SWR Ep. 228: Emergency Reactions with Greg and Anthony

Welcome to Star Wars Reactions!

Due to some unforeseen emergencies, hosts Aaron Harris and David Modders are sidelined, yes they are fine. Filling in for them this week are two people who are not strangers to podcasting or SWR. From the Rebel Base Card podcast Greg McLaughlin and from Force Ghost Conversations, Anthony King, sit down and discuss one of the latest projects tackled by Industrial Light & Magic, Tron: Ares! Then Greg fills in for Aaron with an all new Star Wars Dad Joke of the Week!

Show Outline:

• Episode Intro
• Discussion
• Final Reactions
• Closing
• Star Wars Dad Joke of the Week

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, This is Colby from the Colby Cast. This is
Greg McLaughlin from the Rebel Based Card podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
This is Ross Ollivan a Phanta tracks.

Speaker 3 (00:07):
Hi.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
This is Danzy from Coffee with Kenoby. And you are listening.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
To Star Wars Reactions. Star Wars reactions. Star Wars Reactions,
Star Wars reactions elegant discussion. Elegant discussion or a more
civilized age for a more civilized age. Aaron, you do
it better, buddy, I did my best of your father.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
In nineteen seventy seven, George Lucas formed a legacy. I
am inspired by mynology. His sokka has become a passion
for many. For his legend has become our story, one
of resistance. Are like rebellion and redemption.

Speaker 4 (00:56):
I am je father.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
This is Star War Worst reactions.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
Remember you, let's preface this. We are not your regular hosts. However,
we've done this before, so so let me just set
this up all right, So it's you know, we just
got reactions back. Uh, and then some craziness happened, some

(01:23):
medical craziness happened. I want to say as right now
is we're recording this, Everything's fine, It's gonna be fine,
things have to be worked out, but once again, it
kind of gave us the opportunity to kind of come
in and have a little fun in their studio. Actually, no,
I am not in their studio. I'm in. I'm in.
I'm in this closet because it's the quietest place in
my house. But anyway, so I was starting to think

(01:45):
Anthony King from Force Coast Conversations.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
Who's with me?

Speaker 1 (01:48):
Also not also not David Martys, and I'm not Aaron Herris,
but work with me on this because I'm work shopping this.
So it's not storm reactions because it wasn't a hurricane.
I was thinking Star Wars reac Actions emergency edition, right,
because I started thinking like, okay, I don't want to
make this like but then I started thinking, I'm like,
all right, who are we going to have as like
the ten poll this And I started thinking like, all right,

(02:11):
if if I was going to have someone, if I
was in a hospital, if I was if I was
getting some medical treatment, and I'm like, who would I
want to be my doctor? I said, I should say
this is the Star Wars reaction doctor Quinn Medicine woman edition,
or I could say Quincy addition, I could say er
nine one one. I started thinking like, do I want

(02:32):
like Jack Kluckman, or do I want Jane Seymour? I said,
you know what? But then you think, what about er
George Cliney. I just saw his villa in Italy by
the way, Drogan as we were going past it. So
I'm workshopping this. Anthony King, what would you call this addition?
Star Wars reactions?

Speaker 5 (02:50):
Oh, I think the emergency, you know reactions. Emergency is
just just fine. Right, I'm happy to be the doctor
Doctor King. It was my Doctor King, you know, nickname
me in for my senior tennis team in high school. Yeah,
so wait, tracking you know all right?

Speaker 2 (03:07):
It works.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
Yeah, so obviously we're not your regular host. This is
not your regular show, but we were trying to find
both of us. We're trying to find a venue to
talk about tron aries and that's not my show, and
that's kind of not really your show, although it is Disney.
I mean, you've taken some strides this.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
I m did the effects.

Speaker 5 (03:27):
It kind of works. If I really wanted to, I
could stretch it.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
It's a Disney property. I mean, come on, so the
third installment, right, if you think about it. The original
Tron nineteen eighty two. Let's fast forward about twenty eight
years later to Tron Legacy in twenty ten. Also, my
son was about nine years old and that came up. Now,
let's fast forward what thirteen fifteen years.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
Later Tron aries fifteen. Yeah, it's nuts.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
So I'm kind of like I saw the original Tron.
I was like twelve years old. What did you see
Tron Legacy in the theater?

Speaker 2 (04:02):
I did not know.

Speaker 5 (04:02):
I saw both Tron and Tron Legacy for the first
time when Disney Plus came out.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
No way, all right, so what was your what what
did you see first? Did you see him in order?

Speaker 3 (04:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (04:15):
Oh yeah, I saw him in order?

Speaker 5 (04:16):
Yeah, I will if I if I'm aware that there
is a sequel, right, I usually will not watch the
sequel first.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
I'm just that particular kind of person.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
Fair enough, fair enough, So let me ask you this,
watching Tron for the first time, what are some of
the things that kind of jumped out to you. Did
you enjoy it? How did it go?

Speaker 2 (04:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (04:38):
Well, I think the the biggest criticism for a lot
of people is it didn't make sense to them, but
it made sense to me. So I understood it on
both the physical and the metaphysical level, so it worked.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
I enjoyed it.

Speaker 5 (04:54):
I had a great time watching the first one, and
I think it's pretty revolutionary in terms of the effects
that it did. So like the Star Wars fan in
me is like, oh, I can see the nineteen eighty
two visual effects and computer graphics that they're incorporating to
this thing. And I know it was kind of cutting
edge for both that time, but also is cutting edge
for like the gamer community too, right, video games had
not really taken off for the home market yet at

(05:16):
that point in time, but like arcades were still kind
of all the rave and Flynn's Arcade was like it
seemed like the cool hop in place.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
To be for that community. So it just it rocks.
I think it's great.

Speaker 5 (05:27):
Obviously, it's of its era, so you got to have
like that kind of like mentality going into it. But
the benefit of this franchise is that, like computer graphics
and like just technology itself, it's allowed to grow over time.
And these films proved that.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
You know, coming off of you know, like of course
Star Wars comes out obviously nineteen seventy seven, and everybody
is wanting to get on board with this, and I
know that ye along with the Star Trek the motion picture,
and then Disney's first really foray into it, which is
The Black Hole, which was an Yeah, really you're like,
this is not a Disney story, Little Disney five, but

(06:05):
or incredible, incredible, incredible story and and you know, great
visual effects and things like that. But then you get
to nineteen eighty two. Now you know, Tron kind of
comes at a great point because it's sandwiched in between
you know, you know, Star Wars, Empire Strikes Back. You've
had you know, like you Blade Runner, you know, Raiders
are a lost arc So we're just having you know,

(06:26):
my generation, we're having a grand old time and Tron
just kind of fits in there. And for me, you know,
like I'm going to those arcades. I'm seeing like the
Tron spinoffs game, which I suck at, by the way,
but it was great playing. But yeah, arcades were a thing.
I mean, it was huge. But it's something also when
you're seeing on the screen like this is you know,
these are computer graphics. This is stuff we really hadn't

(06:48):
seen before. And you know, like I remember getting the
it's either the DVD or the Blu Ray. I have
this one where it's like, this is one I'm usually
a big fan of, like extras, this one was almost
like it was so many hours worth of extras. This
is almost like there's so many extras there's there's almost
too much. But it is something where you see they

(07:09):
really try to put something into it and even though
like there wasn't a whole lot of story there. Although
another story is a friend of mine actually the gentleman
that played Ram in the original, I think his seems
Dan Sure actually moved out to Saipan where I lived
for a time, and some of my best friend actually
got to hang with it. He goes he was like

(07:29):
trying to do like a I think he was teaching
over there and things like that. So it's like I
have tied a Ram, which is indirectly a little Kevin
Baconish as you were. But it was just something that
it was just it's just really weird one off that
was awesome. I had the figures. I wish I still
had them because they are super expensive on the secondary

(07:50):
market now, by the way, next to my Star Wars figures.
I love these things because they were they were see through,
but they had colored and they had the discs and
all that kind of stuff. I don't know why I.

Speaker 5 (07:58):
Think reactions doing a re release though, if you want
them cheaper and not the original ones, if you just
want like the the three and three quarter ones that
look very similar.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
But yes, and then, but then I remember being super
excited with Toronto Legacy came came out, and you know,
I remember saying like, I want to see this in
the most expensive way possible, and you know, you had
the daft punk soundtrack and what seemed like a little
deeper film with some homages back to the original with
you know, Bruce box Lightner and Jeff Bridges, which was great.

(08:31):
So Tront Legacy comes out. In seeing those two, did
you watch them back to back? Did you give yourself
some time to think it out? Or did you just
like binge it one night? How did you? How did you?

Speaker 5 (08:40):
Oh? No, not a binge one night? I think it
was the next night, put on the next one. Gave
myselful a day in between there. So this was probably
a pandemic too, So like you know, it was early
twenty to twenty. You know, I think I had an
afternoon or an evening A couple of stead of Evenings.
Maybe I had opened, so I was like, oh, I'm
going I watch Try Why not I have I pay

(09:02):
for Disney, Plus I might as well get use out
of this thing and while I have it. So yeah,
I watched that and Legacy, and I thought Legacy was great.
I think the big thing that stands out is how
awesome at to have punk scores. I have it on
vinyl because of that, it is is epic. And you know,
we have the ride over here a Magic Kingdom Tron

(09:22):
light cycle run, which is yeah, really great too, and
it infuses that soundtrack and then the light cycle is
based off of the that from this movie too, So
they really up the ante. I think in this one
that I think you can tell they really spent their effects.
Not that they didn't spend the effects budget well back
in eighty two, but certainly for twenty ten standards, they

(09:43):
really went above and beyond for this. I like the
blue kind of hue for the movie too. I think
that's a really good color palette choice for this thing.
And it just introduces some interesting side characters too, like
Flynn's kid and I'm forgetting Olivia Wilde's character name and
really sets up this like kind of grand thing for
the implications of the future of the franchise in the

(10:07):
fact that she could go into the real world. So
I thought, like, oh, wonderful address that in Toronto areas,
and it's probably spoiler territory here, folks, so.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
Well, right, Greg, right, well.

Speaker 5 (10:19):
We'll talk to spoilers on this thing now. It kind
of gets hinted at the end there that could if
they were going to make another one of these that
Jared Leto's character who is also formerly from the Grid
and created of Ai. He is Ai himself, I guess
technically is on the hunt to find this other person
that also was created in the Grid and then somehow

(10:40):
was able to manifest outside of that space without the
twenty nine minute time limit.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
You know, and something I didn't really appreciate at the time,
although I know that you know, Cora, the the ice
from Tron Legacy who ends up you know. One of
the downsides, of course is that, you know, I think
after Tomorrow Land didn't do that great in the box office.
A couple of years later they kind of put you know,

(11:11):
the kind of the hold on on the on the franchise.
Although that there was an animated series which is still
on Disney Plus.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
Yeah, Uprising.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
I think Uprising and that is that is a tremisous
if you have not and you're still paying for Disney Plus, which,
by the way, don't take that as a given any
and at this point anymore, folks, But I would say
that if you haven't, do yourself a favor and fire
up toront or Uprising. I know that they did a
tie in comic for I wouldn't say tie in, but
they did a little bit of a comic. I think

(11:41):
it's sort of a prequill uh to to the Tron
Legacy that kind of dealt a little delved, a little
more with the ISOs. Uprising deals a little more with
you know, some some of the politics of the time.
But you know that there was just a lot of
things that you could do with that. Something else. By
the way, if you if you haven't dialed up Tron Legacy.

(12:02):
Martin Sheen Michael Sheen, who has also been in Good Omens,
plays SEUs this and he just does a phenomenal job.
He's in the end of Line End of Line Club
that he just steals that scene. I mean, go score.
Jeff Bridges, who's doing Clue. You know, it's a little
more straight up when he gets into that, and of

(12:23):
course both Jeff Bridges' characters are in that. But I
would say I don't think it deserves the ire that
it does get because I really liked what it was
trying to do and if you get if you got
the movie, there were some interesting special features on it
that kind of delve into what happened just after the
movie ended, and I won't give that away, but there's

(12:44):
some interesting things they were trying to do. And of
course it just you know, Disney will if they're not
feeling they're making the kind of money they need to make,
they will pull the plug. So yeah, we fast forward. Yeah,
if we fast forward to surprisingly, show runner Jared Lido,
who tront Aris comes back. When you started seeing the

(13:06):
trailers for it and started hearing about it, what did
you think.

Speaker 5 (13:11):
Before we get into the tron areas, they did want
to know one last thing about Legacy, which I think
is its ultimate legacy, which it might be the first
movie to try and do the aging, the digital d
aging of Jeff Bridges. And you know, you can argue,
like it, does it, does it work? Does it look good? Right.
I think that's up for debate, but someone got to
do it first, and so you have a through line

(13:32):
from that to then you know, technology gets better and
better and better, I guess over the years. Six years
later you get Civil War with that, the Aging, Robert
Downey Junior sequence, Rogue one famously with you know, bringing
Tarkian and Leah.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
Because you had Patrick Stewart and.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
Magneto Oh McKellen, Ian McKellen.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
Ian McKellen, so they were daged it to a.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
Bit, got it?

Speaker 5 (13:59):
Yes, So absolutely, So you know, tront legacy does have
its place in the film community at this point because right,
most things, not most things, but there's a lot of
major properties now that aren't afraid to use the aging
as a as a resource in full movies. Right. The
Irishman had had the full full movie of the Aging

(14:21):
the entirety of the time, so you can make you know,
de Niro and Peshi look like they're forty the entire
time for the most part, when they're definitely double that
at this point. So tron legacy certainly has a strong legacy.
But yes, the back to the tron areas of it all.
I think your question was first kind of marketing about it?
What did I think about it? I was honestly in

(14:42):
when they announced the movie. Actually, you think Jared Letto
is a really great actor. Now, I personally is he
an interesting guy? And when I say interesting, I don't
mean it like like that kind of like, oh, I'm
really intrigued to know about every aspect of his life.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
I think it's like, oh, okay, yeah.

Speaker 5 (15:01):
Does it surprise me that he might be a person
mired in potential controversies? Like that doesn't surprise me whatsoever. No,
you know, he's as a method actor. He's done many
interesting roles and again interesting roles, but he's an Academy
Award winner. If you watched Dallas Byers Club, you'll understand why.
And he'll say he helped McConaughey arguably win his Academy

(15:21):
Award for that too. And I really do like his
Joker performance. And I think that was probably because of
editing that he got edited out of that movie in
a way or made it look kind of the way
that does the David Ayris Trueberg's true vision of that
film has yet to be seen, which features that and
he did a couple of films of the years the
little things came out during the pandemic. That was really

(15:45):
But of course, how could I forget his really great
job in twenty forty nine. No, that's not that's not,
that's very I'm upset that I didn't think about that
on the spot there, but even more biasts right, he
wasn't the problem of that movie. I think he gets
blamed for for a lot of it there, arguably, but
it's that's not his fault. There's a lot of moving

(16:06):
pictures behind the scenes that are are making things the
way they are. But overall, I think I think Jared
Letto is a really good actor at the craft that
he does, and I'll you know, there's some degree respect
that I have for that. So I think hearing that
he was involved, and I read some of those early
comments that he had from the start, was like, he's
such a tron, like this is his franchise that he was,

(16:30):
He's primarily the one why this movie gets happened, why
this movie gets made, right. I think Disney was like,
we're shutting down the potential legacy arguably a direct legacy
sequel that follows the story of of Cora and and
and I forget Flynn's kids name. I think it's Sam. Okay,
so Sam. So you know, Disney shuts that down. Tron's

(16:54):
kind of in limbo and like he's the only one
that's like calling them up every so often, like, hey,
I'd love to do it to a Tron thing. Let's
keep the franchise alive. Right, So it does take arguably
like fourteen fifteen years to even get to this point,
and it's largely because of him. So if you're a
Tron fan and you like aries and you're happy to
see that there's more and you're like, oh, I can't believe,

(17:14):
like Jared Leto is a part of it, well you
arguably have to thank him to some degree because you
don't get this if it's not because of him. So
he is an executive producer on this. I think he
had his hands in the story of this thing. But yeah,
hearing how much passion that he had for this franchise,
especially when it's me, you know, people have been saying, oh,
it's confusing, I don't understand it.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
It doesn't you know.

Speaker 5 (17:36):
That's largely been the biggest complaints against the Tron franchise,
at least that I've understood.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
Over the years.

Speaker 5 (17:43):
You know, He's like, I got it, and I want
to honor that moving forward. And I think the story
that they put forth in this one really respects what
has come before in many ways and also is like,
although we're not technically a direct direct sequel to Legacy,
we're not going to forget that this and we're gonna
we're gonna honor it at the end there and leave

(18:03):
us to what could be the potentially if there ever
was a next one that does kind of pay off
those earlier aspects that are teased at in in Legacy
at the end of that film. So marketing, you know,
I think once I saw the first poster, the red scheme,
I think that was a beautiful color choice.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
Right.

Speaker 5 (18:23):
If if blue was legacy, right, then the opposite is red.
And you could even argue that this is the Dillinger
family film from a from a different point of view too,
if this isn't Flynn's film, this is the Dillingerer family
and that dealing with that, and I think that leads
into like the the post credits scene that this or
the mid credits, if you will, where it could lead to,

(18:44):
oh my gosh, what an incredible future could there could be.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
Now.

Speaker 5 (18:49):
I'm sure we've all seen the article that's come out
that basically said Disney's shelving this and no more tron
for the future here.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
But it great.

Speaker 5 (18:58):
Nine Inch Nails got announced as being people the score
for this, and I think they do a fantastic job
on that front there, both in terms of their work
in the grunge scene and also in movies too, Like
Social Network is a great score soul the film from
twenty twenty that Pixar did is also another incredible score too,

(19:20):
So knowing that they were behind this, I'm like, okay,
when when Win Win, I saw some of the more
supporting casts like Jody Turner Smith from The Acolyte Fame,
Greta Lee, so many great people in the Alton Evan
Peters of course too as the grandchild Dillinger, and all
this little sequence from Cameron moynihan too.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
Are just there a little bit of calcast in this thing?

Speaker 5 (19:46):
So yeah, between you're getting all the information seeing the
first trailer, I actually saw like five to ten minutes
of this movie back in August.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
I think I shared that with you. So yeah, So
I saw.

Speaker 5 (19:58):
The the bridge sequence when they launch ares, and I
guess the second in command.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
I don't know if she gets a name Athena.

Speaker 5 (20:07):
Sorry, yes, absolutely, okay, my apologies for forgetting that. Aries
and Athena they when they get launched out to go
hunt down Greta Lee's character and go across the bridge
and all that, and that's the whole sequence. Like I
got to see that at Destination D twenty three this
past year, so plugged for that con too to go
check it out now because they're they're starting to do

(20:28):
film showcase panels at that thing too, so it's guy,
you know, it's only going up from there. And yeah,
I got to see early footage for this thing and
it was it blew me away there, and that I've
since then, I've definitely been an acolyte and disciple of
being like, hey, you guys need to go see this
on the biggest screen, the loudest theater possible. And it
is a loud movie. So you know, find to find

(20:50):
that theater that works for you, whether it be Dolby,
a Doolby screen or Imax or three D, four D
X rp X, whatever, or find it. Sit down there,
get a bucket of popcorn, and have a great time.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
Agreed, and I would say, you know, I kind of
kind of came in with, you know, I'm excited to
see another tron. Yeah, I'm gonna be there. And I
would say it was nice because my son and I
got to go and so now he's gonna be turning
it almost twenty four and you know, so there is
there is the time go. I know, but we got
to see it at an AMC that had you know,

(21:25):
I think it was a laser and so the seats
not only did you get the recliners that you could
have food order two, that was one thing, but also
you felt the vibrations and of course the soundtrack Trent
Reznor in nine Inch Nails. I mean, they're more gen
X than that. But what I would say is that,
you know, if if you think about if I'm going
to give like tron areas like a three out of four,

(21:51):
I would say that if you take away that soundtrack,
it's a two out of four. I would say in
this case, and I'd be echoing what I've kind of
heard from some online that I do think that the
music does elevate the material. Now you can argue that,
you know, you're not really supposed to go multiple years
decades between films because you are going to lose something,

(22:14):
as we kind of saw with you know, you know,
even going back to you know, the time, the gap
between Luke Skywalker appearing in Returning the Jedi and then
you know at the end of the Force Awakens going
there's a bit of a gap, and we did kind
of miss a little bit that we saw, like some
of the Mandalorian kind of goes like, hey, what is
But in this case, I think because the stories themselves,

(22:35):
i mean, Toronto wasn't necessarily known for these real deep
you want to go watch Foundation, I fell asleep through
it personally, but like, if you want that kind of
Asamavian sci fi, go for it. You can have you
can have, you can get it in spades, kids. But
in this one, I'm looking more for the visual experience.
I'm looking more for the music movies. I mean, I
didn't think for a second that they were going to
get Daft Punk to reform and do a new soundtrack.

(22:56):
Although I'm like, stranger things have happened Oasis, But you know,
when I was heard that nine Inch Nails is gonna
be doing, I'm like, yes, this is perfect and sitting
through that. I mean, I don't think I've bought a
soundtrack so fast out like as soon as I'm like, yes,
I'm buying this and I'm jamming to it the next day.
But what I would say is like, for what they
were trying to do, I was, I was, I was

(23:18):
on board with it. I liked, like I said, uh,
you know, Greta Lee does a really great job, and
I kind of like her. Angle Evan Peters, who I
don't I've seen him in a few things. I know
he was in Lower Decks. He does the voice of
the Lower Decks, and I've seen him in The Boys,
So I like him. And I thought, you know, a
little over the top Dillinger. I think missus, Missus Dillinger,
Mama Dillinger gets a little short sighted. She doesn't really

(23:41):
doesn't really do that much. But I did really like Aries.
I liked Leados as Aries, and I like Athene because
I thought that they you know, if oh you need
somebody who's sort of AI kind of moody, little shallow,
well there's there's Leado right there. I mean, like it
doesn't that's not a big acting stretch. But I did
like what they were trying to do. But I can
see that I could see that if you pick this

(24:05):
thing apart, especially given the amount of time between, you're
probably going to lose some things. And so on one hand,
you're kind of trying to take a cult film and
make it into a mass market franchise, So you're gonna
have to strip it a little bit down to like,
all right, y'all know light cycles, right, all right, cool,
We're gonna have some of those in there, and they
tear up the city, and that's probably one of the

(24:26):
better sequences in it. But it got creative as far
as like what they could do because we kind of figured, like, well,
it seems like it's solid. We know it from you know,
the original Tron and things like that. But I really
liked what they were trying to do. I think there
were some times where you go, Okay, you know, Jared,
you kind of but I'm not going to fald him
for trying to get this off. And I would also

(24:47):
say that, well we heard it was it was dead before,
and so I think this is one of those things
where it's like, especially when you decided to make a
theme park right on it, Disney knows there's something still
too this. It may not come in a movie form,
but I could totally see this as animation with a score,

(25:08):
you know, with some with some music and still continue.
There's still a lot of story to be told, and
I think they could find a more profitable way to
do it that would be happy for all parties involved.

Speaker 5 (25:18):
Yeah, this film is definitely cultivating a cult following already.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
There's the keeps.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
Getting smaller and smaller by the way.

Speaker 5 (25:27):
There's a could of people that like Tron, and I
assume there's a cold of people that like like all
of the Tron franchise, right, and then there's a cult
of people that like tront Aries a lot.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (25:41):
And I've seen this outpour of support and admiration on
social media over the last couple of days here since
its release, and it's Yeah, it's that pumping score, it's
these great visual effects. You can't deny that they spent
the budget where they needed to on this thing. And
it's arguably a timely story.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
Right.

Speaker 5 (26:01):
There's a lot of fear of AI and self sentient
beings be like, what's the next phase of that? And
it kind of prays on that fear that we have
of like, oh, well, is AI coming for us?

Speaker 2 (26:14):
Is it coming for our jobs?

Speaker 5 (26:16):
Are they going to like three D print these robots
that are like AI features are sent into their brain
and now they can teach classes and be you know,
do automated tasks and I'm sure they could help our
world in many ways.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
But what do we lose after that?

Speaker 5 (26:36):
So it was interesting though to see on the adverse
side of things, like this is an AI that's learning
to become human. Right, there are other stories that have
tried to tackle this in the past, right, I unfortunately
can't think of any other on my head, but it's
certainly not a new kind of take on things, but
it given the current climate, right, it is much more
of like literally you're seeing these characters get three D

(26:57):
printed and then yeah, the permanent thing is as a
as a kind of a convoluided concept to some degree,
but you know that these are some some real world
issues that they're tackling right now. Which I think is
the importance of the Tron franchise is because it can
talk about these areas of our society as technology grows

(27:21):
and like have these action adventure serials. It's now cereal
at this point, I would argue that kind of goes
into that realm a little bit there. Right, the first
Tron is talking about, oh, the kids are getting sucked
into the video games, right, if Tron Legacy is about,
oh my gosh, v our experiences are are losing our

(27:41):
our humanity, right, We're getting locked into the immersive gameplay
of all this stuff that's existing at this time. And
then this third one is now about like, oh Ai
is coming for all of us, how can we how
can we protect ourselves? How do we defend ourselves? What's
the next phase of life after this? It's a really

(28:01):
interesting tale, I think, from from all those perspectives.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
Well not just that, but you know, thinking about like
you know, you know, basically building combatants to fight your
battles for you, and you think about like an allegory
to you know, to drone literally used in combat where
it's like if you remove you know, you take that
removal of the humanity or you know, like humans from
one side of it, then you know it could potentially

(28:26):
cause you know, it has caused you know there, where's
the conscience in that if you're basically just launching launching,
you know, you know, guys versus robots and things like that,
and so that don't really have it and so but
I also like the fact that it was something that
it was clearly shown that you know, uh, Dylan's you

(28:46):
thought he could control it and he had he had
no control on it from like from the get go,
which is really good. It's like, I think you should
buy it, bring you should hope you brought your umbrellas
and I got you know which, now you can go back,
all right. That's a really important line if you're going
to sell him a little later on when he's talking
about Depeche Mode spoilers, that was a little tougher to
kind of but I get, I get the overall theme

(29:07):
of it. But it does put up some pretty good themes.
And I'm like I said, you know, when we talk
like huh, we're once again talking about maybe where a
story could was not exactly as you know, if you're
talking about a through line that doesn't exactly match with
a story that maybe had some holes in it. I
think we've done nothing but talk about that kind of

(29:28):
stuff for the last several years, and so I don't
really see, you know, like you can kind of see.
I think, if anything, now people are a little more
like sensitive to like, yeah, I think at some point
because we're kind of maybe getting a little bit tired
of just we like the spectacle, we'll go see it.
That's why you're trying to get our butts in seats
and away from streaming services. We want, we want a

(29:50):
story to go along with that, and we think you
can give it to us. And I guarantee you it's
not going to happen if you if you take an
AI type approach or you kind of do it you
don't pay enough attention to it.

Speaker 4 (30:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (30:01):
Absolutely, I think the one hundred percent on all that front.
And uh, I think, yeah, this film might have more
to say in the next couple of years, Right, I
think this is one of those that we might look
back on it and go, well, they were kind of
had the curve on some of these thoughts here. And
I did like seeing things from like I think the
drone example is a really good one too, but like

(30:25):
literally seeing what hacking looks like from a different perspective, right,
I thought that was really creative of how they they
they they made that sequence work.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
That was that was really cool.

Speaker 5 (30:37):
And I think both you and I probably geeked out
a lot about seeing the original Grid come back into
play and how well how well they just recreated nineteen
eighty two graphics and film and the look of the
film too.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
Versus a little bit of a grain. But on arguably
it was like an order of magnitude better of what
we would what I would have seen.

Speaker 5 (30:58):
A nice yep, yeah, for sure for sure. So like
that honor and homage to that. I gotta think it's
probably Leto's idea as a fan of that. He's like,
I gotta get Jeff Bridges in this film somehow, and
we got to recreate this and it's got to look
exactly the same. Like, you guys cannot take liberties with this,
and that's really only something that like a fan of

(31:21):
the a deep fan of the of the franchise would
really care about. So maybe a guy could let them
mars prop up there, folks as a larger fan base here.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
The one to see bit again, which really is like
is a is a deep cut from that because it
kind of gets tied into you know, not only the
original clue, but you know later on when when when
Flynn sees him, but also the fact that when he
got off the grid from light Cycles the hole was
still there that was created by Flynn and that before

(31:50):
and or like from the the Crash light cycle, and
so that was just really it was just really smart.
It was just like when we you know, when we
saw like Flynn's light cycle in Tron Legacy and you're going,
which I have, which is one of the toys that
I have from Tron Legacy. I'm very happy I did,
because that was a gorgeous light cycle of the White One.
But yeah, it's one of those where I'm like, I

(32:11):
don't I guess I just didn't ask a ton from
this movie. I was just happy it was there.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
Now.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
Granted I could say, like, yeah, it has it has
some flaws to it, but boy, you know, in between
your major, you know, like we're months months away from
Manduin Grogu, and I still have kind of feelings towards
how I'm gonna kind of go in that and maybe
I just need to see another trailer or maybe I don't,
But I would say that the marriage of great visuals music,

(32:39):
I think, like I said, there was one more little
temple it could have had, but I think it would
have been a tough order for anybody to have done
to create this, and it's a shame it won't get
anything right now. But I don't think it. I don't
think we're done with Tron yet.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
Yeah, give it another fifteen years. We'll see what happens.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
Right, I'll standing to do that podcast, that's right. I'll
still do a podcast with you. I won't be standing
doing the podcast where he put out.

Speaker 5 (33:07):
You know, Jared Leto's in his early to mid fifties,
and he's the ageless wonder of all of all things,
So like you know, he might still be looking like
he's in his forties fifteen years from now.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
So forget to say, get Olivia Wilde in all this,
and let's see where the story is intended to go.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
I like it. I like it all right. Well, I
think that I think that we're going to pause this
conversation on tron areas for now. We're gonna let other
folks pick it up from here. But I'm happy you
liked it. I'm happy I liked it, and I hope
that if if it's still out in theaters when you
hear this, go get it, go go watch it, because

(33:47):
I do think it's a great It's kind of like
I remember, like taking my son to see speed Racer
in Imax. Now, that was the first time in the
last time I took him to an Imax movie. Not
a big fan of those Imax movies. But I would
say as crummy a story as that was, visually, they
killed it on that because it was a fun It
was a fun Imax experience. And that's why I kind

(34:07):
of feel with Toronto areas where it's like a little
bit let down, maybe a little bit let down by
the story, but overall, had a great time and I
would go see it again if time permitted. That's right,
all right, this wouldn't be a well. Even though this
is an emergency version of Star Wars Reactions, this is
still an episode of Star Wars Reactions. So I was

(34:28):
hastily looking for dad joke Star Wars dad joke, and
I will not I will not spare you from this experience,
nor will I spare the audience who faithfully tunes in
each and every episode for this. So after a exhausting
ten second Google search, I did find some. So if
you've heard this before that, h oh well, y'all been warning,

(34:49):
all right, So let's see. My question to you is
why did everyone in the Resistance stop speaking to Thinn
on the planet with the giant sun.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Oh wow, laid on me because that was a long one.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
Else, I'll say that again because someone actually had to
type this out. Why did everyone in the resistance stop
speaking to Finn on the planet with the giant sun?

Speaker 2 (35:21):
Wow?

Speaker 5 (35:21):
I'm I'm waiting to hear this one, because I got nothing.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
He called it a ray of sunshine.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
I see. It's a bad joke, yes, but yes, it's
not good.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
It's not good, but it works for Daz. Daz is
going to love that joke because it's got rained. But anyway,
and of course it was residant, so we're talking sequeling anyway.
That's it. That's it, all right. So I know, since
you're not the regular co host of Star Wars Reactions,
folks may not have heard of Force Coast conversations. This

(35:57):
is your chance to enlighten us and let us know
where we can continue the conversation with you, mister Anthony King.

Speaker 5 (36:03):
Well, of course, and a little disappointing you didn't find
a tron dad joke. I don't know if those exist
out there. Maybe we're too niche.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
Of a command.

Speaker 5 (36:12):
Yeah, yeah, I'll vamp over here and tell people where
they can find me while you're looking for that.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
So, yeah, we are.

Speaker 5 (36:19):
I am the host of forrestcost Conversations, your cozy deep
dive for all things Star Wars and lucasfilm adjacent things.
And you know we are weekly podcasts, so you can
find us on all of the you know, Spotify, Apple,
any place you can find a podcast, these days will
be there and we have episodes weekly about anything and
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(36:39):
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Speaker 2 (36:46):
Again. We'll be there in a some capacity.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
And in that perfect moment, I did fine thanks to
thanks to a right. See, all right, we're gonna give
you a bonus. This is not This is not a
Star Wars dad joke. This is a Tron dad joke
because I'm on brand tonight. All right. I'm not saying
the grid is big, But when Kevin Flynn told his son,

(37:10):
I am still to create the perfect system, he was
talking about a new router.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
See it's not a joke, but it works as a sentence.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
That's true. Well, I could say, all right, he was
gonna why was Clue so bad at fishing? Oh?

Speaker 2 (37:27):
Okay, laid on me.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
Why was Clue so bad at fishing? He could never
get past the firewall.

Speaker 5 (37:34):
A You know, I was just thinking in my head.
I was like, Oh, it's probably something to do with
the tech of it all. But you never know what
these dad jokes, right, It could be like, oh, well,
he just he just didn't have a line long enough
or something.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
I don't see.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
He just liked it, just like the trilogy. Those were
those were jokes, but they weren't really connected. They were
they weren't just mustamuf any.

Speaker 5 (37:53):
Good thing about tront I guess one last tron note there.
There's something to be said though about the disjointed nature
of it, where each of these you can just hop
in without having really to need to know what came before,
which is kind of refreshing in some ways but also
not refreshing to the same It's a catch, you know,
it's a catch.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
Twenty two.

Speaker 5 (38:10):
We are so much the fans of like, we're not
casual fans for a lot of like things, right, So
it's like, oh, I know every detail just about of
like everything that I watch, and I consume everything. But
then it's like, oh, there's there's a franchise here that's
not fully connected like that.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
How do we make this?

Speaker 5 (38:28):
How do I rationalize them head around this? So it's
it's a different experience again, but it works alright.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
All right, So we're gonna bring this episode Star Wars
Emergency Reactions to a close. If you want to continue
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