'Strange New Worlds' Season 3 Trailer + News

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
On this episode of Star Trek Universe, we're discussing that
strange New World season three trailer and some very interesting
statements from Tawny Newsome about her hopefully upcoming track series.
We'll get to that right after these words from our
mystery sponsors.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Welcome to Star Trek Universe, the podcast where you get
to listen in on two lifelong friends sit and chat
about Star Trek. My name's Matthew Carroll.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
I'm David c. Robertson. What's up, buddy. I don't know.
I you know, it is very easy to forget about
Star Trek stuff happening because it's like a piece of
news a month.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Yeah, it's it's really seemed to have slowed down now
that Disco ended, and it's it's sort of sort of
in this like you know, holding period and stuff.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
Mm hmm. And uh so I'm sorry, I'm sorry we
haven't done more. I we should have done more episode.
I have done more with episodes with Effie, but I
kind of had some. There were like three big health
scare things happen like right in a row, and those
are sorted now. So hopefully, uh we're good.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, man, I sure hope. So I'm glad, glad, glad
those things are sorted well, so we I guess the
main reason we convene today is the Star Trek Exchange
the World's trailer. Yeah, while we convened, what are your thoughts?

Speaker 1 (01:36):
Oh man, there is something about this trailer. Uh huh
uh the voiceover with Onna, you know, talking about their
jobs while flashing through the crew members like real close
up grinn like goofy motherfuckers right to the camera, and
I feel like I'm watching a Honey Bunches of Votes commercial,
or like a commercial where they're like proud to be

(01:56):
harvesting tomatoes for Papa John's or some shit. Yeah. Like
it feels very manufactured in that way, like they are
trying really hard to sell you on some kind of
ideal that I'm just not feeling for Star Trek in general,

(02:17):
and definitely not for the show. Hm.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
You know, I'm a sucker for the ideals. But yeah,
I think the the trailer, I don't think it's gonna
be reflect on the show. I have loved this show.
There's very few episodes I don't.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
Like, but.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
I think the way the way they market it, it
just feels so like there's tons of this, like attempts
at humor that might feel great in the way that
they fit in the show, but they keep adding like
characters laughing after it and stuff. It makes it feel
like the show is gonna feel that way, And it
doesn't feel like this trailer doesn't feel like the show.

(03:02):
It's and and that, and that annoys me in this,
like I don't know what audience they're trying to grab
with this trailer, but it doesn't feel like a show
I would want to watch. But I know the show
is different and in my opinion, better than the vibe
they're going forward to these trailers, and I there's they're
they're cool shots in the trailer and some of the humor,
like I can see why it would be funny in

(03:23):
the context of the show, but then they just edit
it with this like quick paste. Everything has to have
a weird reaction or laugh. And there are a couple
of lines that bother me, like her saying her leaning
over Una leaning over to the captain and saying is
this a hit it situation? You have complained about this
so much, and it feels so stupid to have to
have complained about it with like every season of Star Trek.

(03:46):
There there are seven season of the next duration. Please
stop pointing out every warp catch phrase. There are seven
seasons of the next duration. He says engage in almost
every episode, if not every episode, not every outside because
there's ones that don't even on the ship, blah blah,
But almost every episode you hear engage. I don't think

(04:07):
anyone ever talks about engage. You build a catchphrase by
using the catchphrase over and over. There are occasions where
something can be pointed out. But every trailer we get
for Star Trek, now not just every show, but every
trailer for every season they are talking about it's like

(04:28):
they're trying to manufacture I'm not trying so hard. They're
trying to manufacture a nostalgia for the show, which, like
the show is in the middle of its run, it
should be excitement for the future, not nostalgia for Hey,
remember how you like it? How he says hit it? Like, no,
we don't we need seven seasons of show to then
be like, oh yeah, when he said hit.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
It, that was great, that was cool. It was this.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
It's a vibe that I learned to live in and
care about and enjoy. But like focusing on the catchphrase
while you're building the catchphrase is not how you build
a catchphrase. And it is really annoying me that every
Star Trek trailer is doing this now.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
Yeah, and it's I can't help but think about like
being on the forums back in the day, back in
the nineties or back in the early aughts, when people
are complaining about you know, Jane Waye's problem is she
doesn't have a catchphrase. You know, Archer's problem is he
doesn't have a catchphrase. Like real fans were saying this

(05:28):
shit and agreeing with these people, Like people were like
coming together over the idea that like Jane Wayne Archer
didn't have catchphrases and that's why they weren't good captains
and shit. And I'm like, these motherfuckers are the people
who are writing Star Trek now, and they've just completely
missed the point of the show.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
Yeah, that has nothing to do with it makes you
love a show, you know, this show needs to be
more cringe. Yes, Yeah, Like I just think about other
shows with catchphrases like you just don't shine a light.
It's it's it's putting a hat on a hat to
light to point a light at the catchphrase. You just

(06:08):
need to It's okay to have a catchphrase. A catchphrase
is not cringe like a thing someone says often that
is like a part of especially when it's like the
thing that you say to go to warp Like that
makes sense that a captain would say that often. Yeah,
and we would have seven seasons of it in next
iteration and feel nostalgia for them saying it.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
Over and over.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
But make forcing it is just And I like I
like hit it. I like it. It fits his character. It
gives in this sort of like wink like. It makes
it feel very like adventurous. I like his catchphrase, but
stop talking about it.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
And and unlike in the two thousand and nine movie,
he's not stealing it from Han Solo. Punch it. That's fine, Yeah,
I I don't get it. Something else that was said
in the trailer. Someone once said spaces this is una.
Someone's once said space is dark and cold. Our job

(07:03):
is to bring light, bring warmth, bring life to wherever
we go. No, the fuck is not. It is to
seek out new life and new civilizations. Yeah, it's not
to bring life's to seek out life. Well, it's I'm
splitting hairs.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
But yeah, they're splitting hairs, but I don't mind that
as part of their mission. It also depends on the
ship you're on. It kind of like some some.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
Some like our job is to scan anomalies and that's
about it.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
Right, Like I don't mind the idea of uh bringing
Like there's a fine line between like bringing warmth and
bringing to the things. That is a classic problem on
Star Trek of like just colonizing people, like you need
to live your life, like we live our lives like
that kind of stuff. You know, that's a question on

(07:56):
Star Trek, not a like mandate. I do think that
the Federation's goals are to like bring togetherness that literally
bring other worlds into the Federation and create create a
larger and more functional society where resources are shared and
like that is beautiful and I do think that's a

(08:18):
big part of the mission of Starfleet. And depending on
the ship, Like if you're visiting worlds within the Federation
and you're helping them with their like problems and stuff,
then yeah, you're you're doing that. But like as the
ship that's going out into the galaxy exploring, your job
is just yes, do the try to do the right thing.

(08:40):
Like have good ethics about it. That's a lot of
what Star Trek's about. But also it's to learn and
like like gain information.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
By the way uh Kurrcan Company brought light and warmth
to by blasting their gods to fuck the other thing.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
You might get out there and find in like information
and like ideas that are better than yours.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
And that's the idea. That's the whole.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
Point of seeking out new life and new civilizations is
you might find something better and then you adapt, you
take in the new information, and it's it's it's that
and that's the question that so many great start tric
episodes ask. And yeah, it's not a great it's not
a great summation of the federation's like goals.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
Yeah. Also, someone didn't say space is dark and cold
fucking science did space is dark and cold? It's not
like you know, it's like it's not like, oh, well
Keith said it in a poem, No, fuck you. I
don't know. I just feel like that's a poorly written line.
I know, I'm being nitpicky here. In the trailer, it

(09:47):
looks like we're gonna be getting a whole lot more
of Ortega's and everybody who listens to the show knows.
I don't care about this character. I don't find them grading.
But instead of giving her any more depth, I'm a
little concerned that it appears they have opted to hire
a whole other actor, Minor Luken, to play her. Quote

(10:08):
baby brother a gross and fantalizing term for all involved.
That baby brother. Ah, that baby brother, your baby but
you're afraid you don't like me to hang out with
your baby brother. It's just like fucking gross, dude, the
way they keep saying it. Anyway, do they say it
more than once? I think twice? Okay, I think twice.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
I mean, but I don't have the hang up you
do about this. I think it's like fine, It's like
a thing people siblings call their younger siblings.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
That's fine. But I am concerned. I am worried that
they are going to be bringing in this baby brother
character to UH as like an object of desire for
her and vice versa. And we get a bunch of
shots of them dancing and laughing and drinking some with
them in danger. It kind of feels lazy to me.

(10:57):
I don't care anything about Otegas. They haven't made like
her at all, she's obnoxious, genuinely too generally, too disrespectful
to those of command. But I feel like they're bringing
in the brother to make her feel some type of
way and to give her like fake depth.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
Yeah, I mean to me, it just I guess. I
guess I didn't over I didn't think it that way.
I just think like, it looks like they're gonna have
an episode where her brother joins the ship and there's
a little bit of love thing with Ahura.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
I mean, well, the way you said it just sounds trite.
Yeah no, I think it's trite. I don't think it's
anything like. Yeah no, I mean I think it's trite.
And this just like, oh, well, we're gonna find out
more about Otagas because here's her brother who or her
is it to No, you've brought in a character and
then immediately shifted focus to a Herrah and you're gonna
have like two scenes of Fretaka being like he's not

(11:46):
paying attention to me. And I don't like this, Well, but.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
That's I don't know, I feel like you're being really
down the idea. I don't know how they're gonna execute it.
It may be crappy, but like it's the way you
show a character's depth. A show of character's character is
you put them in situations that reveal their character. And
so this absolutely could be one of those situations where

(12:09):
your ideals how she thinks about family or it might
not be for her. Maybe more about building Ahura's character
and something she's gonna go through.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
Uh. Yeah, I'm just always a little wary of bringing
in new characters to ruffle the feathers of undeveloped chickens,
you know what I mean. Like, I don't know Delop,
I hear you.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
It's season three, man, Like I don't know.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
I don't know. I guess, like I know.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
You don't like her. I don't have a negative association
with her. Really, there's things she does to annoy me,
but like there's things, there's scenes I like with her.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
She's fine. I'm still very interested to see what happens
because they have hinted at her having a thing against
Spock at some point in the future, huh, or at
least the potential to in that alternate timeline, the alternate
version of Balance of Terror, okay, where she is like
almost completely different and she has like a really neg
thing with Spock and we don't know why, we don't

(13:02):
know what Spot did. Yeah. Interesting, but so far as
like the Chipper, like did you like let me just
talk shit to everybody? I don't care for that so far.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
Yeah, it's so interesting, Like I understand, you know, I
love Firefly and and then it's it's just sort of this.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
I don't think you've ever mentioned that before.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
It's a show where everyone's disrespectful to the captain and
it's almost the point and I love that. But there
is something I find very endearing. I mean it's partially
because this is different that that's a smugglership versus a
ship that is supposed to be like paramilitary, and like
I I I, yeah, there is something that I like

(13:44):
miss about the the you know, structure of may I
speak freely captain? You know, like there's this sort of
like yeah, instead of just saying the the rude thing.
I hear, I hear you on that.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
Yeah. Also it really heavily depends on you know, who
who is the captain. Like if you know, talk a
shit to Pike, I'm like this man like routinely lets
you into his quarters and cooks dinner for you, Like
what the fuck is wrong with him. On the other
hand of his mouth, I'm like, this man is clearly
a horse's ass.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
Well, yeah, but that's I think that I agree with you.
But I think the fact that Pike allows them in
his quarters and allows them into his personal life is
part of the difference between him and other captains. And
some of that like jokiness and like willingness to let
the crew be a little shitty to him. Part of

(14:33):
that is the fact that like they have they like
they have a different relationship. He's a guy that she
goes to dinner with, so she's kind of allowed to
ras him a little bit and hopefully not in too
serious of a situation. But you know, you know, it's
the show trying to find that balance between something like
Star Trek, which is something like TNG or whatever, and
something like Firefly where there's like a lot less reverence

(14:57):
for the crew so that you can have more fun.
And it's true, you can have a lot of fun
in a show where there's no reverence for the captain,
but like in these situations, that reverence for the captain
and and just the chaining command in general like feels
necessary for a lot of the missions. That go on
and the hard choices that have to be made and
stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
Yeah, you know, I think there's there's just something that
I don't like about how Like you know, in the
original series and next generation on through most of you know,
the Star Trek we grew up with, they would like

(15:38):
give like still glances at each other with smirks and
then move on, like there's like a certain amount of respect.
And it feels like on this show. Even on Discovery
they had that to some degree, Like, but on this
show is just like everyone's just like moniacally laughing at
the costle. Like they're just like way more like upfront

(16:00):
about like all of their like there are feelings about things.
I'm like, I don't know, it's just weird. It feels weird.
It feels off, yeah to me. To me, a lot
of the things you're describing are not things that I
think of when I think of the show. They're things
I think of when I think of the way the
show is marketed. Yeah, maybe that's true. Yeah, maybe that's true.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
It's tough when the show hasn't been around for a
year or two, it's been a while, and we see
this marketing pieces and We're like, why is this show
a bunch of schlocky people yelling jokes at each other
instead of cute yeah, instead of a cool exploration show.
And then you watch the episodes and I think they're
a lot better, And I think that's just really what
we're contending with. I'm not saying there aren't characters that are,

(16:43):
you know, stepping over lines that we wouldn't like them
to step over, or we would like a little more
structure or whatever, but I do, uh, I do think
a lot of that is just the marketing and the
way we the way we've been consuming this show for
a while now, because the last season was a while ago.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
Yeah, now moving from one kind of still to another
kind of silly.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
I just don't need more Kirk in the show. Yeah,
but we're getting it. He's just a character now, the
main character.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
Yeah, he's just gonna I guess he's I don't know.
We saw some crazy stuff, like it looked like there
were two different enterprises, like mirroring each other's movements in
this thing and shooting I don't know what's happening.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
Yeah, there's also that shot where it looks like almost
like a library, like spiraling apart to reveal space, which
if there's a it almost seems like some sort of
multiversal thing or some sort of reality bending moment.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
So if there is.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
Some sort of touch with another enterprise, it would make
sense if that's probably the same episode.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
Yeah, they got a shot of Spock mind melding with someone.
We got a shot of the guy playing Roger Corby,
who if anyone remembers what are Little Girls made of?
The episode of the original series, that's the character that
is engaged to Nurse Chapel and then goes into Peers
and then she finds him and he's an android but

(18:05):
very young Roger Corby, and I don't know what he says,
but Spock punches him. Get a little tired of Spock
being so emotional, Gotta say still, still, I'm kind of like,
how often do we need to do this? But okay,
well Spot just Dexham.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
Well we don't know it's emotion at this point, you know,
made deck and for a completely logical reason.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
Yeah, sure, just sometimes you punch people, right, uh. And
then there's the give me five with Patton Oswald bit.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Yeah, which I would not mind that joke about because
you are too slow, Like it's funny. I think it's
a funny vulcan joke, but like the laugh that they
edit in of Pike laughing at that is so terrible
and it's it's just like, I'm sure it's not in
the show. I'm sure that is one of those moments

(18:57):
where you probably have the crew kind of smirk in
the corner and it's probably fine in the show, but
like the way it falls in this trailer makes me
hate the joke itself, and I think that's editing more
than the more than the thing.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
Yeah, soyway, Despite all that, I am looking forward to
the show coming out on July seventeenth. The first two
episodes premiere. Oh man, hegim and A Part two and
Wedding Bill Blues. So we're gonna have two. Yeah that's exciting.

(19:31):
Just a few days after Superman drops, so I'm gonna
be busy.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
Oh yeah yeah we all will man, I know, and
will probably cover Superman over on Multiverse News too.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
Such a big thing. Well, I've got about nine days
for real, Like we got the early prime passes.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
Yeah, that month's in general, that's that, and then Fantastic
four drops that month too.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
Yeah, I'm not gonna see that. I will. I will
be seeing that. I'm only not seen because it's not
it's just because I'm so behind. It's just because of that,
I know.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
And that's so sad to me, because you are such
a Marvel fan.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
Yeah, you're a big Marvel fan.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
And the idea that like they over extended themselves to
the point that they've turned big Marvel fans who've watched
everything marveled their whole lives to not not keeping up
is real sad to me. And I don't think they've
made bad bad TV or bad movies. I mean there's
there's you know, variance in quality for sure here, like

(20:30):
as there always has been, but like they just overdid it.
They just overdid it for a couple of years and
it made people like yourself who were completionists, which a
lot of geeky people are like, feel like, well, I
gotta watch this before that and this and then this
and then this and that's Yeah. I do think Fantastic
four is gonna be an interesting case because it is

(20:51):
occurring in a different universe, so it's gonna start from scratch.
I think the same thing with we just saw Thunderbolts.
While they they're really I think they're really pushing towards
like kind of a revamp, like a good onboarding for people.
Because Thunderbolts, while every character is from another property, you
don't have to know anything going into that movie, and
it's a good like you know, you could just watch

(21:12):
that one thing and get a good bit out of it.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
I don't know that I agree, or I don't know
that I believe you really like they're gonna like do
like a standalone movie, but then there's gonna be like
some section in there, and then plus there's gonna be
some stinger where they're, oh yeah, Richard's looking through a
portal and Captain Marvel is taking a dump and Adam
Warlock's discarded cocon or something like, I don't know, there's

(21:37):
something there's gonna be something that I'm gonna be like
what was that supposed to be?

Speaker 2 (21:40):
Oh yeah, sure, there's going to be some sort of
connection like I will I will spoil something for you,
spoils something very light for you, and that is the
Thunderbolts post credits had a Fantastic four tag in it
that like showed that it looks like those two movies

(22:00):
are going to end up in the same place, which
like feels to me like a cool thing. It feels
like two thousand and eight, you know, like when they
started doing like, uh, you know, the Hulk iron Man
had had a singer for the Avengers, which then Hulk
had a stinger for Iron Man. Like they you know,
they really start to weave them together.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
You've heard that. Kevin Fie, he was like, yeah, I
don't know if that's the same ship.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
Oh yeah, but that's still still a Fantastic Four stinger.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
Yeah, is it the same universe? Is it the same
Fantastic Four? We don't know, and.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
That's that's the fun of it. Or he said he
doesn't know the same ship. It isn't the same ship
from their from their movies, like from the movie that
we've seen. But there's all kinds of speculations about what
that ship might be. Before he ever said that, we were
already like, that's not the same ship, what is it?
And we went real deep on like I think it
has something to do with their universe. I think it
is a Fantastic Four ship, but I don't think it's

(22:52):
necessarily the one that they're going to enter in in.
I have a feeling it's doom, Like I think it's
probably doom coming to I think it's that's like what
it is.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
But yeah, and I'm excited, like I want to watch it.
I've always thought that they did Fantastic Four a lot
like Superman. I'm like, I would love to see Fantastic
Four done in the sixties, and I know that's what
they're doing, yeah, for sure. And I was like, if
there was a way for them to do Fantastic Four
in the sixties, because they're Fantastic Four in the comics
or anywhere else never felt as Fantastic Four as they

(23:23):
did when they were in the sixties when they started out,
And to me, I feel the same way about Superman
in the forties, you know what I mean, Like.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
Totally, I don't think it's technically in the sixties. I
don't know for sure, like they haven't actually said, but
I don't think it's I think it's technically in our timeline,
in our time period. But the uh, it's a different universe,
and the aesthetic is sixties, and the aesthetic is like
super you know, pop art sixties kind of stuff, and

(23:49):
it looks really fun.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
I still like, I'm I'm not like against Marvel. I'm
still like really excited about it. Like I just saw,
like I don't know, I don't know what it was.
It was something. It was like a set picture of
like or set footage of Robert Downey Junior's doom, like
talking to Deadpool on the beach or something.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
I saw some random shot of that. I'm avoiding those
as much I can, ye because I don't I don't I.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
Didn't know if it was official. I don't know what.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
I'm just like, you can't see either. You can't see
either of their faces. They're both covered in so it
could be freaking cause players at least the shot I saw.
So I just avoided I'm just avoiding all that because
I don't want to know. I like, I tell myself
stories that like to make sure I like, oh, it
could be that, but it could be something totally different. Yeah,

(24:36):
that's how that's myself.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
That's the kind of ship that I see that make
me go try to catch back up. Yeah, yeah, that's I.
I get it. Where are you in the MCU? Oh?
I need to I know, like I I need to
go back and watch the last season of Jessica Jones
and the last season of Netflix's Daredevil. Hmm, I've seen

(25:00):
Wolverine and Deadpool, Okay, but I yeah, that didn't really
don't remember the last movie I saw Man.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
So you have you seen Low? You haven't seen any
of Loki.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
I thought you'd saw the first season of Low, Okay, Okay.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
I'm just thinking Jessica Jones in it a long time ago,
so that's yeah, five years.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
I just I don't think you do.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Not need to see the last season Jessic Jones, so
like it is not connecting. It may connect back, but
it's like I believe in season two of Daredevil Born Again,
Jessic Jones is going to be there, but I don't
think the story from season three will matter.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
To I did some skipping. I abandoned the Netflix stuff
when it seemed like they weren't gonna do Netflix stuff.
Uh huh yeah, when they were like, oh well, we
not going okay.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
And now they brought back dared Devil and so like
the the last season of darreedl is definitely cannon like.
There are artifacts from the last moments of season three
of Daredevil in the in the new show.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
So I did see she halt. I would have to
look at a list. I don't know, like I know,
I need I know. I haven't seen Wakanda forever. I
haven't seen Thunderbolts. I haven't seen whatever the new Captain
America thing is.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
Did you watch a WandaVision and Falconer's Soldier?

Speaker 1 (26:12):
Yes, I did watch Hawkeye.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
Oh yeah, you're not that far behind. Then you're like
they took a year. There was a year where the
only thing that came out was Dead Pull and Wolverine.
I think there might have been a couple of cartoons,
but there was like no TV or movies. It was
really sparse for a year.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
I did watch season one of What If? Yeah, yeah,
there there are some movies. Oh god, uh Secret Invasion
I didn't watch.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Oh yeah, well it is one of it's like the
best of times and worst of times. It is amazing
actors and and really amazing well done stuff like throughout
the movies.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
I'm told about the Marvels.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
Well, no, that's not really why the last few months.
The last little like episode of in Secret Invasion is terrible.
I think it is some of the worst decisions they've made.
And then it was so bad and panned that so
it's like five episodes of like really strong, some of
the best stuff, and then like just goes off the

(27:19):
rails in the last episode, as some marvel shows tend
to do, because sometimes they structure it like a movie
they have in the past anyway, and so the last
episode is often like, hey, let's just have a fight
and that's kind of what happens here in a way
that like doesn't make sense for characters, and like it's
it's bad, it's just terrible.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
I hate it.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
Watch it, we'll talk about it. But but then, because
I think they had some little tip like like Easter
eggs in the show that seemed clear that they were
meant to connect to the Marvels, and I think they
people hated the show so much they just took all
that shit out of the Marvels. They were like, the
Marvels doesn't like render it moot necessarily, but it like

(27:59):
they clearly tracted stuff from the Marvels that they people
would have needed to watch Secret Invasion to understand. And
they were like, not enough people like Secret Invasion, let's
just take that out. There's a there's a character that
literally says she's going to a meeting that you see
the meeting in the Marvels and she's just not there.

(28:19):
It's just stuff like that. It's very very strange. Yeah,
I don't, I don't know. I know, I didn't watch
ant Man three. There's a whole bunch. Uh, there's a
whole bunch I haven't seen. Yeah, well ant Man three
was supposed to be very important, but now that Kang
has been written out, like, I don't know that, I
don't know that it'll connect to anything.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
I really don't. Yeah, I don't. Yeah, I don't know.
That doesn't mean that I'm not gonna watch it, Yeah,
because they could still as soon as I skip something,
that's when they always decide we're bringing it back.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
Yeah, well they probably will.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
I hope they will.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
I really hope Kang is able to come back in
some form. Yeah, because you know, you could do he's
a time traveler. You could do a different age Kang.
You could do a different Universes variant that has a
different face. Like, it's easy to bring it's easy to
change that character. The only problem is, and here's another
spoiler for you, but you probably already know it because

(29:18):
you see on the internet slight spoiler for in a way,
it's a post credit sequence that doesn't affect the plot
of at Man three, but one of the post credit
sequences is you see the Council of Kangs. Yeah, and
it's preparing for you know, Kang Dynasty that they were
supposed to be putting out. But so it shows like

(29:38):
hundreds and thousands of Kangs and they're all Jonathan majors.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
Uh huh.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
So it's like, Okay, I guess maybe there was this
second stadium full of other Kangs. Maybe maybe all the
variants are very like they organized by faces or something.
I don't try to explain that one.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
Yeah, I think u the best thing they could have
done was to like do go through the Kang dynasty
and then just like open up on like all the
Kangs are Terrence Howard.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
Yes, absolutely, the thing that one kind of fun thing
about the whole Kang of it all and them dropping it.
They did end Loki season two in a way that,
if you want to interpret it that way, might have
fixed the Kang problem. And so like it's a way
to be like, Okay, well there was a big thing

(30:32):
of Kang's coming, but like maybe Loki fixed it based
on some of the stuff that happens in that show.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
Oh, Lord. Anyway, we should probably talk about Star Trek. Yeah,
I'll try to catch up, do it. I know, I
really want to because there's so much stuff coming.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
Yeah, Fantastic fours gonna be fun.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
Uh yeah. So yeah, we've got other episode titles Shuttleton two,
Can foury Adventure Hour Through the Lens of Time, The
Salt who Ate Its Tail? What is Starfleet? Four and
a half, Vulcans, Terrarium, and New Life and New Civilizations. Well,
they've all also released season three posters, and you like

(31:15):
I said these to you, and you thought maybe like
they actually had some significant significance. Yeah, I would think so.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
And so each of these posters is it's like two
characters together, and then each of them has kind of
a background happening, and yeah, I just assume that these
backgrounds are pulled from the content itself. One of the
backgrounds is it's Pike and Una, and the background has
like a fallen statue and there's like in the relative

(31:42):
like some sort of uh, you know, catastrophe has happened.
It looks like or they're in they're in some sort
of that's the word antiquity, like scene of antiquity that's
like fallen down around them.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
Yeah, they're standing in the rubble of what once was
Star Trek before it went woke.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
No, there's also it looks almost like Pompey situation because
there's also like it looks like almost like lava.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
Streaming around them.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
So I don't know, like the thing is like none
of these I'm seeing in the trailer as evidence for this,
but I just assume if you're gonna release these posters,
they would have something to do with the episodes.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
But I might be wrong. Maybe. I mean, like, you've
got Scotty and Pelia and there's like alien zombies coming
up and grabbing a pad out of their hands.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
There are and crashed shuttle craft, so there may be
an episode if these mean anything, there may be an
episode where those two end up on a crash down
shuttle and they have to deal with some sort of
zombie like virus or something.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
Yeah, I can you even got the im Benga and
line on some sort of city scape m hmm, with
a dead body laying there and looks like a moon
about to crash.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
It, which with the two of them, they had two
of the darkest episodes season, so this could just be
like Hey, these are who these characters are, Like look
at the dead, look at the bodies in their wake.
But like I would think this, I would think these
mean episodes, but I might be wrong.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
And then you got Spack and you got Chapel and
they're just engulfed in pink and I think we know
what that means.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
And there's also heart shaped plants around them. It's very uh,
clearly clearly that it's gonna factor and their love story
is gonna factor in somehow.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
Vagina.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
They're on planet Vagina. Yes, I had never caught it.
We were watching Guardians of Galaxy too the other night
and there's a planet that it visits and it's just
it's it's just the ravagers at a brothel and the
planet is called Contraxia. And I'd never thought about it,

(33:51):
but Ashley thought about the fact that like contracting contraxia,
like the brothel planet contracting diseases, and I was like,
oh man, that's pretty it's pretty funny.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
I said this to my wife the other day. It
makes me mad that brothel is not just a restaurant
where you can buy exclusively soup.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
Because it has broth in it. Yeah, yeah, I hear you.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
Man, Yeah, I got down to the brothel there gonna
get us some you're doing what some soup they said?

Speaker 2 (34:28):
They give you a bread with it. They sell sex
and soup. Don't forget the soup.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
Talk about a yeast infection. They give you a piece
of bread with every order. Gross? All right. Then there's
another shot. Who are an Ortaga?

Speaker 2 (34:47):
And there's like squid monsters or squid aliens.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
I should say, Ortaga, it's not her real brother, her
real brother, this is a squid monster.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
It could be, it absolutely could be, And then shout
of all of them on a very I think this
doesn't seem like an episode poster. This just seems like
them on these fancy and a fancy world. Although those
plant fancy world, Yeah, fancy world.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
Man.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
The plant that's right behind a Hura is a very
similar to the plant that is on the ground next
to Pike's leg, or like.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
It doesn't look like a plant.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
It looks almost like a furnace, but it is very
similarly shaped and colored, So I wonder.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
Yeah huh.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
And there's also lava flows in that one too, So
I wonder if this is a world of visit or
some interpretation of a world the visit.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
Huh yeah, I didn't even notice the lava. I just
feel like they're just like throwing a bunch of psychedelic
imagery together and being like, see, it's like the original series.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
Yeah, I mean everyone comes. They're definitely going for that.
I just I guess I just assume posters with these character,
posters with stuff would have some significant episodes, but maybe not.
We'll look back and say, yeah, I'll look back and
be like, could this be this episode?

Speaker 1 (36:05):
Oh yeah, I probably won't. Uh yeah, we can move
over to Starfleet Academy. They gave this really a track.
Movie was talking to Carris Brooks and Bella Shepherd, who
played cadets on Starfleet Academy. Yeah, and they asked, how
would you describe the show in general? And they said new, exciting, hormonal,

(36:27):
and they both laughed and that makes me sound this
makes me feel like I don't want to watch it.
But they were like, yeah, it definitely throws you for
a few loops. Carris says, I say hormonal because we're
young and we're figuring it out as we are in
real life. Definitely on the show, we're figuring it out.
And then Bella Shepherd says, I would say it's comforting
too because we have a lot of throwbacks and easter
eggs to earlier generations. We know that the Doctor's going

(36:50):
to be on that show mm hmm. And Carise Carrie says,
I would also say it's very championing. I wouldn't say
other shows aren't that way, but I think it's very
championing towards finding a brighter future for everybody. Okay, it's fine. Yeah,

(37:10):
And then they did clarify that it's kind of like
passing a baton, but they're not really done, so it's
more like a handholding. So it's the older generations aren't done.
They're just you know, handholding these new generations. And there
was a whole lot more interview, but it was just gibberish,
so I cut it out, all right, and we have

(37:35):
an update, sort of an update on this Tawny Newsom show.
Some interesting things that she says here a Trek movie
was talking to Towny. Newsom said, you have more recently
talked about how it has evolved her show since it
was announced at SDCC last year. Can you talk about
how it's evolved and why it's evolved? And Tonnie says,
that's a really good question, and I'm going to talk

(37:57):
more slowly so that I don't accidentally blurt out that
will get me in trouble. So what I can say is,
and what is the magic of development, and the magic
of developing something I know so well? Like Star Trek
is supposed to find what works best, and so with Trek,
I know it like the back of my hand. I
also know comedy like the back of my hand. Figuring

(38:18):
out where those two things intersect is like the divine chore,
the incredible fund but also the incredible work of making
sure this show is perfect. That said, the original pitch
of the series has shifted in a way that makes
me very excited because I feel confident that we have
really found the sweet spot of where those two things intersect.
So I'm very excited about it. Trek Movie, said at

(38:40):
SDCCCBS centis a synopsis essentially a workplace comedy on a
vacation planet, not Risa, not in the Federation. So are
those fundamentals still the same? Tony says, those fundamentals are
the same, But what I can tell you is what
we're really working on exploring are the sort of overlooked
sections of what happens when a world in a culture

(39:02):
that is not that was not in the Federation, what
happens when they decide to be so Federation outsiders, and
what's kind of the nitty gritty involved with joining the
Federation and involved with Yeah, I'm really struggling to avoid
spoilers here. They said, can you say what era it
is in? And she said, the era is still shifting,

(39:23):
but my dream of dreams is to keep it in
the twenty fifth century. And they're like, so the Picard
era so anyone who was on that show could pop up,
she says, yeah, anyone who was on Picard could theoretically
be Yeah. My goal is that all of these people,
lovely people, all of our legacy actors, everyone who's currently
on a show. I want people to be able to

(39:46):
show up with their real faces where we don't have
to like, do someone insane to nero in the Irishman
expensive ai to their face. Yeah, but everyone who's currently
on a show that includes strange.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
New worlds is I think she probably means the you know, uh,
everyone that's currently on a show.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
I think she means who.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Is still living, who was on a show I think,
which is not what she said, because she's saying uh
without using AI, which she means the older actors. So
I think she means like the actors from Picard, but
also possibly whoever, yeah Picard, but also anything from the
next generation, anything from if you said it in the
right time period, which is around the Picard time period,

(40:29):
you could have anyone from Deep Space nine, which Tyan
Newsome was in the writer's room on lower decks and
like they had tons of Deep Space nine references. Uh,
we just had all this stuff with seven of nine.
Like I would love to see how cool would it
be if if the world is being entered into the

(40:52):
Federation and the first thing we see is the New
Enterprise with you know, doing that classic handoff that we've
seen before with like the Enterprise showing up on the
first episode of d S nine and the Voyager leaving
DS nine, that sort of thing, Like it's it's a
lot of fun and and I could totally see a
thing where like the crew of uh, you know, Legacy

(41:12):
that we haven't gotten announced yet, which we're still wanting
was was there.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
To like induct them into the thing.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
And we've got tiny Newsome who's like working at a
bar or something. And she's just like, didn't she say
like at some one point working at some sort of
like resort or something.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
Yeah, like it could.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
Be like kind of like love boat for the you know,
like different crew members could come visit their resort and
you kind of like get parts of the stories or whatever.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
Mm hmm. Now they asked her, are you seeing yourself
on the show. She says, yeah, I'm developed. I'm developing
it for myself. And they're like, so is Mariner And
she says that I cannot tell you.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
Oh, I think it's said it's got to be Marriner,
like it's the right time period of everything, like she's
got to be Mariner. Of course, I guess, uh maybe
mayor I wonder, I wonder how old tiny Newsom is,
like as a person that's easily findable.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
Well, they said, how old would she be? And Tawny
laughs that. She says, now you're trying to get it
out of me, how old Mariner is on the show
and how old I am? And I take a fense.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
In real life she's forty two apparently, which like if
you think about I think Mariner was likely twenties in
the show. I would because we know she's Starfleet and
she's a few years older than the lower decks folks,
but the lower decks shooks.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
She appeared to be in her twenties when she was
on DS nine during the Dominion War.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
It's true, that's cartoon, you know.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
Yeah, but she wouldn't be a teenager. No, no, you're right,
you're right.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
So, yeah, she could be in the twenties there, maybe
thirties on the show.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
Anyway. My point is, wait, but by the way, when
we saw her and Boimbler on Strange New Worlds, they
look like they're in their fucking forties.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
Dude, Well that's that's true. That's true. Of course they're
playing themselves so early in that playing you know, the
same character.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
So yeah, they're like the alternate version of Picard and
Tapestry where he never aspired to anything right in like
the microbiology Department, what it was.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
I'm not a big stickler like for especially if people
look on screen like, I don't have a big like
she she she has very like she has great skin
and looks very young, like she could pass for in
her thirties. But she is forty two, and so I
think she could pass for thirties on that strange New
World episode. Let's say it jumps ten years. Then you

(43:31):
do get really close to the Picard era with like
because you know, we know that Riker's still on the
Titan in lower decks, so we do need it if
she's going to be If they're going to try to
set it so that Riker and Picard all them can
show up, they're going to want to set it ten
fifteen years later, which I think they could pull off.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
I really do. Yeah. Uh, she says. Here's what I
will say. I am an actor slash writer. I write
for myself. I write to create roles for myself. That
is what what got me into writing. That is why
I sent Alex Kurtzman's scripts in the first place. Every
script I had written was for me because this business
is so hard, so you have to create opportunities for yourself.

(44:11):
So I write to create roles for me. So that
is the goal for this show should we get to that.
That is the other thing I have to say. I
love how much everyone is interested in asking me about it.
It is not greenlit. I am not dying to talk
about it because I tend to be more cautious but
I love that you guys are asking about it. That's great.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
I don't know if you know, IMDb isn't always perfect.
Has Tatian him is Lani been announced for Academy?

Speaker 1 (44:41):
Uh? Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
I did not know that, and I don't know. I'MDBASYS
one episode, but so does it say that for Paul
Gimadi and Holly Hunter, and I think there's supposed to
be one more. I love tatianas Lannie, love her since
Orphan Black, Like, I just love it. She's so good
and she's such a great actress, just can do so
much and I love her and she too. I think
she's great. Yeah, oh me too, And so that that

(45:05):
excites me. I don't think i'd recall us talking about that,
that she's been announced for Academy. That's awesome.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
Yeah, I thought we talked about that. We probably did.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
It's you know, it's one of those I'm surprised it
didn't stick in my brain because I love her so
much that, like I'm excited for Paulgiamadi and Holly Hunter
and those are stuck in my brain. But Tatiya is
Lani for me is even a bigger get for my
personal love.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
I think I think we may have gotten hung up
on The Doctor coming back. Yeah, also they were I
think they were announced around the same time, gotcha.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
Yeah, yeah, you're probably right. I just man that that
show is getting more and more exciting for me. I
know it's gonna be like this handoff show, and it's
probably gonna focus on the younger actors a lot. But
Holly Hunter, Apologia Mahdi, Robert Boccardo, and Tatiana is Lanie
is just Timuitaro, which I know is she's not your
favorite character from Discovery.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
But like, sometimes I don't like some of the stuff
they gave her to say. Some of the stuff is
just like, okay, can you give her a little more
depth instead of just throwing out wise craft. Yeah. I
like the actress.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
I like tig a lot, and so you know, I
like her as a comedian and a person I think
more than I necessarily have a jet Reno. But like,
I'm pumped to see her more give her.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
I think the first if I was in charge of
Star Trek, the first thing I would do would be
to call Bill Burr, because I want him in both
Star Wars and Star Trek. Yeah. Sure, you can do
whatever you want. You want to be the captain, We'll
make you a captain of a show. Like they clang on,
what the fuck.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
You Doe.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
I supposed to being an Allian said he's pretty great
on Star Wars for sure. Oh yeah, highlight of the franchise,
the entire thing. Yeah, dude, yeah. I saw the headline
that was like Bill Bird delivers the best acting in
Star Wars. I was just like, oh gosh, probably accurate.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
I don't know that that wrote Rogue one and and or.
I feel like it caliber of acting is is pre
elevated there.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
I've heard good things.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
It sound like you werenna say more than this is.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
I don't have anything else. It's good. Oh that's all
the news. Yeah, all right, well sorry, I just forgot
that I was supposed to tell you that. No, no, no,
it's fine. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
I'm excited for the future of Star Trek. I don't
know what it's going to be, and I've really I'm
I don't hate anything that's been put out by Star Trek.
Can't think of a thing I didn't enjoy on you know,
some levels, it's Star Trek. I love Star Trek, but

(48:02):
they've had so much funding the last five years and
put out so much since Picards or since Discovery started,
and then Picard, I guess the last six or seven years.
And I'm just I just worry. I really worry that
it's gonna get now that these deals are happening in
the background of whatever Paramount's doing and CBS and all

(48:22):
this stuff. I just worry that we're gonna get less
Star Trek, which maybe that'll mean more quality. Maybe if
they really like focus up and make a prestige television
version of Star Trek, that's really great. But I like
Star Trek at I don't know. Something that we talked
a lot about with Picard and with Discovery is when

(48:43):
you do ten episodes a year, you're a hit rate. Well,
actually we talked about this a lot of Discovery and
it covering these shows and talking so much about television
always helps me like sort of understand television better, you know,
like understand what I enjoy about it at least. And
one of the things I realized on Discovery is they
always had an overarching plot that took over. The show

(49:05):
is always about the overarching plot, which I enjoy. I
love an overarching plot that's always you know, with DS nine,
just the little bit of overarching stuff that was going
on with the Dominion War. Every episode was self contained,
but the overarching plot. What we kind of learned I
think watching Disco I did anyway, is that when you
have an overarching plot, that everything is hanging on like that,

(49:27):
Like the entire show is hanging on this one idea
and it's all one big mystery. Especially when it's a mystery,
whatever that solution is better be great. Whatever, the answer
to the mystery is better be amazing, because the rest
of the season has to rest on that idea. And
so you know, I think about like DS nine and

(49:47):
those big moments like gold Docot taking over DS nine,
It's like that is an end to a season. It's like,
oh yeah, like that feels that resolution feels great, and
then a whole season of them like rebelling, and then
the next season is the Federation taking back DS nine,
and like it those are those those Each each episode
has its individual story, which I think Discovery struggled with.

(50:10):
They tried, but a lot of times it just felt
like a part of the piece. It's like, how can
we divide this puzzle that the ancients left us into
into ten pieces, you know. It's it's it's it's like
it's like that instead of feeling like a momentum toward
the mystery, you know.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
And then.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
I just my point, my point I was trying to
make is that when you have that story, you have
to hang your your hat on that that story ending
really well and doing a really good job wrapping the
season up. And Discovery struggled with that, I think, And then, uh,
Strange New Worlds has given me what I was looking

(50:49):
for because when you get to ten episodes and they're
all different stories, it feels like it's ten bites of
the apple. It's ten chances to get it, you know,
to get a great episode out of them. When you
do what Disco did, you have one chance to end
it right. And I think it really is a little

(51:10):
it's a bit of a I think it's been a
bit it was a bit of a struggle for that show.
And I'm hoping that Strange New Worlds can like really
figure out that balance better.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
Yeah. I like Strange New Worlds. I don't, you know, uh,
misrepresent myself. But it's it's a little bit like I'm craving,
you know, a red velvet cheesecake. Hmm. I still like
the Oreo, the Oreo pops, the Oreo cake balls. Those

(51:39):
are good too. Strange New Worlds is Oreo cake balls.
It's not what I'm craving, but there's still it's still
delicious interesting. Man. I wish we could get back to
that red velvet cheesecake. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
I think the last thing that's felt mostly Star Trek
to me was to Picard season three.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
Neither of the other seasons. Yeah. I really like.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
Uh season one a lot. I like season two less,
but season three started to feel like Star Trek again. Yeah,
and it got back to the same kind of just
like the intrigue and the politics and the the vendettas
of that that that that the changeling that wants to
you know, like has a vendetta against them and stuff

(52:25):
like that kind of shit is is is That's the
core of Star Trek for me, That sort of you
seek out new life, new civilizations, and then you butt
up against people that do not want your you in
their life and you and you've ruined them and like
you've hurt them in some way, and then that causes
these struggles. It's the it's the history of the human

(52:47):
race as we've developed and touched each other in different ways,
and like, I just I want more of that. It's
like it's all about like how to deal with those
struggles without losing yourself, and then how to come together
once you the struggles are over, and how to rebuild
society as one bigger world. You know.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
That might be that might be one of my issues
with Strange New Worlds is it feels like the characters
are in a goofy romp and they know it. Yeah,
whereas in the original series they were in a goofy
romp and they played it straight as fuck.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
Yes, absolutely, absolutely, that's one of the issues. It's it's
like they have it's just a little absolutely. I think
that is an issue with all media right now.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
Is all media? What did you do? Dan Harmon is in.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
The light, in the light of itself and has its
tongue in its cheek, And yeah, Dan Harmon is is
partially to blame. And you need that, you need the
Dan Harmon's of the world, but you don't need it
goes back to we started this episode talking about the catchphrase.
You don't need to talk about the catchphrase. You just
build the catch phrase, and then it becomes a beloved

(54:02):
thing instead of a thing that has to be so
clever weak to weak.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
It has to be you.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
Know, you don't have to always be It's you mentioned
they're in a romp and they know it. They also
know when they're in a serious situation, and it's almost
like the show changes, like they're either like, Okay, this
is a serious mission and then like, okay, this is
a mission. The danger is always there like that, even

(54:28):
the silly missions, there's always some danger. Someone's gonna die
or someone's brain's gonna explode or some some weird sci
fi problem. But it's like they know the level of
silliness this episode is, this mission is supposed to have,
and they calibrate accordingly instead of like you know, having
serious moments and silly moments and getting serious when it's

(54:50):
time to get serious. And yeah, I think that's a
really good point.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
I just think about like when they'd have crazy problems
on the holidayck and it's like, oh we got to
fight you know, a western town or some weird thing.
It was funny. And it's a romp because you get
to see data in chaps or whatever. I'm just making
up a thing, but like, I don't know that that

(55:16):
ever happened. It may have, but like you get to
see data in Chaps and you get to see him
pull a gun faster than anyone else and do the
little spinny things because he's he's a robot, but you
don't he the danger is real. So they're serious about it,
you know.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
Yeah, Yeah, that's a that's an interesting point there, like that,
because that's definitely something that they've done with Spock. They've
basically done like the the TV trope of here's a
little kid talking like an adult, except they have like
swapped it where it's like, here's an extremely intelligent, very

(55:57):
logical character who was going to talk like a little kid,
and like we keep playing that that card over and
over again, like, oh no, we're gonna see Spot do
something silly. Yeah, And I'm like the humor of Spock
is that he does think he's above everyone. Yeah, like

(56:17):
he's Pampas, he's a little pampas.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
Yeah for sure, Like he's supposed to be uh and
he's supposed to be serious about it and the rest
of the characters are supposed to look at him and
go like this guy.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
Yeah, like what a cock, you know, look at this
vulcan ritual bullshit.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
Like but but then eventually you realize that he's got
a he's got a heart of gold even though he's
a And I mean, it's it's very similar to Data.
I mean, obviously Data is the next durations Spock, and like, yeah, he.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
They're the inverse. Though, is constantly trying to get away
from his humanity and Data is constantly trying to discover it.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
Yeah, yeah, for sure, but it's still that same. I'm
talking about how the character develops, not there necessarily their arcs,
but yes, right, And I just I feel like they
don't they don't know that on certainety worlds. And I
think it's okay. If it's just a different shows with
different characters, that's okay. But they have you know, they've

(57:16):
chosen the same characters, so whatever. I don't know, it's
a thing. It's a struggle.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
I still believe. And you know, I think we will
get to a point in the next ten years where
all of this shit is not even cannon anymore. Yeah,
I think everything from Discovery on is gonna be like flipped.
They're gonna pick and choose very very specifically the one
that they want to keep. Someone is gonna either Paramount's

(57:43):
gotta sell Star Trek or they're gonna like hire somebody
else to take over for Curseman, and they're gonna be like,
whatever we were doing is not working like we want
it to. We're gonna like and then someone is gonna
be like, we have a love for the old stuff,
where we want to actually like reset it back to that,
and whether they keep this in a separate universe or

(58:06):
rewrite it. I think that's what will happen.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
I think that's what two thousand and nine was about.
It just that didn't really work either.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
No. I mean like they're gonna like reset it to like, oh,
the original series is exact canon, strange new worlds didn't
happen in that universe, et cetera, et cetera, like I think,
and they'll probably just say this is you know, all
this all the CBS All Access Paramount plus stuff was
you know, uh, Pocket Universe or some shit. Yeah. I
think they will try to reset the prime timeline to

(58:36):
a point of we're going back to the old stuff.
By old stuff, what do you mean like the original
series basically the original series, like the Next Generation DS
nine Voyager like the stuff as it was before Discovery,
because now, you know, Strange New Worlds has made it
clear that this is a separate that this is at
least a rewritten universe, if not a separate.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
If I were the writers of Star Trek, if I
were producing this show.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
I would make Disco and spin off.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
Strangy Worlds a separate thing. It's the Burnham verse, you know,
like Burnham being his sister change Spock. It changed the
history of the entire thing and the thing that does Like,
I don't hate Disco, but I really hate that they

(59:28):
set a benchmark for what the thirtieth first century is
going to look like. I think that is a problem
for legacy or whatever show comes in the middle, you know,
like whatever show they want to make, this tawny Newsom show,
anything else. To me, the fun of Star Trek is
moving forward, and I think the way they did in

(59:50):
the nineties and two thousands was the way to do it,
which is like hand off show to show, make whatever
show you want, set it in the same time, Peero,
and let there be a present in Star Trek, because
right now, with the thirty first century stuff, there is
no present in Star Trek and if you jump to
the three for a century, it's so distant from our

(01:00:11):
time now, like the twentieth century, that like nothing makes sense.
So if I were if I were them, I would
probably make Disco Strange New Worlds and probably Academy in
a separate timeline yea, and that'd be the Burnham timeline,
I guess, and then bring back Legacy or something like

(01:00:31):
it to continue the story that Picard left off Longe
because I don't think Picard necessarily needs to be written off.
I think Picard is a continuation of the next generation,
and it gave it a nice send off with them
on the Enterprise d and everything.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
I think that's very cool.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
It's kind of the Season three feels like the last
movie we never got.

Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
You know, they did have Picard in season two walking
into Starfleet headquarters and that they had the Strange New
World's Enterprise. Sure M sure like there was like little
things like that. But it's also been confusing to me
because and I know people get mad when I start
talking about timelines and ship but at the same time,
I'm like, you know, what, fuck you get what I

(01:01:13):
love about sci fi? Like this is what I like
talking like this is the stuff we we do.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
I mean, I hear people. I don't know who gets mad.
I guess I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
This is what we people are just like God, you
still talk about cannon fuck? Oh sure some people. But
that's what this show. We talk about it all the time.
It's like a thing.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
If you're still listen to this show and you don't
like that kind of talk, it's may not be the
show for you.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
But yeah, I mean I think a lot of people
looking at the numbers have decided it's not the show
for them. Yeah that's true. But you know what, like
what I've said before, and I still stand by this,
Like Prodigy very much leaned into original series shit, Like
they stuck with the aesthetic of the original series. They had.

(01:01:55):
They brought in like archive stuff from archive voice acting
from the original series. They had Ethan Peck right there,
but they chose to go with like old little Nimoy.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
Voice of course, you know, the lower decks stuck with
original series aesthetic in there.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
Whenever they would call back to U t O S. Yeah,
the really the only they did do a crossover with
Strange New Worlds. Nothing that said. Nothing says that they
couldn't be an alternate universe that they stepped into. But

(01:02:41):
like they are very like I feel like they're just
very inconsistent with what they are considering Cannon. Yeah, because
if you're going by not even like, oh we didn't
know the spot kind of sister fuck that, who cares?

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
Oh sure, I don't mean they didn't have as I
just think it's a convene. My point was if I
was writing, it's a convenient way of rewriting it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
Like a lot of people are just like that's the point, Like, no,
the point is like everything that's how afterward we're like
strange New Worlds is completely up into the original series
in terms of Cannon, Like I've been rewatching it closely,
Like none of these people knew this Spock had had
a wife or a fiance or whatever. And in a

(01:03:30):
monk time a hero was shocked, theirs chapel was shocked. Justay,
you know, like everybody was like, what the fuck is this?

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
Yeah, because has the mind wipe in season four that's
coming up.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
Yeah, there's just like there are too many things that
just like clash and I'm glad they finally acknowledged it
in some way in strange new worlds and that tomorrow
and tomorrow and tomorrow. Yeah, like all the ship you know,
the Temporal Wars has changed everything. Yeah, but you know
that's that I wouldn't mind having like a show where

(01:04:04):
like Wesley Concert pops up and goes like, yoh yeah,
we've got like we we preserve timelines that are you know,
once the Temporal Wars we were able to, you know,
preserve some things or something. You know, Yeah, you know,
here's here's here's Shattner on this cardboard set like you know,

(01:04:27):
I don't know, yeah fun, oh right that I was
just saying that I think that with all the tumult
with Paramount, we're gonna have somebody come in at some
point in the next ten years and try to erase things.
That's my feeling.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
Yeah, yeah, I think I think you're likely right. I
don't know if they'll even need to erase things. It's
just gonna be a thing that constantly like picks at
us for the rest of our lives. When they don't
acknowledge the thirty first centuries stuff. It's just annoying because
it's gonna be like they're not going to acknowledge the
changes that the benchmarks at that set forward and like

(01:05:07):
the fall of the Federation and all that stuff, and
they're gonna jump forward a little bit and we'll get
new stories and it'll be not acknowledging things that happened,
and because they shouldn't, Like I think, I think it
is a terrible decision that Disco made to jump jump
into the future because it forever makes everything a prequel
that will ever be made. And it's just like, ah, why, Yeah,

(01:05:29):
it's just annoying to me, like.

Speaker 1 (01:05:31):
It is the prequel that made everything else a.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
Prequel exactly exactly. It's a prequel. It like Bookmark Star Trek, now,
I mean except for Enterprise. It's where you have like
the it's the beginning and the end of Star Trek.
And it's like, yeah, just like if they ever want
to mess with the like the ancients again or whatever,
I'm forgetting what they call them, even it's not the

(01:05:55):
not preservers architects.

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
God, what was it? What do they call him? God?
I've burned the preservers so deeply into my eyes.

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
I know, a book series mess you up like that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
Well, Spock mentioned them in that episode of Original series too. Yeah,
the Progenitors.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
That's it, the progenitors, thank you? So yeah, the progenitors whatever, like,
like it'd be cool to explore that mystery more, but
like did Disco just completely explore it fully? Like and
now we never get to go back and play with
that in the timeline without worrying about stepping on the
toes of Disco that they did a different thing. It's

(01:06:39):
just it's just the thing, man, it's I think it's
they did a lot with Disco, and I think, like
I said, I enjoy the show, but it just I
really hate that it's set a benchmark for what this
future of Star Trek looks like, because I think Star
Trek should always be future facing and we've had nothing
that's been future facing for a really long time except
for Disco, which is so future facing, Like it's it's

(01:07:03):
so future facing from the current timeline that it's not
there's no connection, and then it's so future facing that
it like makes everything a prequel. It just is a
weird a weird, a weird choice.

Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
Yeah, of course. Uh. An old friend of mine, I
won't say his name, I don't. I guess he's not
online anymore, so he might not want that out there.
But he once told me because he was a big
Star Trek fan, and he once told me, you know,
the thing you have to consider with these long form

(01:07:38):
franchises is whatever show you're currently having an issue with,
give it ten years, and then you'll have a problem
with whatever new thing is on, and then you can
go back and watch the other thing that you used
to have a problem with and go, oh, that was
pretty fucking good. I hear that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
I don't think I'm that way though I'm not.

Speaker 1 (01:07:58):
I'm not that kind of fa.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
I tend to enjoy whatever's on now, and I like,
I don't like the missteps that I feel are missteps,
but it doesn't like make me hate the shows like
I really, I don't think I've ever watched a friend.
I'm trying to think of a franchise that I've like
that I really love that I've watched an instance of
it and just been like, that's terrible. I mean that
that we mentioned it earlier. But the one that I
can think of, a Secret Invasion. Of all of the

(01:08:24):
Marvel shows, Secret Invasion is like some of the most
high caliber stuff, and then it just ends so poorly
in my opinion, that it it it like it made
me hate the show. It's it's probably the one example
that I can think of, but even that, like, I
didn't hate it while I was watching it, it was
just it was over.

Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
I was like, why did you do that? Why? Yeah?
I uh yeah, I think I'm I'm more in line
with your kind of fan because I'd never really like
somewhat like I because I could go back and look
at Voyager and you like, oh, this is better than
I remember. And it is fun from time to time

(01:09:02):
to like just throw on Pluto because they'll have a
random episode on or something. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
Oh yeah, Voyager's a fun rewatch.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
Yeah, but uh it's still not great. I'm still sitting
there going like, no, I still have the same basic opinion.
Yeah yeah, yeah, me too. Yeah, And I'm still like
any any episode of Star Trek generally, I'm sitting there
going like y hit miss miss oh miss oh yeah
that's good. That's good.

Speaker 2 (01:09:26):
Yeah yeah yeah, that's that's the way a season of
Star Tric used to work. And I think that like
that was the days of twenty episode seasons and less connectivity,
and so again we got those mini bites at the
Apple turned into like man, there's like six great episodes
this season. That's a pretty good season.

Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
Yeah, and you know, I know you've somewhat implied that
I'm kind of a TOS apologist, but like no, I,
me and Efie going through it, we're we're giving it shit, dude.
We're mean even from like the sixties standpoint, Like, no,
that wasn't okay in the sixties.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
I don't know that I call you an apologist. Uh,
I don't know. I don't know what you're referencing. But
I I think you just you love you love TOS.
I mean, it's it's a thing you love.

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
I do. I do love TOS. But yeah, like I
think we had some big clash about whether or not
Kirk was sexist in Space C because he was like
he told mcgivers to be like, you know, like, no,
it would be better if you just tell me the truth,

(01:10:35):
because she was like totally like all about con you know,
I didn't didn't want to be like like no, no,
I couldn't. No, I'm loyal, Like, no, I just tell
me the truth, you know, Like there was some kind
of bit you were like, h he shouldn't have talked
to her like that might but you know, but I
was saying, like Kirk talks like that to like everybody,
like all the crewmen, like, oh yeah, especially earlier, like

(01:10:59):
later on not so much, but in the early episodes
he's much more like military leader. Yeah and uh yeah,
Like I think I was arguing, like, oh no, he
wasn't just being a sexist. He talks to everybody like that,
Like he is sexist plenty of times.

Speaker 3 (01:11:14):
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, it's it's you know, it can sure,
it's very possible, but I I, yeah, there's a lot
of there's just a lot of you know, a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
Of sexist shit in there.

Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
Oh definitely, but but I yeah, that's half the fun. Yeah,
it's just like, oh my god, what they're going, like,
I can't believe they did that? Shit the fuck? Yeah
it is. It is interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
I mean it's interesting to look back at shows that
came out ten years ago and be like.

Speaker 1 (01:11:45):
Oh they said that, Oh yeah, yeah, it's amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
You know, culture changes and moves and uh and you know,
we just understand different types of people differently, and and
I think it's great. That's that. That is the Star
Trek universe, Like that is like, yeah, we move forward,
we learn about different types of life, and I think
that is how we are supposed to function as humans,

(01:12:09):
and we you know, and different types of people with
different lifestyles even here on Earth, and we learn about them,
learn to understand them, stop making them enemies, and adapt
them into our society. And we adapt as a society
to to make every functional for everyone. And that's that's
that's why, you know, I abhor the politics of the right,

(01:12:32):
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
And look look so like several years ago or a
few years ago, I was on another Star Trek podcast
and I had brought up like, instead of ret conning
the past and redoing the timeline, I always thought it
would be interesting to do like a mini series or
a series that would directly address why women are ship

(01:12:55):
on so heartily in the original series, like you have
you know, Pike being like I can't get used to
a woman on the bridge and like you know, turn
about intruder, like women aren't allowed to be captains of
the ship. And I'm like, I want to see this
show that explains like what happened that between you know,
Enterprise and the original series that suddenly women were this

(01:13:19):
untrusted entity. This like I went back to nineteen fifties
trad wive shit and that everyone on that show. We're like,
oh no, no, that's a terrible idea. Why would you
do that? Like, we can't do that. And I'm like
they're like, there's no way to explain it, and I
was like, no, you could find a way to explain it.
And and now here we are in our timeline. Yeah right, yeah,

(01:13:43):
like tradwives are trending on reels and YouTube. Yeah, a
little step backwards.

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
That makes it all feel a little little Oh maybe
that is possible for that star Trek should have done
a slippery slope story, yeah, which I think you know
there they tried with Picard a little bit. Not not
on sexism, but just like you know, the xenophobia, going
back to enterprise days with the xenophobia, you know, mm hmm.
All right, Well, it's been fun chatting with you, Dave.

(01:14:13):
I'm sure we'll be back here soon July, because when
we've got strange new worlds, I'm sure we'll get some
some content to discuss between now and then, and uh yeah,
looking forward to.

Speaker 1 (01:14:24):
It, brother, Yeah man, yeah, And uh, I've got another
I've got another f ETOs review in the can. Nice.

Speaker 2 (01:14:32):
I just released one a few days ago. And are
you guys on DC on screen? Are you guys getting
ready to you gotta cover Superman?

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
We've been talking about Superman. Uh, we've been talking about
the trailers and stuff we're doing, like one week news
and then another week we're covering and we're talking about
an old Superman movie. Nice. So we uh, we did
Superman the movie, the theatrical version, cause they're like four
fucking versions of that movie. We talked about the theatrical

(01:15:00):
because it is the shortest and the one that I
could convince Jason to do. And tomorrow we're recording our
review of Superman two. And but in between we've been
talking about trailers and promos and we are really really
excited about guns Superman. Me too. We think it looks great.

(01:15:21):
I think it looks great.

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
I've been I just rewatched Guardians of Gaxy two for
mc UCS. We're doing our rewatch of the Infinity Saga.
Whenever there's not a show on, we can try to
go back and rewatching the Infinity Saga.

Speaker 1 (01:15:32):
Simple times, this simple time.

Speaker 2 (01:15:33):
I mean, really, like you think about it now, where
we've got like four movies and three movies, four TV
shows and three movies a year, and it's like, oh man,
this was literally the only thing that came out this year. Well,
we did have the I say that what we did have,
the Jessica Jones the Netflix stuff came out around that

(01:15:54):
same time, which is interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:15:57):
Because it was a bin show.

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
It doesn't feel it didn't make the calendar feel full
because a bin show had come out, we cover it
for two weeks and it was over, Whereas now it's
like every week there's something coming out, and it just
feels like the ball is always rolling, which I love,
I love, and I understand why some people like it
pushes some people away. But was oh yeah, I'm I'm excited.

(01:16:19):
Believe me, I'm right there with you on Superman. I'm
so excited. I love James Gunn. I think he's amazing
and I am pumped, pumped, pumped for that that movie.
My only fear and concern is like, I think I've
not yet seen James seen James Gunn do something that

(01:16:40):
wasn't a very similar tone, which I will say I have.
I've not seen Brightburn, right, so there's a couple that
I've missed and but like his he didn't he didn't
direct that one though, Oh he didn't. Okay, no, well
hed his Guardians, Suicide Squad, Creature, command Creature, Commando's peacemaker.

(01:17:03):
All four of those things are.

Speaker 1 (01:17:06):
It's suicide Squad. Did I say?

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
I think I said, I'm sorry. Yeah, all four of
those things are this sort of very specific humor type
and a very specific found family plot line, and like
that may be in mixed into this Superman story, but
like it feels like that's all James Gunn knows how

(01:17:28):
to do a little bit. And I'm I'm worried that
because I don't really want that style of humor to
be the Superman movie. I like a lot of his humor,
but some of it is almost it's a little overwrought,
like it's it's it's too kind of We talked about
the humor and the light of itself on uh on
the on Strangely worlds like sometimes James Gunn's humor, and

(01:17:53):
we were talking about this Guardians of the Galaxy Volume two, Like,
I think the humor works for the most part in
that movie.

Speaker 1 (01:17:58):
A lot of people hate it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:59):
They think it's too much humor. I don't think it's
too much. I think it's just certain jokes that are
like it's almost like he keeps doubling down on the
joke to the point where it's like, this doesn't feel
like a person would say this, So you kind of
lose the suspension of disbelief because the humor is so specific.
And I'm hoping that what he's doing with Superman will
be a new A lot of what he does in

(01:18:21):
those movies is sincere and wonderful, and I need that
for my Superman. But I'm worried the humor will be
too much or something, or like it'll override I'm I
think I'm a little tired of jams Agun's humor is
what I'm really getting at.

Speaker 1 (01:18:34):
I think like there has like he's done a bunch
of screen tests, like a but he's done a lot
of screenings. Yeah, and there are a lot of like
the like the real Snyder bro people who are like, oh,
Warner Brothers is making him cut it down. They're making
them cut out the humor because it sucks. And I
he Warner Brothers can't make him do anything. DC Studios

(01:18:55):
is a separate entity and he is in charge of it.
I think he is cutting humor yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:01):
I think as much as I like humor, obviously like
humor's good, I think that there are some lines in
Gardens of Galaxy too that I think should have been cut,
Like the movie would move faster and feel a little
less Overwrot if there were a few key lines that
just need to just not be there. They just just
just a joke that like lasts too long. There's a
joke where I don't know if you remember it, but

(01:19:23):
uh there. It's the big moment of the movie where
they're about to blow up the uh Ego's planet and
they send they're about to send Groot and they're like,
I need a piece of tape. And then he sends
a rocket out to look for a piece of tape
and he's gone, no Quill Quill's looking for pieces, and
you hear him, Hey, Drax, do you have any tape?

(01:19:44):
He flies over and he's like, hey, Gamora, do you
have any tape? And they argue about the tape, and
they talk about the tape for like, you know, a minute,
and I get it, Like, I understand why that's funny
in itself, but it's not a funny if on a rewatch,
you know what I mean? Like it's like certain humor.
It's very family guy humor of like thing, we're we're

(01:20:04):
making a joke and we're just gonna sit on that
joke and sit on that joke and sit on that joke.

Speaker 1 (01:20:09):
I could see that. But what I liked about that
specific humor is, you know, I've worked in a lot
of kitchens over the years. I used to do a
lot of food service, and in the middle of all
this chaos, you would always have someone who was doing
some seemingly menial thing in the middle of like mm hmm,
like we are trying to get this shit done right,
We've got this huge order. People are out there cussing

(01:20:30):
us out, like everything is going nuts. Phones are ringing
off the hook, and you're over here looking for you know,
this spice or something. Yeah, but there's always like that
grunt who's running around looking for this thing and being like, Hey,
where's this, Hey, where's this where? And you're I That's
why why I liked it. Yeah, I hear you.

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
There's other moments in the in the movie that have
a similar joke that I love, one of them being
the very beginning of the movie when Groot dances to
mister Bluesky for like a full two minutes while the
battle that's going on is in the background. I love
that joke so much. It's it's the joke from the
Zeppo from Buffy. It's the same joke, and I love

(01:21:12):
that joke. I think it's really funny, and like it's
funny in a deep soul way that they're willing to
like focus on this while this crazy thing is going on.

Speaker 1 (01:21:20):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:20):
But for whatever reason, there's just some lines in the
movie that I just feel like, oh, this is not fun,
Like so something about like rewatchability of his humor, like
some of it hits great and some of it doesn't.
And I you know, either way, like I liked Guardian's
Volume two when I first first saw it, like I

(01:21:43):
loved it, it's more like rewatchability that I had a
problem with the humor. So maybe, you know, hopefully my
first experience with Superman will be similar and I'll just
absolutely love it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:51):
I just don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:21:52):
I wonder how much humor he's gonna how much of
his particular brand of humor will be there, and I'm
hoping some because I love his humor. At times, I'll.

Speaker 1 (01:22:02):
Say this, I I'm concerned because I know he's a
huge fan of the Donner film, the first Donner film,
and I don't particularly like I have things that I
like about that humor, but I don't I like guns
humor more than that. It was true, it's it's a
different time, though it is. I'm just hoping James Gun

(01:22:26):
isn't gonna pull a Brian Singer and do that again.

Speaker 2 (01:22:29):
Sure, I don't think I have that. I mean, just
on the trailer alone. I don't think it's gonna he's
gonna pull a Brian Singer. It's not gonna be that similar.

Speaker 1 (01:22:36):
I also think that one so much rides on Superman
and two he's he cares about it so much. Yeah,
he keeps, you know, testing it and seeing like, okay,
well people didn't like this joke. Maybe I should take
this out. Maybe I can make this tighter. He's it's
locked now though.

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
Oh yeah, I'm glad he's put so much into it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:56):
I really am. That's awesome. So yeah, fingers crossed. Yeah,
and I know he can do sincerity. He made me
cry on Creature Commandos. He made me like weep like
an idiot on Volume three.

Speaker 2 (01:23:11):
Uh yeah, I weep like an idiot on Volume two. Man,
it gets me every time The Ravager Funeral. Didn't see
Oh God episode two Mary Poppins, y'all. Yeah, the The
Ravager Funeral is just and it's playing that Cat Stephens song.

Speaker 1 (01:23:30):
I've mentioned this.

Speaker 2 (01:23:31):
This is probably like the fifth podcast I've mentioned my
like weeping session that I had this week.

Speaker 1 (01:23:35):
I watched the movie twice. We will watch.

Speaker 2 (01:23:37):
I watched it for the podcast and then I liked
it so much on a watch, I was like, I gotta,
I gotta show this to Page and like she she
hasn't seen much of Marvel, but she has seen Guardians.
I showed her that last year and so finally I
was like, you're watching Guardians two with me? So it
was such a good, such a good flick.

Speaker 1 (01:23:55):
Yeah. So I think he's gonna for me. He's gonna
nail it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:00):
But yeah, even with my quibbles, Like I said, I
loved Volume two on the first watch, Like I think
I will love Superman regardless. I just that is My
only concern with it is is the gun guns very
specific and like him running a studio, I like, I
just hope he's able to like look beyond his own

(01:24:21):
vibe and his own personal proclivities as a director and
a writer, and realize he's building something bigger and really
like bring enough people into the room and trust other
people to like help build out the universe in a way.
I'm really excited for Lanterns too. Mm hmmm, that's sounding
really cool.

Speaker 1 (01:24:37):
He he has a big brain trust of people that
he's got, and I I am into like everybody on
that brain trust. Yeah, so I'm I'm excited about about that. Uh.
He's got a lot of people, a lot of really
great writers working on DC Studios right now. M m.
That's great. So I'm u have you seen anything for

(01:25:01):
Peacemaker season two? It looks fantastic.

Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
Yeah, yeah, I've seen a trailer. I think I thought
it looked cool. Yeah, and it looks like I'm really
wondering what they're gonna do with the timeline stuff. And
I didn't even think about it when watch the trailer,
but there is that moment where he bumps you see Peacemaker,
uh encounter another Peacemaker, And I don't know if they're
doing a time travel thing or if they're gonna do

(01:25:25):
like a universe shifting thing this year. Yeah, Okay, well,
it's his dad.

Speaker 1 (01:25:30):
Remember in the first season had that like yeah, the
universe folding chamber or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Gun says
that's gonna be We're gonna see that technology in Superman ooh,
and it's gonna be like the focal point of Peacemaker
season two. And they put out another trailer where we

(01:25:52):
see a whole lot of like inverted alternate universe Peacemaker
running around and then what appears to be an alternate
version of his dad.

Speaker 2 (01:26:02):
Okay, I feel it, man, I'm feeling like I need
to rewatch season one. I think I got a good
a good grasp on it. But just like those scenes
with his dad in the Quantum Room, I remember it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:11):
But I don't. It's been a while. I've just seen
it the once. Yeah. I am so excited. H yeah
due to show. I might be more excited about Peacemaker
season two than I am Superman in some ways, just
because I really relish these quirky ass characters. Like one
of the Big Gun said, like, Michael Rooker's coming back,

(01:26:33):
but he's going to be coming in as this guy.
Uh what did what did he call? Like Red Saint
Wild or some shit whole cloth character some like Nutbar,
who is trying to kill Peacemaker's eagle, Eaglely a gun.
Was like, because we're pretty sure that Eagley was the
favorite character of season one, we decided to give him

(01:26:54):
his own nemesis this year. That's funny.

Speaker 2 (01:26:56):
That's really funny, dude, that I know of one picture
set picture they've I'm not set picture, but picture from Lanterns,
and that picture Kyle Chandler and was Aaron Pierre, Gosh,
it looks so good.

Speaker 1 (01:27:11):
It does, it really does.

Speaker 2 (01:27:14):
Just it's one single shot. But I'm like, looks I
just like Kyle Chandler. I mean, you know, just good
stuff can't lose.

Speaker 1 (01:27:23):
What is it? Mine's full hearts can't lose. I don't know. Yeah,
and I don't know. I don't know. But look a
few weeks ago, Greg Dilla Hunt, who's on Lanterns as well, uh,
playing a weird sounding character, is a character that I'm like,
I don't know if that's the who he's actually playing.

(01:27:43):
I was already a little skeptical about that. And then
like he put out on his Instagram stories a picture
of himself in a green arrow outfit and was like,
it looked good. And he was like he seemed to
be like he actually had like him and then like
some storyboards behind him of what looked like Ollie Queen

(01:28:06):
doing a thing and then like it was taken down
almost immediately. That's the best, uh, And he was like, yeah,
that's it was just that was just I didn't realize
that it was gonna blow up like that and it
was just a joke. It was it was a joke,
and I'm like, bullshit.

Speaker 2 (01:28:21):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:28:21):
Yeah, it's like that. The kind of thing could go
either way.

Speaker 2 (01:28:23):
It's like they're they're like, why are you getting fans
excited about things not happening? Take it down? Or why
did you release that thing?

Speaker 1 (01:28:29):
Take it down? It's it could go who is that?
What actor was that? Greg Dilla Hunt?

Speaker 2 (01:28:34):
Greg Dila Hunt.

Speaker 1 (01:28:35):
But it would make so much sense, like Hal Jordan
and Ollie Queen hard traveling heroes, like one of the
most well known stories, Like yeah, it makes sense for
them to include him.

Speaker 2 (01:28:48):
Yeah, man, well we got a lot, I got a
lot of coming guys, So check out DC on screen.
They're gonna be talking about that DC stuff. I'm sure
we will over Milizaiverus News too.

Speaker 1 (01:28:57):
That's not. This isn't the this isn't the time or place.

Speaker 2 (01:28:59):
What do we do?

Speaker 1 (01:29:01):
It's always the time or place to talking about Marvel
and DC.

Speaker 2 (01:29:03):
Man, I know, I know, oh man. All right, guys, Well,
thank you for being here on the show. Everybody listening,
and we'll be back soon. Joel Untrue, Live, Long and prosper.
Thank you for listening to the Star Trek Universe podcast,
a Stranded Panda production.

Speaker 4 (01:29:21):
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Speaker 2 (01:29:23):
Robertson, check out the DC on Screen podcast or malagus dot.

Speaker 4 (01:29:28):
Tv for his web videos.

Speaker 2 (01:29:30):
If you'd like to hear more from Matthew Carroll, check
out the Marvel Cinematic Universe podcast.

Speaker 4 (01:29:36):
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