat?
Speaker 3 (40:56):
Uh you know, is how connected these episodes have been
so far. I don't know. It's kind of neat that like,
you know, is that the word neat?
Speaker 2 (41:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (41:08):
I think it's neat. It's particularly avoiding saying good because
I don't think they're doing it well yet.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
But I'm just gonna go with unnecessary. See.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
I really like a good connection if it's done now, yeah,
I know. Anyway, Yeah, I mean it excited to see,
excited to see what the rest of the season looks like.
And if they keep going, you know, I mean they're
gonna keep going. I mean the connections, the connections keep going.
That's what I'm mean to say.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
Well, I mean they're not wrapping stuff up, so I
guess so yeah, all right, I think this week is
the murder mystery.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
Oh uh okay, yeah, yeah, I remember that in the trailer.
All right, Well, anything else you got.
Speaker 4 (41:55):
Dave, That's all I got? Man, m Yeah, I'm done right,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
Cool? I don't you re energize a bit?
Speaker 3 (42:08):
Yeah, me too, we did. We did two episodes in
one sitting, and so we're both a little long in
the tooth here in my chair, long in the chair.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
Well, we'll be back soon. Guys, Joel Untrue, live, long
and prosper.
Speaker 5 (42:25):
Thank you for listening to the Star Trek Universe podcast,
a Stranded Panda production. If you'd like to hear more
from David C. Robertson, check out the DC on Screen
podcast or malagus dot.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
Tv for his web videos.
Speaker 5 (42:38):
If you'd like to hear more from Matthew Carroll, check
out the Marvel Cinematic Universe podcast or listen to his music.
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