Strange New Worlds 3x06 - "The Sehlat Who Ate Its Tail" Review

Pelia talking about her age is getting stale while Kirk becomes the Sehlat who ate its tail. Gather your telephones, maman! It's time for a chat!

Episode Reviewed: Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 3x06 - "The Sehlat Who Ate Its Tail" 

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David C. Roberson
Matthew Carroll

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
On this episode of Star Trek Universe, Paulia reminding us
she's old, has gotten stale. Well, Kirk becomes the say
a Lot who ate his tail? We're talking strange New
Worlds three oh six the saylot who ate his taiale?
Right after these words from mystery scavengers who somehow.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Turn out to be us, Us, me and you. I
think so man, crazy, we are the best of them, and.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
We're really not.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Welcome to Star Trek Universe, the podcast we need to
listening on two lifelong friends and chaut out Star Trek.
Miname's Matthew Carroll.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
I'm David c. Robertson. Yeah, man, how you doing today?
I'm rough man.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
Yeah, you've seemed a little surlier than normal.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
Oh, I don't know about surly. I'm just damn worn out.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Yeah yeah, you know, I just throughout Surly. But it
could be any negative sort of grumpy something up. You
don't feel, you don't seem your normal chip her self.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
Yeah, chipper, that's the word.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
I'm saying, man, I'm saying that's the You've gone from
Chipper to Surly on your spectrum. Ah nah uh well
uh okay, So we have a new episode the sale
out of its tail. Uh okay, what are your thoughts? Uh?
Top line? What do you think?

Speaker 3 (01:28):
It was not good to me?

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Oh yeah, okay, it wasn't like egregious.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
It was just boring to me.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Okay, interesting, I thought it was another banger. I really
liked this episode. It just you know, it did the
Star Trek thing like it did these last two episodes,
Unlike what I feel like the rest of the season
has been doing these sorts of weird episodes. The last
two episodes have done Star Trek, and it feels like,

(01:58):
you know, moving the story forward Kirk, like actually building
Kirk's character him and dealing with an ethical situation, like
learning a lesson, Like all that stuff is happening for Kirk,
while you know you're getting this obvious thing of Like
as soon as On transported out, I was like, oh,
I see what they're doing here. They're gonna leave only

(02:20):
like they're gonna immediately leave only the original series crew
on the ship by themselves so they can have their
first adventure just the of just them. I thought they
were gonna leave the other crew out of it completely.
I thought we were just gonna get an episode of
the original series crew, But then then they did the
back and forth thing them leaving the original series crew.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
It's funny that they gave the the explanation for what
the salt Ada's tail meant is like that caught the
car because tail.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
Exactly me too. And when I saw the title, that's
what I thought, the snake, that it's tail, So I
was thinking, like, okay, But then the thing is it
kind of is this its tale right? Like it's It's
that both in a meta context with the show eating
its own tail, going back to the original Citi's crew,
but it's also the the eventual resolution of the episode,

(03:13):
it being the humans have gone out into space and
now they're consuming themselves. They've gone around to being the
destroyer of worlds that they may have once feared or whatever.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
Yeah, but also they they're desperation and their greed. They
want more and more more. Will they've got more? And
oh yeah, yeah, I mean it was a it was
a nice title and a nice I like that.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
It's just I was bored most of the time. That
was all it was. I was not I felt really engaged.
I I was I was curious about the mystery of
who these guys were because clearly they have this humongous
ship of sorts, and I was like, what could this be?
Is this a race we've never met? Or these big

(03:57):
suits going to reveal some race? Is this the for Rangee?
Is this you know? Who could it be? That's out
like just consuming consuming, consuming? And I mean, okay, it
was a little in the one part, and I am
down for the allegory of it all, but like it
talking about the constant consumption and the and then immediately

(04:18):
just showing an American flag on that thing, I was like, oh.

Speaker 3 (04:22):
Yeah, ouch.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
Uh yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
When it became obvious they weren't gonna show who they
were for, you know, in the episode, for a while,
I was like, Oh, it's it's some ancient human bullshit.
And I was so disappointed when it was because it
was just echoes of vegure like this so many times.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
Yeah, for sure, it is not a I mean yeah,
like in the original series two, in all the series,
they've done things like this where a human colony or
a human spacefaring group of some sort comes around and
they have changed to the point of unrecognition and then
it's realized. But I think it's a powerful story, you
know what, I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, of course, Firefly.

(05:07):
I think it is a powerful story, and I think that,
like I liked that twist because I did not I
did not see it coming. It's one twist of many
they could have used for this, because I'm seeing these
guys in the big suits and I'm like, that could
be literally any Star Trek race that that could fit
in that suit, which is most of them, And I
was like, so this could be anything, and we saw

(05:28):
all these different Apparently there's a Tartists in there. You
sent me, yes a picture of a screen shot. There's
a Tartis inside of the of the Astrovar.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
That was exciting for me.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
Yeah, me too, me too. I love that. That's a
that's a great nod. And then they're like, there are
ancient ships in here, and then the Tartist being one
of them is really great, really wonderful.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
I want to see a Doctor Who episode from from
the Tartis's perspective. I want to see the doctor running
around trying to figure out how to get out, and
then all of a sudden, the Star Trek guys saved
the day, and he's.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
Like, oh well, all right, me too, me too, love
and then he's uh, you know, he it would be
I could totally see it, and it'd be from his perspective,
it's like you, you Earthlings, you leave Earth and all
you become is consumption machines. Why do you always do this?
But then he meets the Federation and it's like a
U the opposite side of that coin. And then it's

(06:19):
like that that that darkness moment for Doctor Who, and
then it turns to hope at the end when he
realizes that humanity has there is hope for humanity, And yeah,
I could totally see that being a Doctor the Who episode.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
Yeah, I think in my version of it, like he
would have just a small glimmer of hope because of
what the Federation becomes. But he also acknowledges the fact
that even those optimistic humans kind of just murdered the
shit out of seven thousand people.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
No, And that's the conversation we get in this episode,
which is amazing because I think of Kirk as a
pretty egalitarian, non human centric character, Like I think, and
maybe that's a little bit of a uh whitewashing his character,

(07:09):
but like I think of him as someone who looks
across the uh across at and an alien race of
some sort and thinks about it from their perspective, and
he has He does a good job of, you know,
being able to see them as closer to himself than,
you know, than otherwise, you know, even even when he's
facing gods or whatever. He realizes that they often have

(07:29):
a motivation that he can tap into. And like so
him learning that lesson these these are just monsters. They're
eating it up, and then like, oh, these are humans.
These are these are what humans can become. And if
I'm not careful, I could become this too. And I
thought that was really cool, and it I think it
was a little heavy handed, Like I could see people
not liking that final scene between him and Pike because

(07:50):
they're just literally having an ethical discussion. But that's the
shit I love. So I'm not like that. I'm not
complaining ever about that, Like I love I thought, but
almost every every line they said in that whole little
sequence was powerful, you know.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
No, I liked that at the end between the two
of them, and I did like the fact that he
was that at least in the writing, they were tackling
both sides or multiple facets of Kirk's character from the
original series. It's like, yes, he's easily bored. Yes he's
going to disagree with most command decisions that aren't his.

(08:28):
Yes he's going to you know, wrestle with it. And
this is also an interesting perspective because this is Kirk
at least for a little while, without Spock and McCoy,
So it's like, yes, this is first time really in
this situation, but like you can see how he's going
to wrestle with things, and how pertinent the Kirk and

(08:52):
McCoy I mean, sorry, the Spock and McCoy characters are
to helping him decide a thing, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
Yeah, for sure. I really was expecting it to go
more poorly when when Spunk said maybe a more logical mind,
a less emotional mind would be better to go speak
to him, and I was like, this is gonna go terribly,
But it didn't. Actually, it was a fine conversation, but
like I really thought it was gonna go just like

(09:18):
like like Kirk be the you green blooded bastard.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
Part of me was like a little disappointed that he
talked to Spock and then came out and had like
the entire plan.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
Mmmm yeah, yeah, yeah, I see that. I liked it
because that's that's Kirk. That is the third way thinking
or whatever, which I think there's different versions of what
that is, so I know there's like third there's some
sort of weird like third way thinking kind of like
it is problematic. I don't know, but I really like

(09:53):
the Kirk version of that, where like get you're given
two options, and this is the a lot of the
original series. You're given two options, they both are terrible,
and you have to think of some novel third option
that gets that wins everything, and that is you know,
he hasn't he never learned the Kobyashi maru and he
is just always striving to find that third way that

(10:15):
gets them out of everything.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
I am still, of course, especially after seeing his previous
appearance this season, man, because now I know he could
do shades of like original series Kirk, and now he's
back to like being strange New World's Kirk, and I'm like,
I am just not feeling him. He's just such an

(10:38):
insurance salesman.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
I just don't. I just don't feel him as the
character still.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Oh man, that's kind of weighing on me. Interesting. Yeah,
I liked it. It didn't bother me, like, I don't
know that. I look at him and yeah, I guess,
I guess. I buy him as the character, so I
don't have that like uncanny kirk Valley or whatever Unkirky Valley.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
And I'm starting to see the age on him as well,
and that's pulling me out because he's even talking about
in this episode being the youngest captain in the fleet,
and I'm like, dude, you're like fifty.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
Is he that old?

Speaker 3 (11:14):
I think he's like forty seven.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
Huh.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
But interesting too?

Speaker 2 (11:19):
To me, that is interesting. It would cast him just
not that old to be young Kirk. That's weird. Oh
he's forty three. I'm still not buying it. Yeah, he's
forty three. And it's a dead horse for me at
this point. I don't think he'll ever completely.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
Win me over. Yeah, okay, but you know when you.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
Do a Kirk centric episode and this is the guy
playing Kirk is and I, dude, I watched like a
chunk of No, a chuck of Beyond earlier today and
I'm just going like, yeah, Chris Pine kind of nailed it.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
Oh, Chris Pine did such a great job. As much
as I dislike those movies, for some reasons. I think
they are. They're jj Abrams affide, you know, those first two.
I think the third one is better exactly. I think
jj Abrams man just he I don't he doesn't have

(12:16):
vision he has. I think he's a great director. I
think he's a bad writer. And I think that's like
where where I fall with jj Abrams finally is like
I think when he has other really good writers around him,
like contributing, like in Loss, like I think things can
come together well. And I think his directing stylings are
really really strong, but like so often he makes the

(12:37):
safest choices that don't challenge anything or strived for new ground,
and that bothers me. He's just kind of remaking things
that have been done. And this as we do with
Star Trek, as we went on to do with Star Wars.
I just don't I don't know that he He's not
a visionary in my opinion, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
I don't know that I completely agree with that, but
I see what you're saying, Like I feel like branching
off and doing an alternate reality was a big swing.
I think destroying Vulcan was a big swing. I think
there was some amount of vision there. But and look, man,

(13:16):
you know, I'm not a big fan of Kurtzman. Orsie
was a nice guy and I think he had some
good ideas. Damon Lindeloff is a good writer, right, And
those were the guys that wrote the first two. But
Simon Pegg I think made a better Star Trek movie

(13:36):
and beyond Yeah, and you know, Justin Lynn was the
one who directed that one.

Speaker 3 (13:41):
Yeah, I think it was a better movie than the
first two. Honestly.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
Yeah, I really liked the first one. I feel the
same way about the first one of that that I do.
The new Star Wars. It's just like whatever that one's called,
this is a Star Trek podcast. I don't have to know.
I don't know what whatever episode seven is, Oh, Force Awakens,
Force Awakens. Yeah, the the he did the same thing.

(14:08):
He was like, let's reboot it without rebooting it and
just get everything to the same place and not blaze
new trails. Now he set up I think, like the
destruction of Vulcan and the like you mentioned the destruction
of Vulcan, the Nearrata in general, like changing the timeline.
It all felt like ways to be like, hey, it's
a different timeline. You need to know it's a different timeline,

(14:31):
that's what we're doing here. And I do like that idea,
but they still just sort of like put everything in
place to be the original series. And then with the
second one they went on to be like, look, it's
the second movie again. It's con and it's it's just
kind of we're gonna mirror everything you know you loved
about that movie. And and then it wasn't until Peg
that there were and beyond it they were like, Oh,

(14:54):
we're gonna like, actually just tell you a new story,
completely fresh, new story.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Yeah, but uh, the way PEG did it though, and
Lynn they set up a news story, but it also
touched upon stuff from the past because it was very
much a like it was a guy.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
The bad guy was.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
A spoiler if you ever seen Starter. The bad guy
was like a fucking captain from like the Enterprise era
from the Zindi Wars.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
Oh yeah, that's right, Well that's great, that's that's awesome.
I love that because it's an amazing twist because those
of us who know what the Zindi Wars are are like, oh,
that's awesome, and those are If you don't, it's just like, oh,
that's another war they were in at some point. It
doesn't really matter, you know. It's just like when you
hear about the Klingon Wars or the Kardassian Wars or whatever,
it's just like those are wars that happened that we
don't need to see.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
Yeah, he was a Mako and he like wound up
going becoming a captain after that and was not suited
for fucking starfleet life, like he was a soldier.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
That was dope. It was dope. It was dope, And
I really liked that movie. And it just felt like
the kind of movie where I felt we were exploring
a new world. You know, it felt like a strange
new world.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
By the way, did uh you remember Jala from that movie? Right?

Speaker 2 (16:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (16:10):
Simon Peg said that they were writing a spinoff movie
for her where she was like a Starfleet Academy cadet
and she's like she and a bunch of other troubled
cadets are like basically turned into like a suicide squad
type of situation, and they are stationed on a planet,
uh that's in orbit of Wolf three five nine, and

(16:30):
it's called Jaela and the Wolf, and they're part of
a group called the wolf Pack. Shout shit sounded cool?

Speaker 2 (16:36):
Yeah, it does so cool.

Speaker 3 (16:38):
And then it just died. And you know, the project died.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
Simon Peg and his and and Edgar Wright, his whole crew,
you know, the crew he came up with just has
such an authentic love for Star Trek. I think, and
like that sort of uh stuff that they know what
they know, what what what east eggs to include, and
what callbacks to make and how to make them without

(17:01):
turning off new audiences and the and that I just
really love that. I think, Like I feel like jj
Abrams knows the most famous things about Star Trek and
doesn't know the rest, you know what I mean, Like
he doesn't. He feels like he has a surface knowledge
of Star Trek. That first movie feels like, hey, we're
gonna like making a space adventure and it's gonna have

(17:23):
like Star Trek spackled over it. But the freaking actors
absolutely killed it. Like I said, he's a great director.
He directed the hell out of all those actors they
are bringing it And and like this is the whole
reason we're talking about this is Pine.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
I agree with you.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
Pine is a better Kirk than Paul Wesley ever will
be and I hate to like, just like I can't
ever imagine Paul Wesley capturing that glint in the eye
that Pine somehow captured.

Speaker 3 (17:53):
It's really really great.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
Yeah, without overacting and being a Shatter clone.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
As well, exactly like.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
I think Paul Wesley's trying to find it, but he's not.
He's not there. He's not He's not where Pine was.
I'm I'm digging it. I'm not in your shoes where
I'm like hate hating on it a little bit, but
I h it doesn't bother me. But it doesn't I
don't see it and go like, oh, there's that Kirk eye,
there's that little look in his It's just something about
the way they shot it, the way he sits, the

(18:21):
way you know, It's just it was just like I
did think the way he sat in the chair for
the first time was nice, like the cross legged lean thing.
It was nice to see him trying.

Speaker 3 (18:31):
The reason I.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
Brought it up was to be like, hey man, it's
not just that I'm going no one will ever be
shattered like and nothing will ever be the original series.
That is true to me, But also it's not that. Yeah, yeah,
I'll take Ethan Peck over Zack Quinto. If that makes
anybody happy.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
Oh, I think I'm man that. That's a tough one.
I think I'm with you. I think I'm with you
on that. Yeah, I think centric story where they mix
and match. Yeah, for sure, let's call it the quniverse. Yeah.
So I really liked this episode. It just felt and

(19:10):
I always say this when we have these kinds of
episodes where there's like multiple starships kind of encountering something
and they kind of have to work to time things correctly,
and like just two starships sort of chasing each other
and figuring out a way to stop the bad guys
from doing what they're doing. I loved the plan of
making them debait like that just was It was a
very Star Trek plan, like Okay, what do we have

(19:33):
at our disposal? And you think through it and you're like, Okay,
we can't catch them, we can't beat them in a fight,
but you know what we can do just make them
chase us so that we give our guys more time.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
You know. That was great.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
I just really really liked all of that.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
By the way, the villains in this episode, they don't
outright say it or anything, of course, but in a
season two episode of TNG Wharf speaks of a legend
giant black ship that ran around eating starships.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
No, that makes sense. That's awesome.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
So that was neat. Yeah to have that little callback.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
Yeah, I love it. And it makes sense that it
would remain a legend after this because if the Federation
found out a bunch of humans have been running around
ransacking all these worlds, like, they wouldn't really want that
getting out. So I imagine this was probably covered up. The
fact that they were humans was probably covered up anyway.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
Yeah, hmmm.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
I like that. Like that. I like the conspiracy element.
I saw some people on Twitter and being like or
not Twitter threads, being like, man, I thought I thought
it was gonna be the Borg.

Speaker 3 (20:43):
Why do you think everything is.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Every week? It's really funny. There was there was a
moment where they say something about like how they they
take their technology and incorporate into their own that I
was like, that's kind of borgish, But like, I didn't
think I never thought it was the Borg. I just
like was like this kind of a borg like action. Yeah,
that's really really funny. Oh man, I really you know

(21:12):
what one thing about this episode that I think was weak.
I think this episode was the directing was kind of weak.
There were a couple of moments where that particularly the
I don't know what it was, the moment where they
I do know what it was. I know exactly what
it was. The moment where they blow up the astrog

(21:36):
oar and they celebrate on the bridge of the Farragut.
They time it so poorly, like whoever is making that,
whoever's directing this episode, it like blows up and there's
like a two second pause before you see Scotty like
shooting his arms in the air, Like if you are

(21:57):
a competent director, like you know how to time that.
So it just feels exciting, and instead of it was,
it cuts back to them and it looks like there's
we have seen the astrov war blow up at this point,
and it cuts back to the bridge crew and they
wait a second and then they go yay, and it's
like wait, no, Like for this to be emotionally paying off,

(22:19):
like all this has to happen kind of simultaneously. And
it's a challenge because the thing about it, the thing
that makes it a challenge, is often in editing, and
I guess I guess I mean editing more than directing.
Directing is wrong, I mean editing. Sometimes they work in conjunction,
but when you when you're editing two shots together, you

(22:40):
often have to cut a portion of it. You like
to make the timing of the entire piece work, you
know what I mean, because you want that explosion to
happen and your crew to celebrate at the exact same time,
So that means you can't show the lead up to
the celebration. If you want to show the full tracking
shot of the torpee, you have to cut to them

(23:02):
already celebrating, because it has to feel it like it's
all happening at the same time. They didn't do that
in this episode, and it made me. It really took
me out of It's a very small moment and it's
really but I was just like, oh, wow, that was
edited terribly. It would have because it would have felt
really nice and cathartic for that to happen, and then
it just it it falls really flat in that moment.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
Yes, now, I don't know, maybe they said it in
some technobabble patch, but I was personally taken out of it.
I get what you're saying, and I did feel like
something was off, but I was also focused on the
fact that I did not believe that a ship that size,
with that much armament would get blowed up by like

(23:46):
a couple of photon torpedoes even shot into its mouth.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
It's not into the mouth, it's that they aimed at
a ship. I think it was the D seven cruiser.
I think because they realized there was some way they
could overload the D seven and make it explode and
basically use the D seven as an as a bomb
inside they like somehow destroyed. But they didn't do a
good job of explaining this. But I'm pretty sure that's

(24:09):
what we're supposed to have thought. I think they mentioned
it at some point. They mentioned the D seven. They
talk about it. You see it go inside the mouth
and then but it doesn't they I may be giving
it more credit than it's worth, honestly, but that's what
I took from that moment, is that they weren't aiming
at the thing itself. They were aiming at a ship
they had they had like triangulated inside that they had

(24:31):
already like scanned and knew that they could like cause
mass damage by making that ships. Who knows making their
warp the cells blow or something.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
So yeah, even if that was the case, I feel
like this ship, I mean, this has been running around
for like a century or so whatever it was. Uh yeah,
I'm kind of going like, you know, they're they're taking fire,
they're absorbing the energy. I can't imagine that all those
Klingon ships we saw they didn't try to blow themselves

(25:01):
up to take them out, and that at some point
it's a good point. That is a good point.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
I think there's you know, we see a lot of
the crew of the Farragut die or like get massively
injured by the weapons, so you know, but the whole
thing is just kind of like, so they injure the
Farragut so bad, they don't want it anymore, so they
are they take the Enterprise. So is their game that

(25:28):
they like injure one ship to draw another ship in
to swallow it whole before it's injured. Is that their game?

Speaker 3 (25:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (25:37):
That's the thing, is like you'd think they just want
to swallow a ship if they're so impervious to it's
damp to damage, you'd think they just want to swallow
a ship hole right off the bat, you know, Yeah,
so that was weird. You know, it's really really another
I really do like this episode. There's a lot of
things I like about it, but there are a number
of things that are really stupid, and one of them

(25:57):
being so the Farragut is empty, and that's because they
lost so many crewmen. So you've got just your You
only ever see the bridge crew, although you probably still
should have like thirty percent of the crew left. Like
they didn't kill or transport away everybody. They just killed
their transport away the injured people. But it makes sense

(26:17):
that there's a reduced crew size on the Farragut. The
Enterprise should have a full compliment, including like thirty or
sixty percent of the Farragut's population. It should have felt overstuffed.
And every time it cuts back to those freaking guys

(26:39):
the board which call on the board walking around in
the bowels of the ship. The only people doing anything
are the bridge crew. And that really annoyed me because
I'm like, the captain is gonna run down to like
do some bomb disposal diffusal stuff. Yeah, there's gotta be

(26:59):
someone on the ship that's more qualified than that. There
have got to be someone who's more you're more willing
to risk than the captain to do that. Instead, you're
it's only the bridge officer doing anything. And then they're
literally like wiring up the ship for like like running
wires around the ship. That is an encense job. That
is one hundred percent ensign's job. You do not send

(27:21):
your bridge crew running around the ship with telephone wire.
That's insane. You do not send You do not send
four bridge crew members into her her bedroom to retrieve
the technology. You send her with a group of ensigns
to do the whole thing. She is like the chief engineer,
Like she does not need other She's not like I

(27:43):
think that, I think I'm Binga was in there and
it's like, oh.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
He was, and he looked around and he was like, yeah,
this looks exactly how I imagined it like and it
was totally like a slam.

Speaker 3 (27:53):
I love that part of it, but I hate her.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
I like that part of it too. But you have
probably the most people in your sick you have ever had,
and you are in her quarters making fun of her
decor while there are more people injured from the Farragut
than maybe you've ever had. Like what are you do?
So like I liked the Farragut stuff. The Enterprise stuff

(28:17):
drove me a little batty because there it felt like
part of the reason maybe if people felt like the
borg the ship felt like first contact when like almost
no one's on the ship and it's just like a
few people left and everyone else has already been borgified,
and it's like the cards running through the bowels of
the ship and you only ever see him. That is
what it felt like, because it was just the two

(28:38):
that was like, was it was it Law and Uh
and Pike that were diffusing the bomb, diffusing the little
arm thing, the little Uh. There should have been more
people there. There just should have been like even when
they're like, hey, okay, I need someone to go over
to this panel, it's always a bridge crew member running
across the ship to some panel, and it's like, you

(29:01):
have ensigns, you have people to do this stuff. This
is really weird that the ship is so empty when
you just took on like a whole nother crew. Yep, Okay,
I've said enough about it. It is just it is
clear that they were just like being budget conscious or
whoever was writing this was like, well, we have an
empty ship, and they forgot what ship they were writing

(29:23):
or something, because it's like they should have had the
tons of people around.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
Look, that's a time honor tradition of Star Trek is
to just kind of move around the sets and at like, oh,
we've got two different ships. I had such a fucking
hard time keeping up with which ship we were on.
I agree, I agree.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
I think it was a like as much as I
actually enjoyed some of the enterprise stuff in this episode,
I think they should have left the Enterprise out of
this episode. The Enterprise should have been being like consumed
by this astrovar and like the Farragut should have been
what we're focused on, and we just like focus on that,
and then when you finally free them, it should have

(30:00):
been like a victory for the Farragut, not like this
dual victory that had to be timed perfectly, you know.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
On the topic of polia, Like, I don't understand why
this episode they made sure to like every time she's
on screen, she mentions something about how old she is.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
Like, yeah, that's what it was, just that everybody on
the ship knows how the fuck old you are.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
Okay, like.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
Everybody watching the show this is a streamer with ten
episodes a season. Anybody watching knows how old you are? Yeah,
speaking of Polia and the phone gambit, Oh.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
The old phone game, the old phone gambit. Why the
hell did Erica when she picks up the phone, having
never seen and having been explained what a telephone was,
she picked up went Hello?

Speaker 1 (30:58):
Yes she does that, and then like the next time
she has to use it, she keeps like looking at
a wonky like how do I use this?

Speaker 2 (31:07):
Just the Hello drove me nuts because even in our world,
hello was not originally like they wanted to use a
hooy I think, or it was a hoy. I don't know,
So there's something that the inventor of the telephone wanted
to use. I'm forgetting now, but like it was like
he would go a hoy, but no, like Hello is
just was not what people like I had to say,

(31:30):
And it definitely isn't what a starfleet officer would say
the first time. They're like, it's our take? Is is
anyone there? So you know whatever? Like hello is what
we say in our world and it just really annoyed me.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
Yeah, I don't know. I think there's probably enough films
enough classic films. You know, everyone in Star Trek and
this has been another time on her tradition of Star Trek.
Everyone in Star Trek is obsessed with our shit. Well,
sure that that's true, but she just got finished. She
didn't know what it was. Yeah, so that's the thing.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
So like, either she is someone who's watched enough old
movies to know what a telephone is, and that could
have been a thing like oh, this is one of
those things that's in the movies. I remember these or
like whatever, or like or she doesn't know how to
say hello, one of those two things.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
You can't have both, Yeah, you cannot have both, and
they totally had both.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
After she does that this, she looks at it again
like how do I use it? Which is, by the way,
one of my issues with her anyway, is that she
overacts like they just she's such a comedy bit. By
the way, thanks for forgetting your fucking trauma for an
entire episode, Like there's no reflections in the star in
the in the window with a gorn over her shoulder going,

(32:49):
which you know, I maybe some people's trauma works like that,
so maybe like I don't know, like look in the
mirror and my dad will be or my short going on.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
I mean, you know, people that have trauma still have
moments of levity, Like that's possible. But it's just it's
an episode that doesn't focus on her. So I'm not
too upset about that. But yeah, it does feel like
that that was just forgot about for sure. I mean
it clearly was, Yeah, I did. I really liked the
line when he says you want to take a few

(33:26):
steps back, and on is like if if this blows up,
it's going to take out the whole deck, and he's like,
big step.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
Then yeah, that was fun. You know.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
What I kind of wanted was when the brief minute
where Lone shows up over on the Farragut. She and
Kirk had previously had sort of a little thing going on, yeah,
oh yeah, yeah yeah, and now she's got a thing
going on with Spot. I thought that would have been
interesting for him to be like, hey, Lawn or whatever,

(33:59):
and like maybe put a hand on her shoulder or something.
See Spot kind of like tense up and he's like,
oh yeah, well, yeah, that.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Would have been nice. That would have been nice. But
to be perfectly honest, I'd kind of forgotten that they
had a thing so well, it was a weird thing
for them to build up for them to like.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
Not use so quickly.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
Yeah. I liked a few Kirk things. I liked Kirk
being so such an asshole and so prideful after he
he initially gets the ship working after you know, they
tell him no, it's gonna blow the engines and he's like,
just do it, like okay, Captain. He's like, I'll be

(34:43):
accepting drinks when this is all over, and he sits
in the chair all prideful and then the engines blow.
Because that's pretty good. Yeah, I did like that. I
also really liked when Spock tells he's done, Spock like
just something about how he just doesn't know if he
should be here, like, you know, he's not sure if
this is his He's like, but Spock assurism that this

(35:06):
should be his chair, like he's he's he's the rightful
commander of the vessel and stuff that he's like, but
I promised to demote you at my earliest opportunity or whatever.
It just felt very that felt very Quinto Spock. Actually
it did feel Quinto's Spock.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
I laughed because a lot of people I saw a
lot of people online saying like this feels like it's
a backdoor pilot, and they were serious, I think, and
I was like, yeah, called the original series.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
Yeah, it's a backdoor pilot to the original I mean
we have heard that that is something they're considering, is
making a show where they do a they continue on
into the first few years of their of their so like,
you know, it is a backdoor pilot in that way. Uhh,
but this whole show is a backdoor pilot in that way.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
Like their their pitchions start Trek year one to pair
themount and trying to get the fans behind it, which
would be like the year uhcause you know the year
in the original series we don't get or whatever we
didn't get.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
Right, I mean, they've already got the actors, they've already
got the sets, Like sure, just do it, Like I
don't want if they're gonna end Strange New Worlds in
season five and then they like go on for one
more season that's sort of like an epic season of
Star Treking Year one, Like that'd be cool. They won't
cost much. They've already got everybody and everything they need

(36:33):
they need to cast a cast a good bones and
then you're good.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
Yeah, they don't even really have to cast a good
Bones because he wasn't even on the show until or
he wasn't he wasn't in the the where no.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
Man has gone before.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
Oh okay, they would need to cast Gary Mitchell. Okay,
but yeah, dude, Like I don't know what David Ellison's
gonna do, Like it certainly makes sense for them to.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
Want to keep those sets around.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
But at the same time, like we've got Terry Metallis,
who as of last week said they haven't pitched Legacy yet.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
But why why have you not picked yet? Why did
you not pitch Legacy in the middle of season filming
Picard season three?

Speaker 1 (37:13):
Like what Is actually did say? It was because he
didn't want to be like trying to get his foot
in the door, like when they're because they just got
in last week, like the merger was became finalized like
two weeks ago, and they were all like moving offices
and figuring out what they want to do. And he's
also working.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
On a vision Chris Quest.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
Yeah, baby, but he did he did say he is
able to work on anything he wants to do.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
Dude, So like, I'm so excited for Vision Quests because
like where not have you seen WandaVision? You've seen one division, right, Yeah, Uh,
it's slight spoiler alerts for Wanda Vision. But the final conversation,
uh that the character that we're gonna be following up
with in Vision quest A Vision is so Star Trek
to me, it's such a great Star Trek conversation, the

(37:59):
ship of THESEUS conversation and I just like really want
the guy, like like that character feels like right in
the hands of a Star Trek director. And so Terry
mtallis taking over. That sounds awesome.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
You know, I had told you like we had a
bunch of news. Most of the news was basically just
going over all the different Star Trek pitches, Like Mattalis
hasn't been in there to actually pitch Legacy, but he
is like telling fans to do like join some writing
campaign to let them know we want it. There's also
the comedy series from Tawny Newsome Aaron Watke who worked

(38:39):
on Prodigy. He's got a pitch going like it's just
like everybody's like now bringing up all these pitches that
they have for Star Trek series. Yeah, it's it's that
time of new new leadership, Like, what are we gonna do?

Speaker 2 (38:53):
I really think legacy is the right move.

Speaker 3 (38:56):
I do too.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
Ellison though, said that, uh, they want to approach Star
Trek holistically. It's not just gonna be like a division
between TV and movies.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
Good.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
So I'm I'm just really interested to see what they do,
he said. He did say it was a priority, So
I'm that doesn't sound like we're shuddering the franchise.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
Yeah, well it's shuddering. It would be dumb.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
Yeah, I could see pairing it down and being like, well, Okay,
these TV shows have not been financially viable, like we
need to switch to doing movies again or whatever, like,
and we get like a Star Trek movie every three
years for a while, and that could be interesting and fun,
but it will be uh, it'll feel like a drought
after this like deluge we've had for the last two years. Yeah,

(39:40):
I'm very curious to say what he'll what he'll do
on me two Man, Me too.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
Man.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
Speaking of creators making content, I'm excited about we're covering
on always watching, so you know this, I guess is
a plug for that. But uh, Man, Alien Earth, Noah
Hawlly doing Alien Earth. Oh yeah, I'm so jealous because
you know they were gonna know Holly Star Trek a
few years ago, and him taking the reins of a

(40:07):
sci fi beloved sci fi property that they have an
alien and like building a series out of it is
making me so jealous. I'm loving it. But at first
Star Trek, I said this on our episode of Always Watching,
I was like, I cannot believe that Star Trek didn't
let this guy do his thing. Like I'm so mad
about it. I'm so freaking mad about it. The for

(40:30):
just the first two episodes that dropped this week last
week amazing. I went through and watched all of the
Alien episode Alien movies in preparation and really enjoyed the
catch up and like I hadn't seen the prequel series
yet and it was it was great. I loved it.
The kind of trilogy of pre coquel movies that they
made for these last few years.

Speaker 3 (40:52):
It was great.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
And now getting getting this series is just so much
fun and like it's just already so deeply cared driven
after just you know, two episodes, and it's everything I
would expect from the guy who made far Ago. But
also the effects look as good as any alien movie
have have looked like some of some of the like

(41:15):
xenomorph running around killing people, looks better that it has
in most of the alien movies. I am really really impressed,
Like they're doing obviously doing some practical, but there's some
things there's no way it's practical. And I can't tell
a difference between the CGI and the practical, Like when
it transitions from CGI and it gets close to the

(41:36):
face and you can tell it so just to a
puppet somehow, like I can't tell where that transition happens.
And I've been really and some of it is like
making really good directorial choices, like soft focus, having something
in the background, doing things just right to where it
feels moody. And but they've done some really big, big
effects moments, and I am blown away by on a
TV budget doing what they're doing, like it is. It

(41:58):
is so good, And Fargo is Fargo and Severance right
now are like tied for my favorite series probably, but
Fargo season five is maybe my favorite thing I've ever seen.
I love Fargo season five.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
I haven't watched Fargo. I want to. It's on my list.
I was mad that they let Noah Holly slip because
of Legion, right, yeah, which, oh my god, just fucking.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
I feel really terrible. I've still not watched all of
Legion I've seen. I keep starting it. I have watched
the first half of the first season like five times,
and it's one of those it's so good that I
keep wanting to give it its space and watch it
when I feel like I can really focus on it.
But that's so rare these days with my family shit
going on. If I'm not podcasting about something like having

(42:45):
time to like fully sit and watch and so it
has been really hard for me to finish that series.
But I need to just do it. I need to
just make it a priority for me. Maybe I'll do
that these coming weeks.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
Yeah, his sensibilities in making something look timeless, yes, but
also very retro.

Speaker 4 (43:03):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
I really wanted to see him do his take on Start.
I brought you up on our take talking about talking
about Alien because you know, it's the Alien universe. Toggle
switches and big buttons and all that stuff. It's like
old timey eighties eighties tube screens everywhere, and like Alien

(43:25):
Earth has the ability to be like, okay, that's on
the space ships. So we have a little bit of
technology better technic kind of like they talked about in
Star Trek a few weeks ago, the Holid Deck. We
can't really afford to do that on the ships yet,
you know, we can afford to do better on a
planet where we have better power sources. But like so
they do do a little bit of technology differences depending
on where they are, but it's still they keep that

(43:46):
retro feel with all the ships and stuff, and it
just feels like Alien from nineteen seventy nine. Like it
feels the same. And it's cool.

Speaker 3 (43:53):
Man, that's awesome. Yeah, you need to watch it. It's
really good.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
Dude.

Speaker 1 (43:59):
I've been and so like I've been so into like
I've wanted to like go back and watch because you know,
I'm a completist. I want to go back and like
rewatch the Alien stuff, rewatch all the Predator stuff. I
know they're not like together together anymore, uh, but they're
still like sort of tangentially connected. But I since Prey

(44:20):
on the Predator stuff, I have been I've wanted to
watch Prey and I want to watch that animated thing
they did.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
And Killer of Killers new one Killer of Killers. I'm
hearing nothing but good things. And I'm not a big
animation guy, but I hear Killer of Killers is just great. Like,
we just did Eyes of a Conda and people kept writing.
A couple of people wrote in on our podcast being
like Eyes of a Conda was good, but like after
seeing Killer of Killers, like I'm really spoiled, Like this
was just not on par with what they did.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
I was like, oh man, but they're like freaking yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
I've wanted to go back and get back and into
some alien stuff. And the Noa Noah Hawley was the
big draw from Oh Me Too.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
And man, I don't know if you've caught it, Like
we know that the Alien and Predator universe is the same.
They've done two crossover movies in the in the in
the new trailer for the new Predator movie, which I'm
not thinking of the name Predator bad gosh, what's it called?
New Predator Movie?

Speaker 3 (45:18):
I don't know, but I know what you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
Uh did you did you catch it's a it's a
whale in Utani? Uh? Uh synthetic? Yeah, in the in
the in the Oh gosh, I love that so much. Yeah, yeah,
bad Lands, I thought it was bad Lands. Yeah, Predator
bad Lands and there's just straight up a whale in Utani.
So it's not it's not like I love it because
it's not a xenomorph, but it's just like, hey, it's

(45:42):
all the same universe, baby, Like it all mixes together.
Even now, when we're not doing Predator versus Alien, we're
still going to bring the properties together and kind of
synchronize them. Just super cool.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
Yeah, I love that kind of stuff. But I have
been deeply jealous and deeply sick that we Paramount slipped.

Speaker 3 (45:59):
But let no Holly slip there.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
I cannot believe that Alien a no offense to the franchise.
I love. It is way elevated above what it should be,
but it is a schlocky eighties horror in a lot
of ways. I'll take that back. It's not schlocky. It
is an eighties horror movie with such thin there's such
a thin story line there in the first couple of Aliens.

(46:23):
It's just alien chest bursters run for your life. That
the whole series can be. The prequel trilogy is a
little more interesting philosophically, but like mostly it's just a
run for your life story. I cannot believe that that
series is getting a show that I am more excited
for than anything Star Trek has done in I'm more

(46:43):
excited for Alien Earth than I was for a Start
Trik Card after season one. I was really excited for
Startup Card when it was announced. Season one was good
but not great, and season two I thought was worse.
Season three was good, really great, But I think I
am in I think I'm more excited for Alien Earth
that have been for Star Trek in a long time,
and that is really really sad. But it's just because

(47:05):
the creative team they have behind it is a bold
and interesting creative team that I think we're gonna make
great choices.

Speaker 3 (47:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
Yeah, that's uh, that sounds about right.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
Yeah, So Star Trek go back, Let know a Holly
do what he wanted to do, whatever it was, even
if it's no longer possible than this canon scrapped the
last few years and just let know a Holly do it.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
Anyway.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
Popping back to this episode, though, it is oh yeah,
I didn't see it in the episode, but I noticed
it like people were showing putting it.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
All up over all over the internet.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
I laughed when I saw the freaking tartest because like
the whole time I was seeing the scavengers in those
giant suits clunking around. I kept thinking like, oh, here
the you done again?

Speaker 2 (47:50):
Oh man, I think I.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
Remember the giant rhinos from Doctor.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Who's Yeah, Dune, Yes, I was gonna say, like, I
remember the look of what you're talking about, but I
couldn't remember their name, and I was I was thinking
of those giant creatures from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. Oh,
like those guys. That reminded me of those guys a lot.

Speaker 3 (48:13):
Yeah, I can see that.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
All right, Well, I feel like we have we you know,
good episode had its issues, but it's still another week
where I enjoyed Star Trek and wasn't like mad at it.

Speaker 3 (48:26):
I wasn't mad at it. I was just kind of bored.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
Yeah, honestly, I see that. I see that we got
a couple of bits of feedback if.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
You had let's hear it, Andre Sparks, Wow, episode six
was definitely the best episode set's episode five. I think
we are propelled into greatness for the rest of the season.
I hope so, Andre, that would be great. But I
know that Vulcan episode is coming up. That Vulcan episode

(48:55):
is haunting. Yeah, me too, and me too. It's just
creeping upon me.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
Still a little right, send everybody's Kirking for the weekend,
Say a lot?

Speaker 3 (49:13):
Who ate his tail?

Speaker 1 (49:14):
If Kirk's so bored, maybe he should spend some time
working on his co parenting skills for his upcoming child.

Speaker 3 (49:23):
Oh look, man, we know.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
From Star Trek two Carol said she didn't want him
gallivanting around the cosmos with his father. And you know,
if he has any contact with Kirk, that means that
he's gonna want to go. Kirk is so charismatic. This
Kirk will make you want to buy a condo.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
Or at least, you know, timeshare for one. Come on, man,
condo to it till dun't be looking at.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
The captain may have all only been a vulcan and
therefore required only the mildest of prosthetics, but rules are rules,
and she needed to be incapacitated as soon as possible.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
Rules.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
If you don't know who famous Scottish inventor John Logi
Baird is, you should. He invented the television and therefore
Star Trek wouldn't even exist without him, You ungrateful fox. Yeah,
I didn't know I didn't. I had to go back
and like we had to put on the captions to
see what Scotty was saying. This Scotty is too Scottish.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
Give me back my American Scottish people.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
American Scotti a species that scavenger's tech from other vessels.
Is this a pockled story, dude.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
Oh, than Borg, Yeah, that is definitely closer. It's like
this explosion gave them all brain damage. They didn't kill him,
they just turned him into the pocket exactly.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
It's good.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
I love Scotty's increasing belligerence throughout. Well, that could have
gone better. Nah, I don't know what he's.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
Talking about, the dog who caught the car. Wait a minute,
was Kirk's mother trying to quote Heath Ledgers jokers? Do
I look like I have a planned speech? I think
that was around before Heath Ledger. Nope, I think I
think he's right. It's just from the dark Knight, only

(51:40):
only place anyone's ever said. The dog who got the car?

Speaker 1 (51:43):
Yeah they're human is not a shocking twist at this point.
It's not do better. You could have at least made
the ship's flag something else, Danish perhaps, Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
I do think that like that was very much a
pointed like aim, like a shot at America, like a
shot at America.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
Also, by the way, yeah, appropriating everyone else's shit.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
What oh yeah, yeah yeah yeah, sure, sure, sure, But
I do think it could have been nice if it
had been like like they were talking about, how is
the best of them? You know. I kind of think
I should have said it had like a bunch of
flags on there, you know what I mean, like it
was an international community came together to do this thing.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
You know, they had an American flag, but then there
was like the little arrow and it had like the
UN symbol in the middle of it.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
The UN symbol. Okay, I thought, honestly, I didn't. I
didn't pause or anything. That looked like a Starfleet symbol
to me. And I was like, what.

Speaker 3 (52:52):
It was the whatever? The United Earth symbol?

Speaker 2 (52:56):
Okay, gotcha.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
It was a It was a ship that predated Starfleet
and the Federation. It was it predates It was like
the XCV one hundred I think it was, which the
XCV three hundred was the first enterprise Okay, the ring

(53:20):
ship you know.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
Okay, yeah, yeah, if you know what that is, uh,
it's around Okay.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
It's like my obscure star Trek ship. Knowledge comes in
handy every once in a while. Let's see where are
we at.

Speaker 3 (53:37):
At this point.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
The deal with the Lantha, the deal with lanthan Kites
like Pelia, kind of calls for more explanation because we're
being told now she was on the planet for that
long with apparently other members of their species and couldn't
get off it themselves.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
How did they get there in the first place.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
I don't I thought that they explained.

Speaker 3 (53:54):
Some of this.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
They go back and see her in an episode, but
I don't. I don't know how much it's explained. Yeah,
I just kind of don't care if they I'm annoyed
that Holly Hunter's character is half Lanthanite in Starfleet Academy MM,
because I'm like, great, now she's just gonna be walking
around going like, yeah, when I was around with the dead,

(54:18):
I was hanging out with my buddy Pelia. Yeah, fuck happen.

Speaker 3 (54:26):
We still tell you stay in touch. You know she's
over here drinking Granny's peach tea. That is her granny.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
Man, Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
Stude says, well, that was good. If let down by
a few points. I didn't personally need a Kirk Captaincy
origin story. But I think it was done well enough.
The unknown antagonist was suitably foreboding enough and enigmatic, even
if the human reveal was a let down for me. Though,
there's still a mystery around how they got to be
like that and why they kept themselves from actually reaching

(55:03):
out to other sentient species. America also, I gotta.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Figure in America, I gotta figure that the huge casualties
must have included kids, right, So ouch, yeah, no, no,
it's definitely like a big like generationship and so yeah,
that was definitely a lot of people dead. I mean
they were going there. Their culture was going around consuming
other cultures like in mass and destroying worlds like and

(55:33):
it was literally them that seven thousand people or the
what it was at one hundred million people on the
planet they were heading towards. So like, Kirk does not
need to feel bad. It was the right call, But like,
I think that the point is that he didn't even
consider this could be a this could be a possible
like group that he could communicate with or or challenge

(55:55):
in some other way. And I think that is a
big point of this episode and to this urgent sory
of his captaincy, and I like that a lot. I
like that that he made a decision that like it's right,
there's you know, by the numbers, needs of the many,
and like you know, if someone tries to kill you, you
try to kill him right back, all the all these

(56:15):
classic sci fi tropes. But like, it's not it's that
the fact that he didn't even consider these people could
be human, or that they could be communicated with, or
that he might try to plomacy of some sort. He
just had to go for the go for the kill.
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
Which you know, if you're looking in the mouth of
this thing and you see all these other ships, you
gotta imagine somebody tried to talk to these people.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
Yeah, no, no, probably, I mean it's like I said,
he probably made the right call. Like I don't think
he made a wrong call, but at least yeah, but
he the fact that he didn't consider it is gonna
haunt him, and that's what makes him kirk Man, and
the fact that there's there might have been another way
than violence is important to him.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
Stu continues. The ensemble was good and having everyone being
unsure about Kirk's suitability for the situation was interesting. Also,
Please keep in mind they totally avoided resuming any of
the old Kirk law and romantic tension. That's symbolics we
didn't need for this.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
So that's what I wanted.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
Too relevant in a row is appreciated too.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
Yeah, thanks Stu, I agree, Thanks to I completely agree.
I think this has been two Just like very Star
Trek y Star Trek episodes. I say this all the
time on episodes like this, but just an episode where
they're like chasing down ships or whatever. It reminds me
of the books I read as a kid, and like
thinking about all the ways that I really love thinking

(57:42):
about the galaxy and thinking about these different ships and
how they're they're all trying to triangulate to do the
right thing, and when there's trouble communicating, how they have
to think about different ways of tackling a situation. I
just I really enjoy that part of Star Trek, the
sort of finding a solution together sort of thing. So yeah,
this was this one. This one did it for me.

(58:03):
I liked it.

Speaker 3 (58:04):
You know what they needed.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
They needed a sing where Kirk and Spock have to
talk about law and for just a second, maybe Kirk
intimate said he knows something about her, and Spock is like,
how do you know that?

Speaker 2 (58:15):
And he's like, she talks in her sleep. So that
we have two Indiana Jones references. And what's the other
Indian John's reference? The archaeologist who didn't want to step
out on the visual and the invisible? Oh from last week,
I got you. I was thinking of this episode, right right,
you're right, Yeah, that would have been nice. That would
have been nice. Talk of sleep. What a great movie,

(58:36):
thirty Jones. He's so good. Oh yeah, that's the best one,
oh for sure, for sure, Like everybody just staring at
it and he's like, you didn't have a ticket?

Speaker 3 (58:46):
Yeah, And just the.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
Just throwing a Nazi out of a window.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
Sean Connery as his dad is so inspired and so
like timely. It's just he's he's Sean Connery, still at
the height of his powers, but old, you know, like
old enough to be in these dad, and it's just
really great. It's just such a good movie. Yeah, my
favorite one. Mine too, for sure, mine too. All right, guys,

(59:11):
Well that's gonna be it for us. We'll be back
soon with more Star Trek and a couple of days.
Hopefully I won't be. I won't have a gig this weekend,
so I should be able to get in the chair
a little sooner. Yeah, Joeln True Live, long and prosper.

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