Where we've been, and where we're going...

We have some 'splaining to do... here's what we've been up to this summer.

Episode Transcript

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All right, welcome back to statusspending, Scott Fuller and hither rights.
Just to remind you that basically we'realive. Spouses have not done away with
us yet yet. This is likea really awkward thing for me because I
feel like I owe explanation and apologiesnot just to the audience, but to

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you and to everybody really in thewhole world. But what I thought was
going to be a kind of aseamless quick life transition actually went fairly seamlessly.
But there's no such thing in memoving and you have your own stuff
going on, and we just havecompletely fallen out of the case a week

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routine that we've been in, toour credit, I guess for over two
years at this point, and we'vebeen doing it for five if that's honestly
possible. Yeah, it's unbelievable.So I guess on the one hand,
we were due for a break,but we also didn't really give any warning
really, and we didn't anticipate iteither. Didn't anticipate it wasn't planned.

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Very little communication between the two ofus in the last several weeks. So
I think we owe as Ricky Ricardosaid, I think we have some splining
to do. So where do youwant to start? I don't know how
to do this, I feel,I mean, I could let out all
my baggage first to get on.Let's unload the baggage, plaie, sure,

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okay, okay. Yeah. Soat the beginning of the summer,
I mean, you know, typicalsummers, and you know, at our
age range, if you will,friends and family start getting married and having
babies and all of that stuff.Right, So two of my very very
best friends ended up getting married inthe same month, a week apart,

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so they had, you know,their bachelor bachelorette stuff, and then of
course the weddings, the showers,all that stuff. So it was kind
of all at the very beginning ofthe summer. And then I had a
trip with my sister out of state, and then came back from that,
had some other stuff going on withmy stepdaughter and like her school, different
things, different summer things because she'shome for the summer, And then went

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on a couple of other trips,one where my husband and I finally got
to go on a trip together,which has never happened just the two of
us, so that was long overdue. We went to Vegas, together,
so that was fun. Yeah,and then I went and visited one of
my other co hosts, but alsobefore that, she was my best friend,

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so Brittany up in Michigan, sothat was fun. Jason had to
go with me for that as well. So we've just had like a lot
of back to back stuff lately,no really downtime. And the downtime that
we did have, we had familyfunctions, you know, the typical birthdays
and different things like that. Iswear to you, Scott, I think

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I've swam five times this year totalin your pool, in the bed,
in my own pool, in mybackyard. Yeah, like, we don't
have time for anything right now.And actually, you know, going into
this weekend, I was telling youearlier that we're moving my stepdaughter back into
college because she's starting a couple ofweeks early to do like stem start I

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guess what they call it, becauseshe's smart and all that good stuff.
So she's moving in early. Andthen next week the podcast festival. So
yes, lots and lots and lotsof stuff. This summer, it just
flew right by. I mean,I love Fall, I can't wait for
it, but I kind of wishthere was more summer because it's gone already.
Yeah, yeah, a lot ofstuff. So obviously I've had a

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lot of stuff going on to Aroundabout April, I decided that after fifteen
years, I was done with acurrent job that I was doing back in
Minnesota. Before I go any further, I thought, I heard something on
the roof, and it's not Christmastime. Actually, we're having our roof
replaced, and I've done this oncebefore. I don't know if you ever

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have, but we also have alarge roof right now, I guess.
But there's no reason why it's takensince Monday that I can think of.
But they are still banging away atthe roof, so you will hear clitter
clatter of something on the roof,I'm sure, and God knows whatever other
noises are going to come. I'mvery out of my element right now because
I'm in a different office. We'rein the new house, which I'll get

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to going back in a minute,but just getting used to everything. I
have not recorded like this in thishouse, in this room, so I
don't know what's going to happen.And my mom is in from Colorado right
now. She's got in about twohours ago, and my kids are home
because school's not back yet, sothere's a lot that you may hear.

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There's a lot of surprises coming up. So anyway, going back on in
April, I decided that I haddone his job for fifteen years and I
was just about done. Really,the whole reason I got into podcasting and
football coaching and everything else that Iwas doing is because I was bored with
my I had it so down thatI could just almost, you know,

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without half my brain, clock in, clock out, get it done,
and then I was left wanting somethingelse. My wife is from this town
that we lived in in Minnesota.My kids were both born there. I
met her the first week I movedfrom Wyoming in two thousand and nine two
Minnesota, and that was fifteen yearsago. So it was basically a time

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for me when I thought I'm eithergoing to do this for another fifteen like
this, which would have been fine. The job was fine, the kids
had grown up there, they wereborn there, my wife was from there.
But I'm not like that. I'myou know, if if I'm bored,
I'm not okay, I guess psychologically, So over the course of a

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couple of years, this idea ofme coming back to do a similar the
exact same job basically that I wasdoing in Minnesota, but with some people
I knew here in Wyoming. Hadbeen kind of percolating and we'd play with
the idea, we'd like look athouses and imagine, but we'd never actually

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do it. And for whatever reason, after the first of the year,
probably February ish, I got seriousabout it. I don't know what it
was, but I got serious aboutit mentally, and between February March and
April I quit my job started commuting, as you know, from Minnesota to

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Wyoming, and it was very openended where I could commute theoretically for months
years from Minnesota and for a varietyof different seasons, including what my wife
obviously wanted to do in the longterm, wasn't just me. We decided

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that before this school year, thisfall would be the time to move,
and that did kind of happen kindof quickly, as I think you noted
at the time, where we gotto like May or June, and all
of a sudden, we have tobuy and sell a house. So we
did that and it went as smoothlyas it could have. But it's all
encompassing, like somewhere in the backof my mind, I had this idea

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that we could still do episodes everyweek or every other week or some kind
of schedule, and moving an entirehouse full of the crap that we had
acquired in fifteen years into a truckwhich I had to drive all the way
here and unloading it, and buyinga new house, and in the meantime
looking probably at like twenty different propertieshere when I was in town anyway long.

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And the short of it is,we are now full time, non
state tax paying residence of Wyoming asof probably I think two or three weeks
ago, and we're fully unpacked,we are fully moved in to the new
house, and my wife is nowshe's at work right now starting her job
teaching, and I've been working sinceApril remotely, but I'm now full time

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here, and so far it isa good decision, and it's only starting
to set in right now. Hownuts that decision kind of was. It
didn't occur to me at the time, And there's a lot that could have
gone wrong that I think normal peoplethink about before they do these things,

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and I guess I can't, butnone of that has happened. My wife
enjoys her job more so far myjob is with no offense to anyone who
happens to be listening, who Iknow from my work in Minnesota. It's
just a better fit for me.Obviously. The kids have to start their

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new school year next week and makefriends and all that, so it's a
work in progress. But I finallyjust in the last couple of days,
have my feet under me where Ican start thinking about all my other cases
and our podcast and my life asI knew it back there. So anyway,
we're here. It's been pretty muchNonStop since mid May through now to

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get here, but we did it. Yeah, And I mean, I'm
glad to hear that though, becauseit was, or at least it seemed
like it to me. It waskind of like a spur of the moment
thing. But I know that youhad been talking about things for a while,
about wanting something new and all thatstuff, so I'm really glad that
it all worked out. But whenyou said most people think about everything that

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could happen beforehand, you're exactly right. Have you met me? Like I
overthink at all? And I'm like, help, I could die in all
these different ways, so I'm notgoing to do that, but I feel
exactly where you're coming from, whereyou needed that that newness. So I
mean your kids luckily or young enoughto make new friends and probably enjoy this

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journey and not get too upset aboutlike missing out or missing friends too much,
I feel like at that age.But yeah, I think it'll be
fun, especially since your wife isalready enjoying her job too. Yeah,
and that was a big I didn'teven realize that until she went to her
first day of pre teacher new teachertraining. And it wasn't until that morning

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is she was going off to work, and I was like, this could
go real wrong, like what ifshe hates it? And so she got
home that day and understanding again,she's never lived anywhere else. She's been
to some other places, but she'snot exceptionally well traveled, and she's had
one hometown and now one school districtfor a long time. But she's been
a teacher and all I asked,well, how to go, and she

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didn't have one bad thing to sayabout anything. There are a lot of
things that she liked a whole lotbetter, and so yeah, that's another
thing they could have gone extraordinarily wrong, and I guess my thinking I'm the
whole thing. Not to get toodeep, but people who I knew,
my friends, as some of myco workers expressed, when it was clear

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I was actually going to do this, they said, well, what if
something goes wrong? Yeah, whatif you have this security? And my
point to them was, none ofus have that security. I mean,
you could be somewhere for fifteen yearsand the company gets sold tomorrow and it
wouldn't matter. It's a perceived securitythat we have and as long as you

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try to make a little smart decisionsalong. Though I did think it out
really thoroughly, but I didn't thinkabout honestly, I didn't think seriously about
what happens when she's comes home.My wife comes from crying after her first
day and she because she absolutely hatesher life and this new job is terrible,

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and didn't But you can't foresee halfof that stuff. But I do
think that's what keeps us from makingmost people from making those life decisions.
I'm not saying I'm not recommending itnecessarily, but I've never been afraid to
just pull up and try something else. This was on a whole other level.

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Because of the kids and the housesand all the other property and all
that stuff. But it worked outfine. I think you just have to
go with your gut at every step. Yeah, I'm learning that. I'm
learning that within the last few years, Like you just gotta go for what
feels right. But I don't know. I wish I was more like I'm

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usually the person who's very spontaneous,and I'm like, yeah, I want
to do that. Yeah, Iwant to do that adrenaline rush thing.
I want to zip line all this, I want to do all that stuff.
But when it comes to big decisionslike that, I think I overthink
things too much and I worry aboutall the negatives that could come or all
the bad that could come of it. And then I'm like, well,

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I'll just wait it out until orunless, and then, you know,
just not happy about things. Youknow, a lot of people are happy
just staying and that's I empathize withthat too a little bit. I definitely
understand that. But I'm not thatway and I never have been that way.
I never would have lived in Minnesotawhere not for my job. I'm

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also a very loyal person to projectsand employers and things like that. So
I never would have left. Yeah, And it just I honestly, I
was more familiar with this place andeven the building that I work in now,
because I had vacationed here last summer. Last July and my friend who
works here, a very good friendfor many years, who still works here,

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showed me the building and I lookedaround and I just thought, these
people are happy I work with.Again, no offense to anybody who I
worked with in the past, butthe vibe is very different, extremely different.
The building is nicer. I don'twork in an old World War two

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bomb shelter in the middle of acornfield Iowa. No offense. Iowa Love
Iowa. But you drive out oftown and you're in the mountains, and
I'm from the mountains. And thatwas the other thing for me, because
my life kind of reset the weekI moved from Wyoming to Minnesota. And
it's my wife's hometown, my familyand to my wife to some extent,

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but definitely my kids. There's likethis whole half of them that they don't
have because of where they grew upand where we raise them. And it
was all my wife's side of things, and it's a whole other exposure that
I have to a different part ofthe country that they don't have. And
that's also I think part of thereason why I wasn't afraid to do it,

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because I've done it several times before, not like this now with a
family and houses and mortgages and everythingelse. But I do think at the
end of the day, I guesswhat made up my mind is if it
doesn't work and we end up backin Minnesota or somewhere else anywhere but Ohio.
If we end up somewhere else ouch. I mean, I don't blame

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you, but ouch, I'm surethere are nice parts of Ohio. I
just have never seen them. All. It's all cornfields. Basically, it's
not much to look at. Butin all seriousness, if it doesn't work
out in two or three years,then so be it, and they have
that experience and they end up somewhereelse. I'm not saying this is going
to be our home forever. I'msaying this is a this is me when

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I grew up like this is mefor the first not Wyoming the Colorado and
then Wyoming later. This is likethe first twenty years of my life.
And it's something that they have noconception of and so it's just one more,
one more bit of experience that theycan have in life. And it's
good. It's very different out here, but lots of different places in the

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country are different. So we'll justsee. I think that's how I'm looking
at it. Yeah, and reallythat's all life is. Like you are
from Ohio, You've lived in Ohioyour whole life. Yeah, but that's
not to say, you know,there's nothing guaranteed about tomorrow in any aspect
of our lives. So there's nothingstopping us from finding something better somewhere else,

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just like there's nothing keeping us reallyfrom something terrible happening to us where
we are tomorrow, right right.And you were talking about the whole thing
with the jobs, and you couldbe loyal to someone for years and you
never know when tomorrow could end.That's kind of how I was in my
old job there for fourteen years,and then I was like, all right,

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I gotta get moving because things arechanging, you know, so I
don't You just never know. Younever know, and you'll never know whether
or not you like something unless youtry it. So the hardest part is
you don't know if you've made agood choice until you're in it down the
path. Yeah, Yeah, there'sno way to know, and the uncertainty
is what keeps people from from doingthat. And I completely understand that there's

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there's a lot to be said forsecurity in terms of just not having to
do what we did this summer becauseit's extraordinarily expensive. It's a whole lot
of uncertainties and unknowns, but you'renever going to find better unless you go
look for it, I guess.Yeah. So that's that's where I've been

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and what I'm doing, and alot of the best part for me personally,
just in the couple of weeks we'velived here, and I've been coming
since April but really just working thatwhole time, so I've had actually had
some recreation and free time here andit's really strange. It's a surreal feeling
how a lot of my childhood anda lot of my old passions come back

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to me when they just kind ofgo away, They just kind of fade
when they're not around you anymore.And I guess in this part of the
country it's like outdoorsy stuff, hiking, fishing, things like that, but
just being around that there's something tobe said for sunshine, which Wyoming has
in Minnesota doesn't. The weather outhere is exponentially better because it's not as

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humid and so it's not as hotor as cold, and just a piece
of mind of driving around seeing themountains for me, and that's for me
is probably because I grew up withthem. I grew up at nine thousand
feet on top of a mountain inColorado basically, so there's a lot of
that that some others wouldn't have.But everyone's got that kind of connection,

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you know, that sensory connection towho you became as you grew up.
And I did a lot of greatthings in Minnesota and wouldn't trade a minute
of it, But did I wantto do that for another fifteen And I
look around at friends my own agewhose parents still live in that town.
Great town. Nothing wrong with Austin, where I lived, But I'm not

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a Midwesterner. I'm not from there. That's not where I came up,
So it's not really it's not yourpart of your identity, right, Yeah,
No, I feel that I do. I mean I moved around a
lot growing up, but not outof the state, just two different counties,

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so it was a lot of itwas the same. But you know,
I still have friends today where theylive in their childhood town and their
parents still live there and their grandparentsstill live there. And granted, some
of them do have like family farms, so they have businesses and things like
that. But even though that seemswonderful to just always feel like you have

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a place, I would not beable to handle that. I would not
be able to stay in the samespot forever, like I would feel trapped.
I think so me moving around alot growing up may have, you
know, put that in my mindthat I always need to find something new.
I don't know, even if itis in the same state but different

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areas. I don't know. Butwe have talked about moving out of state,
and it may happen definitely now thatRebecca's an adult and stuff like that.
So could happen sooner than we think. Yeah, and there is no
wrong way to do it. Idon't think if if my wife would have
stayed in Minnesota for her whole life, I think she would have been happy.

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And I think now she's exposed toa whole different culture, a whole
different geography. And if we endup going somewhere else, then she has
that in her life in her past, So I don't know. It's just
a friendly reminder for everybody to justdo what makes you happy and don't be
afraid. Don't be afraid of insecurity, because there is no such thing as

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security, no matter where you are, how long you've been there. Yep.
With that, what do we wantto do with this podcast? Now?
Where have we been? We justdid, so where are we going?
We are going back on track.But more so than that, I

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feel like just I don't I don'tknow if you feel the same way as
I do, but I feel likein the last year, there's been a
lot that a lot of movement inthe true crime world with some cases that
are pretty close to us, whetherwe've covered them or cases that you know,
are that have to do with familiesand people that we're connected to in
one way or another. And Idon't, I don't know what I want

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to do with that, but Ifeel like I want to lean on that
a little bit and maybe, youknow, still keep the normal case Overview
series, but maybe have a bonusseries once a month to kind of highlight
some of these cases that are prettyclose to us, whether it's from other
podcasters you know that are going throughthis, or speaking with families or people

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that we've met over the years throughthe true crime world, just to kind
of rehighlight those cases and bring themback. And you know, we could
talk more about that, We coulduse suggestions from you guys. But I
do love the Case Overview series.I do love that weekly drop in the
feeds, but I would love todo something a little extra, a little

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more special for you guys. Youknow, you've been with us this long,
like Scott said, five years now, so we'd like to give back
a little bit more to you guys, and not just on the Patreon but
in the main feat as well.So we're open to ideas and suggestions for
that. Yeah, I think sotoo. And we haven't talked about this,
you and I at all yet.This is the first word talking about

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it. And maybe it's been it'sbecause I've been away so long, but
it does feel like a pivot pointis happening. Yeah, for me or
for us, or for maybe it'strue crime as a whole. I can't
tell and they can't either. Butthere are there are two cases that we
spend a lot of time on thatI can think of right now, and
they're probably more that have seen theinside of a courtroom now that I never

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thought would see the inside of acourtroom, to be totally honest. And
there's definitely that angle that we haven'tpursued at all beyond the initial work that
we did. And I also Iagree, I think across the board where
I like what we have done,I also like some aspect of what we
did before the case overtroducer I did. I loved that I was going back
and listening to some of those recently, and that is I mean, it's

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old and it sounds old, andthat you and I have both gotten better
at this in the intervening years.Yeah, but some of it was even
going back to DJ Fikey, whichis the first chapter we ever did.
If you go back and listen tothat, there's some things I would do
totally differently. And there's also somethings where I like, damn we were
I know the ball that one andBeverly Jarro stood out to me as well.

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That one was really good. Yeah, So I think we have to
figure that out more, and Ithink we should put some thought into what
that looks like going forward, whetherit's separating them in the same feed or
combining them into one thing that wedo or whatever. I think there's ways
to hear, multiple ways to doit where it would be better. But

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it does seem to be a goodreset point since we've both kind of reset.
It does seem to be a goodreset point. And there is something
to true crime is changing too.Yeah, it probably always is, but
the way that the public interacts withthese cases. I don't follow current cases,
but I haven't have a cable newschannel on today and as the first

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Honestly, I know I'm out ofthe loop. I shouldn't admit this,
but the microsoft exact who was murdered, and today they charged his wife,
and that's the press conference. Iwas watching his wife and her current husband
with his murder and watching the familyspeak, And it seems like the public
is interacting with it differently. Maybenot overnight, maybe it's not brand new

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this summer, but that is changing, and maybe I haven't noticed as much
in the last year or two years. It seems like every big case that
we have, the one a yearbig case that takes over the media,
even bigger than this one that I'mmentioning, it seems like it changes have
the public interacts with true crime andhave the documentaries came out kind of differently.

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And yeah, I was actually goingto touch base on one that I
started last night. I've got Ionly have one episode left. It's a
three parter. I don't know ifyou've seen it yet on Netflix, but
it's the depth versus heard one.Oh and I didn't watch any of the
trial, so I watched the entiretrial last year, so I think you

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should watch it even if Okay,so honestly, I think you should watch
some bits of the trial at least, like the testimony parts of it,
and then go and watch the Netflixdocumentary the three parter, because just seeing
the testimony from the actual trial andthen watching this it really puts things into

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a new light with where we areculturally with true crime and like the way
we spread information, misinformation and real, you know, true accurate information,
but a lot of it has todo with content creators. And I think
that it's a really great view ofwhat people are doing bad, like what

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they should not be doing just toget views and likes and subscribers, because
it does it really does tear downpeople's reputations, their livelihood, everything,
So even if they think, oh, yeah, everybody's interested in this one
right now. That's why I wantto post about it. The minute you
say one thing that isn't accurate,and people feed off of that and constantly

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change it to add to their owncontent. Like it all gets I don't
know, it's like the game ofTelephone on drugs. I swear it's insane.
Well, we've been, to ourcredit, I think we've been talking
about that pretty much the whole timethat we've been doing this podcast, one
yea or another. And I thinkmaybe I haven't seen that doc or didn't
follow that trial at all. Butmaybe a better example of that that comes

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to mind is the Idaho killings.Was it four people that were killed in
the in the house there? Yeah, and I have seen I haven't listened
to any of them, but trendingsure enough in Apple podcasts are these shows
covering that case. And it's differentbecause there has been a charge of Brian

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Kolberger. I think there's been anarrest. But to your point, not
one of these people on Reddit,not one of these podcasters, not a
police, and Tiktoker's knew who thisguy was. Nobody knew and so every
supposition. Every speculation that was madebetween here and the arrest or there and
the arrest was wrong and harmful,except basically there was there was all this

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to security that one. I followeda little bit as it was happening.
I intentionally kind of stay away fromthe current cases. But there was something
about the food truck. Yeah,and that's the one that stuck out to
me too. Yeah, and nobodyhad this guy. Nobody did, so
there is something to be said forthat. That's not getting any better than
Again, I was watching this newsconference of the Microsoft engineer today, the

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guy who was murdered, not knowinga thing about it, like I vaguely
remember hearing about it, and thefamily was thinking everybody, law enforcement.
Right after that was content goes podcastersand I don't know what those shows are
that she was referencing, but itis a force for good, for advocacy,
and it's also very detrimental the onlinestuff. So yeah, that has

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been changing, and we've been righton top of that. I think at
nausea. I'm sure people are sickof me lecturing them about all that stuff.
No, but it's all important information. Though, if you were going
to get details about a crime bylistening to the content creators, then you
need to make sure that it's accurateinformation and not being spread about somebody that

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is not the actual perpetrator, youknow it. Just think about putting yourself
in that position, Like if youknow you did nothing wrong, but everybody
out there is talking about it asif you were the person, how would
that make you feel? How wouldthat affect your day to day life,
your family, your connections, yourjob, your livelihood, all of it.
Like, that's just insane to me. I don't think people can't imagine

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it, and I think on theoutside, I can't imagine it. I
can't imagine being a directly affected familymember of something that happens like that.
But the prod the disconnect, Ithink is people see it on television and
they treat it like everything else that'son television, reality shows, sports,
but it's not. It's real andactual and it's happening now, and in

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the meantime, their investigators trying toactually figure this out in a prosecutable case
manner, and it's all just ait's a whole different thing based on that.
Yeah, And something actually sat withme the other day. I don't
remember which group it was in,but it was a Facebook group that I
think maybe you may be a partof as well. But they posted a
screenshot of somebody's tweet and it basicallysaid something to the effect of, man,

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I really hate it when you knowat the end they don't find the
killer or I don't know. Somethingabout the ending of a true crime case
that was shown on a documentary andit just struck a chord with some people
because they're like, do you notunderstand that this isn't entertainment, Like this
is actual life. These are actualpeople being affected. Like you're treating it
as if it's a game show orsomething like the ending didn't turn out like

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you wanted, and you're making ajoke about it. And that really sat
with me because I'm like, yeah, people do have that disconnect. They
think that it's just TV, it'sentertainment. They get to watch this,
but that's actually all of those peoplewho are affected are real people, and
when the producers of that show,those shows do try to make it more

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consumer friendly, you end up withanother mess like the staircase and making murder.
Yes, what's presented is actually fullshit. So yeah, it's speaking
of did you see that update aboutthat guy, uh Brian or what's the
blood spatter expert? Oh? Yeah, so you sent me that Mike Mike

(31:22):
Lee is at his name Henry Lee, doctor Henry Lee, who is a
very renowned, I mean probably theforemost blood spatter expert in the field.
So what was the situation of that, Oh man, I don't remember the
details, but something to the effectof he would falsified. Yeah, and
then they were like, okay,so now we got to kind of look
at all of his cases, whichthe staircase was one of them. Yeah,

(31:45):
that's one of them. He hasthousands. Yeah, Like, my
god, I don't know enough aboutthat specifically to comment on it, but
he's I mean I don't either.I just as soon as I saw his
name pop up, I'm like,oh boy, the only thing I thought
of when you said that was bloodspatter is still very subjective. It's a
very subjective science. I do thinkit's forensically viable. I think it's a

(32:09):
very viable sub study. It's oneof the oldest forensic disciplines and it's still
very useful. But it's not likeDNA, it's not like a math equation.
It's very interpretive. So I'm notsure what the accusations against him are,
but yeah, I mean he wasHe's all over true crime from the

(32:30):
beginning that every big case that youcan think of, the staircase was one
of them. He was a defensewitness for them. Yeah, I mean
John B and A. I knowhe's done work on thousands of cases.
I'm sure. I think he workedin the Connecticut State Crime Lab if I'm
not mistaken, But he's written howmany books on blood spatter? He's the

(32:51):
guy in that discipline. Yeahs issomething to keep in mind, how even
the most even the most viable sources. Again, without knowing what the accusations
are against him, but yeah,there's I'm sure this summer there's been a
lot that I missed out on inthe true crime world. I think so
for me too, I was alittle bit amazed about how I was able

(33:12):
to unplug. I haven't seen atrue crime documentary all summer. I haven't
I can't think of except for hearingabout the Idaho thing. I haven't followed
any cases directly. I haven't honestlydone a whole lot of work on my
own cases, the long term ones. So yeah, just falls a good
time to reset for everybody anyway andget packing. Yeah. So, yeah,

(33:36):
you and I will have to discussand the audience feel free and email
and chime into on what you'd likeus to focus on. I don't want
to restart. I think we justtake what we've done over the last five
years and there we go. Here'smy room. I was waiting for it.
Yeah, and combine it and kindof represent it. I think it's

(33:59):
a good chance after you get backfrom Austin, right too, Yeah,
yeah, to reset. So anyonewho's going to we haven't talked about the
True Crime Podcast festival, but Iassume lately. But I assume tickets around
seal. Yes, I don't knowif our promo code still applies or if
it's too late for tickets. I'mnot sure. I want to say you
can still buy them through the endof this week. I will have to

(34:21):
check though, Okay, So anyonein the Austin, Texas area please consider
that. I know it's short termfor anybody else, but anyone that wants
to take a trip coming up nextweek. I think it's next weekend,
right, Yeah, So we'll bethere on Friday to set up. But
the main event is going to beon Saturday, all day Saturday, so
I was hoping I could roll itinto my trips, but that was back

(34:45):
when I was still making those trips. So I will not be there.
But you don't need me anyway.Heather's the way. Fine, want to
meet whatever, No, they don't. But I have really cool flyers,
so come back and some some schwagas usual. Yes, yes, stickers,
magnet. I think I still havea few buttons left, so guys
want those and then coasters. Idon't think she'll do that. No,

(35:07):
I don't think she will. Thisis not crime con. She will not
lower herself to the podcast and paranormalfestival. I'm sure. Yeah, but
when you're picking up for us andbring them back and we yes, we
can look at those. Yeah,and thank you to Courtney, like the
freaking MVP of cases. We haveso many on our lists now because of

(35:30):
her. I'm never gonna have tolook for a case again. She's never
a couple of week, at leasta couple of day. Well, I
mean, you know, she lovesthe podcast, she loves what we do,
and she loves helping out, SoI mean I appreciate it. I
tell her every time. I'm likeI I've seen the links, I haven't
read them yet, but I willget to them. Summer. Yeah,

(35:50):
summer right up our alley. Yeah, so let's get back into it.
Not next week as you're traveling forthe podcast festival, but September. First
week is September is a good weekfor us to get back into it,
and we'll we'll chat and figure outwhat we'd like to do going forward with
hopefully some input from you guys tothe audience. Yeah, we agree.

(36:14):
Awesome, Well, it feels goodto be behind a mic again. Yeah,
talking to you and talking to everybody. So thank you for your patients.
If you're if you're still subscribing,either you forgot that you subscribed in
the first place. We've been patientlywaiting for us to come back. So
either way, we'll take it.Thank you. And it's just life.
It's all part of content creators orhuman beings. I like to remind people.

(36:37):
Yeah, things happen, and thecreative process and the work that we
honestly do for these cases. Youkind of get used to the routine of
it, but dozens of hours aweek looking into all these cases. Yeah,
and it just I guess needed areset, and I was the one
to force it. But it's good. We'll get back to it, and

(36:59):
thank you all for listening. Thanksfor our Patroon supporter. Who's our our
brand new one, but all ofyou guys, But who's our new one
this week? I believe her nameis Julie V. But I want to
double checks. I don't want tobe wrong. That's another thing I think
we should look at too, ishow best to serve our Patreon supporters.
Yes, they deserve some stuff becausethey've we've been gone. But yeah,

(37:21):
Julie V. Okay, thank youJulie and all of our patroon supporters.
Well, let you guys go,but thank you for listening to our Summer
and Heather have a safe trip anda fun time in Austin, and we
will talk to you again soon.Bye.