Tapping the brain w/ Dr Robb Kelly

Very excited to sit down with Dr. Robb Kelly. I get to pick his brain about the brain! Come hang out with us for another episode of StarrDumB.

If you need help with addiction check out Dr. Robb at the link below.

https://robbkelly.com/

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
The whole point is the share on here.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Oh yeah, yeah, that's right. Embarre's the ship out of yourself.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
Keep the conversations, you know, and you're doing your friend
job on the Welcome everybody to JG's lounge. I'm your
host Jukebox back with another episode of Stardom with me today.
I have two guests. We've got Evolution next to me

(00:31):
and how you doing.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
Doing great man, Glad to be a part of an
episode once again. I was counting how many episodes I
was on and it's way over one hundred now, so
it's a great day, man. I'm excited and ready to go.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
Yeah, good, good, And this is the first time that
I've ever actually had a guest on where I had
to go through like their reception. I don't know if
she's your secretary or your receptionist, but doctor Rob Kelly,
welcome to the show.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
Thank you man.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
I apologize for that. I have gatekeepers all around me.
Who's surprised how many people chased me down? But yeah,
good job man, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
Yeah, though I appreciate you coming on. You know, I
did a lot of one through your website. I listened
to some of the other podcasts that you've been on,
so I got kind of a feel for you. But
I'm very excited to be having you on today. And
why don't you tell everybody a little bit about yourself?

Speaker 2 (01:26):
Hey, guys, managed Dr Rob Kelly. I specialize in addiction,
alcoholics and depression shout to trauma, PTSD and all of
the above. Been in the industry for about thirty years
with almost nine thousand patients. And originally, as you can
tell by my accent, I'm from East Texas. I'm from Manchester, England,

(01:47):
and I was born in England. Guys, but I got
her as quick as I could. I promise you, I
got air as quick as I could.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
So.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
Been in Texas for eighteen years, fourteen in Dallas and
now I resided the good Olds an Antonio, Texas.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
What made you move to Texas? In particular?

Speaker 2 (02:05):
I came here for two weeks to do a talk
in a conference and just never went back home.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
Man, that's nice.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Oh my god, this son is Oh my god, this
American dream and then everything else kind of fell into
place from they really, I mean within three months, I
got I got a movie deal and which pays me
like six figures. I the only ever time I've seen
six figures was when I was writing the Times table
back in the day. But yeah, they offered mid its trunkman,
I did it, and then the rest off we go.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
I know they have some some pretty uh renowned hospitals
down there, for like the specialize in certain things too,
So like my wife has like hard issues, and I
know they've got like a herd institutes down there that
are pretty well known.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
So yeah, that's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
You know, you mentioned addiction, and I think you said
you've been doing it for thirty years. I remember, like,
like my dad wasn't nowtlcoholic or and still is an alcoholic.
I don't even talk to the guy. But like there's
other forms now, like you know, kids get addicted to
social media. I mean it's just caffeine. There's energy drinks everywhere.

(03:12):
Like I've experienced a withdrawal from caffeine recently and I
didn't even know I was addicted to it. Yeah, do
you experience a lot of these different types of addiction.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
Well, here's what we used to do. Ninety percent of
our work was pure addiction, ten percent was entrepreneurs stuff
like that. Ninety percent now are entrepreneurs people who want
to make something themselves. People addicted to iPads, iPhones and
stuff like that. So yeah, we do see. But we're
kind of neuroscientists and we've done a lot of research
on addictions social behavior, and we found that there's different

(03:44):
parts of the brain and not what you think they are,
and addiction and alcoholism if not what you think it is,
Like if you could just stop drinking, everything will be good.
Well it was that easy. I woulnderstand my wife three
times one night. I would almost kill my kids. I mean,
that's what we got into. Found out across the board.
Everybody's addicted to something and dependent about your brain makeup.

(04:08):
Depends which way you go with that. So usually self sabotaged.
And there's a billions in neuropathways in the head, but
three hundreds neuropathways die every day. So the basis of
our teachings is what are you replacing them? Three hundred
way and you do the repetition strength and confirms whether
the basil ganglia picks it up, you know, the iPad

(04:29):
that dirted the screen time and all that stuff, and
then that basil gangly enough times becomes a working part
of the mind. So now we're done. We're never really
going to amount to anything because this working part of
the mind is self destruction all of the time. Wow,
are you all right?

Speaker 1 (04:46):
That's crazy. No, it's crazy. You kind of went crazy
there for a second. Talked about your personal stuff. I'd
like to kind of let everybody that's listening or it's
going to tune and later kind of get a field
for what you went through. Like I said, I heard
it on some other podcasts, but what I mean, you
personally experienced this.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
And I think looking back, I think, you know, I
became homeless, and I'd run through the story, but my
homelessness at the time was hell on her. But when
I look back, it was like a semester university at
Yale University. It was amazing. But I took my first
drink at the age of nine on stage with my
musical family. I was the bass guitarist in the group.

(05:30):
My uncle gave me a beer and then that kind
of took off. The first moment I drank it, It's
like the world just changed for me, right, and then
it took my nerves away, and you know, I was
I went through school every Friday, Satday, Sunday would be
out gigging, and you know, I wanted to be a
pro musician. I mean I was good enough. I had
the addictive personality. Am either going to do something or

(05:52):
I'm not. Yeah, I played basketball. Someone said, do you
want to come in? But no, why never done it? Well,
you might be good. I don't want to do it.
So I have been the best in the world, or
I'm I'm going to walk away and not do anything.
So through a long story, I got to be the
session musician Abbey Road in London, which is a famous

(06:13):
recording studio. I played with Bowie, Queen, Ell and John,
all them guys in sessions, you know, many years ago.
So I did all that, but it kind of massed.
I get to college, not on my own doing, but
it was a freemason thing. I get to college. I mean,
now I'm in the impost syndrome area because I would
probably be there. And then kept drinking, drinking, drinking, and

(06:36):
eventually got married to children, eventually lost everything And the
first time I was homeless on the streets on the
little bench, it was pouring out, thought to myself, where
the hell did that go wrong? But nobody could tell me. Guys,
nobody could tell me, well the reason because you did,
oh go to aa. He just stop drinking, and that

(06:57):
really confused me and annoyed me in anger me It's
like no medical doctors today can explain alcoholism or cannot
treat alcoholism period. The medical fraternity do not want to
know because there's no money in recovery. Imagine going to
a doctor and going, hey, can I have a pill
to cure this illness? So you take that, it cures
the illness, and three or four months later you stop

(07:17):
taking the medication. It just never happened, right, never happened, right.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
You know. My dad, like I said, has been an
alcoholic my whole life and for the longest time, you know,
my sister and I was like, there's no way he
can stop. And then he got in trouble with the
law because he was beating on his girlfriend and he
was under probation for like a year. Stop drinking, I
mean cold turkey. You just stopped drinking? Did it for
nine months?

Speaker 2 (07:46):
No problem?

Speaker 1 (07:46):
Nicest guy in the world when he's sober. As soon
as he got off probation, right back to the bottle. Yeah,
he was just complete jerk. So he has the ability
to stop and he just chooses not to like and
then that was the eye opener for us.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yeah, it's crazy how that works. It's all to do
with people are thinking. Ask anybody in the world what's alcoholism.
They'll give you the same reply is somebody who drinks
so much alcohol or somebody can't control alcohol. Alcohol has
one percent to do with alcoholism. That's a statement that
we come over with. It's that it's not the alcohol.
So what we have to when we studied the brain,
we god to the hypothmist. So with me and your dads,

(08:23):
the hypothalamis from birth is a survival part of the brain.
It tells children you have to eat food and drink
water to survive. That's what it says. We do it
even not even thinking, because that's a survival part. If
we don't do that, we'll die. So what happens with
me and your dad is maybe we can stop for
a bit, but at certain points of our drinking career,
the hypothalumi is turns around and switches on us. This

(08:45):
is why it's a disease and tells me I have
to drink alcohol to stay alive. So therefore, that's why
my kids and my family and my wife. I don't
care about all that stuff. I'm the loving fathering the
best of the world. I'm sober when the brain is
flipped and tells me to drink alcohol only above anything
else to survive. That's why I say a disease, because

(09:07):
you have no choice. That's what people don't understand.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
You know.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
So when you start like working with some of these
patients that have like these real like heavy drinking issues,
I mean obviously, I mean, do you have them just
stop cold turkey or is there like a process that
they have to go through to kind of wean themselves
off of it?

Speaker 2 (09:26):
Yeah, there is. You know, usually people are drinking pretty
heavy or using or depressed or have PTSD. So we
like to use what's called a taper. So whether it
be drugs are alcohol, we tape them off. If you
stop cold turkey with drugs, you're not going to die.
It's going to feel like it. You're not going to die.
You've been heavily drinking and stop, there's a ninety percent

(09:46):
chance you're going to die. So I carry people go
what I carry a bottle of vodka in my trunk.
In my three cars, I have a bottle of VODK
and every one st start away in the trunk. And
the reason why I have that is if I pick
an alcoholic coup is going into going into DTS, then
I give him little bits of alcohol. Can we get
into the detox place. So yeah, I mean every everything

(10:08):
that you guys know about addiction is wrong. You've got
this this balancy out there that that this is it
and this is now it's it's not true. It's not true.
So everybody can recover. And when we recover and heal,
the three parts hypothalamis basal, Ganglin and migdala, which differs
from any other person with addiction, which geniuses and we

(10:31):
go on to build empires. We don't. I tell my
patients all the time, don't. And most of my patients
and movie stars, you know, musicians and stuff like that,
the real high profile billionaires and stuff. Although the rest
of my crew and we take care of the other
people obviously like me and you. But yeah, it's we're
either going to build an empire or go away. I
don't want to talk to you anymore because everybody has

(10:53):
the capacity to do this. That's what people. Well, I'm
just no, Well I don't think i'm good enough, somebody's
put that there. Somebody has told you somewhere your childhood trauma,
which is the gateway drug, that you can't do A,
B and C. You know how many times I've been
told I can't do it and do something And my
reply today is the same old thing. He says who,

(11:14):
that's it says, yeah, but it says who. And the
things I've done from home misters to running now, I
run a multi multi million dollar company with five or
six offices around the world. We do TV, we do books,
we do we do all this stuff. It's like, that
is impossible, right, And I go no, or maybe on
the projects. Man, I grew up fighting to stay alive.

(11:37):
I would stab, I would I'm rough as anything. So
if I can do this, you know. And that's the
former we found to get Peel from here.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
To here, right.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
And it's funny because even during some of the research
on it, you used to be a bit heavier set
to you day.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
You I've just lost one hundred and fifty seven pounds. Yeah. Yeah,
I used to be a big party builder back in
the day. And then you know, you get married and
you let things going all of a suddenly, the apple
pie looks better than the salad.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
And hopefully wife's watching this right now, right and.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
I'm sat there with like two million dollars in my
back account. It's like, yeah, I don't really need to
do this, and yeah, three hundred and fifty something.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
Pounds, that's fantastic congratulation.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
Yeah, I just did the same thing as I do
with my patients. I turn the neuroscience around on myself
and I trained because the mind, the subconscious mind, wakes
up in the morning. Yes, And the reason why the
subconscious mind is very, very big in the morning's lack
of oxygen. So when there's lack of oxygen in hypoxic areas,
diseases grow like cancer, Every disease grows in the hypoxy area.

(12:42):
But the subconscious brain thrives in that. So we wake
up in the morning with a subconscious brain because there's
no oxygen between the hours of two and five and
an almost circadian rhythm sleep pattern. It's when our body
is at its lowest, So we get up in the morning,
we try and start our day. Unless you're doing three things,
and one of them includes heavy, heavy breath work to
get the oxygen around every single selling the body, you're

(13:04):
going to walk out with a subconscious mind running your day.
So imagine waking up. This is the subconscious guy. Man,
this guy's watched to fail all the trauma. You can't
do this. This guy wakes us up, man, And by
doing our morning work, what happens is we snap this
guy out and the conscious brain's in there. This guy
can do anything. That mind over matter, mind, energy matter

(13:27):
brain mind of this guy can do everything. And we
go through day and we slay it and we do
amazing things. But you know, we go to sleep. I
have a guess who wakes us up next morning, this guy.
So the twenty four hours a day you hear in
AA is not an AA thing goes proceeds years and
years before that when we found out that per certain
parts of the brain reset. So unless you go through

(13:49):
the kind of routine and move forward every day, we
always have to be improving every single day. You stag nate.
When alcoholics added PTSD depression of trauma, people stuck nate.
They die.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
Let's see it. And I didn't even know about that.
For like the waking up in the morning.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
Wake up, you're just like, you know, I don't know
unless you've got something that you prep yourself on the
next day like vacation, but usually you've got to do
your breath work, teeth work, and mirrow work as we
call it, and you'll slay it. I mean, if not you, who?
If not? Now?

Speaker 3 (14:25):
What right? Evolution?

Speaker 1 (14:28):
You got any questions right now?

Speaker 3 (14:30):
Actually, I got a little background that I want to
bring to the forefront. When I was younger, when my
father was alive, he drank a lot and he also
gambled a lot. So I experienced that young seeing his mistakes.
So I decided when I got going with my life,

(14:52):
I wasn't going to do those things in order to
not be the type of person he was so far,
so good and successful with that, I just don't touch
the stuff. And you know, my life, as far as
what I've done to this point, is so different than

(15:13):
what my father's life was because it was like everything
that he touched with the crap, and in everything that
I touched, you know, I don't I won't say it
turns to gold, but it turns out in a better, better,
positive result. But you said some really interesting things, Rob.

(15:39):
I'm trying to piece it all together here, but you know,
I really like all the knowledge that you've kind of
spewed out so far, and it shows that you've been
doing what you've been you know, do a lot, and
you're very good at it obviously. But I'm thinking here,

(16:05):
when you did the example with the hands, that was
quite interesting. So basically, we all wake up with the
same view when we wake up in the morning, and
we just have to replace that with a positive or

(16:26):
replace it with the direction that we're trying to go.
Is that what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
Yeah, And remember this is subconscious, so we don't wake
up and it's a conscious thing. It's how human beings
with the child of trauma, the investment and the learned behavior.
It's the way we wake up because of our past.
So we have to change that immediately before that starts
going in the day. And we've done plenty of co
researchers on everything that I say. But yeah, it's so true.

(16:55):
But yeah, it's new science, and people don't like new science.
Like when I first in America, they stripped me on
my psychology license because he said what I was teaching
was was you know now that the lineman at the
door for me to teach them right right? You know,

(17:15):
it's true, It's you know when we say no, it's okay,
We're good, you know we I just knew that I
was onto something and people didn't believe. I got laughed at, Guys,
I got laughed at, I got discredited. Every single comment
was bad. But who do you think he is? Is
not a real doctor, is not from England. It's a
piece of shit. I listened and read that for ten years,

(17:36):
but I stayed strong. I stayed strong because I knew
that A and you just said it before. Guys, I've
been through this. There's nothing I haven't been through that.
You tell me, Yeah, but you've not been done it. Yeah,
but done it? Yeah, but yeah, that happened to me. Yeah,
it's like I was taken away through this, this teaching
area to get where I am today. So me and

(17:56):
probably a million guys around the world with me around
track and follow my teachings. Is this is the way out?
Why are we taking medication?

Speaker 3 (18:05):
You know?

Speaker 2 (18:05):
In fact, let's for instance, if I'm depressed, this is
how it goes everywhere in the world. I'm depressed, So
you say to your parent or your spouse, I'm depressed.
Is go to the doctors or go to the doctor
and you're depressed. Here's a pill. It's a false serotonin.
Take the pill and you feel better. How long do
you I have to take the pill for well, for
the rest of your life.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
Okay, placing an addiction right, right, So you've.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
Got a false serotonin that replaces while your own serotonin
is depleted because you're not using it. Why isn't anybody
asking the question why is my serotonin low? In the first?

Speaker 3 (18:41):
Great question?

Speaker 2 (18:42):
Oh Rob? And so what what?

Speaker 1 (18:48):
Okay? So you said you were you were laughed at
with this view? So what is it that triggered you
to realize that the brain was what was causing the
addiction for you?

Speaker 2 (19:00):
Just the fact that I couldn't stop, that I'd lost
my kids and my wife and I everything I on
and I couldn't stop, you know. And when my wife
tried to hide my bottle of vodka, stabbed her three
times in the stomach to get the bottle of vodka.
That's not normal. And people were telling me that we'll
just stop drinking. I couldn't stop. The actual fact when

(19:21):
I was homelessed after about fourteen months, I dropped down
to my hands and knees on the pavement two o'clock
in the morning, pointing down with grain, and I was
sobbing like a baby. Now is the interesting part that
everything had happened. I'd lost everything on the streets for
fourteen months. I wasn't crying because I'd lost everything. I
wasn't crying because I don't see my children, which I
loved daily. I was crying because the first time I

(19:43):
realized I can't stop drinking.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
Wow wow.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
Pay and I had to go through to get there.
When they took my children off me, my authorities, the police,
the mother. I'd kept them for two days and they're
not being fed or changed diapers. I've been drinking vodka
all day on that anyway, they took my This is
what my oldest daughter said at the age of three.
She's walking down the path with holding mommy's hand. Daddy, daddy,
please don't go. And then further down she turn around

(20:12):
and she said, daddy, daddy, please get better. And as
they got to the road, I engage the openness. Well,
I ain't getting to turn around one more time, guys,
he said, daddy, daddy, please stop drinking. M I can't
do it. I can't do it, so don't tell me guys.
You guys, don't tell me it's a choice. Guys listening
to this because I've using alcohol and alcoholism two totally

(20:34):
different things. But if you're an alcoholic and you don't
get help, you're gonna die.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
Well. And from your experience, how many of these people
that come and see you or see you know, fellow
addiction specialists have kind of that turnaround and actually come
out of it. And I mean, is there a rate
certain percentage where they actually just fall back into their
old ways?

Speaker 2 (20:56):
We have now hold on to you, sees, Guys, show
you clear minded. We have a ninety eight percent success
right when the nearest one two is is seven percent.
And we're the only company in the freaking universe that
offers a money back guarantee whilst following our program. When
you leave us, you relapse, our fall back will give

(21:19):
you money back.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
Wow, I heard that isn't heard of. That's insane, that's incredible,
that's incredible. I'm also thinking about a statement that you made,
doctor rab there's no money in recovery, which is how
a lot of businesses, if not most of them, are

(21:41):
close to all of them operate, which is sad. You know,
they don't. They don't treat you to remove the problem
or solve the problem, or in the problem. They treat
you to prolong the problem. What what when you realize that?
Or actually, when did you realize that? And then once

(22:04):
you realized that, what made you decide to be different?

Speaker 2 (22:09):
I realized that kind of because when I was suffering
out into a couple of very expensive treatment centers, and
on the way home, I drank. And then I came
to America, and I'm seeing guys going in the same
treatment center two or three or four times after relapsing.
I'm still paying the twenty grand a month fee. It's like,
I got angry. It's like, what are you teaching in there?
You know what what are you doing? And I I'll

(22:31):
go to any lens to research. I bugged into a
treatment center once as a patient who's relapsed, and the
stuff that we're teaching in there was absolutely trash. This
is what I heard sat in the in the in
the in the group room. Well, first of all, half
of you will be relapsing by time you leave here
in a week's time. Okay, Well that's my subconscious very
telling me I'm okay to relapse and Secondly, let's talk

(22:54):
about relax prevention. You either recover from this stuff or
you don't, and you can follow your quick got nothing
to do with saying you can't. You can't get well
locked up in the treatment cigner for thirty sixty nine days.
When you come back into the real world, smash him
in the face. So I knew I was onto something.
So what we started to do is we bought a
ranch just outside Dallas, and we would bring people there

(23:17):
and we would teach them and change them and change
the ways reprogrammed brains. We have a lot of tools
that we use, and I just I think it was
just the money back guarantee that freaks people out. Scott,
how can you do that?

Speaker 3 (23:30):
Well?

Speaker 2 (23:31):
Remember what five years ago when I came to you
to try and go away, go away. I don't need you,
you need me, and I'm not for sale. Right now,
We've turned so many people down. I turned a famous
pop singer down in Dallas, Texas for a million dollars
and I had that twound the dollars in the back,
four hundred dollars. I can't remember, but she wasn't ready

(23:52):
and I'm not going to take you and I think
when you stick, if you have a guard or universe
or Uncle Jimmy up there. I think, if you do
the right thing to be repaid. And I always thought
that just like everyone else in the early days, it's
all about the money, because I was never validated by
my father no matter how many bodybuilding trophies I brought
home more Karatei trophies I brought home, and never was.

(24:13):
So my crew to him is if I could buy
that new roll choice or eventually, or if I could
live in that million dollars outs, if I could just
get fifty grand in the bank check it was just
get one hundred check, just get a million checks, it
just get ten million checks. It was never good enough.
And it was only two years ago I realized that
I need to start looking after me, not other people

(24:36):
chasing the money. So you know, that's what we did.
I was more than that. I spent about ten years ago.
What I did to counteract that was twenty five percent
of our work as pro Bona, and me and my
wife every year give one hundred and fifty thousand dollars
back back into the community to have our own money.

(24:56):
Then we've just started the Rob Kelly Foundation to do
the same. So a long winded answer guys is if
you know your ship and you keep giving back and
you don't believe what you I've never I will never
watch this podcast. I've never watched any podcast and never
watched me on Oprah, never watched me on all the
other shows have been on. Never read my book because

(25:17):
I might start believing that ship and I've got I've
got no you know that's not for me.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
I do what I do.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
I give back as much as I can. Every time
I leave the house, I bless someone in monetary. It
warms my heart. And God's allowed me to do this.
It's not my money, it's his money. So I think
once you stay in with people, good people around you,
you know, not not the people that if people are
not lifting you up on a daily basis, get them out.
You know you have no don't be around and watch

(25:44):
for this guy. You know, Hey, Robie, I think you're
putting a bit away on. Don't john joking. It's got
to go right that guy. And I look for these
guys who act like a victim and a problem that
they created. That's so powerful. When I heard that, it's
like if I if my friend calls me up tonight.

(26:05):
Oh my god, Oh my god, the taxis broke down.
When I'm five am. I've got an airport for five
I'll do it. Yeah, mister, please, I'll do it. I
used to be like, so I get there, but I'm
a bit late because of the traffic early in the morning,
and all of a sudden, I get into the airport
and were lake and he misses his plane. Who does
he blame to help him? Boundaries are very very important

(26:30):
to me. He don't play the airline or I was
doing trying to do your fake. So I stopped people
pleasing and I stopped voluntary for stuff. My boundaries are
very clear. I have three people on my own circle,
and I've got rid of those negative people. I don't
listen to him. I don't hang around them. Show me
your friends, I'll show you your future.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
It's crazy that you mentioned that, because because I, you know,
I got married. My family didn't care for my wife.
She did nothing wrong. I had fun when I met
my wife. Had five warrants out for my arrest from
stupid shit that I did back when I was like
eighteen nineteen years old. But I never cared to take
care of it right. So then we, you know, we
get married. We're playing on having kids. She's like, well,

(27:10):
I'm not marrying you unless we get this taken care of.
For some reason, my family hated that idea. I cut
all of them out. I'm doing a lot better. I
got a great credit score, I've got two kids. You
know life, I mean, we're happy. And I couldn't be
happier with that, with cutting all that negative out of
my life.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
Noise, yeah's noise around you, and people do want to
use to want you. You know, you've got to hang
around we We are learned behavior people. So other people
dealers around us. The mirroring part of brain will pick
that up, no matter how absurd it is. So if
we've got friends around us, I don't want any again,
we'll pick that tray up and again, to emphasize this,

(27:52):
we we brought ten people into our waiting room, just
like no I'm credit a waiting I paid nine actors
and you're gonna love this if you understand learn behavior.
I paid nine actors to comment. And here was the deal.
I had one patient comming. I had no idea, you know,
kind of a friend, kind of a patient. They came
in there was ten people every minute. Ah, we pressed

(28:14):
a buzzer and the nine actors stood up and you
could see the woman looking around, and then they sat
down again. All nine stood up and he looked around,
and then one patient and I was of her. They
all stood up. On the fourth am she stood up.
We had no idea why she's doing it. So she

(28:35):
stood up, which was like, oh, they're brilliant. So we
called the patients one by one until she was left
on her own in the waiting room. She stood up.
Now can you imagine the people you hang around with,
they were bad news. You're gonna take not even know
why you're doing it, but you're gonna take that on.
So when people entrepreneurs come to me and said, well,
I'm only here, I'm only here in half a million,

(28:56):
I can't get any because you're hanging around the people
with the mind, said that you're not a million dollar mind.
How can you have a million dollar mind when you're
hanging around ten cent people?

Speaker 1 (29:06):
You can't do that, you know, it's so huge.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
People that I've been through, okay, right, might drop people
that I've brought up with. I can go back and
help them, guys, But I can't live there. I can't
live there anymore. Stop hanging around. Ten set minds were
born with a million dollar minds right now, learned behavior.
We got a thousand fleas in a mason jar to
put holes in the top. We screwed down. We left

(29:30):
them in for three days. Okay, again, learn behavior. After
three days we took it off. Now flees can jump
three or four feet in the air. Got one flea
jure higher than where the cat was interested. But we
left it there and they had babies in that jar,
and the babies want jump higher than where the cat was.
And they've never even seen that cat.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
Yeah, it's because it's trained. It's just the mind, right.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
It's so. My dad's a gas man, and my dad
he's on the doll of My dad's getting benefits and
he's drinking every day. Really, if a daughter is in
a house or young daughter, see his dad coming home
a couple of nights a week, drunk out of his head,
beating in a fistfight with mom. With the energy and
the learned behavior and the vestment of mom, she's going
to go out and attract the same guy and beats

(30:19):
her up and ends up drinking too much to the extent,
and we've traced and tractors to the extent that if
she meets a good guy, she will self sabotage that relationship.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
Oh man, you know, doctor, I'm here some great things
right now, But what you just said about how the
woman self sabotages the relationship with the good guy.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
I think I might have been involved in that because
I did, you know, everything I could to try to
make a happy life and make things go well. No
matter what I did, there was something that the other
person did to counteract that. So eventually, of course it

(31:14):
didn't didn't work, and I didn't realize what I'd gotten
into because not only the ex, but like a lot
of people that the X was tied to were that
way as well. So I noticed it. Once I did
make the hard decision to remove myself from all those people,

(31:41):
that's when things really started to happen. So you definitely
have strong true points that's going on, and I've already
lived that, so I know you're telling some real, factual truth.
So I appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
I do gotta say you. So you moved here from
from the UK or and then I've had people on
from around the world. And one thing I've heard from
people outside looking at our country is that we are
all about promoting drugs and medication. Have you seen that
there's more of an issue here in the States rather

(32:19):
than around the world.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
What a great question, What a great question. There's two
people that rule this country, and it's not the government.
It's the food industry and the pharmaceutical industry. So a
food interestry gets us sick of anyway you buy is
fall with you know, rancid oils and all sorts of
crap that's bad for us. And what happens is when

(32:42):
the food is as bad it is, and it has
been for probably eighty years. This is what's happening with
human beings today. We got to the supermarket and we
buy food, and we don't know what we're buying. Most
most stuff you're buying a supermarket isn't real food. Like
the ice creaming. Look at the stuff the ice cream.
Look at he says ice cream on it. We won't
say it'll make up you know, crazy words. Okay, So

(33:04):
this is what happens. So my dad has heart disease. Okay,
So I grew up in a house with the staple
diet that Mom and Dad provided for us. And I
leave the house and I kind of stick to the
staple diet, and then what happens. I get heart disease.
So what I'm saying is, hey, I've caught it this generic.
I've cut it off Dad. It's biologically impossible. This is
what happens. There's a certain gene or protein or food

(33:27):
protein of food, sorry that Dad can't methilate in the
diet that they're eating. He doesn't know. This is the chips,
so whatever fries it, he loves it. He doesn't know
there's a certain protein or metal or food he can't metalate.
When he can't methilate a certain protein of food, there
becomes a deficiency in that area. That deficiency causes the cancer,
causes the heart problems, causes the inflammation. Because I stick

(33:49):
on the same I do the same. My genians are
almost like my dad's. So I have heart disease. So
that's the problem with the food. And then so what
happens is the food industry keeps us sick. We go
to the doctor, and the pharmaceutical companies of God, I
ask people all of the time, have you ever taken
a medication from the doctor that you've taken has cured

(34:09):
your illness and you don't have to take over again.
The answer is no, what pharmacies. If you are on
for life, that's it you've done. And most of the
stuff that you take is bad for you. Everything you
put in your mouth as a side effects, right, you know,
it's just yeah, so we have a big problem. Yeah,
and when the pharmacis in cooked, suitle companies are paying

(34:29):
the doctors, you know, to promote adderall was one of
those things that we got caught. Then you know we're
in a bad way. I was on I was on
with the CEO of Purdue and the head of their
head attorney on a live TV I don't know how
many years ago, but I went off on them, telling

(34:50):
them the truth, and the very next day, swearing my
children's life, they file for bankruptcy. I don't I don't
take any ship. Guys. If anybody you know, I'm not
for sale. I say things that other people wish they
could say, and only thinking what you're going to do
to me? And my answer is always is why did
you do that? You took a chance that died twice

(35:12):
on the streets of Manchester. Are you going to do
to me that I haven't already done to myself?

Speaker 3 (35:17):
Right?

Speaker 1 (35:18):
Well, when I think that that personal experience kind of
helps to drive you too, right, I mean, yeah, definitely,
it's it's it's an incredible story, like it really is.
And I think that we all have. I feel like
a lot of people have addicted personalities to something. I mean,
if you walk down the street right now, how many
people are staring at their phones? It's just you know

(35:40):
that mindset. Yeah, So it's very obvious if if technology
shut down today and electricity and I was, how many
people would wouldn't be able to survive or go.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
We did we did heavy research around COVID and when
and when we found out that this people death row,
which were allowed to go in and monitor ninety percent
were insane by the time they get to the chair.
Why were they insane? They took their identity off them
and they isolated and batter what he would do with COVID.
We took people's identity off then, and we kept them isolated.

(36:17):
When the liquor store keeps open for business because it's
classed as an essential business, we're not. We're in trouble.
So the backlash from that, we've seen about two percent,
right now, two percent? All's you got to do? And
I tell this to people who are always have the phone.
I can't understand drug addicts. I can't stand alcoholics. Okay,
well give me your phone and I'm going to put

(36:38):
it on the table over here. And every time you
look at the phone thinking I wish I could use it,
that's what a drug addicts like. Well, you're not playing
games with this ship. You know this is not true,
But you see, I do myself. What's my phone? What's
my phone? I left my phone in a bathroom of
a restaurant. Was you would have thought you'd taken my
heart out, you know. And that's what people are that

(37:00):
people cannot communicate. Young kids have no social skills, you know.
Back in the day, I mean everyone's keyboard happy now warrior,
you know, I'll say that you're a piece of crabbing. Yeah,
in my day, you've got punching them out.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
For that, right.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
People have no consequences, you know, you don't have any anymore.
Say anything. They want a locker Robbie, do you think
he is? I'll say you the guys I have a
freaking multi millionaire. If from coming from homelessness, that's what?
How what are you doing with your life?

Speaker 1 (37:27):
I know why?

Speaker 2 (37:30):
So how many?

Speaker 1 (37:32):
It's how many these people that you you've treated not
only come to you with an alcohol addiction, but probably
an addiction to other medication because they went and saw
their people.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
Well, when we look at our record, and we did
this about six months ago, uh well, let's take let's
take heroin addiction. Ninety of people that came to us
with a staunch heroin addiction started in the doctor's office.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
Wow, because they needed something more, because it wasn't doing
it for him right.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
And because you know, when all of a sudden you're
getting these heavy medication, the dots has to cut you off.
Sooner related he's going to get investigated, cuts you off,
go to the streets. Yep.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
Well yeah, and even then, like I think there are
people who have medical issues that need certain medicines. Yes,
I think that they're giving these two other people for
no reason. But then the pharmacy, we've ran into issues
where the pharmacy is like, well, we hit our cap
for the month, I can't give it to you anymore.
So there's people that need it. And then there's people

(38:32):
that just yeah, have that.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
Addictive add ADHD. I think it was four letters of
so many pots together one night when they were drunk.
Because if you have ADHD, if you really have it,
I don't call it attention deficit. I call it attention overload, okay,
because their mind's done. Very smart people. So if you're
taking admirle, it gives you a high to stay up

(38:54):
all night. You haven't got adhd. ADHD calms you down.
Five percent of people that are ADHD and not ADHD.
There was a time in Texas, Texas you could for
England in Texas like ten times Texas you couldn't. You
couldn't find an addible pill because they've drawn out. There
was weeks and weeks back lads from prescriptions. You couldn't cash.

(39:17):
Tell me that's about ADHD, or tell me it's about
the trillions of dollars to get from.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
That, right, that's insane. Well, and then you hear these
people who have like this zombie state of mind when
they take medication too, and so it kind of it's
really restricting you from your full potential. Correct man, And because.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
See the brain doesn't know the difference between pharmaceutical drugs
and street drugs. So if you got to your doctor
and he puts you in a black box medicine, for instance,
and you feel zombied out, but you go, hey, the
doctor gave it to me. It's like doctors don't know
shit about addictionar galis and depression PT and they don't
know nothing. There is no training in the world during

(39:59):
their nine years of medical school and whatever that talks
to us about addiction. Nothing. There's not all childhood behavior.
If you're going to the doctor, okay, and and you're
saying you're depressed, and he's writing you out of prescription
for depressed men without asking you what you dies like,
how much exercise do you get? What's your fresh air?
Do you do any ground? If he's not asking them questions, guys,

(40:22):
well guess what you've got a high paid drug dealer.
That's all you have in your.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
House, right, I don't know, right, evolution get questions, uh,
mostly responses. I mean, this is great. I'm glad I
decided to join you today. So so basically, you know,
in a nutshell, doctors are the cause of addiction.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
They're not with then a major course of addiction when
when addiction. Alcoholism an addiction is the third leading cause
or preventative death. Then you know, we got problem.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
And why is it legalized? Like that's another thing, like
why do we allow it to just be legal.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
So people people you know lovying parties, they may get
paid sixty seventy grand a year to lovey something. When
you're getting paid billions and billions of dollars a year
to make sure this gets past. When you're putting a
medication through with four or five weeks COVID shots research,
you know, when you're paying off people to make sure
that these this medication goes through. We're we're in a

(41:32):
multi trillion dollar game. People die or this shit. People
would go missing because they put up a fence against this.
This is not I've worked with the government. I've worked
with very high profile people in the government, and I've
seen people disappear trying to stand up to these guys.
When I did that interview with Perdue, I knew there
was going to be a hit on me or something somehow.
Then there was a bit of bad press from nowhere,

(41:52):
the medical ural or something like that. We wiped it out,
But yeah, I'm you know, maybe one of these days,
I'll get taken out, but I'll tell you what. I'm
going to do a lot damage before I do, because
I don't report to anybody anymore. You know, I don't
have to follow the rules. I just tell the truth.
I could do a TikTok every morning. He and people
are mesmerized by what I'm saying, is like, how could

(42:14):
you say this? And You've got to be careful your life.
I died twice on the streets in Manchester. What are
you going to do to me? I don't understand. I
don't understand where youre fit. What you're gonna do to me.
You're going to you know, the gound and fight me.
That's a certain I'm like, you're six to three year olds,
but I will put you on your ass without you blinking.
Man strong, and then I'm fighting every single day, you know, practicing.
It's like, you can't do that. What are you gonna do? Verbally?

(42:36):
On internet? Do what you got to do?

Speaker 3 (42:38):
Guys.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
But you're right, You're right, You're right. I mean social
media has definitely and I think social media has caused
a lot of like depression and children too huge and
because of the back lash and the commentary I mean,
you see teenagers out there with like thousands or millions
of followers and like all they need is their phone.

(42:59):
They don't they don't need schooling, they don't need an education.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
And then what happens is if you're going to bed
at nighttime and the last thing you look at is
your Facebook for instance, okay, and you go to bed,
you get next morning, there's five no likes or comments.
That a bag that's just ruined your day. That's some
programmed your day to be shipped, no matter what happened.
Because I did this experient on myself, I spoke in
California twelve thirteen years ago a thousand people. At the end,

(43:24):
they said, give two hours so you can shake hands
with everybody. I nine hundred and ninety nine guys said
you were mind blowing and one guy said you allowed
you were you were misinformed. I just think you were terrible.
Have a guess who. I concentraight off for the next
three month and then relapsed the one guy one. And
that's the reason for that. With the subconscious brain, there's

(43:45):
a reason why we do that. It comes from childhood
and we figured that out. But yeah, it's that's why
you gotta be careful. He's surrounded by Don't look at
the me. If you're trying to build an empire, don't
don't listen to what people say. Get three or four
good people around you. Was telling you all that's time.
You're doing great Joman, and also tell you on that
bullshit as well, Like I got guys around you'll tell
me straight away. I did a studio in Paramount, and

(44:08):
now they provide everything for you, you know, chauffeurs, private
planes and everything. And I came off and I said
to one of my guys, where's my chauffeur? And he
literally slapped me in the face. And I was stopped,
and nobody's ever slapped in the face. And he just
looked to him and he said, if I ever hear
you say that again, Rob, our friendship is over. Because
I'll tell you something right now. It's not your freaking chauffeur.
You're blessed to be here. Don't ever think you're betten

(44:30):
anybody else. And it's a big lesson for me, you know,
because when you started getting up paid financially, which I
always thought would make me happy. Right like this post
biggest house but expensive, fifty grand role like you. I
thought that no, no, no, no no. When I found
out that happiness was an inside job and he stopped
my job to make my wife happy, it was a

(44:51):
big eye open for me and money. It's great. I've
lived poor and I've been rich. Don't get me wrong,
I choose richie every time. Yeah, it's about your happiness,
you know, And you cannot change if you're listen. If
you're a dick when you broke, you're gonna be a
dick when you're rich. You're a nice person, You're gonna
be a nice person when you're rich. Just cane you.

(45:11):
You know, my past can't define me today. Stay away
from the preprial. Let's got a problem for every solution.
Stay away from that.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
Guys man, do you think that with we talked about
money here, so let's get on that for a second
before we start kind of wrap this up. Do you
think that the way that things are priced and the
way that the cost of living has caused people to
kind of go into a depressive state and into like
an alcoholic, you know, addiction. Because I see a lot

(45:39):
of people that turn to it and they get upset
because I can't provide for my kids, or my family.
I mean, obviously that's a choice, but do you think
that there are things in society that are kind of
causing people to kind of steer that way.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
So I've done literally thousands of these I'm on Joe Rogan,
I think six weeks time. I mean, I've done it
very experience in this stuff. I have never heard such
an intelligent question as that. What great question? What a
great The answer is, yeah, of course, because when people
get to the point that the count they can't go,

(46:15):
then overload says it, what's what's the quickest way to
get away from you? Alcohol, drugs? What's the best way
to give jump into that depression that nothing's ever going
right for you? It's it's not true, guys. If you're
sat at home and you're going through this, if you're
a good woman, the wife, the husband has left you
and you sat there with two kids in a one bedroom,
broken apartment, this is not your lot. This is a

(46:36):
teaching period for you. It's not your lot. You can
become anything or anybody you want to be. And you know,
people I used to say the years ago, and people
used to go, well, I can't be president of the
United States. Let's forget the political views for a second. Okay,
we had a freaking businessman running the country with no
political experience whatsoever. Don't dare tell me that you can't

(47:00):
achieve your dreams. It's just that true and actual facts.
I want to apologize to you. Somebody's put that there.
The mind is so powerful that you can achieve anything
that you want to achieve. So the husband's that good
rhythms to him, I say, start that little you've got
too little babies at home, Start making babies stuff. Get

(47:20):
on the internet, start getting a few business cards. You know,
get a normal job. If you've got a job you hate.
If you're going if you're counting off the you know,
the Wednesday it's hum day and the TGI fra, you
need another job. If you're going on the midnight and
the wife or the husband and you're walking on eggshaills
and you you need another wife. It's not really that
It really is that easy. Why do we stay in

(47:43):
relationships way too long when it's hurts us. Why don't
we go to a job for eight hours a day,
walking on the same carpet with people we hate? Why
we get another job or shut up? That's a that's
an excuse. Give you one reason why you can't do it, Well,
shut up. That's you can't give me one reason why

(48:06):
you can't do this, and the only reason you have.
Look at the first billionaire author JK. Rowling. How many
times she was turned down with children on benefits because
her husband said she was a piece of crap and
she'll never imagine anything. And she kept on going and
kept on going, She kept on. The only result is
is you'll finally succeed. Look how many times the Beatles

(48:28):
were turned down. Man, they were told by one record producer,
you will never make a record because you can't sing,
you can't play bass, your drummers. They told them that.
You know, start the empire with the belief. If you're
not if you're not thinking the best thing world anything,
go drink. If you don't think your life's better than
you can count help, go drink. What's the point of

(48:50):
being here? You are going through this for a reason.
You were put on this earth for a reason. What
is your niche? What were you put on this earth for?
Was it to make baby socks for little babies? If
that's it, create that fricking empire and call yourself the
best in the world. I have a business cards, you know,
understud on the back. The best addictionologist in the world,
the best because once you start that mindset, other people

(49:13):
job on that mindset, and then he becomes a working
part of the brain. When it becomes a working part
of the brain, it's reality. The brain doesn't have a
difference between real and false. The brain doesn't know that
when you watch a sad movie or are scary, you're
scared out your shitless. Man, it doesn't know the difference.
So why not walk in the light. Why not walk
as if you're already a millionaire, as if your company's

(49:36):
already doing one hundred million dollars a year. Start walking, acting,
walk out and getting that broken down car. But it's
cost about two hundred dollars. But pretend you're getting in
a Bentley and start calling and get ridous people around you. Man,
I don't want you to fail. And there's always one
family or friends has always one the ways to fail.
Seek out who that is. Watch with the guys, not

(49:56):
applauding when you win something, and life will become amazing.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
Boom, oh my god, oh my god.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
That's a hell of an episode right here.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
Guys, man, this is awesome.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
Dude.

Speaker 3 (50:08):
I'm so glad I tuned in. Yeah, doctor Rob, really
appreciate you.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Man.

Speaker 3 (50:14):
Keep doing what you're doing. You're awesome. We need way
more people like yourself. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
Yeah, and I and I I do.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
I want to kind of put the emphasis on what
you just said, not that I mean yours your voices. Yeah,
I mean, thank you, That's all I gotta say. But
I've been around so many people who have different different
forms of addiction, and I've seen it and I've experienced it.
Do I have an addiction? I have an addiction to
doing this.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
I love what I do. I love, you know, being
on here and meeting people like you and having this
experience and just getting to hear these kind of stories
because if anything just validates, you know, my views on
these things. And I think living through it does kind
of help. So maybe those people who have fallen into
it that didn't live it, it might be a little
bit harder for them to understand. But you know, I

(51:03):
think it's just a matter of pushing through it and
find the resolution instead of just dwelling on what's what's
there and what's causing you to be the way you are.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
I think I'll finish on this. The thing is that
you don't know what people are going through. Man. Okay,
So there's a guy that walks the Golden gate Bridge
through himself far killed himself. He made suicide, young kid.
The police pulled him out, they found his idea on him,
went back to the apartment looking for next of kid.
Well they found was a letter on the kitchen table
and it read I'm going to watch the Golden gate

(51:34):
Bridge off from myself and commit suicide. Unless on the
way there, which was an hour, somebody smiles at me,
says hello or good morning. In that case, I'll stop
right there, I'll turn around and I'll try again. Question you,
guys listening to this, how many people have you walked
past today? Who's heading to the Golden gate Bridge?

Speaker 3 (51:55):
Hmm? Wow, so many?

Speaker 1 (52:00):
And I've heard that too, Like the smile Like there's
a smile creator response in the brain.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
And listen, if you're guys, if you don't think this
is true, when you're in a built up airy of people,
look for somebody with sneakers. This is always the best. Okay,
walking towards you, nice thing says two words nice sneakers
or even three nice sneakers. Man, whatever it is. Oh,
thank you man, what past turn around watching? It's gonna
look down at his sneakers at least two maybe three times. Okay,
so now you've just changed his whole world. But guess

(52:29):
what when he goes home to the girlfriend or wife
because he's in a good movie. Now she's in a
good mode. Then the mother in law calls, nice sneakers,
don't be released into your brain. Don't be released into them.
You've just changed the world.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
Man.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
You don't think where it's powerful? No, we are. I
don't let anybody tell you different. Were this powerful?

Speaker 1 (52:52):
Guys, Doctor Rob Keilly, I appreciate you coming on today.
Thank you so much. I would love to have you
on again, maybe to talk about some things in the future.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
Maybe I love this podcast.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
Thank you so much, and again I'll send you your
I guess do you want links all this stuff or no?

Speaker 2 (53:11):
Yeah? Sure, I mean we love it, you know, but yeah,
it's just come find you, guys. We'll message you and
you know if listen if I love this show, okay,
thank you, I really do. I don't often say this,
I mean I really do. I love you guys and stuff.
If you're listening and you're that person in that broken
down apartment when everyone else's left you and there's nowhere
else to go and you're thinking of coming in suicide,

(53:31):
I'll wait to text me.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
Man.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
Two one four six zero zero zero two one zero
is my personal cell phone number. Text me whenever I'll
get a minute. Because I'm obviously busy, I'll text you back.
And this is what's going to happen. We're going to
range a time where I call you and I'm going
to give you a twenty minute pet talk that will
change your life. And do you know if it doesn't, guys,

(53:54):
I'll send you one hundred dollars for wasting your time.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
Wow, another mic drop.

Speaker 3 (54:01):
Man, all right, I belie before you end this. Actually, uh,
this is literally the first time that I've just benefited
from being on a podcast. Usually I'm the one that's
giving information to help people out and make their life better. Uh, dude,

(54:21):
this is this is great. This is fantastic. Thank you
so much, doctor Rob.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
Of course, Man, thank you, all right, thank you so much.
We'll be in touch, doctor Rob. And to everybody that's listening,
you're going to listen later We appreciate you guys, and
we'll see around.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
Take care,