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November 6, 2025 68 mins
Featuring: DR. STEVEN HATFILL Former HHS Chief Medical Officer

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When HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. dismissed senior adviser Dr. Steven Hatfill, the move ignited questions far beyond one man’s job title.

Was this a bureaucratic reshuffle—or a purge of dissent inside a trillion-dollar public-health machine?
Steel News investigates the internal struggle at HHS, the legal limits of unelected agencies, and what Hatfill’s firing reveals about federal control of medicine.

In the second half, Ann Vandersteel examines emerging research and controversy over post-COVID-19-vaccine health outcomes—from women’s fertility and pregnancy effects to spikes in cancers and mental-health disorders—while giving voice to scientists and citizens demanding transparency.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Ah, you're you're.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
Hi, You're here, and good afternoon, everybody. Welcome, welcome, welcome.

(01:02):
This is quite an extraordinary afternoon when I get phone
calls from people about the subject we're going to go
into because at this point, folks, MAGA has been under
attack for far too long, and we got to stand
back up. We have got to dive into what exactly
is going on with MAGA, with MAHA, the direction of
our country. You know, I've been screaming about this for

(01:22):
some time. The constitutional republic has been under attack. So
today on Steel News, we're going to focus in on
what I would consider to be a very incendiary topic,
the firing of doctor Stephen hatfil from the Department of
Health and Human Services. This has actually turned into more
than just a personnel move, Frankly, it's a spotlight on
who controls American public health policy and who gets silenced

(01:46):
when they challenge the narrative. Doctor Hatfiel is a veteran
of biosecurity as an advisor. He was essentially purged for
speaking publicly about m RNA vaccines. If you can even
call them vaccines, that's what the government brought. Bureaucrats like
to call it. That's the CDC cult. They change a
definition of it, as you recall during COVID, so they

(02:07):
could slide in this experimental gene therapy. But this is
what happens when you start talking about mRNA and asserting
that the agency set itself on a different path under
Secretary Robert Kennedy Junior, as potentially the reason for his termination.
HHS citing termination for cause, pointing to claims of misrepresenting

(02:28):
his title as chief medical Officer and failing to coordinate
with leadership. Doctor Hatfield says it was a coup to
overthrow the secretary's vision. So why did AHHS chief of
staff greenlight this ouster? What threat did doctor Hatfield pose,
not just to internal policy, but to the public's right
to know? Key questions we're going to ask conclude, given

(02:50):
the fact that we have a First Amendment, and you
have protection supposedly under the First Amendment, this all Paul
falls into the protection of public interest speech And the
fact that doctor Hatfil was acting in his capacity as
a biosecurity advisor at AHHS, why would the agency's chief
of staff approve his termination rather than engage him in

(03:11):
policy debate? Public policy debate for goodness sakes, aren't they
public servants? This would be necessary if you really wanted
to provide a transparent hearing on the subject. Joining me
now is doctor Stephen Hatfel, Doctor hatfil it is. Let's
see we can get you on the stage here. For
some reason we can't there. You are good to see you.
Thanks for joining me today. All right, let's talk about this,

(03:34):
this termination, because we all cheered when President Trump's administration
brought you back in for what I call Trump two
and the efforts for MAHA, and you know, the public
discourse around these mRNA what I consider them to be bioweapons,
but we'll call them injections for the purpose of this interview. This,
you know, the public uproar and the public awareness about

(03:55):
what's happened and everything we've learned over the past so
many years of COVID and now we're post COVID. Fill
us in because we were excited to see you show up.
We were excited about MAHA and Secretary Kennedy and frankly,
the advice you were providing to reduce and eliminate this
mr and a platform from the vaccine schedule. So let's

(04:16):
go back into the timeline and the cause, walk us
through the final weeks inside AJHS, and when did tensions
begin over vaccine funding? In your public statements, we had
been working on a number of projects when I started.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
I was asked to come in by Secretary Kennedy, as
were some others. Only myself and a few other people
actually were able to make it through. The individual in
charge of selection for mister Kennedy's staff was a mister
Matt Buckham. He was the White House liaison for that

(04:54):
Mister Kennedy asked for mister John Knox. Really a hero
in the first responder community. He was, He's been a
he was police officer, fire fireman has Matt. He came

(05:15):
from San Francisco and was on the ground at nine
to eleven without a respirator and all the toxic gases,
trying to recover people. A true national hero. One of
the best leaders I've ever had, right in the level

(05:36):
with Peter Navarro. Just magnificent leader, dedicated. You couldn't have
asked for a better thing. On my first day reporting,
Matt Buckham at the time was still the assistant, he
was still White House liaison, and I was called over

(05:59):
to the main the HHS building to meet with him.
I went up there and we had a chat, and
he told me quite frankly, that he didn't want John
Knox in there, that mister Kennedy had insisted, but John

(06:21):
Knox had to go. I was shocked, and a few
days later I told John about this that there were
people that was not their choice. Who's ever running things
or pulling strings. But this is one of the best

(06:45):
leaders the country could have had. For Asper, the h
the Administration for I'm trying to remember all the acronyms,
the Administration for red US and for Preparedness and Response
R and John turned out to be a wonderful leader,

(07:10):
and we made a very good team, and we were
both decided. The data started appearing to where there was
no doubt that the messenger RNA vaccines for COVID nineteen
were not working. They were killing people. They were crippling people.

(07:31):
Young women were having their legs amputated for three foot
long blood cloths. They were never fully tested, and the
antigen that they'd used, they were never vaccines. They were
genetic products. They would insert part of the viral genome,

(07:52):
the RNA, the instructions for making new viruses. It would
insert part of that into the human patient, and that
would code for what was called the spike protein. They
never tested the spike protein to see if it was
harmful to humans. It's wildly harmful. It's critically harmful if

(08:16):
by mistake, you injected into a venial or a vein,
when you injected into the arm, it goes to the heart.
Rats injected into their tail vein with purified spike protein
die of heart failure and on autopsy. The I mean,

(08:39):
you don't have to be a doctor to see that
this is a sick, dead heart. It's horrendous. It also
passes through the blood brain barrier, and it has little
areas in there that make it want to form pry
on like material like in mad cow disease, and some

(09:00):
call it prions. I call it prions, but it's amyloid
and it's neurotoxic. So these message are RNA vaccines. And
Pfizer knew this and Maderno when they released this and

(09:21):
a corrupted FDA gave them an emergency use authorization for
these vaccines. They knew that it didn't stay in the arm,
that it disseminated throughout the body. They hid that data.
The Japanese were the first. Japanese government were the first
to realize this, and they had to sue Pfizer for
the data. It disseminates all over to the body. It

(09:44):
concentrates on the liver and the reproductive organs all over
and when it enters as a cell, it creates a
metabolic havoc. It changes what we call the methylation of
your chromosomes and determining what genes will come on and
what genes will be suppressed. And unfortunately it's turning on

(10:08):
tumor genes, it's turning off tumor suppressor genes. And the
cell that's been infected with these message arRNA particles, I
think it's under viral attack and it fights back. It

(10:30):
fights back by generating free radicals. There's a number of
proteins that get produced quickly. Any nucleic acids DNA RNA
that are outside the nucleus and don't have a membrane
around it, the cell considers to be a virus. This

(10:53):
is why for each different virus there's a certain amount
of viral particles that it takes to actually infect someone.
The it's called an innate immunity. Well, the messing Dorna
vaccines are overloaded the cell with billions of messyd rna particles.

(11:17):
The cell gives up the ghosts. The ribosomes aren't making
the spike protein ride. They're frame shifting. You're getting proteins
that are not found in nature created inside your own cells.
You're getting tumor suppressor genes turned off. It's just complete
economic metabolic havoc. The cell either goes senescent or it

(11:42):
kills itself. The process is called apoptosis, but it's cellular suicide,
or it goes cancers. And this is happening wide scale
in adults and children. We now know that the virus
passes through the placenta. There's a very good rat model

(12:04):
or sorry, mouse model for this showing that the virus
passes through the placenta within the first hour of injection
and intramuscular and it's in the fetus to the point
where there's enough that the fetus actually tries making antibodies
against the spike protein. Is this happening in humans, yes,

(12:31):
And the mother is given We now have a case
of a child where the mother was given a Messing
COVID nineteen Messenger rna vaccine and her child had problems.
You had to be resuscitated at birth.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
Unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (12:51):
And we've found these full length spike proteins circulating in
their blood. You can see see the actual the aggregates
under the microscope.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
Are you able to measure the spike protein now circulating
in the blood? Can you get an actual spike count?

Speaker 3 (13:11):
Yeah, you can. You can get a fairly accurate assessment.
But it's even worse than that because fragments of this
protein can break off. And although it's OURNA, there is
a mechanism like with the ADS virus, it's reverse transcribed
into DNA and that DNA is inserted randomly into your chromosomes.

(13:34):
Now you've disrupted your methylation patterns throughout the entire cell nucleus.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
Does that make somebody subject to ownership of the corporation
that was able to rearrange your DNA because there is
a supreme core case.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
Well, it's been your differential gene expression has changed, and
it looks like it's it's a very long term change, right,
So everything's out of whack, right, and you're now prone
to cancer. About there's been two large population studies now

(14:16):
one was two hundred thousand in Italy, one was eight
point four million in South Korea and they show roughly
a forty six percent increased chance of gaining one of
six types of cancer. There's more, but it's at a
lower risk. Prostate is actually higher than that. Yeah. Wow,

(14:41):
And we see this in our in our cancer rates,
in our all cause of death.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
I've seen it in my own family, doctor Hatfel, I
have four family members that are that would not listen
to me and took multiple shots, and one of them
has three different metastatic cancers.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
Yeah. When we look when we look at the tumors
as a way, we can stain from the spike protein
under the microscope, and we find spike protein crocked jam
full into the into the cancer cells.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
Yeah. Well, I I want to There's another gentleman that's
sitting here in the greenroom, green room right now. I
believe you know him, Gray Delaney. He's the former director
of MAHA Implementation. I saw him do an interview with
you yesterday on the McCullough Foundation channel and it was
really rather explosive. He brought a lot of information in context.

(15:32):
And because it's this story is yours, I think I
would like to bring in mister Delaney now to let
him sort of present how he sees this happening and
what he saw happened to you recently, and take it
from being it personally you, but let somebody else's eyes
because you know, we as Americans, we had a lot

(15:52):
of h We put a lot of our eggs in
the basket for MAHA. We believe that Secretary Kennedy was
going to be able to go in and make some
you know, big sweeping chain, particularly after what we saw
with COVID and what we know with agencies, and especially
post the Chevron doctrine. We believe the agencies would be
put back in the box. It would not be allowed
to legislate or make law, or make mandates or what

(16:15):
have you. And we haven't gotten the results that we're
looking for. So I want to get Gray Delaney's comments
on this. Let me see if I can bring him
in here. Hi, Gray, thanks so much for agreeing to
pop in here last minute today. This is a really
important broadcast and people need to understand the sickness that
still is purveying throughout our entire government, specifically HHS. It's
the largest agency we have, you know, three trillion dollar budget,

(16:38):
and we seem to purge some of the best people
that are trying to protect Americans. I thought that's what
the agency was for, to protect us from being harmed
by big corporations, specifically big pharma.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
Yeah. Thanks An.

Speaker 4 (16:51):
So I also wanted to thank you for your phenomenal
investigate reporting for Hurricane Aleen. I was a good number
of friends from every counting the Banner Elk and Newland area,
and I mean the devastating I've never seen such devastation.
And thank you for staying on that story because they're
still they're really still suffering.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
Down there, and oh we're going back.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
There's still so much to unpack up there here. But
thank you for that. I appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (17:17):
But no getting getting to this story. You know, the
real problem personnelist policy. And so if we're going to
talk about this from a thirty thousand foot level, Doctor
Hafil mentioned how difficult it was to get in to
get a job at the Administration and at HHS, and
I can speak from experience too that I had a

(17:38):
really hard time and I had Scott Besson. I worked
for Scott Besson's publishing company, All Seasons Press. We had
done If you're in Navarro's book, Naomi Wolf's book, and
the book the the Memoir for Tucker Carlson by Chadwick Moore.
And so I had his recommendation, I had Steve Bannon,
and so you think, okay, no problem. I've supported Trump

(18:00):
back to twenty fifteen, and then I also supported Kennedy,
including doing a fundraiser for having Charles viill in January
twenty twenty four. But so the real problem we have
here is doctor Lionswaller, who I respect tremendously one of
the foremost experts on the relationship between the neurotoxicity from
heavy metals and the relationship to autism, and the actually

(18:24):
true cumulative amount of heavy metals and aluminum that the
children are getting from the childhood vaccine schedule. He was
interviewing one hundred plus people back in November December last year,
and I spoke with him and interviewed with them, and
I recall telling them, I said, Dr Wyler, are you
coordinating with mar Lago and that's because that's where all

(18:47):
the hiring and the personnel was happening. And he said no,
but he said, trust the process, Trust Secretary Kennedy.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
It's all going to work. Out.

Speaker 4 (18:54):
Well, guess what, very few of those people have actually
been hired. And there's an email chain going around with
doctor and all all the prominent MAHA doctors and activists,
and the question I would have for them is who
on that email list has been hired in HHS. And
that's ultimately why you're not seeing the level of progress
that we were expecting to see is because you can't
implement this historic change that Secretary Kennedy wants to implement

(19:16):
without your people. So my message, overarching message that I
hope people get out of this is we have to
fix the personnel issue.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
Doctor at halfel should be.

Speaker 4 (19:25):
Reinstated, but we need not just me, but we need
in doctor Hafle, we need dozens of these other warriors
inside of the agency, and we have to get to
the root cause of who is blocking these appointments. Now,
I know Buckoelm is a problem with as the chief
of staff and we're directly interfered with Halfvielle, But I
can say unequivocally that Stephanie Steer Spear tried to block

(19:46):
me at the very end when I was about to
get my offered letter, and I was just on the
phone with someone else this morning.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
People are coming out of the woodwork right now for
the piece that.

Speaker 4 (19:52):
I wrote about on Emerald Robinson's substack Emerald dot TV
A cup out the title of the art racles who's
calling the shots at HHS. But the person I speaking
to this morning said, at the very end, when they
were about to get an offer, Stephanie came in and
tanked hers and she still hasn't gotten highed. So this
is a common theme, and I think there's different reasons.

(20:15):
The Poobucka might be working on behalf of the who
Stephanie and what Stephanie's deal is, but both of them
are a problem.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
Both of them need to go.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
Why do we continue to see in your opinion, Gray,
the chief of staff seems to be I mean, I
know that's a very important positions like the air traffic
control and airport. They've got to kind of keep everything
in Q lined up so we don't have conflict of
any kind or crashes or what have you. But do
you believe that some of these chiefs of staff are

(20:44):
acting on their own? Is there evidence to say that
perhaps this was a decision made into vacuum by the
chief of Staff's office that had nothing to do with
Secretary Kennedy, seeing as if it doesn't appear, but from
yesterday's interview that doctor Hatfill has even heard from Secretary
Kennedy regarding this termination, as you received a letter signed
by the Secretary anything to that effect.

Speaker 4 (21:05):
For example, my firing, Stephanie tried to blame on that
I pitted the President against Kennedy regarding the mr and
a announcement when I was trying to rally the base
to support Secretary of Kenny's greatest decision and urged Trump
to hold the line against Big Pharma because and so
Stephanie tried to say, oh, it was really Kennedy's decision.

(21:26):
And I was told when Matt Buckham told me that
when they asked for my resignation, Matt Buckham because Kennedy
was off in Alaska during that decision, which is very
strange that Stephanie's spirit lost confidence in me, and then
she tried to blame it on the Secretary and he
was supposed to call me that week and he never
called me.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
Now, half Phil that was.

Speaker 4 (21:44):
Driven by Buckham and they have had if I my
this is just conjecture, is there was no office at
HHS that was making as much progress and incredible structure
reforms to a very corrupt agency which is BARDA and
ask for frankly.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
As doctor Hafil and John Knox. So that was catching.

Speaker 4 (22:09):
And so can you imagine the pharmaceutical network. And let's
let's go through some of the names about who's lobbying
on behalf of the pharmaceutical network on the Republican side,
Chris Plasovita or or Trump campaign chair ryan's Prebus, former
Trump chief of staff Rick Santorum, former Senator and presidential
candidate Laura Lumer securiously has never addressed anything at the

(22:31):
FDA and curiously came out guns blazing against ben Apercade
back when the that's muscular dyscophy drug from Srepta was
pulled from the market. So this is the network. They
have to be exposed and we have to really and
that's what basic paly. This is called political warfare. So
you have to map out that's the network within Trump
and I'm not naive up.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
That of course, that's always in exist.

Speaker 4 (22:50):
There's huge amounts of money at stake here and so
we have to counter it from our side.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
But we're not doing it. We're not doing it. At all.

Speaker 4 (22:57):
And so what hap Phil and Knots we're facing was
you've got these people calling and Susie Wilds calling Trump
and saying what the heck? And you know they're losing billion,
I mean hundreds of millions in contracts. And so that
was I guarantee that was bubbling up, and we didn't
have the appropriate counter punch at AHHS from our side.
So that's what I would like to come out of this.
This is not meant to tear down Secretary Kennedy or anybody.

(23:20):
It's meant to fix the problems that we can truly
make America healthy and end this chronic disease epidemic and
the poisoning of America.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
Truly, it is a poisoning of America. But again, you know,
I want to come back around what you're talking about.
Here is the big pharma fox that's in the Agency Henhouse,
right into the AHHS in hen House, and we don't
really seem to have what I would consider to be
fair checks and balances because you've got people like you know,
Chief of Staff to President Trump, Suzie Wilds, whose own organization,

(23:53):
along with Attorney General Pambondi, who was a lawyer for
Pfizer on the Pfeiser team, we're now seeing what looks
to be like you know, echoes of the stranglehold of
these titan industries that have you know, so we shape
their their their profit and law statements are bigger than
some states GDPs, even maybe even some countries GDPs. I

(24:14):
mean they we're talking about billions and billions of dollars here.
And mRNA proves to be a very profitable product for
the big pharma industry, you know, much more so than
what you know when we couldn't get any traction with
hydroxychloric win and I remectin during COVID, and they were
burying any of the good news about it to push
these vaccines, so called vaccines I call them and I

(24:37):
will take ownership of this bioweapons. It's because it was
about the money. No, nothing different than when they were
pushing remdesivir, which the WHO proved in twenty eighteen and
nineteen that it was a death death sentence to give
somebody rendzevier in the Ebolda trials. Yet Fauci determined that
that was going to be the hospital protocol in the
hospital setting, and they killed lots of people with remdesevir.

(25:00):
So again it always seems to be the profit over people.
At what point you know, and this is a sort
of waxing philosophical here, at what point does the political
pressure or show show us you At what point do we
do the people have enough political capital the political pressure
to actually affect these agencies which seem to be sort
of ignoring the Chevron doctrine, the overturning the Chevron deference.

(25:20):
They seem to be ignoring the people. What does this
look like to undo this damage? Because I think that
these operators that are sitting in the chiefs of staff
positions that have ties to big Pharma are still running
everything and President Trump is either looking the other way
or simply has been so immunized he has no idea.
But at some point, when does you know, when do
you stop start reading the room?

Speaker 1 (25:41):
Where do we where we are?

Speaker 4 (25:42):
We start with asking Secretary Kennedy to reinstate and for
first of all, for a statement and to reinstate. Doctor Hatfill,
now you have doctor malone this morning, says oh, doctor
Hafel was a third or fourth tier staffer and doesn't
deserve a call from the Kenny.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
That's that's just running cover. Come on that. That is
not the way to do.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
I didn't see that doctor Malone and said that he's
just a third or four tier staffer and this is
just normal. How about doctor Malone go back to the
lab and and invent something to undo the damage of
the mRNA shot. That would be a great You know,
he loves to lud the fact he's the inventor of it.
I'd like to ask him to go back to the
lab and fix it. I mean, he talks about how
deadly this is. You know, he knows it, so maybe

(26:21):
he would. I'm sure maybe he is working out, and
if so, I would really appreciate hearing from him.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
No, so you can have him.

Speaker 4 (26:27):
I mean, so I would say, look, these people like
doctor Malone, doctor James flins Wiler, don't carry water ask
for answers, because I know you want people like to
have access, and to have access you need to kind
of carry water and do their bidding. But we're not
doing them any good. We're not doing the movement any good.
And we all want Secretary of TNN to be successful.
He is a courageous man, he is a good man.

(26:48):
He is brilliant, but he is poorly served and if
he is being held back for one reason or another,
we need to get to the bottom that we need
to unfetter him. He needs to be completely unfettered, because
right now I feel like he's being managed and I
don't know if that's who it's coming from, if it's
coming from the White House or or where. I think
President Trump has talked about the childhood vaccine schedule, So yeah,

(27:12):
if Trump is if Trump is okay, and I've heard
he has a long leash on the vaccine issue. But
I had a lot of colleagues when I was there
that didn't want to touch this issue. And they want
to just touch talk about food dies and you know,
we're getting the food guys out of M and m's.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
So hat Phil was dealing with the.

Speaker 4 (27:29):
Big picture, the root of the problem, and that's ultimately,
in my opinion, what got him in.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
Trouble, Doctor Hatfield, Do you have a comment to that.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
Well, I stuck with the data and what the data showed.
Every day, I kept up with the latest. It got
to the point where meta analysis, which are probably some
of the highest credible studies you can do about randomized
clinical trials. These were knowing that the mRNA vaccines had

(28:02):
a negative benefit to risk ratio. In other words, it
was more dangerous to take a Messenger RNA vaccine than
it was to catch COVID and be hospitalized with it. Yeah,
and then the histology, I mean, the cells don't lie.

(28:25):
When you look at the autopsies of people that have
died after vaccinations, it's horrific. It goes into the brain,
it deposits as a prying like protein. We call it
an amyloid, and when that amyloid gets digested by an
enzyme called neutrophi E lastase, it becomes neurotoxic and kills

(28:49):
brain cells. It goes into the reproductive organs, destroys the
laydig cells and the testes. So you have twenty seven
year old men running around with low testosterone. They're getting
a little bit from their ageno glands. They have to
be on hormonal supplements at twenty seven. In rat studies,

(29:14):
it's shown that a couple of vaccines of message or
RNA and in rats it wipes out sixty percent of
their follicle eggs in their ovaries, essentially virtually sterilizes them
or sends them into premature menopause. Looks like there's a

(29:41):
drop in human ovaries as well, but it seems to recover.
We don't know the long term. I'm estimating myself. This
is my opinion that there's going to be a real
epidemic of mature mental pause about ten years from now.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
So this does not bode well for the you know,
population growth. We're seeing a massive population decline. We've been
on a population decline in this country, in western countries
around the world, it's been a significant population decline. If
you were to predict what are we looking at here,
because there's a website out there that you're probably familiar with,
if not, the Degal Report. They've been talking about a

(30:25):
catastrophic population decline here in the US. And with the onlague,
you know, the oncology outcomes that are happening is getting scary.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
All cause mortality is still elevated. Okay, the CDC put
out of paper a little while back on you know,
it's not affecting live births, but they neglect to ignore
the data on miscarriages on the first sort of trimester, right,

(30:57):
it's about seventy six percent of pregnancies if I remember correctly, Yeah,
miscarriage or you know, the fetuses left off. Those don't
count as live births, do they. The malformations from D

(31:17):
O D data are incredible, absolutely incredible. Yeah, the autism.
You know, there's a mouse model that's combined with the
childhood vaccination schedule, and you can take these rodents and
put them on equivalent for their body weight the childhood

(31:41):
vaccination schedule, and you end up with autistic pumps, you know.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
And this is what this is what stood out in
my mind when I watched the press conference with Secretary Kennedy,
President Trump, doctor Oz, others that were there that day.
President Trump, I'm sure he was supposed to stick to
his script. We all know how he likes to go
off script, and they were there to talk about TYL
and all that being said, President Trump did spend an
ord amount of time talking about the eighty one shots,

(32:11):
the vaccine blob, it could take an elephant down, and
blah blah blah. He kept going off script. To me,
it almost seemed that he, you know, either his subconscious
took over or he intentionally wanted to make sure he
got his barbs in on big Pharma. Maybe he did,
maybe he didn't. But that's how I took it when
I watched that press conference, you know, so I'd like
to I want to shift gears here quickly, because I

(32:31):
want both of you to address an executive order that
you wrote to form a pandemic Preparedness task Force, and
apparently it wouldn't get implemented. It's a strong proposal, it's
what our country needs, but it couldn't get over the
finish line. What happened there? Tell us about this executive
order that you wrote to form a pandemic I wrote
a draft, okay.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
For an executive order, and I passed it around and
just didn't go anywhere.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
Why.

Speaker 3 (33:03):
I have no idea. I thought that this would be
already underway by now, and you know, we would have
some accountability. They haven't got around to it. Granted, there
were a lot of things that needed to be fixed
very quickly, our borders, measures for the economy and trade.

(33:26):
This is all understood. But it's now when you start
locking people up, they start behaving better. Big pharmacy, and
there's enough evidence now that some of the drug companies

(33:50):
with held data the CDC witheld data on harmful vaccine effects.
Tom Shimboco something like that destroyed data. You can't do that.
That's against the law. I was quite content. Mister Secretary

(34:16):
Kennedy told me face to face, we were sitting next
to each other, Okay, get rid of the m RNA vaccines,
get rid of the funding. That's all we could do
is stop the funding. There were a whole they were
going to use it for influenza, a whole bunch of stuff,
as was in line when we have adequate drugs and

(34:39):
under the FDA's own guidelines, if you have a safe
and effective drug, there's no room for euas for vaccines.
They have to go through a multi year trials and
so we he said get rid of it. So I did,

(35:01):
and we stopped the funding through bart of this and
he said, I want you on the news on television
and stuff to explain this. So right after we were dismissed,
I went on to Steve Bannon, went over to the theater.

(35:23):
You know, we have a sound stage and everything, and
Stephanie Spear phoned and said, no, you're not to go on. Really, well,
I just had face to face orders with the Secretary
to go on, So.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
I'm going to go on.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
Well, apparently Bannon phoned her and let into her. So
we're ready to film. I'm sitting in the chair. I'm
going to go on. I don't care what they do
to me somebody, because out the uproar over this is
going to be extra Every pharmaceutical company is going to
phone their senator and their congress people that they financially

(36:06):
support in one way or another and screen bloody murder
about this. The data was equivocable. The vaccines had to go.
They're dangerous. So about three minutes before it was time
to film, Stephanie' spear phones and said, okay, you can
go on. So I kept it at about seven eight

(36:29):
minutes and just went briefly through the data and tried
to explain these things had to be taken off Morgan,
there was no choice, got done, got back. I got
a phone call Secretary Kennedy I think he was in
Alaska by then with Stephanie's Spear right, and he phoned

(36:54):
me and said, oh wow, good job. You know, keep
at it, keep getting on, you know. I said, well,
you know, thank you. It's Stephanie Spear. I think it
was her phone. Yes, docor Advil, you did really well,
I thought, oh, come on. So the next day I
went on Emeralds program, and it's the same message, no

(37:18):
difference in a message. It was over. I got a
phone call from Matt Buckham, who by now is Secretary
Kennedy's chief of staff, and he read me the riot.
You're not to go on television unless it's approved by
Stephanie Spear and blah blah blah blah blah. And you know,

(37:43):
I'm going to chain of command right like you know.
I didn't know if the Secretary had changed his mind
or what, so I started. I was just getting a
lot of requests. I was sending that over and she
was refusing every one of them. I didn't go back
on the news again.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
Where do you think.

Speaker 3 (38:07):
There's no one out there to defend him now?

Speaker 2 (38:10):
Right?

Speaker 3 (38:11):
Well, you wanted to think on tile on. He went
through the available data. The best paper out there. Most
of these papers had some flaws, but the best paper
out there was a Hollywood study that had been statistically
challenged by other investigators on two occasions. Understood the test

(38:33):
of time, and it showed an association. No wasn't allowed
to talk about. I wasn't even allowed to go over
and brief him. I wrote a paper for him, but
I wasn't allowed to brief him on this, and in
the paper I said, this is just one of many
things causing autism, multiple little things that if they're bind

(39:01):
you get a synergy and the effect is greater than
any of these little things by themselves. This is why
there's a spectrum from profound to mild.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
Would you say that? And with respect to autism? And
you know what you understand now in the correlation to
a set of menifin a talentol in other words, is
that the os But would you say it's really driven
more by the vaccine adjuvants or by the addition of
talentol which helps cross the blood brain barrier with the adjuvant.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
Intration synergetic the effect you get with both administers. And
we've got midwives in this country that deliver babies and
they hand the stuff out like candy. They're not physicians, right,
the midwives, right. And they're giving some of their female
patients nitrous oxide, which is like, you really don't want

(39:54):
to do that in a developing brain. It changes the
methylation pattern. So there's that there's other drugs that will
interfere with neurodevelopment. The vaccines appear to be the most
severe thing that both the childhood vaccination schedule, which is

(40:19):
I mean, you're giving three different infectious disease organisms at
the same time measles, mumps, rebella, tetanus, diphtheria. Your body
isn't equipped to handle that. And you're making a tremendous

(40:44):
reactive oxygener response, free radical response to these causing neuroinflammation,
and you're changing methylation patterns and the neurons and the
glials supporting cells. And yah, it's lated. I'm sorry, it's lated.

(41:06):
No one should have never allowed those combinational vaccines, right,
No one needs to get that many No developing child
and developing brain you should ever get that many challenges
to their oxidaity health. No, it's stupid.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
It is stupid, but you know, I take it down,
I strip it down to you know, some of the
most fundamental principles. You know, God made you in his image.
If you believe in God, if you're a Christian, you
believe in God, you know you're made in His image.
So the mere fact that they're pushing things, uh you know,
vaccines on children the minute they come out of the

(41:48):
mother's womb, is that they're they're basically telling you you know,
you're not perfect in God's image. He made a mistake.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
And this is money.

Speaker 5 (41:57):
It's money, the money CaCO vaccine, right, pneumonia vaccines, the
long term studies have come out now and it shows
that you're more likely to get pneumonia if you've been vaccinated.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
Right, How many times have we heard that about the
flu shot, doctor Hatfhil. I took the flu shot and
I got the flu. And I mean, I look at
how many people I know.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
You advertising still going on. You don't get your new
Mococo vaccine.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
Now, yeah, I know, it's it's all about money. It's
all about money. So in that vain gray data suppression
and First Amendment rights here, you know, looking at this
from the agency side. So if an agency scientist like
doctor hatfil is barred from speaking about or publishing contradictory findings,

(42:45):
in your opinion, does that violate the First Amendments protection
of public interest speech by government employees? And where would
you look for remedy for people like you know, doctor
Hatfel or other whistleblowers inside federal health agencies Because this
is more than as a systemic turning into a pandemic
problem inside the agencies it would appear.

Speaker 5 (43:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (43:07):
I mean, when you're inside the agency, inside the government,
you're you know, to be extraordinarily careful and I understand
that with the data and make sure that the data
is well cited and you know, everything that doctor Hafel
presented when he presented to Secretary Kennedy get seventeen pages
seventeen page memo that was meticulously referenced.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
So these are sort of documents that need to become public.

Speaker 4 (43:29):
That document that justified the decision for the m r
A should have been made public, and that was part
of our strategy to try to get change hearts and
minds and really again the unraveling of this COVID operation
as I like to call it, it was. It was
a huge political operation. This was and the and the
the devastation this has caused the American people.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
We will probably recover it from it.

Speaker 4 (43:52):
We're talking about twenty year lost life expectancies for those
that take in the COVID jab or to you know,
generation of kids that were to see the same level
of education. The inflation now, the lost purchasing power, and
many Americans that are struggling to make ends meet. So
these are all the result of COVID, and one of
the first things I said to Stephanie when I met

(44:13):
with it the first day is this is.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
What I want.

Speaker 4 (44:14):
I want to get to the bottom of COVID and
people need to be held accountable. Now it's called that
wasn't in my jurisdiction, and that's okay. But who's doing
it is their task force, and who's getting to the
rock to the core of the right of the corruption
at the FDA and at the CDC. The FDA, you know,
read doctor Haffield's book Unmasked, read about how the coordination

(44:37):
between Woodcock at FDA, between CDC, between Deborah Burks and
the National Security Council. And I don't see anyone being
held and me going back to twenty fifteen, you know Obama,
the Obama era, when I supported Trump at fifteen, I
was hoping at this point that even the first administration,
someone would be held accountable for any of these just massive,

(44:58):
massive cover ups including I R S scandal by Lois
Lowis Learner.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
Not no one's been helping.

Speaker 4 (45:03):
Out for anything, No except Republicans and patriots riding in
jail from January sixth. So I understand there's a plan
and the trust the plan and where you know you
have to give them point at a.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
Point where we are the plan. I'm sorry, I think
the people are the plan, and we should be a
deafening roar demanding accountability. And if you know, you know
we want doctor Hatfill and there we should be demanding
for him to be reinstated. And it should be from
Secretary Kennedy's mouth that we're hearing what's the four cause
reason was, because as of yet we haven't heard that
from him, and I question whether he knows at FDA,

(45:38):
n all.

Speaker 4 (45:40):
Proved me to be re examined, re evaluated there and
they're not doing anything to, for example, study what's the
effect of processed grains on gluten intolerance, I mean full
of acid, all these things that are contributing to our
chronic disease epidemic. I mean, there's so much that needs
to be done.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
It's with mind violin.

Speaker 4 (46:00):
But if you don't have someone like that Giler that
I feel I recommended the hope that was commature.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
Mark Morney McCarey.

Speaker 4 (46:07):
Mister McCarry is a very nice man, but he's a
kind man.

Speaker 3 (46:12):
But you need a carnivore in there. What I really didn't. Honestly,
I really didn't want this job. I did it because
we thought we could fix things. I very much believed
in mister Kennedy. I still do, and I felt I

(46:33):
could support him and justify his decisions. Whenever you join
an administration, you're brought on to justify their their points
of view, that that's so, and you're part of a team.
You play within a strict structure. My beliefs seem to

(46:58):
be shared by mister Kennedy, and he is a very
brave man. He's courageous and it started out really great.
But then you're not allowed to coach him before he
goes on here's your here's your here's your talking points,
this is what you need to drive down on. If

(47:20):
you just say tail and all, then all the vaccine
messagearing vaccine people are going to be on you because
you know vaccines are the bigger cause. You have to
explain it like this will do it, this will do it.
Genetics may have you know, will have some effect. And

(47:45):
you couldn't get into briefing, you couldn't get into talk
to him, and he would go out and kind of
mess it up a little bit and just invite the
other side to attacking, and I couldn't defend him. I
wasn't allowed to. I'm going, really, there's something wrong with that.

Speaker 4 (48:04):
And then a real problem we had inn is the
lack of strategic communication strategy. So normally, when you have
a big policy roll out like that, you have here're
the talking points, here's all the circuits, here's the principles
lined up to do X show, y show, doctor, Hefele's
gonna go Anne Banner Seals show. He's going to go
on in Oral Rocks and he's going to go on
Steve Bannon, the Secretary is going to go on CNBC.
You're gonna have this other doctor that's an expert doctor

(48:24):
Giants Lame James lions Waller, expert on autism and neurotoxicity
of heavy metals.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
So that you go on this show and that show,
you have all that lined up.

Speaker 4 (48:31):
You have a fact sheet with the studies you've read,
and you and you and you hit the ground running
and you just pound pound pound, and then that if
you have success with that, you're starting to see pulling,
You're starting to see people more people waking up, and
then from there you have the runway to go to
the autism and then that enables you to include the
vaccine issue in the autism more port because you've already
laid the groundwork for that. But if you haven't laid

(48:54):
the groundwork, then you've lost all the momentum. And then
you have to go and you have to play it
safe and just go with talent. So the way to
accomplish big change is to have a proper strategic communication strategy,
which Stephanie her her strategy is for Kennedy to get
on and do a direct a camera video and everyone,
all of our supporters can look on his X feed
and that's all you get. There's no let's coordinate with

(49:16):
all of our top people like you and I my
got idea with I wanted to send you saying here's
what's coming up, here's what you know. We start sending
out the studies about aluminum and how that relates to
autism and you and you see that months in advance
to everyone, so we can start writing substacks and getting
and getting that out and so that's providing cover. So
for when that announcement comes, we've already got this, you know,

(49:38):
well socialized.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
So it's those sorts of.

Speaker 4 (49:40):
Things that we really need to be done, and I
think the communications department at h Church is perfectly capable
of doing.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
It, but there's no communication from that.

Speaker 4 (49:48):
I mean, they don't even find out that about these
announcements until ten minutes, thirty minutes two hours before, right,
And so then we just we're not we're just botching
every announcement, and then and then and then and then
that that that the basic please stops cu center tracks
we're making the progress and the change we want to make.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
That makes sense, and no, it makes total sense. And
I recall a day when there used to be communication
and sort of the talking points were shared out of
the administration. Hey, we're going to be talking about X,
Y and Z today and they used to send it
down to us and we were on your Voice America
back twenty sixteen, seventeen eighteen, the early timeframe. And today
it's a closed loop and the mainstream media talking heads

(50:27):
have been replaced with others that they are now putting
into a bucket. But you know, the majority of the
people are having to go. You have to go to
President Trump's true social if you want to get sort
of a sense of where his head is at. And
you're right. It's lacking mass mainstream media slash podcast media
coordination to you know, get messaging more cinched up so
that you can, you know, engage the public on the

(50:50):
on all sides of the spectrum, on all sides of
the argument, whether if the vaccine is the subject matter,
there's pro and there's anti, and there's in the middle.
You want to engage the entire population to be talking
about this because then you can throw out what I've
got put up on the screen right here, just you know,
the most comprehensive analysis ever conducted on the causes of
vaccine of autism, and this is coming from the McCullough Foundation,

(51:13):
but I've seen this in other places as well, that
you know the fact the dominant risk factor is vaccines.
So you know again, but this isn't making it into
the main it's just making into a one funnel. And
therein lies a big problem with the public trust because
not everybody is getting the information, and so you have
one side screaming about something and the other side's going,
what are you talking about? And therein lies a huge problem.

(51:36):
You're not reaching everybody on all sides of the demographic
equation for the consumption of media.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
Here's the other thing. Mister Kennedy picked the people he
wanted to have on his team, right, John Knox, myself, others,
we've all had trouble getting any sort of agenda going

(52:05):
to fix things. It's been blocked by Matt Buckham or
Stephanie's spear or whatever we're trying to do. You just
can't seem to make headway. And it's not myself, it's
others as well. The whistleblowers are starting to come out.

(52:25):
If you surround yourself with incompetent staffers, and you're going
to get incompetent advice. Right, it's such a specialized field
medicine and biomedical things and virology and vaccines. If you're

(52:53):
going to have quacks come out and advise you for
people that really don't know what they're talking about, then
you're not going to know what's going on. And they
can be your friends and all that, but if you

(53:15):
trust them, you're going to be like them. You're not
going to have the necessary information to get things done
and to defend yourself. And this is what's happened. HHS
is in like free fall and they're out to remove

(53:38):
other people.

Speaker 4 (53:41):
So the first thing I would say is let's let's
start with people, ask what can we do happen be reinstated.
Secretary Kennedy owes him a call and owes a statement
to the MAHA supporters. I know that all the MAHA
people are all bent out of shape about this, as
I told you earlier, saw all emails read with dozens,
Doctor McCullough, Meryl Nass, whole nine yards, Pierre Corey. Everyone's

(54:02):
aware of it. So this cannot We cannot allow him
just to sweepers on the rug. If you do, then
we're losing in the long term. So the people are
around him that want are trying to defend him or
carry water. It's about it's not it's just like Trump.
It's not about a person or a man. It is
about saving our nation and saving our children. And I
know that's what the objective. So we have to put

(54:24):
personalities aside and keep the objective at the forefront.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
That's right. Well, I'm aware there was a list of names,
about one hundred and fifty of them that were submitted
to be part of AJHS, and none of those folks
have been hodd On have gotten in.

Speaker 3 (54:40):
You know. Harvey Riish is one of the finest scientists
out there. He was told, hang on, you know you're
going to be ahead of National Cancer Institute. Harvey would
have reviewed every chemotherapy agent, the clinical truy and gotten

(55:00):
rid of the rubbish, because there's a lot of rubbish
drugs out there. You would have saved HHS.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
Billions and lives and damage the.

Speaker 3 (55:11):
Drug companies for trying to put that swath over there. Yeah,
there were others we won't get into. Nobody has been
allowed to do what they were brought over to do.
And I made my enemies very early because I couldn't

(55:37):
really start getting a pandemic response going until we brought
the old doctrine of early drug treatment back. Not one
person should have ever been given a Messenger RNA vaccine.
And then I watch as while mister Kennedy's away, a

(55:57):
new Maderna vaccine comes on a market. It's unbelievable, and
pregnant women are still being given MESSA shots.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
Yeah, so.

Speaker 3 (56:13):
When do you stop caring?

Speaker 2 (56:15):
Never?

Speaker 3 (56:17):
Never?

Speaker 2 (56:17):
Never? You know, from where I'm sitting, Americans should be
demanding one thing, and this really, you know, whether you
trust vaccines or you question them, doctor Hatfield, Every American
should demand one thing. They should demand truth without coercion, accountability,

(56:39):
accountability exactly until you.

Speaker 3 (56:41):
Start locking some of these guys up in jail.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
You're just going to play whack a mole.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (56:48):
NIH have an H five N one Messinger RNA vaccine
that they're recruiting trials for right now. You can't partially
stop it, or well, we don't recommend them anymore. You
ban it because it's killing people and as injured hundreds
of thousands. We don't know how many it's killed, it's

(57:09):
a significant amount, and it has injured hundreds of thousands.
The Bear's database is only about what, at the most
ten percent accurate, right, A lot of the patients are
lost to follow up or the CDC is hidden the data.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
Well, we saw what they did with the d MED database,
didn't we. Once you know, the whistleblowers came forward on
the Defense Department's database, the database it had, which was
a gold standard, far better than BEARS, was scrambled, and
they immediately tried to say, oh no, that information was wrong.
The last five years.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
Were it was not wrong.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
It was it wasn't wrong, right right, Advisor's own data.
They tried to bury backed up the d MED database.
It showed the it showed what was going to happen
and what was happening in their own trials.

Speaker 3 (57:57):
Well, a lot of information went messy. True, this is illegal,
you can't do this.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
That's right, That's exactly right. You know, if it was
up to me, all these agencies would be abolish and
we'd restructure it completely differently, and it certainly wouldn't be
featured as a you know, as a beachhead in the
swamp somewhere.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
Now, your fire six levels down, I.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
Mean, starting at six levels and go down to the bottom,
get rid of all the sees.

Speaker 3 (58:28):
No, you start at the six levels and go up.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
Okay, exactly. Those are the that's the cancer.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
Albums come from. Yeah, because they've figured out how the
system works.

Speaker 5 (58:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
Well, the system has been completely overtaken and we are
not functioning as a constitutional republic. We're functioning as a democratic,
socialistic legislative democracy where mob is ruling and the wrong
mob is in rule at the moment, and we can't
seem to get out of our own way, and they
continue to thwart the will of the people. So the

(59:02):
call to action today for those of you that are
watching right now, is to immediately start flooding Secretary Kennedy's
email voicemail, tag him on X and demand the reinstatement
of doctor Stephen Hatfield. I think he needs to publicly
acknowledge what has happened here. I mean, he never really

(59:22):
acknowledged what happened when he went to Alaska. That just
sort of got swept under the rug. And we can't
allow people like you know, Stephanie Spears and chiefs of
Staff Matt Buckman to sweep this stuff under the rug.
It has got to be addressed by the actual hiring authority.
You were brought in to do a job. You were
brought into make sure that the you know, education on

(59:43):
this mr and a platform. What DARPA has been doing
has been wholly, you know, unsavory and frankly, it's at
war with the American people. That is war from my
humble estimation. And you've been as you were, a soldier
on the battlefield, doctor Hatfil, and a general in fact,
and they decided to take you out. Doesn't sit well.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
Turning soldiers die, you know. And when I was told
over the phone by Matt Buckham that the President want
the Secretary wants your resignation. I told you, well, I'm
doing everything I'm supposed to do and what I'm spo

(01:00:25):
what he wanted me to do, So no fire me.
I still don't have any document. But when I was
told that and I realized my time was over, you
don't know how huge a relief it was for me.
It was a complete relief because in the seat I

(01:00:49):
was in, if we had a pandemic, whether it was
outside of my control or not, what happened, I was
responsible for it. It was a huge relief, and I
was looking getting back to Florida. But that leaves mister

(01:01:13):
Kennedy surrounded by I don't know what you call them,
compromised individuals or incompetent individuals, or people that don't know
what the heck they're talking.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
About, none of which is satisfactory to the public. That is,
you know, at the mercy of an agency that is
supposed to be looking out for the for the public's
best interest and.

Speaker 3 (01:01:38):
Supposed to be leadership. Mister Kennedy has leadership. My god,
he makes he really makes decisions. Mister Knox is one
of the finest leaders I've ever met. He takes a
little longer to make his decisions. He doubled checks and
triple checks. But mister Kennedy, I mean, when he decides it,

(01:01:59):
that's it. But my god, you have to have good advisors. Yeah,
he doesn't have those.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
No, he doesn't, and another one has just left the
building really rather shocking, Doctor Hatfell. I know mister Delaney
had to step aside, so he is not with us anymore.
Is there anything you want to say in terms of
wrapping up here that America needs to hear and that
would be advantageous to getting you reinstated as much as

(01:02:30):
if the relief for you has come that you're not
there because you under you saw the undermining and should
a pandemic present itself, you were clearly not being given
the tools you needed and you had your hands tied
behind your back. But assuming we could fix that aspect
and give you the tools you needed and the latitude
to execute properly to serve Americans, what is it Americans

(01:02:50):
can do to help you? And what do you want
them to know?

Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
It's not helped me. It's the things that have to
be done. Number one is accountability. The drug company's cheat,
they lied, they misrepresented data. There needs to be a
task force, a combined merger of some of the country's

(01:03:13):
top scientists who have proven themselves they can't be bought
by big pharma for any amount of money. The Harvey Resh's,
the mcculloughs, the O'Neills. These need to be merged with
a special prosecutor that can span different administrations until the

(01:03:37):
job is done and people need to start being held accountable.
And you start right at home with the FDA, the
CDC and the drug companies.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
Care enough, fair enough, doctor Hatfield, Thank you so much.
We're going to continue to follow the story, to comment
on it, to you know, hopefully to get you reinstated.
I'm not sure how you feel about that right now,
considering your previous statement. You might be enjoying the hiatus
and the and the chemtrail free skies at the moment
in South Florida for however long that will last until

(01:04:21):
the agencies that are responsible for that decide to start
flying again if they should get access to funds during
this government shutdown.

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
There, I'm still in DC giving that a last attempt. Okay,
it's not for sour grapes, it's for mister Kennedy.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
And for that we appreciate. Don't don't give up. America
is not giving up. We are still in the fight.
I know Maha is furious and they should be because
they lost one of the best. So doctor Hatfield, thank
you so much for all of your service. You know
you continue to serve and you have for a long time,
so I certainly appreciate what you've brought to the table
over the years. I yain God bless good voice. Listen, folks,

(01:05:05):
this is no joke. Yeah, this is war. You know,
we're not getting what we want out of this Department
of Justice. There's been some referrals made by D and
I Telsea Gabbard over to DOJ. We're starting to see
a slow trickle, but it's not fast enough. But it's
easy enough for the deep state to take out some
of the best players and to make sure that people

(01:05:27):
aren't getting positions filled. So while they are able to
stimy us in appointments and get people removed that are
there to do with the job of what we the
people want, which is you know, accountability, and we don't
want this poison injection being mandated or continue to be
pushed or recommended on any sort of vaccine schedule. They're
able to remove people left and right, and we can't
even get somebody over the finish line. We need to

(01:05:49):
be demanding more. We need to be demanding from Secretary
Kennedy that he reinstate doctor Stephen Hatfhil because his firing
does raise a deeper question. Who is actually governing the
health pol of America the people's representatives or is it
a permanent administrative state. Freedom of inquiry and the First
Amendment are not luxuries, folks. They're the foundation of public trust.

(01:06:12):
And until these agencies are re anchored to the Constitution,
the battle for transparency in medicine is far from over,
and doctor Hatfield is a sterling example of just how
far they will go to ensure that they are protecting
big pharma globalist corporations and looking the other way when
it comes to the safety and the better health for

(01:06:33):
we the people. Thanks so much for joining me today.
I truly appreciate your time. This was a very important broadcast.
I'm glad I was able to bring doctor Hatfield to
you today. Share this far and share this far and wide.
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So until the next time, folks, God bless and good

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