June 13, 2025 • 34 mins
In an unsurprising move, Paramount Plus has decided to end Star Trek: Strange New Worlds with a six-episode fifth season! We talk about our feelings regarding this announcement and speculate on how the impending Paramount merger and their new CEO will effect the state of Star Trek.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
On this emergency episode of Star Trek Universe, Strange New
Worlds is coming to an end. We'll be talking all
about it. After those words from Randolph and Mortimer Duke
the greedy, scirless, heartless sons of a bitch. I've owned
Duke and Duke Philadelphia Commodities Brokerage.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Welcome to Star Trek Universe, the podcast where you get
to listen in on two lifelong friends and chat about
Star Trek. Man is Matthew Carroll.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
I'm David c. Robertson. Enjoyed your trading places. I was
wondering if you would get it of course, of course,
and of course coming to America. Yeah, we're back, Mortimer,
we're back, all right. Well, so we're gonna make this
one quick.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
We just recorded an hour and a half long episode
yesterday I posted it. So we're gonna make this one
a quick one. But it's because they dropped some news
on us.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
What you gain, Dave, Yeah, I feel like we we
have more power. There are power, there's power in our words.
And I didn't realize how powerful we know, right, I know.
All we said was the trailer was a little bad,
you know, the marketing was bad on the trailer for
me to cancel the show Paramount. That's interesting.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
I took it very differently, but I, oh yeah, yeah,
like different words we said.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
What were the different words? We go ahead and tell
the news things so we can get to.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Like people are hearing us talk about the thing without
knowing what we're talking about if you don't tell.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
All right, So straight as New Worlds was canceled kind
of Uh, it was renewed for a fifth and final season,
and that season will have six episodes, right, and it
already this is the third coming up right, this is
the third that's about premiere, so we've got.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Being canceled is definitely an I feel like that's not
really what you say here, Like they say they say
in the release, it's it's their fit, their five season,
which was always their vision that right, maybe, but not maybe.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
We literally talked about this on the show, a Kiva
Goldsman saying we'll go ten years right into cos if
Paramount lets us. Okay, Yeah, that actually pissed me off.
That's funny.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
I could see at some point that being the vision
given this, you know, the five year mission idea. But
I don't care. Maybe that was someone's vision at some point,
and other people had other ideas, the fact this is
more like a a you know, calling your shot than
it is a cancelation, Like this is a renewal for
a final season, right when we still haven't gotten two
(02:36):
of the seasons. So we're getting five seasons of Strange
New Worlds, right, So this doesn't feel like a cancelation
to me. It's gonna be a long run, and I think, no,
it's it's sort of lost when we knew it had
six seasons and it was gonna stop and we were like, Okay,
now now they can really get down to the business
of ending this show. Well, you know, and I think
that's a great thing for the show.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
I don't feel like knowing it's gonna be five seasons
at this point is a is a bad thing at all.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
I'm glad they have episodes to wrap it. I'm glad
they get more than Discovery got, which was an episode.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Well like and ten minutes really ten minutes an episode, yeah, yeah,
ten minutes.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
At the end of the episode to wrap it.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
They get two full seasons to wrap it, right. They
haven't even shot season four shot.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Yeah, they've shot four.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Okay, So they get a full season to wrap it
that that's still that's still.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
I don't have a full season. They have six episodes.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
They've already shot fourteen episodes of I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
The four I'm pretty sure they're done with they wrapped it.
I think.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Wait, the thing is they're getting renewed for a fifth
and final season they have shot. If they hadn't renewed
been renewed for the fifth season, how have they already
shot some.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Of the fifth season? No, they've shot the fourth season.
The fifth season will only be six episodes. Oh okay,
I didn't hear know that. Yeah, they've already shot season four.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Okay, so six season, six episodes, all right, that's it.
That is more like just let's wrap it up. That's
that's not a full season. That's that's more sad for me.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Yeah, there's uh, they have some they have a little
room to you know, fucking around with the editing and
editing you know, and trying to agree what they want
to do.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
But well, and they can add time to like it's
a it's a streaming show. A lot of these shows
that are just streaming will do things like you know,
the last season four of the episodes will be an
hour and a half long, or some ship like a
Stranger Things is about to wrap its final season. I
think it's three two hour episodes or whatever, you know,
(04:33):
So who knows what that sixty six episodes will be.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Yeah, and I've got mixed feelings because I'm glad they
get six episodes to wrap it. Better than more than
they gave you Discovery yep, and let's be fairst more
than they gave lower decks. But I'm not surprised by this.
I'm actually shocked that they gave them six episodes.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Hm.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
I kind of thought with everything going on with you know,
Paramount being sold to sky Dance and god knows, you know,
the stream they no streamer except for Netflix has made
money yet and has actually been profitable. I mean, they've
clearly made money, but Star Trek is a very very
(05:18):
especially Strange Worlds is a very very expensive show to make. Yeah,
and it might show, you know, we haven't seen yet
what they're doing on the Nielsen Top ten streaming because
that wasn't around the last time they were out. I
don't think. But I'm sure they'll do fine on that.
They'll they'll wind up on it. But none of these
(05:40):
Star Trek shows are making the money that they want
to make, right sure, so I have, you know, with
new ownership coming in soon, I have not been shocked
by any of this cancelation of Star Trek. I can't
believe they're still doing Starfleet Academy. I just kind of
thought they'd write it all off, honestly at this point.
(06:01):
But yeah, we'll see. Yeah, that's why it is. It
is wild.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I wonder, I do wonder with Starfleet Academy if they're
wrapping this up, which is I would think one are
the more popular Star Treks. I'm not sure it is. Yes, Yeah,
I know. It's had a really strong reception compared to
other things, and people have been excited about it. So yeah,
(06:26):
it's weird that it's getting wrapped, or it's weird that
they're wrapping this and not letting.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Us know that they're wrapping other things.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Because that's the thing we were talking a lot of
yesterday on that Bohemouth episode that about how if they're
going to sell it, and if we were in charge
of Star Trek, we would not necessarily wrap Strange New Worlds,
but we would try to take these shows that have
been released on, you know, the Discovery and its spin offs,
(06:55):
and release them, make them a separate universe, kind of
close that, close that loop and be like this was
all a burn on universe that sort of spun off,
and then maybe move on to something else. That was
my idea, and we were kind of talking about how
that that seems to make the most sense because it
would fix a lot of Cannon problems and whatever, and
they could move on telling the Star Trek story that's
(07:17):
been told dup a card and still the most popular,
sort of like line that prime timeline. So I think
it kind of feels like somebody's thinking about that, like
they're like, all right, let's start wrap it. Because if
this is their most popular and they're deciding to wrap it,
it kind of feels like they're starting to wrap this
stuff up. They don't want to end it immediately, but
(07:39):
they want to wrap it well and then probably have
the good thing about wrapping this show in two years
or whatever. It gives them two years of run time.
I wonder if there are people starting to think about, like, Okay,
what's the new relaunch gonna be, Like, what's it going
to look like when we wrap these shows and it
worries me that Academy is going to get the like
(07:59):
I would love a cat.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
To me to be great. It's got great people in it.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
But I'm worried if they are starting to think about
wrapping all this, it's gonna get the section thirty one
treatment where they're gonna like have enough of a season
written and then they're gonna be like, let's just pack
it in and do it all in a movie, and
it's gonna be bad.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
And that's what I'm worried about. I'm worried about that.
I'm worried about, you know, oh, several things. But I
think there's I'm very curious to know what the as
we talked about a couple of months ago, William Shatner
having said that he was approached about a Kirk project
(08:39):
where Kirk would be the main character. Right, I'm curious
what the situation is with that. If that is a
thing that is happening, they are gonna have to pay
Shattner out the ass. They mean they approached him for
a cameo in Enterprise for like an arc, and he
was so expensed that they couldn't do it.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Yeah, I just think that if a show like I
think you're sure he might try to charge them a lot,
but he's also not doing a lot right now. And
I think if they stroked his ego a little bit
and let him, you know, tell the kind of story
he wanted to tell, and it was more I always
thought that cameo thing was less about money and more
(09:24):
about like, he's like, sure, I'll do a cameo for
a lot of money, But if you want to make
me star of a show and like actually respect me,
you know, you might get a little like less less
expensive if you're actually like doing a project that means
something to you, you know.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Yeah, I don't know. I'm I'm I'm. One of the
things I'm very concerned about is this this David Ellis
character buying National Amusements and buying Paramount. Essentially, I don't
know anything about this. Who's David Elison. Uh, he's a guy,
(09:59):
he's basically his family is the His family put up
most of the money for him purchasing this controlling steak.
A lot of people seem to not be a big
fan of him, And I don't know anything about him
big you know, billionaire type, and I don't know. I
(10:19):
don't know anything about him.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Yeah, let me just take this, take this moment to
stay that billionaire shouldn't exist.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Just but you know when you say, hey, here's a
billionaire whose family is rich and they're buying a controlling
steak in a company who produces something that you love.
And then I also look at the licensing and how
the money that comes in from merchandise on Star Trek
(10:48):
is almost almost exclusively merchandise from the original series in
the next generation, right.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Sure, those are just the iconic images imagery. I mean,
those ships are the icons, and unfortunately I feel they
have it. To be an icon, you have to be
out there, you have to be making content for everyone.
Like I think about how Doctor Who has done such
(11:21):
a good job on their relaunch, the new generation of
Doctor Who, you know, where there's a lot of fans
that are new and they really like embrace the fact
that it's still a show for all ages, and that's
what Star Trek used to be. I've been saying this
since we started this podcast. Like I was, I was
upset at how they were sort of bifurcating everything.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
I think I think they need to do.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
More like the the Doctor Who model, make it fun,
make it exciting, but like keep it adult enough that
it's still meaty for the adults.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
You know. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
I just want them to make a Star Trek show
that's kind of undeniable, and I feel like nothing that's
on the table, even Legacy. Honestly, even Legacy I want,
but I don't think it's undeniable. And I think there's
a lot of people out there who would not be
interested to show that's like put cards, like, that's not
bringing new people in. That's something for the fans. It's
red meat for the base. It's not for like a
(12:15):
kid who doesn't know, you know. How do you get
these kids off anime and on the Star Trek?
Speaker 1 (12:19):
You know? Yeah, I think my biggest fear is I
don't think he'll they'll completely shut her Star Trek completely
because it makes too much money as far as merch.
But if you're looking at the merch and you're like,
the thing that sells is original series stuff and next
generation stuff, that, yeah, that might get us legacy. That
(12:41):
might get us legacy. But what I'm afraid of is
it'll be like what it'll also get us is weird
fucking AI resurrecting people from the grave. Yeah, yeah, and
not realizing that like, hey, most of the Star Trek
fans are like, you know, super liberal and don't want
(13:01):
to see just a gross misrepresentation of actors we loved,
you know, Like it's that's that's the kind of thing
that I'm afraid of, And it's.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
The sort of thing that I don't think is I
think it's inevitable to some degree, and I think it
is a thing we're going to see, but I just
want it to be done tastefully, you know, if it's
going to be done, and I think it probably probably
will be it, I'm okay if it's done tastefully. I
mean you watch that Uh we were talking about it
to uh, that that project where they had that one
(13:37):
dh or you know that Spock on the mountain looking
down at the uh Kirk's death place.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
You know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
It basically the beginning of the book, the return or
Ashes of Eden and and uh and we were so
excited by that. And it's just like if you do
stuff like that where you're just like capturing a really
true to life version of that character and then tell
the story with like actors playing the roles, but give
(14:08):
it give it sort of those like moments of moments
of touching on the old characters and of course the
people that are still alive. There's you know, if William
Shatner wanted to come back and do some motion capture
and actually capture his acting and be able to dage
him and put it that would I would have no
problem with that. They what they do with Harrison Ford
(14:28):
for uh Indiana Jones, you know what I mean? This
last Indian Jones view was amazing. It looked perfect and
it was like a fifteen minute long sequence and it
was it was It was really really amazing. So so
these actors that are still alive and still able to
make those decisions for themselves, you know, I can see
I can see really doing that like a Kirk Show
(14:50):
set back then, you know what I mean, with with
William Shatnon actually playing the role like that'd be pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Yeah, I guess I'm just I'm concerned about billionaire politics
changing Star Trek into something that shouldn't be. Oh for sure,
me too. Again, billionaires shouldn't exist. Yeah, And when I
say that, just to be clear, I don't mean the
people shouldn't exist. I mean we should structure our society
in a way that doesn't allow for people to get
(15:16):
this far ahead without supporting the bottom part of our society. Yeah,
that is what I mean. And you know, I'm also
concerned about them replacing people in Star Trek, like writers
and creatives in Star Trek, with people who do not
have those essential beliefs and ideals.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yeah, but I mean I doubt Yeah, that would really
kill it for me if if we had Star Trek.
That was like trying to be like, I don't know
anything about David Ellison.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Is he a right winger? Is that what you're getting at.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
I mean, just a billionaire I kind of assume, But yeah,
there are billionaires who who don't feel that way. I
still think that the idea of a billionaire, I don't know,
who knows, this guy might be like a guy who
may have wonderful in line beliefs or whatever, like who knows.
But like like with the Star Trek ideals, but it's
(16:16):
it's rare, of course, because the incentives are if you're
a billionaire, you want to keep your money and you
don't want to you know, like social programs.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Yeah, I mean, to be fair, you know, he he's
been in charge of he's been in the CEO of
sky Dance for a long time. And sky Dance, you know,
did the J. J. Abrams movies. I haven't read a
whole lot of like anything, you know, politically untoward, I
guess in those movies or anything.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Yeah, me neither and like those movies. So so you say,
you say that, and I'm not gonna say it's untoward.
But I do think those movies kind of just avoid
the big questions. They turned as we talked about any time.
They're kind of Star Trek, but they're kind of Star Wars,
you know, they're just sort of like this simplified good
(17:06):
versus evil, Let's fight some battles. Mostly, I think Beyond
is a little different.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Actually, I would say Star Wars is way more political
than those three Star Trek movies.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
It depends on which Star Trek Star Wars you're talking about,
because I think the prequels are a lot more political.
I don't think the original series, original trilogy is very political.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
I think they are more than people give them credit for.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
But yeah, I mean they're anti fascist, but it's very
it's not like they're actually talking about.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
I'm not a big Star Wars guy, so I don't
know all the like, like I know, I know the
build out and the lore, and I know that George
Lucas originally envisioned it as like the rebels were supposed
to be representing like the Viacong, Like yeah, it was
like an anti Vietnam War movie. So like, absolutely it
was political, and absolutely it was left wing and like
all that stuff, but like it's not not like sitting
(18:00):
there until now like these days is absolutely like if
you watch and Or it is talking about directly about
Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Yeah, like a in a big way.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
The Emperor is you know, the Empire is doing like
you know, nineteen eighty four type stuff, and it's and
it's just absolutely these speeches that are in Mathma Man
Mathma in the one of the last episodes of and
Org gives like a rousing speech about how you know,
democracy dies when the truth dies, and like, yeah, it's
(18:33):
it's great, It's it's really great.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
But the old Star Wars wasn't that. It's definitely like,
you know, anti fascism, but not I don't know that
goes much further than that.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
And here here it is. You know, I don't feel good.
You said we'll keep it at ten minutes, and I'm
the one that made it longer. I don't know if
I've been talking to you, you know, like I get these things,
you know, I see I start worrying about shit like
this because I'm like, I'm I got to cry about
Strange New World's ending. It's a good enough show, but
you know, at the same time, I'm like looking at
(19:05):
where the franchise is heading, and I'm like, what are
we as Star Trek fans going to be getting?
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Yeah, we've been eating good for a few years, and
I do feel like we're about to I mean, I've
already felt the pullback. Like for a while, it was
like it felt like every week for like two years,
we got an episode and then and then it's suddenly
this year. This last two years, maybe it's felt like
we get like four months off, then we get a
(19:32):
show for ten weeks, then we get three months off,
and Yeah, they're trying to space them out more and more,
and I think it's just trying to keep us subscribe
to Paramount Plus while giving us less while spending less.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Money on content.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Yeah, yeah, uh and that's uh, you know, maybe that's
the way to turn a profit, but it's a bummer.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
If I if I were this guy, though, I'll tell
you what I'd do. I'd come in and I'd do
a movie, a big movie with William Shatner, Paul Wesley
and Chris Pond. You multiverse spanning star trek epic hmm,
except none of those guys would be the star. Will
Wheaton would be the star. Oh yeah, Like I said,
(20:13):
go doctor Who with it? H Man.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
The interesting thing talking about the Doctor Who of it all.
The thing that has become more iconic even now than
it was before is the blue Box.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
And they didn't change it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Like it's almost like if you had taken the Enterprise,
you know, the Nobloody a nobody b and like done
the done the thing with it where you just like
keep telling stories in that enterprise, you know what I mean, like,
and somehow kept it going.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Well, you know, the artist changes, it gets scuffed up.
Oh sure, sure, sure, yeah, Like you know, it's still
a blue box. It's still like.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
High It's still like you could have one from the
that you bought in the fifties and one that you
bought now and you could still recognize it. It's it's
the iconography and like you know, obviously one of the
things we like is Star Trek fans I think is
new ships, but like changing our old ships, Like who
was asking for that? Jj Abrams, Like who was asking that?
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Yeah, it is a little weird. It's weird and also
strange new world. It's like, yes, I did it, like
like my enterprise.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
I'm just going for like the guy who did it first.
I mean, like obviously there were always changes always, yeah,
from episode to episode in the original series, but like.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Shot to shot right because we used to three different
models like right right, right right.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
But but the idea that you just we just let's
make the enterprise, but just like completely change it.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
It's like, well why why?
Speaker 2 (21:45):
And now I just I feel like Star Trek is
so split, so many different fans that love different stuff
and different things about Star Trek, and it's just it's
it's the same problem with all media, honestly, but Star
Trek hasn't stay you. It feels like it feels like
it's been very like split apart. There are people that
love Discovery and the stuff they did on that show,
(22:06):
there are people that that's their Star Trek and like
that's and there's people who like love Strange New Worlds
in the direction and the kind of campy let's just care,
not care about Cannon and do whatever we want stuff
that they're doing on Strange New Worlds. And there's people
that like really want to go back to the old
canon and stick with it, and it's just like, uh,
you're You're never gonna please everybody. But like the way
(22:26):
they've splintered things, which I've been preaching this as long
as we've been doing this podcast has made it ten
times worse because there's nothing to rally around. There's not
an icon for the new era, Like I can't I
got nothing I think about, Like what what is an
icon of the new Star Trek era? Like, I got
nothing that I want to put on my wall.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
You know.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Maybe, yeah, obviously I would like a poster here and there,
But like even even the Pocard series was only like
going back to old stuff, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Yes, but if you I think their best chance for
an icon right now is seven of nine.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Yeah, I think she's still I was, you know, So
it's funny you say that, like when I said there's
no icon. My thoughts went to seven of nine and
could be. Yeah, so I'm right there with you. I
think that seven of nine still still looking like seven
of nine a little bit. But having the new you know,
in a in a starfleet uniform whatever whatever whatever version
of the starfleet uniform they go with, if they modernize
(23:25):
the stuff, you know, do some new, up up date
on the Starfleet uniform and and make her and Jack
and everybody else on the ship like that, they could
be the new icons for sure.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Yeah. But these guys, man, these companies have got to
fucking figure out how to make streaming work. Yeah, because
they're killing TV. Like, all of them are cutting off.
Like you saw the HBO Max shit right where like
or the Warner Brothers shit where they announced they were
splitting TV off into its own thing and streaming and
film we're gonna be into its own company. No, they're
(23:58):
basically like and they're putting all of the fucking debt
of Warner Brothers on the shoulders of this TV branch. Okay,
they are killing television. Yeah, that's that's gonna kill television
for sure. NBC is doing a very similar deal and
they haven't figured out how to make streaming work. So
what funds what funds television past now? And the truth is,
(24:22):
the truth about streaming is there's just too much as
a society.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Things make money when they become very popular, and like
when you make a billion things, it's great because there's
this content for everyone. There's very specific things for everyone.
But we make too much. Now no one can keep up.
Even if there's a lot of stuff you want to watch,
(24:49):
you can't watch it all. And I think they're making
too I think too much TV is being produced and
that is why nothing's making money, because everyone's trying to
like put their own thing out there. Every company is
trying to like make their own streaming service. And if
they just sort of slowed down and everyone sort of
pooled their efforts and made like a streaming service work.
And Hulu kind of did this with like multiple companies
(25:11):
coming in and like being like that, we're gonna make
Hulu and it's going to be a streaming service and
we're all in on it and we're all gonna make
content for this. But then it slowly got bought out
by Disney and now Disney just owns that.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
I think we're gonna wind up seeing a lot of
these companies are starting to realize they're gonna make money.
They're making money off of taking stuff off of their
platform and licensing it out to things like Toubi and Pluto.
We're seeing a lot of that now. And you know what,
does Tuby and Pluto do fucking ads? Sure? Everybody and
now and the other platforms are starting to be like,
(25:42):
well we'll start doing ads.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Yeah, or you can pay an extend extra four bucks
for ad free. That's what Erason's doing now.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Yeah. But I think some of these things are going
to go away, and and the networks themselves, the companies
themselves will just license stuff out to Tube and Pluto
and other free services.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
What's interesting, there's a certain services like Amazon Prime and
Apple have an interesting model where you've got you pay
for the service, but then right next to it, you're
selling them stuff. You got Amazon where it's like, all right,
here's all the show here's all the shows you get
for free. Oh, you clicked on one that's ten dollars,
don't you want to watch it? Oh? And like Apple's
(26:20):
the same way. You go on Apple and you're like, oh,
I get this great library of content. Oh there's there's
that movie that was just in theaters. Oh twenty dollars.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Oh, well, time at home.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
I'll watch it for twenty you know, like it's right there.
And I think that's another model that really is working.
And I don't know if it may not be working.
Their streaming service might not be making money, but their
streaming service is an ad for them to sell you
more movies and TV.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Yeah, and I'm not a rich man, but it worked
on us, right. We were on Apple TV or over
the couple months ago. Wanted to watch Crazy Ex Girlfriend,
fantastic show if you haven't seen it, and it was
on Apple that's the only place it was streaming. But
we had to buy it. We bought it. Yeah, we went,
(27:05):
fuck it. This money, I'll go towards making sure that
Shrinking gets another season. My God, which another fantastic show.
I you know, I don't know how Apple does this.
I mean I know kind of how they do. Everything
they have is so overpriced, like they don't even need
to make their TV shows profitable. There's like we're just
(27:25):
gonna make really high end ship that's way.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
And they've said that, they've said that, like their their
streaming service isn't really to make money. It's a it's
a marketing platform for all their stuff.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
And yeah, and I think.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
That's true for their content people buy. But it's also
true that just like the name Apple is being associated
with another prestige thing, so for the rest of like
another prestige television show. And it's just it's amazing and
it's an Apple it's an Apple TV show. And tell my,
I tell people all the time, Apple is pound for pound,
(27:57):
like the best hit rate of anything I've seen. Like,
I have not seen a show on Apple TV. I
was disappointed with.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
I mean, I'll I'll never forgive them for canceling the
Big Door Prize. But I never saw that. Oh it
was so good. It doesn't sound like my kind of
thing is sort of a a game show type thing.
Oh no, no, it was fantastic. You would have loved it.
Oh okay, it was a Chris o Dowd show. Oh oh,
I know what you're talking about. Yeah, where like everyone
(28:25):
is like getting these cards from this machine and it's
like telling them who what their truth is or who
they truly are, and everyone's changing their life in this town,
up ending their entire existence. And then there's like all
this mystery surrounding it, like.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Where it came from. And yeah, and it did it.
It didn't get an ending, No it didn't. That's a
bummer because I did see commercials for that and I
thought it looked like a really interesting show.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Oh it was fantastic. That's a bummer.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Well, man, I really do need to get off of here,
because me too.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
We said we're gonna do ten.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Minutes, and I don't know how long we're at now,
but I know how we are. But I'm I'm you know,
Star Trek will go on. We'll see how it goes on.
And this is this guy who may be buying it
is billionaire? No he is, but yeah, well I'm just saying,
like if he is, and then it goes through and everything,
(29:18):
he's like he's buying their parent company of their parent
company or whatever. Like he's not necessarily even caring about
Star Trek. So who knows, he might like leave it alone.
He might figure out a way to like just pick
the right people to be in it. You know, he
might be smart enough to pick the right people. But yeah,
I don't.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
I don't trust any one man with that much power.
Paramount's too big franchises or Mission Impossible and Star Trek
that's what.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
The guy and Mission Impossible is supposedly over.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
It's not. We know, we all know that. You know,
Tom Cruise is officially on social media like pimping what's
that guy's name? Glenn Powell from Oh to be on
be the News to be the next face of Mission Impossible. Yeah,
the way it ended, they did a really good job
in the in the Final Reckoning of like building up
a few characters around Ethan. They always have, They've always
(30:12):
been good characters, but like they left it off in
a place where like Ethan actually like one of the
things I didn't like about the movie was they did
a lot of stuff where Ethan was by himself and
his team was off doing something else. But it it
did two things.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
It made me feel less like a Mission Ipossible because
a lot of the Mission Possible movies to me are
Ethan talking to you know, Simon Pegg and being like,
why are you doing this to me? You're doing this,
You're messing up. And they did a lot of final
Reckoning where Ethan was off doing something and Simon was
kind of, uh, you know, what's his name?
Speaker 1 (30:45):
In the movie.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Name anyway, Simon Pegg's character is a is mm fuck
my name.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
I haven't seen a Mission Impossible movie since three? Oh man?
That's uh? Is it the J j Abrams one? The first? Yeah?
J j Abrams one with Carrie Russell and.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Uh yeah, Benji Benji is PEG's character's name.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
I just podcast about this movie. I feel very embarrassed.
Philip Seymore Hoffman.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Yeah, oh yeah, that's that's a That's the one that
like sort of revamped the franchise and kind of past
that kept moving on and I think got better and better.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Well, they had to revamp it after that fucking Mission
Impossible too, John Wu And yeah, slow motion doves and
ship the Bike. There's weird bike stuff in there that
like makes no sense. I don't know anything.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Yeah that we covered it on Binger's Assemble, and the
two is such a weird outlier.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Do Grace Scott being the most wooden villain ever.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Yeah, one feels really dated when you rewatch it.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
I loved one and I haven't seen it in years.
I haven't seen it since I love One. Now.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
It's great, but it feels dated and it just feels
like an older movie, and you would love it.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
You love older movies, I love some older movies, and
all of all old I love some older movies. I
think I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
When you like and you like the fact that it's old,
I think is a plus for you and for me.
For me, sometimes it's a little bit of a negative.
I get a lost in the older pacing. Sometimes I
get just a little run down, like come on, move
the story along, like I don't need this long establishing
shot whatever.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
It is just an adjustment for me generally. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
So so I think the first one, it's great, it's amazing.
There's some amazing scenes in there that hold up really
really well. But I think overall it just feels like
it was made in the nineties, you know, yeah, and
it was like it, Sure, it's a good movie, but
it feels like it's made in the nineties. But from
three on feel like very solid and of a piece.
They feel very like like they were making the same franchise.
(32:45):
They figured out what it was with three ethic and
it goes back to the first one. I think they
pull a lot from what the first one was, and
they build out the third one, and then the fourth
one and the fifth one and the sixth one and
the seventh one. I think the eighth one is the last,
the final Reckoning. I think that's right. Yeah, it's a
it's a fun series, it really is. But what my
point was with all of that is then the last one,
(33:06):
they split Ethan off and have him doing all this
crazy stunts for a bunch of the movie, and then
Benji is with the team, and it's kind of like
a new team, Like it's got some of the old
people in it and some like brand new characters, and
they really build those characters up and give them a
lot of poor and I was like, I would watch
I would watch them in a mission Ipossible nine, like
(33:26):
without anyone else, Like they don't need a new Ethan Hunt,
they need like that these six people would be a
great team. And like having Benji, who's always been sort
of the side character who sort of the joke, step
into a leadership role in this one was really cool.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Cool. Yeah, I've I've always wanted to go back and
watch them, I just never have. I like them. I
like them all. They got lost in my shuffle.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Man, I understand. I understand. All right, Well we'll be
back soon, guys. The Emergency ten minute pod. Here you
go like a forty minute pod.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Uh pooch Untrue, livelong, and prosper.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
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On this emergency episode of Star Trek Universe, Strange New
Worlds is coming to an end. We'll be talking all
about it. After those words from Randolph and Mortimer Duke
the greedy, scirless, heartless sons of a bitch. I've owned
Duke and Duke Philadelphia Commodities Brokerage.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Welcome to Star Trek Universe, the podcast where you get
to listen in on two lifelong friends and chat about
Star Trek. Man is Matthew Carroll.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
I'm David c. Robertson. Enjoyed your trading places. I was
wondering if you would get it of course, of course,
and of course coming to America. Yeah, we're back, Mortimer,
we're back, all right. Well, so we're gonna make this
one quick.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
We just recorded an hour and a half long episode
yesterday I posted it. So we're gonna make this one
a quick one. But it's because they dropped some news
on us.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
What you gain, Dave, Yeah, I feel like we we
have more power. There are power, there's power in our words.
And I didn't realize how powerful we know, right, I know.
All we said was the trailer was a little bad,
you know, the marketing was bad on the trailer for
me to cancel the show Paramount. That's interesting.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
I took it very differently, but I, oh yeah, yeah,
like different words we said.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
What were the different words? We go ahead and tell
the news things so we can get to.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Like people are hearing us talk about the thing without
knowing what we're talking about if you don't tell.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
All right, So straight as New Worlds was canceled kind
of Uh, it was renewed for a fifth and final season,
and that season will have six episodes, right, and it
already this is the third coming up right, this is
the third that's about premiere, so we've got.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Being canceled is definitely an I feel like that's not
really what you say here, Like they say they say
in the release, it's it's their fit, their five season,
which was always their vision that right, maybe, but not maybe.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
We literally talked about this on the show, a Kiva
Goldsman saying we'll go ten years right into cos if
Paramount lets us. Okay, Yeah, that actually pissed me off.
That's funny.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
I could see at some point that being the vision
given this, you know, the five year mission idea. But
I don't care. Maybe that was someone's vision at some point,
and other people had other ideas, the fact this is
more like a a you know, calling your shot than
it is a cancelation, Like this is a renewal for
a final season, right when we still haven't gotten two
(02:36):
of the seasons. So we're getting five seasons of Strange
New Worlds, right, So this doesn't feel like a cancelation
to me. It's gonna be a long run, and I think, no,
it's it's sort of lost when we knew it had
six seasons and it was gonna stop and we were like, Okay,
now now they can really get down to the business
of ending this show. Well, you know, and I think
that's a great thing for the show.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
I don't feel like knowing it's gonna be five seasons
at this point is a is a bad thing at all.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
I'm glad they have episodes to wrap it. I'm glad
they get more than Discovery got, which was an episode.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Well like and ten minutes really ten minutes an episode, yeah, yeah,
ten minutes.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
At the end of the episode to wrap it.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
They get two full seasons to wrap it, right. They
haven't even shot season four shot.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Yeah, they've shot four.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Okay, So they get a full season to wrap it
that that's still that's still.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
I don't have a full season. They have six episodes.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
They've already shot fourteen episodes of I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
The four I'm pretty sure they're done with they wrapped it.
I think.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Wait, the thing is they're getting renewed for a fifth
and final season they have shot. If they hadn't renewed
been renewed for the fifth season, how have they already
shot some.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Of the fifth season? No, they've shot the fourth season.
The fifth season will only be six episodes. Oh okay,
I didn't hear know that. Yeah, they've already shot season four.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Okay, so six season, six episodes, all right, that's it.
That is more like just let's wrap it up. That's
that's not a full season. That's that's more sad for me.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Yeah, there's uh, they have some they have a little
room to you know, fucking around with the editing and
editing you know, and trying to agree what they want
to do.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
But well, and they can add time to like it's
a it's a streaming show. A lot of these shows
that are just streaming will do things like you know,
the last season four of the episodes will be an
hour and a half long, or some ship like a
Stranger Things is about to wrap its final season. I
think it's three two hour episodes or whatever, you know,
(04:33):
So who knows what that sixty six episodes will be.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Yeah, and I've got mixed feelings because I'm glad they
get six episodes to wrap it. Better than more than
they gave you Discovery yep, and let's be fairst more
than they gave lower decks. But I'm not surprised by this.
I'm actually shocked that they gave them six episodes.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Hm.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
I kind of thought with everything going on with you know,
Paramount being sold to sky Dance and god knows, you know,
the stream they no streamer except for Netflix has made
money yet and has actually been profitable. I mean, they've
clearly made money, but Star Trek is a very very
(05:18):
especially Strange Worlds is a very very expensive show to make. Yeah,
and it might show, you know, we haven't seen yet
what they're doing on the Nielsen Top ten streaming because
that wasn't around the last time they were out. I
don't think. But I'm sure they'll do fine on that.
They'll they'll wind up on it. But none of these
(05:40):
Star Trek shows are making the money that they want
to make, right sure, so I have, you know, with
new ownership coming in soon, I have not been shocked
by any of this cancelation of Star Trek. I can't
believe they're still doing Starfleet Academy. I just kind of
thought they'd write it all off, honestly at this point.
(06:01):
But yeah, we'll see. Yeah, that's why it is. It
is wild.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I wonder, I do wonder with Starfleet Academy if they're
wrapping this up, which is I would think one are
the more popular Star Treks. I'm not sure it is. Yes, Yeah,
I know. It's had a really strong reception compared to
other things, and people have been excited about it. So yeah,
(06:26):
it's weird that it's getting wrapped, or it's weird that
they're wrapping this and not letting.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Us know that they're wrapping other things.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Because that's the thing we were talking a lot of
yesterday on that Bohemouth episode that about how if they're
going to sell it, and if we were in charge
of Star Trek, we would not necessarily wrap Strange New Worlds,
but we would try to take these shows that have
been released on, you know, the Discovery and its spin offs,
(06:55):
and release them, make them a separate universe, kind of
close that, close that loop and be like this was
all a burn on universe that sort of spun off,
and then maybe move on to something else. That was
my idea, and we were kind of talking about how
that that seems to make the most sense because it
would fix a lot of Cannon problems and whatever, and
they could move on telling the Star Trek story that's
(07:17):
been told dup a card and still the most popular,
sort of like line that prime timeline. So I think
it kind of feels like somebody's thinking about that, like
they're like, all right, let's start wrap it. Because if
this is their most popular and they're deciding to wrap it,
it kind of feels like they're starting to wrap this
stuff up. They don't want to end it immediately, but
(07:39):
they want to wrap it well and then probably have
the good thing about wrapping this show in two years
or whatever. It gives them two years of run time.
I wonder if there are people starting to think about, like, Okay,
what's the new relaunch gonna be, Like, what's it going
to look like when we wrap these shows and it
worries me that Academy is going to get the like
(07:59):
I would love a cat.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
To me to be great. It's got great people in it.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
But I'm worried if they are starting to think about
wrapping all this, it's gonna get the section thirty one
treatment where they're gonna like have enough of a season
written and then they're gonna be like, let's just pack
it in and do it all in a movie, and
it's gonna be bad.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
And that's what I'm worried about. I'm worried about that.
I'm worried about, you know, oh, several things. But I
think there's I'm very curious to know what the as
we talked about a couple of months ago, William Shatner
having said that he was approached about a Kirk project
(08:39):
where Kirk would be the main character. Right, I'm curious
what the situation is with that. If that is a
thing that is happening, they are gonna have to pay
Shattner out the ass. They mean they approached him for
a cameo in Enterprise for like an arc, and he
was so expensed that they couldn't do it.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Yeah, I just think that if a show like I
think you're sure he might try to charge them a lot,
but he's also not doing a lot right now. And
I think if they stroked his ego a little bit
and let him, you know, tell the kind of story
he wanted to tell, and it was more I always
thought that cameo thing was less about money and more
(09:24):
about like, he's like, sure, I'll do a cameo for
a lot of money, But if you want to make
me star of a show and like actually respect me,
you know, you might get a little like less less
expensive if you're actually like doing a project that means
something to you, you know.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Yeah, I don't know. I'm I'm I'm. One of the
things I'm very concerned about is this this David Ellis
character buying National Amusements and buying Paramount. Essentially, I don't
know anything about this. Who's David Elison. Uh, he's a guy,
(09:59):
he's basically his family is the His family put up
most of the money for him purchasing this controlling steak.
A lot of people seem to not be a big
fan of him, And I don't know anything about him
big you know, billionaire type, and I don't know. I
(10:19):
don't know anything about him.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Yeah, let me just take this, take this moment to
stay that billionaire shouldn't exist.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Just but you know when you say, hey, here's a
billionaire whose family is rich and they're buying a controlling
steak in a company who produces something that you love.
And then I also look at the licensing and how
the money that comes in from merchandise on Star Trek
(10:48):
is almost almost exclusively merchandise from the original series in
the next generation, right.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Sure, those are just the iconic images imagery. I mean,
those ships are the icons, and unfortunately I feel they
have it. To be an icon, you have to be
out there, you have to be making content for everyone.
Like I think about how Doctor Who has done such
(11:21):
a good job on their relaunch, the new generation of
Doctor Who, you know, where there's a lot of fans
that are new and they really like embrace the fact
that it's still a show for all ages, and that's
what Star Trek used to be. I've been saying this
since we started this podcast. Like I was, I was
upset at how they were sort of bifurcating everything.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
I think I think they need to do.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
More like the the Doctor Who model, make it fun,
make it exciting, but like keep it adult enough that
it's still meaty for the adults.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
You know. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
I just want them to make a Star Trek show
that's kind of undeniable, and I feel like nothing that's
on the table, even Legacy. Honestly, even Legacy I want,
but I don't think it's undeniable. And I think there's
a lot of people out there who would not be
interested to show that's like put cards, like, that's not
bringing new people in. That's something for the fans. It's
red meat for the base. It's not for like a
(12:15):
kid who doesn't know, you know. How do you get
these kids off anime and on the Star Trek?
Speaker 1 (12:19):
You know? Yeah, I think my biggest fear is I
don't think he'll they'll completely shut her Star Trek completely
because it makes too much money as far as merch.
But if you're looking at the merch and you're like,
the thing that sells is original series stuff and next
generation stuff, that, yeah, that might get us legacy. That
(12:41):
might get us legacy. But what I'm afraid of is
it'll be like what it'll also get us is weird
fucking AI resurrecting people from the grave. Yeah, yeah, and
not realizing that like, hey, most of the Star Trek
fans are like, you know, super liberal and don't want
(13:01):
to see just a gross misrepresentation of actors we loved,
you know, Like it's that's that's the kind of thing
that I'm afraid of, And it's.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
The sort of thing that I don't think is I
think it's inevitable to some degree, and I think it
is a thing we're going to see, but I just
want it to be done tastefully, you know, if it's
going to be done, and I think it probably probably
will be it, I'm okay if it's done tastefully. I
mean you watch that Uh we were talking about it
to uh, that that project where they had that one
(13:37):
dh or you know that Spock on the mountain looking
down at the uh Kirk's death place.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
You know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
It basically the beginning of the book, the return or
Ashes of Eden and and uh and we were so
excited by that. And it's just like if you do
stuff like that where you're just like capturing a really
true to life version of that character and then tell
the story with like actors playing the roles, but give
(14:08):
it give it sort of those like moments of moments
of touching on the old characters and of course the
people that are still alive. There's you know, if William
Shatner wanted to come back and do some motion capture
and actually capture his acting and be able to dage
him and put it that would I would have no
problem with that. They what they do with Harrison Ford
(14:28):
for uh Indiana Jones, you know what I mean? This
last Indian Jones view was amazing. It looked perfect and
it was like a fifteen minute long sequence and it
was it was It was really really amazing. So so
these actors that are still alive and still able to
make those decisions for themselves, you know, I can see
I can see really doing that like a Kirk Show
(14:50):
set back then, you know what I mean, with with
William Shatnon actually playing the role like that'd be pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Yeah, I guess I'm just I'm concerned about billionaire politics
changing Star Trek into something that shouldn't be. Oh for sure,
me too. Again, billionaires shouldn't exist. Yeah, And when I
say that, just to be clear, I don't mean the
people shouldn't exist. I mean we should structure our society
in a way that doesn't allow for people to get
(15:16):
this far ahead without supporting the bottom part of our society. Yeah,
that is what I mean. And you know, I'm also
concerned about them replacing people in Star Trek, like writers
and creatives in Star Trek, with people who do not
have those essential beliefs and ideals.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yeah, but I mean I doubt Yeah, that would really
kill it for me if if we had Star Trek.
That was like trying to be like, I don't know
anything about David Ellison.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Is he a right winger? Is that what you're getting at.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
I mean, just a billionaire I kind of assume, But yeah,
there are billionaires who who don't feel that way. I
still think that the idea of a billionaire, I don't know,
who knows, this guy might be like a guy who
may have wonderful in line beliefs or whatever, like who knows.
But like like with the Star Trek ideals, but it's
(16:16):
it's rare, of course, because the incentives are if you're
a billionaire, you want to keep your money and you
don't want to you know, like social programs.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Yeah, I mean, to be fair, you know, he he's
been in charge of he's been in the CEO of
sky Dance for a long time. And sky Dance, you know,
did the J. J. Abrams movies. I haven't read a
whole lot of like anything, you know, politically untoward, I
guess in those movies or anything.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Yeah, me neither and like those movies. So so you say,
you say that, and I'm not gonna say it's untoward.
But I do think those movies kind of just avoid
the big questions. They turned as we talked about any time.
They're kind of Star Trek, but they're kind of Star Wars,
you know, they're just sort of like this simplified good
(17:06):
versus evil, Let's fight some battles. Mostly, I think Beyond
is a little different.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Actually, I would say Star Wars is way more political
than those three Star Trek movies.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
It depends on which Star Trek Star Wars you're talking about,
because I think the prequels are a lot more political.
I don't think the original series, original trilogy is very political.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
I think they are more than people give them credit for.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
But yeah, I mean they're anti fascist, but it's very
it's not like they're actually talking about.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
I'm not a big Star Wars guy, so I don't
know all the like, like I know, I know the
build out and the lore, and I know that George
Lucas originally envisioned it as like the rebels were supposed
to be representing like the Viacong, Like yeah, it was
like an anti Vietnam War movie. So like, absolutely it
was political, and absolutely it was left wing and like
all that stuff, but like it's not not like sitting
(18:00):
there until now like these days is absolutely like if
you watch and Or it is talking about directly about
Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Yeah, like a in a big way.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
The Emperor is you know, the Empire is doing like
you know, nineteen eighty four type stuff, and it's and
it's just absolutely these speeches that are in Mathma Man
Mathma in the one of the last episodes of and
Org gives like a rousing speech about how you know,
democracy dies when the truth dies, and like, yeah, it's
(18:33):
it's great, It's it's really great.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
But the old Star Wars wasn't that. It's definitely like,
you know, anti fascism, but not I don't know that
goes much further than that.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
And here here it is. You know, I don't feel good.
You said we'll keep it at ten minutes, and I'm
the one that made it longer. I don't know if
I've been talking to you, you know, like I get these things,
you know, I see I start worrying about shit like
this because I'm like, I'm I got to cry about
Strange New World's ending. It's a good enough show, but
you know, at the same time, I'm like looking at
(19:05):
where the franchise is heading, and I'm like, what are
we as Star Trek fans going to be getting?
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Yeah, we've been eating good for a few years, and
I do feel like we're about to I mean, I've
already felt the pullback. Like for a while, it was
like it felt like every week for like two years,
we got an episode and then and then it's suddenly
this year. This last two years, maybe it's felt like
we get like four months off, then we get a
(19:32):
show for ten weeks, then we get three months off,
and Yeah, they're trying to space them out more and more,
and I think it's just trying to keep us subscribe
to Paramount Plus while giving us less while spending less.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Money on content.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Yeah, yeah, uh and that's uh, you know, maybe that's
the way to turn a profit, but it's a bummer.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
If I if I were this guy, though, I'll tell
you what I'd do. I'd come in and I'd do
a movie, a big movie with William Shatner, Paul Wesley
and Chris Pond. You multiverse spanning star trek epic hmm,
except none of those guys would be the star. Will
Wheaton would be the star. Oh yeah, Like I said,
(20:13):
go doctor Who with it? H Man.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
The interesting thing talking about the Doctor Who of it all.
The thing that has become more iconic even now than
it was before is the blue Box.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
And they didn't change it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Like it's almost like if you had taken the Enterprise,
you know, the Nobloody a nobody b and like done
the done the thing with it where you just like
keep telling stories in that enterprise, you know what I mean, like,
and somehow kept it going.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Well, you know, the artist changes, it gets scuffed up.
Oh sure, sure, sure, yeah, Like you know, it's still
a blue box. It's still like.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
High It's still like you could have one from the
that you bought in the fifties and one that you
bought now and you could still recognize it. It's it's
the iconography and like you know, obviously one of the
things we like is Star Trek fans I think is
new ships, but like changing our old ships, Like who
was asking for that? Jj Abrams, Like who was asking that?
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Yeah, it is a little weird. It's weird and also
strange new world. It's like, yes, I did it, like
like my enterprise.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
I'm just going for like the guy who did it first.
I mean, like obviously there were always changes always, yeah,
from episode to episode in the original series, but like.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Shot to shot right because we used to three different
models like right right, right right.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
But but the idea that you just we just let's
make the enterprise, but just like completely change it.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
It's like, well why why?
Speaker 2 (21:45):
And now I just I feel like Star Trek is
so split, so many different fans that love different stuff
and different things about Star Trek, and it's just it's
it's the same problem with all media, honestly, but Star
Trek hasn't stay you. It feels like it feels like
it's been very like split apart. There are people that
love Discovery and the stuff they did on that show,
(22:06):
there are people that that's their Star Trek and like
that's and there's people who like love Strange New Worlds
in the direction and the kind of campy let's just care,
not care about Cannon and do whatever we want stuff
that they're doing on Strange New Worlds. And there's people
that like really want to go back to the old
canon and stick with it, and it's just like, uh,
you're You're never gonna please everybody. But like the way
(22:26):
they've splintered things, which I've been preaching this as long
as we've been doing this podcast has made it ten
times worse because there's nothing to rally around. There's not
an icon for the new era, Like I can't I
got nothing I think about, Like what what is an
icon of the new Star Trek era? Like, I got
nothing that I want to put on my wall.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
You know.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Maybe, yeah, obviously I would like a poster here and there,
But like even even the Pocard series was only like
going back to old stuff, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Yes, but if you I think their best chance for
an icon right now is seven of nine.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Yeah, I think she's still I was, you know, So
it's funny you say that, like when I said there's
no icon. My thoughts went to seven of nine and
could be. Yeah, so I'm right there with you. I
think that seven of nine still still looking like seven
of nine a little bit. But having the new you know,
in a in a starfleet uniform whatever whatever whatever version
of the starfleet uniform they go with, if they modernize
(23:25):
the stuff, you know, do some new, up up date
on the Starfleet uniform and and make her and Jack
and everybody else on the ship like that, they could
be the new icons for sure.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Yeah. But these guys, man, these companies have got to
fucking figure out how to make streaming work. Yeah, because
they're killing TV. Like, all of them are cutting off.
Like you saw the HBO Max shit right where like
or the Warner Brothers shit where they announced they were
splitting TV off into its own thing and streaming and
film we're gonna be into its own company. No, they're
(23:58):
basically like and they're putting all of the fucking debt
of Warner Brothers on the shoulders of this TV branch. Okay,
they are killing television. Yeah, that's that's gonna kill television
for sure. NBC is doing a very similar deal and
they haven't figured out how to make streaming work. So
what funds what funds television past now? And the truth is,
(24:22):
the truth about streaming is there's just too much as
a society.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Things make money when they become very popular, and like
when you make a billion things, it's great because there's
this content for everyone. There's very specific things for everyone.
But we make too much. Now no one can keep up.
Even if there's a lot of stuff you want to watch,
(24:49):
you can't watch it all. And I think they're making
too I think too much TV is being produced and
that is why nothing's making money, because everyone's trying to
like put their own thing out there. Every company is
trying to like make their own streaming service. And if
they just sort of slowed down and everyone sort of
pooled their efforts and made like a streaming service work.
And Hulu kind of did this with like multiple companies
(25:11):
coming in and like being like that, we're gonna make
Hulu and it's going to be a streaming service and
we're all in on it and we're all gonna make
content for this. But then it slowly got bought out
by Disney and now Disney just owns that.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
I think we're gonna wind up seeing a lot of
these companies are starting to realize they're gonna make money.
They're making money off of taking stuff off of their
platform and licensing it out to things like Toubi and Pluto.
We're seeing a lot of that now. And you know what,
does Tuby and Pluto do fucking ads? Sure? Everybody and
now and the other platforms are starting to be like,
(25:42):
well we'll start doing ads.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Yeah, or you can pay an extend extra four bucks
for ad free. That's what Erason's doing now.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Yeah. But I think some of these things are going
to go away, and and the networks themselves, the companies
themselves will just license stuff out to Tube and Pluto
and other free services.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
What's interesting, there's a certain services like Amazon Prime and
Apple have an interesting model where you've got you pay
for the service, but then right next to it, you're
selling them stuff. You got Amazon where it's like, all right,
here's all the show here's all the shows you get
for free. Oh, you clicked on one that's ten dollars,
don't you want to watch it? Oh? And like Apple's
(26:20):
the same way. You go on Apple and you're like, oh,
I get this great library of content. Oh there's there's
that movie that was just in theaters. Oh twenty dollars.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Oh, well, time at home.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
I'll watch it for twenty you know, like it's right there.
And I think that's another model that really is working.
And I don't know if it may not be working.
Their streaming service might not be making money, but their
streaming service is an ad for them to sell you
more movies and TV.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Yeah, and I'm not a rich man, but it worked
on us, right. We were on Apple TV or over
the couple months ago. Wanted to watch Crazy Ex Girlfriend,
fantastic show if you haven't seen it, and it was
on Apple that's the only place it was streaming. But
we had to buy it. We bought it. Yeah, we went,
(27:05):
fuck it. This money, I'll go towards making sure that
Shrinking gets another season. My God, which another fantastic show.
I you know, I don't know how Apple does this.
I mean I know kind of how they do. Everything
they have is so overpriced, like they don't even need
to make their TV shows profitable. There's like we're just
(27:25):
gonna make really high end ship that's way.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
And they've said that, they've said that, like their their
streaming service isn't really to make money. It's a it's
a marketing platform for all their stuff.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
And yeah, and I think.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
That's true for their content people buy. But it's also
true that just like the name Apple is being associated
with another prestige thing, so for the rest of like
another prestige television show. And it's just it's amazing and
it's an Apple it's an Apple TV show. And tell my,
I tell people all the time, Apple is pound for pound,
(27:57):
like the best hit rate of anything I've seen. Like,
I have not seen a show on Apple TV. I
was disappointed with.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
I mean, I'll I'll never forgive them for canceling the
Big Door Prize. But I never saw that. Oh it
was so good. It doesn't sound like my kind of
thing is sort of a a game show type thing.
Oh no, no, it was fantastic. You would have loved it.
Oh okay, it was a Chris o Dowd show. Oh oh,
I know what you're talking about. Yeah, where like everyone
(28:25):
is like getting these cards from this machine and it's
like telling them who what their truth is or who
they truly are, and everyone's changing their life in this town,
up ending their entire existence. And then there's like all
this mystery surrounding it, like.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Where it came from. And yeah, and it did it.
It didn't get an ending, No it didn't. That's a
bummer because I did see commercials for that and I
thought it looked like a really interesting show.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Oh it was fantastic. That's a bummer.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Well, man, I really do need to get off of here,
because me too.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
We said we're gonna do ten.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Minutes, and I don't know how long we're at now,
but I know how we are. But I'm I'm you know,
Star Trek will go on. We'll see how it goes on.
And this is this guy who may be buying it
is billionaire? No he is, but yeah, well I'm just saying,
like if he is, and then it goes through and everything,
(29:18):
he's like he's buying their parent company of their parent
company or whatever. Like he's not necessarily even caring about
Star Trek. So who knows, he might like leave it alone.
He might figure out a way to like just pick
the right people to be in it. You know, he
might be smart enough to pick the right people. But yeah,
I don't.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
I don't trust any one man with that much power.
Paramount's too big franchises or Mission Impossible and Star Trek
that's what.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
The guy and Mission Impossible is supposedly over.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
It's not. We know, we all know that. You know,
Tom Cruise is officially on social media like pimping what's
that guy's name? Glenn Powell from Oh to be on
be the News to be the next face of Mission Impossible. Yeah,
the way it ended, they did a really good job
in the in the Final Reckoning of like building up
a few characters around Ethan. They always have, They've always
(30:12):
been good characters, but like they left it off in
a place where like Ethan actually like one of the
things I didn't like about the movie was they did
a lot of stuff where Ethan was by himself and
his team was off doing something else. But it it
did two things.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
It made me feel less like a Mission Ipossible because
a lot of the Mission Possible movies to me are
Ethan talking to you know, Simon Pegg and being like,
why are you doing this to me? You're doing this,
You're messing up. And they did a lot of final
Reckoning where Ethan was off doing something and Simon was
kind of, uh, you know, what's his name?
Speaker 1 (30:45):
In the movie.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Name anyway, Simon Pegg's character is a is mm fuck
my name.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
I haven't seen a Mission Impossible movie since three? Oh man?
That's uh? Is it the J j Abrams one? The first? Yeah?
J j Abrams one with Carrie Russell and.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Uh yeah, Benji Benji is PEG's character's name.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
I just podcast about this movie. I feel very embarrassed.
Philip Seymore Hoffman.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Yeah, oh yeah, that's that's a That's the one that
like sort of revamped the franchise and kind of past
that kept moving on and I think got better and better.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Well, they had to revamp it after that fucking Mission
Impossible too, John Wu And yeah, slow motion doves and
ship the Bike. There's weird bike stuff in there that
like makes no sense. I don't know anything.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Yeah that we covered it on Binger's Assemble, and the
two is such a weird outlier.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Do Grace Scott being the most wooden villain ever.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Yeah, one feels really dated when you rewatch it.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
I loved one and I haven't seen it in years.
I haven't seen it since I love One. Now.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
It's great, but it feels dated and it just feels
like an older movie, and you would love it.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
You love older movies, I love some older movies, and
all of all old I love some older movies. I
think I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
When you like and you like the fact that it's old,
I think is a plus for you and for me.
For me, sometimes it's a little bit of a negative.
I get a lost in the older pacing. Sometimes I
get just a little run down, like come on, move
the story along, like I don't need this long establishing
shot whatever.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
It is just an adjustment for me generally. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
So so I think the first one, it's great, it's amazing.
There's some amazing scenes in there that hold up really
really well. But I think overall it just feels like
it was made in the nineties, you know, yeah, and
it was like it, Sure, it's a good movie, but
it feels like it's made in the nineties. But from
three on feel like very solid and of a piece.
They feel very like like they were making the same franchise.
(32:45):
They figured out what it was with three ethic and
it goes back to the first one. I think they
pull a lot from what the first one was, and
they build out the third one, and then the fourth
one and the fifth one and the sixth one and
the seventh one. I think the eighth one is the last,
the final Reckoning. I think that's right. Yeah, it's a
it's a fun series, it really is. But what my
point was with all of that is then the last one,
(33:06):
they split Ethan off and have him doing all this
crazy stunts for a bunch of the movie, and then
Benji is with the team, and it's kind of like
a new team, Like it's got some of the old
people in it and some like brand new characters, and
they really build those characters up and give them a
lot of poor and I was like, I would watch
I would watch them in a mission Ipossible nine, like
(33:26):
without anyone else, Like they don't need a new Ethan Hunt,
they need like that these six people would be a
great team. And like having Benji, who's always been sort
of the side character who sort of the joke, step
into a leadership role in this one was really cool.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Cool. Yeah, I've I've always wanted to go back and
watch them, I just never have. I like them. I
like them all. They got lost in my shuffle.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Man, I understand. I understand. All right, Well we'll be
back soon, guys. The Emergency ten minute pod. Here you
go like a forty minute pod.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Uh pooch Untrue, livelong, and prosper.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Thank you for listening to the Star Trek Universe Podcast,
a Stranded Panda production. If you'd like to hear more
from David C. Robertson, check out the DC on Screen
podcast or malagus dot tv for his web videos. If
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(34:24):
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